I personally like that your teachings are straight out of the bible and not out of your own convictions or opinions with any false rules or regulations. Thank you for the good news.
I'm so jealous of those who sit under the teaching of Mike in the flesh but I'm grateful for the gift of the Internet because these wonderful teachings can reach me all the way in Uganda!
@@mlokole254 Sometimes I wish my church preached on Sundays with the theological depth of a Mike Winger or a Chris Rosebrough. One reason I've considered, more than once, find one that at least comes close. Thoughts?
Anybody still checking out these videos? For real this helped me today when I woke up and was overwhelmed with doubt! Thanks Mike! For staying faithful to walking worthy of the calling you've been given!
yayyy, I’m mostly frustrated with Christians who don’t fully believe the bible or twist it to their beliefs. I have much peace with Mike Winger, and I never dealt with my anger towards unbelieving Christians so I’m trusting God will show me His grace that I might treat the truth as Mike Winger does: with thoroughness and patience.
A Christian stranger pointed me your way. I'm glad I came, your delivery is wonderful and cuts through mental distraction. Going to binge watch now. God bless
00:00 - Is there a God? (Arguments for God's existence) 2:27 - Who is this God? 5:13 - How would he speak to us? (Written message would be reliable and precise enough form of communication) 6:20 - What is the proof of a message being from God? (The information should come outside of the mind of man - Prophecy) 23:14 - Other religions' attempts at prophecies: - Mormonism 34:28 - Watch tower society / Jehovah's witnesses 44:22 - Those leaders are either delusional or liers 44:53 - Quran has no predictive prophecy 45:26 - Bible IS the message from God 45:53 - Intro to the series of Evidence for the Bible
Thank you for your obedience. Although I believed in God, it was always by faith. I now understand the reason for the hope inside me. I am motivated to live a God centred life more than before. I now KNOW that God is 100% in control, as my knowledge of His Word increases.
Mike I just really want to say thank you for your faithfulness to the lord this is my third time through this series and I literally gave my live because by about the 10th video I was so thouroughly convinced that the implications made me break down i know it was Gods work but he used you as an instrument brother just know this series saved at least one life and that’s mine and that’s worth everything you’ve been through !
Thank you. I really, really appreciate your work to help us Christians answer these questions to skeptics and more importanly for us personally to strenghten our faith. Your videos embolden me to approach evangelism with the confidence of a full quiver. Please keep up to amazing work. God bless.
I am so glad this is still here. I have been looking for prophesy that has come true I can tell my unbeliever family members when we get in thee God conversation and I seem to stumble. Looking forward to this series!!
Im excited to watch this series I wake up every morning at 3am and I be like ok God tell me something give me some wisdom please and here it is I cant believe I even understand all this Hebrew Greek Gods word like im jus a throw away from Brooklyn NY n look at God teaching me I feel so blessed to truly know my Lord so glad He found me this series is already a blessing and I'm jus beginning thx for takin the time to do this I bid u Gods speed 🙏
Such a blessing! The Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when he put fire in your heart to speak on why we can trust the Scripture as Gods word. It is under heavy attack now and I have seen so many fall away because of this
The most telling exchange you can have with an atheist or agnostic is to ask the question: if it could be proven to you beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists and the Bible is his authentic word to us, would you follow him? If they're honest with themselves, they'll say no. Because at the end of the day it's a heart attitude to rebel against God, not an intellectual one. All the same, great presentation. I may pass it on to a few people. :)
That's a pretty fair question! I'm an agnostic/atheist, if God could be proven to exist, i would have no problem telling people I'm a theist. However, following any God would entail other questions that would need to be answered. I'm not the arbiter of truth, I follow the evidence where it leads.
You blew my mind with your brief explanation of Jesus' "This generation" statement in Matthew 24. That always confused me, because I interpreted it as the generation he was speaking to, not the generation who saw those signs. I immediately stopped and read through Matthew 24 and it was so strangely obvious! Thank you!
I would disagree that Prophecy is future telling, although, in our limited scope that is what happens. With God, Prophecy is not future telling but rather is truth. False Prophets do not speak truth. True Prophets speak truth. "Your WORD is TRUTH."
Hey... that is a great thought. It's future telling from our perspective which limited as beings within time. But what is it for God? That's a question worth pursuing.
