You forgot one of Robin's non comba utility: the broken Rally Spectrum skill His class is the only one who can learn it, that makes him an amazing unit by just standing there
Seth's growths make sense to me because he was wounded very early on in the game, so his levels are him just regaining his strength. He was the best knight in the realm and he's still in his prime. He wasn't permanently crippled and he isn't some old soldier trying to keep up with the younger generation. He was really done right.
I played blind and didn't know there was a second generation or that Sigurd died and I was so mad. Like is that Sword that gives him 20 RES a joke to you?
Something I don't think (or at least don't see) people do often is point out how nice your calmness is. So many people focus on hype, especially on "Top 5/10/15/etc" lists. It's nice to hear a list like this but the person isn't acting all excited about stuff like "this ability is RIDICULOUS" and stuff like that. So not only your voice, but also your word choice. It's super nice in general, but also refreshing on youtube.
I agree, Mekkkah just seems like a beautiful person and by acting as his youtuber self I doubt he'd succeed in annoying me even slightly. Challenge proposed btw.
For good reason too. More experience to make a unit usable is always worse than less. So, even if the trainee units can become amazing, they're objectively worse than a unit already good. That's just how it goes. Nothing about FE8 is hard, and no one needs Max stats on any character to be good in any part of that game. That's why TH-camrs like Mekkah don't like units like Amelia being given such high praise by people who turtle so hard, they'd lose a race to a turtle. I'm on that thought process as well. I've used the trainees and they're fun, and I wouldn't deride anyone who finds them fun. Folks can have their opinions and there's nothing wrong with that... If their opinions don't ignore facts. Which most people do.
Seth is perfect. He is capable of slim lancing his way alone through the entire game on any difficulty regardless of growths. Even when carrying the lord.
Yes, Seth is perfect in his game, but perfect in FE4 means killing the boss and seizing within a few turns, while perfect in FE13 is solo boss-killing or solo routing (with almost any weapon, skill, or class in the game) for the map clear. I think Mekkah determined the metrics for relative perfection rather well in his summation.
Amelia is still better than units like arden"you can give me a pursuit ring, leg ring 3 different stats ring, and i will still be far worse than lex" or " i need to deal whit a transformation gauge and i am locked in 1 range in the game whit crossbows and 1-2 sword, but when i am transformed i kill wywern knighys in 20 hits in my join chapter" lyre.
Matthis I think is worse. At least Amelia can become good. Matthis has bad bases, bad growths, comes at a time where you have 3 better mounted units and will get 3 better ones shortly after, and will be outclassed by literally every other cavalier even if you 20/20 them. It's actively encouraged to just kill him off to speed up the game, and to avoid hurting your tactics ranking. Worse than Fiona imo
15 years ago my older brothers told me that your starting Paladin was ALWAYS bad. I watch this list and see Titania, Marcus, and Seth and my mind was blown. I’m never trusting their gaming advice again.
Reminds me of my brothers in fighting games. "Imagine using Marth and "braindead" disjoint characters." Cue the part where them playing rushdown characters or grapplers that go offensive way too predictably and unsafely doesn't matter about their point
To be fair, these are the "Oifey" archetype - not Jeigan, as in they are expected to be able to keep up well into the midgame if not later with their growths. To be harsh, the OG Jeigan is actually pretty great because stat boosters in FE1 are busted and he can slam most enemies with basic weapons for quite a while, and when he starts to fail at doubling you get a +6 speed speedring, or bust out the silver lance which he pretty much has exclusive access to in the early game, or just finish them off with Marth who draws aggro in FE1 and needs training anyways for the Medeus fight. He needs less investment than the other cavs in terms of time if you're going for that and can do surprisingly well for himself. FE6 Marcus, another "Jeigan" archetype, being now 20 years older than his FE7 appearance, is statwise pretty terrible, but his mere existence makes the hard mode earlygame go from borderline impossible to reliable. Zealot, another early game paladin you recruit a bit later, is slightly better, but barely and in a stage of the game where you don't really need the crutch that is Marcus anymore, to say less of another one. Sure, Percival owns them in stats, but Percival isn't there for half the game so he's not really relevant aside from also being better than either of your starting cavs even when you leveled them up in hard mode, which means that using Marcus over said cavs in the earlygame isn't even all that punishing.
Yo Mekkah I first remember you from the glory days of Netbattle, and Smogon's mentor program. You'd been assigned to me and I was a dumb 15 year old who didn't know what he even wanted. I don't think that lasted more than one chat, haha. Was weird to find out you'd become a Fire Emblem youtuber over a decade later, but I love this channel's content so hey. You've earned this 15k!
This was a pretty good list but I disagree that Radd Quetz wasn’t on the list. Because I have an opinion that’s different from yours I have no choice but to give this video my lowest rating yet, 9/5 stars, it was Very Seth. In all seriousness congrats on the (as of now) 18K subs. Before you know it you’ll be working on a 20,000 subscriber special and it’ll probably jump up to 30,000 subscribers.
Putting Haar on this list is probably the most accurate thing I have ever seen. My Sister, Brother, and I all started FE10 at the same time, a week or so later we was all talking about the way the units are so much more powerful in FE10 compared to FE9, and we all brought up Haar as this immortal killing machine lol.
