@@thebadwolf3088 of course not, but take 2 has been hiding behind them doing anti consumer things for years, getting away with it, its like blaming the cook for food being undercooked while the boss is screaming down their necks to get it done in the next 2 minutes
Rockstar still rightfully takes blame for the things they have repeatedly done. Its not always the overlords that are at fault. Bungie and Activision for example. After the split Bungie got worse showing it wasn't Activisions fault.
@@negan2714 activision wasnt at fault? im guessing you think crunch time is ok then, and I didnt say they had no fault, 2k have been hiding behind them doing shitty things like suing for mods
@@thebadwolf3088 Rockstar isn't innocent but they are not the problem they must do whatever Take Two tells them to do they can't just say "Nah we are not doing that" they Must. they have a contract with Take Two those Two Takes Bastards are taking them hostages at this point whether they like it or not, I mean you can't get off a contract so easily you know, they can't do shit. Don't you remember when something like this happened to Smash, yeah those TH-camrs yes them do you remember what happened to them? this is the exact same shit but even worse now.
So Take-Two is probably in charge of GTA Online. One the most anti-consumer online games I've ever wasted my life on, through game design and business. Honestly though, wouldn't surprise me.
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TakeTwo is ultimately responsible for the mess (with less to lose and most to gain), but I wouldn't be surprised that Rockstar Games is suffering an internal collapse with morale and quality control, with Dan Houser and many others leaving the development company in a huff over T2's narrow minded and outdated business decisions (with Sam Houser partly to blame and not having more of a backbone with T2 execs/shareholders).
You know, I think the biggest problem was that the small team focused on these THREE at the same time, had they focused on each title and released it early at lets say 30 bucks, the games would be better polished (in theory), they would've got more money (Since all would be 90 bucks instead of 60 bucks for all 3) and they would've got 3 christmas season launches. It woul've been better for everyone, but instead they rushed 3 half-assed ports and in the end had to pull it out from sales. Great job.
Doubt it. It isn't the first time they touch the GTA games and every time they do, it ends up in a disaster. Back then they only remastered San Andreas and it was known as the worst version out there... until the Definitive Edition arrived. Rockstar's older games and even GTA IV & RDR1 have absolutely horrible code. Changing them usually creates a lot of problems and headaches. GSG needed to be supervised by some of the old programmers who actually worked on the classic trilogy to help them out.
This is exactly why you've got my sub Hex, you actually go into the nitty gritty details behind disasters like the GTA Definitive Trilogy or the Saints Row Reboot. Most people on the surface wouldn't have a clue about how little Rockstar Games, or any other big name publishers under the Take Two umbrella for that matter, have to do with disaster 'Remasters' or 'Reboots' like this. The GTA 'Definitive Edition' is nothing more than a corporate cash grab by Take Two trying to jump onto the trend just like you said. Some comments I often see say things like "Rockstar make so much money off of Shark Card Sales so why can't they afford to re license all the old tracks or do a proper remake of the game!?" These people don't even know that the majority of the profits go right into Take Two's pockets, basically propping up that twenty billion dollar Market Cap. People don't know things like this, they don't get that these studios don't get a say in what to make or how to make it because its big brother at the top that barks the orders and the rest are left to pick up the pieces. Another example too is how people think that Bethesda gets to decide who makes the next Fallout or Elder Scrolls, you see it all the time in forums yet not a single one of them will refrain from screeching at you when you point out that Microsoft could walk in one day and tell Bethesda that Mojang is making the next Elder Scrolls and they can't do anything about it. That's business, that's just how it works and its good that there are youtubers like you who point stuff out like this around still because most 'big' youtubers are too busy shilling or meming on the products to break it down like you have, again as you mentioned in the video. Anyway, my novel aside, keep up the good work Hex!
The choice of Grove Street Games of all studios does make sense. They were the ones to port the trilogy to mobile and San Andreas to modern consoles. A lot of the work put into these ports went into reworking a lot of the games for future proofing and be more portable, including getting rid of legavy dependencies that 1: Were causing compatibility issues on PC 2: Were never ported to mobile architectures. They are the ones who know the code in and out. What could have helped a lot was giving the team more time and pairing them with a studio that is experienced with Unreal. Speaking of Unreal, NO the engine change doesn't make it a remake. It's true that many remakes opt to use a modern engine for good measure, but changing engines doesnt mean you have to remake the game from scratch. With Unreal especially since it uses C++, you can just import your old code tweak engine calls to Unreal equivalents. Even other engines based on other languages, you can always package your old code and call it as native code from a dll in another language. You can even run Unreal on top of other engines. Heck, Halo MCC uses it for the menus while the games run in their original engines.
Love the video. glad to see someone explaining how 90% of the blame of everything Rockstar does is from Take 2. But.... I absolutly disagree with the last statment. People don`t play remasters to feel again like the first time the play them. Theres a lot of other reasons. For example, in PC in some cases it make it easy to play for new players (Like the LucasArts remastered games) and in others, it make it easy to play in modern systems (Like almost everything Nightdive Studios release). In others, they add tools to make it easy to play nowdays, like with Baldurs Gate or System Shock Enhanced. People play those games because they are some of the best RPGs of all time, not because they want to remember how it feel the first time. People want a good remaster of the GTA Trilogy because Take 2 never release a good port. Or because is hard to make work GTA 3 and vice City in modern systems. They play San Andres because still today, is one of the best GTAs of all time. And I give you a example of a game I never like it but I buy and love the remaster: The Bards Tale. I never like Bards Tale and never play more than 5 minutes not understanding nothing. The remaster make it ease to play with a ton of quality of life improvements that make perfectly playable a RPG from the early 80s. Remasters open the game to a new audience (A lot of times young players that were little kids or didnt born at the time of the original release). Please, don`t deminish the effort adn the work people like Nightdive Studios saying people only want remasters because they want to feel like the first time they play them (And by the way, in some games the second playtrought is even better like in Deus Ex (2001), Thief or Planescape Torment, finding new ways to do objectives or how deep the story goes).
Rockstar isn't blameless, though. Why didn't they do proper QA and/or offered proper PC/PS2 source code instead letting GSG use the terrible mobile ports' code? But I do agree it was a soulless cashgrab ordered from up in the ladder.
Problem is with how coding works. GSG knew well enough they mobile port codes as they written/changed some of them so getting on they hands a legacy code that does not have anything "modern" would take too much time to maneuver through and make any updates to it.
@@kptparker Well, their code doesn't include anything "too modern" since it's already 10 years old. And functions less effectively than the originals. Either way, clearly Rockstar didn't do proper QA.
I don't really have anything to say except I really respect the amount of insight this man has on the mass media as a whole. Once again, much, much respect
"Number one is outsourcing, You paid a private company to do your dirty work for ya, and then you underpaid that company because you thought you were big enough and bad enough that you didn't have to play by the rules!" - Michael De Santa
19:35 - New experiences arent being done right anymore thats why we rely on older games because there isnt any passion or love put into them, its all about corporate decisions, and in a lot of cases, political pandering in current year... in otherwords, censorship. Censorship is limiting games as an art form, as a result we get shitty e experiences, and until thats resolved we will always be that much farther from an enjoyable experience comparable to the games of old.
Video's like this are why I love ya man, you *explain things!* I have heard of Take Two before, but I had no idea they where as powerful as they are, when you hear the name come up, it's like kind mention in passing and just there. (Edit) I'd like to add something here that like you are saying with everyone else with their reviews and what not, is something I see a lot of people do when they throw around the world "nostalgia" like it's this end all the be all explanation of everything. Yes a ton of people want a lot of games to relive some feeling of the past and really just want something new, but not everyone! No better example can I give then World of Warcraft and the Classic servers....no, no, not WoW's Classic servers themselves but the people who for years wanted to play Vanilla WoW because the genuinely enjoyed playing it, not to relive the feeling of doing X,Y, and Z for the first time or really just want something new. My Xbox crapped out on me and so did the second one I got, if my Xbox was still working I can tell you now that I would STILL be playing Vice City and Need for Speed Most Wanted and Underground 2! Not because of something feeling of the past because I REALLY ENJOY playing them! Hell if I could get my hands on something that plays Saints Row 1 & 2 (OOOOOOOOOOHHHH), I wouldn't even be tying this right now, I'd be running around something something crazy or stupid just having fun! To me that is what so many new games now days lack, FUN! I kill HOURS playing vice city by simply riding around and listing to music, sitting back in the cut and watching the NPCs and then crazy stuff they do, throw in the Xbox version where I used to be able to add my OWN music and OMG I could kill a month alone just relaxing and riding around before I start doing the crazy stupid fun stuff messing around! A lot of these games have zero to do with nostalgia for me, hell I have never touched a GTA game after San Andreas, and have zero desire to do so, yep GTA5 a game that is starting to give Skyrim and run for it's money in how many times it's be released, and I have *NEVER TOUCHED IT, NO DO I WANT TO*, we are a small group but some of us just really enjoy playing said game, like the guy who loves an arcade game to the people he buys one and has it in his garage/basement and plays it all the time, not trying to relive some feeling of a kid in the arcade in the 80s, but just really loves that game! I only have a small handful of games like this, anything else and I would have to agree that it would just be for nostalgia purposes!.....(I am looking at you Diablo 2 and Ninja Gaiden )
I’d rather an whole new saints row game that is gangster like the first one for example , as those games in my opinion has not aged too much to need an remaster of sorts and If there was one sr game that deserves an remake/ remaster the most it’s the the first one as it’s the only sr game that is an exclusive.
