The A12Z lacked a thunderbolt controller and is basically a A12X with the 8th GPU core being enabled. I remember knowing that Apple tried macOS on an A8X board with MacBook 12“ hardware. The 12“ ended up coming without Thunderbolt at all so that’s probably why Apple wasn‘t so strict about every Apple product released since 2011 requiring a Thunderbolt port
@user-qe5ds5vg8g that makes somehow sense... CPUs are usually done a year or maybe two earlier before release and a A5 chip in a MacBook Air would make a little sense, since the performance was a disaster anyway.
You can find pics of em on Google. They were G5 towers with Pentium 4s and ran Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. The Hackintosh scene got started when an image of Mac OS X from one of these machines leaked.
@@calorion i guess it would have, just apple had to give something out and it made more sense for them to shove a pentium 4 pc into a powermac g5 case. especially since until people leaked the version of mac os on those dev kits, the only way to run mac os on intel was with one of those transition kits due to security put on by apple
A lot of the points like thunderbolt, display, and more is a limitation of the SOC. It's just a iPad chip that was never designed for any of this. That is why, not because they did not want to, because when the chip was made they did not expect to ever do this.
Same goes with the batteries, the SOC was designed to always be connected to a large battery in an iPad to do things like background work, and I 100% bet that the iOS SOC is designed to use battery always for background tasks as they are more important incase the device is unplugged when doing tasks.
Dudes its a Developer Transition Kit which is made to compile and Test Apps on ARM architecture. It does exactly what it is supposed todo nothing more and nothing less.
Couple of questions A) Why did you have Wi-Fi off? Has Apple issued a killswitch for these? B) Does it have the same BIOS firmware (boot options, internet recovery, etc) as an Intel or ARM Mac? C) Could you install iPadOS on it?
A) more of a precaution than anything. Afaik they cannot be deactivated remotely (there isn’t a mechanism in there for it) however they could block it from being updated/restored B) firmware is closer to an arm mac, there is a recovery partition however it doesn’t function properly C) yes and no. In theory yes, In theory the early builds of macOS for it would be semi compatible with an iPad due to the inclusion of drivers and some such. However in reality it would likely be impossible due to signing and whatnot
I dont own any Apple hardware at all ( besides 3 guttet Imacs I use as displays ) but I allways love to see behind the scenes developer stuff ! Keep up the amazing work
@@flamingkillermc2806 I mean its more like a Monitor in a Apple Suit as in the motherboard is missing and such the only original parts are the displaypanel the case and the powerport at the back
Is it possible to blow the A12Z SoC off since it has 16GB RAM and slap it on a iPad Pro 4th Gen 2020 and make it the first non-M series iPad to have 16GB RAM
That'd be interesting actually but you'd have to put the NAND as well since I think they are all tied and it's a question if it would work then but if the display drivers could be ported over then you'd have a macOS iPad.
I wonder if this has that bug in early versions of Big Sur on M1, where a screensaver would play (regardless if you set it or not) and you would have to put the computer to sleep and wake it to dismiss it.
Does this phone home if you connect it to the Internet? It would really suck if Apple remote disables these as they're an extremely important piece of computing history.
Nice, we had one of those when transitioning our app from Intel to Apple’s Silicon, which of course we had to return back to Apple. I believe we had a transitioning kit for PowerPC as well.
essentially these are ipad guts in mac mini shell, which is why no thunderbolt and yes A12Z is very much like m1 this doesnt have a fan controller afaik as again its A12Z a ipad processor so yes it is janky
a. That's not happening, at least any time soon. b. The actually stable versions of the OS could be pulled from the release M1 machines c. You can download the IPSWs for this anyway.
I still have one of these. Actually booted it last night. They don’t update anymore of course as they were exclusively for Big Sur, but without a proper recovery partition it doesn’t matter anyways 😂
Apple Didn't rush theDTK. its a Dev Transition Kit and as such don't need all the fancy things of a Released Mac. Also the DTK was never considered as a Product.
I think if apple wanted apps to be optimized for apple silicon so they could run well on real M1 chips then is it not good that this one ran like shit, that means it would run so much better on the real deal? I don't know
this whole video just makes me cringe. he keeps saying it's fine then later keeps saying absurd. like what in the hell: you knew it's a development kit so ser your expectations. it doesn't have to be perfect.
