Just going to throw this out there since it kind of works a nerve. Why "Countless Millenia"? I mean, at most we're talking 40 or hell likely a lot less then that since the golden age started several thousand years AD, so probably less then 30. You telling me the space dwarves can't count to 30?
PS my dude: "42nd Millennium" is singular, it is describing just that millennium, not all of the millennia leading up to it. Millennia is plural, referring to a timespan of multiple thousands of years.
@@inzane456 not true. They’ve said that kin can and have fallen to chaos. It’s just much less likely, like it would be for Tau. Now, they definitely don’t want to make chaos kin YET, but they haven’t written it out of feasibility.
I think the grimdark tragedy of them is how they and the remaining men of iron are likely the closest thing to actual true humanity in the galaxy, a tiny broken fragment of something so much greater and even they have failed to remain fully on the path of the dark age humans as their closest links in the votann supercomputers are becoming degraded by age and constant use without true maintenance.
They're the last existing golden age slowly creeping to it's end. Though they will probably be relatively ok after the inevitable, they will never reach that same height once it comes, it's a grimdark that is bittersweet, with no flashy revolutions or tragedies, just quiet, and efficient... Very much like them.
They are not humans. They are tools for mankind, "slaves", just like the Astartes, and the Primarchs that came before them and the Thunder Warriors that came before them. They are slaves with no masters left, Dogs without herd to protect. Just like the Men of Iron, those of Stone lost their origin, their masters and their duty. But sadly, these themes of lost glory and meaning are already what defines almost every faction in the setting, but they lack the "something else" specific to them that the Necrons Godslayers, the Fallen Aeldaris or the crumbling Imperium does have.
There still isn’t much tragedy in them. They do have a ruthless habit of taking resources/planets from others, with absolutely no pity for those they take from. That can definitely contribute to the shittyness of the galaxy.
@@reginlief1 the "tragedy" is the emptiness of their whole existence. Like OP said they have a direct link to the greatness of a golden era (but like Wes said that may very well have been mundane tech for the time), but they'll never truly know it, as even their advanced devices age and fail. The emptiness and apathy of constantly gazing into the void of a meaningless existence. The whole futility of their existence. I actually think they aren't tragic too, but because of the fact they say themselves that they feel right at home in the void, so ironically even if they meant the literal void, they may be right at home with the concept of the pointless feeblenss of their entire existence
How the heck did they lose the knowledge on how to maintain the STCs Did they all travel into the Galatic Core and be like "well, we don't need to bring along STC professors or whatever STC experts since we have Galatic WiFi shared with the other Mankind settlements" Thus perhaps explaining why they lost it, the WiFi was cut when The Age of Strife occurred
My favorite part about the Leagues of Votann is that Deep Rock Galactic has been making 40K references and jokes for years now, and here we are getting space dwarves finally.
Space Dwarves (or Squats) were a thing in Rouge Trader, but were apparently killed off because someone on GW's management didn't like the idea of Dwarves in space much.
@darkxaur I recall, I just think it is funny that DRG got in on the fun before WH40K did when in comes to bringing back Space Dwarves. I was always sad that the Squats were gone.
Remember, when Dark Age Humanity had the same level of technology as the Kin, or even better. Every guardsman was geared with that Space Marine level armour.
@@dakkarocka "DAEMONS HAPPENED"! Some tech priest probably. Theres actually a novel that covers a similar event. Death Of Integrity. Some tech priests and astartes are clearing out a space hulk to find some DAOT stuff. They get more than they bargained for.
That mirrors for our real world too. Any person who gets so invested in their group/religion/politcal ideology loses sight of their experience by having those larger socially contructed perspectives modify their view of their own lives. Are they then human, or just a mere extension of their religioin, party, or "The God emperor".
Only in stories. In real life they'll just be as inhuman as the sacred humans. Let go of the idea of the Noble Savages. They are savages for a reason. They act as Savages, get responded by Savagery and become even more Savage.
@@tehfelf Religion and Other Ideologies are Part of the Human experience. Everything that plays a part of the human becomes part of the Human Experience. Even Primitive Noble Savages have their Own ideology of how the world works and what they should do. And no. They did not live in Harmony with nature. The Native Americans Brutally fought each other for slaves, territory and resources. Each tribe is different but the Brutal plains taught them strongly about Survival.
Mechanicus : You're heretic ! You're not a human but xenos ! Kin : Well, you're just a tech shaman ! Worship those who don't want to be ! *Iron Kin pass by* Both of them : Hmm, steel booty ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
@@thehermitthetower1126 i actually did for 2 years on tiktok haha! Im not going to lie its a dream come true to actually be able to do this full time as a job, but hanging out in the comments and hearing people say that they enjoyed something I worked hard on Is the most validating thing ever!
@@thehermitman822 The shorts aren't for everyone, they are aimed at people who have never heard of warhammer before to peak their interest and introduce them to this crazy franchise. I make the long form videos for my fellow 40k nerds :)
I remember a segment from the Old squat lore that stats that during the Great Crusade, space marines where sent to a Squat stronghold and where Forced to fight in Claustrophobic tunnels against Rather Durpie looking Squat Terminators, I caped this image in a space in my mind because Now that the -Squats- Votann are now redesigned just still Fluffy lore wise, and that in the range you can have kin equipped with rather bulky Mjölnir styled Power armour.
