Good job driver. I’ve hauled my share of them through Atlanta. For new flatbedders, remember, you are securing the truck to the coil, not the other way around. There is no such thing as too much securement. It takes more time, but you will be grateful, when the seat to sphincter ratio hits 1000%.
Truck to the coil? I'm trying to visualize this but I can't come up with anything other than attaching the coil to the truck. Other way around would mean the truck following the coil if it falls, which doesn't make much sense
@RT-. The reason they say tying the truck to the coil because as big as that one is, if the coil decides it's going off road, the truck is going with it.
As a former overhead crane operator at a blanking facility, I have unloaded thousands of coils. This is probably the most secured coil I have ever seen. I have refused to load rejected coils on trucks where the driver had no idea what a coil rack was and just wanted to nail boards to the deck. I always thought about it as if my own family was following that truck down the road. I have seen some scary stuff and had one driver where a pallet of steel blanks over 5k lbs fell off of his trailer and he had no idea until he got to his destination.
Biggest thing I ever hauled was six bags of mulch in a yard wagon behind a riding mower. I wrecked it and I'm not joking. Sideways on a hill. Bent the hitch plate on the mower. Society doesn't want me anywhere near a tractor trailer.
The sheer density of that object is just astounding. Makes u appreciate the construction of the flatbed itself as well as a prudent, attentive, professional driver to make sure it’s fastened and secured properly. You guys are consummate pros at what u do thanks for moving Americas goods!
I've hauled countless 40K coils. I like what you did here although I have a suggestion. Brake force is typically 3 times more than acceleration force. For that I used twice the number of chains to guard against forward movement while braking. I also use nearly twice the amount of chain. 4 going underneath the bed. In addition I also use 6 straps. 4 tied to the back of the flatbed and 2 forward. Finally I put a tarp over it to reduce wind friction. Tie down time around 2 to 3 hours. These things terrified me. I made sure no matter what happened, the coil would never come loose from the trailer.
I am with you buddie.....the weight of that coil is magnified on braking.....the harder the breaking the more magnification. I to prefer the chains under the chassis...with the coil pointing north south....so not as likely to roll forward under braking If thats all the chains I had....I would one put to to stop backward travel.
Good job, like the preparation. Now, the fun part. Load checks during transit, do that first one after the first twenty miles, the coil is going to move, so your chains will need to be checked. Any slack will allow the coil to move, that's 45000 pounds moving against the restraints. Do your load checks! Your driving needs to adjust as well, that is a high center of gravity load, easy on everything, look far ahead to avoid heavy braking, turns can not be slow enough, have your speed down before entering a turn or corner, avoid braking or accelerating until out of the turn. That coil will flip the entire rig. Be safe drivers, no load is worth your life
I too carried a 25 ton coil, one of the biggest in the UK at the time, but all I had was a 40ft tandem axle coil well carrier trailer (coils were carried in a well like trench between the 2 chassis of the trailer) and 6 x 2 tractor unit. So I had no choice but to put it forward of the trailer running gear. It swayed like it was at sea, but I made sure I never went over 20mph all along the 6 mile to the delivery point. I made a mental note never to do it again.
I ran a slitter for Worthington Steel years ago and handling coils like this are no joke. Very dangerous and you better be on top of your game every minute. Be safe man.
You’re correct, nothing to joke around. Ran a 10 high roll/ mill @Thies steel in Ct many years ago Only for a short period. The slitters were pretty good guys.
I live in NWI and see these kinds of coils and Michigan trains all the time. Surprising how few people are aware of the difficulties with coils even in this area where they’re an everyday thing. For the people asking, the reason coils of this size and weight are loaded vertically is because the dangers of longitudinal forces on the coil, ie it rolling forward or backward, are much easier to manage safely than the lateral forces of a coil of its side which is more susceptible to sliding. A standing coil is more resistant to those lateral forces. It wants to roll, not slide. And preventing it from rolling can be done as this guy has shown, chocks and chains. A coil on its side wants to slide. And it’s harder to secure it in all directions to keep it from sliding. Also the chaining method for vertical coils is less likely to damage the coil under extreme tension. While coils on their side chained down if they slide will put a substantial amount of tension down on the chains which can damage the contact points on the coil. Vertical coils are just otherwise easier to manage by cranes, and most machinery that is fed coils like this will take them vertically. A horizontal coil would have to be rotated which can be very dangerous when you’re talking about rotating a 40-50k lb object.
I ran flatbed for 14 years. OTR for 8 and the rest local hauling oversized crap for oil refineries and power plants. My first two years of trucking was hauling 6 axle flatbed into Michigan everyday. I had a tandem aluminum trailer like you have there which was literally one week old when a 32,000lbs coil was about 3 inches off my bed and the chain broke dropping the coil which ripped a 3 foot hole into my deck, popped my trailer airbags and damn near threw me right off the front of the trailer. Crazy to see such force when it was only 3 inches off the deck.
You should find a way to secure it at the top. The mechanical advantage that roll has against those chains so low on the load would allow them to get snapped like a rubber band. The leverage the roll has in this config is HUGE.