Unfortunately, the man who was appointed to be the head of the team remaking Saints Row 2 (formerly a modder known as Idol Ninja) died before the project was completed. The new Volition is not likely to hire anyone else to take his place and even if they could, said person would most probably not have a 1/10th of his competence or passion for the project.
An informative and well balanced look at this whole fiasco. I had my reservations about how this trilogy would turn out from moment one, so I have both the original boxed copies and the digital releases on PS4 to fall back on
I disagree with the last point on replaying a game. I played Baldur's Gate and Stalker series many times from start to finish, and each time it's the same fun. Sure, I'm no longer surprised, but it's still this comfy corner I can reliably return to. Same with other games like Ultima Underworld, Dungeon Keeper. There's a lot of titles like these.
@@modernmobster ^THIS. Though, there are indie titles these days that are fantastic. Library of Ruina is one of those. AAA titles are just manufactured bullshit.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel You have no idea. Check out the TotalWar games. To have all the addons, DLC and other bullshit you need to pay absurd sums of money.
I agree with you completely, it is not Rockstar's fault. However, that shouldn't stop the people who traditionally, and regularly buy content from Rockstar, from boycotting the company, if only to hurt Take 2's bottom line, and force a change.
Thanks for making this, atleast someone gets it. Also why the hell do they keep "remastering" and "remaking" great, well polished games that still work on current hardware just fine? Why not remake the ones that had great concepts and ideas but were lacking in execution due to technical constraints or other issues during development, or just games that don't bloody work unless you happen to have a Rendition Verite graphics card or some other vintage junk like that.
You make such brilliant videos dude. :0 thanks. I learnt alot. I've been very confused about this remaster. Do you know when Rockstar became part of take 2? Surley they must of known the rights of their creations would be lost. Or were they always part of take 2?
I'd like to point out several things, might actually want to do a follow up video with those informations, but first and foremost - whilst harassment should not be approved in any way, I find it absolutely ridiculous that Rockstar is the one commenting on it. Their parent-company, Take-Two, has been on an absolute rampage for last couple of years because of mods, and in this year, it managed to get even worse. They've been taking down mods, sending DMCA's, Cease and Desist letters, threatening with lawsuits, and then enacting the lawsuits (guy who was making PC port of RDR1 was forced to pay 500,000 Dollars. Ruining people financially for the rest of their lives, yay!). They even went as far as to harass modders themselves - with them sending private investigators to their homes, and giving them phones with Take-Two representative, who wanted to talk with them about means of cancellation for their projects. At times, Take-Two was even willing to target parents of the modders, all in order to make them stop. It got so bad, that several mod-makers pulled their own mods not because they were ordered to, but because of fear. They created atmosphere of the fear in community. It's genuinely shocking to imagine, yet it's happening. Hell, on the day of release of Defective Edition, they managed to DMCA couple of GTA 4 mods, and... A save-file for Lost and Damned. Not even save-files are safe now foolks. Once again - I do not condone harassment, nor do I attempt it, but honestly, seeing Rockstar begging people to stop, after their company has done far worse things to their community makes my blood boil. They managed to ruin peoples lives over their hobbies, and that's a-ok, but moment somoene sends some mean words towards them, they're the bad guys? Don't give me attitude... In hindsight, seeing it now really makes sense though - they removed the mods that'd pose competition for them. I know, competition and GTA seems borderline impossible, but if there's one thing that can compete with GTA, it's... GTA. The basic idea - what's the point of buying Definitive Edition for 60$, while you can simply download mods for the copy you already own? It's free, so what's the point? In fact, just about every single new feature in Definitive Trilogy was previously a mod you could easily download for originals (save for checkpoint system, but are you really willing to spend 60$ just for checkpoints?). Take-Two's solution was simple - ban mods that are problematic. That way, you maximilize your payouts. Better yet - said mods were of higher quality then the remasters themselves, so were they still present, it'd be a laughing stock. And just to make sure they maximilize profit even further - remove all copies of older games from the stores whatsoever - that way, people will buy only remasters that are 60 bloody $. Of course, after the backlash, they reinstated back the old games... But only on their launcher. Steam is still lacking them whatsoever. Yay. In retrospective - the Trilogy Remasters are the reason alot of professionally made mods have died. You mention that Take-Two wouldn't hire more people to focus on remasters, but... That's precisely what they did. Earlier this year, Rockstar managed to obtain yet another group, Rockstar Dundee. Rockstar Dundee was known formerly as Ruffian Games. And Ruffian Games is responsible for Halo MCC collection. So they don't need to look for developer who'll do remasters for them... They already have one. In fact, not sure if you knew, but - the Definitive Edition was actually leaked several months prior to it's announcement (which is absolutely mindboggling, given how secretive Rockstar and Take-Two are. To think something as major as a project would leak out is... Well... Weird). In fact, leak was so accurate, that it got just about everything right regarding those... Save for one thing. Developer. You see, when Kotaku first managed to get a hold of the leak, they announced that it was in fact Rockstar Dundee working on it. It made sense because the studio was already experienced with making remasters, as well as being experienced in Unreal Engine, so it all fell in place. Only thing off was the fact that it'd mean they'd be working on it only for several months by the scheduled release, and in no way would it mean they're capable of delivering in that short amount of time. However, day of announcement cometh, and... It turns out it's Wardrum studios (I refuse to refer to them by their new name. Respect has to be earned, just like money). Although time now made sense - the studio was working on the game for 2 years. For life of me I can't figure out how leaks can be proven right in almost every thing leaked, but the most important thing, the developer, turns out to be completely wrong? During his stream, BadgerGoodger theorized that something else leaked out, something that Ruffian Games was working on, and Kotaku mixed the names during making of the article. I have no clue whether this actually was the case or not. I think I'd be willing to simply chuckle it up to Kotaku being incompetent and hearing one name, but then writing another, or simply not knowing the developer to begin with and making this up. But once again, I don't know the details, so I can only theorize. That being said, if Wardrum Studios was working on those remasters... Then what the hell is Dundee working on?