MK3 power armor was developed to actually fight squats. Also squats were not defeated in the crusade but joined with a treaty similar to the one given to the Adeptus Mechanicus. New lore states tgat only a few leagues actually joined far from the whole leagues
first half of the video: "wheres the grimdark? these guys seem pretty ideal" >ultra-dementia in their god robots >mindless greed that supersedes their alleged morals >lives ultimately kinda lack purpose because they seem to exist only for the sake of continued existence "ok, there it is"
People keep forgetting 90% of the weapons and vehicles was just farm and factory equipment and mining equipment before they became refitted for war even the space crafts was just simply boats to sail space
Somehow you managed to make a very shitty day of mine into a good one with a video about spacedwarfs that feed their ancestors to their gaming laptops thank you
@@akumaking1 I can see the Kyn and the Space Wolves actually getting along nicely, I wrote a piece of fan lore that details during a mining expedition they find a warp gate beneath Fenris and they alerted the Space Wolves about it leading to them seeing it open up and when they're ready to fight they lower their weapons seeing Leman Russ and Corvus Corax step out the warp gate.
Wes, please never stop making content. Is this the best thing out there. Your Videos make every day better and i probably watched every of your Videos like 10 times. Thank you!
I love how GW translated the dwarf archetype into 40k. I still remember the old Demiurg concept and really liked the idea of these short xenos rock monsters so I'm using all the craggy heads with my force, but otherwise, it's just exceptional. Theres a different vibe to them while still keeping them 40k and yes that includes the grimdark. I just need more examples of their architecture so I build terrain. And uh, is Soylent green *Kin*?
Same. I'm going to be leaning into the NASA punk vibe with some slight art deco accents. For some reason I wanna have hydroponics and hanging vegetation sprinkled in. But all my basing is going to cratered barren surfaces. None of that really matches what little environment we've seen in the art.
@@graefx There was that one artwork of th Hernkyn Pioneers on an ice world, also yes, I agree, NASApunk with art deco is definetly the way to go, although I'd call it dwarf deco
Hey Wes, I just wanted to say thank you for getting me into this franchise. I saw your video on the summary of the story, and ever since then, I was hooked. Been qatching your videos and others ever since and have been playing the games and reading ever since. You're a true legend of your craft, and I thank you for the work that you do!
Thx u weshammer for talking about league of Votans lore I hope we can get more lore about them again. Space Dwarf are finally back in the gim dark future.
This faction has a lot of parallels with other factions, but especially the tyranids, the hive mind and AI, cloning, mutations for use, resource based… Since the tyranids are my faction this is an absolute win
I'm new to 40k and your videos have done more to get me in than anything else. So glad to see a full hour on this topic as if I actually got a army I think it may be this one. Got to get Dem orange boys!
I wouldn’t say the iron kin are completely emotionless and are only able too copy emotions.. I believe they have some emotion and even there own thoughts, they just act in the typical robotic fashion you see in kids movies all the time… calculated and logical and all that stuff.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 It's more the other way around, they can express emotion in a realistic way, but don't truly feel emotions the way a biological creature does.
I had just gotten into warhammer within the last month, and I must say, your channel has been an invaluable source of lore information for me, who had no idea where to start or what faction to start with. Thank you for making these kind of videos for middle aged newbs like myself lol.
Check the Arch too, but like me might want to hold about building or buying army. Learn the game in tabletop sim and look sharply what GW is doing before buying into tabletop. I love the lore but due bullshit of GW i'm not putting money into army at this point.
Currently working on a 1000 pt Votann army that I'll be using in an upcoming tag-team local tourney. Going with the Ymir Conglomerate. My team-mate is also currently building a 1000 pt Votann army. He's going Kronus Hegemony. Half shooty. Half stabby. All attitude.
Been subsribed to you since the time you were making primarily shorts and DAMN you made progress! I really enjoy your narration: it's informative, yet full of emotions to a tasteful degree. Really like your work!
Their story was incredible! I never even HEARD of these guys before! Is there more about them, besides that book you mentioned? IF not, there should be!
Not yet. They are brand new and just got introduced a few months back. I'm sure there are some novels in the works, but the black library has been tight lipped on them so far. Give it time, we will definitely get more lore!
I was told the other day, that they used to to be Old Warhammer games, but they got left behind when the series picked up. Although the Votann specifically might be new, and the old ones were probably just Space Dwarves. Lol
They used to be in the early versions of 40k tabletop... They got discontinued after sometime but now they're back... They were called squats before.. and the term squatted came from the time they got discontinued.
The Leagues are a welcome (re)addition to 40K, and I wait with bated breath; for more lore (let's face it, everything we get of them is welcome in my book).
I'm relatively new to the 40k universe. I'm not sure if I'm of a rare breed or very common, but I don't play any of the games or collect any figurines. I just enjoy learning about the lore and universe in general. Anyway, I'd never heard of this faction until today with this video and I gotta say, I think they are my new favorite group!
They're actually a VERY new faction, as in within the last 6 months. As someone who's been playing since the end of 7th edition, I look forward to seeing how they develop.
