It should be noted for newer players that if your regiment takes a "break war", its not cope, its a term used to distinguish a war in which you have a facility and are running weekly or daily operations and a war in which the regiment does not do that. Within a given regiment, it isn't cope, its just a term to establish whether or not your regiment will be active. Sometimes you need a break
Agreed! Breaks are important. This is a good way to define it within the context of regiments and clans. Thanks for sharing this! It's only a cope if you use it for a reason your side is losing the war ha
I will note my own experience, this is a big part of what makes me fall out of love with foxhole, i try and get with a group and see what their vibe is, (I won’t invest my time in a group with bad vibes, sorry it’s a game not a job…) And then the war is over, half of the group goes on break because the boss isn’t playing this war, the regiment goes dark, and I’m back in the exact same place trying to test the water for people with some vibe. Something about foxhole makes it unlike other MMOs, if Bossman isn’t in the discord then everyone is just off doing their own solo stuff, in which case why bother? @tomentp it’s pretty common for a regiment to say “this is a break war” which is also known by its other name, “we’re playing the other faction this go round”
@@The_CGA Maybe you need to join a bigger group that does not go on brakes very often? Have you normally been in smaller clans? I'm sure there is a group out there that plays 90% of wars that does exactly what you want to do.
30/32 happened cause some players refused to call it a "break war". The most fun I had with this game was always fighting last stands on the losing side, be it at the end of a war or a front that got cut off, encircled or isolated in some other form. Burnout is the biggest problem this game has, it churns through players at an alarming rate. Without major updates to bring back fresh new players this game would be probably die within a year. But devs just keep increasing the workload instead of bringing some relief to logi players. Skirmish mode would be fun to have once in a while, and I miss the Dead Harvest Halloween event. Honestly, I would love to see a war where everything is cheaper and easier for logi, call it an experiment if you will, but I bet you that it would be fun as hell.
Exactly!! Long live 30/32! Great example of no war is a break war. This current war 110 is turning out to be the same. Last stands are so much fun! I agree with you! I'm always jealous of the encircled players if I am on the offensive side of the war ha. As I have stated in a lot of recent videos we just need a quality of life update. Nothing flashy or crazy just quality of life things to help players in game. I like the idea of a war with cheaper items! That would be a fun experiment! Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Break war means one of two things: 1. The pop dropped after the update so there is less fresh meat 2. The Spatha got buffed 3. Someone killed the zoo in callahans passage and now the collie’s steamrolled half the hex
The first use of the term "break war" was used by 82DK years before the warden population issues. It was back when 82DK made up around 40% of the games population so if we took a break you can figure that many others would as well. "Wars" in this time period lasted no more than a few IRL days and took place on a single hex so it was a very different game than the foxhole of today.
@@RobertLovesGames It was long before games were wars. This would have been before even war one. Back then, new games started at set times during the week from my recollection and maps rotated on several completely different servers. A new map would open on Saturdays and this would be what was seen as the "main war" at the time. For those of ancient knowledge they would know that back then we kept colonials as pets walling in their port bases and not building the last victory town. Warden dominance was so prolific it was not until the first iterations of what you all know as foxhole today did the colonials whimper louder from beneath our boot.
We had a official break war. It was the war right between 107 and 108, before the Naval update. We got all the new hex and map updates but non of the new vehicles. Tech was much faster and there was a fixed cut off date. As far as I know, this war was for testing the server structures and doesn't even had a name. I completely forgot it happened until you brought up 9:22 this idea.
I played war 118, when there was no logi, we looted the bodies of our enemies and even won the whole battle. (Haven’t we all enjoyed the blessings of temu logi)
Zackreaver was 100% on the dot - with the influx of new players they don't know just how to to bring logi and become a massive logi sink BUT it's so refreshing to see new people try things you forgot were so much fun. On the recent push from Basin -> Speaking Woods -> Callums I made a solid point to bring a massive onslaught of bmats and after that I just delivered containers of petrol to front and mid-lines so our tanks could move around. It doesn't seem like a lot BUT delivering containers a fuel means a lot to tankers and logi folks that no longer have to worry about these things.
Glad you brought this up! It may not seem like you are doing a lot as a logi player but it's little things like bringing fuel that can honestly change a lot on the battlefield! Thanks for sharing this!
This happens to me as well! I basically play every war but some wars are little bit lazier than others. My break wars are similar to yours where I just sometimes log on for like an hour to scroop then log off ha
Foxhole is a game where you need to take a break multiple times as it is very repetitive. but I never called it a break war ever, for some reason people do?, weird. Also F for that logi guy, i can feel his pain. Good video as well!, i finally start my logi again and my things will be delivered tomorrow. For colonials
I know during wars that are like 30+ days I for sure have couple days in there for breaks to play other games. Just needs to happen. I've literally seen people say "I haven't played at all this war so it's a break war" lol! Thanks for the kind words!
I use the term break war, when the majority of major clans are inactive. For example: WN my clan = Inactive berely 5 people on out of 1300, Callahan's legion = Lower pop, they have a smaller facility, FMAT our biggest logi clan is also lower pop than an actual war. Thats why war eco is smaller than usual. The term isn't cope of all things, ye sure maybe ages ago. But I've only seen it used to talk about a clan taking a break or a war having lower pop because of burn out. Waiting out this war, taking a break, then playing hard again. Update war we had like 100 people active at any given time. We QRF'd steel road 24/7. We had a facility that could eat up 11 trains of salvage. That was an active war. BTs being produced day in day out, boat parts being produced day in day out. War 110 is a break war because our facility right now only produces petrol. Thats the extent of its production. No one is online. To conclude I'd just say break war is clan oriented. Definitely not faction wise. Not when you have like 3000 players playing at any given time
Yeah I generally agree. When a lot of heavy hitter clans take a break for a given faction, the war tends to go poorly. That especially goes for logi clans. It’s not the only factor that determines the outcome of a war but it’s certainly one that shouldn’t be understated. In my mind, that’s typically what I associate with “break war”. It can occur with either faction.
That makes sense but there are still other people playing the game. Like this current war 111 I would call it more of a "relaxed war". I know I may be splitting hairs with terms but I think "break war" just invalidates everyone else who is still playing. I appreciate your feedback and thoughts on this though! It's important discussion to have and discuss! Thank you!
God I wish there was at least 1-2 weeks of break between wars. Our clan were on Charlie during 108 and after we won that war, we had a solid like 2 weeks+ until 109 started on Able, it was so good to have that break
A week at least with special game mode in between. It's honestly crazy how fast they start new wars. They are going from war 110 to war 111 in less than 48 hours which is nuts.
I started the second week of this year, and I took a week long break last week. I feel refreshed. As someone who hasn't experienced the whole game or even a resistance phase, I completely agree and already apply some of the tips you mentioned. This is what I learned from past experiences playing other long-term games.
Welcome to Foxhole! Glad you have previous experience with games where you know you need to take a break! This has been an especially long war so either the next one will be really short before the next update or the devs will do the update war next. Which players may or may not complain about ha. Let me know if you ever have any questions about the game! And thanks again for your input on this!
Also, I would love to see your take and hear your thoughts on this war. In particular, with the nukes in the situation that's been going on the fingers and all the memes, I think that would be interesting. Side story video to do either now or once the war is over to get the whole story.
I've been mainly playing in the north this war so the only stuff I hear about the fingers is on reddit. I should check it out more and get some more information! Good idea! I will see what I can come up with!
@@RobertLovesGames same for me Reaching Trails and The Moors. I only know like you the fingers from Reddit. Stopped by for an hour in the fingers. It just felt odd. People doing call outs for Msub distribution for all the maintenance tunnels. People actually responded and other sort of Peace Love and War sort of way.