You mentioned that they were likely rushing the project out in order to make it out on Christmas, but... I have entirely different theory. I think they wanted to put it out in time for GTA 3's 20th anniversary. Of course, they still got it couple of weeks afterwards, but with that in mind, it makes some sense as to why they were so eager to rush it out specifically in 2021. You could argue that anniversary of Vice City and San Andreas would be just as special, considering that each of those games is legendary in their own right, and I agree. On another, it was precisely GTA 3 that laid the fundations of things to come. But make no mistake - just because they wanted to make it out for anniversary doesn't mean they care. If anything, I'd argue that they more pretend to care, as if they actually did care, they'd take time with it instead. An argument could be made that even if they thought they needed delays, leaks backed them into corner, and... Had they actually came out and say "no, those leaks are false, we're not making those", etc. people would just brush it off, and it'd be another nail to Kotaku's coffin of incomepetency. Little fun fact about Wardrum - you might've seen it already, but they have loads of mobile ports of previous installments of GTA under their belt, so it makes sense as to why Take-Two is on the terms they are with them. What you probably didn't know is that back in 2014 and 2015, they made GTA San Andreas ports for X360, PS3 and Windows Store as a remastered version (yes, San Andreas got 2 remasters now), which likely was the reason for their new name (I don't know if that's precisely why, they haven't clarrified it, but that's the closest it'll get for explanation). And those ports were... Essentailly taken straight from mobile versions of the game. And they fucked it up. Vadim M made two-part video series explaining in detail as to why it was bad, with BadgerGoodger coming in and voicing it. Suffice to say - they didn't do the right job back then. Yet somehow, despite their fuck up, Take-Two still chose to use them for the Remasters. Zelnick, stop smoking what you're smoking. I gotta wonder... How cheap is Wardrum, exactly? I don't mean it in deregatory way, I'm genuinely wondering how much they took for those Remasters? You see, what Take-Two could've done instead was hire modders in order to make this thing - as I stated before, just about everything new in the trilogy re-release was done by the modders beforehand. So why not contact those guys, bunch up and make the thing legit? Why not contact Silent about SilentPatch fixes, etc. Alot of those guys are easy to contact, and they'd be willing to help to work on GTA project, given that they're so dedicated to the franchise. But nah, let's ruin their lives work, ban them, harass them, etc. and then do the same thing ourselves! Had they actually hired modders, they'd make some good PR that way, which would help after constant milking of GTA Online and absolute poor security of Rockstar and Take-Two (Gypsy made a really good video about the subject, titled "GTA's Online dirty little secret", which goes in depth about faults in GTAO security). Even if the whole thing is just for PR, something good would come out of it. I can think of only two reasons why not. First and foremost, the Hot Coffee fiasco - Rockstar themselves wanted to throw modders undet the bus back then, and Take-Two would be no different probably. That being said, right now Rockstar is more then comfortable showing nudity and sex. And since fiasco, one of the Houser brothers even made light of the situation from years ago, and there was a time when Rockstar and modders were working hand-to-hand on several occassions. But this changed in recent years for one reason or another. Another reason is pure, simple, and much more in character with Take-Two - Money. Whatever the price Wardrum took, it must've been so appealing that they went with it because by the off-chance, hiring modders would've been more expensive. That's the explanation I'm personally willing to go with, as it makes alot more sense to me. I somehow... Doubt GTA 6 is in production. I genuinely do. I somehow think that Rockstar is just doing nothing in this regard and sitting on their ass, choosing instead to opt out for GTA Online content and those sweet, sweet shark card sales. I understand that studio worth of 2000 emplyees sitting on their chairs doing nothing is counterproductive, but somehow... I genuinely do think that. GTA Online shows no signs of slowing down, so what's the point of wasting effort on making another game, which would impact the sales of their golden goose one way or another, when you can simply polish said goose? Although... An argument could be made that RD Online is a dent... No, wait, that thing is dead in the water, screw what I said. Also in subject of GTA 6... With every day, I'm more and more worried about it. Leslie Benzies is gone. Sam Houser is gone. Lazlow Jones is gone (there's a common misconceptions, so let's make one thing clear - it was not internal conflict within Rockstar that made him leave. He mentioned that reason he left was because of family issues. Both his mother and his sister were diagnosed with cancer, so he wanted to just drop out and spend remaining days with them. And if the profits going in are anything to go by, he probably has enough cash to retire early. That being said - he's still gone from Rockstar, so regardless of reason, it will affect them one way or another). The old guard is largely gone. The people who made those games magic for over years are gone... I'm genuinely scared that GTA 6, or any future Rockstar project will loose a spark they had over the years.
@@bliczb8772 About Wardrum's new name. Their "Grove Street" are based from where they lived, Gainesville's Grove Street neighborhood. But I'd think it's still considered that they chose this name to make ref to GTA San Andreas.
The trilogy was originally slated for 2022, but got moved up because the upcoming re-re-re-release of GTA V got moved back and out of the holiday shopping slate. So, Take 2 needed something in that spot and sacrificed the remaster to get as much festive dollars they could before word got out how bad it was.
Truth be told I disagree with your accessment at the end. I think there is value in going back and replaying games you've already played in the past. Even if the experience is no longer fresh, a good, fun game remains fun long after the first playthrough. I am eagerly awaiting the Advance Wars reboot because I want to replay a fun game with a different presentation and rekindled general interest, not to relive my childhood, because my childhood was fucking shit and I'm glad it's over.
Thank you, that's just how I feel. I didn't wanna get the definitive edition with the idea that I could relive my initial playthru of those games, but to have fun with them again along with the enhancements. I'm not one to be blinded by nostalgia. Also, I personally was letdown by GTA 5's endgame content(in single-player) which makes me skeptical of how GTA 6 will turn out.
Good video. Informative and entertaining. Just one thing: I disagree with the ending. I don't think there's anything wrong with a GOOD remaster or remake if it allows you to play an improved version of an existing game with better visuals and a better performance. And it's not only about nostalgia. I've been playing Vice City on and off for 18 years now, I still enjoy it a lot, and I would've loved to play a PROPER "Definitive Edition" that fixes all the old issues and improves the graphics. Just too bad they fucked it up.
You’re making so much sense, now I feel good about the world again. It was nothing but a quick cash grab for T2 to pad its accounting books for short term gains. What really needs to change is consumer protection laws with software. If a software is broken and falls short of its promise, the purchaser should have every right to ask for a refund and that is how these software companies will start taking their IP seriously again.
Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say wait and buy gta6? Its still supporting the problem that is take2 like you said: don't give them what they want, your money.
I didn’t spend a dime on the definitive edition. Mostly because they gimped the soundtrack for all three games. So up yours take two/rockstar/grove street games!
Gonna be honest, while most of what you're saying is true, it comes off as arrogant and talking down to the viewer, especially that end segment about rereleases. "No this isnt what you REALLY want." Oh? I didn't know you were the arbiter of consumer desires. Why of course, only YOU would know what the people want and why. Rereleases are nostalgia bait? Sure, but we literally have an entirely new generation of people who have never touched thESE games before. To say that there isnt a market to revive what is gaming history for those who werent there to experience it is laughable. Yes, people do want new things as well, thats not disputed. But must the next generation be excluded from these experience? Before anyone say it, no, people are not gonna run out in mass to buy old ass hardware just to play these games. And while the mission of games preservation has never truly been in the hands of these big companies, the mission still comes first. Whine about rereleases all you want, but these games deserve to be playable throughout time, not have just 15 minutes of fame and locked away vault because "tImEs HaVe ChAnGeD, mOvE On".
The amount of remakes and re-releases we've gotten over the last couple years says a lot about how creatively bankrupt the AAA games industry have become, I'm gonna stay clear of this crappy trilogy remaster despite knowing I'm in the minority. That being said I find it hard to believe that R* had zero say in the where, when and how of the creation of this remaster when the T2 suits came up with the idea, so I find it hard not to put blame on R* as well as T2 and the years of milking the GTA franchise bone dry have only resulted in R* loosing more fans then catching whales to milk for shark cards. I do however feel a little bit bad for Grovestreet Games, sure they could have said no to the gig and been realistic, but T2 is a giant and business is business so they chose to take a chance and lost. From a business perspective its seems clear that T2 and R* was faced with A: Invest in a full on ground up remake that would cost half a boatload to make and ONLY be GTAO profitable in the long term. B: Find the cheapest and easy version and port it to current gen for pennies and milk that mofo for max short term profits. They chose B and I can see why since they are money men and not game dev's, still doesn't mean I have to respect it.
After playing these, I realized these are still outdated games gameplay wise and still as frustrating as ever, and that’s not saying anything about the Definitive Edition bugs and badly ported versions.
Yes, Take 2 is biggest reason behind this fail. But R* and War Drum ain't that clear. Just check so called GTA Trilogy HD Remaster, created by War Drum/Grove Street.
I disagree with your idea of not being as good as the first time, enter Destroy All Humans, it was a blast and honestly without the jankiness and the new weapons it blew my mind. Also I would love a mention of Tommy Vercetti guys a legend, mostly agree though.
I'm the same. There's plenty of games I've played multiple times where I've appreciated certain aspects about them or nuances in the gameplay more the second or third time around. Or even as far as remakes go, I hold up NieR Replicant as a example of a necessary remake. I loved the original game, but the enhancements and combat overhauls absolutely make the remake the definitive way to play.
Your jus in denial. I can admit first time playing GTA sanandreas was the greatest. Sure still playing it makes you feel comfy and at home cos you wanna hold onto those good memory's.. but nothing will ever be as good as your first time playing. Stop being in denial
Great video, and helped contextualise the real villain in all this. But remasters and remakes - nah man - I can't wholly agree with your opinion on them, or replaying an old game not being as good as the first time. Sometimes I don't fully get the game as a kid, I come back 20 years later and it's completely different because I understand it. Sometimes it be like that.
Oh I agree with all of this but rockstar is still hella shady in my books while this has nothing to do with them gta 5 online is still going what is 8 years now come on
Stop automatically buying something just because you THINK it’s going to be good. Stop allowing cinematic trailers fool you out of your money. At this point gaming is dead
Fresh experience that you mentioned isn`t necessarily means new game. Bigger and better old game can provide fresh experience. Heavily modded games can be vastly different from vanilla versions (obviously). I still occasionally play modded skyrim and stalker CoP. Part of disappointment associated with remasters/remakes comes (at least, to me) from the fact that devs could have properly remade entirety of old game AND possibly add something that was not available previously. Like some cut content or console-only dlc. Or at least working properly on modern systems. Upscaled textures and new bugs are not worth it. Hell, I`m not really waiting for gta 6. I lost interest in 5 and didn`t like rdr2. Too bad that gta underground is gone, would have loved to play that. Guess T2 sees modders as rivals.