I haven't played tabletop or collected the models in probably at least fifteen years, but I still collect the books, because I love the lore and the artwork in them
@@DethKnightKrieg They aren't a new faction, the Kin or Squats as we knew them way back in the day, have been in 40K since first edition, way back in the late 80's. They were retconned out of existence in third edition and now they have been retconned back in.
Its good to see the Squats as a serious faction and not just as a joke or meme. Down with heightism aka races such as dwarves being seen as a joke because they are short.
This is awesome, i have been wanting to get my Votann army built, but kill team has been keeping me busy, but now you got me all hyped got my dwarves again so i'ma start getting them put together. 😀
I just love the Leagues of Votann! For me their are not just space dwarfs that are kick ass miners. The culture around the Votann and the ancestors. The fact they are clones resembling a large "family". Thier organisation in Kindreds and Leagues. The four pillars. Their will for science and exploration to provide it to the Votann for future generations of Kin to come. Living in honor and courage for their people, while keeping it protected from the outside. That they are not just brainless fighting meat, but that they trade, explore and strive in their Holds. But also, the principle of grudge towards their foes, making them furious warriors is just awesome!
Your ability when you write your scripts for your videos are leagues beyond anyone else doing 40k content! I tried for years to get into Warhammer 40k, but found it almost impossible on my own and the content that was already out was really not my style to put it mildy. Thank you so much, Wes. For introducing me to this wonderful horrible and twisted univers! I'm already looking forward to your next video :D
I thought this would be a refresher on most of the lore i heard but there is sooo much details i never knew about in this video Definitely makes me love the Votann more
working on my own League known as the FMC (Fenrisian Mining Corp) who cooperate alongside the space wolves and wear the same colour armour as them and even have colour coded overalls to signify their occupation to the Corp Blue - Scout Red - Engineer Yellow - Driller Green - Gunner Orange - Prisoner/berserker Black with yellow details - Leaders/Captains
Problem with Wes' theory about the Votann seeing what happened at the end of the Age of Strife and choosing to hide. If they left in Generation Ships then it was before the 18th Millennium, so heeeeeavy early in the dark age.
I love the flexibility that you have when it comes to making your own kin sub faction. Because the kind don’t have nearly as many societal restrictions as the imperium’s many groups, you can get pretty creative with your own guys.
What a great video. If I had known about the Votann like this, I would have made them my first Army. Funny enough I went with Orks first. At least I’ve found my second army hahaha
I heard a phrase like that before from the Necromunda game. Something about; “If you're not strong enough to fight for something and it was never really yours in the first place”. Or something along those lines. It was definitely a bit more practical and harsher sounding. Lol
Even though small factions compared to the imperium, orks tyranids etc, if the league and the tau empire joined forces they're technological advancement would be one hell of a threat to other factions
I thank you good sir. This has grown my love for this faction which I have sighted as my first army once I finally get enough money to begin my 40k journey
Warhammer 40K has dwarves? Damn sign me in then. I was always fan of dwarves and I have played as dwarf in every mmo and rpg game I had so these Votann guys sound like a great way to start collecting some 40K miniatures :)
So a solution to the Votun question might lie with the Eldar and their Infinity Circuit, as the infinity circuit fulfills a similar purpose to what the dwarves use the Votun for. So perhaps when they become desperate enough they'll make a deal with the craftworld eldar for the knowledge to make their own version of the infinity circuit.
Part of me is like who are you people and what happened to my Warhammer? But another part of me says well they should have been here all along... They're interesting. A forgotten fragment of the dark age of technology. I was honestly shocked when I heard that they used AI. That's interesting.
Fascinating Lore! I originally went with Chaos...but i may change over to these guys! They look as badass as Chaos, but much more fun to paint. Also, i've been looking for a force which look....uniform, and these stout folks in their awesome suits are just that! Amazing! 😂👍
Dude what an absolutely amazing lore vid. I knew next to nothing about the Leagues so this vid really helped me understand more about the way they think and operate,
Makes me wonder what would happen if some chaos shenanigans were to corrupt a core or if a genestealer managed to infect a votann that then got fed into a core (remember they infected a craft world and a grey knight)
A new WesHammer lore video. Dont mind if I grab some food and chill back to this. Amazing video my dude. It still amazes me that you can make a hour long video feel like 5 minutes. I blinked and it was over.
my theory is that the kyn is what the ancient texts call the men of stone because the passage that describes them says that they are diminutive in spirit and body, and "as they lived in a state of "Half-Life" they were unaffected by demons of the warp."
The Leagues of Votann are a great addition to 40k in my opinion. I love what lore we have on them so far and their asethetic is just so appealing to me as well as potentially giving us hints at even more dark age tech thought lost to the Imperium and the Mechanicus. They're one of the best things 40k has done in 9th edition!
I think so. They are a good all rounder without a lot of glaring weaknesses. Imo the hardest army's to play are probably wierd ones like gene stealer cult or Drukhari that rely on ambush tactics and super fast but fragile units. Votann would be a great starter army.
I hope you are in good health man. Something tells me, you do this entire thing alone, and props to you for it. But this can break many people, so mental health is key
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Dwarf's: Wait, you're me?
