This is the kind of thinking that has everyone thinking if they're not a tenor or soprano, that they've been demoted. It doesn't help that the thinking carries over to the roles where the lower voices such as baritones and basses are villains and mezzos are either witches, bitches or best friends, while the tenors are the heroes and the sopranos are virginal.
What vocal fach you are isn't influenced only by what notes you can sing. Much of it has to do with where where tessurita and passagio are as well as the overall quality (harmonics/overtones) of the voice. Just because you can sing C5, F5, or C6 doesn't make you a tenor necessarily and therefore typing your voice isn't placing limits on how high you can sing.
Actually, it's quite simple: Tenors are special because they do something that the average person cannot. The only reason, I think, that bass singers are not just as popular is because they are much more rare, and because it is much more difficult to be dramatic and have flare when you sing very low. Anyone can sing in tenor ranges if he trains his voice properly.
@mooby12345 That is, my base range seems to be somewhere around A2 to F4. But with the proper vocal training, I can now hit a C5 with almost shrug-worthy ease, and I can consistently hit good F5. Now, just another year or so of training and I'll be worth listening to!
you are totally correct, I guess those who don't agree, and 90 per cent do I think, obviously has something wrong with their hearing. play anyone and then play pavarotti, and the superiority is immediately evident
The excerpt is from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor. It's from the duet "Verranno a te sull'aure..." (The musical excerpt really starts at "Sulla tomba che rinserra...") Hope this helps! :-)
Yes he had a way of saying things, he was a very clever and charming man, I have heard one fellow say, Pavarotti was certainly not a good looking man, so wrong, ask any woman. He was incredibly appealing.Compelling.........
@FinalFrontier321 Thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty new at distinguishing the vocal ranges. And, shee, I'm also jealous of his voice. ha. It's one of the reasons why Rush is so epic overall. I'm a female contralto i believe, a petite one at that, and i can't even come close to holding down and owning a Bb5 like he does.
@FinalFrontier321 Is it because of his vocal range? Is he a tenor? Geddy Lee's timbre is one most people have to acquire a taste for. Fortunately, I acquired the taste. :) hehe
I'm not a singer. I just do it because I'm here alone. hehe But I can sing and I have noticed I can induce some odd resonance doing this or that. Pushing my volume louder I was able to add a little resonance that seemed to be due to that volume or the way I formed my throat along with the volume. I have a baritone voice so I can't really sing up in the tenor range much. I wish I had a higher voice but I have what I have. I'm a good guitar player and decent musician. singing not so much.
That sounds more like dramatic tenors who sang down as baritones, rather than the reverse. Although, dramatic tenors have quite a bit of ring. I can't see a true baritone who signs in theater, at the volume of production needed, sustaining higher range. If they can, then they are more likely tenors who possess a dark sound with more on the bottom. Usually though, those tenors have less on the very top and shy away from certain pieces.
That's known as "timbre". you might want to look it up. Each "instrument" has a unique sound due to the fact that more or less frequencies exist for any given note or sound. Violins are bright, scratchy and midrangy because of their physical structure and the way the strings are played. timbre. A baritone singing deep has a more ROUND timbre. A tenor will have more high frequencies and some even more pronounced. "energy". hahahah
@brennanwalsh Also, when you get trained classically....That deals with your natural placement, meaning whatever is effortless, on pitch, resonant and powerful. You see, that would be the key. Bass-Baritones would go off pitch and and sound stressed and unnatural if they attempt the Tenor range and it would be better off in a falsetto. A vocal teacher I have had in high school and she even did vocal assessments with me told me this.
@mooby12345 A tenor's high notes will generally sound more full than a baritone's high notes; whereas a baritone's low notes will sound more deep and rich than a tenor's low notes.
is a tenor. A baritone singing the same thing will sound much different than him singing the verse to Scientist. Remember , a good trained ear (voice training) should be able to tell if a tenor is a tenor without hearing notes above the tenor passage note. Try to understand what I'm trying to say before you give it a quick reply :) A tenor singing an E will sound different than a baritone singing an E or D or C# etc.. I agree with you all on the point that right now he can't deliver a high C
I'm not 49 years old. And what's hopeless is me trying to get you to understand that you're actually saying what I said in the first place but in different words.
what exactly is the difference between baritones and tenors? if know it's not just range since there are plenty of baritones who can sing high C and above
continued, there are a few exception like Jonas Kaufmann, his voice is dark, but he has a very small voice. The flip side to that is Mario Del Monaco, who was dark but had the most brilliant middle register, who was Stentorian. He could be heard easily over 100 people. From people I talked to who seen him, his middle was Gigantic. But with that much power, how much can he be left with on the top? B natural? Maybe C? Not much though. He was not usually hitting the crazy top that often.
