As you say, Jeremiah was not talking about Christmas trees. He was writing hundreds of years before Christmas became a celebration. He was pointing out the idolatry of the people of that day and, like Tertullian, was warning against the idolatry of those who put their hope in earthly gods and things. The Christmas tree was not recognised as a use of Christmas celebration until the time of the Reformation, in Germany, but even then Christians were not worshipping their trees. Evergreens are a near-universal symbol of hope and Christmas trees are merely a reminder of Christ and how darkness was defeated through him.
@@tan1591 The Christian author, Tertullian, wrote as early as A.D. 190-220 that Christians hang more “wreaths and laurels” than the pagans. He ends with (talking about Jesus) “You are a light of the world, and a tree ever green". The early Christians, many of whom knew Christ or their parents or grandparents did, were not afraid of evergreens as decor - it is nothing else - just decor, helping to remind us of Jesus' birth and the everlasting life he came to offer us.
@@tan1591 Oh for goodness sake - have you lost all commonsense? It doesn't matter when exactly he was born. What matters is that we celebrate his birth.
Candy Clews you seem to get triggered by that question and resort to an illogical insult. It isn’t common sense to lie and say “happy birthday” to Jesus in December 25. While you have every second, day, year and month to celebrate his resurrection. Can you show me in scriptures why we can use a pagan originated holiday to celebrate Jesus brith? Or to even celebrate his birth? Instead “and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”” I Corinthians 11:24-25 NKJV
"I want you make my life better Jesus... You're like a dying man on the operating table asking for plastic surgery. You want a face lift but you need a heart transplant." - LOVE IT! Thanks for your videos!
Hi Mike, Jesus was not born in a manger, which is a feeding trough, but he was placed in a manger after He was born!! People often mistake the structure or cave in which He born for being a manger !! Love your teachings!!🤗🌺🙏💖
I don't think people think Jesus was born in a Manger...as if Mary was lying in the manger and Jesus was born that way. I just think it's poorly worded. I've never heard of people not knowing what a Manger is (English speakers that is)
Chances are he was born in a traditional troglodyte home. Animals were kept on ground level while the bedrooms were located upstairs. The bible lets us know he was born among animals: it's very likely it was because there were no room available, it just means he was in the lower part of a house (among animals).
I just found your channel on Russlon's thank you so much for preaching a true gospel and having the heart of a teacher to teach. I am learning sooo much!
There is a very big difference between a decoration and an idol. It is apparent that there are some who can't make that distinction when comes to something as mundane as a tree. Funny....They will paint and adorn their walls with all manner of "decorations" and that is ok. But a tree, that is somehow an abomination.... WHAT? The meaning of a symbol comes only from the mind of those see it. A symbol has no intrinsic meaning of its own. Only that which we individually give it. Why would one impart a meaning of their own to an object found in my house. An object that may have a completely different meaning to me. Then turn around and accuse me of thanking about the object in the same way as they do. What make them think that I think the same about the object as they do? How could I possibly be responsible for their thoughts? What a Christmas tree may have meant to people one thousand years ago or even to you is irrelevant to what it means to me today. When I look a Christmas tree all I see is a decoration that reminds of all the sacrifices God has done for all of us. Like a beautiful sunset decorating the handy work of God's earth itself. The glory of the sunset reminds us of the one that made it.
Christmas is the only time of the year where the carved images of Jesus and Mary are allowed in the Protestant's household. Don't take my manger scene away!
Satan deceived Eve with "yea hath God said...?" He always come to cast doubt on God's commands and the consequences of breaking them. God said not to worship Him the way the pagans worship their god so I won't. Period. We are to worship God in spirit and in truth. We don't just do whatever we want and hold it up to a Holy God. We worship God according to the truth revealed in His Word. And I don't care if there's no source for trees being pagan, I'll air on the side of caution and spend that time and money by doing something for someone in need to honor my savior's birth. Besides we are told to remember His death not His birth. thru communion we proclaim and remember His death, and abide with Him. God called Abraham to leave his family, maybe it's not a good sign if we can't leave a family tradition for Him.
I don't condemn anyone for having a tree, but I don't condone it either. And not because of Jeremiah 10 but because if I just used the scriptures for shaping my faith and practice, I would have never come up with decorating a tree for Him from scripture. God was very detailed with how He wants to be worshipped in scripture and a deviation from this was and still is flat out evil. We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. His Word is truth and is where we find out how He wants to be worshipped. Cutting and decorating a tree is never suggested in how we celebrate Him. And there is more scripture to support NOT doing this. Last Christmas I learned about the pagan elements in our celebration and I was taking an honest look at my tree and realized that thing was more for me, and if I'm not willing to give it up for Him then who am I really seeking to celebrate at Christmas; my lust of the eyes because I want a pretty tree or my Savior who payed in His body and blood for every transgression of the law; which included worshipping God in pagan ways. Like Jesus took my sins seriously in the Garden of Gethsemane in thinking of what He would go thru, sweating drops of blood, I will take a serious look at my Christmas traditions and air on the side of caution and cut out what I'm not 100% certain is acceptable to Him! We will stand before Him and I'd rather Him say you were a little too serious about things then hear Him say you weren't serious enough. Selah
@Sanctifiedby Truth, ARE YOU AWARE MANY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT NOT ALL WORSHIP SATAN AND WORK IN CONCERT WITH SATAN FOR MONEY AND PROMITIONS. THE JUDGES, DA'S, COURTS, CORRECTION ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU HAVE TO PITY THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN ALSO BE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT SATAN DECIEVED. LIFE IS A TEST THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. THE WAY SATAN RULES THE WORLD IS BY PEOPLE FOLLOWING IT DIRECTLY WHERE THE DEVIL/FALLEN ANGELS TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND THEY CARRY OUT SATAN'S TASKS. LITTLE DO THEY REALIZE THAT SATAN IS TRYING TO TAKE AS MANY INTO HELL WITH HIM/HER. IF THESE WORKERS OF SATAN WERE TO ALL TURN AWAY FROM SATAN AT THIS VERY SECOND AROUND THE WORLD, SATAN'S KINGDOM WOULD COLLAPSE IN SECONDS AND WE WOULD HAVE A PARADISE HERE ON EARTH. AS LONG AS THESE PEOPLE TAKE ORDERS FROM THE SPIRITUAL WORLD THEY WILL CONTINUE TO HAND OVER GOD'S KINGDOM TO SATAN AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT SATAN NEVER TOLD THEM FOR DOING SO IS A FIERY GRAVE IN HELL.
What is the purpose of the tree in the first place? And please don't just tell me "I don't know, people probably thought it looked pretty, it's just decoration." Why the use of a tree to celebrate the "christian mass"?
Hi Mike! I see the date..... what does Christmas mean to me 4reals? I was thinking about this and how many people would get truly offended by my real answer when.....voila! You just said what I think! I enjoy all the glitter and twinkle of the commercial stuff and have fun with it! I truly enjoy getting together with people and giving gifts to those who mean a lot to me as a kind of thank you. Its all very superficial and has no religious meaning. I spend some time reading The Christmas Stories and the gift God gave us, but that's private and brief. Why? Because I have a DAILY relationship with God! All the traditions are fun, but there is no longer a spiritual need to focus on the "True Meaning of Christmas" in my life because of my daily walk with Him! There was no conscious decision to separate the two. It just sort of happened as my relationship became an all day thing! Once again, this year will be about friends and family and having fun. The only religious nod to Christmas will be one or two days of reading about Christ's birth, but I'm SOOOOOO grateful for being forgiven of my ALL of my sins and the things He's done in my life every day that a special day set aside is just redundant. I hope everybody reaches this point of their spiritual lives! God has changed me so much over the years that I can't help but be grateful every day! I should have turned out a LOT different than I am! God Bless!
THIS IS BRILLIANT. I recommend you for your superb reply to this particular comments section. Very well put and very well explained. I myself keep the "True meaning" more than the "superficial"stuff but it is as you say something everyone should want to do in their own way,IF they want to celebrate Christmas. Christmas is very,very,VERY personal to those who celebrate this Christian Festival. If you are one of those who choose not to celebrate Christmas then please do not hinder those who want to. You have your choice and we have ours. Thank you very much indeed.
@MikeWinger. I had an “aha” moment when you brought clarity to Jeremiah 10. At first pass, without a careful reading and in context, it can easily be misunderstood. That’s why we need good leaders like yourself to help us learn and grow in our understanding of Scripture! 👍🏼👍🏼 You’re so smart!
Do you mean false leaders like him to put a stumbling block before you like Balaam taught Balak to do unto the sons of Israel? There is only one way to read Jeremiah 10 and it's the way that should result in you wanting to go on a christmas tree burning spree. NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE!!! 2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but set apart men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by the Ruach Kodesh (holy spirit). Exodus 34:13 "But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their groves." Does it say anywhere here to make your house into a grove or does it say to cut down the Pagan groves?? Exodus 34:12-22 "Be careful of yourself, in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, to avoid the risk of it becoming a snare to you: but you shall destroy their altars, break their pillars and cut down their groves: because you shall worship no other mighty one, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El: in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and perform sacrifice to their mighty ones, and one of them calls you, and you eat of his sacrifice; and you take their daughters as wives for your sons, and their daughters prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and make your sons prostitute themselves for their mighty ones. You shall not make yourself any molten idols. You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days as I commanded you, in the month of the Aviv: because it was in the month of Aviv that you came out of Egypt." In this passage, Yahweh tells us to not mix with the heathens because they might seduce us into following after false gods. Instead, he commands us to destroy the altars, idols and groves (of trees and plants carved into phallic symbols that represent their false fertility gods) they have made to worship their false gods with because Yahweh will not have any false gods in his face and we are to worship him alone. If we don't destroy their altars, we run the risk of letting them seduce us into their heathen practices. Yahweh then says a big fat NO to molten idols (like a golden calf or a metal star on top of your Ra's penis trees). He then tells us what we are actually supposed to celebrate: the feast of unleavened bread which is one of his seven feasts/moedim (appointed times). TLDR: Yahweh said don't celebrate Pagan unholy days, but make sure you observe my feasts. What do most professing believers do? They celebrate the Pagan filth and trample all over Yahweh's feasts. Deuteronomy 12:30-32 "Take heed to yourself that you don't become snared by following them, after they are destroyed before you; and that you don't enquire after their mighty ones (false gods), saying: 'how did these nations serve their mighty ones? I will serve mine in the same way that they served theirs.' You shall not do this to Yahweh your Elohim, because every abomination to Yahweh, that he hates, they have done to their mighty ones; they even burned their sons and daughters in the fire to their mighty ones. Whatever I command you, make sure that you do it: you shall not add to it or take away from it." I took this passage from the King James Version and then put the old English thees and thous into a modern vernacular. I also replaced "gods" (lower case g) for mighty ones and "the LORD thy God" for Yahweh your Elohim. Nothing has been added or subtracted, I've just made it easier to understand to a modern reader.
Joshua Hall:Why is Mike Winger a false teacher? Oh!!Because he sees no wrong in celebrating the Christian festival of Christmas. Have you not watched this video? Every reason that people like you bring up to oppose those Christians who want to celebrate Christmas is well and truly DEBUNKED. Mike Winger as you can hear (if you care to watch)as diligently done much research into how Christmas came about and he as found all the sort of tales you bring up are ALL MYTHS. All untrue. The early Church fathers wanted to put some time aside to celebrate and give thanks to God for doing such a loving thing as to send his Only Begotten Son to be the ransom sacrifice for the sins of mankind. They decided to have a a holiday (Holy-Days)and called it Christmas. They also knew that they could use this time of celebration to convert the pagans to commit to Christianity. They chose December 25th to do just that. As for Christmas trees being pagan as Mike shows you (if you watch) they definitely are not. Do you not know that the Holy Scriptures of God's words instructed the people of the time to decorate the Holy Temple with pine? It seems that pine trees are one of Our Heavenly Father's favourite trees. Of course Ido not agree with everything about the modern day Christmas. Santa Clause is given far too much attention from children and in fact should have nothing what so ever to do with Christmas. The over commercialism of the modern Christmas also doesn't sit well with me either. Christmas is the time to give thanks to God for giving us the GREATEST gift in the history of the Universe. The only time that a baby as been born spiritually on this planet is a joyous reason to sing your heart out and praise God with all of your might. It all comes down to this. If you want to celebrate Christmas then by all means do so. The Holy Word of God tells us "If you want to make days special then do it to THE GLORY OF GOD." Hannaka is a man made festival that isn't God given yet the Holy Word Of God tells us that Jesus Christ attended it. If you don't want to celebrate Christmas then don't that is your priority. However don't put down those who do want to join in the celebrations. You have a choice. Everyone as a choice. It is completely up to you which one you choose.
@@darrenplumpton8900 I like Mike a lot and listen to a lot of his teachings but I feel this one is wrong. I have a lot of issues with Christmas, you wouldn’t wear a pentagram so why would you partake in a festival that has clear roots in paganism.
Jer 10 i obviously speaking of xmas trees, this has been going on long before Jesus was ever born! That is how we know for a fact that xmas sis of the devil. People just love them some Satan.
There is only one way to read Jeremiah 10 and it's the way that should result in you wanting to go on a christmas tree burning spree. NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE!!! 2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but set apart men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by the Ruach Kodesh (holy spirit). Exodus 34:13 "But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their groves." Does it say anywhere here to make your house into a grove or does it say to cut down the Pagan groves?? Exodus 34:12-22 "Be careful of yourself, in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, to avoid the risk of it becoming a snare to you: but you shall destroy their altars, break their pillars and cut down their groves: because you shall worship no other mighty one, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El: in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and perform sacrifice to their mighty ones, and one of them calls you, and you eat of his sacrifice; and you take their daughters as wives for your sons, and their daughters prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and make your sons prostitute themselves for their mighty ones. You shall not make yourself any molten idols. You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days as I commanded you, in the month of the Aviv: because it was in the month of Aviv that you came out of Egypt." In this passage, Yahweh tells us to not mix with the heathens because they might seduce us into following after false gods. Instead, he commands us to destroy the altars, idols and groves (of trees and plants carved into phallic symbols that represent their false fertility gods) they have made to worship their false gods with because Yahweh will not have any false gods in his face and we are to worship him alone. If we don't destroy their altars, we run the risk of letting them seduce us into their heathen practices. Yahweh then says a big fat NO to molten idols (like a golden calf or a metal star on top of your Ra's penis trees). He then tells us what we are actually supposed to celebrate: the feast of unleavened bread which is one of his seven feasts/moedim (appointed times). TLDR: Yahweh said don't celebrate Pagan unholy days, but make sure you observe my feasts. What do most professing believers do? They celebrate the Pagan filth and trample all over Yahweh's feasts. Deuteronomy 12:30-32 "Take heed to yourself that you don't become snared by following them, after they are destroyed before you; and that you don't enquire after their mighty ones (false gods), saying: 'how did these nations serve their mighty ones? I will serve mine in the same way that they served theirs.' You shall not do this to Yahweh your Elohim, because every abomination to Yahweh, that he hates, they have done to their mighty ones; they even burned their sons and daughters in the fire to their mighty ones. Whatever I command you, make sure that you do it: you shall not add to it or take away from it." I took this passage from the King James Version and then put the old English thees and thous into a modern vernacular. I also replaced "gods" (lower case g) for mighty ones and "the LORD thy God" for Yahweh your Elohim. Nothing has been added or subtracted, I've just made it easier to understand to a modern reader.
