When Apple Made an OS for its Enemies
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Today we're doing something I've always wanted to try - installing the same version of Apple Rhapsody OS on both a Powerbook and an Intel based laptop!
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🍎 Rhapsody OS resource: www.rhapsodyos.org/
🍎 Download Rhapsody installers at the Macintosh Garden: macintoshgarden.org/apps/rhap...
🍎 Previous Rhapsody shenanigans:
💿 Installing Rhapsody on the ThinkPad: • Apple’s Strange Rhapso...
💿 Previous Kanda install: • Installing Rhapsody OS...
💿 Installing it on a Blue and White G3 PowerMac: • Installing Rhapsody OS...
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#Apple #Rhapsody #ThinkPad - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
"I'm a Mac" "And I'm a P...C...? What have you done to me?!?"
Man I miss those ads those where the best.
"...one of us...one of us....ONE OF US"
@@scutoid-backroomsGooble Gobble, Gooble Gobble.
This really gets me thinking about an evil overlord AI origin story. We'll see if @65scribe brings back the Mac Pro (Early 2037) lore.
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.
Parts pairing with Apple has gotten so bad to the point that I thought the screen wouldn't work properly on the powerbook because it's not the screen it came with... On a 30 year old machine. I think I may just be traumatised.
I have an original set of Apple Rhapsody DR1 and DR2 CD install media. I compared my originals to the ones on Macintosh Garden, and they're not properly extracted. I have extracted mine the proper way, and have uploaded and replaced the non-working ones on Macintosh Garden today, so that the modified image won't be needed anymore. I also scanned my CDs and disks and uploaded the photos of them to show which ones were from my personal collection. Hopefully someone doesn't go back and remove mine and replace with the bad ones (it's happened before on other images I've uploaded, sadly).
that's awesome, thank you!!
That’s awesome 🎉
kudos
Coolest person I have seen on the internet today, thank you sir
I would suggest you update the text description to simply point to the Garden page, and remove your mention of DL#6 as it's irrelevant now. Probably want to go back to the other video you made and revise that text description as well, just so people don't get confused (DL#6 is a floppy disk set in the updated page). @@ActionRetro
"Apple's most Bohemian 90s operating system"...I see what you did there :)
Remember when Windows NT supported "i386", MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC?
I used to have a collection of DEC Alphas, running NT, and some BSD (I disremember which). Had them in my employers Colo rack for years.
I actually do and got to see NT running on PowerPC. I did not realize how unique that was at the time.
To make things still more interesting, let's remember IBM did manufacture a certain model of PowerBook I don't remember now off the top of my head (or maybe more than one), and that IBM being part of the Alliance that developed the PowerPC architecture, they had a relatively short-lived PowerPC Thinkpad lineup.
Didn’t IBM manufacture all the powerpc cpus for macs ?
The reason why the IBM seems to work faster on a "slower" processor is because the PPC architecture does fewer things per cycle. When appropriately optimized, programs for x86 should run far faster than on a PPC computer at similar clock speeds. The good thing about PPC is that instructions are all of similar speeds and it's cheaper to make them fast. But you just can't compare the two accurately from just clock speed.
If Apple had made OSX installable on any x86 computer when they switched architectures, they might have actually overtaken Windows in market share. Choosing OSX over Vista would have been a no brainer for a lot of people if it didn't require buying new hardware.
Maybe a few would have. But probably not enough to make the effort worthwhile.
Apple makes more on designer hardware than they do on software that's why Mac OS is now freeware on Apple hardware. The current os is a fork of Open BSD that jobs originally sold as Nextstep
Vista sucked so bad as well as ME I went back to 98 and XP and held out for the next OS.
@@bryanjensen2614 Yep, I stayed on Win2k and XP until Win 7 was released.