@brennanwalsh Normally, if there Bass-Baritones, they are told NOT to sing higher notes than F#4 or even G4 by vocal coaches. They would very likely squeeze, throat, strain and go off pitch simply because that is NOT where there NATURAL voice should be. Most Guys/Dudes/Men/Males that I know that sing are underneath that category and they don't bother going higher than that range...They just use a falsetto. I don't really know too many Tenors, lol.
I hate being a tenor. I absolutely despise how thin my voice gets when I take high notes without distortion. I want to be a high baritone man. Their voices sound much better on the high register/mix.
Hi. Yes, it's from a benefit concert he gave for the New York philharmonic with Zubin mehta 1980. He is in absolute top form throughout, amazing stuff i assure you. When i get my disk drive working i will post the whole thing.
Here are some passagio points.The lyric tenor's zona passagio falls between D4 and G4, the baritenor between C4 and F4, and the lyric baritone between B3 and E4. No offense taken Phewson. My most recent voice teacher claims that I am a tenor who has been singing in the wrong vocal fach for the last 16 yrs. So at the time,I'm trying to make a transition from bari to tenor!. Have a good day.
he had a true love for mankind people might not know how much he gave to charity free concerts, concert proceeding, hospitals and schools he build, music centre. he sponsored a voice competition every year to help young singers, many of whom are singing today and give him credit for their careers. plus there are hundreds of stories of singular kindnesses he did for people as he encountered them on his way........an extraordinary man. @@Krezo200
Well, you cannot definitely determine ones voice type if you hadnt auditioned him. Wikipedia mentions that Freddy could sing sustained G2, it is quite low for a tenor.And his high notes wasnt so tenorish :), but it actually doesnt say anything, because some tenors doesnt have good high notes, but they still tenors. I dont know exactly is he a tenor, it is just my opinion. But if you have any links, that disprove - i'll be appreciate for it.
the arias he sung only ever went from low C to the high D, or falsetto high F- however wouldn't surprise me if he could go further into the second octave and much higher with his falsetto, the F just sounds so easy and free
george tester I’ve heard Pavarotti exclaim (like a sports event kinda ‘wooo’ sound) up to a B5. So it is very possible he could control it. And his lowest note he has sang is a G2.
Not by timbre of course normally a tenor/baritone are differentiated by their passage notes. Baritones start covering Es while Tenors Cover Gs. But what I meant to say is that Buble's technique/breath control is much better than Chris Martin's so a healthy comparison can't be made. But you can still tell that Chris Martin has a higher voice overall than Buble and Buble's a lyric baritone. If Chris Martin had good technique he'd be pushing Cs, C#s lol but that is to be seen.
I agree the tenor voice is supreme on the operatic stage, but not the pop stage, the baritone rules. Do you doubt it ? Look at this, Dean Martin, Nat King Cole, Vic Damone, Bing Crosby, Billy Eckstine, Matt Monro, Bobby Darin, Bobby Rydell, Al Martino, Sammy Davis jr., Jack Jones, Mel Torme, and of course, the most popular baritone of them all, Frank Sinatra!. There is not enough space to name all the popular baritones. Good Post.
@MmetalworksS That's correct, it's about the colour of the voice and the agility in that range. But there are no baritones who can sing those notes(Milnes will give a B very rarely and even then with his crazy technique you can tell he's struggling)Freddie's not a baritone.. it's very obvious.
Id like to be a tenor, but you gotta work with what youve got, Ive extended my range by 5 semi tones since last year, so it is possible to sing tenor notes if your a bass/baritone, practice :)
Typically, a pop singer doesn't create so as many overtones as an opera singer. This has much to do with the technique. The way that opera singers develop their sound positions their voice in such a way that the overtones come (essentially) automatically. Of course, Pavarotti had some physical advantages, mainly the fact that his head was so large that there was simply more room to put the air and more mass that could resonate.
most pop stars can barely carry a tune, pavarotti had simply put, the best natural normally beautiful voice, plus 7 years of training, plus unusually large resonating chambers only a few are in the face, the rest of the body, chest lungs throat etc., plus is concentration diction and control and technique. most of the pop stars that sang with him were backstage shaking in terror at singing with an obviously superior voice,
@Taenyr Elvis Presley, Bing Crosby, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, and Barry White as a bass. Obviously bassist are not popular because there are so few, but the other four are singing legends, and if you couldn't think of them, I don't know what to say.
There is nothing to understand. Your point is wrong. She's not talking about CREATED frequencies but AMPLIFIED. And the human voice -especially the tenor voice- creates a huge bump of energy above 2500 Hz.