@@shadow_ow2 I think you did not listen to the video. 🙁 Jeremiah 10 is obviously about cutting down a tree to carve an idol and overlay it with gold or silver and worship it. Where are you getting your interpretation from? One big mistake you are making in your quoting of scripture, is that you are taking commands specifically to Israel and trying to apply them to Gentile Christians today. The feast of unleavened bread was Israel's commemoration of the Passover. Gentiles were not part of Israel or that particular event. Obviously we are not to make idols of wood, gold, and silver, because we are to worship God only. 😁👍👍 That's God's moral law that applies to the whole world.
God made trees in his creation for us to enjoy. We should celebrate what God has given us in his creation, so Christmas trees are fine. Decorating Christmas trees is good because this celebrates what God has given us. Celebrating Christmas celebrates new life and God gave us new life in his son Jesus Christ. Gifts were given to Jesus so we also give gifts to each other.
For the angels singing part. While it specifically does not say singing, that is a perfectly fine translation of the term for praise in the passage. So maybe they were, maybe they weren't. I seriously doubt this needed to come up in the myths listed.
Numbers 24:17 (KJV) I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
I think people should stop using Isaiah 53:2 to justify the idea that Jesus was unattractive in some sense. If that were the case, it would have been mentioned in the gospel narratives. Isaiah 53:2 in context seems more to refer to Jesus in His beaten and wounded state as the Suffering Servant.
I appreciate your videos on Christmas, but you didn’t give any evidence to disassociate the pagan celebration of the ancient Roman sun god, Sol Invictus, on Dec. 25. Research Sol Invictus and the ancient festival “Natalis Invicti”, which is documented as being on December 25 in the Chronograph of 354, an ancient calendar (also known as Calendar of Filocalus). A more researched and honest response to all of this would be to show that there was indeed the pagan celebration of their sun god on December 25, and the Christians chose to squelch the pagan festivals with the Christian celebration of Christ being born. All that said, the Christmas tree and decorations, including the pentagram star on top, and the angel holding lights at the top (Lucifer is considered to be the light-bearer, a fallen angel), you have to admit there are quite a bit of coincidences that put the Christmas traditions in question of their original origins. I spent a lot of time researching ancient festivals in the pagan world (during my search for truth in leaving the Catholic Church), and there are many pagan traditions that involve decorating pine trees with apples, and lights in celebration of the winter solstice, the pagan significance of the Yule log, the pagan myth of the mistletoe, and the celebration of the coming of the sun, their sun god, on 12/25. To deny that many traditions we do in fun has pagan origins is actually untrue. Research into this more, please. I am a born-again Christian, who once was a devout Catholic, who used to go-to-town decorating my house with lights and Christmas decorations to the hilt. Now that I have researched the origins, and converted to Christianity, doing those things don’t bring me joy as they once did, because I realize my own motivations were all very secular and materialistic in essence, even though I tried to tie in Jesus’ birthday in vain. Yes, the lights and decorations are very pretty - but have you ever thought to yourself “Why do so many people love Christmas everywhere, when most of them are not Christian, in fact many are even agnostic or atheist?...They have the same Christmas trees and decorations as I do, and they do the same traditions as me and my family... yet they are not Christian.... so how am I set apart from those on the wide path when I’m celebrating in a way that they are, which is of the world, not of God? “. Didn’t God warn His people not to imitate the ways of the foreigners? He hated their pagan practices. And since we can historically connect many Christmas traditions with ancient pagan ones, shouldn’t we at least dialogue on this more, rather than putting concerned Christian questioners of it in the same camp as the zeitgeist followers? I thought that was an unfair and unrelated comparison. This is just my take after lots of prayer- The time and money I used to spend in Christmas decorating etc. does not carry the same meaning to me once I learned the history, and I would much rather delve into scripture, and do things that bring glory to God. I just think it’s something all Christians should learn about fairly, so they can discern for themselves what these traditions mean to them.
Many atheists, agnostics, and followers of false religions do NOT celebrate Christmas. They believe it to be a Christian holiday. And many more non Christians love Christmas but hate all of the actual Christian parts about it.
@@PianoDisneygal10 That may be true of some, but I used to live in a very nice, “hip” area in a big city (very liberal politically and socially) where NONE of my neighbors were practicing Christians- most were agnostic, and some were unapologetic atheists- and they ALL put up Christmas trees, decorated their homes with lights, had “Christmas parties”, etc. The traditions are quite secular.
@@PianoDisneygal10 Yes, but that’s why I did research on ancient pagan festivals so I could do more than just assume or guess. If you research ancient winter solstice traditions, Yule, saturnalia, etc you will see various traditions they did back then, that have been assimilated into modern traditions that we associate with Christmas. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do these things as Christians, but I do think we should set ourselves apart in ways we celebrate, else we are celebrating just like secular non-believers all over the world who put more time into decorating and shopping than in worship to our God and Messiah. I guess when I became a Christian (from Catholicism), I realized I may have felt like I was putting Christ first in Christmas, but in hindsight I spent SO much time on the secular traditions that have nothing to do with Christ. Now, I spend more time reading scripture and helping others, with nominal attention on the secular traditions. I’m not by any means perfected or more righteous than other believers, but the renewal of my mind in Christ discerns how to better spend my time and attention.
The idea that Christmas is ‘pagan’ actually comes from die-hard Protestant fundamentalists in the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries. In those centuries, many Protestants regarded holidays like Christmas and Easter as “Popery” and therefore sought to discredit them by linking them with ancient paganism. The idea that Christmas might be pagan was advanced as early as 1648 in the work Certain Queries Touching the Rise and Observation of Christmas, written by the Puritan Joseph Heming. Later fundamentalist writers took the idea and ran with it. One particularly influential writer was Alexander Hislop (1807-1865), a minister for the Free Church of Scotland who published a pamphlet in 1853 titled The Two Babylons. In this pamphlet, Hislop claimed that Roman Catholicism is really nothing more than re-branded Babylonian paganism and that all the holidays associated with Catholicism are actually ancient Babylonian religious festivals in honor of the heathen gods. Hislop was a zealot, vehemently anti-Catholic, and a crank whose ideas had almost no factual basis whatsoever, but his work became extremely influential among Protestant fundamentalists. It is from Hislop that the concept of Christmas as the “birthday of Tammuz” derives. [Some of the above comes from an article published 8.DEC.21 by D. Armstrong] The above said, there is no denying that some traditions and customs surrounding Christmas are derived from pre-Christian beliefs and practices; the tree (a Germanic tradition), the “plant” traditions - holly, ivy, mistletoe (from the Celts). Indeed, many of our present-day customs and traditions, from the days of the week to the candles you blow out on your birthday cake, have pre-Christian antecedents; but no one really seems to complain about those. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that very few people are even remotely aware of them. Quite frankly, whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not, the “pagan-ness” has been effectively ‘bread out’ of these Christmas traditions for well over 1,000 years now. They have, for all intents and purposes, become completely Christianized. Like other pre-Christian customs and traditions that have become part of our culture, it’s time for some to get over it. The conception that Christmas had pagan foundations started to be viral in the 17th century with the English Puritans and Scottish Presbyterians, who abhorred all Catholic things. They detested the feast days, specifically the Christmas feast with its joyous observances, celebrations and customs. Given that the Bible did not provide specific date of Jesus’ birth, the Puritans contended that it was a sinful device of the Roman Catholic Church that should be eliminated. Subsequently, Protestant preachers like the German Paul Ernst Jablonski attempted to establish unverifiable works that December 25 was actually a pagan Roman feast, and dissuaded that Christmas was yet another example of how the medieval Catholic Church ‘paganized’ and corrupted ‘pure’ early Christianity.😎😎
Jesus was conceived around Passover April 2, which would then have him born around December 25. Modern is really in Palestinian shepherd say this time is ideal for shepherding. So I will stick with December 25
@@davegink9222 I think I can safely say that most people that do Christmas don't actually care about Christ, but they love their Christmas tree tradition.
@@davegink9222 I imagine most true Christians are trying to honor Christ with their Christmas tree (whether or not it actually does). I think there are many proclaiming Christians that are not. It is probably close to an idol to most non Christians and some Christians.
He did make my life better. I have a promise from my faithful God that my sins are forgiven and forgotten. He rose from the dead. He is God. The one true living God who created me and gave me life not just this life but eternal life. Hallelujah and Amen
Please read this in its entirety before answering. A point (or two) to ponder: "...wise men from the east..." Matthew 2:1 "...for we saw His star in the east..." Matthew 2:2 If the magi were in the east and they saw a star in the east(ern sky). Would they not have stuck out heading WEST? This tripped me up for about 15 minutes a couple of years ago. The explanation I have been given is that the actual meaning of what the magi said when they described the star and its position in the sky was that they were describing THEIR location when they saw the star and not the position of the actual star i.e. "We saw this star while we were in the east." Is that reasonable?
Mike. Another excellent video! Thank you. Somewhere around minute 31 when you are talking about the inn keeper you ask the question "why would God put Jesus in a manger?" When you are talking about the manger it sounds like you think that a manger is a stable or a cave where they keep the animals? A manger is actually a feeding trough for the animals. It's where they put the food for the sheep. So, Why would God put His Son where you put the food for the sheep? might be a better question. (John 6:53-57) Makes you think, Yes?
+kevin wynn Good point. Clumsy wording on my part. I've actually seen some stone mangers in Israel. You would think I'd keep the distinction in mind. Of course, we disagree on the interpretation of John 6 but I do appreciate the analogy of Jesus as "food indeed".
Mike. I wish we could agree about John 6. Did you ever think about why us Catholics could get John 6 so wrong? What are your thoughts about 1 Cor. 11:26-29?
When Jacob was preparing to leave his father-in-law one of his complaints is that he, Jacob, had watched his father-in-law's sheep when frost was on the ground. Cold weather and snow don't bother sheep. In Britain, it isn't uncommon for sheep to be born in a simple, open-sided shelter with snow on the ground with the shepherd's there to help if needed. Winter is no bar to a December 25 birth of Christ.
Sure seems like a lot of people, ironically, focusing a whole lot on pagan gods. And doing so instead of looking at the scripture, which makes a very clear point on the matter of "things that were meant for pagan sacrifice that hold no meaning to a believer who knows the truth." “Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “Lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.” 1 Corinthians 8:1-8 And also: “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.” Romans 14:1-14
John the Baptist was born in September. It is estimated he was born September 25th. The Bible says that his cousin, Jesus is 3 months younger which would put his birth date around December 25th. I don't have the information on me right now because I am at work but this is based on the time Zechariah was in the temple & visited by the angel. You can research the tribe of Abijah (Zechariah's tribe) and when it was their duty to serve in the temple.
God created "Christmas" trees, so do what you want if you like the smell of the tree, and decoration of the tree...(just don't worship or attribute anything to the tree.) It has somehow become a customary celebration throughout time, and if you want to partake go for it just as long as you most importantly understand that Jesus Christ is Lord and to him you owe your allegiance/worship and not to anyone or anything else. Amen.
There's a Wikipedia article, it was kinda hard to find lol, but it goes into detail on why the December 25th was chosen, and the main reason is because they believe Jesus was conceived on the Spring Equinox. It's really an educated guess, but I believe the first mention of a December 25th date was wayy back in the second century. There's many other reasons it was chosen as well, it doesn't seem like it is 100%, but there's a strong case for December 25th
@@bethprather9241 I think you're referring to Saturnalia which is December 17-23, which is what many point to for the supposed roots of Christmas, but it's kinda a far-fetched claim. Btw, the article is called Date of birth of Jesus on Wikipedia if you want to look at it
@@redeemedstone How do you know that? Again, check the wiki article i mentioned, the running theory is that Jesus was conceived around the Spring Equinox, and i believe it's been suggested that when it says John the Baptist "jumped in excitement in the womb when Mary came" the priests were lighting candles for Yom Kippur, which is around October, that would've been impossible if Jesus was conceived during Hanukkah.
We Three Kings is one of my very favorite carols. The lyrics are the most beautiful exposition of who Jesus is. I don’t care that it subscribes to the tradition of three wisemen.
Christmas tree is a tradition associated with Odin bringing gifts to children on the night of solstice (december 24th in the old christian calendar, now december 21st).
Christmas is very important to Catholics because God gave us the gift. He gave us His Son which made us live again and become the children of God by giving us our salvation. From a slave and condemned creation to inheritors of heaven. From being destined to a limbo to the dazzling light of heavenly glory. For God be the glory. Joy to the World, the Lord is come, let earth receive her king. Let every heart prepare him room, for heaven and nature sing3x. Hallelujah. Merry Christmas.
Christmas is altogether worthless if you spend more time dressing a tree and buying more luxuries for each other and doing nothing for Jesus. So even if this isn't pagan, it's worthless if it's void of Jesus. And even so, the things you do for Jesus in one day should be a daily sacrifice not one day. It falls under worthless festivals and feasts in my opinion.
You do realise that Jesus was most probably born in September according to the evidence of the comet crossing the sky and not Dec 25th which no doubt, clear as day, is pagan. It just is.
He’s teaching you to follow Rome and lying about source material in this video. I’d say he is cursing you, not blessing anyone. Sometimes I’m suspicious of Mike’s teachings. Occasionally he tells his audience to follow Rome’s false teachings that he should know are unbiblical
When people mention the shepherds in the fields and say it couldn’t have been in December, I ask these questions: 1. Do sheep hibernate? No. 2. How large was the average flock in Israel? We know Job had 14,000. The answer to those questions tell you the shepherds were tending their flocks in fields in the dead of winter. We may not know the exact date, but we can’t use sheep as the gotcha proof that it wasn’t December.
Also these things happened in the Middle East. Winters there are quite cold, but it doesn’t snow or make travel and outdoor work difficult like in Europe and North America.
And as it happens, the place where Yeshua was born was in Bethlehem Ephratha, where the sheep for Temple sacrifices were raised. These lambs had to be flawless, and thus constantly supervised. When the time came to select the lambs for sacrifice, they were placed in mangers and swaddled to keep them protected on the trip to the Temple. How incredibly meaningful that Messiah was born as a flawless sacrificial lamb in that very area, placed in a manger, and swaddled as all the flawless sacrifices were. ❤
@@aericabison23 I live in Montana. Extremely brutal winters are more the norm than the exception, so the idea that sheep aren’t being tended because of the weather can only come from someone whose closest interaction with a sheep is a Nordstrom wool sweater or a lamb chop at a restaurant.😆
Accuweather lets you check Bethlehem's weather. It's actually quite similar to the southern United States this time of year, where I live. I have kept goats and sheep and can tell you it's not too cold for them. I've heard a historian say that the shepherds in the field that time of year worked for the temple, keeping special flocks used for sacrifice. I don't know his source, but wow! What if that's the case!