Thank you for this . I was even blaming the wrong people for this and this was very hurtful as a gamer for me since I bought this as a way to cope with my mom passing arounf the time this came out smh
How did Take Two end up owning the Rockstars property? Are these publishers to game devs what Record Labels are to recording Artists? "Sure we'll advertise and fund putting out your art, if you sign the control rights to 99.9% of all your property revenue to us"
Definitely got it to play my childhood favorites portably on the switch and possibly the steam deck GTA 6 will come when GTA 5 stops being so lucrative
Feel bad for throwing around so much blame now, glad this was insightful and it's easy to get so angry especially when it's people's childhoods and gaming staples being fucked with
I kinda agree with you but it's absolutely a good thing that Rockstar itself is catching some hate for this. It's one of taketwos cash cows and if this can make Rockstar look bad it might make taketwo think twice about pulling this shit again in the future. Taketwo won't give a shit if people just hate them because they will still buy Rockstars games.
I'm glad I found this channel way back during the Saints Row Reboot debacle (still waiting to see how much of a shit show that’ll turn out to be, despite the delay) personally despite growing up on GTA, I’ve always preferred the Saints Row series, although I’ve never played SR1 or SR2 I have played everything else and I joined the series with SR3 when it was free for PS+ users on the PS3 back in the day. I own SR2 I just haven’t played it, and I would love to buy SR1 but Volition and their corporate overlords are being pricks about it and refuse to even acknowledge either SR1 or SR2’s existence. Fat lotta good that did them huh, it’s such a shame because I’ve been looking forward to the next game in the series, but now I don’t even know if I’ll even play this next game. There’s no doubt that it’ll probably be one of the best playing and looking games in the series, but that means nothing if the game itself isn’t fun to play, or if it doesn’t have an enthralling narrative with likable characters. The Saints aren’t the Saints without Johnny Gat. Honestly if nothing else, this whole trilogy debacle got me to purchase some Steam keys for the originals, I bought them well in advance of the trilogy’s release because I could see the writing on the wall. Should have bought some more honestly since they were only $5 a game and I’m sure they’re worth a lot more now.
well, the consumer can't be expected to understand the complex corperate structure of all the company he/she interacts with, rockstar is the face of it, so the shit go there. great content btw keep em comming!
This is what I saw about CDPR. People don't get there is the actual company, and then the dev team. The devs who were passionate about Cyberpunk absolutely hated the idea of CP releasing in 2020. They knew it wasn't ready but it wasn't their call.
I'm amazed how after all these years people still can't see the worse-than-EA greed of T2. They're the ones ruining GTA Online, they've been doing it for years. On a related note, does someone remember that ATROCIOUS cam meeting they held at the last E3? Complete with puke-inducing drag queen and all...
"Я ТЕБЕ НЕ sAу ЗА ВЕСb УЛИЦА РОЩИ All РОЩА is МНОГО ОЧЕНЬ НО all КОНДОН И hommies ОЧЕНЬ ЛЮЬЯТ СИДОДЖЕЯ-ИГРОКА" (с) Definiteve San Andreas coupled with legendary Russian "wasted" translation will be a perfect combo.
Strauss Zelnick reminds me of Devin Weston from GTA 5. Would not be surprised if Dan Houser or whoever invented him took their stupid boss for inspiration.
It was all good until you claimed that the only fun in replaying old games is nostalgia. It's an element, for some maybe even the most important one, but it might just be, that these are good games and fun games. If the definitive edition ran at 4k 60 and wasn't such a failure in so many other regards it would have been a really cool way to experience these classics. Instead we got Zelnick'd.
thank you for talking about the who ive been saying take 2 is to blame and i kept getting flack take 2 is the one pushing the buttons while rockstar take the punches also to rub more salt into the wounds defective edtion is getting macrotransactions payed for content in 3generation old games thats sacrilege they just couldnt help themselves and i think this was the plan all along make enough stink for publicity and yes i said macrotransactions because 50 to 100 units of currency is not a small transaction to make i'll tell you where gta 6 is it dosent exist in order for them to shit out another gta first we need a good competitor to step in unfortunately that new saints row pissed on its chips until we see a game that takes the same genre of gameplay gta offers and hands it out in spades then we will never see a gta 6 its only because of games like driver true crime and saints row did we get such good games like vice city and san andreas each better than the last rockstar even credit their competitors in their games san andreas has a cemetery full of head stones and a wall of names with each person that worked on the competing games gta has become stale its been three console generations and we the players are still stuck on that one island thats stuck in 2013 with construction still in progress in the middle of the city there are no new map expansions at all with it the online ate the last of the single player planned recourses and gave us more bills to pay online when i play i game i want to escape reality not be reminded of it by paying bills and owning properties i can see why people say gta 4 had the best online experience you weren't tied down with a house a car an online job you just logged on picked up weapons off the street and committed the felony the game is named after grand theft auto you stole any car you liked and could smash it up without repercussion of in game bills to fix it gta 5 is trying to hard to compete with games such as crew 2 forza and other popular car collecting customisation racing games i do not hold any hope for future gta titles anymore
Hey Brittish man, i'm from the other side of La Manche ( or the english Channel for you ,srly why you anglo-saxons call it like that, like if your owning it ) anyway i've been following you since the ashaming situation of saints row remaster so it has been some months and i really love your contents, its very awaking on the truth of these companies So of course i've shared your vidéo with my cousin who made me discover the gta franchise with san andreas and he really love san andreas and i Feel he must be disgusted for what happened with the remasters, Bref thank you for your work, Agent James Bond 007
We all know about Take Two, man. Strauss Zelnick is a curse. Rockstar is just a part of Take Two. Saying "Rockstar" is just saying "Division of Take Two". But in this case, we kinda have to say "Take Two", but Rockstar had to have been involved in this. But ultimately, if they were and they went along with it willingly, they are culpable too. It's not their department, which is messy, with their logo on it. But technically Sony do the same as Take Two. The praise would go to both the developers of the base game and those who remastered it. So...the blame could...if it were Sony rather than Take Two. Grove Street Games are so small a studio that they would've been needed to help. Rockstar SHOULD be ashamed of the remaster.
17:20 alright that is false advice, boycotts do NOTHING, they DO NOT WORK, because most people DO NOT KNOW ABOUT or ENGAGE IN them. What you call "harrassment" is nothing of the sort, it's just using the tools at your disposal to voice your disapproval in a way that is actually somewhat effective. Boycotts are the exact same as doing nothing and letting them get away with it. Directly addressing people in charge has some miniscule chance of trickling upwards and creating noise that might be heard.
These remasters should not even exist in my opinion. If you really want to play the OG games, then play on an emulator or get the ps2 port on the Playstation store or Xbox store.
instructive but complex; i would rather say that it's done shitty by purpose, there s some kind of agreement/conspiracy in video games industry stopping/slowing down any improvement concerning realism
Im glad someone finally focuses on the real target of protest, Take Two
It's not like Rockstar is innocent
@@thebadwolf3088 of course not, but take 2 has been hiding behind them doing anti consumer things for years, getting away with it, its like blaming the cook for food being undercooked while the boss is screaming down their necks to get it done in the next 2 minutes
Rockstar still rightfully takes blame for the things they have repeatedly done. Its not always the overlords that are at fault.
Bungie and Activision for example. After the split Bungie got worse showing it wasn't Activisions fault.
@@negan2714 activision wasnt at fault? im guessing you think crunch time is ok then, and I didnt say they had no fault, 2k have been hiding behind them doing shitty things like suing for mods
@@thebadwolf3088 Rockstar isn't innocent but they are not the problem they must do whatever Take Two tells them to do they can't just say "Nah we are not doing that" they Must. they have a contract with Take Two those Two Takes Bastards are taking them hostages at this point whether they like it or not,
I mean you can't get off a contract so easily you know, they can't do shit.
Don't you remember when something like this happened to Smash, yeah those TH-camrs yes them do you remember what happened to them?
this is the exact same shit but even worse now.
I'm SO FREAKING HAPPY to finally find someone who realizes who is the real culprit here AND despises Reddit
So Take-Two is probably in charge of GTA Online. One the most anti-consumer online games I've ever wasted my life on, through game design and business. Honestly though, wouldn't surprise me.
Gotta say this was surprisingly informative about life in general not just GTA, great work man top tier stuff!
Right?!?! More informative than school lol
This comment is simply for engagement. This is such an underrated channel and I can’t wait to see you reap all the rewards for the insane amount of effort you put in.
You funny man 😂 and yes, this was nothing but a definitive failure
TakeTwo is ultimately responsible for the mess (with less to lose and most to gain), but I wouldn't be surprised that Rockstar Games is suffering an internal collapse with morale and quality control, with Dan Houser and many others leaving the development company in a huff over T2's narrow minded and outdated business decisions (with Sam Houser partly to blame and not having more of a backbone with T2 execs/shareholders).
16:34 DarkViperAU will disagree on this part. Even then,many mod lawsuits are already a real life harassment
Darkviperau is toxic af
You know, I think the biggest problem was that the small team focused on these THREE at the same time, had they focused on each title and released it early at lets say 30 bucks, the games would be better polished (in theory), they would've got more money (Since all would be 90 bucks instead of 60 bucks for all 3) and they would've got 3 christmas season launches.