Kin: Always have been.🔫👩🚀
This what I see for them when they arrive in warhammer 40k. This is song th-cam.com/video/_cP_qVtOiGI/w-d-xo.html
Just going to throw this out there since it kind of works a nerve. Why "Countless Millenia"? I mean, at most we're talking 40 or hell likely a lot less then that since the golden age started several thousand years AD, so probably less then 30. You telling me the space dwarves can't count to 30?
PS my dude: "42nd Millennium" is singular, it is describing just that millennium, not all of the millennia leading up to it. Millennia is plural, referring to a timespan of multiple thousands of years.
Do you still have the code for Tacticus? I cant find it and want to use your code on the game.
The Kin : our psychers are totally in control of their powers, and aren't submit to uncontroled mutations
Chaos boys : "Wait, that's illegal."
Lol good one.
Booo I want my money back !! That joke stinks!’
In other words, GW doesn't want to make Chaos Dwarves in space.
@@inzane456 not true. They’ve said that kin can and have fallen to chaos. It’s just much less likely, like it would be for Tau.
Now, they definitely don’t want to make chaos kin YET, but they haven’t written it out of feasibility.
They have to use tech to do any psychic stuff though. Knock that staff out of the Grimnyr’s hand and you’ve rendered him useless.
Chaos: lets the warp magic control them
Votann: Grabs warp magic by the balls, puts them on an anvil, and makes it safe and reliable 👍
" Nice balls bro. " *DONK!*
Chaos: :O
Ouch
*Slaanesh enters the chat*
and thus the origin of the votann kin acute gold rush@@jbark678
Chaos: invades votann.
Votann: That's going in the Fing book of grudges.
Imperium: invades Votann
Votann : Death to these Zealot Idiot's
One mind syndicate is in thy book of grudges.
or the .txt file of grudges
The blockchain of grudges
Yep, that's a judgement token.
I think the grimdark tragedy of them is how they and the remaining men of iron are likely the closest thing to actual true humanity in the galaxy, a tiny broken fragment of something so much greater and even they have failed to remain fully on the path of the dark age humans as their closest links in the votann supercomputers are becoming degraded by age and constant use without true maintenance.
They're the last existing golden age slowly creeping to it's end. Though they will probably be relatively ok after the inevitable, they will never reach that same height once it comes, it's a grimdark that is bittersweet, with no flashy revolutions or tragedies, just quiet, and efficient... Very much like them.
They are not humans. They are tools for mankind, "slaves", just like the Astartes, and the Primarchs that came before them and the Thunder Warriors that came before them.
They are slaves with no masters left, Dogs without herd to protect. Just like the Men of Iron, those of Stone lost their origin, their masters and their duty.
But sadly, these themes of lost glory and meaning are already what defines almost every faction in the setting, but they lack the "something else" specific to them that the Necrons Godslayers, the Fallen Aeldaris or the crumbling Imperium does have.
There still isn’t much tragedy in them. They do have a ruthless habit of taking resources/planets from others, with absolutely no pity for those they take from. That can definitely contribute to the shittyness of the galaxy.
@@reginlief1 the "tragedy" is the emptiness of their whole existence. Like OP said they have a direct link to the greatness of a golden era (but like Wes said that may very well have been mundane tech for the time), but they'll never truly know it, as even their advanced devices age and fail. The emptiness and apathy of constantly gazing into the void of a meaningless existence.
The whole futility of their existence. I actually think they aren't tragic too, but because of the fact they say themselves that they feel right at home in the void, so ironically even if they meant the literal void, they may be right at home with the concept of the pointless feeblenss of their entire existence
How the heck did they lose the knowledge on how to maintain the STCs
Did they all travel into the Galatic Core and be like "well, we don't need to bring along STC professors or whatever STC experts since we have Galatic WiFi shared with the other Mankind settlements"
Thus perhaps explaining why they lost it, the WiFi was cut when The Age of Strife occurred
My favorite part about the Leagues of Votann is that Deep Rock Galactic has been making 40K references and jokes for years now, and here we are getting space dwarves finally.
Wait...they have? I thought it was just us the players making jokes about it
for real? like what references
not just 40k either, giving love to the good ole warhammer fantasy with a slayer mohawk
Space Dwarves (or Squats) were a thing in Rouge Trader, but were apparently killed off because someone on GW's management didn't like the idea of Dwarves in space much.
@darkxaur I recall, I just think it is funny that DRG got in on the fun before WH40K did when in comes to bringing back Space Dwarves. I was always sad that the Squats were gone.
Remember, when Dark Age Humanity had the same level of technology as the Kin, or even better. Every guardsman was geared with that Space Marine level armour.
Wasn't the Terminator Space Marine armour model made for mining spots? DAH had 10 times better battle armour than the Kin if that's true
@@jana7164 Yep. And I think Imperial Knights are logging equipment.
@@jaketheberge1970 some dude from the DAOT come back… why are y’all going to war with forklifts ? What happen to the actual weapons ?
@@dakkarocka "DAEMONS HAPPENED"!
Some tech priest probably.
