@@stevelee-u8y they sure do. I personally love the honey comb grills. Brings me back to my younger years with gmt400’s gmt800’s and early superduties. I have notice the front ends are either a love or hate thing. Alot of people associate the plastic honey comb look with old or cheeper trucks. Personally i think the fake plastic chrome bars look pretty darn cheep. Besides the look the headlights are really solid too. Gm needs to step up the 6.6 some how. Ram has a chance to make a 440 v8 engine to compete with ford in their hd trucks. They really need to. It would be super cool to see some good competition.
My XLT 7.3 reg cab F250 with 4.1 gears is never not hooked to a gooseneck trailer and daily tows 12-16klbs. I in no way regret switching my business from diesel trucks to gas with this engine. My back up truck is a regular cab Ram 2500 4.3 gear Hemi 6.4 and also does the job, (with only slight less grunt). I sold my cummins rams and switched to all gas. At the end of the day it was a decision based on dollar signs not what my heart wanted, and I have not looked back. Very happy with this 7.3L Godzilla engine. Now I'm waiting on the gas cummins haha
I didnt even realize 4.10’s were an option for a 7.3. This was on the lot, i was out of warranty on my 6.7 and the price was right. In a perfect world i would have not picked 3.73. But its not holding it back at all. Id just be running in 9th towing instead of 8th
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I don't remember ever seeing 4.10 either, just 3.73 and 4.30. I ended up buying a 2022 7.3 w/ 4.30 a couple of weeks ago with 5000 miles on it. It was a bit fancier than I wanted, but the price was right. We just towed about 10,000lb. We averaged about 8-8.5mpg. It was super stable. Its at the dealership now due to the head liner starting to separate and making noises.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 No 4:10 with the 7.3. Also no 4:30 with the 6.4 hemi so seems to me he has just got his gear ratios backwards for the two trucks
Nice truck. The video towing your Kubota excavator convinced me to order my new F350 Tremor with the 7.3L. I wanted the ability to hook up to my 21K gooseneck dump or 21K gooseneck flat deck once in a while and I think the 7.3L fits my needs perfectly. 90% of the time I'm not pulling anything so I didn't think a diesel was necessary. I still plan on keeping my 07 GMC 2500 classic LBZ since I only have about 67K miles on him! And yes, your STX looks great. It looks just as sweet as a Limited or Platinum. Thanks for sharing!
You are going to love it. Its a budget truck that doesnt give up anything on performance. My dad had an 07 lbz from new until it got to about 102k when he sold it in late 2013 i think it was. So iv towed with and driven a lbz a decent amount. I took my drivers test in the darn thing. I think you will be pleasantly surprised that the 7.3 wont be a turd next to your lbz and its stance being a tremor will be pretty amazing. And for sure its going to drag around your dump trailer and gooseneck. The speed limit limits my truck not its power. Tremor being 4.30 will be interesting too
@@mkeller8114 i think the front axle was a huge mistake which is why i keep harping on it hoping it will make a difference. But i use my truck probably in excess of how ford envisions the average user use it. Its for sure not a 2wd pavement princess. Literally the hub just got slow that day which prompted me to make the video. Could have been the cold, the fact we had a few hours of 40 degrees then back down to 20 degrees which can cause vapor to freeze and mess them up. All in all i hate vacuum hubs, my excursions were stupid and i replaced them right away with mile markers and never had an issue. Between my dealer being really good and me urging them to follow though ford engineers literally looked at my truck when there was those axle issues and i believe the problems are fixed and also they are regarded as real issues because of my truck. They failed pretty early because of me using my truck fairly hard. The problem reared its head earlier. Granted some problems but its a first year truck and some problems are almost expected with a redesign. (2023 re design). The thing is i wouldnt want to trade it for anything else in terms of its performance
Thats a good life span those 11-14’s got some hate but people i know who actually own them had a long life out of the engine. Your year range is an example of tune/ delete impacting durability. Those turbos were amazing if you didnt abuse them with a ton of heat and a ton of rpm. I had a buddy in texas that had an 11 and it made it to 410k last time i knew. I dont know if its still running
@@cliffh8486Ford has the best fuel filter (separator) system in the industry. If you do your service and check your filters the 6.7 is 500k to a million mile truck. Just my 2 cents. I own a 2019 and have not had one issue.
@ have you ever had issues with your intake manifold actuators? Until i was talking to a guy who had issues i didnt even realize the 6.2 boss had those like the gen 2 coyote.
@ I’m hoping that we can buy that $12000.00 Toyota IMV 0 soon, roll up windows gas or diesel manual transmission 4x4 regular cab flatbed, I showed the photos of it to my cousin and he was even interested but because of the chicken tax tariffs we can’t buy them here in 🇺🇸
@ that sounds amazing. Honestly i just love trucks. I like working on them and building them and wheeling them. But for a daily i just need something that always does the job. I see some people point out how could you like it when you had the axles replaced 10k miles ago. Its been perfect besides that and its reliability (and the fact the dealer works on it not me) lets me work on my other projects which in some ways are more capable. A all simple reliable toyota does sound interesting though. We have pretty struct crash test laws here which usually make super simple vehicles impossible to sell unfortunately. It would be nice if it panned out, the market would love it
Just install the B&W Gooseneck Turnover hitch many prefer it over the puck system and you don’t have to remove the bed to install it. It’s what I’ll be installing in mine.