It woul've been better for everyone, but instead they rushed 3 half-assed ports and in the end had to pull it out from sales. Great job.
Doubt it. It isn't the first time they touch the GTA games and every time they do, it ends up in a disaster. Back then they only remastered San Andreas and it was known as the worst version out there... until the Definitive Edition arrived.
Rockstar's older games and even GTA IV & RDR1 have absolutely horrible code. Changing them usually creates a lot of problems and headaches. GSG needed to be supervised by some of the old programmers who actually worked on the classic trilogy to help them out.
No, they are just not skilled enough.
This is exactly why you've got my sub Hex, you actually go into the nitty gritty details behind disasters like the GTA Definitive Trilogy or the Saints Row Reboot. Most people on the surface wouldn't have a clue about how little Rockstar Games, or any other big name publishers under the Take Two umbrella for that matter, have to do with disaster 'Remasters' or 'Reboots' like this. The GTA 'Definitive Edition' is nothing more than a corporate cash grab by Take Two trying to jump onto the trend just like you said.
Some comments I often see say things like "Rockstar make so much money off of Shark Card Sales so why can't they afford to re license all the old tracks or do a proper remake of the game!?" These people don't even know that the majority of the profits go right into Take Two's pockets, basically propping up that twenty billion dollar Market Cap. People don't know things like this, they don't get that these studios don't get a say in what to make or how to make it because its big brother at the top that barks the orders and the rest are left to pick up the pieces.
Another example too is how people think that Bethesda gets to decide who makes the next Fallout or Elder Scrolls, you see it all the time in forums yet not a single one of them will refrain from screeching at you when you point out that Microsoft could walk in one day and tell Bethesda that Mojang is making the next Elder Scrolls and they can't do anything about it. That's business, that's just how it works and its good that there are youtubers like you who point stuff out like this around still because most 'big' youtubers are too busy shilling or meming on the products to break it down like you have, again as you mentioned in the video.
Anyway, my novel aside, keep up the good work Hex!
The choice of Grove Street Games of all studios does make sense. They were the ones to port the trilogy to mobile and San Andreas to modern consoles. A lot of the work put into these ports went into reworking a lot of the games for future proofing and be more portable, including getting rid of legavy dependencies that 1: Were causing compatibility issues on PC 2: Were never ported to mobile architectures. They are the ones who know the code in and out. What could have helped a lot was giving the team more time and pairing them with a studio that is experienced with Unreal.
Speaking of Unreal, NO the engine change doesn't make it a remake. It's true that many remakes opt to use a modern engine for good measure, but changing engines doesnt mean you have to remake the game from scratch. With Unreal especially since it uses C++, you can just import your old code tweak engine calls to Unreal equivalents. Even other engines based on other languages, you can always package your old code and call it as native code from a dll in another language. You can even run Unreal on top of other engines. Heck, Halo MCC uses it for the menus while the games run in their original engines.
Love the video. glad to see someone explaining how 90% of the blame of everything Rockstar does is from Take 2.
But.... I absolutly disagree with the last statment. People don`t play remasters to feel again like the first time the play them. Theres a lot of other reasons.
For example, in PC in some cases it make it easy to play for new players (Like the LucasArts remastered games) and in others, it make it easy to play in modern systems (Like almost everything Nightdive Studios release).
In others, they add tools to make it easy to play nowdays, like with Baldurs Gate or System Shock Enhanced. People play those games because they are some of the best RPGs of all time, not because they want to remember how it feel the first time.
People want a good remaster of the GTA Trilogy because Take 2 never release a good port. Or because is hard to make work GTA 3 and vice City in modern systems. They play San Andres because still today, is one of the best GTAs of all time.
And I give you a example of a game I never like it but I buy and love the remaster: The Bards Tale. I never like Bards Tale and never play more than 5 minutes not understanding nothing. The remaster make it ease to play with a ton of quality of life improvements that make perfectly playable a RPG from the early 80s.
Remasters open the game to a new audience (A lot of times young players that were little kids or didnt born at the time of the original release). Please, don`t deminish the effort adn the work people like Nightdive Studios saying people only want remasters because they want to feel like the first time they play them (And by the way, in some games the second playtrought is even better like in Deus Ex (2001), Thief or Planescape Torment, finding new ways to do objectives or how deep the story goes).
Rockstar isn't blameless, though. Why didn't they do proper QA and/or offered proper PC/PS2 source code instead letting GSG use the terrible mobile ports' code? But I do agree it was a soulless cashgrab ordered from up in the ladder.
Problem is with how coding works. GSG knew well enough they mobile port codes as they written/changed some of them so getting on they hands a legacy code that does not have anything "modern" would take too much time to maneuver through and make any updates to it.
@@kptparker Well, their code doesn't include anything "too modern" since it's already 10 years old. And functions less effectively than the originals. Either way, clearly Rockstar didn't do proper QA.
I don't really have anything to say except I really respect the amount of insight this man has on the mass media as a whole. Once again, much, much respect
"Number one is outsourcing, You paid a private company to do your dirty work for ya, and then you underpaid that company because you thought you were big enough and bad enough that you didn't have to play by the rules!" - Michael De Santa
When Rockstar were DMA Design way back in the 90's, I think Take 2 was around then too, publishing the first game. As well as BMG.
19:35 - New experiences arent being done right anymore thats why we rely on older games because there isnt any passion or love put into them, its all about corporate decisions, and in a lot of cases, political pandering in current year... in otherwords, censorship.
Censorship is limiting games as an art form, as a result we get shitty e experiences, and until thats resolved we will always be that much farther from an enjoyable experience comparable to the games of old.
Video's like this are why I love ya man, you *explain things!* I have heard of Take Two before, but I had no idea they where as powerful as they are, when you hear the name come up, it's like kind mention in passing and just there.
(Edit) I'd like to add something here that like you are saying with everyone else with their reviews and what not, is something I see a lot of people do when they throw around the world "nostalgia" like it's this end all the be all explanation of everything. Yes a ton of people want a lot of games to relive some feeling of the past and really just want something new, but not everyone! No better example can I give then World of Warcraft and the Classic servers....no, no, not WoW's Classic servers themselves but the people who for years wanted to play Vanilla WoW because the genuinely enjoyed playing it, not to relive the feeling of doing X,Y, and Z for the first time or really just want something new.
My Xbox crapped out on me and so did the second one I got, if my Xbox was still working I can tell you now that I would STILL be playing Vice City and Need for Speed Most Wanted and Underground 2! Not because of something feeling of the past because I REALLY ENJOY playing them! Hell if I could get my hands on something that plays Saints Row 1 & 2 (OOOOOOOOOOHHHH), I wouldn't even be tying this right now, I'd be running around something something crazy or stupid just having fun! To me that is what so many new games now days lack, FUN! I kill HOURS playing vice city by simply riding around and listing to music, sitting back in the cut and watching the NPCs and then crazy stuff they do, throw in the Xbox version where I used to be able to add my OWN music and OMG I could kill a month alone just relaxing and riding around before I start doing the crazy stupid fun stuff messing around!
A lot of these games have zero to do with nostalgia for me, hell I have never touched a GTA game after San Andreas, and have zero desire to do so, yep GTA5 a game that is starting to give Skyrim and run for it's money in how many times it's be released, and I have *NEVER TOUCHED IT, NO DO I WANT TO*, we are a small group but some of us just really enjoy playing said game, like the guy who loves an arcade game to the people he buys one and has it in his garage/basement and plays it all the time, not trying to relive some feeling of a kid in the arcade in the 80s, but just really loves that game! I only have a small handful of games like this, anything else and I would have to agree that it would just be for nostalgia purposes!.....(I am looking at you Diablo 2 and Ninja Gaiden )
I wish we could get Saints Row 1 and 2 remakes
I’d rather an whole new saints row game that is gangster like the first one for example , as those games in my opinion has not aged too much to need an remaster of sorts and If there was one sr game that deserves an remake/ remaster the most it’s the the first one as it’s the only sr game that is an exclusive.
I'd settle for a Saints Row 1 port, as well as the Saints Row 2 DLC's.
No, they’ll ruin it too
Unfortunately, the man who was appointed to be the head of the team remaking Saints Row 2 (formerly a modder known as Idol Ninja) died before the project was completed. The new Volition is not likely to hire anyone else to take his place and even if they could, said person would most probably not have a 1/10th of his competence or passion for the project.
Yeah but I rather keep in the past and don’t want a remake mainly they may change some things and may ruin the experience
There's a lot of channels that don't deserve their views, but this deserves every single bit. Much needed breath of fresh air.
An informative and well balanced look at this whole fiasco. I had my reservations about how this trilogy would turn out from moment one, so I have both the original boxed copies and the digital releases on PS4 to fall back on
The CEO of Take Two is named Strauss. No doubt they named Strauss in RDR2 after him. Which is telling for people who’ve played the story.