It’s definitely the case. 😊 And the flawless lambs chosen for sacrifice were placed in mangers and swaddled for their protection on the journey to the Temple, just as our Messiah was. The symbolism is incredibly important and beautiful.
A manger is a long open box or trough for horses or cattle to eat from. I think you maybe confused manger with stable...? Some great info there though.
Yes and this explains and solidifies that alot of Daniels prophecy visions he received about the plan of redemption that Jesus would bring and his first coming
The shepherds with their flocks out at night......The climate of Israel is the same as Phoenix, Arizona. It's been 60 degrees in Dec. in Phoenix, and having the sheep in the fields would be less costly than having them in the sheep fold. Also, the sheep used for temple sacrifices were always in the fields.
December, the first month of the winter, in Bethlehem, is still a cold month, with temperature in the range of an average low of 24.1°F (-4.4°C) and an average high of 41°F (5°C).
I don't condemn anyone for having a tree, but I don't condone it either. And not because of Jeremiah 10 but because if I just used the scriptures for shaping my faith and practice, I would have never come up with decorating a tree for Him from scripture. God was very detailed with how He wants to be worshipped in scripture and a deviation from this was and still is flat out evil. We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. His Word is truth and is where we find out how He wants to be worshipped. Cutting and decorating a tree is never suggested in how we celebrate Him. And there is more scripture to support NOT doing this. Last Christmas I learned about the pagan elements in our celebration and I was taking an honest look at my tree and realized that thing was more for me, and if I'm not willing to give it up for Him then who am I really seeking to celebrate at Christmas; my lust of the eyes because I want a pretty tree or my Savior who payed in His body and blood for every transgression of the law; which included worshipping God in pagan ways. Like Jesus took my sins seriously in the Garden of Gethsemane in thinking of what He would go thru, sweating drops of blood, I will take a serious look at my Christmas traditions and air on the side of caution and cut out what I'm not 100% certain is acceptable to Him! We will stand before Him and I'd rather Him say you were a little too serious about things then hear Him say you weren't serious enough. Selah
Sanctifiedby Truth AMEN, I went through the same journey and took a hard look at man’s traditions and came to the same conclusion. I will no longer offer gifts or bow down to worship an idol (tree). Thank you for sharing:)
Sanctified by truth, you hit it dead on the nail. My curiosity is geared more towards the 7 feasts of God as they point to his messiah in the way he desires to communicate and reveal himself to his people. Thank you for your faith in our lord Jesus.
Sanctifiedby Truth Agree, it boils down to “i want to worship God MY way” and that can go all the way back to Cain. But yeah, I read Deuteronomy 12 and we can pretty much see that God want His worship not to be mixed with other traditions, worships, idols, ect... This is the first year I’m not celebrating Christmas but like with everything about learning about God and His word I always leave some intentional room or space to be wrong with how I interpret things so that keeps me in check of not judging. But so far, I’m not convinced with the whole Christmas thing either. Cheers !
David Miles Yes well, so did the Templars, the Spanish over the Mayan people and so on. But it was mostly the Catholic Church “Christianising” the whole thing just to have more ground. But yeah, i did also think about that.
It looks like God has a say about the pagan days & practices!!!! Jer 10 3-4 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. 4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple. Do not worship God like the pagans worship their idols.” Deuteronomy 12:4
He literally talks about the context. Sure seems like you're, ironically, focusing a whole lot on pagan gods. And doing so instead of looking at the whole of scripture, which makes a very clear point on the matter of "things that were meant for pagan sacrifice that hold no meaning to a believer who knows the truth." “Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “Lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.” 1 Corinthians 8:1-8 And also: “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.” Romans 14:1-14
The place where Jesus was likely born is in the area of an inn where they kept the animals. The Inn had no place for people but the Inn had place for people's animals. It was like the parking lot of a hotel court yard or parking lot.
I celebrate JESUS birth on the 25 December the exact date of JESUS birth is not important the fact of birth is important. The fact that you are here more important than your specific birth date
I stopped going to church because all of my Christian churches celebrate Christmas. I feel alone in my area and no one gets me. But I'm a true Bible believer and I will not celebrate something that is false or man-made
@@cathy7382 why in the world would you feel sorry for somebody who follows the Bible? Do you know you're not supposed to celebrate his birth you're supposed to celebrate his death? You're like a robot like everyone else ,,celebrating things that aren't supposed to be celebrated! and I refuse to be like everyone else ,I follow the Bible.
Luke 2:13 tells us the angels were praising God. Under Thayer's dictionary under the word ainos (can't do the greek with this keyboard) is the definition: 1) to praise, extol, to sing praises in honour to God. Not a big deal, but I have rethought my position.
No date for Jesus neither. Most importantly Jesus did not say celebrate His birth and it’s a tradition of man a man made holiday. The churchs didn’t celebrate His birthday in the Bible. Just another deception of the enemy to divide the church with his lies. Romans 12:2
The angels celebrated His birth. They announced it to the shepherds so they could celebrate. Luke 2. Three wise men from the east traveled many miles, bearing gifts, so they could come and celebrate his birth. Matthew 2.
Rob Cottrell Within Judaism there was a tradition that prophets died on the same date on which they were conceived. Jesus was thought to have died on 14 Nisan according to the Jewish calendar. That's March 25, which is celebrated in various Christian liturgical calendars as the Feast of the Annunciation to this day - the feast of the conception of Jesus. March 25 was also thought to be the date of the Creation of the World. So if, according to this theological calculation, Jesus was conceived on March 25, when was he born? The obvious answer is nine months later: on December 25. And it's this date that we find recurring in the early Christian writings on the subject, many of which were long before the fourth century and any period in which Christianity was trying to absorb and adopt pagan festivals. Theophilus of Caesarea (115-181 AD) wrote that "we ought to celebrate the birth-day of our Lord" on December 25. Origen (153-217 AD) noted "there are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord's birth, but also the day .... the twenty-fifth day of Pachon". Hippolytus of Rome (170-240 AD) also gives the date as "eight days before the calends of January (December 25). Of course, there were a variety of dates proposed for the birth of Jesus in early Patristic writings, ranging from April 19 or May 20 (referred to and dismissed by Clement of Alexandria - 150-215 AD) to November 17 (Clement's own calculation) or March 28 (found in De Pascha Computus of 243 AD) or perhaps April 2 (Hippolytos - 170-235 AD). But it was December 25 that eventually predominated; at first in Rome and then elsewhere in the Empire. The same Calendar of Philocalus that mentions the games of the "unconquered one" on December 25 also mentions in another section that "VIII kal. Ian. natus Christus in Betleem Iudeae" ("the Christ was born in Bethlehem in Judea on the 25th of December"). This reference, in 354 AD, is the first one made to this as an annual date for the celebration of Jesus' birth. Not long afterwards the then Bishop of Rome declared this date the official one for the celebration of Jesus' birth in his diocese. So what is the origin of the date? Given that the calculation of December 25 from the conception/death date of March 25 predates any need to co-opt pagan festivals by about 200 years, it is most likely that this is the original reason this date was one of five that were considered and argued for by early Christians. It's possible that if there was a feast of the nativity of Sol Invictus on the same date, it's therefore plausible this affected the final selection of this date over the others; though it could also be pure co-incidence. And while the festivities clearly took on many of the customs and trappings of Saturnalia, that feast is not the reason for selecting this date, given it ended earlier on December 23. What is clear, however, is that there is absolutely no evidence linking December 25 to Mithras. Given that the claims about a "virgin birth" for that god are garbled nonsense and the stuff about shepherds and caves are total garbage, the fact that these things keep getting repeated uncritically by New Atheists is more evidence that people who are supposed to be "rationalists" simply don't check their facts when it comes to history. The idea that the date and other elements of Christmas are all derived from paganism is cute, but not sustainable historically. Neat little internet meme "gotchas" may be fun, but those of us who try to be rational and objective should be wary of them in the extreme. Critics of Christmas should do their homework.
"He had no beauty that we should desire Him," is not necessarily referring to His natural appearance. It's talking about the *crucifixion.* Jesus was beaten so badly that His face was *disfigured.* That's not a reference as to whether He could sing or not!!! 😟😟 Also, a manger is a *feed trough* not a "stable" or barn. Houses had a raised platform for the family, and the animals were housed on the lower level. Perhaps Joseph and Mary were just in the area where the animals were kept, not in a cave or separate outbuilding.
Idk why but I am always hearing people using Jeremiah.. They love it. I do think as a saved person we can claim the prosperous verse. Andy Stanly says," Go ahead and claim that promise, meant for the Jewish people that were thrown out of Isreal and in Babylon. He says, "claim it if you want to wait 70 years.." truth in scripture but not really because once we were saved by Jesus.. we can claim God's promises as Abraham's family too.
Well, I always try to go by this: Is origins and past use may have been 'a' , but if it's present use is 'b', then there is no 'a', only 'b'. The original use of the 'Christmas Tree' , vary's from being decorated because Osiris' body was encased in a tree which, because it had the body in it, never lost its green-ness. And there is also, the viking or Scandinavian tradition of lighting an evergreen or fir tree on fire. HOWEVER, those traditions were to praise and worship their false gods. But WE, don't worship anyone by having the tree, or at least, that's not the primary purpose. Like December 25th. Its supposed to be Osiris' birthday (who also happened to have a virgin birth), and many other pagan festivals, BUT, we're not celebrating THOSE festivals. Nor are we saying that Jesus was most definitely born in this day, rather, we just use this day to remember and celebrate His birth. Someone could be born on the 29th of February, but their birthday could be celebrated on the 28th of February or 1st of March, or ANY OTHER day on the calendar.
Osiris wasn't born on December 25th and he wasn't born of a virgin. His father was Geb the god of the earth and his mother was Nut goddess of the sky. You're probably referring to Horus, but he wasn't born on Dec 25th or of a virgin either. His father was Osiris and his mother was Isis.
@@Hearth123 None of these gods that people claim were born December 25th were born December 25th lol and if there is a document saying that it's a document that is 400 AD or later which is over a milenia to when these people would have "existed"
We know the timeframe between the birth of Christ and appearance of the Magi because Herod decreed the kill order for all male children two and under after meeting the Magi.
Pastor Mike, I have only been saved for 7 years but immediately, in the first 2 years, without any pastors telling me something was wrong on this, I was convicted to look into specifically the origins of Christmas, Easter and Halloween. My sister is a pagan witch and historically these holidays have nothing to do with Jesus. They are Babylonian (Pagan) celebrations. I don't doubt that you have done your share of research but I don't see how you could not have found historical evidence of the practices.....of coarse, now days, the internet isn't the most reliable source and that's what I use. 🤷🏼♀️ I greatly respect you Mike and your videos and recommend you often though I find that I do not necessarily aggree sometimes... Biblically thinking and looking to scripture: Did our Savior celebrate these holidays? Are these holidays historically celebrated by the followers of Jesus? Are they in the Bible? I know in the KJV, Easter was mentioned but that was mentioned that it was around the time Herod (or the Romans) was celebrating "Easter". Other translations say "Passover" which is still also accurate since Passover and Easter occur at the same time and the Jewish people would be celebrating that. Romans 14 is what I go by and don't look down on those people who do celebrate these holidays. With all of that said, I cannot see why any believer would want to celebrate these holidays and not celebrate God's Holy Appointed Days that Jesus Himself celebrated and fulfilled. Also, that the followers of Jesus celebrated and cherish. *DISCLAIMER: I grew up my whole life loving and enjoying these holidays. I never had any Christian influence until my late teens and even then, these holidays were still kept until Jesus saved me in my mid 20s.
Thank God for a level headed educated person such as Mike to explain this to us. If it wasn't for people like Mike, we would still be following all Jewish laws from the OT.
What are you going on about? We are supposed to be following the OT laws Jesus never did away with them. I agree with a lot that Mike says but If hes saying anything close to "we are no longer under old testament law" he is severely mistaken.
Christmas is PAGAN!!! God doesn't want us to worship Him the way the pagans worship their gods with their practices and traditions. Not only that, the early church did not celebrate christmas or the birth of Christ but were instructed by Christ to remember his death and resurrection.
Does anyone who uses a tree put an ornament of Jesus or the Cross on the top of their Christmas tree? If not, why not? That would honor Jesus more would it not? Do you really think that the star on the top originally represented the star of Bethlehem? Is it not just as, if not more likely, a practice originally connected to astrology and the pagan worship of the sun, moon, and stars for thousands of years? Or what about the angel on the top. Where did that come from? Certainly there’s no angel that would want to be worshipped by humans...other than the great enemy of the Church that is. And ever ask why we put the gifts under the tree? Is it a coincidence that you have to kneel down on your knees, face down, to reach? Picture it. I think it’s weird to say that the tree is “not pagan.” If you want to argue that it’s innocent - fine - but not pagan? By definition it is pagan. Saying it’s not pagan is like saying it’s not secular. It is. If people from any religious belief can do it then it’s pagan! At worst it’s satanic, at best it’s pagan or secular but perhaps with a Christian “twist” added to it. If we really wanted to be wholly devoted to Jesus at Christmas, and actually believe that HE should be at the CENTER of all of the festivities then we wouldn’t have a Christmas tree. We would have the nativity scene in our living room and put presents around that. THAT would be a good tradition to start!!!
The first lit Christmas tree was erected by Martin Luther during the Reformation. The star came later. This was a milennia after paganism had died out in Europe, and 1500 years after the time of Christ. No, the tree is not pagan. It is Christian, particularly protestant Christian. Some Catholics eventually adopted the Christmas tree, but only after frowning on the practice for a long time due to its Lutheran connotations. The tree has no connections to any ancient worship. If you were able to actually find some ancient culture that erected pine trees in their homes(good luck), even then, that wouldn't change anything about the Christmas tree being an entirely Christian novelty of the reformation. For instance, there was a certain German tribe that was alleged to worship an oak tree(or many oak trees?) but they wouldn't cut them down, nor were they associated with anything like a Christmas holiday, the season, etc.
There is no burden in stoping yourself from putting up a tree. It’s simple just don’t it. It’s temptation and the loving of the world that pulls them there.
The Maker made the tree. Do with it as you wish to honor Yahweh by being good. I'm not gonna waste time being afraid of everything and my shadow that is not Christ-centered because usually the Lord made the natural material in the first place! It has no power over you. It is not righteousness to be fearful and afraid of everything. Be good, as best as you can, for Your Father, and be a light and helpful to your neighbors.