As an atheist I have to refute a few points here. I'll start with where I paused the video. He said we would "believe in nothing". I think he's missing the point here, we often admit that we cannot empirically verify some fundamental things, like the existence of others or matter, it's impossible to verify that this existence is anything more than our imagination. This does not mean we accept that position. It simply shows that we are being honest about what we can and can't demonstrate. A great example of this is last-Thursday-ism. It shows that it is impossible to verify that the world didn't pop into existence, as is, memories and all, last Thursday. Anything presented could easily be dismissed with "that's simply part of the everything that popped into existence last thursday".
The best way to make an unchanging record is to write it down? Really? How about using his omnipotence to broadcast the information directly into everyone's brain so they all get the same message and there can be no misinterpretations. This would be far more efficient than only broadcasting to a few people and relying on the faults of humanity to spread the message through text that can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, etc. It would be unambiguous and take 0 effort when compared to the infinite capabilities that an omnipotent being would possess.
Most religions claim to have "genuine prophecies" and back them up with events. Id likely accept prophecy if it said X will happen in Y years and be enacted by Z (groups/people/countries/etc). But vague prophecies with with no timeline or specific details can be made by anyone with 100% accuracy. Because given enough time and a common enough event being foretold its bound to happen eventually. I hope you have examples with such specifics not just vague references that could be interpreted to match a multitude of common events.
It's disappointing how you started saying true prophecies will be proof and then, just stopped short of supporting that (so far), and only showed other religions failed prophecies... That should have been another video titled something like "false prophecies that show other religions to be false" or call this video something like that.
@@knightbeforedawn he responded to two of your comments, I'll quickly respond to your other two So your first comment, seems to just be you saying that, humans can't logically determine things using reason, it's all just imagination, this just seems to be a mere statement of your rejection of any kind of logical thinking meaning anything, not anything logical to actually prove something As for your 2nd comment which you made, I don't have anything to refute thst right now
2:48 I would have a lot of questions, assuming we are talking about the Judeo-Christian god. The first one would probably be, “What was with all the God-created or God-ordained genocide in the Old Testament?”
28:32 this is still the one sticking point I have with your exegesis. “This generation” linguistically, textually, prophetically was the generation to whom Jesus was speaking. The abomination happened in AD 70. During that generation.
Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist, explains the creation of the universe and our solar system and our planet and the physical steps that occured in creation, and are exactly the creation sequence of events written in Genesis. No one at the time Genesis was written had any scientific information, we have today, yet the exact sequence of events that scientists have proven today that occured are written in Genesis. To me this proves divine influence.
@@teacherthecat9132 No, thanks; I'll stick to real physics. I asked for the chapter and verse in Genesis where the CMB and anti-matter are mentioned. So far, no one has supplied an answer.
@@michaelsommers2356 also, since when is the Bible obligated to talk about antimatter? It’s not the point. It’s like wanting to buy a book about math to study for an exam but then being upset when there is nothing about biology in it. That’s not the point
I recently discovered you and I thoroughly enjoy your teaching. I’ve watched several of your full-length playlists including the ones about “women in ministry, Calvinism, and Catholicism.” I feel like you are spot on in your interpretations, except one small thing as I watched this video about prophecies… You more or less said that if 100% of a persons “prophecies” didn’t come true than that person is definitely not a prophet because they made it up/lied. The day before watching this, in my own daily reading, I had come across the story of Jeroboam and the “man of God” that came from Judah (1 Kings 13:1 ESV). When that prophet left he said God instructed him, ”for so was it commanded me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘You shall neither eat bread nor drink water nor return by the way that you came.” (1 Kings 13:9 ESV). So he left but was pursued by an “old prophet”(1 Kings 13:11 ESV) on a donkey from Bethel. The old prophet intentionally lied to the “man of God”, saying: “And he said to him, “I also am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you into your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” But he lied to him.“ (1 Kings 13:18 ESV) Then God sends a lion to kill the “man of God” for his disobedience . This story is a straight forward case of a real prophet (according to the Bible) that has not had 100% success. Whether intentional or not, from an outsider perspective, this prophet had real prophecies and not real prophecies. The Bible never says that the old prophet was a false prophet.