Resistance phase should be Asymmetric warfare that picks up where the previous war ended. looseing team fights a gorilla war to take back ground while the previous wars winning team tries to hold ground. Disable bunker building to give builders a break and allow for more partisan strikes. Allow the Resistance faction (loosers of the previous war) to build encampments with hammers to launch deep viet cong operations. The Conquering faction (Winners of the previous war) Get access to tanks but can only respawn at world structures like safe houses, relic bases, town halls.
My personal solution was to rotate between different roles. While I usually do logi, when I get tired of that I play a partisan and make use of my logi knowledge to target resources. I also take part in artillery crews, usually as the loader, because I notice most players aren't interested in doing any artillery stuff. I tend to only get involved in direct fighting when it feels like there's a Big Wave incoming to the Relic Base/Town Base and it's an all hands on deck situation... though even then I use a mortar whenever possible, staying away from the big meat grinder
I agree completely! This makes the game so much more fun. After 1,400 hours I have now only just got into learning how to build bunker bases on the front. Picking up and learning different roles makes this game really fun. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
i like the idea that the devs should create some break war with funny game mods, like a Napoleonic war with only push gun and unprecised weapons or a fully naval war
Break wars aren't real. It's entirely subjective as far as I'm concerned. By that metric if my group takes a war off is it a break war? Where do you draw the line? The real war is player vs game / mechanics. We have reached the attrition phase of this war. What ever faction stays on, stays motivated, fights and doesn't log off typically wins.
Exactly! It's weird to think about but some people really do believe that if certain clans take a break then the war doesn't count lol I agree with you! Any war past 30 days is all about attrition and motivation. Who wants it more?
I'd say most "break wars" are ones where clans decide to switch side completely out numbering the other team. Does this mean the other team can't win? No, but major clans are an essential force to build and run factories to contribute to the war effort. So by multiple large clans to switch to, let's say, collie but no collie clans switch over its likely to give them an advantage. This doesn't even include the numbers of casuals to choose the high pop sides on purpose
I don't like to call any war a break war normally and if I were to call a any war a break war I would only consider it a break if a war last less than 20 days. That to me says that one side was not playing at all. And I agree with you that clans can make a difference but there are still a lot of other factors that can determine a war as well. I honestly just hate when players make excuses about losing a war. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
I think break wars are real but not in the same sense that other folks have talked about them on Reddit or how you mentioned them in the video. From my experience, break wars come in organize chaos and non-organized chaos. When the larger regiments decide to leave, leaving the little guys in randoms to defend the front lines and produce for the logistical end of things. In saying this, the numbers and the game do not decrease or increase. It's just whether or not one site is organized or not in anything they do. That's my definition of what a prequel is is when the larger groups tend to step aside and let the smaller groups take up arms and become the hero that war assuming they win
This is honestly a good way to look at it. One side might just be more "coordinated" than the other because the larger clans didn't take a "break". I can see this being a better definition for "break war". Thanks for your thoughts on this!
To the idea of different game modes, I think more events like Relic war would be great. Or a war with temporary balance changes or tech progress. Could even have unique maps or map layouts (more buildings, terrain changes) for some wars. As to the resistance mode and breaks between wars, the issue is that if people stop playing as a collect break, the prolong reduction in player count hurts the game's steam rating in recommendations, prevents new players from finding the game. Also since the game doesn't have much of a tutorial, having a radically different game mode can hurt new players in understanding the game. I think including more variety at different stages of the game and helping reduce burnout either through mechanics or encouraging players to abandon bases they don't need or overbuilt would be a good way forward.
Agreed something pretty different than a normal war. That's true about the new game mode hurting the normal game for new players. Some quality of life is really needed. Thanks for your input on this!
Huh My impression of “break wars” was more of an excuse for outfits explaining why they’re keeping piles of stuff for silly activities or why they aren’t interested in cooperating - “my boss is out of the office so I can’t talk to anyone without his ok 🤷♀️ “
What motivates me to come back to foxhole is being with the developers for so long and seeing the care they put into the game. I miss the bi-weekly devstreams that just kept us informed on what issues the dev's were aware of and what things they were considering for down the line. Nowadays, the game is designed in a way that just doesn't respect an individual players time, and each new update I come back hoping that they address that issue and make the game less tedious so I don't feel like the game has a ball and chain over my free time. I've been taking time off from the game in hopes that the next big quality of life update steps us closer in the right direction. I primarily like to be a support player, giving people what they need by performing the role most people would rather not do. As a result I'm able to narrow down the things that kill peoples enjoyment in this game fairly well, because I end up spending most of my time doing those tasks so other people don't. I do my best to optimize those tasks so I don't end up stuck doing them at the expense of my enjoyment, but it's very hard to argue in favor of certain mechanics of the game when it often feels like you are fighting the game mechanics more than the actual opposing faction.
Sorry for the late reply Zach. Wanted to make sure I had time to really read this and give a response. I would love for bi-weekly devstreams to come back or some kind of update that is routine and not just when new updates are coming out or when the server hamster is on fire. And I agree with you about not respecting the players time. This game is in desperate need of quality of life features that help individual players out more. Sounds like you and I play the same role. I appreciate the hard work you put into Foxhole and all that you have done for the community honestly. Others may not see your contribution or agree with the route that you do it but I think overall you have been a positive asset for this community. I hope your break continues to go well and hope to see you back out there soon!
@@RobertLovesGames Ya, people only really recognize me for that time I built bases next to border bases. But it's really hard to be known as the guy that does maintenance work, it's akin to remembering the guy that deliveries the fuel container at the storage depot. I just hope one day the workload isn't so bad so I can get it done quickly and go back to having fun on the front with the others.
@@Zackreaver That is a shame the people only know you for that one situation. You have done so much more for Foxhole and that shouldn't be how you are remembered in the game. And as logi person I know that we do a lot of thankless task. No one sees all the stuff we do behind the curtains most of the time. Except sometimes other logi players. Hope to see you back out there soon!
7:18 when I was playing colonial in war 108 (my first war) I got really attached to faranac coast since that’s where I fought my first major battle it was a really fun siege to play in. I was doing mostly infantry so it’s defiantly different but getting attached to faranac coast brought me a sense of “fictional nationalism” and seeing it fall was tragic and for the rest of the war my reason for fighting was avenge faranac coast and or take it back
I love this spirit! This is so awesome thanks for sharing that! I love getting attached to certain areas during a war because in future wars I can drive though those hexes and remember all the good times I had in them in previous wars. Thanks for sharing this!
I find this quite funny, consnidering one of your newer videos was about break War 118 ^^. And that graphic regarding morale is soooo spot on after War 117 😂
2:42 How tf are faction loyalists above alts? Maybe I’m using a different definition but in my view an alt is someone who plays for one faction, gets an alt on another and begins to sabotage things.
So when I made this video I pretty much categorized faction loyalist as the type of people that don't look at the entire game but only view things from their set faction. They constantly blame losing a war on balance or population and are constantly making excuses why their faction sucks. They never look at things from the other side. It's kind of confusing because in my mind there are also good "faction loyalist" who don't complain about everything but always play on the same faction. I didn't explain that very well in this video and I apologize. Honestly if I could go back I would put faction loyalist below alts now. I think back then I was just really salty against toxic faction loyalist.
@ Fair enough. I guess alts are sort of an extension of bad faction loyalists in a way, if you’re already used to arguing scummy you’re more likely to play scummy. I guess it’s two different types of harm. One harms the community and the other harms the game itself.
Resistance phases becoming meme wars would be such an amazing idea I had never even considered. Just test out an idea small scale for a week, get feedback from us regular idiots instead of only the power gamers on Dev branch, and if an idea gets traction THEN send it to Dev branch for a legitimate work over.