"That's a negative Ghost Rider" I'll pull sticks, haul equipment, dump buckets and chip wagons but no thanks to hauling coils! Glad someone else does it!
5 friends of mine died when a cargo of coils broke loose on a ship in bad weather in German Bight. The side of the ship gave out under the weight and she sank in about 4 minutes.
I assume it's because of no easy way to load and unload it, but why wouldn't they figure out a way to haul these laying flat on their sides? That seems like a much safer way or at least have chocks that go a lot further up the side of the coils?
I’m not sure why they don’t have a trailer specifically designed to quickly load and securely hold these. They’re probably one of the most dangerous types of cargo out there. I’ve seen a chain break, and while there were several more still attached, the coil shifted slightly and easily took the whole tractor and trailer over onto its side.
I don't handle these, but I see them unloaded every day where I work. They use 50 ton cranes to unload them, and it would be very difficult to do it any other way. There's really no way to flip them around.
@@dercooney-Timber blocks elevate the coil allowing a chain or strap to be passed under & up through the doughnut hole then fasten to a hoist, I would imagine.
I know guys that have done just that to their trailers. Put a well between beams for shotgun coils at least. With suicide coils not much modifications can be made other then bigger coil racks and 6×6 timber. Of course all the chains you can beg, borrow and still.
@@AlexandarHullRichter Typically you only see those coil well trailers in the rust belt....Gary, IN, Detroit, MI, Pittsburgh, PA area. They aren't common thru out the North America. One of the neat features of them is a sliding cover versus using a tarp.
Need to tie it to trailer main beams. All those tie points you used will shear off in a panic stop or crash. Not enough chains...those securement charts are for new chains and binders, and are minimum ratings.
The pockets usually have a lower W.L.L. than the chains, that’s why with a coil over 43,000 lbs, I use 9 chains. 4 To stop forward movement, 4 to stop backward movement, and 1 in the middle to prevent both.
I use to haul these coils out of Baltimore MD when I drove for Mitchell Trucking, Emporia VA, that was a job to tie these down properly but never lost one.
It's FMCSA guidelines, derived from physics. I've never seen a coil crush a cab(I'm sure it happens, 50% load limit seems low. Equipment transport requires 100% load weight securement), but I've seen lumber go through a cab. I'd think twice being a company driver doing flatbed; I'd interview the company and watch how they secure their freight before signing employment paperwork. I'd do it as an O/O though.
I'd have doubled that, if possible. I used to do a lot of construction type work. People laughed at my securing overkill. Early on, i wasn't like that and dropped a pallet of cement bags in the middle of an intersection. After that, I NEVER dropped any part of my loads again. 😉. The thing that got to me with that pallet of bags is that I realized i could have hurt or killed someone because of my own negligence. So I i learned my lesson.
I used to haul a few of those at a time here in Michigan, had an 8 axle covered wagon, even with a coil well my butt always puckered. Good job securing it!
I worked for a private trucking Co. in St Louis, Mo. back in the 70's as a mechanic. I built racks to hold coils in place, They were small but they worked.We local delivers. None of our drivers lost a load but another co did & it uncoiled rolled down the street. No one was hurt, but it blocked the street for hours.
Ahh yes, I remember seeing the 1st crushed brick wall in Crawfordsville on 136, just past the fire dept and assembly of God church, not a great curve but enough apparently to fling it off the truck bed, there's a sign there now in memoriam. Stay safe out there.
Those things are scary dangerous and the only reason they arent transported on their flat side is they are under tension from cooling and can spontaneously "explode" which is far more dangerous and likely to happen if on their side than if the roll got loose or 'exploded' while on the rounded side.
I tried unloading a trailer where the driver failed to observe proper load securement. They were large coils of steel wire. All the steel coils came undone and the whole box trailer was a tangled mess. I walked away from that job. No idea how they unloaded the coils.
They do lay down narrow coils and even stack them with boards between them but I have never seen one wider than 12” laying down. The biggest reason is probably ease of loading and then trying to get it stood up to be able to use it without breaking the bands . If you break the bands on a coil it will unravel like a massive spring. The thicker the steel, the more tension in that spring. I had some 5/8” thick that I have broken the bands on accidentally and it is very scary.
@@hyzercreek okay, then you cut the bands on one and I’ll watch you panic while it unwinds. The steel is milled flat and then wound up on an arbor at the mill under high pressure. It wants to be flat. When it is loaded on a press for use, you have a hydraulic hold down roller than has to be engaged on the loose flap before you cut those bands so it does not unwind. On thicker materials (1/2” or 5/8”) it unwinds with such a force that it can kill you if you are in its path. I have accidentally broken the bands on many coils and they are very difficult to get wrapped back up. While I appreciate your knowledge of what is spring steel and what is cold rolled steel, I don’t think you are aware of how tight coils are wound or how tensile strength factors in.
if you look at that video you see the coil partially unrolled but the part that didn't unroll never uncoiled at all. It's not spring steel. It's sheet metal.
I put 130,000 pounds on a covered wagon for a driver headed thru TN. He wanted a few good loads before he took a vacation. On his way out the parking lot the trailer was ticking the ground on the legs. He was a badass.