Theres actually a novel that covers a similar event. Death Of Integrity. Some tech priests and astartes are clearing out a space hulk to find some DAOT stuff. They get more than they bargained for.
@Peniley Majorey actually baneblades were designated as "scout vehicles"
It's funny and fitting how the rejects and different odd humans are the most human out off all the so called sacred humans of the 40k universe
That mirrors for our real world too. Any person who gets so invested in their group/religion/politcal ideology loses sight of their experience by having those larger socially contructed perspectives modify their view of their own lives.
Are they then human, or just a mere extension of their religioin, party, or "The God emperor".
Only in stories. In real life they'll just be as inhuman as the sacred humans.
Let go of the idea of the Noble Savages. They are savages for a reason.
They act as Savages, get responded by Savagery and become even more Savage.
@@tehfelf Religion and Other Ideologies are Part of the Human experience. Everything that plays a part of the human becomes part of the Human Experience. Even Primitive Noble Savages have their Own ideology of how the world works and what they should do.
And no. They did not live in Harmony with nature. The Native Americans Brutally fought each other for slaves, territory and resources. Each tribe is different but the Brutal plains taught them strongly about Survival.
@@silverhawkscape2677 least xenophobic Imperium of Man defender
I have to say I love what GW has done with the leagues I have always liked dwarfs and making them into basically asteroid miners is awesome.
I also love how they tossed a bone to people that enjoyed the old Squat land trains, by adding them in to Necromunda
@@Naedlus yep it also doesn't disqualify the name squats either
Technically these guys can mine anything. Stars, Planets, black holes, warp rifts, etc
Same I'm very dwarf leaning in all forms of fantasy/sci-fi ❤🎉🎉
Rock and Stone
I would love... just love, if the next installment of Deep Rock Galactic is a big reveal that we were part of the League of Voltann the whole time.
Yeah no, i don’t want gw to buy ghost ship game
There’s an actual Deep Rock Kindred in the lore
Rock and Stone?
In my heart, we are and its all i need to know. GIVE ME AN R, GIVE ME AN S, GOVE ME A ROCK AND STONE!.
While that would be nice I think Ghost ship games should still run on their own but it would make for an interesting crossover if that ever happens
This is a hectic Deep Rock Galactic lore Deep dive.
For Rock and Stone!
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
*FOR KARL!!!*
FA KARL
ROOCKK *burp* AAND *burp* STOONE!
ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE
Mechanicus : You're heretic ! You're not a human but xenos !
Kin : Well, you're just a tech shaman ! Worship those who don't want to be !
*Iron Kin pass by*
Both of them : Hmm, steel booty ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
O V E R S I Z E D C O N T A I N E R
Iron Kin: I just finished repairs, I need no further dents in my posterior plate.
Dear God....
@@stingerjohnny9951 .... Depends on the Mechanicus.... They may have... different ideas.
leagues of votann: "what is the true nature of a votann?"
dark age humans: "its just an ordinary flash drive m8"
ive missed the deep dives wes! i know they take forever but they are soooo good! you're one of my reasons of getting into 40k!
They do take a lot of work but I'm happy to make them for yall! I like making stuff people enjoy, it's honestly my primary motivator! :)
@@weshammer normally I'd say pffff, but you legit seem like that type, lol.
You'd do this for free if you could afford to I'd bet.
@@weshammer As long as you don't go back to your tictoc style I will always watch your content.
@@thehermitthetower1126 i actually did for 2 years on tiktok haha! Im not going to lie its a dream come true to actually be able to do this full time as a job, but hanging out in the comments and hearing people say that they enjoyed something I worked hard on Is the most validating thing ever!
@@thehermitman822 The shorts aren't for everyone, they are aimed at people who have never heard of warhammer before to peak their interest and introduce them to this crazy franchise. I make the long form videos for my fellow 40k nerds :)
I remember a segment from the Old squat lore that stats that during the Great Crusade, space marines where sent to a Squat stronghold and where Forced to fight in Claustrophobic tunnels against Rather Durpie looking Squat Terminators, I caped this image in a space in my mind because Now that the -Squats- Votann are now redesigned just still Fluffy lore wise, and that in the range you can have kin equipped with rather bulky Mjölnir styled Power armour.
MK3 power armor was developed to actually fight squats. Also squats were not defeated in the crusade but joined with a treaty similar to the one given to the Adeptus Mechanicus. New lore states tgat only a few leagues actually joined far from the whole leagues
first half of the video: "wheres the grimdark? these guys seem pretty ideal"
>ultra-dementia in their god robots
>mindless greed that supersedes their alleged morals
>lives ultimately kinda lack purpose because they seem to exist only for the sake of continued existence
"ok, there it is"
If Kin's weaponry are mine technology from DAoT age, isn't that mean they just wear Space Marine armor and Terminator armor *CASUALLY* ?
Termenatir armor was basicly farming tools during the golden age.
Yeah, their ballistics are also magnetically assisted, so table top and fluff aside, it should be able to penetrate terminator armor casually as well.
People keep forgetting 90% of the weapons and vehicles was just farm and factory equipment and mining equipment before they became refitted for war even the space crafts was just simply boats to sail space
Somehow you managed to make a very shitty day of mine into a good one with a video about spacedwarfs that feed their ancestors to their gaming laptops thank you
One hour from a master storyteller, this is going to be fun and educational.