Apparently they've said at some point that it's not possible for one reason or another (might have been marketing?) For them to go more than 2 or 3 days between wars. Take that with a grain of salt, ive never found the source for that claim. It would explain the trend though
Having a week long special event between wars would be great to alleviate the burnout for everyone, I still believe that the devs need to expand the overall battlefield by three to four times its current size if not more, the hexes are too small considering that we now have navel units.
Rightfully so. Everyone needs breaks. My overall thought for this video is even though more players might be taking a break during certain wars it does not mean it "doesn't" count :D Thanks for your thoughts on this!
a game mode that would be entertaining would be some kinda frontline war where only frontline hexs are available and all depots are full of every type of item so every player can be in a frontline hex having fun or messing around. Another Nice video keep it up!
My regi took a break this war so in that sense it has felt like a “break war” for me and a few others that are still playing now and then. As a warden it does feel like earlier in this war we were hurting really badly but the collies lost momentum and now it feels like this war is gonna drag extra long😢
And I mean it “feels like” in the sense that the regi usually ran 2 or 3 ops a week some times more and now we haven’t had one for over a month… obviously the wardens as a whole aren’t taking a break but for me particularly it feels different. Like I haven’t even launched the game in a few days because as a solo it’s just a respawn simulator at this point in the war
I also don’t go around saying it’s a break war just because my regi took a break, I have said in idle chatter that “my regi is taking a break this war so I’m just trying to do what I can as a solo” but that isn’t an indication of a faction as a whole
It did drag extra long! Glad you took this war "off" and were able to chill! I've had a couple wars where literally all I do is log on and scroop and that is it ha. Have you ever done solo logi? If you are more into combat pick up groups for ops, tanking and arty are pretty easy to find. Let me know if you ever need help with how to do that! GGs this war!
Break wars do exsist.. sometimes there are wars that start right before a major update (like a week before). These are ended artificially by the devs to make way for the new update. These are the ONLY times where I would consider it an actual break war since the game is being cut short.
That's technically true but how often has that happened? Like 2 or 3 times? They don't even count it as a real war at all. It's just the awkward time between war ending and update. Like war 111 I bet most will consider a "break war" because the next war should be the update war. I will agree with you though those wars they don't count because of updates could be considered break war. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
This is why I support the collaboration between independent Logistics players and independent Infantry players. The big guilds have too much power while online and too much impact while offline. FOR THE LEGION!
I just missed the majority of the naval update and i can safely say that before it the game was much more populated, twice as now... Feels kinda sad that a game i enjoy is starting to die out
I always thought the term 'Break War' would feel horrible for new players. This never happened to me but imaging joining the game and doing some great stuff during the war they joined in, then some clan vet says that sure you did good but it wasn't as important as it was in a 'Break War'. It'd just make them feel like they got a lesser victory and make them feel worse about something they should feel proud about in winning the war you fight for
Exactly! Which is why we really need to abolish the term and ignore the people that are saying it's a "break war" Thanks for your sharing your thoughts on this!
Im a fairly new and casual player. In four months I have barely begun to explore all there is to do in Foxhole. When you say new players get bored with four months of no updates, do you mean power players?
Maybe or players that just stick to one role. Like players that only do combat or players that only do logi. I see those players drop off more than players they change their roles around often. Like for me I’m 60% logi 15% facilities 15% combat and 10% bunker building. Maybe some other roles like medic or arty randomly sprinkled in.
Then we got no beef. I should have made that clear. I got nothing against players that only play one faction. I play warden 90% of the time so I get it.
Damn, it's been over 4 months already since I played... I would play this game much more if it wasnt such a grindfest in logistic and building mechanics
Ha! Understandable honestly. Hopefully in this next update they fix that and do some quality of life. If I can recommend something if you are a big logi or builder player is just to mix it up a bit and go play different roles like more combat related ones. That sometimes is a nice "break" as well but still getting to play some.
I'm not that sure. But as for me, complaining about “Break wars”, while not doing the same in relation to the logistics strike, is somehow a little hypocritical, but rather strange. This is not a complaint, but rather a question. It seems to me that “Break Wars” can, or even should, be perceived as a note of protest, yes - unorganized, yes - scattered, full of useless complaints, dismoralization and aggression, but still a protest. After all, as was said, there are many problems in the game, which I will not repeat, because I agree with what was said. But I would like to add the problem of the lack of a real “super weapon” that could “really end the war".After all, even the most powerful weapon - the Nuclear Bomb (missile) was researched almost 2 weeks ago and was used more than once, but the end of the war is still not in sight. The later stages of the war turned into an eternal battle with cities and fortresses from bunkers, as if we were in the world of the game REDCON. And more or less adequate ways to deal with them, unorganized groups of people, cannot lead to much result. Moreover, this gameplay does not bring pleasure even to the defenders, because it has become a chore to supply and protect these bases from self-destruction, and repairing them soon turned into a joke, several dozen people per meta-fork. And as a result, we get a situation in which the attackers have to spend a lot of effort and skillful organization to break through, and the defenders have to spend even more tedious work waiting for the very day when it will come in handy. And if you don’t do this, the enemy will. Damn, this looks like the First World War. Actually, as I said, this, in my opinion, should be perceived as a semi-silent protest, indirectly directed towards the developers. Although it looks much worse compared to the organized strike of logisticians who knew what they wanted. But we must not forget that an unorganized protest without ideas, “for everything good, against everything bad,” never led to anything good.
I'm not sure whether the translator will be able to translate such text correctly. So I’ll leave the untranslated version here. Я не то, что бы уверен. Но как по мне, жаловаться на "Break wars", при этом не делать этого по отношению к забастовке логистов, как-то немного, не то чтобы лицемерно, а скорее странно. Это не претензия, а скорее вопрос. Мне кажется "Break wars", можно, или даже нужно, воспринимать как ноту протеста, да - неорганизованного, да - разрозненного, полного бесполезных жалоб, дизморализиции и агрессии, но всё-таки протеста. Ведь как и было сказано в игре много проблем, о которых я не буду повторятся, потому что согласен со сказанным. Но хотел бы добавить проблему отсутствия реального "супероружия", что могло б "реально закончить войну". Ведь даже Самое мощное оружие - Ядерная бомба (ракета) была исследована уже почти как 2 недели назад и использовалась не единожды, а конца войны так реально и не видать. Поздние этапы войны, превратились в вечный битвы с городами крепостями из бункеров, будто мы в мире игры REDCON. А более менее адекватных способов бороться с ними, неорганизованными группками людей, не то чтобы могут привести к большому результату. Так более того этот геймплей не приносит удовольствия даже обороняющимся, ведь это стало мутороной работой, для снабжения и защиты от самоуничтожения этих баз, а ремонт их это уже скоро превратился в шутку, по несколько десятков человек на одну мета-вилку. И в итоге мы получаем ситуацию в которой наступающим приходится тратить много усилий и умелой организации для прорыва, а обороняющимся ещё более нудной роботы в ожидании того самого дня, когда оно пригодится. А если ты так не сделаешь то это сделает противник. Блин, какая-то первая мировая получается. Собственно, как и сказал, это как по мне, стоит воспринимать как полу молчаливый протест, опосредовано направленный к разработчикам. Хотя он и смотрится намного хуже по сравнению с организованной забастовкой логистов, которые знали что хотят. Но и не нужно забывать, что неорганизованный протест без идей, "за все хорошее, против всего плохого", никогда не приводил к чему-то хорошему.