@@super1-up738 no when he says 4 alts he means 4 alts (Ny!Camilla Spring!Camilla Summer!Camilla Adrift Camilla normal Camilla) (Lyn LA!Lyn L!Lyn Bride!Lyn Brave!Lyn) (Azura P!Azura L!Azura Ny!Azura and and i think Azura also has another alt but cant remember) Edit:I looked up in the Internet there is also an Young Azura alt which imo has the best art
I can't believe how wrong this so called "top 15" list is, you didn't even include Forde or Rebecca. Clearly you haven't played Sacred Stones or Blazing Sword. 0/10
@@scottkelly156 there's only one utility in Rebecca... Her Fire Affinity to Support other characters, and 2 Fire Supports XD, the damage that she can deal is worth the price (A or B supports with Dart and Lowen, and a few not RNG Fucked stats). I would like her more if she could promote to Nomad Trooper or something different than the fucking Sniper (for some reason, I finished hating they)
Just for fun I'll make some predictions before watching. In no particular order Jagen Titania Seth Frederick Saber Sigurd Isadora Jill Ronan Caeda Finn/thracia jagen Haar Haar Marcus Marcus Edit: I grossly underestimated Mekkah's affinity for not playing maps i.e warping Kappa.
I'm very happy to see staff utility make it onto the list. I think healers are quite underrated in most of the games (except Radiant Dawn because of how amazing the healing items are)
Ah, Mekkah. I remember the Binding Blade playthrough we had together with a bunch of others on #purelimit. We each played in turn a chapter with no reset allowed if someone died. Desert chapter got the best of us if I remember well and I believe we were all using Wolt just to spite you (or at least I was). :) You made a pretty big thing out of your love for FE now, congrats on your success!
Top Cut was an amazing PTCG channel. I have rewatched those videos so much. Pretty sad Pooka stopped making videos but seeing him move on to commentate worlds is still pretty insane!
what I always like of mekkkah is how he use creative thinking in his strategies and in his countdown. i probably woud go in a different way, but that's why we love this channel. kudos on your 19k subs. would you do a top 15 worst units too at 30k?
merry 15k (18k now) mekkkqqah! ur probably the best fe youtuber alive rn because of your extreme calmness and supreme intelligence. i pray for the day you're released from your dungeon
I'm the farthest from a "hardcore elitist" person. I don't LTC at all, feed xp to weak units like thieves, and I arena abuse. But holy hell, I love your content, Mekkah. I enjoy the Amelia/Nino memes and such. I've learned how important Jagens are and how good mov is as a stat. I decided to actually care about bases and all that. You know, if Mekkah has a religion, I'd like to know how to join it. I probably won't stop being a casual, but now I can laugh even harder at whatever Mangs does
Robin and Morgan carried my team in Apotheosis, they indeed are broken as shit. But then Awakening as a whole is broken. Nice list, I don't know squat from behind FE6, but I more than respect your authority in this series! Congrats on 15, 16, 17, 18k subscribers! You deserve your success!
I haven't played all of the Fire emblem games but I picked up Awakening this Christmas break. I didn't know Robin was so strong and this video really showed me what units are good in most Fire emblem games. I really love these videos and congrats on the 15k, well 18k but it's a top 15. Keep it up!
Congrats on 18.000. Been subbed since the very very very early days. It's been outstanding to see the growth of this channel within the last year. You absolutely deserve it.
Congrats on getting so many subscribers! I just subscribed today. I don't get to watch playthroughs too often, but I've enjoyed your appearances on Mangs' channel. You two are a lot of fun. I mostly pick my favorite characters based off of their story and/or personality, but their viability is important too.
Robin is the reason I can't play Awakening anymore. The only gameplay method that makes any sense to me involves soloing entire maps with them. Anything else is sandbagging. Only a few units can ever keep up. Avatar's children, Panne... I think the only other viable units use Rescue staff. This is how every single Awakening Lunatic playthrough became for me after a while. Even after putting it down for a few years, I remembered how to get Robin to Galeforce before Lucina arrived, but Robin stops taking damage long before that (Ch. 7, I think?). Awakening is one of the most broken FE games ever made.
@Mekkah, I somehow turned Silque into a tank in Echoes by giving her a Dracoshield. Also using the Echoes portrait isn't a bad thing, they are the same character after all.
Number 1 seems about right, Vengeance Vantage was pretty popular for good reasons. I took some time learning this stuff back in the day, but you can easily use Limitbreaker, Armsthrift Vengeance Vantage and Sol for some cancerous tactics. On top of this, we can just throw on a forged brave tome and we've got a tank with good mix phase and a 1-2range Brave weapon that never breaks. If you want to go beyond this you can try the sorcerer class and use Mire(which I believe is what we call a siege tome?). To end off, The logbook can be used to buy other robins, so technically you could make your own Robin, grind to chapter 18 get the books, save to log book and create an army of robins. On top of this, you can mix max bane/boon for certain classes making Him/Her probably the most broken character in all of FE.
My top: 1.-gwendollyn Wow, i don't even know where i should start, gwen joins at level 1, meaning she has 19 levels to grow + 20 from her promotion, she has great growths, granting her at least +1 in any stat for level, she has very decent bases for her joining chapters, you should gave her boots, so she can have a massive 6 movement 2.-amelia Amelia has really good potential, you can grind her in the tower, killing every monster, when you are promoting her, you should go for general 3.-arden Arden is one of the best unit from fe4, he has a great defense growth, you can even solo the game with him, sign of how good this unit 4.-camilla She has very big BOOBS base and growth, best fates unit 5.-cath Thiefs are always rated good, cath isn't the exeption, she can open locked dors and chsts, she will dodge everything and cannot be one shoted in any way, practically inmortal 6.-lyn Lyn is a great unit, she has one of the highest skills on the game, she can double and dodge everything, and she is a lord, best unit from fe7 7.-rebecca Rebecca is really good, you should give her every kill and then your first orion's bolt, she will one round every flier in the entire game 8.-merlinus Merlinus is a beast, his high con. Allows him to wield anything without beign doubled, his high skill helps him taking even myrmidons, he doesn't make any further cause he can't attack 9.-gordin Gordin is great because of his abilavilty and bases, being able to one shot every enemy in his recruitment chapter 10.-marty Marty has a very hight strenght, he overkills everything, and even more things like myrmidons and almost every sword users
I actually just finished up my first playthrough of New Mystery of the emblem yesterday on hard and OMG Palla is just so good. She's over-leveled and over-statted when you get her and she just gets better.