Got it priced out and thats what i was going to do. Going to do it at the same time i buy a nice trailer. I have to wait it wont be right now. I want a 25k 35+5 with max ramps. I want to buy once cry once when i do it
Nice truck. I had a 2022 Ram 3500 SRW mega cab high output Cummins and did love it and have owned 3 other HD Rams with a Cummins but my 2025 GMC 2500 Denali Ultimate Duramax with IFS drives so much nicer and smoother than all those Ram’s. I love all the HD trucks and Ford is on my list for my next HD and probably a gasser which I swore to never own a gasser pick up but if I get any issues from my diesel emissions component crap and I will get the 7.3 like yours.
@@Mil-SpecWatches i do know duramaxs tend to have more emissions sensor faults than cummins and powerstroke. Cummins and powerstroke you more or less dump def in and forget it. If you havent had a 6.7 powerstroke yet it think it will really change your perspective on modern diesels. That said the 7.3 i think will really change any gas perspective you had before. Its a heck of a work engine and when you are empty its downright sporty. For giggles go test drive a 24 or 25 ford at a dealer. I think you will be extremely surprised the ride quality. I test drove a 24 l5p 2500 and made a video on it. I believe my f340 road better. But i loved that truck if money grew on trees i would have bought it.
I would love to have one of these powertrain combos but MAN I’ve heard so many bad things about them. Not just from hear-say but from a friend of mine that’s a full time ford dealer mechanic that tells me NOT TO BUY ONE. Apparently not only are they eating cam and lifters they are eating valve seats like crazy. The sad part is he says the replacement engines ford is putting in them are unchanged and doing the same thing. I just can’t take that risk and I’m not the type that trades often enough to keep a warranty because I’m not taking that depreciation hit.
@@n2091m now valve seats are a new one for me. Chassis cabs had a really bad calibration 2020-2022 and had super low idle oil pressure. Which is bad. But valve seats, dont know of that being an issue.
I would use your truck as a car, I pull 2 trailers that add up to 28k with my diesel dually. Tounge weight is over 6k on my gooseneck. I've got a half ton, but I pull a skidloader sometimes and it's a little to light duty for that. Problem is people think 60k is a good price, when 10 years ago that truck was 40k
How many miles have you put on a 40k truck and how much service has if required. I specifically avoid used trucks because 40k is way too much to pay out of warranty given the truck had probably 100-125k miles on it. But ya 28k behind mine would be a bit excessive. Drw required.
@@Tdaz250 ill go on record as saying i hate vacuum hubs and love manual hubs. I tolerate it when it works right. My 2019 never gave me an issue. I have a feeling something about this m235 wasnt done on point hub wise. Being mine literally had a manufacturing issue causing the knuckle to be over size enough to cause a vacuum leak. Id like to give the engineer who implemented the m235 a stern talking to. That is my one complaint on an otherwise stellar truck
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4I’m still watching the video and you mentioned tuning gasser chevys…would you say they are worth tuning across the board for better fuel economy? I’ve got an old 5.7 vortec I was tossing the idea of getting a “tune” for but ended up saying meh probably a waste of money now you’ve got me thinking about it again
@ needs to be 1998+ or you can do a 411 pcm swap. I tuned a friends 2000 454 2500 and it made a massive difference. Huge power and torque increase and he gained at least 2 mpg even with him driving like an idiot. I took it on a drive and got 14mpg with it. Tuning makes a huge difference when its a good tune that truly optimizes the engine. I would really like to try tuning a 350 vortec. They are a bit different with the spider injection, i havent done it. The 454 has multiport injection like an ls. I havent seen what the tables look like for a 350 vortec. And i have not personally done a 411 pcm swap either, it looks like a nightmare. I dont really love electronics. I can muddle though it but its not my favorite. Id look into blackbear for a custom tune. They may do 350 vortecs i dont actually know. Another option if you want to get a bit more extreme is doing a carb manifold swap and do a self tuning efi system that has trans control capability for the trans (not sure if you have a half ton or 3/4 ton would be 4l60e or 4l80e). Both of which should work with holley sniper and that would get you ok tunable efi and it sounds alot less miserable than a 411 pcm swap if you have a pre 98.
@@thim8009 nope. She gets changed every 5 k at the dealer with motorcraft 5-30 and motorcraft filter. I can if you guys want to see the results. I dont play games with oil, i want a steady supply of fresh oil. Its cheep
I’ve had a couple diesels, and I’ll be honest I have a 2003 v10 excursion, I put headers, throttle body, ypipe, and a 5 star tune and this thing hauls my 7600 pound camper better then a stock 7.3 powerstroke I had. Just wish the fuel economy was a little better.