I agree that break wars can be in protest of the current meta of whatever players don't like. From the logi strike we can see that it was extreme enough that they just called it a strike instead of a break. I don't think any kind of super weapon is really needed. I know many might not agree with this but I like that a way to win a war can be by morale and just battle of attrition. Shows who wants it more and who is willing to put in more of the logi work to get it done. People say it as a joke sometimes but logi really does win wars. Hopefully I got all that you said correctly! Thanks for your input on this and talking about this! Always good to have these conversations!
im taking a break off this game and honestly its a pretty good idea to have a break, but people saying its a break war is just wrong. ive got 730 hours already! its time to have a little break and play some other games too :3
Faction loyalist that ignore nerds or buffs are the ones I’m more referring to. They ignore the flaws in Foxhole and just blame the other faction. Plus with that list I was being a bit dramatic ha
@@RobertLovesGames Ah, because I'm in the 27th and we're an exclusively Warden regi. I don't have anything against people rolling Collie. It's just aesthetically and in terms of lore I have a preference for the Wardens.
Ain't no way Wardens going on a break war i mean they probably have their break war(just a couple weeks probably) and now's their time to turn the tide of the War, like look at that Death ratio thing on the Warden sides to many unlike the Colonials
Shard loyalist, faction loyalist and salty vets don't scare me. But that (player that say "break war")... It terrified me Side note: alts shouldn't be counted in this at all. They are the lowest of the low
This game is more of a chore than a game lol. Only fun i have is playing as a infantry man or tankman, or whenever bigger clans let me man the battleship turrets... But other than that its a chore, and doing those factory or logi work people doesnt even thank you... And this been an issue ever since. This game is destined to die out, slowly
For some reason I love the chores of logistics. It's just so relaxing to me. I don't mind slaving away making ammo and tanks for people to use and go have fun with ya know? And over time I know some players learn that they can do a task and don't expect a "thank you". I've learned so much about the game that I just know when I'm making good logistical plays that are helping my faction. Also me doing logi so much makes the 10% of the time I do infantry or tanking so much more fun because I don't play it often. Thanks for your insight and thoughts on this! I don't think it means the game is destined to die out I just think it's destined to stay a very specific niche for very specific player base.
I like being logi Guy but the placement of refirneries sucks hard. I have to travel 3 regions to get Back and to frontline its really boring. Also there was shorter way where you had to travel with boat but IT was soo slow and there were too many abbandoned ships I got burned out bc of that.
That's why you need to utilize storage depots and seaports that are closer to where you are in the front. And you need to break logi task up when getting on I have found. Gathering is its own play session, refining and crafting are there own play sessions and delivering supplies is its own play session. And no bad English at all that was great! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the game!
“Collies only use it to tease the wardens when morale is low, it’s used as a weapon of propaganda to get wardens to quit.” This is a very normative and subjective statement that does not transmit neutral vibes. In my opinion this is very untrue statement because I have definitely seen wardens rage bait with break war stuff, both sides do it.
With that statement though I may have not made it clear was taken from history on how it use to be. I'm pretty sure right after this I state that both factions complain about break war equally now. I agree with you that both sides rage and say break war when they are losing. Happens every time. Think we are on the same page. Sorry I didn't make my statement more clear. Thanks for pointing this out and challenging me on it! Appreciate it!
I see the first mistake you made first , listening to reddit. game is nowadays more of a job than actual casual fun if you ever want to experience further vehicles and equipment if youre not in X big clan , overall the burnout is due to A spending god know how many hours IRL in logistics for some stuff that end ups blow up or lost in hours and it doesnt help if it is due to server issues or some third party influences , the other reason of why everyone calls break war everything is simple , its now as a slang rather than people really taking a break since there is people 100% invested IRL in this game or in other words dont have real lives and spend every fiber of their being playing for some dopanine they get doing logi (which is just hammering a virtual pile of scrap and waiting hours for some material , repeat a rinse)
Can you put your thoughts together? Only thing i managed to understand from here is that listening to reddit is bad - which i totally agree with,but whats the remaining context here? Why people who dedicate themself are bad? Or what are they? Yes there are people who play after their work is finished, but why are they bad? I dont understand you. Logi has to be done its part of the game, and to judge people who do these stuff is not very nice.
lol true. Some good things can be said on reddit at times though ha. Or at least it has good memes. This game needs some quality of life to help people not get burnout honestly. Otherwise another big logi strike may be coming soon. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
I've thought about this quite a bit and I really wouldn't mind some small micro transaction to help the devs. I know a lot of players hate this idea it just really depends on how they would implement it. I'm not 100% but I think the devs are also funded by the Canadian government for Foxhole as well. I would also buy "Foxhole 2" if they ever decided to transfer the game onto Unreal 5 like they are doing with Anvil Empires. Thanks for your thoughts on this!
break war exist,clan not playing for the war is a break war,eitheir you like it or not,you can defend the game as much as you want robert but the nthing is its not perfect and there is still to improve and yes there is break war
I agree with you that there is a lot to improve with Foxhole. I in no way think Foxhole is perfect. I'm constantly bashing the devs for not adding things or fixing things. I respect your opinion about break wars but don't agree with it. People are still out there playing and trying to win the war. No war is a break war.
In foxhole you don't break war. War breaks you.
People wanted an accurate simulation of war over the years. Here they have it.
lol I love this!
Definitely applies to the logiman interview included here.
It should be noted for newer players that if your regiment takes a "break war", its not cope, its a term used to distinguish a war in which you have a facility and are running weekly or daily operations and a war in which the regiment does not do that. Within a given regiment, it isn't cope, its just a term to establish whether or not your regiment will be active. Sometimes you need a break
Agreed! Breaks are important. This is a good way to define it within the context of regiments and clans. Thanks for sharing this!
It's only a cope if you use it for a reason your side is losing the war ha
I have never seen the term being used that way but i like it
@@RobertLovesGames thank you for this video!
I will note my own experience, this is a big part of what makes me fall out of love with foxhole, i try and get with a group and see what their vibe is, (I won’t invest my time in a group with bad vibes, sorry it’s a game not a job…)
And then the war is over, half of the group goes on break because the boss isn’t playing this war, the regiment goes dark, and I’m back in the exact same place trying to test the water for people with some vibe. Something about foxhole makes it unlike other MMOs, if Bossman isn’t in the discord then everyone is just off doing their own solo stuff, in which case why bother?
@tomentp it’s pretty common for a regiment to say “this is a break war” which is also known by its other name, “we’re playing the other faction this go round”
@@The_CGA Maybe you need to join a bigger group that does not go on brakes very often? Have you normally been in smaller clans? I'm sure there is a group out there that plays 90% of wars that does exactly what you want to do.
Gap between wars needs more attention. Totally agree with you on that Rob!
I've mentioned and discussed for stuff like this, but people claim it would kill the game, even though that's not how this game works.
I really don't think it would kill the game and it's worth trying to see if player numbers do go down or anything.
30/32 happened cause some players refused to call it a "break war".
The most fun I had with this game was always fighting last stands on the losing side, be it at the end of a war or a front that got cut off, encircled or isolated in some other form.
Burnout is the biggest problem this game has, it churns through players at an alarming rate. Without major updates to bring back fresh new players this game would be probably die within a year. But devs just keep increasing the workload instead of bringing some relief to logi players.
Skirmish mode would be fun to have once in a while, and I miss the Dead Harvest Halloween event. Honestly, I would love to see a war where everything is cheaper and easier for logi, call it an experiment if you will, but I bet you that it would be fun as hell.
Exactly!! Long live 30/32! Great example of no war is a break war. This current war 110 is turning out to be the same.
Last stands are so much fun! I agree with you! I'm always jealous of the encircled players if I am on the offensive side of the war ha.
As I have stated in a lot of recent videos we just need a quality of life update. Nothing flashy or crazy just quality of life things to help players in game.
I like the idea of a war with cheaper items! That would be a fun experiment!
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Pick a hex and who ever holds it at the end of 7 days wins.