I was pretty surprised that you put Silque above Safy but your arguments make total sense. Love your stuff man, big fan. Looking forward to the 20K special.
No horse for the first 20 levels and he face competion from oifey early and the other, more optimized children late, while every gen 1 unit has either worse combat than sigurd or is on foot. In run whit subs or non optimized kids he is god, but in run whit good children they catch up whit him.
Seliph cant be higher than Sigurd because he gets more help than him. Even if he has better stats, Gen 2 children almost always become very strong and reliable, and if you don't use them and use substitutes instead, you still get units like Ares who join no matter what and can be very helpful to Seliph. Sigurd doesn't have a unit like that until Chapter 4 and 5 if you aren't playing slow.
Seliph isn't as high because relative to the supporting cast he isn't as broken as sigurd. Gen 1 has very few broken units while about half of gen 2 is
So guys, we did it. We've reached a quarter of Mang's sub count. 15,000 subscribers and still growing. The fact that we've reached this number in such a short amount of time is just phenomenal...
How? He is one of the most customizable gen 2 units given that his dad kills everything in his part of the game Probably the only true bearer of the word mage killer with his glowing metal stick
@@thewindysage1538 I haven't played FE4 so I'm mostly an outsider here, but a fair amount of dialogue I see online is that he needs a lot of investment to become a copy of his dad. However even with my lack of experience I think this is stupid because child units in any FE game that includes them are bonkers. The level of customization and benefits they get are insane and the fact they're mandatory in FE4 and that everything starts over from scratch gives them an ample amount of time to grind and shine.
Seliph is a strange unit. He can be a physical monster thanks to his dad but his mom makes him a pseudo mage. I think he is under rated because if you don't paragon ring him, he takes a while to get going. Meanwhile you can have lakche who can also inherit the knight and leg ring plus a hero sword with crit. You also get units like sety who can murder armies with holsety and has a speed is literally too high for the game to handle. Its easy to under rate him because half the units in gen 2 are kind of broken
The thing about seliph is that he is the seize lord in the biggest maps in the franchise Making him a 12 move Knight lord is not really about combat but about sanity Not every map is linear and when you have to backtrack it hurts Lakche can inherit paragon through lex so it's not really necessary at all times to invest in her but it really comes down to preference Leif for example despite appearing a chapter later is probably a better candidate for investment as if you play your cards right by the time he can get the paragon ring it's old user should be near level 20 and he gets a horse upon promotion to master Knight and basically all of the weapon ranks enabling him to keep up with horse emblem 4 Sety actually can be serviceable unit with just his lighting time and Arthur comes 2.5 chapters earlier than him and gets a mount I could go on and on about how fe4 is the only Fe where I get like this because you need that movement It's really up to play style but I wouldn't call myself a speedruner You can do whatever you want but this is about the time it takes to go from castle to castle,his combat is a nice bonus
It's really up about how you play to whom you invest but seliph is a constant He always has to seize Meanwhile you can play the game without lakche or sety without much penalty
From the FE games I've played I agree with all the inclusions, though I found Jill helping in the dawn brigade to overall be more helpful than haar personally, though that could just be me prejudiced against the dawn brigade part of the game. I probably would have filled in the blanks from the games I havn't played (in no particular order) by including Ephraim, Frederick, Corrin, and Ike. Mostly gathered near the bottom. Honorable mentions for Florina and Kent/Sain (Lyn mode gains, stat boosters to Florina and Knight seal to Sain/Kent, whichever got the better level ups).
I'm just going to start out by saying that this was a great video and that I agree with most of what you said. However, I'm curious as to why you didn't put Sirius on this list. While not having quite as good availability as Seth, his bases are basically on par and his growths are better where they count. He's also at least on par with Palla in FE12 imo as he doesn't require a master seal to increase movement for max utility. Then there's RD Jill who I have seen at her worst (never got strength lvl up). In my recent RD playthrough she was always just short of something required for a kill (much like our old pal Forde). All I can say is that Sirius has amazing bases that will earn you easy wins in the early game if you choose, great growth rates, almost maxed out weapon ranks for both swords and lances, and is recruited in only chapter 4; so I personally believe he deserves to be mentioned whenever talking about "best units". Again, great video and I respect your opinion.
Siruis is not that great as a unit, yes he is a prepromote with good bases and can use lances and swords, but, in Lunatic/Lunatic reverse he is less useful most of the time, his speed growth is very low and your best option to increase that is reclass to swordmaster making less damage, and as a prepromote he doesn't have the bonus for promoting, this is more my personal experience using him in Lunatic reverse.
Sup Mekkah I remember seeing a Mekkkah on Smogon and practising in PTCG with him to prepare for tournaments. I did not expect to see you doing Fire Emblem but im glad stuff worked out! Here is to 15k more subs! Greetings from an old TCG pal
I remember that one you made ages ago on Serenes Forest. I still have to see the video, but of course Palla is number one, right? P.S. Oh you talked about that tier list two minutes into the video, literally, lol.
I'm going to make some predictions before watching the video (in no particular order) sigurd, seth, FE7 marcus, Kris, Robin, fe12 palla, fe9 titania, FE10 Haar, Pent maybe? don't know who else to put here. maybe milady or percival and one or two dancers? I think you would put someone from fates on the list if you had played all the way through one of the paths at least EDIT: huh, i was mostly right. I would add that female robin is better not so much because of S supporting chrom but more because of her access to the dark flier class and galeforce. I would also make the argument that male kris is better than female kris due to having more classes available when reclassing and having a better starting class selection overall barring pegasus knight.
My guesses were that this list would be just Staff users, Flieers and Jeigans. Counting Robin and Kris both as fliers since those are their best options I've got a nice 14/15 there. Only Seliph escapes.