Oh yeah so that’s the way to violate all the rules and laws of the road and create a dangerous trip for a driver and his truck and everyone on the road
Know some guys that haul super heavy the length of the deck. Also know of a guy that broke his trailer in Michigan doing just that. Cost him big bucks to get out of that jam.
Ive Seen One Like This Come Off A Box Truck Back in 60s It Was Within Seconds It Cane Out Through Chained Area Landed on Red Puckup I Dont Have To Tell You Outcome I Was Just A Kid Then SHOCK IS A UNDERSTATEMENT .Thank you For Doing This RIGHT
I would put one more on for me! It would go at least 6 feet rearward of the last rear chain so that the point of leverage was at 90degrees to the direction of forward role. If the sleds of the trailer rip off, the chains you have won’t stop you from becoming tomato paste.
Need one more, not so much this particular coil but a top wrap is a good habit to get into on all coils. The top wrap will help keep the bounce out of the coil causing slack in cross chains.
In Michigan with those 8 axle trailers only had a few chains on each. Your driving controls your load. Not saying you the driver can control anything but you're reaction to any action will be your control. Also most Michigan 8 axle loads are very local going 20 miles or less.
Could they load the coil sideways? so then it wouldn’t roll towards the cab but sideways off the trailer. Mind you wouldn’t want to be beside it in a car if it rolled off.
Why don't they load the coil on its side instead of standing up? Seems far safer and unloading shouldn't be any more difficult. Don't bother guessing the answer, only answer if you know.
Need a special type pick, forgot what it's called now. Not everyone has one. Besides when it's picked up and hanging in the air the inner wraps of the coil can telescope creating fubar.
@@butchs6099- If they lay it flat on a couple of timber blocks to create clearance, couldn't it be tilted back on edge before removing it from the trailer??
Would it not be worth running a couple of longer chains, securing nearer the ends of the trailer? They'd have a shallower angle so would need less tension to stop a given forward/aft load
I don't know, flat steel is more dangerous in my opinion. The coil might miss you if it comes loose, that flat steel is coming through the cab in a sudden shop.
@@johndetamore5973 it's hard to keep flat steel from sliding. I used to haul a bunch of loads to Jeffery Chain which made huge chains (like a motorcycle chain) that had links several feet long.
Beautiful. At a crappy glance (never see the rolls, only the sheets, and I’m squinting at a phone) that looks like maybe 080 or 125? Having ~300 sheets of hotroll available to laser would make me very happy
Im no expert but I would use bigger chocks and a custom insert through the center that fastens to the bed with bolts. Or lay it down flat to reduce the chance of rolling and to lower the center of gravity. Your trailer can still tip over if you have suspension failure
It would be a good idea to add chains or straps that are attached to the trailer as far away from the coil as possible. This reduces the angle between the chain and the horizontal, and thus reduces the tensile force in the chain. These would not help hold the load down, or side to side: their job would be holding the load fore/aft.
I am curious. Why has the coil to be transported on its circular side? Fixed on its flat side would be more stabilized and avoid rolling movement forces, wouldn't it?
I used to work in a port area, where coil plate, coil wire rod, log, bulk of corn, fertilizer, cement etc, is being trasported from and to port or just reposition. U ride a motorbike, between this optimus prime. A lot of them. Everytime, Final Destination is like a playback in my mind. Always keep an eye for anything dangerous.
In England we load them in trailers called coilers were you lift boards out in the centre to reveal a well which is nearly the length of a forty five foot trailer , you can get five small coils in about five ton each or you can put one large coil in 26/29 ton , we call it loading gun barrel fashion
Used to be a receiver at a stamping plant and handled coils of cold rolled like that. Our regular driver disappeared for 6 monthsm and the new guy told me that he was cut off and brake checked by a Honda on the freeway...he crushed the Civic like a beer can. Even if he could have braked hard, the headache rack was a joke and the load would have cleaned the cab off the chassis. He had to choose between his life and the other guy.
Perhaps bigger wheel chocks under the roll might help secure it further, but it looks like nothing short of a pair of carved tree trunks strapped directly to the roll will be big enough to serve as a meaningful wheel chock.
I’m not a trucker, but I’m surprised the coil chocks aren’t deeper. If you crash, that coil is still going where inertia takes it, but it might be a little more impeded.
All of our coils came lying flat on big pallets, we used up-enders to right them for production. They never came on the circumference like this…. The thought of this terrifies me. That coil is unstoppable if it even gets a tiny amount of play… it would roll through your cab…. and you without slowing down…. 😬😬😬
For good measure i'd throw wood double the height in front of the thing and some extra beams on the side and screw em into the deck and maybe 1-2 more chains to the rear, to take the breaking forces a tad better... And check after a few miles to probably retighten the chains, when that thing starts moving it's moving. Scary load on a normal trailer, there are specialized ones for those buggers around for a reason. Stay safe my man!
I’m in the heavy haul biz I do not trust a aluminum framed trailer for something that heavy with that small footprint years ago a out fit had some spread axel flats and they had them break in two on them hauling coils ! One did that on I 65 at about the 4 mile marker in Indiana they give no warning by bending they just failed ! I have a photo of it somewhere the back axel up in the air . I have the equipment to put up to 31 axels on the ground with steerable stingers .