There is only one way to read Jeremiah 10 and it's the way that should result in you wanting to go on a christmas tree burning spree. NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE!!! 2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but set apart men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by the Ruach Kodesh (holy spirit). Exodus 34:13 "But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their groves." Does it say anywhere here to make your house into a grove or does it say to cut down the Pagan groves?? Exodus 34:12-22 "Be careful of yourself, in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, to avoid the risk of it becoming a snare to you: but you shall destroy their altars, break their pillars and cut down their groves: because you shall worship no other mighty one, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El: in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and perform sacrifice to their mighty ones, and one of them calls you, and you eat of his sacrifice; and you take their daughters as wives for your sons, and their daughters prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and make your sons prostitute themselves for their mighty ones. You shall not make yourself any molten idols. You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days as I commanded you, in the month of the Aviv: because it was in the month of Aviv that you came out of Egypt." In this passage, Yahweh tells us to not mix with the heathens because they might seduce us into following after false gods. Instead, he commands us to destroy the altars, idols and groves (of trees and plants carved into phallic symbols that represent their false fertility gods) they have made to worship their false gods with because Yahweh will not have any false gods in his face and we are to worship him alone. If we don't destroy their altars, we run the risk of letting them seduce us into their heathen practices. Yahweh then says a big fat NO to molten idols (like a golden calf or a metal star on top of your Ra's penis trees). He then tells us what we are actually supposed to celebrate: the feast of unleavened bread which is one of his seven feasts/moedim (appointed times). TLDR: Yahweh said don't celebrate Pagan unholy days, but make sure you observe my feasts. What do most professing believers do? They celebrate the Pagan filth and trample all over Yahweh's feasts. Deuteronomy 12:30-32 "Take heed to yourself that you don't become snared by following them, after they are destroyed before you; and that you don't enquire after their mighty ones (false gods), saying: 'how did these nations serve their mighty ones? I will serve mine in the same way that they served theirs.' You shall not do this to Yahweh your Elohim, because every abomination to Yahweh, that he hates, they have done to their mighty ones; they even burned their sons and daughters in the fire to their mighty ones. Whatever I command you, make sure that you do it: you shall not add to it or take away from it." I took this passage from the King James Version and then put the old English thees and thous into a modern vernacular. I also replaced "gods" (lower case g) for mighty ones and "the LORD thy God" for Yahweh your Elohim. Nothing has been added or subtracted, I've just made it easier to understand to a modern reader.
I am looking forward to Christmas even more than ever now because I was saved just over a week ago and I will be focussed on the birth of Christ. People are way overthinking it all. If a pagan was born on the same day as you, does that mean your birthday can’t be celebrated? Of course not! The paganism is nothing to me. If the pagan reads a book, does that mean you can’t read the Bible because it too is a book?
You can work out Yeshua’s birthday when you check out John the Baptists Dad Zechariah’s roster at the Temple that King Solomon put in place. Zechariah is after the course of Abijah (YHWH is my father). It will blow your mind that Yeshua’s birth falls during God’s true feast. The feast of tabernacles when God tabernacled with Israel in a tent. Also the Xmas tree is an idol. People cut down a tree, put an Angel on top of the tree for what? To worship. What was Lucifer? An Angel of light.
@@donmcc6573 Lol. I am a wife and no my husband doesnt beat me. No we don't keep slaves. We are slaves in this beast system. Tell me does someone pay you for your time? If so, you're a slave too. But you're more protected under Torah than many company policies who just treat you like a number. Yeshua's sacrifice did away with need for animal sacrifice. But He never abolished Torah as He is the Living Torah. We keep Shabbat and God's feasts. Going back to beating a wife. Where in Torah does it say to beat your wife? Did Yeshua beat any woman while He was here? No. My husband follows His example.
So there was some symbolic meaning in the gifts of the Magi ???? For some reason, me and my hyper open mind, just imagine the magi showing up with a sippy cup, a teddy bear, and a pinky.
😍😍😍 Dec.25 -CHRISTMAS DAY - -in Luke 1:26-38 angel Gabriel announces the birth of CHrist .So John the Baptizer was 6 month older than Jesus Christ .John d Baptizer was born JUNE 24 in our Gregorian cal. count 6 month after ,its DEC. 24 ,in d Bible CHRIST was born during so 25 ...in Jewish time reckoning twilight is another DAY.
Modern myths come from movies like "the Nativity" where Joseph is portrayed as a typical Hollywood dad, franticly pounding on doors seeking help for Mary. How silly. First, the bible says the baby came "while they were there." Second, they probably met up with relatives. There would be lots of women to help Mary, and midwives. If she gave birth in a cave or stable it would be more private than the inn. A manger not only kept him out of the manure, but it was also symbolic. A feeding crib, raising the feed up off the ground - appropriate for the One who offers Himself up: "take and eat - this is My body."
The are three men. The first speaking from the heart the affirmative,, the second speaking from the heart the negative and the third speaking from the mind. Which one be fake for the truth of a person is not what is right or wrong but that that is that of a child's honesty for anything else is a coercive agenda.
The shepherds would have likely been out in the fields during the winter. That is the main time when predators come. I keep goats and it is not uncommon for them to give birth around Christmas, and my climate is colder than Bethlehem. So, the shepherds would need to be with their flocks during the winter. And the Bible talks about at least one shepherd out when it was cold. "The frost by night." Genesis 31:38-40 38 This twenty years have I been with thee; thy ewes and thy she goats have not cast their young, and the rams of thy flock have I not eaten. 39 That which was torn of beasts I brought not unto thee; I bare the loss of it; of my hand didst thou require it, whether stolen by day, or stolen by night. 40 Thus I was; in the day the drought consumed me, and the frost by night; and my sleep departed from mine eyes.
Also the climate of the region was mild so there's no winter that would stop any shepherding in the fields that people use as an excuse. There were Lambs being born all year round because they sacrificed Lambs all year round!
Highly unintelligent and unresearched statement. Please don’t spread lies, it’s unchristian. No, the shepherds came to town in the winters and barn raised their lambs at those times of the year. The story of Christ’s birth specifically tells us that by the location of the shepherds at that time that it was likely fall or early spring as they were near enough to town to come back and worship the baby Christ that same night. If it had been December 25 they would have already been in town. Don’t spread Rome’s lies, Rome is the Antichrist and Mike played their fiddle in this video. He should be ashamed but his mentor was Illuminati so it’s not that surprising that he takes these false opinions
17:20 but the angel said they would find him in a manger.... if he was 5 years old ish would he still be sleeping in a manger? So they didn’t find him in a manger? Please clarify.
@@kellywillard241 Correct Kelly it WAS the Shepherds who were told by the Angels that Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ would be found by them "laying in a manger."
Does not means where and how he born but all I know he came on earth and changed my life . We celebrate not the date but the birth of god in flesh . All non Christians trying to over come Christianity but they cannot until God will . Now very sad some Christians are too much about and some just criticizing because they influenced by non Christians….
Should Christmas be celebrated? Jesus’ birthdate is nowhere to be found. I’ve heard the rationale of ‘we’re doing it to honor Christ’s birth. But, in doing so, are you going beyond what is written? 1 Corinthians 4:6 “….. Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favoring one against the other.” What does the Bible say? Remember 2 Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight….. Christmas tree?? Jeremiah 10:1-5 says do not learn the way of the nations….for the customs of the people are a delusion……it is a tree of the forest that is cut down……they adorn it silver and gold….and fasten it with hammer and nails so it won’t fall over. What about the star of Bethlehem that is normally placed on top of the Christmas tree? This ‘miraculous’ star first led the astrologers to King Herod, who wanted to kill Jesus. After Herod, the star immediately led the astrologers straight to Jesus. After Jesus, they started back to Herod, but one of God’s angels told them to go a different way. Matthew 2:1-12 What about Santa? Are we telling false stories? 2 Timothy 4:4 1Timothy 4:7 2 Peter 1:16 1 Timothy 1:4 What about birthdays? Ecc 7:1 says that your day of death is better than your day of birth. Did you know that there are 2 places in the Bible where someone was celebrating a birthday? Phar’aoh celebrated his birthday. Was he a worshipper of God? Genesis 40:20 Herod celebrated his birthday. Was he a worshipper of God? Matthew 14:6 In both of these accounts, someone died, one of them being John the Baptist, Jesus’ own cousin. Please remember 2 Timothy 3:16.
Pharaoh and Herod had people executed whenever they pleased. The fact that they chose to do this on one of their birthdays does not mean it is wrong to observe a birthday.
@@francisogbonna_ his point was that the only times someone was celebrating his own brithday (like an egotisicial fool) in the bible that it was someone who was not considered to be Christian.....and on top of that both of those times a human was sacrificed....but keep on finding excuses you fool.
"Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." So why would you fasten an idol with nails? Okay but say we *assume* God was indeed talking about an idol in this chapter, how close do you get to the real thing before it's sin? Where do you draw the line? Can you work it into a shape of a fat man, and say "Oh this is just decoration not an idol, I just like how it looks!" In other words can you just change one detail of what God told you not to do, and say now it's fine? An idol is merely a representation of a false god used for worship. Whether that is what you are intending or not, God told us "Jeremiah 10:2 Learn not the way of the heathen". So if in Jerimiah 10 He almost exactly describes the act of putting up a Christmas tree and says it's what the heathens do, then we as Christian's should stay a good distance away from copying it. Don't hold on to the heathens traditions, it is too dangerous!
Oh and btw, in Jerimiah 10:8 where you said "A wooden idol", I don't know what translation you used, but "Wooden Idol" in KJV reads "Stock" and was translated from the hebrew word "עץ" which means Tree.
MichaelHeathman. THANK YOU,THANK YOU, THANK YOU. At long, long last I find someone on the internet who is very,very intelligent and really knows what he is talking about when it is ALRIGHT TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS. I echo EVERY single word you have written in your reply and absolutely love the points that you make. WELL DONE and WELL SAID Sir. Hope you have a VERY HAPPY CHRISTMAS Micheal.
Psalms 115: 2-7 it's got nothing to do with a Christmas tree at all not even a little bit they cut trees down an make it into the image of a MAN? It's a doctrine made up from religion that tries to try an acuse people of worshipping Christmas trees which is a lie.. don't go by what someone tells you read all scriptures to prove all things .. God bless may you enjoy time with your family this year..
@@abrahamrodriguez3197 You do you man, and I'll do me. I don't want to face the all-mighty on judgement day and be asked why I still participated even though I knew better.
What about Yule? That was a pagan tradition that used the trees and apples as ornaments and wreaths to dress the tree and we appear to have gotten our tradition from this. Just saying, this is actually historically known to be an adaptation of paganism into the Christian tradition that happened in Norway towards the end of the first millennium AD. The tradition itself predates this and appears to have been implanted into Germany from the same tradition spoken of in Jeremiah. Secondly the cult of Sol Invictus and the December 25 celebration were established prior to the end of the 3rd century in Rome. This is historical Mike, how are you missing this stuff in your research? People rely on you for good information, and unfortunately I think you came in with a preconceived opinion and tried to get that opinion back out on this one. The Christmas celebration on December 25 was first enacted following the death of Pope Mark(technically called Bishop of Rome in his own lifetime) in October 336 AD and prior to the ordination of Pope Julius I in 337 AD. Thus the first December 25 Christmas date was held on 12/25/336 and this is about 50 years after the first December 25 Sol Invictus. I like you Mike, but I think you fumbled this one, GOD Bless 🙏🏼
Theres alotnur leaving out and its not some made up goddess u mentioned and its semramus and tammus and from the story of nimrod where the december 25th worship comes from.
Oh Mike, I sooo resonate with your love for Jesus...thank you for your ministry and for your fueling our love for Christ
As you say, Jeremiah was not talking about Christmas trees. He was writing hundreds of years before Christmas became a celebration. He was pointing out the idolatry of the people of that day and, like Tertullian, was warning against the idolatry of those who put their hope in earthly gods and things. The Christmas tree was not recognised as a use of Christmas celebration until the time of the Reformation, in Germany, but even then Christians were not worshipping their trees. Evergreens are a near-universal symbol of hope and Christmas trees are merely a reminder of Christ and how darkness was defeated through him.
It shouldn’t matter if it’s not called a Christmas tree, if the passages sounds very similar to the tree. Then its wiser to stay away from it.
@@tan1591 The Christian author, Tertullian, wrote as early as A.D. 190-220 that Christians hang more “wreaths and laurels” than the pagans. He ends with (talking about Jesus) “You are a light of the world, and a tree ever green". The early Christians, many of whom knew Christ or their parents or grandparents did, were not afraid of evergreens as decor - it is nothing else - just decor, helping to remind us of Jesus' birth and the everlasting life he came to offer us.
Candy Clews Jesus wasn’t born on Christmas.
@@tan1591 Oh for goodness sake - have you lost all commonsense? It doesn't matter when exactly he was born. What matters is that we celebrate his birth.
Candy Clews you seem to get triggered by that question and resort to an illogical insult.
It isn’t common sense to lie and say “happy birthday” to Jesus in December 25.
While you have every second, day, year and month to celebrate his resurrection.
Can you show me in scriptures why we can use a pagan originated holiday to celebrate Jesus brith? Or to even celebrate his birth?
Instead
“and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.””
I Corinthians 11:24-25 NKJV
So thankful for you Pastor Mike, your love for Christ and His Word is evident and your preaching is a wonderful meal!
"I want you make my life better Jesus... You're like a dying man on the operating table asking for plastic surgery. You want a face lift but you need a heart transplant." - LOVE IT! Thanks for your videos!
“We don’t have a record of angels singing” That’s because it would be more than a thousand years until vinyl records were invented😂👍
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I can't sing nicely but I love to worship, I am so thankful it says make a joyful noise to the LORD.
I now have to put up a framed, paraphrased quote from Mike in my house: "Idols make awkward coasters." 😂😂😂
Hi Mike, Jesus was not born in a manger, which is a feeding trough, but he was placed in a manger after He was born!! People often mistake the structure or cave in which He born for being a manger !! Love your teachings!!🤗🌺🙏💖
This is true.
I don't think people think Jesus was born in a Manger...as if Mary was lying in the manger and Jesus was born that way. I just think it's poorly worded. I've never heard of people not knowing what a Manger is (English speakers that is)
Chances are he was born in a traditional troglodyte home. Animals were kept on ground level while the bedrooms were located upstairs. The bible lets us know he was born among animals: it's very likely it was because there were no room available, it just means he was in the lower part of a house (among animals).
I just found your channel on Russlon's thank you so much for preaching a true gospel and having the heart of a teacher to teach. I am learning sooo much!
There is a very big difference between a decoration and an idol. It is apparent that there are some who can't make that distinction when comes to something as mundane as a tree. Funny....They will paint and adorn their walls with all manner of "decorations" and that is ok. But a tree, that is somehow an abomination.... WHAT?
The meaning of a symbol comes only from the mind of those see it. A symbol has no intrinsic meaning of its own. Only that which we individually give it.
Why would one impart a meaning of their own to an object found in my house. An object that may have a completely different meaning to me. Then turn around and accuse me of thanking about the object in the same way as they do. What make them think that I think the same about the object as they do? How could I possibly be responsible for their thoughts?