You can't know that :) It is true he doesn't hit a forte above Ab, which could mean two things, he either can't hit a C because it's not in his mixed range (he's not a tenor) or he isn't using his voice/breath correct enough to hit a C which is in his actual range (he's a tenor). If you listen to him in Scientist, singing the verses and have your voice teacher (if you have one) listen to it, a good teacher will tell you that he is a tenor because you can tell from colour of his voice that he
@Phewson60 I'm sorry, but yes, some people are just born with an operatic talent. No one is going into training/learning/studying/perfecting if they have no sign of somewhat of an operatic voice. Most people, even with training, can become a good, natural sounding, opera singer.
A true baritone singing grand opera can't sustain the tessitura of a tenor. Opera singers who sing in grand opera must sustain large volumes of resonance and sound throughout the voice. Now there are dramatic tenors who sound baritone or have deeper sound, but those are dramatic tenors and have the ability to hit higher notes, but even they have less top then say a light lyric.
@nicktabus1000 Talent is a very very different thing. But physically/technically anyone can sing opera if they study enough (10-15 years) they might not always be interesting of course but they can sing it.
I do understand you. But HOW those resonant frequencies are formed is one thing. WHAT they are and whether they exist in other sounds is another. Yes, I have done the same thing. PUsh the voice so hard it actually begins to create new frequencies that really are not coming from the vocal cords as much as the resonating of the entire throat. Those Tuvan throat singers are one example of how you can get really weird sounds with just a throat.
Clapton is definitely a tenor, try having a lyric baritone sing Layla and see what happens to their voice :). I'm not trying to be rude or anything, it's just that I know what I'm talking about, I'm a tenor myself but that's another story. And sherom mate, I'm very sorry if I came across as mean or rude or anything I just thought that your statement "Baritones rule on the pop stage" was a bit too bold. I agree that not all important voices aren't tenors but let's not say baritones are better :)
@AtariMaxiToriyama Oh btw check out the new Coldplay single "Every Tear is a Waterfall" He hits As there : ) Seems he's been working. He used to struggle with Abs before but these seems very decent.
I WANNA BE A TENOR but I'm a Countertenor says vocal coaches. They also say that there is nothing Tenor about me. It's totally impossible because I cannot belt and I have no belt voice as it seems.
dammit. my bad. I forgot to give you the final say. So, this comment won't have anything of substance in it (I'm sure you can't wait to add - NOR DID YOUR PREVIOUS ONES!). So, I'm a nice guy but when someone challenges me and calls me ignorant about a topic I actually know a little about, it makes me want to reply. So, Pavarotti has more "bite" in his notes. Louder harmonics around 2-3k. more energy in that range THAN OTHER TENORS, not than other anything on earth. ok, i'll shut up now
@mooby12345 I understand. Even Kevin Richards, a vocal instructor, said that he sometimes likes it when there is some obvious effort going into a high note. Sometimes it makes it seem more powerful. This is why falsetto is boring. And when you said "falsetto" I'm fairly certain you mean "head voice," unless you're talking about the weak, airy falsetto that novices will break into when they can't sing any higher. But if you are trained properly, there will be no strain.
when you look at ceasare siepi or leonard warren or franco corelli you will realize that the voice makes no difference because if you are a legend you can be a bass or a baritone or a tenor its really doesnt matter
+George Sofialidis It does matter-for 150 years or so the tenor voice is the source of excitement and the big bucks-didn't you listen to the piece? Corelli was, of course, a tenor-obviously two of the most famous singers in history-the 2 probably the only two known by the general public were Caruso and Pavarotti
you have obviously no idea about the world of opera .I am i an opera singer and i am a tenor and bielive me it doesnt matter if you are a tenor or a bass but only if you are a good singer .
+George Sofialidis You obviously didn't watch the video, or you just miss the whole point. And because you sing in the shower or something,doesn't mean your brain stops functioning. The point was even, baritones-Milnes-admit the appeal and excitement of the tenor voice. Why don't you even acknowledge that? Nobody said that other voice types aren't great singers and artists.....
+Labienus Milnes admit this because he is not a great baritone because there is no more excitement in tenor voice than the others . I have seen a performance of la boheme and the tenor was bad and all the applause was taken by the bass because with his last aria vecchia zimarra moved the audiance something the tenor didnt even though he was the leading role . And because i dont sing in the bath but i am a professional singer it have happened to take less money than the baritone in the opera because this baritone was famous on this role. Obviously you have not ever singed in a theater or you are not even a singer so i dont find a reason to convince you. Keep your thoughts....