I just read the full chapter to get a hand of the context and here's the thing, the old prophet did not claim it was a prophecy. As per the definition Mike gave, a prophecy is something that has not* happened that will* happen. Right? The old prophet didn't say something would happen, he just hands down lied trying to tempt the man of god into disobidience. Now while all false prophecy is by definition a lie, not all lies are falese prophecy. You know what I mean? So I don't really think this could qualify as an example
There is only one truth, and that's we made up a nice book out of some nice story's. We humans are quite week and need explanation for everything, that book gave it. But come on Cheryl, we live in 2018, we now know there is no god and we have science to explain things in life. Wake up man, there is total none none none proof of an existing of god. Why the hell you think thats the case? Why its just clear in history how the bible and other story has developed? Nothing to do with a god.... man man I really wonder how its possible people cant think rational.
Cloudy Water Does it seeming ridiculous necessarily entail its falsehood? We live in an extraordinary world where many things seem unbelievable yet they are true. And do bad consequences of something mean it is false? Religion has done immense good for our society as well as bad. Modern science had its origin in the monotheistic idea that there was a single Creator that created the universe in a comprehensible way that we could understand. That’s only one way religion has positively impacted our culture, I could go on. And I’m not saying this means that theism is true, just that to say all that religion has done is evil is ignoring the other side of it all. And I’m not denying that atheists can be good and happy people. I’m simply stating that just because it makes people happy does not mean it is the comfort blanket you make it out to be, though it certainly can be for some believers.
Nothing would be more permanent than God just existing on Earth with us. The written word isn't permanent. God literally has nothing else to do but chill. He's all powerful/eternal/can do anything he wants without want. It's really a dorky argument so far that he doesn't just chill on Earth in some form at all times/forever. Christians need him to be gone to explain some of their lore. Wild argument.
If the bible god were real, I seriously doubt christians would have invented the entire field of apologetics to try and explain away all of the issues. This should really be a LOT easier than it appears to be.
Skeptic here, so I like the fact that you are demanding a very high level of the effectiveness of prophecy before you accept that something is God's word: "if a prophecy by someone is not true then his prophecy does not come from God?" Based on your assumptions, this was a gentle introduction which dealt with the low hanging fruit. The dates of JW and Mormon prophecies are quite specific and easy to date. Hence, they are easy to falsify. I'll be looking at a few things as I go through this series. 1. How do you date the prophecies and show/argue that the prophecy was later fulfilled? 2. How do you rule out self-fulfilling prophecy (e.g. as you said if someone made a "prophecy" about your life, you wouldn't do anything to make it become true, since this is a form of self-fulfilling prophecy)? 3. If all the prophecies of a prophet should be true, how do you/we know that you have addressed all his prophecies? (actually, I wouldn't be so strict on this point just a few clearly fulfilled prophecies would make an impact on me). 4. I hope you give some examples of what you mean by "fulfilled prophecy supports prophecy that has not been fullfilled yet".
There are reasons to strongly suspect the gospels were written in part to fulfill old prophesies for credibility. So you have to assume the gospels are true as evidence that they are true. Obvious circular reasoning
Jesus said, "And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.” This already happened. Matthew 16:28 And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.” Mark 9:1 Jesus went on to say, “I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Kingdom of God arrive in great power!” Luke 9:27 I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Kingdom of God.”
Hi Cinnemon. All three of these verses are followed immediatly by the account of the transfiguration, which has nothing to do with Jesus second coming.
I was wondering if some one could point out the Bible passages that specify that if a prophet gets one prophecy wrong they are entirely false. I have been taking with Mormons, and would like to be able to point directly to scripture. I have seen Deuteronomy 18:20-22, where it states that a prophet who claims a prophecy from God and gets it wrong should be killed, but it doesn't state clearly that all of there other prophecies we're wrong. Or if that is what the passages is saying please help me to see that as well!
Remember the rich man and Lazarus in Jesus’s parable? The rich man died and opened his eyes in flames of torment. He saw Abraham across the divide (before Christ’s sacrifice men could not enter heaven) and asked that he could be sent back to warn his brothers. And Abraham said, they have the prophets. If they won’t believe the prophets they won’t believe, even if they were to see a man raised from the dead. Evidence is not the issue. It never has been. The issue is the heart of those who don’t want to submit themselves to God’s authority.