What a Christmas tree may have meant to people one thousand years ago or even to you is irrelevant to what it means to me today. When I look a Christmas tree all I see is a decoration that reminds of all the sacrifices God has done for all of us. Like a beautiful sunset decorating the handy work of God's earth itself. The glory of the sunset reminds us of the one that made it.
Christmas is the only time of the year where the carved images of Jesus and Mary are allowed in the Protestant's household. Don't take my manger scene away!
Satan deceived Eve with "yea hath God said...?" He always come to cast doubt on God's commands and the consequences of breaking them. God said not to worship Him the way the pagans worship their god so I won't. Period.
We are to worship God in spirit and in truth. We don't just do whatever we want and hold it up to a Holy God. We worship God according to the truth revealed in His Word. And I don't care if there's no source for trees being pagan, I'll air on the side of caution and spend that time and money by doing something for someone in need to honor my savior's birth. Besides we are told to remember His death not His birth. thru communion we proclaim and remember His death, and abide with Him.
God called Abraham to leave his family, maybe it's not a good sign if we can't leave a family tradition for Him.
I don't condemn anyone for having a tree, but I don't condone it either. And not because of Jeremiah 10 but because if I just used the scriptures for shaping my faith and practice, I would have never come up with decorating a tree for Him from scripture.
God was very detailed with how He wants to be worshipped in scripture and a deviation from this was and still is flat out evil.
We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. His Word is truth and is where we find out how He wants to be worshipped. Cutting and decorating a tree is never suggested in how we celebrate Him. And there is more scripture to support NOT doing this.
Last Christmas I learned about the pagan elements in our celebration and I was taking an honest look at my tree and realized that thing was more for me, and if I'm not willing to give it up for Him then who am I really seeking to celebrate at Christmas; my lust of the eyes because I want a pretty tree or my Savior who payed in His body and blood for every transgression of the law; which included worshipping God in pagan ways.
Like Jesus took my sins seriously in the Garden of Gethsemane in thinking of what He would go thru, sweating drops of blood, I will take a serious look at my Christmas traditions and air on the side of caution and cut out what I'm not 100% certain is acceptable to Him! We will stand before Him and I'd rather Him say you were a little too serious about things then hear Him say you weren't serious enough. Selah
@Sanctifiedby Truth, ARE YOU AWARE MANY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT NOT ALL WORSHIP SATAN AND WORK IN CONCERT WITH SATAN FOR MONEY AND PROMITIONS. THE JUDGES, DA'S, COURTS, CORRECTION ARE ALL THE SAME. YOU HAVE TO PITY THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN ALSO BE YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS THAT SATAN DECIEVED. LIFE IS A TEST THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. THE WAY SATAN RULES THE WORLD IS BY PEOPLE FOLLOWING IT DIRECTLY WHERE THE DEVIL/FALLEN ANGELS TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND THEY CARRY OUT SATAN'S TASKS. LITTLE DO THEY REALIZE THAT SATAN IS TRYING TO TAKE AS MANY INTO HELL WITH HIM/HER. IF THESE WORKERS OF SATAN WERE TO ALL TURN AWAY FROM SATAN AT THIS VERY SECOND AROUND THE WORLD, SATAN'S KINGDOM WOULD COLLAPSE IN SECONDS AND WE WOULD HAVE A PARADISE HERE ON EARTH. AS LONG AS THESE PEOPLE TAKE ORDERS FROM THE SPIRITUAL WORLD THEY WILL CONTINUE TO HAND OVER GOD'S KINGDOM TO SATAN AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT SATAN NEVER TOLD THEM FOR DOING SO IS A FIERY GRAVE IN HELL.
What is the purpose of the tree in the first place?
And please don't just tell me "I don't know, people probably thought it looked pretty, it's just decoration."
Why the use of a tree to celebrate the "christian mass"?
Hi Mike! I see the date..... what does Christmas mean to me 4reals? I was thinking about this and how many people would get truly offended by my real answer when.....voila! You just said what I think! I enjoy all the glitter and twinkle of the commercial stuff and have fun with it! I truly enjoy getting together with people and giving gifts to those who mean a lot to me as a kind of thank you. Its all very superficial and has no religious meaning. I spend some time reading The Christmas Stories and the gift God gave us, but that's private and brief. Why? Because I have a DAILY relationship with God! All the traditions are fun, but there is no longer a spiritual need to focus on the "True Meaning of Christmas" in my life because of my daily walk with Him! There was no conscious decision to separate the two. It just sort of happened as my relationship became an all day thing! Once again, this year will be about friends and family and having fun. The only religious nod to Christmas will be one or two days of reading about Christ's birth, but I'm SOOOOOO grateful for being forgiven of my ALL of my sins and the things He's done in my life every day that a special day set aside is just redundant. I hope everybody reaches this point of their spiritual lives! God has changed me so much over the years that I can't help but be grateful every day! I should have turned out a LOT different than I am! God Bless!
THIS IS BRILLIANT.
I recommend you for your superb reply to this particular comments section.
Very well put and very well explained.
I myself keep the "True meaning" more than the "superficial"stuff but it is as you say something everyone should want to do in their own way,IF they want to celebrate Christmas.
Christmas is very,very,VERY personal to those who celebrate this Christian Festival.
If you are one of those who choose not to celebrate Christmas then please do not hinder those who want to.
You have your choice and we have ours.
Thank you very much indeed.
God says he hates pagan gods. Take the Pride down you think God is happy with bringing in a tree in the Church places??
Amen!!!
Well Said
@MikeWinger. I had an “aha” moment when you brought clarity to Jeremiah 10. At first pass, without a careful reading and in context, it can easily be misunderstood. That’s why we need good leaders like yourself to help us learn and grow in our understanding of Scripture! 👍🏼👍🏼 You’re so smart!
Do you mean false leaders like him to put a stumbling block before you like Balaam taught Balak to do unto the sons of Israel? There is only one way to read Jeremiah 10 and it's the way that should result in you wanting to go on a christmas tree burning spree. NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE!!!
2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but set apart men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by the Ruach Kodesh (holy spirit).
Exodus 34:13
"But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their groves."
Does it say anywhere here to make your house into a grove or does it say to cut down the Pagan groves??
Exodus 34:12-22
"Be careful of yourself, in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, to avoid the risk of it becoming a snare to you:
but you shall destroy their altars, break their pillars and cut down their groves: because you shall worship no other mighty one, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El:
in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and perform sacrifice to their mighty ones, and one of them calls you, and you eat of his sacrifice; and you take their daughters as wives for your sons, and their daughters prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and make your sons prostitute themselves for their mighty ones. You shall not make yourself any molten idols.
You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days as I commanded you, in the month of the Aviv: because it was in the month of Aviv that you came out of Egypt."
In this passage, Yahweh tells us to not mix with the heathens because they might seduce us into following after false gods. Instead, he commands us to destroy the altars, idols and groves (of trees and plants carved into phallic symbols that represent their false fertility gods) they have made to worship their false gods with because Yahweh will not have any false gods in his face and we are to worship him alone. If we don't destroy their altars, we run the risk of letting them seduce us into their heathen practices. Yahweh then says a big fat NO to molten idols (like a golden calf or a metal star on top of your Ra's penis trees). He then tells us what we are actually supposed to celebrate: the feast of unleavened bread which is one of his seven feasts/moedim (appointed times).
TLDR: Yahweh said don't celebrate Pagan unholy days, but make sure you observe my feasts. What do most professing believers do? They celebrate the Pagan filth and trample all over Yahweh's feasts.
Deuteronomy 12:30-32
"Take heed to yourself that you don't become snared by following them, after they are destroyed before you; and that you don't enquire after their mighty ones (false gods), saying: 'how did these nations serve their mighty ones? I will serve mine in the same way that they served theirs.'
You shall not do this to Yahweh your Elohim, because every abomination to Yahweh, that he hates, they have done to their mighty ones; they even burned their sons and daughters in the fire to their mighty ones.
Whatever I command you, make sure that you do it: you shall not add to it or take away from it."
I took this passage from the King James Version and then put the old English thees and thous into a modern vernacular. I also replaced "gods" (lower case g) for mighty ones and "the LORD thy God" for Yahweh your Elohim. Nothing has been added or subtracted, I've just made it easier to understand to a modern reader.
Joshua Hall:Why is Mike Winger a false teacher?
Oh!!Because he sees no wrong in celebrating the Christian festival of Christmas.
Have you not watched this video?
Every reason that people like you bring up to oppose those Christians who want to celebrate Christmas is well and truly DEBUNKED.
Mike Winger as you can hear (if you care to watch)as diligently done much research into how Christmas came about and he as found all the sort of tales you bring up are ALL MYTHS. All untrue.
The early Church fathers wanted to put some time aside to celebrate and give thanks to God for doing such a loving thing as to send his Only Begotten Son to be the ransom sacrifice for the sins of mankind.
They decided to have a a holiday (Holy-Days)and called it Christmas.
They also knew that they could use this time of celebration to convert the pagans to commit to Christianity.
They chose December 25th to do just that.
As for Christmas trees being pagan as Mike shows you (if you watch) they definitely are not.
Do you not know that the Holy Scriptures of God's words instructed the people of the time to decorate the Holy Temple with pine?
It seems that pine trees are one of Our Heavenly Father's favourite trees.
Of course Ido not agree with everything about the modern day Christmas.
Santa Clause is given far too much attention from children and in fact should have nothing what so ever to do with Christmas.
The over commercialism of the modern Christmas also doesn't sit well with me either.
Christmas is the time to give thanks to God for giving us the GREATEST gift in the history of the Universe.
The only time that a baby as been born spiritually on this planet is a joyous reason to sing your heart out and praise God with all of your might.
It all comes down to this.
If you want to celebrate Christmas then by all means do so.
The Holy Word of God tells us "If you want to make days special then do it to THE GLORY OF GOD."
Hannaka is a man made festival that isn't God given yet the Holy Word Of God tells us that Jesus Christ attended it.
If you don't want to celebrate Christmas then don't that is your priority.
However don't put down those who do want to join in the celebrations.
You have a choice.
Everyone as a choice.
It is completely up to you which one you choose.
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@@darrenplumpton8900 I like Mike a lot and listen to a lot of his teachings but I feel this one is wrong. I have a lot of issues with Christmas, you wouldn’t wear a pentagram so why would you partake in a festival that has clear roots in paganism.
Jer 10 i obviously speaking of xmas trees, this has been going on long before Jesus was ever born! That is how we know for a fact that xmas sis of the devil. People just love them some Satan.
I love seeing the layers of scripture peeled back to see the even deeper meanings.
There is only one way to read Jeremiah 10 and it's the way that should result in you wanting to go on a christmas tree burning spree. NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE!!!
2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but set apart men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by the Ruach Kodesh (holy spirit).
Exodus 34:13
"But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their groves."
Does it say anywhere here to make your house into a grove or does it say to cut down the Pagan groves??
Exodus 34:12-22
"Be careful of yourself, in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, to avoid the risk of it becoming a snare to you:
but you shall destroy their altars, break their pillars and cut down their groves: because you shall worship no other mighty one, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El:
in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and perform sacrifice to their mighty ones, and one of them calls you, and you eat of his sacrifice; and you take their daughters as wives for your sons, and their daughters prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and make your sons prostitute themselves for their mighty ones. You shall not make yourself any molten idols.
You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days as I commanded you, in the month of the Aviv: because it was in the month of Aviv that you came out of Egypt."
In this passage, Yahweh tells us to not mix with the heathens because they might seduce us into following after false gods. Instead, he commands us to destroy the altars, idols and groves (of trees and plants carved into phallic symbols that represent their false fertility gods) they have made to worship their false gods with because Yahweh will not have any false gods in his face and we are to worship him alone. If we don't destroy their altars, we run the risk of letting them seduce us into their heathen practices. Yahweh then says a big fat NO to molten idols (like a golden calf or a metal star on top of your Ra's penis trees). He then tells us what we are actually supposed to celebrate: the feast of unleavened bread which is one of his seven feasts/moedim (appointed times).
TLDR: Yahweh said don't celebrate Pagan unholy days, but make sure you observe my feasts. What do most professing believers do? They celebrate the Pagan filth and trample all over Yahweh's feasts.
Deuteronomy 12:30-32
"Take heed to yourself that you don't become snared by following them, after they are destroyed before you; and that you don't enquire after their mighty ones (false gods), saying: 'how did these nations serve their mighty ones? I will serve mine in the same way that they served theirs.'
You shall not do this to Yahweh your Elohim, because every abomination to Yahweh, that he hates, they have done to their mighty ones; they even burned their sons and daughters in the fire to their mighty ones.
Whatever I command you, make sure that you do it: you shall not add to it or take away from it."
I took this passage from the King James Version and then put the old English thees and thous into a modern vernacular. I also replaced "gods" (lower case g) for mighty ones and "the LORD thy God" for Yahweh your Elohim. Nothing has been added or subtracted, I've just made it easier to understand to a modern reader.
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I think you did not listen to the video. 🙁
Jeremiah 10 is obviously about cutting down a tree to carve an idol and overlay it with gold or silver and worship it.
Where are you getting your interpretation from?
One big mistake you are making in your quoting of scripture, is that you are taking commands specifically to Israel and trying to apply them to Gentile Christians today. The feast of unleavened bread was Israel's commemoration of the Passover.
Gentiles were not part of Israel or that particular event.
Obviously we are not to make idols of wood, gold, and silver, because we are to worship God only. 😁👍👍
That's God's moral law that applies to the whole world.
God made trees in his creation for us to enjoy. We should celebrate what God has given us in his creation, so Christmas trees are fine. Decorating Christmas trees is good because this celebrates what God has given us. Celebrating Christmas celebrates new life and God gave us new life in his son Jesus Christ. Gifts were given to Jesus so we also give gifts to each other.
Every time an occasion to go into depth. Great and awesome. Thank you and blessings.
For the angels singing part. While it specifically does not say singing, that is a perfectly fine translation of the term for praise in the passage. So maybe they were, maybe they weren't. I seriously doubt this needed to come up in the myths listed.
Numbers 24:17 (KJV)
I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
“If we heard Jesus would we complain?” This is brilliant! Human nature says yes!
I think people should stop using Isaiah 53:2 to justify the idea that Jesus was unattractive in some sense. If that were the case, it would have been mentioned in the gospel narratives. Isaiah 53:2 in context seems more to refer to Jesus in His beaten and wounded state as the Suffering Servant.
Amazing message of Christmas. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
The fact that this is even up for debate should cause concern for alarm
I appreciate your videos on Christmas, but you didn’t give any evidence to disassociate the pagan celebration of the ancient Roman sun god, Sol Invictus, on Dec. 25. Research Sol Invictus and the ancient festival “Natalis Invicti”, which is documented as being on December 25 in the Chronograph of 354, an ancient calendar (also known as Calendar of Filocalus). A more researched and honest response to all of this would be to show that there was indeed the pagan celebration of their sun god on December 25, and the Christians chose to squelch the pagan festivals with the Christian celebration of Christ being born. All that said, the Christmas tree and decorations, including the pentagram star on top, and the angel holding lights at the top (Lucifer is considered to be the light-bearer, a fallen angel), you have to admit there are quite a bit of coincidences that put the Christmas traditions in question of their original origins.