+George Sofialidis If you are actually a singer you should be smart enough to understand the point here-I would guess you can but are just being silly. And saying you are means nothing here-it's what you actually say that counts. Milnes was a great baritone-at least for the first 14 years of his career. Today he would be a super star. *by the way I saw and heard Milnes during his great years at the Met-at least know what you are talking about.) What a silly example-obviously if the tenor was inadequate, of course others would get more applause I happen to like all voice types-but the fact is that sopranos and tenors are the biggest names and stars
@brennanwalsh The ability to sing high or low notes is NOT always a good sign for placing voices accordingly...The vocal coach would be smart enough to find the natural placement before they are put in categories. The only 2 reasons for tension and strain is because of 2 possibilities...Improper vocal placement/technique or incorrect vocal category. If you were trained or inclined classically, you would be well aware of that. I seriously hope you realize that.
It's my mistake wasting my time here .. but oh well. Noone is born with an operatic voice. An operatic tenor or baritone or whatever voice category is someone who's perfected their technique and strengthened their voice muscles (diaphragm etc) after years of constant exercise. So yes, Freddie was not an operatic tenor, but he could have been if he wanted/practiced for it. Please read twice before replying Inquisitive :) Thanks
May i share. As a vocal teacher let me say that tenor, baritone and bass are all classifications based on their respective lowest note to highest note. THERE IS NO SUPERIOR type of voice here. Even notes go in circles CDEFGABCEFGABC etc.. Its just the matter of which part you are in.
@Phewson60 Don't you HATE when that happens? Someone is PASSIONATELY arguing against you, so certain that you are wrong and he must correct you -- by saying the exact same thing you already said, but in different words.
A tenor hitting an F will produce a very different sound than a baritone hitting F, and yes they may sound very close if the tenor's in bad shape but of course less powerful than a baritone would. So understand this : Barry Gibb is a tenor, with a terrible technique he can't cover high notes but that doesn' t make him a baritone he's still a tenor no matter what you're born with your voice range, how you use it is another story. You may call these guys tenors singing in baritone range .
Philster, I really don't mean to be rude but I'm going to teach you something valuable now (If you're in the music business it'll be very handy). When you refer to a singer as tenor/baritone/bass, you're not talking about their singing range but their real voice . It's like blood, a physical thing you can't change. A tenor might not be hitting As because of terrible breathing/bad technique but he's still a tenor and you can tell that from his timbre while hitting Fs etc.
Pavarotti is the best tenor of all times!!! I miss you Maestro!!!
The tenor voice is the best. And nobody is better then Pavorati !!
Can hardly believe its 10 years since Pavarotti left us......
Sherill mills demonstrates what a great artist he is ,setting his own ego and truly great voice aside to deliver a balanced view ..
Thank you 🤗
This is the kind of thinking that has everyone thinking if they're not a tenor or soprano, that they've been demoted. It doesn't help that the thinking carries over to the roles where the lower voices such as baritones and basses are villains and mezzos are either witches, bitches or best friends, while the tenors are the heroes and the sopranos are virginal.
Mezzos are witches or bitches ... LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why not work to gain those notes, to mix your voice?
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What vocal fach you are isn't influenced only by what notes you can sing. Much of it has to do with where where tessurita and passagio are as well as the overall quality (harmonics/overtones) of the voice.
Just because you can sing C5, F5, or C6 doesn't make you a tenor necessarily and therefore typing your voice isn't placing limits on how high you can sing.
IF a tenor has a powerfull voice, a beautifull color,all the notes along with supreme technice HE IS THE BEST VOICE!
and that would be pavarotti best male voice of all time says Leone magi era, who really does know.
Actually, it's quite simple: Tenors are special because they do something that the average person cannot. The only reason, I think, that bass singers are not just as popular is because they are much more rare, and because it is much more difficult to be dramatic and have flare when you sing very low. Anyone can sing in tenor ranges if he trains his voice properly.
@mooby12345 That is, my base range seems to be somewhere around A2 to F4. But with the proper vocal training, I can now hit a C5 with almost shrug-worthy ease, and I can consistently hit good F5. Now, just another year or so of training and I'll be worth listening to!
Did anyone catch Pav getting out of the Limo and The Baritone Dude getting off the train...
The shade..
That baritone dude is singing LEGEND Sherrill Milnes!
What a voice!
There's nothing like a tenor voice is better or superior to the bass or baritone........ All voices, if singing freely, seem beautiful
Not on stage.
@@jorgemirandalopez3264 Ugh it's subjective man!
Amen to that! I speak simply. Anyone who does not think that Pavarotti, has the most beautiful voice, on this planet...has no soul. :-)
you are totally correct, I guess those who don't agree, and 90 per cent do I think, obviously has something wrong with their hearing. play anyone and then play pavarotti, and the superiority is immediately evident
The excerpt is from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor. It's from the duet "Verranno a te sull'aure..." (The musical excerpt really starts at "Sulla tomba che rinserra...")