I’ve watched 5 videos on Evidence for the Bible, parts 1-5. Wow! There is SO much information! You have made this Truth from God’s Word interesting, engaging, and more easily understood. But, I still struggle. I am not great with knowing history so I struggle knowing how I could prepare to even have a conversation about the authority of God’s Word with someone. Of the information you’ve presented, do you have any suggestions of details I could continue to review so I can grow in this area? Thanks for your hard work in getting these together over 8 years ago, God is still using them!
“Why should we turn to someone other than historians or scientists, the experts in their related fields of research, for answers related to history or science? Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.” -Joseph R. Hanson
I’m not a believer. But it’s not because I demand proof for every tiny detail of everything said. It’s because looking at the big picture, it makes way more sense to me that there are natural explanations for much of nature and how incredible complexity can emerge naturally. It makes more sense that religions are a natural product of human culture and are not based on anything real besides evolved human nature. It’s not that I like not believing or even choose it. I just don’t have the capacity for believing what sounds and feels like nonsense to me. And I suspect most people believe not out of rational thought but out of fear of mortality, or brainwashing from childhood ( which is why religions for the most respect geography. Many believe what you grow up with. Just listen to the Richard carriers, Carl Sagans, chris hitchens etc for balance unless you want to just accept without critical thought. Morality sucks but I care about truth too much.
You say you dont have the capacity of believing. Please pray to God for forgivness for not believing in him. You hate your creator in your heart. You know you hate him. You (including the whole world) deserve hell, eternal punishment from God. Turn to Jesus, he is the only one who can save you.
1:16 Human beings don’t need a god in order to have morals. Moreover, the many different denominations of Christianity have differing views on morality, meaning those viewpoints could not have come from the perfect word of God, since the perfect word would not be open for differing interpretations. Furthermore, if God were disproven tomorrow, are you telling me you would start treating people immorally?
I shutter 😱 to think if there was proof that God did not exist how people would act. Yes, you have a few nonbelievers who are "moral" in this life but we all will face Him later whether you believe He exists or not. The question could be will morals stand up in the presence of God? 🤔
@@garlicgirl3149 If your belief in God is what keeps you acting morally, and you think you would start acting otherwise, up to and including directly harming other people, if you stopped believing in God, then PLEASE keep believing. However, I have more faith in humanity than that. I have more faith in YOUR humanity than that.
@@jimurban5367 Why do you have faith in humanity? When I turn on the news it is filled with murder, hate, greed, lust, etc. Within my own heart I know that, according to God's standards, i am not good. None of us are really but we love to create our own standards that allows us to be self-righteous while also saying others are wrong? Are you an atheist? What is the foundation for your morals? If you believe that we "ought" do certain things, how do you come to those conclusions? If you operate on a human flourishing/human suffering paradigm, does that not lead to morality based on a "majority rules" framework (since morals would just change based on whether humans are flourishing or suffering)?
@@jimurban5367 now, if I became an atheist, I wouldn’t go around hurting people not at all but answer this question. What makes this moral and immoral?
@@JB-if1cx Lot's of questions to respond to, so I will parse them out here. Q: Why do you have faith in humanity? A: You know, you make some good points. I'm not sure I actually do have faith in humanity. I need to reevaluate what I was thinking when I made that statement. Q: Are you an atheist? A: I am not convinced that a god exists, nor do I go about my day-to-day life under the assumption that one does. If I had to put a label on myself, I would say I am an agnostic atheist. Q: What is the foundation for your morals? A: Well-being. Q: If you believe that we "ought" do certain things, how do you come to those conclusions? A: It's hard to give a black-and-white answer, but if I had to, it would be something like this. If something increases well-being, then it ought to be done. If something decreases well-being, then it ought not to be done. Q: If you operate on a human flourishing/human suffering paradigm, does that not lead to morality based on a "majority rules" framework (since morals would just change based on whether humans are flourishing or suffering)? A: This flourishing/suffering paradigm you propose seems to be a lot like what I am saying about well-being (if I'm wrong, let me know). That said, I'm not sure that it follows that a majority rules scenario, where say 75% of a population is flourishing and 25% is suffering, falls in line with this. If 25% of the population is suffering, then there are plenty of things that ought to be done to increase well-being. Perhaps if we could talk about a concrete example, it may lead to a more fruitful discussion. My question for you: It seems that you operate under the assumption that (1) there is a god, (2) that god has set forth objective morality, and (3) humans can or should know what constitutes this god's objective morality. How can you be certain that what you interpret as this god's objective moral standards is not clouded by, if not outright equivalent with, your own subjective judgement?