Hey everyone, sorry this took so long to make but I hope it was worth it.
im confused, why does it say that this video was uploaded in january? (good video btw :D)
@@damiendristig2263 it isnt january?
@@Valko33 in the description it says "published january 17th".
EDIT: oh wait missread nevermind
You forgot one of Robin's non comba utility: the broken Rally Spectrum skill
His class is the only one who can learn it, that makes him an amazing unit by just standing there
Mekkkah This really should have been top 15 Best Units, not characters, they are not the same thing
Sigurd is pretty good, but he's probably the biggest example of a Jagen in the series. After all, he drops off really hard halfway through the game.
This is an amazing comment
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I'm going to hell for laughing
That's a hot take
It not his faukt if arvis is an unfair boss that can orko a lot of people
"Please recruit the like button by turning it blue."
But it was grey before. Doesn't that mean I danced for it?
This is a big brain comment
Are we human? Or are we a Fire Emblem dancer?
@@PoorStargazer yes
Do you play an instrument?
Is mayonnaise an instrument?
Seth's growths make sense to me because he was wounded very early on in the game, so his levels are him just regaining his strength. He was the best knight in the realm and he's still in his prime. He wasn't permanently crippled and he isn't some old soldier trying to keep up with the younger generation. He was really done right.
That's a nice take
It’s funny that if you completely min max his apprentice franz he can surpass Seth is some stats but still will likely have less resistance
How to please Mekkah:
-Mounted
-Have 1-2 range
-Recruited early on
-Canto
-Utilities
-Be bald
Marcus aint bald
B U T B I S H O P
You forgot "Can skip chapters without playing the game"
Number 0 spot would go a a wyvern with a warp staff lol
@@amiablereaper Sigurd + Wyvern + FE5 Staffs (Thief and Warp) + Pair Up
If Sigurd was a mage killer, he'd have perfect availability.
@Chris take the L He learned the ways from his son in order to make up for his initial failure.
I played blind and didn't know there was a second generation or that Sigurd died and I was so mad. Like is that Sword that gives him 20 RES a joke to you?
oof
Underrated comment
jus- shut up
Something I don't think (or at least don't see) people do often is point out how nice your calmness is. So many people focus on hype, especially on "Top 5/10/15/etc" lists. It's nice to hear a list like this but the person isn't acting all excited about stuff like "this ability is RIDICULOUS" and stuff like that. So not only your voice, but also your word choice. It's super nice in general, but also refreshing on youtube.
nice
Why Mekkah is nice in general
I have to agree with this. It's one of my favorite things about Mekkkah.
Mekkkah's calmness base is RIDICULOUS
I agree, Mekkkah just seems like a beautiful person and by acting as his youtuber self I doubt he'd succeed in annoying me even slightly. Challenge proposed btw.
No grinding isnt fair, it means amelia cant be on the list
For good reason too. More experience to make a unit usable is always worse than less. So, even if the trainee units can become amazing, they're objectively worse than a unit already good. That's just how it goes. Nothing about FE8 is hard, and no one needs Max stats on any character to be good in any part of that game. That's why TH-camrs like Mekkah don't like units like Amelia being given such high praise by people who turtle so hard, they'd lose a race to a turtle. I'm on that thought process as well. I've used the trainees and they're fun, and I wouldn't deride anyone who finds them fun. Folks can have their opinions and there's nothing wrong with that... If their opinions don't ignore facts. Which most people do.
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@@gamermanzeake Come on, man... You need to read more than the text.
Why Amelia is god tier in general
There is a list you can put her on, top 10 strongest fire emblem units (not best units).
Seth is perfect. He is capable of slim lancing his way alone through the entire game on any difficulty regardless of growths. Even when carrying the lord.
Yes, Seth is perfect in his game, but perfect in FE4 means killing the boss and seizing within a few turns, while perfect in FE13 is solo boss-killing or solo routing (with almost any weapon, skill, or class in the game) for the map clear.
I think Mekkah determined the metrics for relative perfection rather well in his summation.
@Hier Roasler oh yeah yeah
@@rubidium3718 oh yeah yeah yeah
Can you imagine if FE8 had Persona 3 A.I.?
@@hiraeth437 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
23:03 - "To clear out entire sections of the map pretty fast"
Mekkah I thought you were assuming the hardest difficulty - maniac mode
May Ashera have mercy on the soul on the person that speedruns Maniac mode
Ur profile pic is my whatsapp profile pic XD sorry about the randomness
Maniac mode is considerably harder then hard mode. A shame it was taken out for us dumbass Westerners.
I actually imported the JP version of FE9 I was so pissed off by it, though for FE10 I didn't have to thankfully.
It's our Fire Emblem Speedrun master: Kirby Mastah!
BlazingMekkah
(Gratz on 15k subs, even though you're almost at 20k, slowpoke)
Let's make a change.org to make mekkkah change his profile picture to a 1st gen slowpoke
Took long enough for something outdated wouldn’t you say.
He's not a slowpoke, he's an exeggutor. Smh.
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-man I found this video too late, hence the 7month past reply-
stfu mangs
Inb4 the 20K special is "Top 15 worst Fire Emblem Characters of All Time" and every spot is Amelia
I think that might be too many Amelias, even for Mekkah. Also, Forde would be on there too
Mangs would be on the list.
And nino
Amelia is still better than units like arden"you can give me a pursuit ring, leg ring 3 different stats ring, and i will still be far worse than lex" or " i need to deal whit a transformation gauge and i am locked in 1 range in the game whit crossbows and 1-2 sword, but when i am transformed i kill wywern knighys in 20 hits in my join chapter" lyre.