Keep in mind that Apple is a hardware company that invests into their own software to support hardware sales
NeXTSTEP ran on Intel so it's not surprising that Rhapsody did too. For years there were rumors that Apple had an Intel build of Mac OS X. I thought that it was kind of dumb to be a "rumor" since the OS that Apple used as the basis of OS X (and iOS, iPadOS , watchOS, tvOS, macOS) had long since been running on Intel processors. About 3 years before OS X was released as a beta I used the NeXT OS on an Intel PC while working in a call center. All of our workstations ran the NeXT OS. When OS X was released and I installed it on my iMac, I was already familiar with it having used the NeXT OS. The legacy of NeXT lives on in all of Apple's products today.
So that's why Steve Jobs said that MacOS has been living a double-life!
You should send that broken Powerbook to Louis Rossmann so he can for one time in his life repair an apple machine that is repairable and doesn't have any weird anticonsumer design choices.
I think -and don't quote me on that as I may be way off- that it makes sense that applications boot and work faster on the thinkpad as nextstep was running natively on i386 before Apple purchased Next. Rhapsody was the attempt to port the NS codebase to PPC and it was very much an alpha release for that platform at that point.
OpenStep from NeXT actually ran on (68k,) X86, PA-RISC and Sparc. And a lot of PPC work had been done before acquisition. In the early 90's NeXT on beige PC hardware was frankly wonderful. Like workstation Unix only not ugly. Needed 16M of RAM, and decent graphics. Jobs used a Thinkpad.
100k subs? Crazy, I think I subbed to you when you only had 10k and you were in a tiny room which you could only film with your hands. I knew you'd do great, your videos are always fun to watch. Congrats!
Congrats on 100k subs! Keep up the great work 👌
That's awesome Sean! I need to find out more about Rhapsody. I remember it from the day, but never dove into it. Thanks!
13:07 same issue w Mac OS X Server on a Wallstreet PDQ! Had no idea about MultiBoot. I actually fixed problem last night by installing 9.2.2 on another partition which seems to recognize the UFS partition. Good timing! Excellent video as always.
Considering you could install Mac OS X to UFS, it doesn’t surprise me that the Startup Disk utility on later Mac OSes would know to look for bootable UFS volumes.
Hell yeah, love your videos. I find all of this stuff endlessly interesting and enjoy it all. I sent my cousin one of your videos last night when he asked me what I was up to.
I swear action retro is a bigger threat to vintage computers than the 8BitGuy
how is that even possible?
@@stefaneggerAction Retro seems to kill a computer at least every other episode. Granted I realize these are old computers that are in need of maintenance but what steps does Action Retro take? There is no on camera attempt at trouble shooting or repair. Are they trashed? EWasted? Are they sent to someone else to repair? Are they chucked in a bin for parts harvesting? Some of these computers are super old and rare!
Frankly most of what AR does is careless and destructive. The majority of the new experiments harvest parts AR used to “upgrade” previous victims. What becomes of those old systems? Are they restored to their original operating status or are they just tossed in a heap of “for parts” systems? He took a perfectly working system, upgraded it for “da views” then they hey harvested for parts for more click bait.
@@Roy.Focker yeah, I don't get it either, all this strange adapters and the 10.000th OS install for no benefit. Not my fav channel but I don't know how he can destroy things in every video. Things happen, that is okay, but that is ridiculous. I guess pressure from TH-cam, time pressure and no care because he gets paid anyway is the reason. A normal person with no TH-cam money could not trash 5 computers per month.
Funny thing is I spent a lot of time and money on doing this personally, and I don't even get any content out of it. I repaired and upgraded a lot of machines that I both didn't need and wouldn't use for more than a couple months before moving on to the next project.
PowerBooks, iBooks, older generation MacBooks and MacBook Pros. I did repair them, bring them back to life rather than breaking them, but I need to gift or sell tell them to someone who's going to be taking care of them better than I could. Cause they're sitting in a stack underneath my bed right now.
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender But you can tell in a lot of videos AR is just harvesting parts and upgrades from past project to make a new video. So those old systems are essentially useless unless AR has also restored them to their stock specifications (doubt.) In some cases AR has mutilated the original, such as the black speakers on the TAM. And that's intentional destruction! Numerous other systems are less lucky when AR just brakes them and gives up.