I disagree with the last point on replaying a game. I played Baldur's Gate and Stalker series many times from start to finish, and each time it's the same fun. Sure, I'm no longer surprised, but it's still this comfy corner I can reliably return to. Same with other games like Ultima Underworld, Dungeon Keeper. There's a lot of titles like these.
Plus not everyone has played these games.
I'd rather replay a great game for tenth time than play any of this modern bullshit. All we get anymore is buggy trash and mediocrity.
@@modernmobster ^THIS. Though, there are indie titles these days that are fantastic. Library of Ruina is one of those. AAA titles are just manufactured bullshit.
@@BlaineCraner Not only that but they're less expensive most of the time
@@Saltedroastedcaramel You have no idea. Check out the TotalWar games. To have all the addons, DLC and other bullshit you need to pay absurd sums of money.
Can't get enough of these intros, I'm officially hooked!
I agree with you completely, it is not Rockstar's fault. However, that shouldn't stop the people who traditionally, and regularly buy content from Rockstar, from boycotting the company, if only to hurt Take 2's bottom line, and force a change.
Non rotating burger is criminal
Thanks for making this, atleast someone gets it. Also why the hell do they keep "remastering" and "remaking" great, well polished games that still work on current hardware just fine? Why not remake the ones that had great concepts and ideas but were lacking in execution due to technical constraints or other issues during development, or just games that don't bloody work unless you happen to have a Rendition Verite graphics card or some other vintage junk like that.
You make such brilliant videos dude. :0 thanks. I learnt alot. I've been very confused about this remaster. Do you know when Rockstar became part of take 2? Surley they must of known the rights of their creations would be lost. Or were they always part of take 2?
I get so invested in your videos to the point where 20 minutes feels like 5 minutes
I'd like to point out several things, might actually want to do a follow up video with those informations, but first and foremost - whilst harassment should not be approved in any way, I find it absolutely ridiculous that Rockstar is the one commenting on it. Their parent-company, Take-Two, has been on an absolute rampage for last couple of years because of mods, and in this year, it managed to get even worse. They've been taking down mods, sending DMCA's, Cease and Desist letters, threatening with lawsuits, and then enacting the lawsuits (guy who was making PC port of RDR1 was forced to pay 500,000 Dollars. Ruining people financially for the rest of their lives, yay!). They even went as far as to harass modders themselves - with them sending private investigators to their homes, and giving them phones with Take-Two representative, who wanted to talk with them about means of cancellation for their projects. At times, Take-Two was even willing to target parents of the modders, all in order to make them stop. It got so bad, that several mod-makers pulled their own mods not because they were ordered to, but because of fear. They created atmosphere of the fear in community. It's genuinely shocking to imagine, yet it's happening. Hell, on the day of release of Defective Edition, they managed to DMCA couple of GTA 4 mods, and... A save-file for Lost and Damned. Not even save-files are safe now foolks. Once again - I do not condone harassment, nor do I attempt it, but honestly, seeing Rockstar begging people to stop, after their company has done far worse things to their community makes my blood boil. They managed to ruin peoples lives over their hobbies, and that's a-ok, but moment somoene sends some mean words towards them, they're the bad guys? Don't give me attitude...
In hindsight, seeing it now really makes sense though - they removed the mods that'd pose competition for them. I know, competition and GTA seems borderline impossible, but if there's one thing that can compete with GTA, it's... GTA. The basic idea - what's the point of buying Definitive Edition for 60$, while you can simply download mods for the copy you already own? It's free, so what's the point? In fact, just about every single new feature in Definitive Trilogy was previously a mod you could easily download for originals (save for checkpoint system, but are you really willing to spend 60$ just for checkpoints?). Take-Two's solution was simple - ban mods that are problematic. That way, you maximilize your payouts. Better yet - said mods were of higher quality then the remasters themselves, so were they still present, it'd be a laughing stock. And just to make sure they maximilize profit even further - remove all copies of older games from the stores whatsoever - that way, people will buy only remasters that are 60 bloody $. Of course, after the backlash, they reinstated back the old games... But only on their launcher. Steam is still lacking them whatsoever. Yay. In retrospective - the Trilogy Remasters are the reason alot of professionally made mods have died.
You mention that Take-Two wouldn't hire more people to focus on remasters, but... That's precisely what they did. Earlier this year, Rockstar managed to obtain yet another group, Rockstar Dundee. Rockstar Dundee was known formerly as Ruffian Games. And Ruffian Games is responsible for Halo MCC collection. So they don't need to look for developer who'll do remasters for them... They already have one. In fact, not sure if you knew, but - the Definitive Edition was actually leaked several months prior to it's announcement (which is absolutely mindboggling, given how secretive Rockstar and Take-Two are. To think something as major as a project would leak out is... Well... Weird). In fact, leak was so accurate, that it got just about everything right regarding those... Save for one thing. Developer. You see, when Kotaku first managed to get a hold of the leak, they announced that it was in fact Rockstar Dundee working on it. It made sense because the studio was already experienced with making remasters, as well as being experienced in Unreal Engine, so it all fell in place. Only thing off was the fact that it'd mean they'd be working on it only for several months by the scheduled release, and in no way would it mean they're capable of delivering in that short amount of time. However, day of announcement cometh, and... It turns out it's Wardrum studios (I refuse to refer to them by their new name. Respect has to be earned, just like money). Although time now made sense - the studio was working on the game for 2 years. For life of me I can't figure out how leaks can be proven right in almost every thing leaked, but the most important thing, the developer, turns out to be completely wrong? During his stream, BadgerGoodger theorized that something else leaked out, something that Ruffian Games was working on, and Kotaku mixed the names during making of the article. I have no clue whether this actually was the case or not. I think I'd be willing to simply chuckle it up to Kotaku being incompetent and hearing one name, but then writing another, or simply not knowing the developer to begin with and making this up. But once again, I don't know the details, so I can only theorize. That being said, if Wardrum Studios was working on those remasters... Then what the hell is Dundee working on?
You mentioned that they were likely rushing the project out in order to make it out on Christmas, but... I have entirely different theory. I think they wanted to put it out in time for GTA 3's 20th anniversary. Of course, they still got it couple of weeks afterwards, but with that in mind, it makes some sense as to why they were so eager to rush it out specifically in 2021. You could argue that anniversary of Vice City and San Andreas would be just as special, considering that each of those games is legendary in their own right, and I agree. On another, it was precisely GTA 3 that laid the fundations of things to come. But make no mistake - just because they wanted to make it out for anniversary doesn't mean they care. If anything, I'd argue that they more pretend to care, as if they actually did care, they'd take time with it instead. An argument could be made that even if they thought they needed delays, leaks backed them into corner, and... Had they actually came out and say "no, those leaks are false, we're not making those", etc. people would just brush it off, and it'd be another nail to Kotaku's coffin of incomepetency.
Little fun fact about Wardrum - you might've seen it already, but they have loads of mobile ports of previous installments of GTA under their belt, so it makes sense as to why Take-Two is on the terms they are with them. What you probably didn't know is that back in 2014 and 2015, they made GTA San Andreas ports for X360, PS3 and Windows Store as a remastered version (yes, San Andreas got 2 remasters now), which likely was the reason for their new name (I don't know if that's precisely why, they haven't clarrified it, but that's the closest it'll get for explanation). And those ports were... Essentailly taken straight from mobile versions of the game. And they fucked it up. Vadim M made two-part video series explaining in detail as to why it was bad, with BadgerGoodger coming in and voicing it. Suffice to say - they didn't do the right job back then. Yet somehow, despite their fuck up, Take-Two still chose to use them for the Remasters. Zelnick, stop smoking what you're smoking.
I gotta wonder... How cheap is Wardrum, exactly? I don't mean it in deregatory way, I'm genuinely wondering how much they took for those Remasters? You see, what Take-Two could've done instead was hire modders in order to make this thing - as I stated before, just about everything new in the trilogy re-release was done by the modders beforehand. So why not contact those guys, bunch up and make the thing legit? Why not contact Silent about SilentPatch fixes, etc. Alot of those guys are easy to contact, and they'd be willing to help to work on GTA project, given that they're so dedicated to the franchise. But nah, let's ruin their lives work, ban them, harass them, etc. and then do the same thing ourselves! Had they actually hired modders, they'd make some good PR that way, which would help after constant milking of GTA Online and absolute poor security of Rockstar and Take-Two (Gypsy made a really good video about the subject, titled "GTA's Online dirty little secret", which goes in depth about faults in GTAO security). Even if the whole thing is just for PR, something good would come out of it. I can think of only two reasons why not. First and foremost, the Hot Coffee fiasco - Rockstar themselves wanted to throw modders undet the bus back then, and Take-Two would be no different probably. That being said, right now Rockstar is more then comfortable showing nudity and sex. And since fiasco, one of the Houser brothers even made light of the situation from years ago, and there was a time when Rockstar and modders were working hand-to-hand on several occassions. But this changed in recent years for one reason or another. Another reason is pure, simple, and much more in character with Take-Two - Money. Whatever the price Wardrum took, it must've been so appealing that they went with it because by the off-chance, hiring modders would've been more expensive. That's the explanation I'm personally willing to go with, as it makes alot more sense to me.