Matthis I think is worse. At least Amelia can become good. Matthis has bad bases, bad growths, comes at a time where you have 3 better mounted units and will get 3 better ones shortly after, and will be outclassed by literally every other cavalier even if you 20/20 them. It's actively encouraged to just kill him off to speed up the game, and to avoid hurting your tactics ranking. Worse than Fiona imo
15 years ago my older brothers told me that your starting Paladin was ALWAYS bad. I watch this list and see Titania, Marcus, and Seth and my mind was blown. I’m never trusting their gaming advice again.
Reminds me of my brothers in fighting games. "Imagine using Marth and "braindead" disjoint characters." Cue the part where them playing rushdown characters or grapplers that go offensive way too predictably and unsafely doesn't matter about their point
To be fair, these are the "Oifey" archetype - not Jeigan, as in they are expected to be able to keep up well into the midgame if not later with their growths.
To be harsh, the OG Jeigan is actually pretty great because stat boosters in FE1 are busted and he can slam most enemies with basic weapons for quite a while, and when he starts to fail at doubling you get a +6 speed speedring, or bust out the silver lance which he pretty much has exclusive access to in the early game, or just finish them off with Marth who draws aggro in FE1 and needs training anyways for the Medeus fight. He needs less investment than the other cavs in terms of time if you're going for that and can do surprisingly well for himself.
FE6 Marcus, another "Jeigan" archetype, being now 20 years older than his FE7 appearance, is statwise pretty terrible, but his mere existence makes the hard mode earlygame go from borderline impossible to reliable. Zealot, another early game paladin you recruit a bit later, is slightly better, but barely and in a stage of the game where you don't really need the crutch that is Marcus anymore, to say less of another one. Sure, Percival owns them in stats, but Percival isn't there for half the game so he's not really relevant aside from also being better than either of your starting cavs even when you leveled them up in hard mode, which means that using Marcus over said cavs in the earlygame isn't even all that punishing.
I look forward to the 20k sub special to come out when you hit 50k!
Yo Mekkah
I first remember you from the glory days of Netbattle, and Smogon's mentor program. You'd been assigned to me and I was a dumb 15 year old who didn't know what he even wanted. I don't think that lasted more than one chat, haha.
Was weird to find out you'd become a Fire Emblem youtuber over a decade later, but I love this channel's content so hey. You've earned this 15k!
haha thanks. being a tutor was good times so dw about it
Mekkkah starts his list by tipping his hat for M'lady.
fedora*
Before watching, I’m guessing Marcus, Sigurd and Titania are on the list
You guessed right
Duuhhh
"the worst thing about milady is that there isn't more of her"
My top 15: 15. Ronan, 14. Ronan, 13. Ronan, 12. Ronan, 11. Ronan, 10, Ronan, 9. Ronan 8. Radd Quetz 7. Ronan, 6. Ronan, 5. Ronan, 4. Ronan, 3. Ronan, 2. Ronan, 1. Ronan
Honorable mention: Devdan and Danved
Danved is better because he stole all the transfer bonuses from Devdan
You forgot ronan
agreed
Forgot Robert.
This was a pretty good list but I disagree that Radd Quetz wasn’t on the list. Because I have an opinion that’s different from yours I have no choice but to give this video my lowest rating yet, 9/5 stars, it was Very Seth.
In all seriousness congrats on the (as of now) 18K subs. Before you know it you’ll be working on a 20,000 subscriber special and it’ll probably jump up to 30,000 subscribers.
Aye I bring good news from the future lol
Putting Haar on this list is probably the most accurate thing I have ever seen. My Sister, Brother, and I all started FE10 at the same time, a week or so later we was all talking about the way the units are so much more powerful in FE10 compared to FE9, and we all brought up Haar as this immortal killing machine lol.
24:57 "Footage from TH-cam Rewind 2018"
That made me laugh a lot :)
Top 15 units: Camilla and her 4 alts, Lyn and her 4 alts, and Azura and her 4 alts.
@@super1-up738 No its 15 units because its camilla+4 of her alts etc etc making it 15.
@@super1-up738 no when he says 4 alts he means 4 alts (Ny!Camilla Spring!Camilla Summer!Camilla Adrift Camilla normal Camilla) (Lyn LA!Lyn L!Lyn Bride!Lyn Brave!Lyn) (Azura P!Azura L!Azura Ny!Azura and and i think Azura also has another alt but cant remember)
Edit:I looked up in the Internet there is also an Young Azura alt which imo has the best art
What about Lucina? Not on the list bc she flat?
@@5h3nn0ng Lucina is too good to be compared with Camilla Lyn and Azura
5 alts now
>not ranking fire emblem characters by how cute they are.
This is truly a fool! Seriously though, great video Mekkkah!
Gonzalez number 1.
Not the top 15,000 units?
Robbed.
You must wanted to see Amelia on a list
I can't believe how wrong this so called "top 15" list is, you didn't even include Forde or Rebecca.
Clearly you haven't played Sacred Stones or Blazing Sword.
0/10
death fodder utility is hard to rate so I didn't include them
May you be in good health General Marcus of Ostia. I voted for u for cyl but camilla happens XD
Forde is -lorde- bad
Rebecca isn't good at all, forde is basically Franz but joins late
@@scottkelly156 there's only one utility in Rebecca...
Her Fire Affinity to Support other characters, and 2 Fire Supports XD, the damage that she can deal is worth the price (A or B supports with Dart and Lowen, and a few not RNG Fucked stats). I would like her more if she could promote to Nomad Trooper or something different than the fucking Sniper (for some reason, I finished hating they)
24:55 "And you'd actually have to try to get the guy killed"
**cuts to footage of Mangs getting the guy killed**
Dorcas not in top 5? Silly Mekkkah, Next you're gonna tell me Lyn isn't the best Lord!
Damn. Why did you spoil that?
He had a good run, but then he drank from his mutton
I'm now envious of legitimate Ronan fans. Lyn gets bullied, not memed. I wish things were different. 😭
clearly that list is flawed: Lute isn't even on it, much less at the very top where she belongs!