The 7.3 is alot like the v10 just with alot more horsepower and better fuel economy. I have an 04 v10 excursion. I love that truck and engine. Its alot of the same but better. The v10’s torque curve was not duplicated by these modern engines until the 7.3. There is a good reason the v10 remained in medium duty trucks until 2019.
I wish Ford would have manual hubs with manual shift transfer case, I've got 285,000 miles on my 08 f350 zero problems, if it's not broke, don't try to fix it & screw it all up!!!!
@@SteveCallsen i do not have a good track record with vacuum hubs. My excursion is swapped to manual. Though iv never had any issues with electric shift transfer cases. Ford should be using an electric hub locker not vacuum. Its so stupid to rely on something as problematic as a vacuum signal.
IFS confuses me in the modern GM HDs. I truly find they ride harsher than the modern Ford 25/3500s at least. So at that point theres essentually no advantages to it.
They do really ride harsher and they have no travel and no flex. Not my favorite. I like my old school gmt400’s and 800’s because they are cheep 4wd’s. Iv broken and been party to enough broken ball joints and tie rods to not like gmifs very much
@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Totally agree ..they are too stiff. The half ton IFS are fine...at least for my uses I had good luck with mine. Frankly, all the half tons are more or less the same now front end setup wise anyway.
It would be interesting to know if the GM HDs you tried out had the standard torsion bar or the camper, or the largest torsion bar which comes with the snow plow prep. I have not had the chance to compare ride with one that had the snow plow prep but do hear comments from forums that its noticeably stiffer, more so shows up with the gas engine as the diesels weight masks it better I suspect. Ford too, if they come with the snow plow prep coil springs up front its going to stiffen up that ride. And then there is the other variable, tire size ( or put another way lack of sidewall height ) and the tire pressures being carried make a big difference as well. Oh and forgot to mention that if someone cranked their torsion bars way up on the GM, that is not going to be kind at all to the ride. Admittedly its a few years ago now so the prior GM design and the Ford equivalent at the time and both were gas crew cab short box 4x4 and in that scenario the GM rode and handled markedly better on an extreme pothole section of gravel road. However I realize too that the IFS is NOT good at articulation on extreme uneven off road trails, they suck ... there's no polite way of putting that !
@ the 24 i test drove (love it) had a gvwr of 2900 if i remember right so i think it was 10999 gvwr or there about. I dont believe it was a camper. My f350 has a 4381 lbs payload. So whatever it was my f350 had more payload by alot. I was really surprised to have better ride in my 350 given its capacity but that l5p was a nice unit. The review video is on my channel in the product reviews playlist
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 You have brought up a very good question about physical weight which gets into both the empty weight of the GM vs the Ford as well as their respective payloads. I know there is quite a marked difference in similar trimmed trucks between the two brands, simply the Ford with its all aluminum body has quite the physical weight advantage over the GM. That in itself is helping out rather well for the Ford being able to boost its payload without having to have a higher GVW then the GM. So diving into the spring rates and the GVW of the GM HD trucks ( I don't have enough information on the Ford standard front spring rate vs their plow package rate ) now one would assume the higher front spring rate of the GM torsion bars for the plow package would increase the GVW, but they do not up the the GVW, the only spec change they make is to the front axle weight rating. Since I have the information for the 3500 trucks I will list out the various torsion bar ratings for the gas engine for the crew cab short box. First off the GVW is 11550 across the board for all three torsion bar sizes, the rear axle rating is 7250. The three front torsion bar options are the standard 4800, the camper only package is rated at 5200, and finally the plow package is rated at the maximum 6000 pounds. Interestingly enough the Duramax tops out also at 6000 for the front with the largest torsion bars. Put another way, taking the gas truck setup with standard 4800 bars and then throw on an additional 1200 of stiffness to the front with the plow package, that can't help but change the ride quality. The Duramax option has built in physical weight over the gas on the front so that 6000 lb option wouldn't show up as starkly. The standard torsion bars on the front of the Duramax for the same truck configuration are 5600 lb so its only a 400 lb rating increase up to the plow package. Hopefully how I worded this explanation can be understood and also shed some light on why one GM truck may ride rougher on the front then another all based on what torsion bars it was optioned with.