Thank you for your hard work Wes!
I've been craving more Votann! Man, you really are tuned into what your audience wants. Love seeing you thrive. Keep up the good work.
Dorn, Ferrus, Vulkan and perty would've tried to communicate with these xenos
And what about Leman Russ?
Both love their beards, beer and hating elves and Orkz.
@@akumaking1 I can see the Kyn and the Space Wolves actually getting along nicely, I wrote a piece of fan lore that details during a mining expedition they find a warp gate beneath Fenris and they alerted the Space Wolves about it leading to them seeing it open up and when they're ready to fight they lower their weapons seeing Leman Russ and Corvus Corax step out the warp gate.
Rogal dorn ? That's a laugh. Guilliman would've tried. Not dorn. Dorn isn't flexible.
These guys and the tau are a breath of wholesome air in a universe of eldritch abominations.
Agreed. You can't have a horror story where everyones a monster
They and the Tau should join forces, really.
Stop
@@MrSinthanthey do already, they’re trading partners/occasional allies
@@lennyztrobos8678 sure you can
Dude your 40k content is beyond amazing!! Wes you are one of the reasons I got into WH40k, you are blessing from the God emperor himself!
This is the reason why I got into 40k and am now learning the lore.
Weshammer is the besthammer
When I look at them all I can say is "rock and stone!"
Leagues of Votann is something that makes me so happy
I have been anticipating the League of Votann lore video every since they came out, and it was definitely worth the wait. Thanks for the great videos.
ROCK AND STONE!
ROCK AND ROLLIN STONE!!!
We're rich!
Wes, please never stop making content. Is this the best thing out there. Your Videos make every day better and i probably watched every of your Videos like 10 times. Thank you!
I love how GW translated the dwarf archetype into 40k. I still remember the old Demiurg concept and really liked the idea of these short xenos rock monsters so I'm using all the craggy heads with my force, but otherwise, it's just exceptional. Theres a different vibe to them while still keeping them 40k and yes that includes the grimdark. I just need more examples of their architecture so I build terrain.
And uh, is Soylent green *Kin*?
I need more architecture, food traditions and more cultural information, I thrist for knowledge.
Same. I'm going to be leaning into the NASA punk vibe with some slight art deco accents. For some reason I wanna have hydroponics and hanging vegetation sprinkled in. But all my basing is going to cratered barren surfaces. None of that really matches what little environment we've seen in the art.
@@graefx There was that one artwork of th Hernkyn Pioneers on an ice world, also yes, I agree, NASApunk with art deco is definetly the way to go, although I'd call it dwarf deco
Hey Wes, I just wanted to say thank you for getting me into this franchise. I saw your video on the summary of the story, and ever since then, I was hooked. Been qatching your videos and others ever since and have been playing the games and reading ever since. You're a true legend of your craft, and I thank you for the work that you do!
The Ancestor Cores are clearly inspired by 'Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy' and the 'Deep Thought' computer.
The IronKin are Robot Bros and I gotta respect that treating them with respect and honor is gonna have a great bond and results too.
Warhammer did was Star Wars never could: Gave their droids rights as sentient beings
From what I hear, Iron kin have the exact same voice as the normal votan
Thx u weshammer for talking about league of Votans lore I hope we can get more lore about them again. Space Dwarf are finally back in the gim dark future.
Plus this is what I think about the league of Votann of Space Dwarf. The song about them th-cam.com/video/_cP_qVtOiGI/w-d-xo.html
I love how despite the length this video never feel boring... Great work
This faction has a lot of parallels with other factions, but especially the tyranids, the hive mind and AI, cloning, mutations for use, resource based…
Since the tyranids are my faction this is an absolute win
An hour of wes hammer!
What a treat😌
I'm new to 40k and your videos have done more to get me in than anything else. So glad to see a full hour on this topic as if I actually got a army I think it may be this one. Got to get Dem orange boys!
I wouldn’t say the iron kin are completely emotionless and are only able too copy emotions.. I believe they have some emotion and even there own thoughts, they just act in the typical robotic fashion you see in kids movies all the time… calculated and logical and all that stuff.
They could feel but they cannot express you mean like that.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 basically yeah
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 Sounds like autistic mode.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 It's more the other way around, they can express emotion in a realistic way, but don't truly feel emotions the way a biological creature does.
@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 AI ... autistic intelligence?
I had just gotten into warhammer within the last month, and I must say, your channel has been an invaluable source of lore information for me, who had no idea where to start or what faction to start with.
Thank you for making these kind of videos for middle aged newbs like myself lol.
Check the Arch too, but like me might want to hold about building or buying army. Learn the game in tabletop sim and look sharply what GW is doing before buying into tabletop. I love the lore but due bullshit of GW i'm not putting money into army at this point.
Adding this one to my Warhammer 40k playlist. Thank you so much for doing these videos!
Currently working on a 1000 pt Votann army that I'll be using in an upcoming tag-team local tourney. Going with the Ymir Conglomerate.
My team-mate is also currently building a 1000 pt Votann army. He's going Kronus Hegemony.