@@Slash-XVI Oh. Yeah. Forget about Lyn; this is a larger dilemma to tackle.
Just for fun I'll make some predictions before watching.
In no particular order
Jagen
Titania
Seth
Frederick
Saber
Sigurd
Isadora
Jill
Ronan
Caeda
Finn/thracia jagen
Haar
Haar
Marcus
Marcus
Edit: I grossly underestimated Mekkah's affinity for not playing maps i.e warping Kappa.
you forgot about Marcus...
7/15 characters
Number 15 burger king foot lettuce.
*Black Knight boot lettuce
Oh its funny alright
I'm very happy to see staff utility make it onto the list. I think healers are quite underrated in most of the games (except Radiant Dawn because of how amazing the healing items are)
I really like that you always try to take into account the differences between Fire Emblem games that make comparisons difficult.
Gotta repair that pugi axe
* pugi-EX
"Grinding can make any unit good"
Bullshit, no amount of Grinding can ever save Meg
So you've never seen a maxed-out Meg in endgame? You're blind to her power
@@emberhermin52 shit but considering when she joins she is weaker than a generic soldier *in normal mode* , its hard to even try getting there
Meg: use me, I'll get good
Me: shut up, Meg
I love these opinions on these universally liked units and they all happen to be my favorites!
Keep up the amazing informative content Mekkah!
I'm a simple person. I see Seth - I click :D
Ah, Mekkah.
I remember the Binding Blade playthrough we had together with a bunch of others on #purelimit. We each played in turn a chapter with no reset allowed if someone died. Desert chapter got the best of us if I remember well and I believe we were all using Wolt just to spite you (or at least I was). :)
You made a pretty big thing out of your love for FE now, congrats on your success!
Top Cut was an amazing PTCG channel. I have rewatched those videos so much. Pretty sad Pooka stopped making videos but seeing him move on to commentate worlds is still pretty insane!
I thought that was munching orange
what I always like of mekkkah is how he use creative thinking in his strategies and in his countdown. i probably woud go in a different way, but that's why we love this channel. kudos on your 19k subs. would you do a top 15 worst units too at 30k?
26:52 I havent played/watched radiant dawn but the fact that mia is on par with units like haar and titania cracked me up
She really good in radiant dawn
These units sure are "powerful"
He will grow into a powerful unit with help from a class up item. With the secret luna book, he will be a powerful ally against the dragon.
*H O W E V E R*
merry 15k (18k now) mekkkqqah! ur probably the best fe youtuber alive rn because of your extreme calmness and supreme intelligence. i pray for the day you're released from your dungeon
Umm, where’s FE6 Karel? He has like the best growths
availability 1/10
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 what about Hector?? He's broken as hell
@@DazeDemon Not really. He is the best of the three lords but he is outclassed by quite a few units in the game.
@@lucasmorandini7566 Being the best lord is not a very big milestone in FE7 when you're competition is two sword locked units.
@@westide3050 Thats why im saying he is not really op.
I'm the farthest from a "hardcore elitist" person. I don't LTC at all, feed xp to weak units like thieves, and I arena abuse. But holy hell, I love your content, Mekkah.
I enjoy the Amelia/Nino memes and such. I've learned how important Jagens are and how good mov is as a stat. I decided to actually care about bases and all that.
You know, if Mekkah has a religion, I'd like to know how to join it. I probably won't stop being a casual, but now I can laugh even harder at whatever Mangs does
Robin and Morgan carried my team in Apotheosis, they indeed are broken as shit. But then Awakening as a whole is broken. Nice list, I don't know squat from behind FE6, but I more than respect your authority in this series! Congrats on 15, 16, 17, 18k subscribers! You deserve your success!
I haven't played all of the Fire emblem games but I picked up Awakening this Christmas break. I didn't know Robin was so strong and this video really showed me what units are good in most Fire emblem games. I really love these videos and congrats on the 15k, well 18k but it's a top 15. Keep it up!
Congrats on 18.000. Been subbed since the very very very early days. It's been outstanding to see the growth of this channel within the last year. You absolutely deserve it.
If this had included grinding, the whole list would be filled with Awakening units, (probably most of the child units)
26:41
"Barring Ilyana"
ILYANA CONFIRMED NUMBER 1 DUE TO RD AVAILABILITY
I'm upset Mia & Convoy Zeiss didn't make the list this time around since they were top 3 in the original list tho
Came here for Top 15 FE units, stayed for the Top 5 Mins of Disclaimers and rules. Solid video 😂
"Recruit the like button by turning it blue"
damn
Didn't expect #1 but it makes sense :) great vid and can't wait for the next milestone
Congrats on getting so many subscribers! I just subscribed today. I don't get to watch playthroughs too often, but I've enjoyed your appearances on Mangs' channel. You two are a lot of fun.
I mostly pick my favorite characters based off of their story and/or personality, but their viability is important too.
1. Seth
2. Seth
3. Seth
4. Seth
5. Seth
6. Seth
7. Seth
8. Seth
9. Seth
10. Seth
11. Seth
12. Seth
13. Seth
14. Seth
15. Nino (reverse Seth)
Robin is the reason I can't play Awakening anymore. The only gameplay method that makes any sense to me involves soloing entire maps with them. Anything else is sandbagging.
Only a few units can ever keep up. Avatar's children, Panne... I think the only other viable units use Rescue staff. This is how every single Awakening Lunatic playthrough became for me after a while. Even after putting it down for a few years, I remembered how to get Robin to Galeforce before Lucina arrived, but Robin stops taking damage long before that (Ch. 7, I think?).
Awakening is one of the most broken FE games ever made.
How do you even use Panne?
@@maxspecsForgive the late response, but I trust you've figured how to roll your face on the game pad by now. Cheerio.