@@bowtie092 i believe so. First of all a lt engine is not a ls. Many things have changed. I commend them for doing the 6.6. Improved low end torque from the 6.0 has long long been needed. Somewhat independent tests have confirmed the 7.3 out tows the 6.6. Id love to directly compare them myself but i cant afford just go buy another truck. I would love to shoot them out independently of the automakers. But besides that the 7.3 has more hp and more torque, im on a 6.6 gas group, they get pretty bad fuel economy. Sounds like guys are claiming worse with the 10 speed over their prior 6 (that could be in the tune). The 6.6 has direct injection which has alot higher failure rate, more expensive parts than mpi (multi port fuel injection). It also has issues with lspi which the 7.3 wont ever have. 6.6 oil consumption is rather high. Potentially a windage issue. Now thats just numbers and conjecture. If someone gets a crazy discount on a l8t from their employee purchase it might very well be worth it to them. Or they just like the gm truck better. I prefer solid axle over ifs in all situations. Lets just say you dont want the ford. Id buy a 6.6 gm over a 6.4 hemi (unless i was buying a powerwagon). I dont think ram issues and 6.4 issues trump direct injection or ifs unless you are specifically buying an off road truck. Thats my long answer but i think you deserve a clear answer not just i like ford better. I own all three hd truck brands. Several examples of each. They all have their issues and different years where one was better than the other. Its just a matter of sorting out the best value for each specific person and budget
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Thank you VERY much for the detailed thought out answer, Currently drive a 2024 1500 Chev RST with the 6.2 and the MAX tow with the 3.42 gears. Very happy with the power. But within the next two years looking to upgrade to an HD. Love both Gm and FORD HD but an town between the L8T and 7.3 just trying to gather info from people who own them.
@@ryans93 having things fail doesnt make you hate a truck. Especially if ford has a quick solution that actually fixes the problem that doesnt cost me any money. Iv broken alot of parts, powersteering pumps, a few transmissions and a transfercase over the years on other trucks Things happen and its great when its on warranty and im not the one footing the bill
I have no good reason why they did that. Only thing i can think of is 1) a known issue being i have been having issues with the hubs 2) lack of supply of the hubs. Frankly at this point id rather have full time hubs or manual only hubs
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I agree I've been 4 wheeling since the 70's. We would lock the hubs when a storm was coming and drive with them locked. One of the rules that we followed was both locked or unlocked never just one. Just a note for anyone checkout SSM 52423. I printed it and took it do the dealer
Only a Ford owner could brush off major repairs on a truck with only 22k on it. Ford to my grave. Ford owners expect expensive repairs. That is ridiculous to have those problems in 22k miles. An older Toyota would throw a Ford owner threw a loop. No repairs needed.
@@Bill72583 i own 4 chevys, 2 dodges and another ford. Iv been around the block on breaking things. Iv done my fair share. Iv been party to alot of broken things from all three brands. Im not going to sugar coat it for my viewers, but i wouldnt want any other truck right now. Given the work my truck does, and the environments it gets in, it holds up pretty good. I suspect both axles failed because of an emergency recovery i did for my best friend which kept him out of big trouble. It was a level of abuse rarely anyone puts on their pickup especially not a daily driver. And its not even that they failed. The hub was not working right and the rear axle had the quietest squeak you could hardly hear it. Ford jumped on it, fixed it with no questions asked. If anything i think thats commendable. Had i not loaded it the way i did, i wonder if it even would have squeezed at all. Toyota has yet to build a truck i would not break, or could do what i do. Name one Toyota with an 18k conventional hitch capacity and 4385 lbs of payload. Ill stick with my ford. Or any of the big 3’s hd pickups over a tundra and obviously a tacoma. The recovery i did which suspect may have caused the squeak to start, a Toyota could not have recovered it. It could not have yaked it and it would have needed a 12k winch, a doubler and another truck to anchor too. The toyotas driveline wouldnt have held up to the yanks and the truck isnt heavy enough to put enough force to pull even with a kinetic rope (which i think is the only way my truck could do it too)
@@SeanGiampietro well my hunting truck has a lowly 5.3 with 261k all original. My 6.0 chevy had 202 on it when i built the engine and it measured 100 percent in spec. Still had cross hatching. My v10 has 193k and runs as good as new. I dont think its too much to ask a gas engine if its well maintained to go past 200k. I love the front end, what dont you like about it?
That’s a good looking truck! The super duty’s look good and have the most powerful gas engines right now.
@@stevelee-u8y they sure do. I personally love the honey comb grills. Brings me back to my younger years with gmt400’s gmt800’s and early superduties.
I have notice the front ends are either a love or hate thing. Alot of people associate the plastic honey comb look with old or cheeper trucks. Personally i think the fake plastic chrome bars look pretty darn cheep.
Besides the look the headlights are really solid too.
Gm needs to step up the 6.6 some how. Ram has a chance to make a 440 v8 engine to compete with ford in their hd trucks. They really need to. It would be super cool to see some good competition.