Does no-one make a set of wedges that can be used to prevent the coils rolling? It only needs to be 1/3 the diameter of the coil and secured to the trailer bed and the coil won't move.
If the truck makes a sudden stop, the momentum of the coil would probably cause it to roll up and off the wedge like it was a jump ramp. No truck driver would want a 43,000 pound steel coil rolling through their cab.
@fredblake6135 if a wheel hits an obstacle 1/3 of its diameter high, it will stop dead. I don't remember the physics of it - it's about 40 years since I was in high school. My logic was that the coil would behave like a wheel. The weight of the coil would prevent it riding up and over the wedge.
This might be a dumb question but why don't you lay the coil on it's side? And, those anti-roll blocks you have aren't going to do doodly squat. Ideally those should go halfway up each end of the roll
Coils are by far the most dangerous thing to haul besides flameables. We had a trucker die last year in our company, because he lost control and went off the road. They were strapped down too, but when you are hauling 6 coils at 10,000 pounds each. They don't stop they go through everything.
Back in the late 60’s I rode with my grandpa to his night guard job and he snuck me on with him, It was a mill that made and stored those rolls like that. We were doing the rounds and we came to a cordoned off area of the cement floor that I seem to remember a extension ladder sticking up out of this huge square hole and I asked him what happened, he said a big roll either fell from a rack or was dropped by a overhead crane and the hole was the damaged part of the floor, and I swear it was at least 12 foot deep and I think they were cleaning it up to fill it back in
I passed this guy on I-26 I believe it was. I admired the tie down as I passed. And my mind did some mass sizing. I couldn't calculate that high in my head. Then I got the hairs standing up on my neck.
Hell's bells, and I thought it was overkill using four chains to hold a skidsteer down. I see these coils all the time on a freight train that runs to/from the steel mill in town but never realised how secure they need to be.
Good job driver. I’ve hauled my share of them through Atlanta. For new flatbedders, remember, you are securing the truck to the coil, not the other way around. There is no such thing as too much securement. It takes more time, but you will be grateful, when the seat to sphincter ratio hits 1000%.
Great comment Samuel …let’s hope the new guys see it
Truck to the coil? I'm trying to visualize this but I can't come up with anything other than attaching the coil to the truck. Other way around would mean the truck following the coil if it falls, which doesn't make much sense
@RT-. The reason they say tying the truck to the coil because as big as that one is, if the coil decides it's going off road, the truck is going with it.
That's dumb, don't say it that way. The coil is being secured to the trailer. Reality please.
@@ihm2422that is reality in their world. That didn't say you're putting the double cheese burger on the pickle slices. Stick to what you know.
As a former overhead crane operator at a blanking facility, I have unloaded thousands of coils. This is probably the most secured coil I have ever seen. I have refused to load rejected coils on trucks where the driver had no idea what a coil rack was and just wanted to nail boards to the deck. I always thought about it as if my own family was following that truck down the road. I have seen some scary stuff and had one driver where a pallet of steel blanks over 5k lbs fell off of his trailer and he had no idea until he got to his destination.
40 years ago we used wood chocks. So we could roll them to axel out ! I’m in the biz now I have the wells with the glass lids . Pull the doubles too .
I really appreciate people like you. Heavy industries needs more responsible people, at both the top and bottom.
Biggest thing I ever hauled was six bags of mulch in a yard wagon behind a riding mower. I wrecked it and I'm not joking. Sideways on a hill. Bent the hitch plate on the mower. Society doesn't want me anywhere near a tractor trailer.
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You are living dangerous my friend.
HYSTERICAL!! 😲😃😂🤣🤣👍
Your name name wouldn't happen to be Griswold would it ?? 🤣👍🏻
That is the most HONEST thing I have ever read in a TH-cam comment. Cudos Dutchy!
The sheer density of that object is just astounding. Makes u appreciate the construction of the flatbed itself as well as a prudent, attentive, professional driver to make sure it’s fastened and secured properly. You guys are consummate pros at what u do thanks for moving Americas goods!
Its the same density of your frying pan.
I've hauled countless 40K coils. I like what you did here although I have a suggestion. Brake force is typically 3 times more than acceleration force. For that I used twice the number of chains to guard against forward movement while braking. I also use nearly twice the amount of chain. 4 going underneath the bed. In addition I also use 6 straps. 4 tied to the back of the flatbed and 2 forward. Finally I put a tarp over it to reduce wind friction. Tie down time around 2 to 3 hours.
These things terrified me. I made sure no matter what happened, the coil would never come loose from the trailer.
I as well hauled a few. A guy almost needs all he can get for tie down securement. I carried about everything except a fire hose and an ax.
I am with you buddie.....the weight of that coil is magnified on braking.....the harder the breaking the more magnification.
I to prefer the chains under the chassis...with the coil pointing north south....so not as likely to roll forward under braking
If thats all the chains I had....I would one put to to stop backward travel.
3hours tie-down time? Fuck.