I spent a lot of time researching ancient festivals in the pagan world (during my search for truth in leaving the Catholic Church), and there are many pagan traditions that involve decorating pine trees with apples, and lights in celebration of the winter solstice, the pagan significance of the Yule log, the pagan myth of the mistletoe, and the celebration of the coming of the sun, their sun god, on 12/25. To deny that many traditions we do in fun has pagan origins is actually untrue. Research into this more, please.
I am a born-again Christian, who once was a devout Catholic, who used to go-to-town decorating my house with lights and Christmas decorations to the hilt. Now that I have researched the origins, and converted to Christianity, doing those things don’t bring me joy as they once did, because I realize my own motivations were all very secular and materialistic in essence, even though I tried to tie in Jesus’ birthday in vain. Yes, the lights and decorations are very pretty - but have you ever thought to yourself “Why do so many people love Christmas everywhere, when most of them are not Christian, in fact many are even agnostic or atheist?...They have the same Christmas trees and decorations as I do, and they do the same traditions as me and my family... yet they are not Christian.... so how am I set apart from those on the wide path when I’m celebrating in a way that they are, which is of the world, not of God? “. Didn’t God warn His people not to imitate the ways of the foreigners? He hated their pagan practices. And since we can historically connect many Christmas traditions with ancient pagan ones, shouldn’t we at least dialogue on this more, rather than putting concerned Christian questioners of it in the same camp as the zeitgeist followers? I thought that was an unfair and unrelated comparison.
This is just my take after lots of prayer- The time and money I used to spend in Christmas decorating etc. does not carry the same meaning to me once I learned the history, and I would much rather delve into scripture, and do things that bring glory to God. I just think it’s something all Christians should learn about fairly, so they can discern for themselves what these traditions mean to them.
AGREE!!!!!!!
Many atheists, agnostics, and followers of false religions do NOT celebrate Christmas. They believe it to be a Christian holiday.
And many more non Christians love Christmas but hate all of the actual Christian parts about it.
@@PianoDisneygal10 That may be true of some, but I used to live in a very nice, “hip” area in a big city (very liberal politically and socially) where NONE of my neighbors were practicing Christians- most were agnostic, and some were unapologetic atheists- and they ALL put up Christmas trees, decorated their homes with lights, had “Christmas parties”, etc. The traditions are quite secular.
@@savedbychrist504 Did it ever occur that those things may actually just be neutral in nature, not pagan, nor Christian?
@@PianoDisneygal10 Yes, but that’s why I did research on ancient pagan festivals so I could do more than just assume or guess. If you research ancient winter solstice traditions, Yule, saturnalia, etc you will see various traditions they did back then, that have been assimilated into modern traditions that we associate with Christmas. I’m not saying we shouldn’t do these things as Christians, but I do think we should set ourselves apart in ways we celebrate, else we are celebrating just like secular non-believers all over the world who put more time into decorating and shopping than in worship to our God and Messiah. I guess when I became a Christian (from Catholicism), I realized I may have felt like I was putting Christ first in Christmas, but in hindsight I spent SO much time on the secular traditions that have nothing to do with Christ. Now, I spend more time reading scripture and helping others, with nominal attention on the secular traditions. I’m not by any means perfected or more righteous than other believers, but the renewal of my mind in Christ discerns how to better spend my time and attention.
God bless your wonderful ministry
The idea that Christmas is ‘pagan’ actually comes from die-hard Protestant fundamentalists in the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries. In those centuries, many Protestants regarded holidays like Christmas and Easter as “Popery” and therefore sought to discredit them by linking them with ancient paganism.
The idea that Christmas might be pagan was advanced as early as 1648 in the work Certain Queries Touching the Rise and Observation of Christmas, written by the Puritan Joseph Heming.
Later fundamentalist writers took the idea and ran with it. One particularly influential writer was Alexander Hislop (1807-1865), a minister for the Free Church of Scotland who published a pamphlet in 1853 titled The Two Babylons. In this pamphlet, Hislop claimed that Roman Catholicism is really nothing more than re-branded Babylonian paganism and that all the holidays associated with Catholicism are actually ancient Babylonian religious festivals in honor of the heathen gods. Hislop was a zealot, vehemently anti-Catholic, and a crank whose ideas had almost no factual basis whatsoever, but his work became extremely influential among Protestant fundamentalists.
It is from Hislop that the concept of Christmas as the “birthday of Tammuz” derives. [Some of the above comes from an article published 8.DEC.21 by D. Armstrong] The above said, there is no denying that some traditions and customs surrounding Christmas are derived from pre-Christian beliefs and practices; the tree (a Germanic tradition), the “plant” traditions - holly, ivy, mistletoe (from the Celts). Indeed, many of our present-day customs and traditions, from the days of the week to the candles you blow out on your birthday cake, have pre-Christian antecedents; but no one really seems to complain about those.
In fact, I’d be willing to bet that very few people are even remotely aware of them. Quite frankly, whether one wishes to acknowledge it or not, the “pagan-ness” has been effectively ‘bread out’ of these Christmas traditions for well over 1,000 years now. They have, for all intents and purposes, become completely Christianized. Like other pre-Christian customs and traditions that have become part of our culture, it’s time for some to get over it.
The conception that Christmas had pagan foundations started to be viral in the 17th century with the English Puritans and Scottish Presbyterians, who abhorred all Catholic things.
They detested the feast days, specifically the Christmas feast with its joyous observances, celebrations and customs. Given that the Bible did not provide specific date of Jesus’ birth, the Puritans contended that it was a sinful device of the Roman Catholic Church that should be eliminated.
Subsequently, Protestant preachers like the German Paul Ernst Jablonski attempted to establish unverifiable works that December 25 was actually a pagan Roman feast, and dissuaded that Christmas was yet another example of how the medieval Catholic Church ‘paganized’ and corrupted ‘pure’ early Christianity.😎😎
Jesus was conceived around Passover April 2, which would then have him born around December 25. Modern is really in Palestinian shepherd say this time is ideal for shepherding. So I will stick with December 25
this feels like a college lecture. I love it
I think it can be pretty easy to bring in a Christmas tree and decorate it as a priority, to the point where it is an idol....
Most people care more about their tree than Jesus.
@@Jonathan-wx8yw So you know what’s in their hearts?
@@davegink9222 I think I can safely say that most people that do Christmas don't actually care about Christ, but they love their Christmas tree tradition.
@@Jonathan-wx8yw I’m talking about Christians, as I believed you were. The secular world does a vast majority of things that don’t honor God.
@@davegink9222 I imagine most true Christians are trying to honor Christ with their Christmas tree (whether or not it actually does). I think there are many proclaiming Christians that are not.
It is probably close to an idol to most non Christians and some Christians.
The idol "dave" sounds more like elf on the shelf or even Santa, than a tree 🤣
He did make my life better. I have a promise from my faithful God that my sins are forgiven and forgotten. He rose from the dead. He is God. The one true living God who created me and gave me life not just this life but eternal life. Hallelujah and Amen
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A point (or two) to ponder:
"...wise men from the east..." Matthew 2:1
"...for we saw His star in the east..." Matthew 2:2
If the magi were in the east and they saw a star in the east(ern sky). Would they not have stuck out heading WEST?
This tripped me up for about 15 minutes a couple of years ago. The explanation I have been given is that the actual meaning of what the magi said when they described the star and its position in the sky was that they were describing THEIR location when they saw the star and not the position of the actual star i.e. "We saw this star while we were in the east."
Is that reasonable?
Mike. Another excellent video! Thank you. Somewhere around minute 31 when you are talking about the inn keeper you ask the question "why would God put Jesus in a manger?" When you are talking about the manger it sounds like you think that a manger is a stable or a cave where they keep the animals? A manger is actually a feeding trough for the animals. It's where they put the food for the sheep. So, Why would God put His Son where you put the food for the sheep? might be a better question. (John 6:53-57) Makes you think, Yes?
+kevin wynn Good point. Clumsy wording on my part. I've actually seen some stone mangers in Israel. You would think I'd keep the distinction in mind. Of course, we disagree on the interpretation of John 6 but I do appreciate the analogy of Jesus as "food indeed".
Mike. I wish we could agree about John 6. Did you ever think about why us Catholics could get John 6 so wrong? What are your thoughts about 1 Cor. 11:26-29?
tim spangler what???
tim spangler not sure what you are quoting or how it's relevant to the conversation Mike and I were having. am i missing part of your reply?
Manger=Eucharist. Bethlehem means "House of Bread"= Eucharist. Jesus is the bread sent from heaven = Eucharist. New Testament = Eucharist. Hello!
When Jacob was preparing to leave his father-in-law one of his complaints is that he, Jacob, had watched his father-in-law's sheep when frost was on the ground. Cold weather and snow don't bother sheep. In Britain, it isn't uncommon for sheep to be born in a simple, open-sided shelter with snow on the ground with the shepherd's there to help if needed. Winter is no bar to a December 25 birth of Christ.
But also wouldn’t necessarily be cold in December in the Middle East right?
“History started 5 minutes ago!” 😂❤🙌🏿😂 Touché. Take that ahistorical crowd.
Sure seems like a lot of people, ironically, focusing a whole lot on pagan gods. And doing so instead of looking at the scripture, which makes a very clear point on the matter of "things that were meant for pagan sacrifice that hold no meaning to a believer who knows the truth."
“Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “Lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”
1 Corinthians 8:1-8
And also:
“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.”
Romans 14:1-14
John the Baptist was born in September. It is estimated he was born September 25th. The Bible says that his cousin, Jesus is 3 months younger which would put his birth date around December 25th. I don't have the information on me right now because I am at work but this is based on the time Zechariah was in the temple & visited by the angel. You can research the tribe of Abijah (Zechariah's tribe) and when it was their duty to serve in the temple.
God created "Christmas" trees, so do what you want if you like the smell of the tree, and decoration of the tree...(just don't worship or attribute anything to the tree.) It has somehow become a customary celebration throughout time, and if you want to partake go for it just as long as you most importantly understand that Jesus Christ is Lord and to him you owe your allegiance/worship and not to anyone or anything else. Amen.
Ha, I can just picture it. Judas leans over to Peter and say, "Oh no.. He's going to sing again. Isn't he?..."
There's a Wikipedia article, it was kinda hard to find lol, but it goes into detail on why the December 25th was chosen, and the main reason is because they believe Jesus was conceived on the Spring Equinox. It's really an educated guess, but I believe the first mention of a December 25th date was wayy back in the second century. There's many other reasons it was chosen as well, it doesn't seem like it is 100%, but there's a strong case for December 25th
Winter solice.. I've read too. They did celebrate other mystic gods bday at that time
@@bethprather9241 I think you're referring to Saturnalia which is December 17-23, which is what many point to for the supposed roots of Christmas, but it's kinda a far-fetched claim. Btw, the article is called Date of birth of Jesus on Wikipedia if you want to look at it
@@haachamachama7 I can..
Yeshua was conceived during Hanukkah which is on right now.
@@redeemedstone How do you know that? Again, check the wiki article i mentioned, the running theory is that Jesus was conceived around the Spring Equinox, and i believe it's been suggested that when it says John the Baptist "jumped in excitement in the womb when Mary came" the priests were lighting candles for Yom Kippur, which is around October, that would've been impossible if Jesus was conceived during Hanukkah.
We Three Kings is one of my very favorite carols. The lyrics are the most beautiful exposition of who Jesus is.
I don’t care that it subscribes to the tradition of three wisemen.
That's why I love Hark, the Herald Angels Sing. It gives the gospel through the lyrics, and I don't care that the angels didn't really sing! 😄❤️
You could easily change the words to “We Wise Men of Orient Are”
Excellent thank you for sharing…
learning and growing
Mike you're awesome!
Happy New Year!
Clearly Balaam's Donkey proves that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer is Scriptural.
:D
Christmas tree is a tradition associated with Odin bringing gifts to children on the night of solstice (december 24th in the old christian calendar, now december 21st).
Christmas is very important to Catholics because God gave us the gift. He gave us His Son which made us live again and become the children of God by giving us our salvation. From a slave and condemned creation to inheritors of heaven. From being destined to a limbo to the dazzling light of heavenly glory. For God be the glory. Joy to the World, the Lord is come, let earth receive her king. Let every heart prepare him room, for heaven and nature sing3x. Hallelujah. Merry Christmas.
Christmas is altogether worthless if you spend more time dressing a tree and buying more luxuries for each other and doing nothing for Jesus. So even if this isn't pagan, it's worthless if it's void of Jesus. And even so, the things you do for Jesus in one day should be a daily sacrifice not one day. It falls under worthless festivals and feasts in my opinion.
This video was done in 2016. In 2023 we have more info on the shepherds and why they were ‘keeping their sheep by night’ during these winter months.
Awesome job and dang I never looked at the manger and the animals and how Jesus represented what they was for wow. So good
My old pastor used to say, when Satan fell, he fell into the worship team office.
Only of they don't kick him out
Our calendars are dated by his birth/life, by the year if not by the day.
You do realise that Jesus was most probably born in September according to the evidence of the comet crossing the sky and not Dec 25th which no doubt, clear as day, is pagan. It just is.
Your teaching is blessing me ! Thank you so much!
He’s teaching you to follow Rome and lying about source material in this video. I’d say he is cursing you, not blessing anyone. Sometimes I’m suspicious of Mike’s teachings. Occasionally he tells his audience to follow Rome’s false teachings that he should know are unbiblical
Great teaching, thank you Mike!
When people mention the shepherds in the fields and say it couldn’t have been in December, I ask these questions: 1. Do sheep hibernate? No. 2. How large was the average flock in Israel? We know Job had 14,000. The answer to those questions tell you the shepherds were tending their flocks in fields in the dead of winter. We may not know the exact date, but we can’t use sheep as the gotcha proof that it wasn’t December.
Also these things happened in the Middle East. Winters there are quite cold, but it doesn’t snow or make travel and outdoor work difficult like in Europe and North America.
And as it happens, the place where Yeshua was born was in Bethlehem Ephratha, where the sheep for Temple sacrifices were raised. These lambs had to be flawless, and thus constantly supervised.
When the time came to select the lambs for sacrifice, they were placed in mangers and swaddled to keep them protected on the trip to the Temple. How incredibly meaningful that Messiah was born as a flawless sacrificial lamb in that very area, placed in a manger, and swaddled as all the flawless sacrifices were. ❤
@@aericabison23 I live in Montana. Extremely brutal winters are more the norm than the exception, so the idea that sheep aren’t being tended because of the weather can only come from someone whose closest interaction with a sheep is a Nordstrom wool sweater or a lamb chop at a restaurant.😆
@ makes total sense ✅
Accuweather lets you check Bethlehem's weather. It's actually quite similar to the southern United States this time of year, where I live. I have kept goats and sheep and can tell you it's not too cold for them.