My XLT 7.3 reg cab F250 with 4.1 gears is never not hooked to a gooseneck trailer and daily tows 12-16klbs. I in no way regret switching my business from diesel trucks to gas with this engine. My back up truck is a regular cab Ram 2500 4.3 gear Hemi 6.4 and also does the job, (with only slight less grunt). I sold my cummins rams and switched to all gas. At the end of the day it was a decision based on dollar signs not what my heart wanted, and I have not looked back. Very happy with this 7.3L Godzilla engine. Now I'm waiting on the gas cummins haha
I didnt even realize 4.10’s were an option for a 7.3. This was on the lot, i was out of warranty on my 6.7 and the price was right. In a perfect world i would have not picked 3.73. But its not holding it back at all. Id just be running in 9th towing instead of 8th
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I don't remember ever seeing 4.10 either, just 3.73 and 4.30. I ended up buying a 2022 7.3 w/ 4.30 a couple of weeks ago with 5000 miles on it. It was a bit fancier than I wanted, but the price was right. We just towed about 10,000lb. We averaged about 8-8.5mpg. It was super stable.
Its at the dealership now due to the head liner starting to separate and making noises.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 No 4:10 with the 7.3. Also no 4:30 with the 6.4 hemi so seems to me he has just got his gear ratios backwards for the two trucks
@ whats what i thought but its ok. The 7.3 would pair nice with 4.10’s
Nice truck. The video towing your Kubota excavator convinced me to order my new F350 Tremor with the 7.3L. I wanted the ability to hook up to my 21K gooseneck dump or 21K gooseneck flat deck once in a while and I think the 7.3L fits my needs perfectly. 90% of the time I'm not pulling anything so I didn't think a diesel was necessary. I still plan on keeping my 07 GMC 2500 classic LBZ since I only have about 67K miles on him! And yes, your STX looks great. It looks just as sweet as a Limited or Platinum. Thanks for sharing!
You are going to love it. Its a budget truck that doesnt give up anything on performance. My dad had an 07 lbz from new until it got to about 102k when he sold it in late 2013 i think it was.
So iv towed with and driven a lbz a decent amount. I took my drivers test in the darn thing.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised that the 7.3 wont be a turd next to your lbz and its stance being a tremor will be pretty amazing. And for sure its going to drag around your dump trailer and gooseneck. The speed limit limits my truck not its power.
Tremor being 4.30 will be interesting too
Wow that is quite a few problems for 22k. Although covered under warranty it just goes to show the lack of QC control these days.
@@mkeller8114 i think the front axle was a huge mistake which is why i keep harping on it hoping it will make a difference. But i use my truck probably in excess of how ford envisions the average user use it. Its for sure not a 2wd pavement princess.
Literally the hub just got slow that day which prompted me to make the video. Could have been the cold, the fact we had a few hours of 40 degrees then back down to 20 degrees which can cause vapor to freeze and mess them up.
All in all i hate vacuum hubs, my excursions were stupid and i replaced them right away with mile markers and never had an issue.
Between my dealer being really good and me urging them to follow though ford engineers literally looked at my truck when there was those axle issues and i believe the problems are fixed and also they are regarded as real issues because of my truck. They failed pretty early because of me using my truck fairly hard. The problem reared its head earlier.
Granted some problems but its a first year truck and some problems are almost expected with a redesign. (2023 re design). The thing is i wouldnt want to trade it for anything else in terms of its performance
Not worried about lifter/cam failure after warranty. In full disclosure I own a 12 6.7PSD completely stock with 300k miles
Thats a good life span those 11-14’s got some hate but people i know who actually own them had a long life out of the engine.
Your year range is an example of tune/ delete impacting durability. Those turbos were amazing if you didnt abuse them with a ton of heat and a ton of rpm.
I had a buddy in texas that had an 11 and it made it to 410k last time i knew. I dont know if its still running
not worried about a cp4? full disclosure I have a 6.2 gas with 425K
@@cliffh8486Ford has the best fuel filter (separator) system in the industry. If you do your service and check your filters the 6.7 is 500k to a million mile truck. Just my 2 cents. I own a 2019 and have not had one issue.
@ have you ever had issues with your intake manifold actuators? Until i was talking to a guy who had issues i didnt even realize the 6.2 boss had those like the gen 2 coyote.
@@cliffh8486 I used to be, but don't worry about it anymore.
I wish they’d bring back the 4x4 shifter on the floor rather than the electric switch on the dash
@@Oldtimer_Shrek i wish they would bring home a manual trans too. Talk about a dream truck. Super 60 up front, zf6, manual t case, 7.3 gas. Perfection
@ I’m hoping that we can buy that $12000.00 Toyota IMV 0 soon, roll up windows gas or diesel manual transmission 4x4 regular cab flatbed, I showed the photos of it to my cousin and he was even interested but because of the chicken tax tariffs we can’t buy them here in 🇺🇸
@ that sounds amazing. Honestly i just love trucks. I like working on them and building them and wheeling them. But for a daily i just need something that always does the job. I see some people point out how could you like it when you had the axles replaced 10k miles ago. Its been perfect besides that and its reliability (and the fact the dealer works on it not me) lets me work on my other projects which in some ways are more capable.