Same here, I hated hauling those. It only took me about 30 minutes tops though.
You are causing more “wind friction” (i assume you mean drag) with the tarp
Good job, like the preparation.
Now, the fun part.
Load checks during transit, do that first one after the first twenty miles, the coil is going to move, so your chains will need to be checked.
Any slack will allow the coil to move, that's 45000 pounds moving against the restraints.
Do your load checks!
Your driving needs to adjust as well, that is a high center of gravity load, easy on everything, look far ahead to avoid heavy braking, turns can not be slow enough, have your speed down before entering a turn or corner, avoid braking or accelerating until out of the turn.
That coil will flip the entire rig.
Be safe drivers, no load is worth your life
I too carried a 25 ton coil, one of the biggest in the UK at the time, but all I had was a 40ft tandem axle coil well carrier trailer (coils were carried in a well like trench between the 2 chassis of the trailer) and 6 x 2 tractor unit. So I had no choice but to put it forward of the trailer running gear. It swayed like it was at sea, but I made sure I never went over 20mph all along the 6 mile to the delivery point.
I made a mental note never to do it again.
And when an accident happens and physics takes over that thing is still coming off there. These should be transported in a well type short trailer.
Hell yeah it will
Used to see those small well type trailers all the time coming and going near the mills. But still in an accident that coil goes where it wants.
I ran a slitter for Worthington Steel years ago and handling coils like this are no joke.
Very dangerous and you better be on top of your game every minute.
Be safe man.
You’re correct, nothing to joke around. Ran a 10 high roll/ mill @Thies steel in Ct many years ago
Only for a short period. The slitters were pretty good guys.
You forgot to add a couple of harbor freight bungee cords too!
I live in NWI and see these kinds of coils and Michigan trains all the time. Surprising how few people are aware of the difficulties with coils even in this area where they’re an everyday thing.
For the people asking, the reason coils of this size and weight are loaded vertically is because the dangers of longitudinal forces on the coil, ie it rolling forward or backward, are much easier to manage safely than the lateral forces of a coil of its side which is more susceptible to sliding.
A standing coil is more resistant to those lateral forces. It wants to roll, not slide. And preventing it from rolling can be done as this guy has shown, chocks and chains.
A coil on its side wants to slide. And it’s harder to secure it in all directions to keep it from sliding.
Also the chaining method for vertical coils is less likely to damage the coil under extreme tension. While coils on their side chained down if they slide will put a substantial amount of tension down on the chains which can damage the contact points on the coil.
Vertical coils are just otherwise easier to manage by cranes, and most machinery that is fed coils like this will take them vertically. A horizontal coil would have to be rotated which can be very dangerous when you’re talking about rotating a 40-50k lb object.
I ran flatbed for 14 years. OTR for 8 and the rest local hauling oversized crap for oil refineries and power plants. My first two years of trucking was hauling 6 axle flatbed into Michigan everyday. I had a tandem aluminum trailer like you have there which was literally one week old when a 32,000lbs coil was about 3 inches off my bed and the chain broke dropping the coil which ripped a 3 foot hole into my deck, popped my trailer airbags and damn near threw me right off the front of the trailer. Crazy to see such force when it was only 3 inches off the deck.
Glad there’s still drivers that know how to secure a load,
Genuine question, why don’t they lay them flat? Less chance of it rolling around, just sliding.
I bet it's nigh impossible to lift them back up without tearing it up.
Slabs of granite
You should find a way to secure it at the top. The mechanical advantage that roll has against those chains so low on the load would allow them to get snapped like a rubber band.
The leverage the roll has in this config is HUGE.
Professionals only! Serious business!
Saves lives that you know what you are doing!
Thanks
thats the best tie down ive seen (mats , racks ) ... i remember arguing for mats . really your strapping the trailer to the coil .
"That's a negative Ghost Rider" I'll pull sticks, haul equipment, dump buckets and chip wagons but no thanks to hauling coils! Glad someone else does it!
5 friends of mine died when a cargo of coils broke loose on a ship in bad weather in German Bight. The side of the ship gave out under the weight and she sank in about 4 minutes.
I've lived in Weirton WV for most of my life and have seen a few of these get loose. That's why they call them a suicide load.
I remember hauling a narrow/tall coil from Indiana to Minnesota. Used every chain and strap I had. Made it safely, lots of sweating it out though!
I assume it's because of no easy way to load and unload it, but why wouldn't they figure out a way to haul these laying flat on their sides? That seems like a much safer way or at least have chocks that go a lot further up the side of the coils?
I wonder this too!
I’m not sure why they don’t have a trailer specifically designed to quickly load and securely hold these. They’re probably one of the most dangerous types of cargo out there. I’ve seen a chain break, and while there were several more still attached, the coil shifted slightly and easily took the whole tractor and trailer over onto its side.
Maybe they're too heavy to be picked up without shoving a massive fork in the hole
I don't handle these, but I see them unloaded every day where I work. They use 50 ton cranes to unload them, and it would be very difficult to do it any other way. There's really no way to flip them around.
No good way to bind them down
Why not lay coils flat, elevated on timber blocks and then chain them down ??
how are you going to pick that 20T thing back up?