The A12Z lacked a thunderbolt controller and is basically a A12X with the 8th GPU core being enabled. I remember knowing that Apple tried macOS on an A8X board with MacBook 12“ hardware. The 12“ ended up coming without Thunderbolt at all so that’s probably why Apple wasn‘t so strict about every Apple product released since 2011 requiring a Thunderbolt port
@user-qe5ds5vg8g that makes somehow sense... CPUs are usually done a year or maybe two earlier before release and a A5 chip in a MacBook Air would make a little sense, since the performance was a disaster anyway.
What I really want to see is a 2005 Intel transition kit
You can find pics of em on Google. They were G5 towers with Pentium 4s and ran Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger. The Hackintosh scene got started when an image of Mac OS X from one of these machines leaked.
That's called "A PC."
@@calorion while yes, it technically was a pc. it came in a powermac g5 case that had been modified to take a standard pc motherboard
@@windowsxpnt2347 But would a regular old PC have worked?
@@calorion i guess it would have, just apple had to give something out and it made more sense for them to shove a pentium 4 pc into a powermac g5 case. especially since until people leaked the version of mac os on those dev kits, the only way to run mac os on intel was with one of those transition kits due to security put on by apple
A lot of the points like thunderbolt, display, and more is a limitation of the SOC. It's just a iPad chip that was never designed for any of this. That is why, not because they did not want to, because when the chip was made they did not expect to ever do this.
Same goes with the batteries, the SOC was designed to always be connected to a large battery in an iPad to do things like background work, and I 100% bet that the iOS SOC is designed to use battery always for background tasks as they are more important incase the device is unplugged when doing tasks.
Dudes its a Developer Transition Kit which is made to compile and Test Apps on ARM architecture. It does exactly what it is supposed todo nothing more and nothing less.
The ipad a12z has thunderbolt.
"It's not an Apple product without Apple stickers" RIP after the iPad announcement yesterday where they removed the stickers from the packaging
It seems to me that you can ask for the sticker in the Apple store.
The 3 batteries probably die so fast because the SOC was designed to be paired with a huge lithium battery on iPad
"Rush" may be the wrong word. This was an ipad chip in a mac mini chasis, not ever intended to be a consumer product. Its neat to see the rough edges
OMG I've been waiting for a teardown ever since it released (and have been checking from time to time). THANK YOU!
Couple of questions
A) Why did you have Wi-Fi off? Has Apple issued a killswitch for these?
B) Does it have the same BIOS firmware (boot options, internet recovery, etc) as an Intel or ARM Mac?
C) Could you install iPadOS on it?
A) more of a precaution than anything. Afaik they cannot be deactivated remotely (there isn’t a mechanism in there for it) however they could block it from being updated/restored
B) firmware is closer to an arm mac, there is a recovery partition however it doesn’t function properly
C) yes and no. In theory yes, In theory the early builds of macOS for it would be semi compatible with an iPad due to the inclusion of drivers and some such. However in reality it would likely be impossible due to signing and whatnot
Cool, thanks!
I dont own any Apple hardware at all ( besides 3 guttet Imacs I use as displays ) but I allways love to see behind the scenes developer stuff ! Keep up the amazing work
That is still considered apple hardware, hardware is the looks and insides
@@flamingkillermc2806 I mean its more like a Monitor in a Apple Suit as in the motherboard is missing and such the only original parts are the displaypanel the case and the powerport at the back
Time to get some
I must say, "for all extensive purposes" had me rolling lol
It's definitely one of those phrases that has lost its literal meaning. I've heard 'for all intensive purposes' as well
I didn’t even think that these existed! Thanks for making this video!
Thanks for the video!
Firstly i thought you had like 100k Followers but „only“ 5k and then this awesome quality is great!
Keep up the great work
I would love to see the Original Developer transition kit,
Is it possible to blow the A12Z SoC off since it has 16GB RAM and slap it on a iPad Pro 4th Gen 2020 and make it the first non-M series iPad to have 16GB RAM
That'd be interesting actually but you'd have to put the NAND as well since I think they are all tied and it's a question if it would work then but if the display drivers could be ported over then you'd have a macOS iPad.
U could probably just get away with swapping the Ramchips from the SoC
I wonder if this has that bug in early versions of Big Sur on M1, where a screensaver would play (regardless if you set it or not) and you would have to put the computer to sleep and wake it to dismiss it.