A all simple reliable toyota does sound interesting though. We have pretty struct crash test laws here which usually make super simple vehicles impossible to sell unfortunately. It would be nice if it panned out, the market would love it
Just got a 2025 f250 with the 6.8 so far I’m impressed
@@coltonworkman1206 i have not driven a 6.8 yet id like to see where it feels different than the 7.3. Im glad you like it
Just install the B&W Gooseneck Turnover hitch many prefer it over the puck system and you don’t have to remove the bed to install it. It’s what I’ll be installing in mine.
Got it priced out and thats what i was going to do. Going to do it at the same time i buy a nice trailer. I have to wait it wont be right now. I want a 25k 35+5 with max ramps. I want to buy once cry once when i do it
Nice truck. I had a 2022 Ram 3500 SRW mega cab high output Cummins and did love it and have owned 3 other HD Rams with a Cummins but my 2025 GMC 2500 Denali Ultimate Duramax with IFS drives so much nicer and smoother than all those Ram’s. I love all the HD trucks and Ford is on my list for my next HD and probably a gasser which I swore to never own a gasser pick up but if I get any issues from my diesel emissions component crap and I will get the 7.3 like yours.
@@Mil-SpecWatches i do know duramaxs tend to have more emissions sensor faults than cummins and powerstroke.
Cummins and powerstroke you more or less dump def in and forget it.
If you havent had a 6.7 powerstroke yet it think it will really change your perspective on modern diesels. That said the 7.3 i think will really change any gas perspective you had before. Its a heck of a work engine and when you are empty its downright sporty.
For giggles go test drive a 24 or 25 ford at a dealer. I think you will be extremely surprised the ride quality. I test drove a 24 l5p 2500 and made a video on it. I believe my f340 road better. But i loved that truck if money grew on trees i would have bought it.
you have a great truck.
@@cliffh8486 there are many like it but this one is mine lol
I would love to have one of these powertrain combos but MAN I’ve heard so many bad things about them. Not just from hear-say but from a friend of mine that’s a full time ford dealer mechanic that tells me NOT TO BUY ONE. Apparently not only are they eating cam and lifters they are eating valve seats like crazy. The sad part is he says the replacement engines ford is putting in them are unchanged and doing the same thing. I just can’t take that risk and I’m not the type that trades often enough to keep a warranty because I’m not taking that depreciation hit.
@@n2091m now valve seats are a new one for me. Chassis cabs had a really bad calibration 2020-2022 and had super low idle oil pressure. Which is bad. But valve seats, dont know of that being an issue.
I would use your truck as a car, I pull 2 trailers that add up to 28k with my diesel dually. Tounge weight is over 6k on my gooseneck. I've got a half ton, but I pull a skidloader sometimes and it's a little to light duty for that. Problem is people think 60k is a good price, when 10 years ago that truck was 40k
How many miles have you put on a 40k truck and how much service has if required. I specifically avoid used trucks because 40k is way too much to pay out of warranty given the truck had probably 100-125k miles on it.
But ya 28k behind mine would be a bit excessive. Drw required.
I’ve seen more hub problem complaints this year then ever. Actually seen people throwing on warn hubs again 😅
@@Tdaz250 ill go on record as saying i hate vacuum hubs and love manual hubs. I tolerate it when it works right. My 2019 never gave me an issue.
I have a feeling something about this m235 wasnt done on point hub wise. Being mine literally had a manufacturing issue causing the knuckle to be over size enough to cause a vacuum leak.
Id like to give the engineer who implemented the m235 a stern talking to. That is my one complaint on an otherwise stellar truck
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4I’m still watching the video and you mentioned tuning gasser chevys…would you say they are worth tuning across the board for better fuel economy? I’ve got an old 5.7 vortec I was tossing the idea of getting a “tune” for but ended up saying meh probably a waste of money now you’ve got me thinking about it again
@ needs to be 1998+ or you can do a 411 pcm swap. I tuned a friends 2000 454 2500 and it made a massive difference. Huge power and torque increase and he gained at least 2 mpg even with him driving like an idiot. I took it on a drive and got 14mpg with it.
Tuning makes a huge difference when its a good tune that truly optimizes the engine. I would really like to try tuning a 350 vortec. They are a bit different with the spider injection, i havent done it. The 454 has multiport injection like an ls.
I havent seen what the tables look like for a 350 vortec.
And i have not personally done a 411 pcm swap either, it looks like a nightmare. I dont really love electronics. I can muddle though it but its not my favorite.
Id look into blackbear for a custom tune. They may do 350 vortecs i dont actually know.
Another option if you want to get a bit more extreme is doing a carb manifold swap and do a self tuning efi system that has trans control capability for the trans (not sure if you have a half ton or 3/4 ton would be 4l60e or 4l80e). Both of which should work with holley sniper and that would get you ok tunable efi and it sounds alot less miserable than a 411 pcm swap if you have a pre 98.
Have you done any oil analysis yet.
@@thim8009 nope. She gets changed every 5 k at the dealer with motorcraft 5-30 and motorcraft filter.