@@dercooney-Timber blocks elevate the coil allowing a chain or strap to be passed under & up through the doughnut hole then fasten to a hoist, I would imagine.
@@davidgibbs381 compare with front and rear supports that go up to midline and bolt to the bed. much simpler to add and remove
There need to be special trailers for those things. That is ridiculously dangerous.
There are trailers built will coil wells...deep belly for coil to sit in.
@@heyinway well, we need to use those then. WTF do they do with them that coils need to travel on flat beds???
I know guys that have done just that to their trailers. Put a well between beams for shotgun coils at least. With suicide coils not much modifications can be made other then bigger coil racks and 6×6 timber. Of course all the chains you can beg, borrow and still.
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Some places I've been would not allow such trailers to carry coils in the well. For whatever reason is beyond me.
@@AlexandarHullRichter Typically you only see those coil well trailers in the rust belt....Gary, IN, Detroit, MI, Pittsburgh, PA area. They aren't common thru out the North America. One of the neat features of them is a sliding cover versus using a tarp.
Need to tie it to trailer main beams. All those tie points you used will shear off in a panic stop or crash. Not enough chains...those securement charts are for new chains and binders, and are minimum ratings.
The pockets usually have a lower W.L.L. than the chains, that’s why with a coil over 43,000 lbs, I use 9 chains. 4 To stop forward movement, 4 to stop backward movement, and 1 in the middle to prevent both.
My pockets and spools are 6600 j plates 7200 but chain and binders are 6600
Daaaaamn that chain down is artwork!! Well done, sir.
Responsible driver, thanks for keeping us safe on the rd.
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That is an impressive load
Most people don’t realize how much those coils of steel really weigh
I use to haul these coils out of Baltimore MD when I drove for Mitchell Trucking, Emporia VA, that was a job to tie these down properly but never lost one.
Be safe out there.
Ran 3/8 and 1/2 in. Steel coils out of Raratan river steel in NJ up to Pa over Pocono mountain with a shit box Mack with only a 5spd. Back in the 80s
I wonder how many times a cab was crushed before they figured out how many chains they needed to secure it.
It's FMCSA guidelines, derived from physics. I've never seen a coil crush a cab(I'm sure it happens, 50% load limit seems low. Equipment transport requires 100% load weight securement), but I've seen lumber go through a cab. I'd think twice being a company driver doing flatbed; I'd interview the company and watch how they secure their freight before signing employment paperwork. I'd do it as an O/O though.
I'd have doubled that, if possible. I used to do a lot of construction type work. People laughed at my securing overkill. Early on, i wasn't like that and dropped a pallet of cement bags in the middle of an intersection. After that, I NEVER dropped any part of my loads again. 😉. The thing that got to me with that pallet of bags is that I realized i could have hurt or killed someone because of my own negligence. So I i learned my lesson.
I used to haul a few of those at a time here in Michigan, had an 8 axle covered wagon, even with a coil well my butt always puckered. Good job securing it!
Do Not Let it Move! That's a big coil😮
I worked for a private trucking Co. in St Louis, Mo. back in the 70's as a mechanic. I built racks to hold coils in place, They were small but they worked.We local delivers. None of our drivers lost a load but another co did & it uncoiled rolled down the street. No one was hurt, but it blocked the street for hours.
Ahh yes, I remember seeing the 1st crushed brick wall in Crawfordsville on 136, just past the fire dept and assembly of God church, not a great curve but enough apparently to fling it off the truck bed, there's a sign there now in memoriam. Stay safe out there.
Those things are scary dangerous and the only reason they arent transported on their flat side is they are under tension from cooling and can spontaneously "explode" which is far more dangerous and likely to happen if on their side than if the roll got loose or 'exploded' while on the rounded side.
I tried unloading a trailer where the driver failed to observe proper load securement. They were large coils of steel wire. All the steel coils came undone and the whole box trailer was a tangled mess. I walked away from that job. No idea how they unloaded the coils.
Ok, I'm not a trucker so forgive me if this is a stupid question but why don't they lay that steel down so it can't roll as easy?
Good question. Mostly because the loading/unloading equipment would not be able to pick it up if the hole through the center wasn't open.
They do lay down narrow coils and even stack them with boards between them but I have never seen one wider than 12” laying down. The biggest reason is probably ease of loading and then trying to get it stood up to be able to use it without breaking the bands . If you break the bands on a coil it will unravel like a massive spring. The thicker the steel, the more tension in that spring. I had some 5/8” thick that I have broken the bands on accidentally and it is very scary.
@@kenh4848 It's sheet metal not spring steel. Spring steel is 1% manganese
@@hyzercreek okay, then you cut the bands on one and I’ll watch you panic while it unwinds. The steel is milled flat and then wound up on an arbor at the mill under high pressure. It wants to be flat. When it is loaded on a press for use, you have a hydraulic hold down roller than has to be engaged on the loose flap before you cut those bands so it does not unwind. On thicker materials (1/2” or 5/8”) it unwinds with such a force that it can kill you if you are in its path. I have accidentally broken the bands on many coils and they are very difficult to get wrapped back up. While I appreciate your knowledge of what is spring steel and what is cold rolled steel, I don’t think you are aware of how tight coils are wound or how tensile strength factors in.
if you look at that video you see the coil partially unrolled but the part that didn't unroll never uncoiled at all. It's not spring steel. It's sheet metal.