Congrats Mekkkah, I might be critical of your opinions sometimes and disagree, bit I love your content none the less, I'm so happy you made it to 18k
Where is Oliver? smh 0/10
Didn't even put Gordin. Whack
Seth is #1 to me. great list though. I love how calm you are when you discuss this stuff. good stuff
Lol B in Axes for Palla. I wish that she could use axes that well before promoting.
@Mekkah, I somehow turned Silque into a tank in Echoes by giving her a Dracoshield.
Also using the Echoes portrait isn't a bad thing, they are the same character after all.
Number 1 seems about right, Vengeance Vantage was pretty popular for good reasons. I took some time learning this stuff back in the day, but you can easily use Limitbreaker, Armsthrift Vengeance Vantage and Sol for some cancerous tactics. On top of this, we can just throw on a forged brave tome and we've got a tank with good mix phase and a 1-2range Brave weapon that never breaks. If you want to go beyond this you can try the sorcerer class and use Mire(which I believe is what we call a siege tome?).
To end off, The logbook can be used to buy other robins, so technically you could make your own Robin, grind to chapter 18 get the books, save to log book and create an army of robins. On top of this, you can mix max bane/boon for certain classes making Him/Her probably the most broken character in all of FE.
You forgot to mention Nosferatu and Aversa’s Night.
I wasn't expecting Palla at all :o Greati video Mekkah!
1: Dew
2: Dew
3: Dew
4: Dew
5: Dew
6: Tinny
7: Dew
8: Dew
9: Dew
10: Dew
11: Dew
12: Dew
13: Dew
14: Dew
15: Ardin
Congrats mann. Great vid as always. Love your content mann 🙌🙌
My top:
1.-gwendollyn
Wow, i don't even know where i should start, gwen joins at level 1, meaning she has 19 levels to grow + 20 from her promotion, she has great growths, granting her at least +1 in any stat for level, she has very decent bases for her joining chapters, you should gave her boots, so she can have a massive 6 movement
2.-amelia
Amelia has really good potential, you can grind her in the tower, killing every monster, when you are promoting her, you should go for general
3.-arden
Arden is one of the best unit from fe4, he has a great defense growth, you can even solo the game with him, sign of how good this unit
4.-camilla
She has very big BOOBS base and growth, best fates unit
5.-cath
Thiefs are always rated good, cath isn't the exeption, she can open locked dors and chsts, she will dodge everything and cannot be one shoted in any way, practically inmortal
6.-lyn
Lyn is a great unit, she has one of the highest skills on the game, she can double and dodge everything, and she is a lord, best unit from fe7
7.-rebecca
Rebecca is really good, you should give her every kill and then your first orion's bolt, she will one round every flier in the entire game
8.-merlinus
Merlinus is a beast, his high con. Allows him to wield anything without beign doubled, his high skill helps him taking even myrmidons, he doesn't make any further cause he can't attack
9.-gordin
Gordin is great because of his abilavilty and bases, being able to one shot every enemy in his recruitment chapter
10.-marty
Marty has a very hight strenght, he overkills everything, and even more things like myrmidons and almost every sword users
Good list, but where is Sophia?
Raddical Man where?
In what universe is Gordon one shotting anybody
@@Dunco64 fe12 and fe3
I havent been to this channel in forever and I'm so happy it's still going strong love u mekkah
I actually just finished up my first playthrough of New Mystery of the emblem yesterday on hard and OMG Palla is just so good. She's over-leveled and over-statted when you get her and she just gets better.
setH NOT NUMBER ONE I AM SO FREAAAAKING NETTLED. also good stuff. how are you not atleast 100K subs. I've sent your channel to all my friends
Crazy how you quadrupled that amount in 3 years
I was pretty surprised that you put Silque above Safy but your arguments make total sense. Love your stuff man, big fan. Looking forward to the 20K special.
seliph should be higher than siglud because of his class change bonuses
Actually his name is sephliphglud, according to the official translation.
No horse for the first 20 levels and he face competion from oifey early and the other, more optimized children late, while every gen 1 unit has either worse combat than sigurd or is on foot. In run whit subs or non optimized kids he is god, but in run whit good children they catch up whit him.
Seliph cant be higher than Sigurd because he gets more help than him. Even if he has better stats, Gen 2 children almost always become very strong and reliable, and if you don't use them and use substitutes instead, you still get units like Ares who join no matter what and can be very helpful to Seliph. Sigurd doesn't have a unit like that until Chapter 4 and 5 if you aren't playing slow.
Seliph isn't as high because relative to the supporting cast he isn't as broken as sigurd. Gen 1 has very few broken units while about half of gen 2 is
-wait its celice fuck-
This is my favorite video of your's Mekkah. Keep up the good work!
So guys, we did it.
We've reached a quarter of Mang's sub count.
15,000 subscribers and still growing.
The fact that we've reached this number in such a short amount of time is just phenomenal...
Really enjoyed this and would love to hear your honourable mentions. Congrats on 15... 16... 17... 18k.
I like how mekkkah says Recruit the like button
that artwork of Lena you posted does a great job of showing off the wonderful assets she has to offer the player
Now we can see Mekkah react to his own top 15 on stream right??
Gotta admit, I didn't see that #1 coming. I guess you were three steps ahead of my expectations!
Okay but where's the Hectorcutioner?
Low speed, low movement, unmounted.
Was hoping to see the deathgod Nephenee, but I agree with all your picks!
We BlazingKnight now.
Amazing video, Mekkkah! Looking forward to the Conquest LP to see what you think of Corrin.
You're turning into Blazing Knight with all these milestone vids
some of the most enjoyable fire emblem content, and YT content, there is
27:11
And yet, some people still underrate Seliph...
How?