This guy is on my short list of very solid Christian apologists: Jacob Prasch, Roger Oakland, Dave Hunt (deceased), Mike Winger, Jan Markel, Carly Matrisciana (deceased), Johanna Michelson. A few have passed away, but there TH-cam videos mean their ministry continues just as Mike's will long after he is gone!
If anybody sees this Lee strobel made a great book and movie called Case for Christ about an atheist journalist trying to objectively investigate Jesus’ resurrection. Very good, I saw the movie and a testimony from a former atheist who said the book helped to convert him.
Winger is a real stand up minister that actively studies and utilizes a defense of various biblical truths. Still, I must say that having read Nostradamus years ago, some of his prophecies appear to have substance to them and considering the type of symbolism he was known to use with the ones that can be basically understood, he had warned of many things and had an interesting track record. So I think he was likely legit as one of the few more modern prophets. Don't let the door open too far, but it pays to have an open mind in certain areas.
5:20 Speaking via writing is not a very reliable way. Just think about the disagreements in meaning of the various English translations of the Bible. These are compounded all the more over time as a language’s meanings change, and compounded even more when translated between entirely different languages. The best part: God could have avoided the translation miscommunications by not causing language confusion in the first place with the Tower of Babble story.
God could physically manifest and tell somebody to their face that the word is from Him. After all, he is all powerful and he did manifest in physical form at times in the Old Testament.
1:40 "or another way to put it is the argument from common sense" Not quite, Mike - to be more precise, it's called the "argument from ignorance" and it's a logical fallacy. The moral argument and argument from design both rest on this mistake, in that they both ultimately conclude "I don't know how x is the way it is, therefore God did it".
I think you’ve mislabeled them. They are an argument to the best explanation. But that’s certainly not an argument from ignorance. I know this could sound condescending and I really worry that it can come off that way. So please hear me graciously, if you will. To call the moral argument or argument from design an argument from ignorance is to be very unaware of either the nature of the arguments or the nature of the fallacy. I don’t think professional atheist philosophers would even agree with you.
@@MikeWinger I guess at that point the question is on what basis would you say this is the best explanation? Because, at least for my money, every single time I've heard this argument it's always come down to some version of "we can't explain it, so it must be from a god", with no qualifying steps to get to that point. But I realize that then I'm essentially asking you to give the full argument here, and I can appreciate that a TH-cam comment section is far from the best place to do that.
Ironically I think the principle applied here (that we can know who speaks for God because it's truth) can be applied to Catholic confession, or more specifically Catholic Priest absolution! Some in the Catholic Church sort of believe the Priest forgives, but mainstream or official teaching is that the Priest only declares God's forgiveness based on passages like John 20:23 "If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The problem here is that God does not forgive if someone is unrepentant and, therefore, if a Priest acting for God declares forgiveness of sin, then the confessor must be repentant else the Priest is not acting for God. I've spoken to many Catholics and Catholic Priests on this, and whilst they admit it must happen (that the confessor isn't repentant) they don't see a problem with the teaching (that a Priest is declaring God's forgiveness). Yet they also admit that they have not known a Priest declare unforgiveness which is also part of John 20.