Hope this helps! :-)
"....a little and sometimes not a little... a little more!" lol
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Grande Luciano!
Yes he had a way of saying things, he was a very clever and charming man, I have heard one fellow say, Pavarotti was certainly not a good looking man, so wrong, ask any woman. He was incredibly appealing.Compelling.........
yes I noticed that, the ultimate flirt.
@FinalFrontier321 Thanks for the clarification. I'm pretty new at distinguishing the vocal ranges. And, shee, I'm also jealous of his voice. ha. It's one of the reasons why Rush is so epic overall. I'm a female contralto i believe, a petite one at that, and i can't even come close to holding down and owning a Bb5 like he does.
@FinalFrontier321 Is it because of his vocal range? Is he a tenor? Geddy Lee's timbre is one most people have to acquire a taste for. Fortunately, I acquired the taste. :) hehe
I'm not a singer. I just do it because I'm here alone. hehe But I can sing and I have noticed I can induce some odd resonance doing this or that. Pushing my volume louder I was able to add a little resonance that seemed to be due to that volume or the way I formed my throat along with the volume. I have a baritone voice so I can't really sing up in the tenor range much. I wish I had a higher voice but I have what I have. I'm a good guitar player and decent musician. singing not so much.
And we Basses are just the echo like! And of all of tenors Pavarotti is the "GOD".
@paulipaz Geddy Lee is a very high tenor C#2-Bb5 in full which is pretty epic. I'm pretty jealous of his voice:)
That sounds more like dramatic tenors who sang down as baritones, rather than the reverse. Although, dramatic tenors have quite a bit of ring. I can't see a true baritone who signs in theater, at the volume of production needed, sustaining higher range. If they can, then they are more likely tenors who possess a dark sound with more on the bottom. Usually though, those tenors have less on the very top and shy away from certain pieces.
The tenor voice matches the timbre with the TENOR SAXOPHONE!!!
the human voice is a far finer and more varied an instrument than any instrument man made/
Even if this is certainly true, I swear that I'd have lost myself if I'd found Sherrill Milnes in the metro
That's known as "timbre". you might want to look it up. Each "instrument" has a unique sound due to the fact that more or less frequencies exist for any given note or sound. Violins are bright, scratchy and midrangy because of their physical structure and the way the strings are played. timbre. A baritone singing deep has a more ROUND timbre. A tenor will have more high frequencies and some even more pronounced. "energy". hahahah
@brennanwalsh Also, when you get trained classically....That deals with your natural placement, meaning whatever is effortless, on pitch, resonant and powerful. You see, that would be the key. Bass-Baritones would go off pitch and and sound stressed and unnatural if they attempt the Tenor range and it would be better off in a falsetto. A vocal teacher I have had in high school and she even did vocal assessments with me told me this.
Yay tenors! Tenors rock.
But it must be a nice enough job,some days, sitting and listening to the most beautiful music in the world- if it doesn't spoil the magic for them.
@mooby12345 A tenor's high notes will generally sound more full than a baritone's high notes; whereas a baritone's low notes will sound more deep and rich than a tenor's low notes.
is a tenor. A baritone singing the same thing will sound much different than him singing the verse to Scientist. Remember , a good trained ear (voice training) should be able to tell if a tenor is a tenor without hearing notes above the tenor passage note. Try to understand what I'm trying to say before you give it a quick reply :) A tenor singing an E will sound different than a baritone singing an E or D or C# etc.. I agree with you all on the point that right now he can't deliver a high C
Voice type depends not only on range, but also on passaggio and timbre. And the timbre is the most important sing in opera
I'm not 49 years old. And what's hopeless is me trying to get you to understand that you're actually saying what I said in the first place but in different words.
True but songs help you get a general sense of the voice category usually.
I want to a great tenor , it going take my whole
Life
To be?
Great video I totally agree!
I AM A TENOR FOR MY SELF. AND I STUDY WITH THE GREAT MAESTRO ONE OF THEM IS GREAT CORELLI. I THINK TENORS ARE LUCKY .
Milnes and Pavarotti=AWESOME
My god, my throat hurts just listening to this..
what exactly is the difference between baritones and tenors? if know it's not just range since there are plenty of baritones who can sing high C and above
It’s timbre and the fact that baritones can’t reach that high with their chest voice.
continued,
there are a few exception like Jonas Kaufmann, his voice is dark, but he has a very small voice.
The flip side to that is Mario Del Monaco, who was dark but had the most brilliant middle register, who was Stentorian. He could be heard easily over 100 people.
From people I talked to who seen him, his middle was Gigantic. But with that much power, how much can he be left with on the top? B natural? Maybe C? Not much though. He was not usually hitting the crazy top that often.