@@RobertLovesGames110 is just one big nuke fest now I think the collies will just nuke to a victory 💀
Break war means one of two things:
1. The pop dropped after the update so there is less fresh meat
2. The Spatha got buffed
3. Someone killed the zoo in callahans passage and now the collie’s steamrolled half the hex
Number 1 for sure not sure about the other ones lol
@@RobertLovesGames 2 is just a meme and 3 is me still being pissed that someone killed the zoo
@@Astrosk1er 3. is a certified CALLAHAN LEGION moment xdd
@@insurgencetale8104 Fr fr I was so pissed
What’s the website used to see every player moving all at once at 1:50 ?
I recorded it from this. Though it looks like it not be running any more.
www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/s/a3o3lCwvsv
The first use of the term "break war" was used by 82DK years before the warden population issues. It was back when 82DK made up around 40% of the games population so if we took a break you can figure that many others would as well. "Wars" in this time period lasted no more than a few IRL days and took place on a single hex so it was a very different game than the foxhole of today.
I didn't know this! Thanks for the history update! Do you know what wars this was around? Like 20s or 30s?
@@RobertLovesGames It was long before games were wars. This would have been before even war one. Back then, new games started at set times during the week from my recollection and maps rotated on several completely different servers. A new map would open on Saturdays and this would be what was seen as the "main war" at the time. For those of ancient knowledge they would know that back then we kept colonials as pets walling in their port bases and not building the last victory town. Warden dominance was so prolific it was not until the first iterations of what you all know as foxhole today did the colonials whimper louder from beneath our boot.
Ahhh gotcha! Thanks again for taking the time to share that!
We had a official break war. It was the war right between 107 and 108, before the Naval update. We got all the new hex and map updates but non of the new vehicles. Tech was much faster and there was a fixed cut off date. As far as I know, this war was for testing the server structures and doesn't even had a name. I completely forgot it happened until you brought up 9:22 this idea.
I played war 118, when there was no logi, we looted the bodies of our enemies and even won the whole battle. (Haven’t we all enjoyed the blessings of temu logi)
Zackreaver was 100% on the dot - with the influx of new players they don't know just how to to bring logi and become a massive logi sink BUT it's so refreshing to see new people try things you forgot were so much fun. On the recent push from Basin -> Speaking Woods -> Callums I made a solid point to bring a massive onslaught of bmats and after that I just delivered containers of petrol to front and mid-lines so our tanks could move around. It doesn't seem like a lot BUT delivering containers a fuel means a lot to tankers and logi folks that no longer have to worry about these things.
Glad you brought this up! It may not seem like you are doing a lot as a logi player but it's little things like bringing fuel that can honestly change a lot on the battlefield!
Thanks for sharing this!
Scrooping is my break war, listening to my music instead of shells exploding all around you is nice.
This happens to me as well! I basically play every war but some wars are little bit lazier than others.
My break wars are similar to yours where I just sometimes log on for like an hour to scroop then log off ha
Foxhole is a game where you need to take a break multiple times as it is very repetitive.
but I never called it a break war ever, for some reason people do?, weird.
Also F for that logi guy, i can feel his pain.
Good video as well!, i finally start my logi again and my things will be delivered tomorrow. For colonials
I know during wars that are like 30+ days I for sure have couple days in there for breaks to play other games. Just needs to happen.
I've literally seen people say "I haven't played at all this war so it's a break war" lol!
Thanks for the kind words!
For the Legion!
I use the term break war, when the majority of major clans are inactive. For example: WN my clan = Inactive berely 5 people on out of 1300, Callahan's legion = Lower pop, they have a smaller facility, FMAT our biggest logi clan is also lower pop than an actual war. Thats why war eco is smaller than usual. The term isn't cope of all things, ye sure maybe ages ago. But I've only seen it used to talk about a clan taking a break or a war having lower pop because of burn out. Waiting out this war, taking a break, then playing hard again.
Update war we had like 100 people active at any given time. We QRF'd steel road 24/7. We had a facility that could eat up 11 trains of salvage. That was an active war. BTs being produced day in day out, boat parts being produced day in day out. War 110 is a break war because our facility right now only produces petrol. Thats the extent of its production. No one is online. To conclude I'd just say break war is clan oriented. Definitely not faction wise. Not when you have like 3000 players playing at any given time
Yeah I generally agree. When a lot of heavy hitter clans take a break for a given faction, the war tends to go poorly. That especially goes for logi clans. It’s not the only factor that determines the outcome of a war but it’s certainly one that shouldn’t be understated. In my mind, that’s typically what I associate with “break war”. It can occur with either faction.
That makes sense but there are still other people playing the game. Like this current war 111 I would call it more of a "relaxed war". I know I may be splitting hairs with terms but I think "break war" just invalidates everyone else who is still playing.
I appreciate your feedback and thoughts on this though! It's important discussion to have and discuss! Thank you!
God I wish there was at least 1-2 weeks of break between wars. Our clan were on Charlie during 108 and after we won that war, we had a solid like 2 weeks+ until 109 started on Able, it was so good to have that break
A week at least with special game mode in between.
It's honestly crazy how fast they start new wars. They are going from war 110 to war 111 in less than 48 hours which is nuts.
a war can only be a break war if EVERY regiment decides its a break war, and so far that has not happened.
I agree with this statement.
I started the second week of this year, and I took a week long break last week. I feel refreshed.
As someone who hasn't experienced the whole game or even a resistance phase, I completely agree and already apply some of the tips you mentioned. This is what I learned from past experiences playing other long-term games.
Welcome to Foxhole! Glad you have previous experience with games where you know you need to take a break!
This has been an especially long war so either the next one will be really short before the next update or the devs will do the update war next. Which players may or may not complain about ha.
Let me know if you ever have any questions about the game! And thanks again for your input on this!
Also, I would love to see your take and hear your thoughts on this war. In particular, with the nukes in the situation that's been going on the fingers and all the memes, I think that would be interesting. Side story video to do either now or once the war is over to get the whole story.
I've been mainly playing in the north this war so the only stuff I hear about the fingers is on reddit. I should check it out more and get some more information!
Good idea! I will see what I can come up with!
@@RobertLovesGames same for me Reaching Trails and The Moors. I only know like you the fingers from Reddit. Stopped by for an hour in the fingers. It just felt odd. People doing call outs for Msub distribution for all the maintenance tunnels. People actually responded and other sort of Peace Love and War sort of way.
Resistance phase should be Asymmetric warfare that picks up where the previous war ended. looseing team fights a gorilla war to take back ground while the previous wars winning team tries to hold ground.
Disable bunker building to give builders a break and allow for more partisan strikes.
Allow the Resistance faction (loosers of the previous war) to build encampments with hammers to launch deep viet cong operations.
The Conquering faction
(Winners of the previous war)
Get access to tanks but can only respawn at world structures like safe houses, relic bases, town halls.
That would be really interesting! Just put it all mainly in an urban hex or setting!
Would be interesting to try out.
Thanks for sharing your idea!
My personal solution was to rotate between different roles. While I usually do logi, when I get tired of that I play a partisan and make use of my logi knowledge to target resources. I also take part in artillery crews, usually as the loader, because I notice most players aren't interested in doing any artillery stuff. I tend to only get involved in direct fighting when it feels like there's a Big Wave incoming to the Relic Base/Town Base and it's an all hands on deck situation... though even then I use a mortar whenever possible, staying away from the big meat grinder
I agree completely! This makes the game so much more fun. After 1,400 hours I have now only just got into learning how to build bunker bases on the front. Picking up and learning different roles makes this game really fun.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
i like the idea that the devs should create some break war with funny game mods, like a Napoleonic war with only push gun and unprecised weapons or a fully naval war
That would be awesome if they tried it out.
Break wars aren't real. It's entirely subjective as far as I'm concerned.