Nostradamus got a few right... so did Edgar Cayce. Nostradamus predicted the death of Henry II "The young lion will overcome the older one, On the field of combat in a single battle; He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage, Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death." (Century 1, Quatrain 35) "The year was 1559. Nostradamus' predictions were ignored by Henry II, and the latter took part in a jousting tournament against Comte de Montgomery (six years younger than Henry II). Both of them had shields which was embossed with the lion. During the final fight, Montgomery's lance, which he failed to lower at the right time, shattered. A piece of it went through the King's gilded visor (Golden cage), which resulted in two wounds, as per Nostradamus' predictions; one spliced his eye, while the other pierced his temple, just behind his eye. His brain was penetrated by both the splinters. For 10 days, the King underwent intolerable pain, and then died a cruel death. So, one of the great seer's predictions comes true". I think they were aided by demonic entities in order to see the future or in Cayce's case to heal those who came to him. Nostradamus was cryptic to keep from being tried for heresy. But as you pointed out, neither of them had a 100 percent track record. Nostradamus was just above average in just guessing stuff. Cayce, however, was something else entirely. He could sleep on his text books and absorb the material. He was called the sleeping prophet because he would go under hypnosis and channel some entity that was able to diagnose illnesses no matter where the subject was in relation to Cayce. He was always right. They have an entire research institute where they archived all his readings.The only time he wasn't right was when he said Atlantis would have risen by now. Still not 100 percent. I would LOVE to know why a demonic entity would do so much good through Edgar Cayce, perhaps just to keep a Godly man separated from God through the divination? Would it be worth it to Satan to help all those folks in order to claim one soul? My bigger question is, what if Cayce didn't realize that the Bible forbade any kind of psychic dealings? Would he still be condemned to hell? Which leads to a bigger question.. if people are only responsible to worship the parts of God which they instinctively know exist and respect even if they never heard the gospel, would it not be better to leave them ignorant and therefore acceptable to enter heaven? I'm sure I have something mixed up. Help me unmix, please? lol
Because if there is a God then it means he created you he is your maker and.. Well, GOD. if you dont get it then you probably show little if any respect towards others especially authority figures.. Btw showing respect is way more mature, makes you look like 1000x a bettet person, shows that you are tough with a strong mind (disrespect usually means weak minded person)
I'm hoping for your rebuttal against Digital Hamurabi's critique of your Part 2 video on Ezekiel's prophecy of Tyre, I would like to share your rebuttal with my grandson. Thank you, Mike
In Matthew 24, I'm fairly certain Jesus was talking about that generation specifically. I'm open to having my mind changed on this, but I think the text makes it very clear that those things will happen in that generation. And they did.
A lot of the Pentecost think that is talking about our generation. Jesus was talking about temple being destroyed and it was to finish making the end of sacrifices in the temple. What Jesus did was finish his work at cross, but they were holding to sacrifices even though Jesus said it would cease. He had to make it cease by destroying the temple. The old covenant had offically ceased.
Hello Mike! Thanks for the videos you're making to defend the Bible 😉. I've a question, do you know any book/s that does/do collect the most certain Bible prophecies and their historical fulfillment? Thanks in advance.
It seems that you do a lot of research. What are your thoughts on Psalm 37:10 when it says that in a little while the wicked would not be. What happened to the fulfillment since the wicked are still here some 2400 years later? The same goes with Revelation chapter 22 where both God and Jesus say that they are coming soon? Soon seems to be a long time to me?
Does Daniel live up to the criteria for a true prophet laid out in Deuteronomy 18? Daniel 9:24 says that 70 weeks are decreed to put an end to sin, bring in everlasting righteousness and seal up vision and prophecy. Sin continues to this day, everlasting righteousness has not been brought and many prophecies have yet to be fulfilled.
The only part of Daniel 9:24 that Christians can point to as fulfilled is the part about atoning for wickedness, but that’s a completely unverifiable claim.
You are correct, everlasting righteousness has not occurred, it is still future. If you research this you will find that 69 sevens were to the coming of Messiah. The final seven year period, the tribulation, has not happened yet. The Messiah was not accepted when he came at the 69th seven year period. The 69 seven year periods (483 years) is somewhat complicated because the years are prophesied in 30 day months, 360 day years. We know now that a year is approximately 365.25 days. Some have gone into great detail reconciling what these 483 years translates into in 365 day years and apparently it comes to April 32 AD. The 70th seven year period (Daniel 9:27) begins when the seven year peace treaty with Israel comes into being which is still future. The Temple in Jerusalem has not been built yet. In the middle of the final seven year period, the final tribulation period, the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple of God equating himself with God. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. What Temple? It has not been built yet even though it is clear that it could literally be built at any time. Without a peace treaty would it be built? When Trump was President it appeared that there was nearly such a peace treaty with Israel and the Middle Eastern countries, close. A foreshadowing? I don't know. It was quite a surprise to me. But that is what is prophesied in Daniel 9:27, more specifically a seven year covenant. Paul make it clear in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 that Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, will not return until after the two events in that chapter which have not happened yet. Paul is obviously talking about a time when the temple in Jerusalem has been rebuilt. There hasn't been a temple since it was utterly destroyed in 70 AD. You can find the truth, but you have to seek it out. The ultimate fulfillment of the 70 sevens is the return of Christ, the second and final coming of Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Consider the prediction of the Two Witnesses that talks about the world seeing their dead bodies that lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. That wasn't possible until the 20th century. Something to consider. Some prophecies will not become clear until the times of the prophecies are near. It took over 1,800 years for this point of this prophecy to become clear.