I put 130,000 pounds on a covered wagon for a driver headed thru TN. He wanted a few good loads before he took a vacation. On his way out the parking lot the trailer was ticking the ground on the legs. He was a badass.
Oh yeah so that’s the way to violate all the rules and laws of the road and create a dangerous trip for a driver and his truck and everyone on the road
@@shockingguy Paid by the weight! That wasnt even the record.
Know some guys that haul super heavy the length of the deck. Also know of a guy that broke his trailer in Michigan doing just that. Cost him big bucks to get out of that jam.
@@butchs6099 Even better it was company trucks.
Ive Seen One Like This Come Off A Box Truck Back in 60s It Was Within Seconds It Cane Out Through Chained Area Landed on Red Puckup I Dont Have To Tell You Outcome I Was Just A Kid Then SHOCK IS A UNDERSTATEMENT .Thank you For Doing This RIGHT
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I would put one more on for me!
It would go at least 6 feet rearward of the last rear chain so that the point of leverage was at 90degrees to the direction of forward role. If the sleds of the trailer rip off, the chains you have won’t stop you from becoming tomato paste.
Best flat roll steel mill in America right there in Butler, IN Steel Dynamics does the steel business right
I'm guessing that even with all these precautions you will still brakes far ahead not to create momentum?
Need one more, not so much this particular coil but a top wrap is a good habit to get into on all coils. The top wrap will help keep the bounce out of the coil causing slack in cross chains.
In Michigan with those 8 axle trailers only had a few chains on each. Your driving controls your load. Not saying you the driver can control anything but you're reaction to any action will be your control. Also most Michigan 8 axle loads are very local going 20 miles or less.
A Michigan B train
Technically the trailer is chained to the coil. Not the other way around.
Could it not be safer on its side?
I’m looking at that coil and just thinking how much momentum it’ll have if it rolls forward or backwards by even a little bit.
Thank you, truckers!
Could they load the coil sideways? so then it wouldn’t roll towards the cab but sideways off the trailer. Mind you wouldn’t want to be beside it in a car if it rolled off.
Why don't they load the coil on its side instead of standing up? Seems far safer and unloading shouldn't be any more difficult. Don't bother guessing the answer, only answer if you know.
Can’t pick it up to dangerous to flip it, that’s why they don’t do it
It would be hard to secure it that way also….
Need a special type pick, forgot what it's called now. Not everyone has one. Besides when it's picked up and hanging in the air the inner wraps of the coil can telescope creating fubar.
@@butchs6099- If they lay it flat on a couple of timber blocks to create clearance, couldn't it be tilted back on edge before removing it from the trailer??
Would it not be worth running a couple of longer chains, securing nearer the ends of the trailer? They'd have a shallower angle so would need less tension to stop a given forward/aft load
Coils are the most dangerous freight a flatbed trucker can haul I pulled my share of them be safe drives 😊
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I don't know, flat steel is more dangerous in my opinion. The coil might miss you if it comes loose, that flat steel is coming through the cab in a sudden shop.
@@Bryan-Hensley I was a flatbed over the road truck driver the biggest thing is to make sure your is properly chained to trailer
@@johndetamore5973 it's hard to keep flat steel from sliding. I used to haul a bunch of loads to Jeffery Chain which made huge chains (like a motorcycle chain) that had links several feet long.
@@Bryan-Hensley just do your best to keep load secure we had headache racks which I told is no longer a law
Low-loader springs to mind
Camden, NJ is a lot more deadly than that coil. Be careful.
Beautiful. At a crappy glance (never see the rolls, only the sheets, and I’m squinting at a phone) that looks like maybe 080 or 125? Having ~300 sheets of hotroll available to laser would make me very happy
Why? Could it have gone flat on some 6×6 planks leaving space for a crane to take it off? Sounds safer to me.
Im no expert but I would use bigger chocks and a custom insert through the center that fastens to the bed with bolts. Or lay it down flat to reduce the chance of rolling and to lower the center of gravity. Your trailer can still tip over if you have suspension failure
Dangerous af! I think you figured out how to be safe as possible tho! Good job!
Steel coils are no joke.
It would be a good idea to add chains or straps that are attached to the trailer as far away from the coil as possible. This reduces the angle between the chain and the horizontal, and thus reduces the tensile force in the chain. These would not help hold the load down, or side to side: their job would be holding the load fore/aft.
Why don't they put the roll on its end instead of its side?
I am curious. Why has the coil to be transported on its circular side? Fixed on its flat side would be more stabilized and avoid rolling movement forces, wouldn't it?
I saw one of those roll over the cab in a multi truck accident. Squashed the tractor flat killing the driver like a bug.
I think it needs special chocks / wedges . To prevent any motion , side to side , forward or backward
I used to work in a port area, where coil plate, coil wire rod, log, bulk of corn, fertilizer, cement etc, is being trasported from and to port or just reposition.