By that metric if my group takes a war off is it a break war? Where do you draw the line?
The real war is player vs game / mechanics. We have reached the attrition phase of this war. What ever faction stays on, stays motivated, fights and doesn't log off typically wins.
Exactly! It's weird to think about but some people really do believe that if certain clans take a break then the war doesn't count lol
I agree with you! Any war past 30 days is all about attrition and motivation. Who wants it more?
During resistance phase they can do, csgo style terrorist vs counter terrorist game mode,or some thing
Something like that would be awesome! Just do a hex that is like 90% urban/town combat or something.
I'd say most "break wars" are ones where clans decide to switch side completely out numbering the other team. Does this mean the other team can't win? No, but major clans are an essential force to build and run factories to contribute to the war effort. So by multiple large clans to switch to, let's say, collie but no collie clans switch over its likely to give them an advantage. This doesn't even include the numbers of casuals to choose the high pop sides on purpose
I don't like to call any war a break war normally and if I were to call a any war a break war I would only consider it a break if a war last less than 20 days. That to me says that one side was not playing at all.
And I agree with you that clans can make a difference but there are still a lot of other factors that can determine a war as well. I honestly just hate when players make excuses about losing a war.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
The leader of the regiment I joined said there were a lot of burned out officers in his ranks... have you done a video on that phenomenon before?
I have not but I’ll look into it! What regiment?
I think break wars are real but not in the same sense that other folks have talked about them on Reddit or how you mentioned them in the video. From my experience, break wars come in organize chaos and non-organized chaos. When the larger regiments decide to leave, leaving the little guys in randoms to defend the front lines and produce for the logistical end of things. In saying this, the numbers and the game do not decrease or increase. It's just whether or not one site is organized or not in anything they do. That's my definition of what a prequel is is when the larger groups tend to step aside and let the smaller groups take up arms and become the hero that war assuming they win
This is honestly a good way to look at it. One side might just be more "coordinated" than the other because the larger clans didn't take a "break".
I can see this being a better definition for "break war".
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
@@RobertLovesGames sorry for the jumble mess that was my voice to text .
To the idea of different game modes, I think more events like Relic war would be great. Or a war with temporary balance changes or tech progress. Could even have unique maps or map layouts (more buildings, terrain changes) for some wars.
As to the resistance mode and breaks between wars, the issue is that if people stop playing as a collect break, the prolong reduction in player count hurts the game's steam rating in recommendations, prevents new players from finding the game. Also since the game doesn't have much of a tutorial, having a radically different game mode can hurt new players in understanding the game.
I think including more variety at different stages of the game and helping reduce burnout either through mechanics or encouraging players to abandon bases they don't need or overbuilt would be a good way forward.
Agreed something pretty different than a normal war. That's true about the new game mode hurting the normal game for new players.
Some quality of life is really needed.
Thanks for your input on this!
Huh
My impression of “break wars” was more of an excuse for outfits explaining why they’re keeping piles of stuff for silly activities or why they aren’t interested in cooperating - “my boss is out of the office so I can’t talk to anyone without his ok 🤷♀️ “
lol!
Like Zach, some days ya just need to have a quick vent and cry behind the blast furnace, and then back to work.
lol! So true! Especially when you have someone come take away all your coke! ha
What motivates me to come back to foxhole is being with the developers for so long and seeing the care they put into the game.
I miss the bi-weekly devstreams that just kept us informed on what issues the dev's were aware of and what things they were considering for down the line.
Nowadays, the game is designed in a way that just doesn't respect an individual players time, and each new update I come back hoping that they address that issue and make the game less tedious so I don't feel like the game has a ball and chain over my free time.
I've been taking time off from the game in hopes that the next big quality of life update steps us closer in the right direction. I primarily like to be a support player, giving people what they need by performing the role most people would rather not do. As a result I'm able to narrow down the things that kill peoples enjoyment in this game fairly well, because I end up spending most of my time doing those tasks so other people don't.
I do my best to optimize those tasks so I don't end up stuck doing them at the expense of my enjoyment, but it's very hard to argue in favor of certain mechanics of the game when it often feels like you are fighting the game mechanics more than the actual opposing faction.
Sorry for the late reply Zach. Wanted to make sure I had time to really read this and give a response.
I would love for bi-weekly devstreams to come back or some kind of update that is routine and not just when new updates are coming out or when the server hamster is on fire.
And I agree with you about not respecting the players time. This game is in desperate need of quality of life features that help individual players out more.
Sounds like you and I play the same role.
I appreciate the hard work you put into Foxhole and all that you have done for the community honestly. Others may not see your contribution or agree with the route that you do it but I think overall you have been a positive asset for this community.
I hope your break continues to go well and hope to see you back out there soon!
@@RobertLovesGames Ya, people only really recognize me for that time I built bases next to border bases.
But it's really hard to be known as the guy that does maintenance work, it's akin to remembering the guy that deliveries the fuel container at the storage depot.
I just hope one day the workload isn't so bad so I can get it done quickly and go back to having fun on the front with the others.
@@Zackreaver That is a shame the people only know you for that one situation. You have done so much more for Foxhole and that shouldn't be how you are remembered in the game.
And as logi person I know that we do a lot of thankless task. No one sees all the stuff we do behind the curtains most of the time. Except sometimes other logi players.
Hope to see you back out there soon!
fyi for the last video about resitance phase the devs just updated the deadharvest ui. do with that info what you will
That's very good info to know... Thanks for sharing that!
7:18 when I was playing colonial in war 108 (my first war) I got really attached to faranac coast since that’s where I fought my first major battle it was a really fun siege to play in. I was doing mostly infantry so it’s defiantly different but getting attached to faranac coast brought me a sense of “fictional nationalism” and seeing it fall was tragic and for the rest of the war my reason for fighting was avenge faranac coast and or take it back
I love this spirit! This is so awesome thanks for sharing that!
I love getting attached to certain areas during a war because in future wars I can drive though those hexes and remember all the good times I had in them in previous wars.
Thanks for sharing this!
I find this quite funny, consnidering one of your newer videos was about break War 118 ^^.
And that graphic regarding morale is soooo spot on after War 117 😂
2:42 How tf are faction loyalists above alts? Maybe I’m using a different definition but in my view an alt is someone who plays for one faction, gets an alt on another and begins to sabotage things.
So when I made this video I pretty much categorized faction loyalist as the type of people that don't look at the entire game but only view things from their set faction. They constantly blame losing a war on balance or population and are constantly making excuses why their faction sucks. They never look at things from the other side.
It's kind of confusing because in my mind there are also good "faction loyalist" who don't complain about everything but always play on the same faction. I didn't explain that very well in this video and I apologize. Honestly if I could go back I would put faction loyalist below alts now. I think back then I was just really salty against toxic faction loyalist.
@ Fair enough. I guess alts are sort of an extension of bad faction loyalists in a way, if you’re already used to arguing scummy you’re more likely to play scummy. I guess it’s two different types of harm. One harms the community and the other harms the game itself.
Resistance phases becoming meme wars would be such an amazing idea I had never even considered.
Just test out an idea small scale for a week, get feedback from us regular idiots instead of only the power gamers on Dev branch, and if an idea gets traction THEN send it to Dev branch for a legitimate work over.
Exactly! You get it!
Apparently they've said at some point that it's not possible for one reason or another (might have been marketing?) For them to go more than 2 or 3 days between wars. Take that with a grain of salt, ive never found the source for that claim. It would explain the trend though
I'm sure they have a good reason on why they keep it so short. Probably sales or numbers thing for steam.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Having a week long special event between wars would be great to alleviate the burnout for everyone, I still believe that the devs need to expand the overall battlefield by three to four times its current size if not more, the hexes are too small considering that we now have navel units.
Exactly! I agree. Bigger hexes would be great! I want more Urban area hexes as well!