Omg, memories of installing rhapsody I found on Hotline when my ass had no business messing about in something I didn't understand
Neat! Never knew about Rhapsody. Great stuff!
it never ceases to amaze me how many videos you release
In love with your Libretto 110CT, gorgeous machine.
The fact that Apple made an OS in spite of them truly shows that they pray for their enemies
retro never fails to give me action 🥰
I just built a new computer and panicked a little when i smelt burning electronics on first boot up. Still have not figured out what was burning ..
It was your wallet. I'm sorry.
Congrats on 100k subs! :D
~Powerbook burns a capacitor~
Action Retro: Oh well, here's another Powerbook!
This Does Not Computer: Now let's spend half the episode replacing that capacitor with parts I ordered from China 6 years ago and are just now getting here but oops, they're the wrong ones. Fortunately I ordered another set and they fit just fine. Now the machine boots!
:P
Hahaha so true
Congrats on making 100k!
The PC runs faster because the reality distortion field never made its way into Rhapsody.
Congrats on 100k
That IBM 700-series was amazing. One word comes to mind, modularity.
man, this just takes me back to a simpler time.
Cool video! What was that IDE ssd you took out of the G3?
Vintage thinkpads are such tanks - love mine
The ThinkPad clearly did not have the right graphics driver or had a much worse GPU available. That window drag test was not refresh rate related lag lol.
Early Rhapsody builds weren’t yet optimised to use full GPU acceleration, so what mattered for dragging windows around smoothly was the bus bandwidth to the GPU and raw memory and CPU speeds. It’s a similar situation with NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP which uses DisplayPostscript.
Great video. See you in SoCal!
:( It's always heartbreaking to see a computer die
I came across Rhapsody a few years ago and installed it on my Thinkpad 560. Unreal, and yes, great to show off. Confused nerds are awesome. :)
"Keep your enemies close." Whoever said this didn't have many enemies.
This show may be old, but it is golden like old music on today's sound systems. I enjoy watching stories about people using the microcomputer, an era that I missed getting at least one job.
I've never been big into Apple stuff but this is the first I've heard of Rhapsody.
I Rhapsody too! I was only were able to get Rhapsody SR2 installed on VirtualBox on my Mac, and Rhapsody OS Server on my G3 PowerMac Beige Tower (coz I don't have a small enough HDD), I used a ZULU SCSI and created 2GB partitions. I had MacOS 9 on the 40GB harddrive on IDE, it could not boot / load to this, but was able to load on the ZULU and them once loaded it could see the 40GB drive. Odd for sure, but it only took me 23 days, haha to get it installed. I love it, coz it's NeXTStep and Mac OS mixed into a nice looking and working OS!
I love those old computers , even the ibook g4 you still have the keyboard you can open n change rather than now it's the last thing you can take of when it's not attached to thhe case..
Love the look of Rhapsody
10:40 'Late breaking news' is an understatement :)
Although they may even look the same, the applications would have to be compiled for the specific cpu, or there are some code that are kind of pre linked on the fly that is probably not the case here. So you would need 2 different install sets, or sets with two sets of code.
I think you forgot to set the Thinkpad's resolution to 800x600, in order to make things video comparable.
Love your videos!
I used to use Boot magic and Partition Magic a lot because I had to run RSS in pure DOS and I was able to use Windows 95 and an extended partition and copy files from the network to the D: drive and then shut down and boot and select my DOS boot and I could copy the RSS off D: and onto C: where it had to run from.
The newer laptops that didn't have 2 serial ports and then no serial port, that was a nightmare for the people who programmed devices using DOS and 9 pin serial ports
What electric screwdriver are you using and do you recommend it?
Nice video, that sucks your PowerBook 3400c got torched. Hopefully that new replacement display still works (and hopefully wasn't the cause of the burning).
Seeing OpenStep with a Mac System UI makes me feel even older.
I was a big fan of NeXtStep and remember the excitement building behind Rhapsody while Apple seemed to be near doomed as a company.
Then Steve came back.