Does this phone home if you connect it to the Internet? It would really suck if Apple remote disables these as they're an extremely important piece of computing history.
did you backup the operating system & firmware before updating it to big sur 11.0.1? and if so could you publish it somewhere? (google drive?)
Unfortunately, he and Apple Demo are gate keeping everything, they never share anything
@@Unkn0wnz_anon if thats the case i wonder if we could get the dtk ourselves?
Nice, we had one of those when transitioning our app from Intel to Apple’s Silicon, which of course we had to return back to Apple. I believe we had a transitioning kit for PowerPC as well.
Also, can it unlock with Touch ID keyboard? It's an M1-only feature, but maybe it could work
Unfortunately it doesn’t work with it in the slightest
Where did u get this, I want one 😂
Haha a lot of searching
bruh... why did u update it from macOS 10.16??
essentially these are ipad guts in mac mini shell, which is why no thunderbolt and yes A12Z is very much like m1 this doesnt have a fan controller afaik as again its A12Z a ipad processor so yes it is janky
It said ARM64 in terminal when you did uname -a wouldn't a dump of that build be useful for the hackintosh community to run macOS on ARM architecture?
a. That's not happening, at least any time soon.
b. The actually stable versions of the OS could be pulled from the release M1 machines
c. You can download the IPSWs for this anyway.
Does the dtk have activation lock ?
Would've been better for a 12" MacBook
I still have one of these. Actually booted it last night. They don’t update anymore of course as they were exclusively for Big Sur, but without a proper recovery partition it doesn’t matter anyways 😂
“its not an apple product without apple stickers” my apple watch series 8:
Extensive purposes not intents and purposes?
what about xcode compile time benchmark... maybe a little Unity compile test on M1... What the machine was actually meant for?
it's quite funny to see it having 16gb of memory
Wonder if you could get an Asahii Linux running on it?
It's they same shell, but they didn't put the A12Z inside it yet.
u didn't even show the Z12 chip :(
It has special thermal paste on it he wouldn't be able to replace easily if the heatsink was removed.
Apple Didn't rush theDTK. its a Dev Transition Kit and as such don't need all the fancy things of a Released Mac. Also the DTK was never considered as a Product.
Is this more rare than a Pentium 4 Mac Pro dev kit? not sure.. equally rare maybe?
the a12z is the same on my ipad pro lmao
So one of the first Apple silicon macs
you and luke miani got brand new ones and dropped videos at the same time??? he connected to wifi and logged into an apple account btw
the fact that this mac runs on an ipad pro chip is so funny to me
When will mr donglebook man return to TH-cam 😭
Will it run Ventura? Sonoma? Using OCLP, of course.
unfortunately, OCLP is x86 exclusive i think
"for all extensive purposes" 😂
I would have loved to see a 12" MacBook with an A12Z processor.
FR
Where can i get one?
I want one lol
Why? Macs suck
@@𰻝 Arm macs are great though
@@𰻝windows user😭😭😭
saying a piece of silicon is rare bro really never went to a beach
But can it run Windows? 🤔
I think if apple wanted apps to be optimized for apple silicon so they could run well on real M1 chips then is it not good that this one ran like shit, that means it would run so much better on the real deal? I don't know
i'm ur 6000th sub lol
Oh! A device without a sticker *AirPods power Blockes AirTag pen watch*
It will be amazing to see comparison Developer Transition Kit vs Windows Dev Kit 2023
Yeah it was rushed. Yeah it was limited. Yeah.. it was an iPad chip in a Mac. Of course it was limited lol
Far from the rarest Mac ever. I have Apple internal dev sample Macs lol
Rushed is the wrong word.
Just make macos avaible to the ipad and ill buy for the first time an apple product
its not rushed its a DTK and it does what its supposed todo
run Windows on it
Waiting for the face reveal
Sure... 'cause like... that totally matters in any of this.
this whole video just makes me cringe. he keeps saying it's fine then later keeps saying absurd. like what in the hell: you knew it's a development kit so ser your expectations. it doesn't have to be perfect.
Exactly, it was functional enough to be fit for purpose
no HRT or thigh highs? lame transition kit
installl linux on it
Half of those are completely wrong