I also believe every war counts but I can’t put in 100% on every war.
Rightfully so. Everyone needs breaks. My overall thought for this video is even though more players might be taking a break during certain wars it does not mean it "doesn't" count :D
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
a game mode that would be entertaining would be some kinda frontline war where only frontline hexs are available and all depots are full of every type of item so every player can be in a frontline hex having fun or messing around. Another Nice video keep it up!
That would honestly be pretty cool to try out!
Thanks for sharing that idea!
My regi took a break this war so in that sense it has felt like a “break war” for me and a few others that are still playing now and then. As a warden it does feel like earlier in this war we were hurting really badly but the collies lost momentum and now it feels like this war is gonna drag extra long😢
And I mean it “feels like” in the sense that the regi usually ran 2 or 3 ops a week some times more and now we haven’t had one for over a month… obviously the wardens as a whole aren’t taking a break but for me particularly it feels different. Like I haven’t even launched the game in a few days because as a solo it’s just a respawn simulator at this point in the war
I also don’t go around saying it’s a break war just because my regi took a break, I have said in idle chatter that “my regi is taking a break this war so I’m just trying to do what I can as a solo” but that isn’t an indication of a faction as a whole
It did drag extra long! Glad you took this war "off" and were able to chill!
I've had a couple wars where literally all I do is log on and scroop and that is it ha.
Have you ever done solo logi? If you are more into combat pick up groups for ops, tanking and arty are pretty easy to find. Let me know if you ever need help with how to do that!
GGs this war!
Break wars do exsist.. sometimes there are wars that start right before a major update (like a week before). These are ended artificially by the devs to make way for the new update. These are the ONLY times where I would consider it an actual break war since the game is being cut short.
That's technically true but how often has that happened? Like 2 or 3 times? They don't even count it as a real war at all. It's just the awkward time between war ending and update.
Like war 111 I bet most will consider a "break war" because the next war should be the update war.
I will agree with you though those wars they don't count because of updates could be considered break war.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
This is why I support the collaboration between independent Logistics players and independent Infantry players.
The big guilds have too much power while online and too much impact while offline.
FOR THE LEGION!
I like it! Keep up the good leadership work!
I just missed the majority of the naval update and i can safely say that before it the game was much more populated, twice as now... Feels kinda sad that a game i enjoy is starting to die out
Happens every update. Game is super popular for the update war then gets back to its "normal" player base until the next update.
I love you Robert! My goal is to see you on the battlefield!
Thanks for the kind words!
I've been playing Collie this war and playing in the north or Ash Fields for logi! Maybe see you around!
I always thought the term 'Break War' would feel horrible for new players. This never happened to me but imaging joining the game and doing some great stuff during the war they joined in, then some clan vet says that sure you did good but it wasn't as important as it was in a 'Break War'. It'd just make them feel like they got a lesser victory and make them feel worse about something they should feel proud about in winning the war you fight for
Exactly! Which is why we really need to abolish the term and ignore the people that are saying it's a "break war"
Thanks for your sharing your thoughts on this!
It's a break war because I'm busy
You heard it hear folks! This is an official break war because @susangoaway is to busy for this war! Wrap it up!
Im a fairly new and casual player. In four months I have barely begun to explore all there is to do in Foxhole. When you say new players get bored with four months of no updates, do you mean power players?
Maybe or players that just stick to one role. Like players that only do combat or players that only do logi. I see those players drop off more than players they change their roles around often. Like for me I’m 60% logi 15% facilities 15% combat and 10% bunker building. Maybe some other roles like medic or arty randomly sprinkled in.
i feel that burn out lol logging in and seeing msupps causes me physical pain lol
Lol I’ve been there. Or having to be the only one to clear a coal field most of the day ha
Man, the interwar period should be made a separate game mode, that's a no-brainer
Right? My vote is for hex that is 90% urban and just have urban street fights for like a week before next war starts.
Break wars are real but I treat them as a personal thing, not as a regiment / faction wide thing.
I like this! Everyone needs a break.
Makes the game feel so much more refreshing when you come back!
Thanks for your insight on this!
If i''m both a faction and shard loyalist and salty, can i be SS ranked on your hate list?
lol! Yes you are Super Saiyan Instinct Toxic Player status ha
what if im a faction loyalist cuz i like the style and not cuz "durr we better"
Then we got no beef.
I should have made that clear. I got nothing against players that only play one faction. I play warden 90% of the time so I get it.
Damn, it's been over 4 months already since I played... I would play this game much more if it wasnt such a grindfest in logistic and building mechanics
Ha! Understandable honestly. Hopefully in this next update they fix that and do some quality of life.
If I can recommend something if you are a big logi or builder player is just to mix it up a bit and go play different roles like more combat related ones. That sometimes is a nice "break" as well but still getting to play some.
I'm not that sure.
But as for me, complaining about “Break wars”, while not doing the same in relation to the logistics strike, is somehow a little hypocritical, but rather strange. This is not a complaint, but rather a question.
It seems to me that “Break Wars” can, or even should, be perceived as a note of protest, yes - unorganized, yes - scattered, full of useless complaints, dismoralization and aggression, but still a protest.
After all, as was said, there are many problems in the game, which I will not repeat, because I agree with what was said.
But I would like to add the problem of the lack of a real “super weapon” that could “really end the war".After all, even the most powerful weapon - the Nuclear Bomb (missile) was researched almost 2 weeks ago and was used more than once, but the end of the war is still not in sight. The later stages of the war turned into an eternal battle with cities and fortresses from bunkers, as if we were in the world of the game REDCON. And more or less adequate ways to deal with them, unorganized groups of people, cannot lead to much result. Moreover, this gameplay does not bring pleasure even to the defenders, because it has become a chore to supply and protect these bases from self-destruction, and repairing them soon turned into a joke, several dozen people per meta-fork. And as a result, we get a situation in which the attackers have to spend a lot of effort and skillful organization to break through, and the defenders have to spend even more tedious work waiting for the very day when it will come in handy. And if you don’t do this, the enemy will. Damn, this looks like the First World War.
Actually, as I said, this, in my opinion, should be perceived as a semi-silent protest, indirectly directed towards the developers. Although it looks much worse compared to the organized strike of logisticians who knew what they wanted.
But we must not forget that an unorganized protest without ideas, “for everything good, against everything bad,” never led to anything good.
I'm not sure whether the translator will be able to translate such text correctly. So I’ll leave the untranslated version here.
Я не то, что бы уверен. Но как по мне, жаловаться на "Break wars", при этом не делать этого по отношению к забастовке логистов, как-то немного, не то чтобы лицемерно, а скорее странно. Это не претензия, а скорее вопрос.
Мне кажется "Break wars", можно, или даже нужно, воспринимать как ноту протеста, да - неорганизованного, да - разрозненного, полного бесполезных жалоб, дизморализиции и агрессии, но всё-таки протеста.
Ведь как и было сказано в игре много проблем, о которых я не буду повторятся, потому что согласен со сказанным. Но хотел бы добавить проблему отсутствия реального "супероружия", что могло б "реально закончить войну". Ведь даже Самое мощное оружие - Ядерная бомба (ракета) была исследована уже почти как 2 недели назад и использовалась не единожды, а конца войны так реально и не видать. Поздние этапы войны, превратились в вечный битвы с городами крепостями из бункеров, будто мы в мире игры REDCON. А более менее адекватных способов бороться с ними, неорганизованными группками людей, не то чтобы могут привести к большому результату. Так более того этот геймплей не приносит удовольствия даже обороняющимся, ведь это стало мутороной работой, для снабжения и защиты от самоуничтожения этих баз, а ремонт их это уже скоро превратился в шутку, по несколько десятков человек на одну мета-вилку.