I can if you guys want to see the results. I dont play games with oil, i want a steady supply of fresh oil. Its cheep
I’ve had a couple diesels, and I’ll be honest I have a 2003 v10 excursion, I put headers, throttle body, ypipe, and a 5 star tune and this thing hauls my 7600 pound camper better then a stock 7.3 powerstroke I had. Just wish the fuel economy was a little better.
The 7.3 is alot like the v10 just with alot more horsepower and better fuel economy. I have an 04 v10 excursion. I love that truck and engine. Its alot of the same but better. The v10’s torque curve was not duplicated by these modern engines until the 7.3.
There is a good reason the v10 remained in medium duty trucks until 2019.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 for sure def a very capable gas engine. After your review I might consider getting into a 7.3.
I agree. I had two 7.3 power stroke’s, an 08 v10 and now a 7.3 gas in that order and every one has been better than the last
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 The V10 although not a strong performer, it's about as reliable as an anvil.
I love ford but have always hated the vacuumed hubs
You and i both! Thanks for watching
I wish Ford would have manual hubs with manual shift transfer case, I've got 285,000 miles on my 08 f350 zero problems, if it's not broke, don't try to fix it & screw it all up!!!!
@@SteveCallsen i do not have a good track record with vacuum hubs. My excursion is swapped to manual. Though iv never had any issues with electric shift transfer cases.
Ford should be using an electric hub locker not vacuum. Its so stupid to rely on something as problematic as a vacuum signal.
IFS confuses me in the modern GM HDs. I truly find they ride harsher than the modern Ford 25/3500s at least. So at that point theres essentually no advantages to it.
They do really ride harsher and they have no travel and no flex. Not my favorite. I like my old school gmt400’s and 800’s because they are cheep 4wd’s.
Iv broken and been party to enough broken ball joints and tie rods to not like gmifs very much
@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Totally agree ..they are too stiff.
The half ton IFS are fine...at least for my uses I had good luck with mine. Frankly, all the half tons are more or less the same now front end setup wise anyway.
It would be interesting to know if the GM HDs you tried out had the standard torsion bar or the camper, or the largest torsion bar which comes with the snow plow prep. I have not had the chance to compare ride with one that had the snow plow prep but do hear comments from forums that its noticeably stiffer, more so shows up with the gas engine as the diesels weight masks it better I suspect. Ford too, if they come with the snow plow prep coil springs up front its going to stiffen up that ride. And then there is the other variable, tire size ( or put another way lack of sidewall height ) and the tire pressures being carried make a big difference as well. Oh and forgot to mention that if someone cranked their torsion bars way up on the GM, that is not going to be kind at all to the ride. Admittedly its a few years ago now so the prior GM design and the Ford equivalent at the time and both were gas crew cab short box 4x4 and in that scenario the GM rode and handled markedly better on an extreme pothole section of gravel road. However I realize too that the IFS is NOT good at articulation on extreme uneven off road trails, they suck ... there's no polite way of putting that !
@ the 24 i test drove (love it) had a gvwr of 2900 if i remember right so i think it was 10999 gvwr or there about. I dont believe it was a camper.
My f350 has a 4381 lbs payload. So whatever it was my f350 had more payload by alot. I was really surprised to have better ride in my 350 given its capacity but that l5p was a nice unit. The review video is on my channel in the product reviews playlist
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 You have brought up a very good question about physical weight which gets into both the empty weight of the GM vs the Ford as well as their respective payloads. I know there is quite a marked difference in similar trimmed trucks between the two brands, simply the Ford with its all aluminum body has quite the physical weight advantage over the GM. That in itself is helping out rather well for the Ford being able to boost its payload without having to have a higher GVW then the GM.
So diving into the spring rates and the GVW of the GM HD trucks ( I don't have enough information on the Ford standard front spring rate vs their plow package rate ) now one would assume the higher front spring rate of the GM torsion bars for the plow package would increase the GVW, but they do not up the the GVW, the only spec change they make is to the front axle weight rating. Since I have the information for the 3500 trucks I will list out the various torsion bar ratings for the gas engine for the crew cab short box. First off the GVW is 11550 across the board for all three torsion bar sizes, the rear axle rating is 7250. The three front torsion bar options are the standard 4800, the camper only package is rated at 5200, and finally the plow package is rated at the maximum 6000 pounds. Interestingly enough the Duramax tops out also at 6000 for the front with the largest torsion bars. Put another way, taking the gas truck setup with standard 4800 bars and then throw on an additional 1200 of stiffness to the front with the plow package, that can't help but change the ride quality. The Duramax option has built in physical weight over the gas on the front so that 6000 lb option wouldn't show up as starkly. The standard torsion bars on the front of the Duramax for the same truck configuration are 5600 lb so its only a 400 lb rating increase up to the plow package. Hopefully how I worded this explanation can be understood and also shed some light on why one GM truck may ride rougher on the front then another all based on what torsion bars it was optioned with.
Do you think the 7.3 is superior to the L8T GAS? if so why?