I somehow... Doubt GTA 6 is in production. I genuinely do. I somehow think that Rockstar is just doing nothing in this regard and sitting on their ass, choosing instead to opt out for GTA Online content and those sweet, sweet shark card sales. I understand that studio worth of 2000 emplyees sitting on their chairs doing nothing is counterproductive, but somehow... I genuinely do think that. GTA Online shows no signs of slowing down, so what's the point of wasting effort on making another game, which would impact the sales of their golden goose one way or another, when you can simply polish said goose? Although... An argument could be made that RD Online is a dent... No, wait, that thing is dead in the water, screw what I said.
Also in subject of GTA 6... With every day, I'm more and more worried about it. Leslie Benzies is gone. Sam Houser is gone. Lazlow Jones is gone (there's a common misconceptions, so let's make one thing clear - it was not internal conflict within Rockstar that made him leave. He mentioned that reason he left was because of family issues. Both his mother and his sister were diagnosed with cancer, so he wanted to just drop out and spend remaining days with them. And if the profits going in are anything to go by, he probably has enough cash to retire early. That being said - he's still gone from Rockstar, so regardless of reason, it will affect them one way or another). The old guard is largely gone. The people who made those games magic for over years are gone... I'm genuinely scared that GTA 6, or any future Rockstar project will loose a spark they had over the years.
@@bliczb8772 About Wardrum's new name. Their "Grove Street" are based from where they lived, Gainesville's Grove Street neighborhood. But I'd think it's still considered that they chose this name to make ref to GTA San Andreas.
The trilogy was originally slated for 2022, but got moved up because the upcoming re-re-re-release of GTA V got moved back and out of the holiday shopping slate.
So, Take 2 needed something in that spot and sacrificed the remaster to get as much festive dollars they could before word got out how bad it was.
They built an invisible bridge?!
Can’t get enough of your channel. Your video quality puts million subscriber channels to shame
I can’t believe they also removed mods and the original games.
Truth be told I disagree with your accessment at the end. I think there is value in going back and replaying games you've already played in the past. Even if the experience is no longer fresh, a good, fun game remains fun long after the first playthrough.
I am eagerly awaiting the Advance Wars reboot because I want to replay a fun game with a different presentation and rekindled general interest, not to relive my childhood, because my childhood was fucking shit and I'm glad it's over.
Thank you, that's just how I feel. I didn't wanna get the definitive edition with the idea that I could relive my initial playthru of those games, but to have fun with them again along with the enhancements. I'm not one to be blinded by nostalgia. Also, I personally was letdown by GTA 5's endgame content(in single-player) which makes me skeptical of how GTA 6 will turn out.
Good video. Informative and entertaining. Just one thing: I disagree with the ending. I don't think there's anything wrong with a GOOD remaster or remake if it allows you to play an improved version of an existing game with better visuals and a better performance. And it's not only about nostalgia. I've been playing Vice City on and off for 18 years now, I still enjoy it a lot, and I would've loved to play a PROPER "Definitive Edition" that fixes all the old issues and improves the graphics. Just too bad they fucked it up.
We want a remake not a remaster. We don't want the same shitty old graphics. We want new versions of these
Agreed, my exact thoughts.
You’re making so much sense, now I feel good about the world again. It was nothing but a quick cash grab for T2 to pad its accounting books for short term gains.
What really needs to change is consumer protection laws with software. If a software is broken and falls short of its promise, the purchaser should have every right to ask for a refund and that is how these software companies will start taking their IP seriously again.
I have no idea how you keep making so many videos this quickly
The ending song had me dying, another great vid man
i love how the song in the ending sampled that background music of that one bee game in San Andreas
Your content is absolutely top tier plus the editing and soundtracks along with these vids!
Great video n all but that somg at the end was great is there a credits or something so i can lookup the song?
U sir are a genuine truth teller.
I'm confused by out sourcing GTA wouldn't they still be concerned about ruining there IP?
Release now fix later!
Wouldn't it be hypocritical to say wait and buy gta6? Its still supporting the problem that is take2 like you said: don't give them what they want, your money.
Another video that makes me look at your subcount and think that around 4 zeroes are missing after that number. Great job as always.
Great vid man, really opened my eyes to the way things work in the gaminng industry works
What they should of done is created the games in today's graphics one game 🎮 at a time
Criminally underrated channel.
Lol I understand all that mumbo jumbo already Rockstar is greedy !! It doesn't take a genius to know and understand that either!
GTA San Andreas is great on PC
Idk what you're talking about.
I'm talking about the classic version, not the remaster.
I didn’t spend a dime on the definitive edition. Mostly because they gimped the soundtrack for all three games. So up yours take two/rockstar/grove street games!
Gonna be honest, while most of what you're saying is true, it comes off as arrogant and talking down to the viewer, especially that end segment about rereleases. "No this isnt what you REALLY want." Oh? I didn't know you were the arbiter of consumer desires. Why of course, only YOU would know what the people want and why. Rereleases are nostalgia bait? Sure, but we literally have an entirely new generation of people who have never touched thESE games before. To say that there isnt a market to revive what is gaming history for those who werent there to experience it is laughable. Yes, people do want new things as well, thats not disputed. But must the next generation be excluded from these experience? Before anyone say it, no, people are not gonna run out in mass to buy old ass hardware just to play these games. And while the mission of games preservation has never truly been in the hands of these big companies, the mission still comes first. Whine about rereleases all you want, but these games deserve to be playable throughout time, not have just 15 minutes of fame and locked away vault because "tImEs HaVe ChAnGeD, mOvE On".
Thank you, wonderful video. Also, is that hexagon a MEELE REFERENCE?
Lol that song at the ending 🤣😂
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The amount of remakes and re-releases we've gotten over the last couple years says a lot about how creatively bankrupt the AAA games industry have become, I'm gonna stay clear of this crappy trilogy remaster despite knowing I'm in the minority.
That being said I find it hard to believe that R* had zero say in the where, when and how of the creation of this remaster when the T2 suits came up with the idea, so I find it hard not to put blame on R* as well as T2 and the years of milking the GTA franchise bone dry have only resulted in R* loosing more fans then catching whales to milk for shark cards.
I do however feel a little bit bad for Grovestreet Games, sure they could have said no to the gig and been realistic, but T2 is a giant and business is business so they chose to take a chance and lost.
From a business perspective its seems clear that T2 and R* was faced with
A: Invest in a full on ground up remake that would cost half a boatload to make and ONLY be GTAO profitable in the long term.
B: Find the cheapest and easy version and port it to current gen for pennies and milk that mofo for max short term profits.
They chose B and I can see why since they are money men and not game dev's, still doesn't mean I have to respect it.
After playing these, I realized these are still outdated games gameplay wise and still as frustrating as ever, and that’s not saying anything about the Definitive Edition bugs and badly ported versions.
That ending....Very Allegorical.
Yes, Take 2 is biggest reason behind this fail. But R* and War Drum ain't that clear.
Just check so called GTA Trilogy HD Remaster, created by War Drum/Grove Street.
I disagree with your idea of not being as good as the first time, enter Destroy All Humans, it was a blast and honestly without the jankiness and the new weapons it blew my mind. Also I would love a mention of Tommy Vercetti guys a legend, mostly agree though.
Agreed
I'm the same. There's plenty of games I've played multiple times where I've appreciated certain aspects about them or nuances in the gameplay more the second or third time around.
Or even as far as remakes go, I hold up NieR Replicant as a example of a necessary remake. I loved the original game, but the enhancements and combat overhauls absolutely make the remake the definitive way to play.
Your jus in denial. I can admit first time playing GTA sanandreas was the greatest. Sure still playing it makes you feel comfy and at home cos you wanna hold onto those good memory's.. but nothing will ever be as good as your first time playing. Stop being in denial
Great video, and helped contextualise the real villain in all this.
But remasters and remakes - nah man - I can't wholly agree with your opinion on them, or replaying an old game not being as good as the first time.
Sometimes I don't fully get the game as a kid, I come back 20 years later and it's completely different because I understand it. Sometimes it be like that.
Oh I agree with all of this but rockstar is still hella shady in my books while this has nothing to do with them gta 5 online is still going what is 8 years now come on
What is that ending song?
Why didnt you check the ceo's early life section?
Every time
I know it’s going to be a great day when you upload
Stop automatically buying something just because you THINK it’s going to be good. Stop allowing cinematic trailers fool you out of your money. At this point gaming is dead
Most all gamers are rubes. They love that Fry meme of "just take my money!"