И в итоге мы получаем ситуацию в которой наступающим приходится тратить много усилий и умелой организации для прорыва, а обороняющимся ещё более нудной роботы в ожидании того самого дня, когда оно пригодится. А если ты так не сделаешь то это сделает противник. Блин, какая-то первая мировая получается. Собственно, как и сказал, это как по мне, стоит воспринимать как полу молчаливый протест, опосредовано направленный к разработчикам. Хотя он и смотрится намного хуже по сравнению с организованной забастовкой логистов, которые знали что хотят.
Но и не нужно забывать, что неорганизованный протест без идей, "за все хорошее, против всего плохого", никогда не приводил к чему-то хорошему.
I agree that break wars can be in protest of the current meta of whatever players don't like. From the logi strike we can see that it was extreme enough that they just called it a strike instead of a break.
I don't think any kind of super weapon is really needed. I know many might not agree with this but I like that a way to win a war can be by morale and just battle of attrition. Shows who wants it more and who is willing to put in more of the logi work to get it done. People say it as a joke sometimes but logi really does win wars.
Hopefully I got all that you said correctly! Thanks for your input on this and talking about this! Always good to have these conversations!
8:12 armored core foxhole (free mechs with infinite ammo)
That would be sick! lol
1:30 tf2 players 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
LOL! We shouldn't have to live like this ha
im taking a break off this game and honestly its a pretty good idea to have a break, but people saying its a break war is just wrong. ive got 730 hours already! its time to have a little break and play some other games too :3
Good on you for taking a break! Come back when you are ready or even maybe for the new update that should be out in about a month.
Have a good break!
Why do you hate faction loyalists more than alts? What's wrong with being committed to your chosen faction?
Faction loyalist that ignore nerds or buffs are the ones I’m more referring to. They ignore the flaws in Foxhole and just blame the other faction.
Plus with that list I was being a bit dramatic ha
@@RobertLovesGames Ah, because I'm in the 27th and we're an exclusively Warden regi. I don't have anything against people rolling Collie. It's just aesthetically and in terms of lore I have a preference for the Wardens.
I have more preference for Wardens as well because of the snow and blue uniforms ha
Ain't no way Wardens going on a break war i mean they probably have their break war(just a couple weeks probably) and now's their time to turn the tide of the War, like look at that Death ratio thing on the Warden sides to many unlike the Colonials
Yea this war current war is certainly not a break war. People are going ham in a lot of hexes.
This is turning out to be one of my favorite wars.
@@RobertLovesGames if this goes past days than war 100 and Wardens win this is my Favourite War
ooooo another youtube rant about foxhole! Nice fresh content!
Thank you!
Game server is currently unplayable=break war
Break wars* I should say rather (and obviously just for me)
Yea game servers have been pretty wonky honestly.
Shard loyalist, faction loyalist and salty vets don't scare me. But that (player that say "break war")... It terrified me
Side note: alts shouldn't be counted in this at all. They are the lowest of the low
lol! I should have added that Incredibles meme
True true! My tier list might need further review.
Individuals take break wars, maybe clans, but never factions
Exactly.
wise words
Thank you!
This game is more of a chore than a game lol. Only fun i have is playing as a infantry man or tankman, or whenever bigger clans let me man the battleship turrets... But other than that its a chore, and doing those factory or logi work people doesnt even thank you... And this been an issue ever since. This game is destined to die out, slowly
For some reason I love the chores of logistics. It's just so relaxing to me. I don't mind slaving away making ammo and tanks for people to use and go have fun with ya know?
And over time I know some players learn that they can do a task and don't expect a "thank you". I've learned so much about the game that I just know when I'm making good logistical plays that are helping my faction.
Also me doing logi so much makes the 10% of the time I do infantry or tanking so much more fun because I don't play it often.
Thanks for your insight and thoughts on this! I don't think it means the game is destined to die out I just think it's destined to stay a very specific niche for very specific player base.
I like being logi Guy but the placement of refirneries sucks hard. I have to travel 3 regions to get Back and to frontline its really boring. Also there was shorter way where you had to travel with boat but IT was soo slow and there were too many abbandoned ships I got burned out bc of that.
Sorry for my bad engils Im on my phone
That's why you need to utilize storage depots and seaports that are closer to where you are in the front.
And you need to break logi task up when getting on I have found. Gathering is its own play session, refining and crafting are there own play sessions and delivering supplies is its own play session.
And no bad English at all that was great!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the game!
Claiming a breakwar for an entire faction invalidates the people who are actually fighting in the war and trying to win.
its just rude.
Exactly! Still lot of people in every war out there trying to win.
“Collies only use it to tease the wardens when morale is low, it’s used as a weapon of propaganda to get wardens to quit.” This is a very normative and subjective statement that does not transmit neutral vibes. In my opinion this is very untrue statement because I have definitely seen wardens rage bait with break war stuff, both sides do it.
With that statement though I may have not made it clear was taken from history on how it use to be. I'm pretty sure right after this I state that both factions complain about break war equally now.
I agree with you that both sides rage and say break war when they are losing. Happens every time. Think we are on the same page. Sorry I didn't make my statement more clear.
Thanks for pointing this out and challenging me on it! Appreciate it!
I see the first mistake you made first , listening to reddit.
game is nowadays more of a job than actual casual fun if you ever want to experience further vehicles and equipment if youre not in X big clan , overall the burnout is due to A spending god know how many hours IRL in logistics for some stuff that end ups blow up or lost in hours and it doesnt help if it is due to server issues or some third party influences , the other reason of why everyone calls break war everything is simple , its now as a slang rather than people really taking a break since there is people 100% invested IRL in this game or in other words dont have real lives and spend every fiber of their being playing for some dopanine they get doing logi (which is just hammering a virtual pile of scrap and waiting hours for some material , repeat a rinse)
Can you put your thoughts together? Only thing i managed to understand from here is that listening to reddit is bad - which i totally agree with,but whats the remaining context here? Why people who dedicate themself are bad? Or what are they? Yes there are people who play after their work is finished, but why are they bad? I dont understand you. Logi has to be done its part of the game, and to judge people who do these stuff is not very nice.
lol true. Some good things can be said on reddit at times though ha. Or at least it has good memes.
This game needs some quality of life to help people not get burnout honestly. Otherwise another big logi strike may be coming soon.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
I'm a faction Loyalist Colonial form War 69 :D till Now so now you hate me too.
Nice! lol
I only hate faction loyalist if they are toxic. I just have made sure that was clear ha
Ngl, I think break wars are pointless, unless your a warden then it’s definitely not cope 🤫 and it’s because collie stuff is OP
lol
We need updates, cosmetics so we can support the developers etc. because without these the game will die.
I've thought about this quite a bit and I really wouldn't mind some small micro transaction to help the devs. I know a lot of players hate this idea it just really depends on how they would implement it. I'm not 100% but I think the devs are also funded by the Canadian government for Foxhole as well.
I would also buy "Foxhole 2" if they ever decided to transfer the game onto Unreal 5 like they are doing with Anvil Empires.
Thanks for your thoughts on this!
Interesting
Mmm yes quite interesting…
SCHRAUBEN SIE DAS 82DK
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Zackreavers lmao
Always commend Zach if you see him. He does a lot!
@@RobertLovesGames he doesn't live the game, he is - the game
break war exist,clan not playing for the war is a break war,eitheir you like it or not,you can defend the game as much as you want robert but the nthing is its not perfect and there is still to improve and yes there is break war
I agree with you that there is a lot to improve with Foxhole. I in no way think Foxhole is perfect. I'm constantly bashing the devs for not adding things or fixing things.
I respect your opinion about break wars but don't agree with it. People are still out there playing and trying to win the war. No war is a break war.
Nahh jd break
Lol