U ride a motorbike, between this optimus prime. A lot of them. Everytime, Final Destination is like a playback in my mind. Always keep an eye for anything dangerous.
Be safe put there good buddy, them cars dont have a clue
In England we load them in trailers called coilers were you lift boards out in the centre to reveal a well which is nearly the length of a forty five foot trailer , you can get five small coils in about five ton each or you can put one large coil in 26/29 ton , we call it loading gun barrel fashion
I guess there's a reson why they don't lay these things on their side?
Note, that’s multiple pounds of steel which is under tension which could clear out the street if it was released
Nice tie down! 👍👍👍
Question. Wouldn't it have been easier to carry that coil on the flat side? It wouldn't pose a rolling issue.
Shouldnt that puppy be laid sideways? To lower the CG?
If the mass was spread over more kf the flatbed area would it be different? Easier or harder?
Used to be a receiver at a stamping plant and handled coils of cold rolled like that. Our regular driver disappeared for 6 monthsm and the new guy told me that he was cut off and brake checked by a Honda on the freeway...he crushed the Civic like a beer can. Even if he could have braked hard, the headache rack was a joke and the load would have cleaned the cab off the chassis. He had to choose between his life and the other guy.
Question :
Why is it that the Coils are never loaded on their side..???
Perhaps bigger wheel chocks under the roll might help secure it further, but it looks like nothing short of a pair of carved tree trunks strapped directly to the roll will be big enough to serve as a meaningful wheel chock.
I’m not a trucker, but I’m surprised the coil chocks aren’t deeper. If you crash, that coil is still going where inertia takes it, but it might be a little more impeded.
All of our coils came lying flat on big pallets, we used up-enders to right them for production. They never came on the circumference like this…. The thought of this terrifies me. That coil is unstoppable if it even gets a tiny amount of play… it would roll through your cab…. and you without slowing down…. 😬😬😬
For good measure i'd throw wood double the height in front of the thing and some extra beams on the side and screw em into the deck and maybe 1-2 more chains to the rear, to take the breaking forces a tad better... And check after a few miles to probably retighten the chains, when that thing starts moving it's moving. Scary load on a normal trailer, there are specialized ones for those buggers around for a reason.
Stay safe my man!
I’m in the heavy haul biz I do not trust a aluminum framed trailer for something that heavy with that small footprint years ago a out fit had some spread axel flats and they had them break in two on them hauling coils ! One did that on I 65 at about the 4 mile marker in Indiana they give no warning by bending they just failed ! I have a photo of it somewhere the back axel up in the air . I have the equipment to put up to 31 axels on the ground with steerable stingers .
I heard horror stories about them things. How hard would it be to design a special trailer for hauling just them. Good job strapping it down.
Cool! What they making in Camden?
Does no-one make a set of wedges that can be used to prevent the coils rolling? It only needs to be 1/3 the diameter of the coil and secured to the trailer bed and the coil won't move.
If the truck makes a sudden stop, the momentum of the coil would probably cause it to roll up and off the wedge like it was a jump ramp. No truck driver would want a 43,000 pound steel coil rolling through their cab.
@fredblake6135 if a wheel hits an obstacle 1/3 of its diameter high, it will stop dead. I don't remember the physics of it - it's about 40 years since I was in high school. My logic was that the coil would behave like a wheel. The weight of the coil would prevent it riding up and over the wedge.
This may be a stupid question, but wouldn't it be a better option to tow that laying on its side to reduce the possibility of rolling?
Can't do that, it would unravel due to some weird vibration physics
This might be a dumb question but why don't you lay the coil on it's side? And, those anti-roll blocks you have aren't going to do doodly squat. Ideally those should go halfway up each end of the roll
Why aren’t these transported on their ‘flat’ surface?
Ah Camden, beautiful place lol
Coils are by far the most dangerous thing to haul besides flameables. We had a trucker die last year in our company, because he lost control and went off the road. They were strapped down too, but when you are hauling 6 coils at 10,000 pounds each. They don't stop they go through everything.
Flat steel is pretty dangerous too
I never got lucky enough to haul a coil...thank you Lord.
Back in the late 60’s I rode with my grandpa to his night guard job and he snuck me on with him,
It was a mill that made and stored those rolls like that.
We were doing the rounds and we came to a cordoned off area of the cement floor that I seem to remember a extension ladder sticking up out of this huge square hole and I asked him what happened, he said a big roll either fell from a rack or was dropped by a overhead crane and the hole was the damaged part of the floor, and I swear it was at least 12 foot deep and I think they were cleaning it up to fill it back in
I'd be driving like grandma the whole way
Why are these NOT laid down, again?
I passed this guy on I-26 I believe it was. I admired the tie down as I passed. And my mind did some mass sizing. I couldn't calculate that high in my head. Then I got the hairs standing up on my neck.
Hell's bells, and I thought it was overkill using four chains to hold a skidsteer down. I see these coils all the time on a freight train that runs to/from the steel mill in town but never realised how secure they need to be.
Why the heck it is not transported in cradle, like in railcars?
Just wondering why these coils are not laid on there side?, cheers.