I've heard a historian say that the shepherds in the field that time of year worked for the temple, keeping special flocks used for sacrifice. I don't know his source, but wow! What if that's the case!
It’s definitely the case. 😊
And the flawless lambs chosen for sacrifice were placed in mangers and swaddled for their protection on the journey to the Temple, just as our Messiah was. The symbolism is incredibly important and beautiful.
A manger is a long open box or trough for horses or cattle to eat from. I think you maybe confused manger with stable...?
Some great info there though.
He was born in a stable (which was most likely a cave) and laid in a manger which was a feeding trough. I love your videos so much!
Israel’s winter temps average around 50 & snow only occurs once or twice a year so the shepherd’s could be in the field. Winter is rainy for them.
Yes and this explains and solidifies that alot of Daniels prophecy visions he received about the plan of redemption that Jesus would bring and his first coming
The shepherds with their flocks out at night......The climate of Israel is the same as Phoenix, Arizona. It's been 60 degrees in Dec. in Phoenix, and having the sheep in the fields would be less costly than having them in the sheep fold. Also, the sheep used for temple sacrifices were always in the fields.
December, the first month of the winter, in Bethlehem, is still a cold month, with temperature in the range of an average low of 24.1°F (-4.4°C) and an average high of 41°F (5°C).
I don't condemn anyone for having a tree, but I don't condone it either. And not because of Jeremiah 10 but because if I just used the scriptures for shaping my faith and practice, I would have never come up with decorating a tree for Him from scripture.
God was very detailed with how He wants to be worshipped in scripture and a deviation from this was and still is flat out evil.
We are to worship Him in spirit and in truth. His Word is truth and is where we find out how He wants to be worshipped. Cutting and decorating a tree is never suggested in how we celebrate Him. And there is more scripture to support NOT doing this.
Last Christmas I learned about the pagan elements in our celebration and I was taking an honest look at my tree and realized that thing was more for me, and if I'm not willing to give it up for Him then who am I really seeking to celebrate at Christmas; my lust of the eyes because I want a pretty tree or my Savior who payed in His body and blood for every transgression of the law; which included worshipping God in pagan ways.
Like Jesus took my sins seriously in the Garden of Gethsemane in thinking of what He would go thru, sweating drops of blood, I will take a serious look at my Christmas traditions and air on the side of caution and cut out what I'm not 100% certain is acceptable to Him! We will stand before Him and I'd rather Him say you were a little too serious about things then hear Him say you weren't serious enough. Selah
Sanctifiedby Truth AMEN, I went through the same journey and took a hard look at man’s traditions and came to the same conclusion. I will no longer offer gifts or bow down to worship an idol (tree). Thank you for sharing:)
Sanctified by truth, you hit it dead on the nail. My curiosity is geared more towards the 7 feasts of God as they point to his messiah in the way he desires to communicate and reveal himself to his people. Thank you for your faith in our lord Jesus.
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Sanctifiedby Truth Agree, it boils down to “i want to worship God MY way” and that can go all the way back to Cain.
But yeah, I read Deuteronomy 12 and we can pretty much see that God want His worship not to be mixed with other traditions, worships, idols, ect...
This is the first year I’m not celebrating Christmas but like with everything about learning about God and His word I always leave some intentional room or space to be wrong with how I interpret things so that keeps me in check of not judging.
But so far, I’m not convinced with the whole Christmas thing either.
Cheers !
David Miles Yes well, so did the Templars, the Spanish over the Mayan people and so on.
But it was mostly the Catholic Church “Christianising” the whole thing just to have more ground.
But yeah, i did also think about that.
It looks like God has a say about the pagan days & practices!!!!
Jer 10 3-4 For the customs of the peoples are futile;
For one cuts a tree from the forest,
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
4 They decorate it with silver and gold;
They fasten it with nails and hammers
So that it will not topple.
Do not worship God like the pagans worship their idols.” Deuteronomy 12:4
Jeremiah 10 is about idols. Why are you applying a passage about idols to a Christmas tree. Do we worship Christmas trees?
He literally talks about the context.
Sure seems like you're, ironically, focusing a whole lot on pagan gods. And doing so instead of looking at the whole of scripture, which makes a very clear point on the matter of "things that were meant for pagan sacrifice that hold no meaning to a believer who knows the truth."
“Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, he is known by God. Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “Lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.”
1 Corinthians 8:1-8
And also:
“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.”
Romans 14:1-14
Anyone who I have known or have come across and twist these verses in Jeremiah Ch10 to make it about Christmas were ALWAYS KJV only klan
The place where Jesus was likely born is in the area of an inn where they kept the animals. The Inn had no place for people but the Inn had place for people's animals. It was like the parking lot of a hotel court yard or parking lot.
I celebrate JESUS birth on the 25 December the exact date of JESUS birth is not important the fact of birth is important. The fact that you are here more important than your specific birth date
I stopped going to church because all of my Christian churches celebrate Christmas. I feel alone in my area and no one gets me. But I'm a true Bible believer and I will not celebrate something that is false or man-made
I feel sorry for you Christmas is always a
special time of year for me, it's a time
for giving, and to celebrate Jesus
birth
@@cathy7382 why in the world would you feel sorry for somebody who follows the Bible? Do you know you're not supposed to celebrate his birth you're supposed to celebrate his death? You're like a robot like everyone else ,,celebrating things that aren't supposed to be celebrated! and I refuse to be like everyone else ,I follow the Bible.
Where does the Bible say not to celebrate His birth?
Luke 2:13 tells us the angels were praising God. Under Thayer's dictionary under the word ainos (can't do the greek with this keyboard) is the definition: 1) to praise, extol, to sing praises in honour to God. Not a big deal, but I have rethought my position.
No date for Jesus neither. Most importantly Jesus did not say celebrate His birth and it’s a tradition of man a man made holiday. The churchs didn’t celebrate His birthday in the Bible. Just another deception of the enemy to divide the church with his lies.
Romans 12:2
The angels celebrated His birth. They announced it to the shepherds so they could celebrate. Luke 2. Three wise men from the east traveled many miles, bearing gifts, so they could come and celebrate his birth. Matthew 2.
Rob Cottrell
Within Judaism there was a tradition that prophets died on the same date on which they were conceived. Jesus was thought to have died on 14 Nisan according to the Jewish calendar. That's March 25, which is celebrated in various Christian liturgical calendars as the Feast of the Annunciation to this day - the feast of the conception of Jesus. March 25 was also thought to be the date of the Creation of the World. So if, according to this theological calculation, Jesus was conceived on March 25, when was he born? The obvious answer is nine months later: on December 25.
And it's this date that we find recurring in the early Christian writings on the subject, many of which were long before the fourth century and any period in which Christianity was trying to absorb and adopt pagan festivals. Theophilus of Caesarea (115-181 AD) wrote that "we ought to celebrate the birth-day of our Lord" on December 25. Origen (153-217 AD) noted "there are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord's birth, but also the day .... the twenty-fifth day of Pachon". Hippolytus of Rome (170-240 AD) also gives the date as "eight days before the calends of January (December 25).
Of course, there were a variety of dates proposed for the birth of Jesus in early Patristic writings, ranging from April 19 or May 20 (referred to and dismissed by Clement of Alexandria - 150-215 AD) to November 17 (Clement's own calculation) or March 28 (found in De Pascha Computus of 243 AD) or perhaps April 2 (Hippolytos - 170-235 AD). But it was December 25 that eventually predominated; at first in Rome and then elsewhere in the Empire.
The same Calendar of Philocalus that mentions the games of the "unconquered one" on December 25 also mentions in another section that "VIII kal. Ian. natus Christus in Betleem Iudeae" ("the Christ was born in Bethlehem in Judea on the 25th of December"). This reference, in 354 AD, is the first one made to this as an annual date for the celebration of Jesus' birth. Not long afterwards the then Bishop of Rome declared this date the official one for the celebration of Jesus' birth in his diocese.
So what is the origin of the date? Given that the calculation of December 25 from the conception/death date of March 25 predates any need to co-opt pagan festivals by about 200 years, it is most likely that this is the original reason this date was one of five that were considered and argued for by early Christians. It's possible that if there was a feast of the nativity of Sol Invictus on the same date, it's therefore plausible this affected the final selection of this date over the others; though it could also be pure co-incidence. And while the festivities clearly took on many of the customs and trappings of Saturnalia, that feast is not the reason for selecting this date, given it ended earlier on December 23.
What is clear, however, is that there is absolutely no evidence linking December 25 to Mithras. Given that the claims about a "virgin birth" for that god are garbled nonsense and the stuff about shepherds and caves are total garbage, the fact that these things keep getting repeated uncritically by New Atheists is more evidence that people who are supposed to be "rationalists" simply don't check their facts when it comes to history. The idea that the date and other elements of Christmas are all derived from paganism is cute, but not sustainable historically. Neat little internet meme "gotchas" may be fun, but those of us who try to be rational and objective should be wary of them in the extreme.
Critics of Christmas should do their homework.
I have to know if the closing music is Mike singing 🤔
"He had no beauty that we should desire Him," is not necessarily referring to His natural appearance. It's talking about the *crucifixion.* Jesus was beaten so badly that His face was *disfigured.*
That's not a reference as to whether He could sing or not!!! 😟😟
Also, a manger is a *feed trough* not a "stable" or barn.
Houses had a raised platform for the family, and the animals were housed on the lower level. Perhaps Joseph and Mary were just in the area where the animals were kept, not in a cave or separate outbuilding.
Idk why but I am always hearing people using Jeremiah.. They love it. I do think as a saved person we can claim the prosperous verse. Andy Stanly says," Go ahead and claim that promise, meant for the Jewish people that were thrown out of Isreal and in Babylon. He says, "claim it if you want to wait 70 years.." truth in scripture but not really because once we were saved by Jesus.. we can claim God's promises as Abraham's family too.
Well, I always try to go by this: Is origins and past use may have been 'a' , but if it's present use is 'b', then there is no 'a', only 'b'.
The original use of the 'Christmas Tree' , vary's from being decorated because Osiris' body was encased in a tree which, because it had the body in it, never lost its green-ness. And there is also, the viking or Scandinavian tradition of lighting an evergreen or fir tree on fire.
HOWEVER, those traditions were to praise and worship their false gods. But WE, don't worship anyone by having the tree, or at least, that's not the primary purpose.
Like December 25th. Its supposed to be Osiris' birthday (who also happened to have a virgin birth), and many other pagan festivals, BUT, we're not celebrating THOSE festivals. Nor are we saying that Jesus was most definitely born in this day, rather, we just use this day to remember and celebrate His birth.
Someone could be born on the 29th of February, but their birthday could be celebrated on the 28th of February or 1st of March, or ANY OTHER day on the calendar.
Osiris wasn't born on December 25th and he wasn't born of a virgin. His father was Geb the god of the earth and his mother was Nut goddess of the sky. You're probably referring to Horus, but he wasn't born on Dec 25th or of a virgin either. His father was Osiris and his mother was Isis.
@@Hearth123 None of these gods that people claim were born December 25th were born December 25th lol and if there is a document saying that it's a document that is 400 AD or later which is over a milenia to when these people would have "existed"
We know the timeframe between the birth of Christ and appearance of the Magi because Herod decreed the kill order for all male children two and under after meeting the Magi.
Pastor Mike, I have only been saved for 7 years but immediately, in the first 2 years, without any pastors telling me something was wrong on this, I was convicted to look into specifically the origins of Christmas, Easter and Halloween. My sister is a pagan witch and historically these holidays have nothing to do with Jesus. They are Babylonian (Pagan) celebrations. I don't doubt that you have done your share of research but I don't see how you could not have found historical evidence of the practices.....of coarse, now days, the internet isn't the most reliable source and that's what I use. 🤷🏼♀️
I greatly respect you Mike and your videos and recommend you often though I find that I do not necessarily aggree sometimes...
Biblically thinking and looking to scripture: Did our Savior celebrate these holidays? Are these holidays historically celebrated by the followers of Jesus? Are they in the Bible?
I know in the KJV, Easter was mentioned but that was mentioned that it was around the time Herod (or the Romans) was celebrating "Easter". Other translations say "Passover" which is still also accurate since Passover and Easter occur at the same time and the Jewish people would be celebrating that.
Romans 14 is what I go by and don't look down on those people who do celebrate these holidays.
With all of that said, I cannot see why any believer would want to celebrate these holidays and not celebrate God's Holy Appointed Days that Jesus Himself celebrated and fulfilled. Also, that the followers of Jesus celebrated and cherish.
*DISCLAIMER: I grew up my whole life loving and enjoying these holidays. I never had any Christian influence until my late teens and even then, these holidays were still kept until Jesus saved me in my mid 20s.
So many people get worked up over a large houseplant this time of year.
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Thank God for a level headed educated person such as Mike to explain this to us. If it wasn't for people like Mike, we would still be following all Jewish laws from the OT.
What are you going on about? We are supposed to be following the OT laws Jesus never did away with them. I agree with a lot that Mike says but If hes saying anything close to "we are no longer under old testament law" he is severely mistaken.
@@goldenbadger4570 You keep all the old testament laws? Dietary and ceremonial? Do you still sacrifice bulls??
@@goldenbadger4570 Is a woman ceremonial unclean during her period? Have you even read ALL the LAWS in Leviticus?? You keep them ALL HUH???
@@goldenbadger4570 Do you cut the hair at the sides of your head? Or clip off the edges of your beard?
@@goldenbadger4570 Also don't eat any fat from Cattle Sheep Or goats, If you Do, you are to be cut off from you people!!
Christmas is PAGAN!!! God doesn't want us to worship Him the way the pagans worship their gods with their practices and traditions. Not only that, the early church did not celebrate christmas or the birth of Christ but were instructed by Christ to remember his death and resurrection.
Christmas is Christian.
I would urge you all to SEEK JESUS DIRECTLY and not any pastor about these holidays and what HE thinks about them.
Does anyone who uses a tree put an ornament of Jesus or the Cross on the top of their Christmas tree? If not, why not? That would honor Jesus more would it not?
Do you really think that the star on the top originally represented the star of Bethlehem? Is it not just as, if not more likely, a practice originally connected to astrology and the pagan worship of the sun, moon, and stars for thousands of years? Or what about the angel on the top. Where did that come from? Certainly there’s no angel that would want to be worshipped by humans...other than the great enemy of the Church that is. And ever ask why we put the gifts under the tree? Is it a coincidence that you have to kneel down on your knees, face down, to reach? Picture it.
I think it’s weird to say that the tree is “not pagan.” If you want to argue that it’s innocent - fine - but not pagan? By definition it is pagan. Saying it’s not pagan is like saying it’s not secular. It is. If people from any religious belief can do it then it’s pagan! At worst it’s satanic, at best it’s pagan or secular but perhaps with a Christian “twist” added to it.