And we got an even better evolution of NeXStep/OpenStep/Rhapsody in OS X.
Amazing times
Are the screens using the same ICC profile? Could make a big difference in the colors.
ah yes I remember my first ram upgrade, a Tandy 486.. went from 4mb of ram to 12mb of ram.. what a day that was
(Thinkpad running Rhapsody)*(Modern Hackintosh)=1
Can you please do a follow up video of when Rhapsody became a music streaming service? When Apple moved from Rhapsody to iTunes. When Spotify became more popular than Rhapsody. Imagine Spotify being an operating system.
Triple Rhapsody!
how did you get the gig as the PC guy on the mac advertisements?
I would love to come out and see the exhibition at VCF SoCal. But, they unfortunately planned it on the same weekend of Galligrey One.
What electric screwdriver are you using?
I'd like to see you do some actual 'computing' on Rhapsody. Perhaps a little review showing off available productivity apps. Is it actually something useful at all? That kind of thing. Because you basically just show off Boink Out and a web browser each time you ever show off the OS, which I don't think sells it enough.
Rhapsody wasn’t a commercial release. There wasn’t any available software for it.
You mean there was absolutely nothing, not even a word processor that was compatible? No community ports of other software? @@tookitogo
my first desk top pc was an apple that you could switch between DOS and macOS.
I distinctly remember IBM Thinkpads with RISC processors in them. I also remember either an NT4 version that could run on them… or maybe it was an OS 2 version? Maybe one of the RISC Thinkpads would support the G3 version of Rhapsody?
I was hoping there would be a documentary section talking about the history of it.
I am currently watching this on a ThinkPad T480 running macOS Ventura.
I predicted this in The mid 90s, but I never actually heard that it’d been actualized !
Cool. So interesting what developed in the 90's. Rapsody being the evolution of Openstep and Copland. I'd love to one day try Adobe Illustrator 3 is for NeXTSTEP :D
Actually most of Copland was wiped. Maybe Apple Classic was ported, but Copland no. Core element of Copland was System Object Model. It was used in Mac OS Classic a little, but more in Copland. And Rhapsody did not inherit it. Steve came with Objective-C, and Objective-C replaced SOM.
Is the 3400c shell plsastics the same as the kanga? I have a Kanga that’s crumbling to pieces.
Ah good old action retro video
You made the mistake of comparing CPUs by clock speed alone. x86 and PPC are not gonna be a direct comparison, so the G3's 250MHz may or may not smoke the Pentium MMX 166MHz.
Hi Retro
i had no idea that apple made a os that you could install on a (PC) Ty for posting.
I was a beta tester, man this brings back memories.
I always discounted the clock speed of powerpcs by half to compare it to an x86 cpu.
Not sure if it has anything to do but the intel is a full instruction set, the G3 is RISC. Maybe the G3 is slower than the intel.
I been using Macs for about 25 years and never knew about this OS. On the surface it looks so much like MacOS. I was a fan on OS9 because of how simple it was. Yes it had issues and limitations but it got the work done for me.
"PC and Mac, with Rhapsody, live together in perfect harmony." I can just about hear Stevie Wonder and Sir Paul McCartney.
Good stuff :D.
Wait, was this your booth at the vintage computer festival in SoCal?? I saw it if it was!
Oh, you answered that at the end of the video. Awesome!
This is interesting, and thinking waaaaayyyy out of the box here. Acorn Computers (a now gone but not forgotten UK computer company which begat the ARM processor) released a machine known as the RISC PC - and one feature of this was the inclusion of not just the ARM processor, but an optional 486 card, which let the machine run Windows 95, not in emulation but natively. So, my thoughts are - could this machine be tricked into running Rhapsody? I have no idea how you’d even start on that, but if it’s possible, I guess you’d be the one to try.
Is it compatible with the Vision Pro?
I'm not surprised that a Thinkpad 7xx series outperformed the G3. The G3's bus is clocked at 50 mhz, while the 760's bus is clocked at 60 or 66 mhz. CPU can't go faster if it's waiting on I/O.