Half shooty. Half stabby. All attitude.
Seeing a Warhammer ad with Weshammer in it before watching this video must be a prophecy.
Been subsribed to you since the time you were making primarily shorts and DAMN you made progress! I really enjoy your narration: it's informative, yet full of emotions to a tasteful degree. Really like your work!
Their story was incredible! I never even HEARD of these guys before! Is there more about them, besides that book you mentioned? IF not, there should be!
Not yet. They are brand new and just got introduced a few months back. I'm sure there are some novels in the works, but the black library has been tight lipped on them so far. Give it time, we will definitely get more lore!
@@weshammer Thank you, Weshammer! Definitely looking forward to the new Lore, when it comes out!
@@weshammer he'll yeah more lore about the badass space dwarf.
I was told the other day, that they used to to be Old Warhammer games, but they got left behind when the series picked up. Although the Votann specifically might be new, and the old ones were probably just Space Dwarves. Lol
They used to be in the early versions of 40k tabletop... They got discontinued after sometime but now they're back... They were called squats before.. and the term squatted came from the time they got discontinued.
I enjoy these longer videos. Makes the long drives into work just a little more bearable. I appreciate you and all you do.
You really went in on this one wes. I honestly think this was your best video to date
The Leagues are a welcome (re)addition to 40K, and I wait with bated breath; for more lore (let's face it, everything we get of them is welcome in my book).
I'm relatively new to the 40k universe. I'm not sure if I'm of a rare breed or very common, but I don't play any of the games or collect any figurines. I just enjoy learning about the lore and universe in general. Anyway, I'd never heard of this faction until today with this video and I gotta say, I think they are my new favorite group!
You and me both! I do play some of the video games though, just cant afford the tabletop.
Common my guy, buying the minis is entering the niche… books is getting into the uncommon
They're actually a VERY new faction, as in within the last 6 months. As someone who's been playing since the end of 7th edition, I look forward to seeing how they develop.
I haven't played tabletop or collected the models in probably at least fifteen years, but I still collect the books, because I love the lore and the artwork in them
@@DethKnightKrieg They aren't a new faction, the Kin or Squats as we knew them way back in the day, have been in 40K since first edition, way back in the late 80's. They were retconned out of existence in third edition and now they have been retconned back in.
We return back to the deep dives with the nasa punk dwarves. Let's go! Now, all I need is some corpse starch flavored popcorn.
DEEP DIVES?
SPACE DWARFS?
ROCK AND?
STONE!
ROCK! AND! STOOONE!
Stoooone and ROCK!
“Psyker” kin: *spams Pk fire*
Chaos marine: h-hey that’s illegal
The Void is in our veins!
ROCK AND STONE!
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE?!
ROCK AND STONE!
WE FIGHT FOR ROCK AND STONE
@@Bass-ef3dr ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE!!
TO THE BOOOOONE
Its good to see the Squats as a serious faction and not just as a joke or meme. Down with heightism aka races such as dwarves being seen as a joke because they are short.
I like how Warhammer worked with that in Fantasy by having that be a substantial grudge due to the disrespect.
This is awesome, i have been wanting to get my Votann army built, but kill team has been keeping me busy, but now you got me all hyped got my dwarves again so i'ma start getting them put together. 😀
I just love the Leagues of Votann! For me their are not just space dwarfs that are kick ass miners. The culture around the Votann and the ancestors. The fact they are clones resembling a large "family". Thier organisation in Kindreds and Leagues. The four pillars. Their will for science and exploration to provide it to the Votann for future generations of Kin to come. Living in honor and courage for their people, while keeping it protected from the outside. That they are not just brainless fighting meat, but that they trade, explore and strive in their Holds. But also, the principle of grudge towards their foes, making them furious warriors is just awesome!
Your ability when you write your scripts for your videos are leagues beyond anyone else doing 40k content! I tried for years to get into Warhammer 40k, but found it almost impossible on my own and the content that was already out was really not my style to put it mildy. Thank you so much, Wes. For introducing me to this wonderful horrible and twisted univers! I'm already looking forward to your next video :D
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Holy shit that whole section about the mad core gives off crazy deep rock vibes, especially with rogue core being in development 🤯
I thought this would be a refresher on most of the lore i heard but there is sooo much details i never knew about in this video
Definitely makes me love the Votann more
This was brilliant. From someone with no knowledge of the race, you presentation was both timely and wonderfully detailed. Many thanks
Votann was always kind of my 40k blindspot so this was really helpful
Always? They where just now introduced.
@@musicisfree91 Well for about a year. And everyone has been talking about them but I’ve kinda been out of the loop
@musicisfree91 They got remastered. They've been in 40k for a while but they weren't in 9th for a long time
working on my own League known as the FMC (Fenrisian Mining Corp) who cooperate alongside the space wolves and wear the same colour armour as them and even have colour coded overalls to signify their occupation to the Corp
Blue - Scout
Red - Engineer
Yellow - Driller
Green - Gunner
Orange - Prisoner/berserker
Black with yellow details - Leaders/Captains
Problem with Wes' theory about the Votann seeing what happened at the end of the Age of Strife and choosing to hide. If they left in Generation Ships then it was before the 18th Millennium, so heeeeeavy early in the dark age.