@@chad969 Consider Daniel 9:26. The end of the first 69 seven year periods when the Messiah was to come and be cut-off. If you want the truth you can't just read 9:24. First of all you have to read 9:24 through 9:27, obviously. And then consider, as the Bible is really one overall message, you would have to read and comprehend other passages throughout the Bible. When Jesus came he filled in some of the blanks, so to speak as did his disciples that were entrusted to write the New Testament. Now we are living in times that seem to be bringing together of a one-world government divided into 10 regions. If you consider what has been unfolding in front of the entire word's eyes for the past two years. Nothing like this has happened world-wide in history.
@@robertbrown6879 Hello and thank you for commenting. I agree with you that one shouldn't just look at verse 24, but the whole prophecy within the context provided by Daniel. Where we're probably going to disagree is that I think in order for a prediction/prophecy to have evidential value, at a bare minimum it has to be clear enough to be understood prior to its purported fulfillment. That's the only way it could be falsifiable, and Deuteronomy 18 assumes that prophecies are supposed to be falsifiable in principle. The more ambiguous a prediction is, the more ways it could be interpreted. The more ways it could interpreted, the greater the number of events that could qualify as a fulfillment. The greater the number of events that could qualify as a fulfillment, the higher the probability that one of those evens will be seen as a fulfillment, even if that event doesn't correspond to what the author of the prophecy actually intended to convey. As an analogy, imagine if I were to predict that seven and three years from 2020, the empire state building will be destroyed. Ten years go by and you say, "Hey Chad, the empire state building is still standing. I guess your prediction didn't come true." Then I respond, "Actually no, it's not a false prediction because I never said the seven and three years were consecutive. There's actually an indeterminate gap of time between the seven years and the three years." At that point you would be completely justified in saying, "well you should have made that clear when you gave the prediction in the first place". And do you see how introducing that unspecified gap of time between the 3 and 7 years renders the prophecy completely unfalsifiable and unimpressive? If the Empire state building were destroyed in the year 2040, It would be entirely trivial for me to then say. "Look, my prediction came true", because the indeterminate gap opens the prophecy up to being "fulfilled" at literally any time following the 10 year period. Now going back to Daniel, If you were an ancient Israelite reading Daniel 9:24-27 prior to the first century, would you think that the seven and sixty two weeks are supposed to be consecutive? If so, why wouldn't you think that the 70 weeks are also supposed to be consecutive? Do you see any indication in the text of Daniel 9 that the 70th week is not supposed to immediately follow the previous 69 weeks?
@@chad969 Isn't the Bible one message, overall. The key I think is in Messiah being cut-off, the final tribulation period (Daniel, Mark 13, 2 Thes 2). I don't think it was possible for the nation of Israel to accept Jesus as the Messiah. Wasn't in the plan. Paul points this out in Romans 11:25 and elsewhere. If one were to understand all of scripture at one point in time, then he could truly know the complete message of the Bible. But I think the outline is simple. The Messiah being cut-off and Israel being blind to the Messiah I think is the key. God's plan of salvation for the Gentiles rests on this. Plus we know that the final tribulation period mention in Daniel 9, and Mark 13, and 2nd Thessalonians 2 all read in context makes it clear. The final 7 year tribulation period has not happened. The covenant or peace treaty with Israel hasn't happened. The temple in Jerusalem has not been rebuilt although it is apparent it literally could be rebuilt at any time, if the circumstances are right. Trump surprised me when it appeared he was negotiating a peace treaty with Israel and various middle east nations. Didn't happen. The events of the past two years, the consolidation of power amongst nearly all of the nations of the world, this need to "vaccinate" 7 billion people come hell or high water. All of this seems to be leading up to a very near one world order with ten regions?
Mike W., Can you put all 20 videos into a playlist on your channel? These videos are buried in the middle of your channel; and most people will never see them without a separate listing as a Created Playlist. I hope you will make them easier to find; they are worth watching.
Jesus said, "THIS generation shall not pass before . . ." I'm aware of no Greek scholar arguing that Jesus might refer to any other generation than His, when He was living on earth. There is no way around this interpretation. However, I once found an explanation arguing that a more accurate translation of the passage might be: "This generation shall not pass before all of these BEGIN to happen." which turned out to be true, because the first in the sequence of end-time events that Jesus was talking about was the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, which occurred within a generation since He told these things.