@@bowtie092 i believe so. First of all a lt engine is not a ls. Many things have changed. I commend them for doing the 6.6. Improved low end torque from the 6.0 has long long been needed.
Somewhat independent tests have confirmed the 7.3 out tows the 6.6. Id love to directly compare them myself but i cant afford just go buy another truck. I would love to shoot them out independently of the automakers.
But besides that the 7.3 has more hp and more torque, im on a 6.6 gas group, they get pretty bad fuel economy. Sounds like guys are claiming worse with the 10 speed over their prior 6 (that could be in the tune).
The 6.6 has direct injection which has alot higher failure rate, more expensive parts than mpi (multi port fuel injection). It also has issues with lspi which the 7.3 wont ever have. 6.6 oil consumption is rather high. Potentially a windage issue.
Now thats just numbers and conjecture. If someone gets a crazy discount on a l8t from their employee purchase it might very well be worth it to them. Or they just like the gm truck better. I prefer solid axle over ifs in all situations.
Lets just say you dont want the ford. Id buy a 6.6 gm over a 6.4 hemi (unless i was buying a powerwagon). I dont think ram issues and 6.4 issues trump direct injection or ifs unless you are specifically buying an off road truck.
Thats my long answer but i think you deserve a clear answer not just i like ford better.
I own all three hd truck brands. Several examples of each. They all have their issues and different years where one was better than the other. Its just a matter of sorting out the best value for each specific person and budget
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Thank you VERY much for the detailed thought out answer, Currently drive a 2024 1500 Chev RST with the 6.2 and the MAX tow with the 3.42 gears. Very happy with the power. But within the next two years looking to upgrade to an HD. Love both Gm and FORD HD but an town between the L8T and 7.3 just trying to gather info from people who own them.
lol great truck…. I love it… multiple major failures, let me tell you all about them.
@@ryans93 having things fail doesnt make you hate a truck. Especially if ford has a quick solution that actually fixes the problem that doesnt cost me any money.
Iv broken alot of parts, powersteering pumps, a few transmissions and a transfercase over the years on other trucks Things happen and its great when its on warranty and im not the one footing the bill
My 2024 only came with driver side locking hub other side is fake. I complained and they are putting a real one on with all new vacuum lines
I have no good reason why they did that. Only thing i can think of is 1) a known issue being i have been having issues with the hubs 2) lack of supply of the hubs.
Frankly at this point id rather have full time hubs or manual only hubs
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I agree I've been 4 wheeling since the 70's. We would lock the hubs when a storm was coming and drive with them locked. One of the rules that we followed was both locked or unlocked never just one. Just a note for anyone checkout SSM 52423. I printed it and took it do the dealer
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 cost cutting.
did you have to pay for it?
@@larrygreca-ny1qf its a recall you shouldnt need to pay anything
Only a Ford owner could brush off major repairs on a truck with only 22k on it. Ford to my grave. Ford owners expect expensive repairs. That is ridiculous to have those problems in 22k miles. An older Toyota would throw a Ford owner threw a loop. No repairs needed.
@@Bill72583 i own 4 chevys, 2 dodges and another ford. Iv been around the block on breaking things. Iv done my fair share. Iv been party to alot of broken things from all three brands. Im not going to sugar coat it for my viewers, but i wouldnt want any other truck right now.
Given the work my truck does, and the environments it gets in, it holds up pretty good.
I suspect both axles failed because of an emergency recovery i did for my best friend which kept him out of big trouble. It was a level of abuse rarely anyone puts on their pickup especially not a daily driver. And its not even that they failed. The hub was not working right and the rear axle had the quietest squeak you could hardly hear it. Ford jumped on it, fixed it with no questions asked. If anything i think thats commendable.
Had i not loaded it the way i did, i wonder if it even would have squeezed at all.
Toyota has yet to build a truck i would not break, or could do what i do. Name one Toyota with an 18k conventional hitch capacity and 4385 lbs of payload. Ill stick with my ford. Or any of the big 3’s hd pickups over a tundra and obviously a tacoma.
The recovery i did which suspect may have caused the squeak to start, a Toyota could not have recovered it. It could not have yaked it and it would have needed a 12k winch, a doubler and another truck to anchor too. The toyotas driveline wouldnt have held up to the yanks and the truck isnt heavy enough to put enough force to pull even with a kinetic rope (which i think is the only way my truck could do it too)
Too bad the fronts about as ugly as it gets. At 200k, if takes it that long, it’s done. Diesel after 200k is the only discussion.
@@SeanGiampietro well my hunting truck has a lowly 5.3 with 261k all original. My 6.0 chevy had 202 on it when i built the engine and it measured 100 percent in spec. Still had cross hatching. My v10 has 193k and runs as good as new. I dont think its too much to ask a gas engine if its well maintained to go past 200k.
I love the front end, what dont you like about it?
I personally feel they have the best looking front end. The GMC is pretty good looking too. Chevy is the worst looking one.
@@Snowman119 agreed...