Will someone please tell me what the song on 1:04 is the Act 1 duet from Lucia Di Lammermoor.
@brennanwalsh Normally, if there Bass-Baritones, they are told NOT to sing higher notes than F#4 or even G4 by vocal coaches. They would very likely squeeze, throat, strain and go off pitch simply because that is NOT where there NATURAL voice should be. Most Guys/Dudes/Men/Males that I know that sing are underneath that category and they don't bother going higher than that range...They just use a falsetto. I don't really know too many Tenors, lol.
I hate being a tenor. I absolutely despise how thin my voice gets when I take high notes without distortion. I want to be a high baritone man. Their voices sound much better on the high register/mix.
Hi. Yes, it's from a benefit concert he gave for the New York philharmonic with Zubin mehta 1980. He is in absolute top form throughout, amazing stuff i assure you. When i get my disk drive working i will post the whole thing.
4:30 to 4:55
And the look at 4:52 is priceless. :)
Is this true? I mean is this also like this with the pop singers (please don't get off topic while commenting), or is this only for opera singers.
Here are some passagio points.The lyric tenor's zona passagio falls between D4 and G4, the baritenor between C4 and F4, and the lyric baritone between B3 and E4. No offense taken Phewson. My most recent voice teacher claims that I am a tenor who has been singing in the wrong vocal fach for the last 16 yrs. So at the time,I'm trying to make a transition from bari to tenor!. Have a good day.
Lol good one StratApple. Got me laughing real hard.
The look at 1:33 to 1:43.
Every woman over 21 wants to be looked at like that at least once in her life.
jenni claire he‘s very emotional during his singing
he had a true love for mankind people might not know how much he gave to charity free concerts, concert proceeding, hospitals and schools he build, music centre. he sponsored a voice competition every year to help young singers, many of whom are singing today and give him credit for their careers. plus there are hundreds of stories of singular kindnesses he did for people as he encountered them on his way........an extraordinary man.
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he had the moves, the lady that acted iwht him in his bad good movie said he was a great kisser hahahaha
You guys crack me up :P
Well, you cannot definitely determine ones voice type if you hadnt auditioned him. Wikipedia mentions that Freddy could sing sustained G2, it is quite low for a tenor.And his high notes wasnt so tenorish :), but it actually doesnt say anything, because some tenors doesnt have good high notes, but they still tenors.
I dont know exactly is he a tenor, it is just my opinion. But if you have any links, that disprove - i'll be appreciate for it.
david phelps greatest tenor of the century. best tone, great power great range. perfect vocal control. does anyone know what was pavarotti's range?
the arias he sung only ever went from low C to the high D, or falsetto high F- however wouldn't surprise me if he could go further into the second octave and much higher with his falsetto, the F just sounds so easy and free
george tester I’ve heard Pavarotti exclaim (like a sports event kinda ‘wooo’ sound) up to a B5. So it is very possible he could control it. And his lowest note he has sang is a G2.
david phelps greatest tenor of the century. best tone, great power great range
Not by timbre of course normally a tenor/baritone are differentiated by their passage notes. Baritones start covering Es while Tenors Cover Gs. But what I meant to say is that Buble's technique/breath control is much better than Chris Martin's so a healthy comparison can't be made. But you can still tell that Chris Martin has a higher voice overall than Buble and Buble's a lyric baritone. If Chris Martin had good technique he'd be pushing Cs, C#s lol but that is to be seen.
I agree the tenor voice is supreme on the operatic stage, but not the pop stage, the baritone rules. Do you doubt it ? Look at this, Dean Martin, Nat King Cole, Vic Damone, Bing Crosby, Billy Eckstine, Matt Monro, Bobby Darin, Bobby Rydell, Al Martino, Sammy Davis jr., Jack Jones, Mel Torme, and of course, the most popular baritone of them all, Frank Sinatra!. There is not enough space to name all the popular baritones. Good Post.
@MmetalworksS That's correct, it's about the colour of the voice and the agility in that range. But there are no baritones who can sing those notes(Milnes will give a B very rarely and even then with his crazy technique you can tell he's struggling)Freddie's not a baritone.. it's very obvious.
Pavarotti was a tenor right?