If we really wanted to be wholly devoted to Jesus at Christmas, and actually believe that HE should be at the CENTER of all of the festivities then we wouldn’t have a Christmas tree. We would have the nativity scene in our living room and put presents around that. THAT would be a good tradition to start!!!
The first lit Christmas tree was erected by Martin Luther during the Reformation. The star came later. This was a milennia after paganism had died out in Europe, and 1500 years after the time of Christ. No, the tree is not pagan. It is Christian, particularly protestant Christian. Some Catholics eventually adopted the Christmas tree, but only after frowning on the practice for a long time due to its Lutheran connotations.
The tree has no connections to any ancient worship. If you were able to actually find some ancient culture that erected pine trees in their homes(good luck), even then, that wouldn't change anything about the Christmas tree being an entirely Christian novelty of the reformation.
For instance, there was a certain German tribe that was alleged to worship an oak tree(or many oak trees?) but they wouldn't cut them down, nor were they associated with anything like a Christmas holiday, the season, etc.
There is no burden in stoping yourself from putting up a tree. It’s simple just don’t it. It’s temptation and the loving of the world that pulls them there.
The Maker made the tree. Do with it as you wish to honor Yahweh by being good. I'm not gonna waste time being afraid of everything and my shadow that is not Christ-centered because usually the Lord made the natural material in the first place! It has no power over you. It is not righteousness to be fearful and afraid of everything. Be good, as best as you can, for Your Father, and be a light and helpful to your neighbors.
There is only one way to read Jeremiah 10 and it's the way that should result in you wanting to go on a christmas tree burning spree. NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE!!!
2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but set apart men of Yahweh spoke as they were moved by the Ruach Kodesh (holy spirit).
Exodus 34:13
"But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their groves."
Does it say anywhere here to make your house into a grove or does it say to cut down the Pagan groves??
Exodus 34:12-22
"Be careful of yourself, in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, to avoid the risk of it becoming a snare to you:
but you shall destroy their altars, break their pillars and cut down their groves: because you shall worship no other mighty one, for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El:
in case you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and perform sacrifice to their mighty ones, and one of them calls you, and you eat of his sacrifice; and you take their daughters as wives for your sons, and their daughters prostitute themselves for their mighty ones, and make your sons prostitute themselves for their mighty ones. You shall not make yourself any molten idols.
You shall keep the feast of unleavened bread. You shall eat unleavened bread for seven days as I commanded you, in the month of the Aviv: because it was in the month of Aviv that you came out of Egypt."
In this passage, Yahweh tells us to not mix with the heathens because they might seduce us into following after false gods. Instead, he commands us to destroy the altars, idols and groves (of trees and plants carved into phallic symbols that represent their false fertility gods) they have made to worship their false gods with because Yahweh will not have any false gods in his face and we are to worship him alone. If we don't destroy their altars, we run the risk of letting them seduce us into their heathen practices. Yahweh then says a big fat NO to molten idols (like a golden calf or a metal star on top of your Ra's penis trees). He then tells us what we are actually supposed to celebrate: the feast of unleavened bread which is one of his seven feasts/moedim (appointed times).
TLDR: Yahweh said don't celebrate Pagan unholy days, but make sure you observe my feasts. What do most professing believers do? They celebrate the Pagan filth and trample all over Yahweh's feasts.
Deuteronomy 12:30-32
"Take heed to yourself that you don't become snared by following them, after they are destroyed before you; and that you don't enquire after their mighty ones (false gods), saying: 'how did these nations serve their mighty ones? I will serve mine in the same way that they served theirs.'
You shall not do this to Yahweh your Elohim, because every abomination to Yahweh, that he hates, they have done to their mighty ones; they even burned their sons and daughters in the fire to their mighty ones.
Whatever I command you, make sure that you do it: you shall not add to it or take away from it."
I took this passage from the King James Version and then put the old English thees and thous into a modern vernacular. I also replaced "gods" (lower case g) for mighty ones and "the LORD thy God" for Yahweh your Elohim. Nothing has been added or subtracted, I've just made it easier to understand to a modern reader.
I am looking forward to Christmas even more than ever now because I was saved just over a week ago and I will be focussed on the birth of Christ. People are way overthinking it all. If a pagan was born on the same day as you, does that mean your birthday can’t be celebrated? Of course not! The paganism is nothing to me. If the pagan reads a book, does that mean you can’t read the Bible because it too is a book?
You can work out Yeshua’s birthday when you check out John the Baptists Dad Zechariah’s roster at the Temple that King Solomon put in place. Zechariah is after the course of Abijah (YHWH is my father). It will blow your mind that Yeshua’s birth falls during God’s true feast. The feast of tabernacles when God tabernacled with Israel in a tent.
Also the Xmas tree is an idol. People cut down a tree, put an Angel on top of the tree for what? To worship. What was Lucifer? An Angel of light.
We decorate the tree for decoration, not worship.
@@donmcc6573 Jeremiah 10. Doesn't talk about worship either. But it describes what you do right now.
@@redeemedstone So, you follow all Old Testament rules? How are you slaves doing right now? When was the last time you beat your wife?
@@donmcc6573 Lol. I am a wife and no my husband doesnt beat me. No we don't keep slaves. We are slaves in this beast system. Tell me does someone pay you for your time? If so, you're a slave too. But you're more protected under Torah than many company policies who just treat you like a number.
Yeshua's sacrifice did away with need for animal sacrifice. But He never abolished Torah as He is the Living Torah. We keep Shabbat and God's feasts. Going back to beating a wife. Where in Torah does it say to beat your wife? Did Yeshua beat any woman while He was here? No. My husband follows His example.
@@redeemedstone Leviticus is part of the Torah where it talks about how to treat your slaves.
I thought Germanic pagans brought pine trees in their house as a sign to Odin and because it doesnt die during the winter...
they did but modern "believers" think Yahweh loves us worshipping him like the heathens do when he clearly says that he HATES it.
SOURCE either of you?
@@ruthvansandt9713 watch truthunedited’s video on Christmas
@@ruthvansandt9713 the Bible.
@@kristycherry3356 uh ""germanic" "pagan" "pine" and "odin" are all words not in the Bible. Obviously I was asking the source for the claim
In Genesis it says the angel saying at the birth of creation, maybe that's what they meant by singing at the birth of Christ
So there was some symbolic meaning in the gifts of the Magi ???? For some reason, me and my hyper open mind, just imagine the magi showing up with a sippy cup, a teddy bear, and a pinky.
"Dave" the idol 🤣
I love this so much!
Christmas trees are a stumbling block of offense for many believers
I love Christmas trees, it makes me
think of the cross
Probably because other believers told them they should be.
😍😍😍 Dec.25 -CHRISTMAS DAY - -in Luke 1:26-38 angel Gabriel announces the birth of CHrist .So John the Baptizer was 6 month older than Jesus Christ .John d Baptizer was born JUNE 24 in our Gregorian cal. count 6 month after ,its DEC. 24 ,in d Bible CHRIST was born during so 25 ...in Jewish time reckoning twilight is another DAY.
Source for Johns birth day named?
just who do you want to serve the king or the fairy ??what do believers think they are doing being kept in this deception..shalom
Modern myths come from movies like "the Nativity" where Joseph is portrayed as a typical Hollywood dad, franticly pounding on doors seeking help for Mary. How silly.
First, the bible says the baby came "while they were there."
Second, they probably met up with relatives. There would be lots of women to help Mary, and midwives. If she gave birth in a cave or stable it would be more private than the inn.
A manger not only kept him out of the manure, but it was also symbolic. A feeding crib, raising the feed up off the ground - appropriate for the One who offers Himself up: "take and eat - this is My body."
The are three men. The first speaking from the heart the affirmative,, the second speaking from the heart the negative and the third speaking from the mind. Which one be fake for the truth of a person is not what is right or wrong but that that is that of a child's honesty for anything else is a coercive agenda.
I can justify my sin in anyway
The shepherds would have likely been out in the fields during the winter. That is the main time when predators come. I keep goats and it is not uncommon for them to give birth around Christmas, and my climate is colder than Bethlehem. So, the shepherds would need to be with their flocks during the winter. And the Bible talks about at least one shepherd out when it was cold. "The frost by night."
Genesis 31:38-40 38 This twenty years have I been with thee; thy ewes and thy she goats have not cast their young, and the rams of thy flock have I not eaten.
39 That which was torn of beasts I brought not unto thee; I bare the loss of it; of my hand didst thou require it, whether stolen by day, or stolen by night.
40 Thus I was; in the day the drought consumed me, and the frost by night; and my sleep departed from mine eyes.
Bottom line is “Christmas “ has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. That is plain to see.
Also the climate of the region was mild so there's no winter that would stop any shepherding in the fields that people use as an excuse. There were Lambs being born all year round because they sacrificed Lambs all year round!
Highly unintelligent and unresearched statement. Please don’t spread lies, it’s unchristian.
No, the shepherds came to town in the winters and barn raised their lambs at those times of the year. The story of Christ’s birth specifically tells us that by the location of the shepherds at that time that it was likely fall or early spring as they were near enough to town to come back and worship the baby Christ that same night. If it had been December 25 they would have already been in town.
Don’t spread Rome’s lies, Rome is the Antichrist and Mike played their fiddle in this video. He should be ashamed but his mentor was Illuminati so it’s not that surprising that he takes these false opinions
Of course a Catholic found their bones
17:20 but the angel said they would find him in a manger.... if he was 5 years old ish would he still be sleeping in a manger? So they didn’t find him in a manger? Please clarify.
Unless I’m mistaken, angels spoke to the shepherds not the Magi
@@kellywillard241 oh, I’ll look that up because that would answer that issue. Thank you!
@@kellywillard241 Correct Kelly it WAS the Shepherds who were told by the Angels that Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ would be found by them "laying in a manger."
Does not means where and how he born but all I know he came on earth and changed my life . We celebrate not the date but the birth of god in flesh . All non Christians trying to over come Christianity but they cannot until God will . Now very sad some Christians are too much about and some just criticizing because they influenced by non Christians….
Should Christmas be celebrated?
Jesus’ birthdate is nowhere to be found. I’ve heard the rationale of ‘we’re doing it to honor Christ’s birth. But, in doing so, are you going beyond what is written?
1 Corinthians 4:6 “….. Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favoring one against the other.”
What does the Bible say?
Remember 2 Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight…..
Christmas tree??
Jeremiah 10:1-5 says do not learn the way of the nations….for the customs of the people are a delusion……it is a tree of the forest that is cut down……they adorn it silver and gold….and fasten it with hammer and nails so it won’t fall over.
What about the star of Bethlehem that is normally placed on top of the Christmas tree? This ‘miraculous’ star first led the astrologers to King Herod, who wanted to kill Jesus. After Herod, the star immediately led the astrologers straight to Jesus. After Jesus, they started back to Herod, but one of God’s angels told them to go a different way. Matthew 2:1-12
What about Santa? Are we telling false stories?
2 Timothy 4:4
1Timothy 4:7
2 Peter 1:16
1 Timothy 1:4
What about birthdays?
Ecc 7:1 says that your day of death is better than your day of birth.
Did you know that there are 2 places in the Bible where someone was celebrating a birthday?
Phar’aoh celebrated his birthday. Was he a worshipper of God? Genesis 40:20
Herod celebrated his birthday. Was he a worshipper of God? Matthew 14:6
In both of these accounts, someone died, one of them being John the Baptist, Jesus’ own cousin.
Please remember 2 Timothy 3:16.
Pharaoh and Herod had people executed whenever they pleased. The fact that they chose to do this on one of their birthdays does not mean it is wrong to observe a birthday.
@@francisogbonna_ his point was that the only times someone was celebrating his own brithday (like an egotisicial fool) in the bible that it was someone who was not considered to be Christian.....and on top of that both of those times a human was sacrificed....but keep on finding excuses you fool.
"Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."
So why would you fasten an idol with nails?
Okay but say we *assume* God was indeed talking about an idol in this chapter, how close do you get to the real thing before it's sin? Where do you draw the line? Can you work it into a shape of a fat man, and say "Oh this is just decoration not an idol, I just like how it looks!" In other words can you just change one detail of what God told you not to do, and say now it's fine?
An idol is merely a representation of a false god used for worship.
Whether that is what you are intending or not, God told us "Jeremiah 10:2 Learn not the way of the heathen". So if in Jerimiah 10 He almost exactly describes the act of putting up a Christmas tree and says it's what the heathens do, then we as Christian's should stay a good distance away from copying it.
Don't hold on to the heathens traditions, it is too dangerous!
Oh and btw, in Jerimiah 10:8 where you said "A wooden idol", I don't know what translation you used, but "Wooden Idol" in KJV reads "Stock" and was translated from the hebrew word "עץ" which means Tree.
MichaelHeathman.
THANK YOU,THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
At long, long last I find someone on the internet who is very,very intelligent and really knows what he is talking about when it is ALRIGHT TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS.
I echo EVERY single word you have written in your reply and absolutely love the points that you make.
WELL DONE and WELL SAID Sir.
Hope you have a VERY HAPPY CHRISTMAS Micheal.
Psalms 115: 2-7 it's got nothing to do with a Christmas tree at all not even a little bit they cut trees down an make it into the image of a MAN? It's a doctrine made up from religion that tries to try an acuse people of worshipping Christmas trees which is a lie.. don't go by what someone tells you read all scriptures to prove all things .. God bless may you enjoy time with your family this year..
@@Ze_Chevalier nope. Read the hole chapter. It’s still not talking about trees, even in KJV.
@@abrahamrodriguez3197 You do you man, and I'll do me. I don't want to face the all-mighty on judgement day and be asked why I still participated even though I knew better.
This is sad that he hasn’t woken up to the truth. 😢
Mary statues are idols but a Christmas tree isn't. lol
@@eve3363 it’s deeper than thar
Please share the truth.
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What about Yule? That was a pagan tradition that used the trees and apples as ornaments and wreaths to dress the tree and we appear to have gotten our tradition from this. Just saying, this is actually historically known to be an adaptation of paganism into the Christian tradition that happened in Norway towards the end of the first millennium AD. The tradition itself predates this and appears to have been implanted into Germany from the same tradition spoken of in Jeremiah.
Secondly the cult of Sol Invictus and the December 25 celebration were established prior to the end of the 3rd century in Rome. This is historical Mike, how are you missing this stuff in your research? People rely on you for good information, and unfortunately I think you came in with a preconceived opinion and tried to get that opinion back out on this one.
The Christmas celebration on December 25 was first enacted following the death of Pope Mark(technically called Bishop of Rome in his own lifetime) in October 336 AD and prior to the ordination of Pope Julius I in 337 AD. Thus the first December 25 Christmas date was held on 12/25/336 and this is about 50 years after the first December 25 Sol Invictus.
I like you Mike, but I think you fumbled this one, GOD Bless 🙏🏼
Thank you for sharing.
Theres alotnur leaving out and its not some made up goddess u mentioned and its semramus and tammus and from the story of nimrod where the december 25th worship comes from.