Fresh experience that you mentioned isn`t necessarily means new game. Bigger and better old game can provide fresh experience. Heavily modded games can be vastly different from vanilla versions (obviously). I still occasionally play modded skyrim and stalker CoP.
Part of disappointment associated with remasters/remakes comes (at least, to me) from the fact that devs could have properly remade entirety of old game AND possibly add something that was not available previously. Like some cut content or console-only dlc. Or at least working properly on modern systems. Upscaled textures and new bugs are not worth it.
Hell, I`m not really waiting for gta 6. I lost interest in 5 and didn`t like rdr2. Too bad that gta underground is gone, would have loved to play that. Guess T2 sees modders as rivals.
Beautifully made 🤝🏻 great explanation about everything
Thank you for this . I was even blaming the wrong people for this and this was very hurtful as a gamer for me since I bought this as a way to cope with my mom passing arounf the time this came out smh
How did Take Two end up owning the Rockstars property?
Are these publishers to game devs what Record Labels are to recording Artists?
"Sure we'll advertise and fund putting out your art, if you sign the control rights to 99.9% of all your property revenue to us"
Definitely got it to play my childhood favorites portably on the switch and possibly the steam deck GTA 6 will come when GTA 5 stops being so lucrative
Feel bad for throwing around so much blame now, glad this was insightful and it's easy to get so angry especially when it's people's childhoods and gaming staples being fucked with
I kinda agree with you but it's absolutely a good thing that Rockstar itself is catching some hate for this. It's one of taketwos cash cows and if this can make Rockstar look bad it might make taketwo think twice about pulling this shit again in the future. Taketwo won't give a shit if people just hate them because they will still buy Rockstars games.
"Good evening. We have an urgent report from just outside of Los Santos..."
A MAN HAS FALLEN INTO THE RIVER IN LOS SANTOS.
I watched all the video. I loved your sync with the musical theme of the GTA: SA minigame at the last seconds of this true content.
I'm glad I found this channel way back during the Saints Row Reboot debacle (still waiting to see how much of a shit show that’ll turn out to be, despite the delay) personally despite growing up on GTA, I’ve always preferred the Saints Row series, although I’ve never played SR1 or SR2 I have played everything else and I joined the series with SR3 when it was free for PS+ users on the PS3 back in the day.
I own SR2 I just haven’t played it, and I would love to buy SR1 but Volition and their corporate overlords are being pricks about it and refuse to even acknowledge either SR1 or SR2’s existence. Fat lotta good that did them huh, it’s such a shame because I’ve been looking forward to the next game in the series, but now I don’t even know if I’ll even play this next game. There’s no doubt that it’ll probably be one of the best playing and looking games in the series, but that means nothing if the game itself isn’t fun to play, or if it doesn’t have an enthralling narrative with likable characters. The Saints aren’t the Saints without Johnny Gat.
Honestly if nothing else, this whole trilogy debacle got me to purchase some Steam keys for the originals, I bought them well in advance of the trilogy’s release because I could see the writing on the wall. Should have bought some more honestly since they were only $5 a game and I’m sure they’re worth a lot more now.
well, the consumer can't be expected to understand the complex corperate structure of all the company he/she interacts with, rockstar is the face of it, so the shit go there.
great content btw keep em comming!
LOL! Rockstar's British??
I always just assumed they're American!
It's their whole vibe!
This is what I saw about CDPR. People don't get there is the actual company, and then the dev team. The devs who were passionate about Cyberpunk absolutely hated the idea of CP releasing in 2020. They knew it wasn't ready but it wasn't their call.
I'm amazed how after all these years people still can't see the worse-than-EA greed of T2. They're the ones ruining GTA Online, they've been doing it for years.
On a related note, does someone remember that ATROCIOUS cam meeting they held at the last E3? Complete with puke-inducing drag queen and all...
If Dundee worked on this I bet it wouldve been waaaay better. Dundee used to be Ruffian who made Crackdown 2 which was a great game.
I'm glad someone is actually seeing where things messed up I've been telling people it was take twos greed that got this collection to where it's at
"Я ТЕБЕ НЕ sAу ЗА ВЕСb УЛИЦА РОЩИ
All РОЩА is МНОГО ОЧЕНЬ
НО all КОНДОН И hommies ОЧЕНЬ ЛЮЬЯТ СИДОДЖЕЯ-ИГРОКА" (с)
Definiteve San Andreas coupled with legendary Russian "wasted" translation will be a perfect combo.
You’ve cracked the way to critique games. Bravo my sir. Take my subscription 😂
This needs to be shared
Strauss Zelnick reminds me of Devin Weston from GTA 5. Would not be surprised if Dan Houser or whoever invented him took their stupid boss for inspiration.
It was all good until you claimed that the only fun in replaying old games is nostalgia. It's an element, for some maybe even the most important one, but it might just be, that these are good games and fun games. If the definitive edition ran at 4k 60 and wasn't such a failure in so many other regards it would have been a really cool way to experience these classics. Instead we got Zelnick'd.
Ok, I think this is my new favorite youtube channel, top 3 finds of this year at least.
They need more yachts
Piracy will save videogames, it's a fact.
Sometimes delaying a game to get a good game out is worth playing
thank you for talking about the who ive been saying take 2 is to blame and i kept getting flack take 2 is the one pushing the buttons while rockstar take the punches
also to rub more salt into the wounds defective edtion is getting macrotransactions payed for content in 3generation old games thats sacrilege they just couldnt help themselves and i think this was the plan all along make enough stink for publicity and yes i said macrotransactions because 50 to 100 units of currency is not a small transaction to make
i'll tell you where gta 6 is it dosent exist in order for them to shit out another gta first we need a good competitor to step in unfortunately that new saints row pissed on its chips until we see a game that takes the same genre of gameplay gta offers and hands it out in spades then we will never see a gta 6 its only because of games like driver true crime and saints row did we get such good games like vice city and san andreas each better than the last rockstar even credit their competitors in their games san andreas has a cemetery full of head stones and a wall of names with each person that worked on the competing games
gta has become stale its been three console generations and we the players are still stuck on that one island thats stuck in 2013 with construction still in progress in the middle of the city there are no new map expansions at all with it the online ate the last of the single player planned recourses and gave us more bills to pay online when i play i game i want to escape reality not be reminded of it by paying bills and owning properties i can see why people say gta 4 had the best online experience you weren't tied down with a house a car an online job you just logged on picked up weapons off the street and committed the felony the game is named after grand theft auto you stole any car you liked and could smash it up without repercussion of in game bills to fix it
gta 5 is trying to hard to compete with games such as crew 2 forza and other popular car collecting customisation racing games i do not hold any hope for future gta titles anymore
Hey Brittish man, i'm from the other side of La Manche ( or the english Channel for you ,srly why you anglo-saxons call it like that, like if your owning it ) anyway i've been following you since the ashaming situation of saints row remaster so it has been some months and i really love your contents, its very awaking on the truth of these companies
So of course i've shared your vidéo with my cousin who made me discover the gta franchise with san andreas and he really love san andreas and i Feel he must be disgusted for what happened with the remasters, Bref thank you for your work, Agent James Bond 007
We all know about Take Two, man. Strauss Zelnick is a curse.
Rockstar is just a part of Take Two. Saying "Rockstar" is just saying "Division of Take Two".
But in this case, we kinda have to say "Take Two", but Rockstar had to have been involved in this. But ultimately, if they were and they went along with it willingly, they are culpable too.
It's not their department, which is messy, with their logo on it. But technically Sony do the same as Take Two. The praise would go to both the developers of the base game and those who remastered it. So...the blame could...if it were Sony rather than Take Two.
Grove Street Games are so small a studio that they would've been needed to help.
Rockstar SHOULD be ashamed of the remaster.
Completely disagree with you at the end. RE2 and 3 remakes proved to combine the nostalgic feeling and respect the series deserved.
The worst sin of them all? Tuff Nuts. They made the nut round....circular round.
17:20 alright that is false advice, boycotts do NOTHING, they DO NOT WORK, because most people DO NOT KNOW ABOUT or ENGAGE IN them. What you call "harrassment" is nothing of the sort, it's just using the tools at your disposal to voice your disapproval in a way that is actually somewhat effective. Boycotts are the exact same as doing nothing and letting them get away with it. Directly addressing people in charge has some miniscule chance of trickling upwards and creating noise that might be heard.
These remasters should not even exist in my opinion. If you really want to play the OG games, then play on an emulator or get the ps2 port on the Playstation store or Xbox store.
Re2 and Re3 was the best remake/ remastered
So when do we overtake Take Two and make Rockstar independent like they should be
instructive but complex; i would rather say that it's done shitty by purpose, there s some kind of agreement/conspiracy in video games industry stopping/slowing down any improvement concerning realism