He is one of the most customizable gen 2 units given that his dad kills everything in his part of the game
Probably the only true bearer of the word mage killer with his glowing metal stick
@@thewindysage1538 I haven't played FE4 so I'm mostly an outsider here, but a fair amount of dialogue I see online is that he needs a lot of investment to become a copy of his dad.
However even with my lack of experience I think this is stupid because child units in any FE game that includes them are bonkers. The level of customization and benefits they get are insane and the fact they're mandatory in FE4 and that everything starts over from scratch gives them an ample amount of time to grind and shine.
Seliph is a strange unit. He can be a physical monster thanks to his dad but his mom makes him a pseudo mage. I think he is under rated because if you don't paragon ring him, he takes a while to get going. Meanwhile you can have lakche who can also inherit the knight and leg ring plus a hero sword with crit. You also get units like sety who can murder armies with holsety and has a speed is literally too high for the game to handle. Its easy to under rate him because half the units in gen 2 are kind of broken
The thing about seliph is that he is the seize lord in the biggest maps in the franchise
Making him a 12 move Knight lord is not really about combat but about sanity
Not every map is linear and when you have to backtrack it hurts
Lakche can inherit paragon through lex so it's not really necessary at all times to invest in her but it really comes down to preference
Leif for example despite appearing a chapter later is probably a better candidate for investment as if you play your cards right by the time he can get the paragon ring it's old user should be near level 20 and he gets a horse upon promotion to master Knight and basically all of the weapon ranks enabling him to keep up with horse emblem 4
Sety actually can be serviceable unit with just his lighting time and Arthur comes 2.5 chapters earlier than him and gets a mount
I could go on and on about how fe4 is the only Fe where I get like this because you need that movement
It's really up to play style but I wouldn't call myself a speedruner
You can do whatever you want but this is about the time it takes to go from castle to castle,his combat is a nice bonus
It's really up about how you play to whom you invest but seliph is a constant
He always has to seize
Meanwhile you can play the game without lakche or sety without much penalty
You might as well start working on the 20000 subscriber special, because by the time you finish making the video, you’ll have 20k!
From the FE games I've played I agree with all the inclusions, though I found Jill helping in the dawn brigade to overall be more helpful than haar personally, though that could just be me prejudiced against the dawn brigade part of the game. I probably would have filled in the blanks from the games I havn't played (in no particular order) by including Ephraim, Frederick, Corrin, and Ike. Mostly gathered near the bottom. Honorable mentions for Florina and Kent/Sain (Lyn mode gains, stat boosters to Florina and Knight seal to Sain/Kent, whichever got the better level ups).
Congratulations Mekkkah!! You deserve it
I'm just going to start out by saying that this was a great video and that I agree with most of what you said.
However, I'm curious as to why you didn't put Sirius on this list. While not having quite as good availability as Seth, his bases are basically on par and his growths are better where they count. He's also at least on par with Palla in FE12 imo as he doesn't require a master seal to increase movement for max utility. Then there's RD Jill who I have seen at her worst (never got strength lvl up). In my recent RD playthrough she was always just short of something required for a kill (much like our old pal Forde).
All I can say is that Sirius has amazing bases that will earn you easy wins in the early game if you choose, great growth rates, almost maxed out weapon ranks for both swords and lances, and is recruited in only chapter 4; so I personally believe he deserves to be mentioned whenever talking about "best units". Again, great video and I respect your opinion.
Good mention, he didn't come to mind for me either but now that you mention him he's a contender for top 15.
Siruis is not that great as a unit, yes he is a prepromote with good bases and can use lances and swords, but, in Lunatic/Lunatic reverse he is less useful most of the time, his speed growth is very low and your best option to increase that is reclass to swordmaster making less damage, and as a prepromote he doesn't have the bonus for promoting, this is more my personal experience using him in Lunatic reverse.
@@JesusMorales-cx8vv Damn you FE12 and your stupid af difficulty scaling! Early game Sirius is a champ either way tho.
congratz Mekkah
Maaannnn, gba was the best system for turn-based strategy games. All the fe, ff ta, and don't forget advanced wars!
Yes! Spectacular! You, quote en quote, "amaze me" Mekkkah.
Inb4 top 4 are Seth, FE7 Markus, FE9 Titania, and Sigurd. Let's see how I do.
Ok, 2/4 not terrible. In hindsight I definitely should have seen Robin coming.
Sup Mekkah
I remember seeing a Mekkkah on Smogon and practising in PTCG with him to prepare for tournaments. I did not expect to see you doing Fire Emblem but im glad stuff worked out! Here is to 15k more subs! Greetings from an old TCG pal
I remember that one you made ages ago on Serenes Forest. I still have to see the video, but of course Palla is number one, right?
P.S. Oh you talked about that tier list two minutes into the video, literally, lol.
Love your content man, keep it up! Can't wait till 25k! 😄
I'm going to make some predictions before watching the video (in no particular order) sigurd, seth, FE7 marcus, Kris, Robin, fe12 palla, fe9 titania, FE10 Haar, Pent maybe? don't know who else to put here. maybe milady or percival and one or two dancers? I think you would put someone from fates on the list if you had played all the way through one of the paths at least
EDIT: huh, i was mostly right. I would add that female robin is better not so much because of S supporting chrom but more because of her access to the dark flier class and galeforce. I would also make the argument that male kris is better than female kris due to having more classes available when reclassing and having a better starting class selection overall barring pegasus knight.
Pegasus knight Kris doesn't even matter since upon promoting, both Krises will get the dracoknight class
Oh Mekkah don’t make us cry man. You deserve the 15k
My guesses were that this list would be just Staff users, Flieers and Jeigans. Counting Robin and Kris both as fliers since those are their best options I've got a nice 14/15 there. Only Seliph escapes.
Seliph: Fuck you Silith13!
I honestly didn't expect Number 1, but now that I think about it, it makes sense that they're there.