Id like to be a tenor, but you gotta work with what youve got, Ive extended my range by 5 semi tones since last year, so it is possible to sing tenor notes if your a bass/baritone, practice :)
Typically, a pop singer doesn't create so as many overtones as an opera singer. This has much to do with the technique. The way that opera singers develop their sound positions their voice in such a way that the overtones come (essentially) automatically. Of course, Pavarotti had some physical advantages, mainly the fact that his head was so large that there was simply more room to put the air and more mass that could resonate.
most pop stars can barely carry a tune, pavarotti had simply put, the best natural normally beautiful voice, plus 7 years of training, plus unusually large resonating chambers only a few are in the face, the rest of the body, chest lungs throat etc., plus is concentration diction and control and technique. most of the pop stars that sang with him were backstage shaking in terror at singing with an obviously superior voice,
@nicktabus1000 Geddy Lee rarely used falsetto untill this decade. Check his vocal range video C#2 to Bb5 in a full connected voice.
comparing teddy lee and pavarotti is like comparing a guitar made out of a cigar box and a les Paul
@FinalFrontier321 Not singing in classical/opera technique. Obviously using falsetto?
@Taenyr Elvis Presley, Bing Crosby, Johnny Cash, Frank Sinatra, and Barry White as a bass. Obviously bassist are not popular because there are so few, but the other four are singing legends, and if you couldn't think of them, I don't know what to say.
what's the song that Luciano Pavarotti sing at 2:44 ??
anyone can help me ?
BryanSlashed Vesti la giubba
There is nothing to understand. Your point is wrong. She's not talking about CREATED frequencies but AMPLIFIED. And the human voice -especially the tenor voice- creates a huge bump of energy above 2500 Hz.
You can't know that :) It is true he doesn't hit a forte above Ab, which could mean two things, he either can't hit a C because it's not in his mixed range (he's not a tenor) or he isn't using his voice/breath correct enough to hit a C which is in his actual range (he's a tenor). If you listen to him in Scientist, singing the verses and have your voice teacher (if you have one) listen to it, a good teacher will tell you that he is a tenor because you can tell from colour of his voice that he
@Phewson60 I'm sorry, but yes, some people are just born with an operatic talent. No one is going into training/learning/studying/perfecting if they have no sign of somewhat of an operatic voice. Most people, even with training, can become a good, natural sounding, opera singer.
A true baritone singing grand opera can't sustain the tessitura of a tenor. Opera singers who sing in grand opera must sustain large volumes of resonance and sound throughout the voice. Now there are dramatic tenors who sound baritone or have deeper sound, but those are dramatic tenors and have the ability to hit higher notes, but even they have less top then say a light lyric.
Dramatic tenors are just baritones who are wannabe tenors
@nicktabus1000 Talent is a very very different thing. But physically/technically anyone can sing opera if they study enough (10-15 years) they might not always be interesting of course but they can sing it.
I love the tenor voice...Pavorotti is the best ever. I love to sing check out my rendition of the Lord's Prayer
That is zona di passaggio... sorry for the incorrect spelling.
very very good!
I do understand you. But HOW those resonant frequencies are formed is one thing. WHAT they are and whether they exist in other sounds is another. Yes, I have done the same thing. PUsh the voice so hard it actually begins to create new frequencies that really are not coming from the vocal cords as much as the resonating of the entire throat. Those Tuvan throat singers are one example of how you can get really weird sounds with just a throat.
Clapton is definitely a tenor, try having a lyric baritone sing Layla and see what happens to their voice :). I'm not trying to be rude or anything, it's just that I know what I'm talking about, I'm a tenor myself but that's another story. And sherom mate, I'm very sorry if I came across as mean or rude or anything I just thought that your statement "Baritones rule on the pop stage" was a bit too bold. I agree that not all important voices aren't tenors but let's not say baritones are better :)
@AlexNOSAM yeah I really dislike being a bass since I can almost not sing a long to ANY songs that I enjoy
@AtariMaxiToriyama Oh btw check out the new Coldplay single "Every Tear is a Waterfall" He hits As there : ) Seems he's been working. He used to struggle with Abs before but these seems very decent.
I WANNA BE A TENOR but I'm a Countertenor says vocal coaches. They also say that there is nothing Tenor about me. It's totally impossible because I cannot belt and I have no belt voice as it seems.
And despite his voice type he is still great singer!
Anyone know where Luciano's Vesti La Guibba in this clip is from?
Does anybody know the title of the song Mario Lanza's singing @2:42? I'd love to sing it :D
Thank you
Te adoro osito mio 💯💋
Is this from a larger documentary?
dammit. my bad. I forgot to give you the final say. So, this comment won't have anything of substance in it (I'm sure you can't wait to add - NOR DID YOUR PREVIOUS ONES!).
So, I'm a nice guy but when someone challenges me and calls me ignorant about a topic I actually know a little about, it makes me want to reply. So, Pavarotti has more "bite" in his notes. Louder harmonics around 2-3k. more energy in that range THAN OTHER TENORS, not than other anything on earth. ok, i'll shut up now
@mooby12345 I understand. Even Kevin Richards, a vocal instructor, said that he sometimes likes it when there is some obvious effort going into a high note. Sometimes it makes it seem more powerful. This is why falsetto is boring. And when you said "falsetto" I'm fairly certain you mean "head voice," unless you're talking about the weak, airy falsetto that novices will break into when they can't sing any higher. But if you are trained properly, there will be no strain.