I love the flexibility that you have when it comes to making your own kin sub faction.
Because the kind don’t have nearly as many societal restrictions as the imperium’s many groups, you can get pretty creative with your own guys.
1:00:00 Vin Diesel for sure plays with the Leages of Votann
Guardsmen chanting "For Cadia" LoV kin meanwhile: Rockin Stone
LET'S SQUASH SOME BUG!!! FOR ROCK AND STONE!!!
Starting to create chaos Votann. This will help me create background for them. Thanks Wes
Me, a 40k novice hears intro: dwarfs, space dwarfs. I like.
Rock and stone
I’m surprised you managed to stretch this video’s length to an hour. It’s amazing you managed to talk about so much from one codex.
What a great video. If I had known about the Votann like this, I would have made them my first Army. Funny enough I went with Orks first.
At least I’ve found my second army hahaha
Best Kin lore on ytube atm, the ancestors are proud Wes
This was fascinating! I heard about these guys but never thought they were so interesting. Might actually look into building an army of these guys
I just got a box of Votann as my first 40K army because I love their look and fluff 😁
This was awesome. I love your long form deep dives. Please don’t stop making them.
You and @majorkill are the reason I'm into Warhammer 40k now
I heard a phrase like that before from the Necromunda game. Something about; “If you're not strong enough to fight for something and it was never really yours in the first place”. Or something along those lines. It was definitely a bit more practical and harsher sounding. Lol
Even though small factions compared to the imperium, orks tyranids etc, if the league and the tau empire joined forces they're technological advancement would be one hell of a threat to other factions
I thank you good sir. This has grown my love for this faction which I have sighted as my first army once I finally get enough money to begin my 40k journey
Warhammer 40K has dwarves? Damn sign me in then. I was always fan of dwarves and I have played as dwarf in every mmo and rpg game I had so these Votann guys sound like a great way to start collecting some 40K miniatures :)
Necromunda Squats are like, we have been here all this time.
So a solution to the Votun question might lie with the Eldar and their Infinity Circuit, as the infinity circuit fulfills a similar purpose to what the dwarves use the Votun for.
So perhaps when they become desperate enough they'll make a deal with the craftworld eldar for the knowledge to make their own version of the infinity circuit.
That would be really cool!
I like this faction more than the other ones honestly, the kinda chills, to the grimdark thing happening around them.
Part of me is like who are you people and what happened to my Warhammer? But another part of me says well they should have been here all along... They're interesting. A forgotten fragment of the dark age of technology. I was honestly shocked when I heard that they used AI. That's interesting.
Seems like this is what the emperor wanted for humanity
I was surprised just how much these space dwarves resonated with me
Fascinating Lore! I originally went with Chaos...but i may change over to these guys! They look as badass as Chaos, but much more fun to paint. Also, i've been looking for a force which look....uniform, and these stout folks in their awesome suits are just that! Amazing! 😂👍
At 14:32…you can turn the picture upside down and it still makes sense😂
A kin with a dead votann that falls to chaos would be a such a cool way of introducing chaos Dwarves
Dude what an absolutely amazing lore vid. I knew next to nothing about the Leagues so this vid really helped me understand more about the way they think and operate,
Been waiting for someone to make LoV lore, thank you for this.
I just got the weshammer add for 40k tactics and I'm so happy he is getting official sponsorships
Makes me wonder what would happen if some chaos shenanigans were to corrupt a core or if a genestealer managed to infect a votann that then got fed into a core (remember they infected a craft world and a grey knight)
The votaan are the ai you mean infect a kin and feed it to a votann
A new WesHammer lore video. Dont mind if I grab some food and chill back to this.
Amazing video my dude. It still amazes me that you can make a hour long video feel like 5 minutes. I blinked and it was over.
my theory is that the kyn is what the ancient texts call the men of stone because the passage that describes them says that they are diminutive in spirit and body, and "as they lived in a state of "Half-Life" they were unaffected by demons of the warp."
Me, a 40k newb: "Where's the evil? No slaves? No bloodlust? *pokes with a stick* come on - do some evil..."
The Leagues of Votann are a great addition to 40k in my opinion. I love what lore we have on them so far and their asethetic is just so appealing to me as well as potentially giving us hints at even more dark age tech thought lost to the Imperium and the Mechanicus. They're one of the best things 40k has done in 9th edition!
Thanks Wes, I have been waiting for this and I am not disappointed. Keep up the good work.
For someone just getting into Warhammer 40k would the Leagues of Votann make for a good army to start off with? They are by far my favorite faction.
I think so. They are a good all rounder without a lot of glaring weaknesses. Imo the hardest army's to play are probably wierd ones like gene stealer cult or Drukhari that rely on ambush tactics and super fast but fragile units. Votann would be a great starter army.
@@weshammer Thanks for the advice dude, now I just need to figure out how I'm going to afford to build my army of space dwarfs lol.
3:40 an opportunity to yell ROCK AND STONE !!! Was missed
Deep dive... dwarves....
ROCK AND STONE!
ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!!!
I hope you are in good health man. Something tells me, you do this entire thing alone, and props to you for it. But this can break many people, so mental health is key