I had a Thinkpad 760E. Due to the unique case design it allowed me to carry a small handgun in the slot the floppy drive went.
Just a lift of the keypad fast access.
I tried running that on Virtual PC 7, it kinda almost worked! I found it booted up ok but then wouldn’t reboot or otherwise acted weird.
A little known fact that you would've come across if your 3400c didn't die. If you tried to launch the Mac OS compatibility environment (Blue Box), it would throw a kernel panic...no idea why, outside of something about the 603ev that Blue Box doesn't like.
What would be interesting is finding out what IBM machines could run the PowerPC version of Windows NT-because for about 5 minutes when Windows NT was first being developed, it was actually running on more than just x86 intel compatible chips.
I don't know if this eventually help them with Windows CE or with Windows on arm, but i do know thar despite my excitement when I learned about this, powerPC WindowsNT would never run on a PowerPC Macintosh.
This is not some arcane knowledge, Windows NT on PowerPC was brief, but official release. NT was also ported to other RISC platforms: Alpha & MIPS. It was developed with multiple architectures on mind from the very beginning, it actually started NOT on x86 (as an excercise basically to not being too dependent on x86 architecture).
NT on ARM is just another port in the very long lists of NT ports.
There were definitely server machines from IBM that ran Windows NT. For example, Acorn Computers rebadged two IBM models as their SchoolServer, which competed with similar solutions based on the Motorola PowerStack that could run NT or AIX, as I imagine the IBM machines also could. The November 1995 issue of Byte reviews PowerPC servers running NT.
Reminds me of when i put windows 10 on my super old imac and then played modded sims 4 somehow at 40+ fps
Looks like some of the software is CPU bound on the ThinkPad and thus runs way too fast - PPC I know less about so maybe it is wrangled better by the OS.
The IBM is "slower" and is writing onto a higher resolution display (back when that mattered) is just consistently faster than the much newer power book g3. Yeah even back then people in the know new that PowerPC was just bad.
*IBM, not Lenovo.
@@tookitogo you're right my bad lol. It's been soo long since Lenovo bought the branding my muscle memory took over.
@@tambourinedmb I mean, you watched the video. The only program the Mac loaded faster ran worse. And I'll remind you that the OS was made by apple and was therefore more optimized for their own computers
@@tambourinedmb because Power PC was a shit architecture. It was good in the beginning but it hit it's thermal limit VERY quickly over the next couple years. There's a reason even ape dumped it. Steve Jobbs himself said that PowerPC was hot garbage during a keynote before announcing Intel macs
@@tambourinedmb because PowerPC was never any good as an architecture and everyone knew it. Even apple. That's why the moment their contract expired we got Steve Jobbs himself on stage for a keynote saying that PowerPC was always a hot steaming POS before announcing Intel macs.
This may be a noob question, but how do you burn the ISO file for Rhapsody x86 on a CD? Neither windows onboard tools nor Brasero (on Linux) recognise the file system of the ISO.
have you tried dd? that's just a byte for byte copy
Hey Fiorello what a night at the opera
you should add a image browser to frog find, i cant see images in grandpas old pc, and thats the only retro search engine i know
One day Alex Hoffman 2 will rise above Alex Hoffman 1. I believe.
First team and second team, I guess. Sometimes the second team has their day.
Well at the time even Steve Jobs told developers that they should buy any Rhapsody box and develop applications.
Most people seem to think that these are the rare PPC Thinkpads running Rhapsody, but no. They are just normal X86. The driver set in the OS is simply aimed at these systems.
But what can you do with rhapsody?
well, that's a Rhap!
sody
Rhapsody DR2 includes a slightly different Quicktime video on Intel vs. PowerPC. This is the kind of late breaking news you come to this channel for!
is rhapsody BSD based?
VCF SoCal? Hey, it's in the city I grew up in. I won't post my name or childhood address though. Thanks for the mention, as I will go buy a ticket.
Do me a favor, let the VCF honchos to consider a VCF in SOFLA in the future! 👍