Pavarotti asfalta tutti.
What I would do! To sing like that.
what song is mario singing?
when you look at ceasare siepi or leonard warren or franco corelli you will realize that the voice makes no difference because if you are a legend you can be a bass or a baritone or a tenor its really doesnt matter
+George Sofialidis
It does matter-for 150 years or so the tenor voice is the source of excitement and the big bucks-didn't you listen to the piece? Corelli was, of course, a tenor-obviously two of the most famous singers in history-the 2 probably the only two known by the general public were Caruso and Pavarotti
you have obviously no idea about the world of opera .I am i an opera singer and i am a tenor and bielive me it doesnt matter if you are a tenor or a bass but only if you are a good singer .
+George Sofialidis
You obviously didn't watch the video, or you just miss the whole point. And because you sing in the shower or something,doesn't mean your brain stops functioning. The point was even, baritones-Milnes-admit the appeal and excitement of the tenor voice. Why don't you even acknowledge that? Nobody said that other voice types aren't great singers and artists.....
+Labienus Milnes admit this because he is not a great baritone because there is no more excitement in tenor voice than the others . I have seen a performance of la boheme and the tenor was bad and all the applause was taken by the bass because with his last aria vecchia zimarra moved the audiance something the tenor didnt even though he was the leading role . And because i dont sing in the bath but i am a professional singer it have happened to take less money than the baritone in the opera because this baritone was famous on this role. Obviously you have not ever singed in a theater or you are not even a singer so i dont find a reason to convince you. Keep your thoughts....
+George Sofialidis
If you are actually a singer you should be smart enough to understand the point here-I would guess you can but are just being silly. And saying you are means nothing here-it's what you actually say that counts.
Milnes was a great baritone-at least for the first 14 years of his career. Today he would be a super star. *by the way I saw and heard Milnes during his great years at the Met-at least know what you are talking about.)
What a silly example-obviously if the tenor was inadequate, of course others would get more applause
I happen to like all voice types-but the fact is that sopranos and tenors are the biggest names and stars
It's Freddie not Freddy. And if he's not a tenor, noone is :) Well he is a counter-tenor but that still is a tenor.
It is wrong to judge of the voice by the singing a song. One can lighten its voice, or vice versa - darken it. One can use improper technique.
@brennanwalsh The ability to sing high or low notes is NOT always a good sign for placing voices accordingly...The vocal coach would be smart enough to find the natural placement before they are put in categories. The only 2 reasons for tension and strain is because of 2 possibilities...Improper vocal placement/technique or incorrect vocal category. If you were trained or inclined classically, you would be well aware of that. I seriously hope you realize that.
It's my mistake wasting my time here .. but oh well. Noone is born with an operatic voice. An operatic tenor or baritone or whatever voice category is someone who's perfected their technique and strengthened their voice muscles (diaphragm etc) after years of constant exercise. So yes, Freddie was not an operatic tenor, but he could have been if he wanted/practiced for it. Please read twice before replying Inquisitive :) Thanks
I think is Verrano a Te.
May i share. As a vocal teacher let me say that tenor, baritone and bass are all classifications based on their respective lowest note to highest note. THERE IS NO SUPERIOR type of voice here. Even notes go in circles CDEFGABCEFGABC etc.. Its just the matter of which part you are in.
I want to show love for the other tenors. I’m a tenor myself.
@trombo8 thanks for your help :D
what is the song called at 1:15
@Phewson60 Don't you HATE when that happens? Someone is PASSIONATELY arguing against you, so certain that you are wrong and he must correct you -- by saying the exact same thing you already said, but in different words.
A tenor hitting an F will produce a very different sound than a baritone hitting F, and yes they may sound very close if the tenor's in bad shape but of course less powerful than a baritone would. So understand this : Barry Gibb is a tenor, with a terrible technique he can't cover high notes but that doesn' t make him a baritone he's still a tenor no matter what you're born with your voice range, how you use it is another story. You may call these guys tenors singing in baritone range .
I tought at beginning that i am on Symphony of Destruction video xD
Philster, I really don't mean to be rude but I'm going to teach you something valuable now (If you're in the music business it'll be very handy). When you refer to a singer as tenor/baritone/bass, you're not talking about their singing range but their real voice . It's like blood, a physical thing you can't change. A tenor might not be hitting As because of terrible breathing/bad technique but he's still a tenor and you can tell that from his timbre while hitting Fs etc.