You are just rationalizing. Jesus can't be wrong because Jesus can't be wrong. Well, Jesus was wrong. To explain the passage in question, you must add words to the very "inerrant(?)" text you are basing your belief on. But the text says: Matt. 24:34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until **all these things take place**. So, if ALL these things did not take place before the generation of Jesus' hearers passed away, then his prophecy is wrong.
@@bobak5126 I agree entirely with you. The thing is that I don't understand Greek, and I found once on a website the above possible translation. And if it is the case that really the text in the Greek has such grammatical structure and tenses that the above translation is a possible correct translation, then the problem goes away. Now, if the best Greek scholars unanimously agree that my suggested translation can't be correct, then it seems to me that there are only 2 reasonable alternatives: 1. I should become an atheist. 2. Mark, and subsequently the other gospels that use it as a source, misquoted Jesus in some way. It probably confused Jesus' answers to 2 questions asked by the disciples: "When will the temple be destroyed?" and "When will be the end of the world?" Jesus gave separate answers to those questions, but unfortunately, the gospel writer thought that Jesus must have been responding to both questions at once, thereby intermingling his statements. The second alternative is not problematic to me, because I don't hold a doctrine of inerrancy, which is a very weird doctrine not founded in scripture nor church history anyway. I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that it's supremely authoritative in all matters for Christians, but not necessarily that it's perfect to its tiniest details. (Such an attitude wouldn't be a choice in Islam, since the Qur'an itself claims to be inerrant.) I do affirm that no forged document made it into the Canon, and that no text is to be taken differently than it is intended to be by its writer. (Daniel the prophet wrote the book of Daniel. Paul wrote every letter in the Canon that claims to have been written by him. The book of Jonah is a historical account. Moses is not a mythical figure. Etc.) I'm aware that most Christians take a third alternative, which is that the word of prophecy is interpreted wildly that it's no longer a prophecy and no longer means what it really means. It feels like a delusional attitude to me, so it's unacceptable to me.
@@bobak5126 Something that tends to unfold over time, a long period of time, is the understanding of what the Bible is telling us. It took nearly 1,900 years for anyone to possibly be able to understand how the entire world could see the Two Witnesses dead bodies in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 and 1/2 days before they are resurrected. Revelation was written near the end of the 1st Century. The Bible was not printed until the 1600's as I recall. The technology for the whole world to see the Two Witnesses dead bodies in Jerusalem wasn't in place until the 1900's. Say late 1900's. Think CSPAN.
Allah says in the Quran that if the Quran was not from god then there would be many contradictions found in the Quran: Quran 4:82 - “the Quran? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.” The following are a few of the contradictions found in the Quran: Quran 3:3-4; 3:93; 6:92; 6:115; 18:27; 5:43; 5:46; 5:47; 5:65; 5:68; 10:94; 29:46 - all affirm the divine inspiration, preservation, and authority of Christian scriptures - and yet Quran 5:17; 5:72; 5:73; 5:75; 5:116; 4:157 say that Jesus is not God and that Jesus did not die on the cross, contradicting what the Christian scriptures say. This contradiction is so significant that it has come to have its own name: ‘The Islamic Dilemma’. Allah created man “out of a clot of blood” (Quran 96:2) Allah created man “from water” (Quran 21:30) Allah created man “from a small seed” (Quran 16:4) Allah created man “from mud” (Quran 15:26) Allah created man “out of nothing” (Quran 19:67) It took Allah 6 days to create the universe (Quran 7:54) It took Allah 8 days to create the universe (Quran 41:9-12) Allah created the earth first - and then the heavens (Quran 2:29) Allah created the heavens first - and then the earth (Quran 79:27-30)
Not all men our meant to accept the truth. He has sufficient evidence for the people who are his and for others ,God himself could appear to them and they can't accept it
11:14 By this criteria, I could claim that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow and then be proclaimed a prophet. So I think you need additional criteria that the predicted event could not be predicted by any other rational means.
I haven't read all prophecy in the Bible most most of it seems like it's hyper-specific and not something that has a high chance of already happening, but yeah Mike should have been a little more specific
@@Smojo10 Except for the prophecies that aren’t hyper specific (Is. 7: 14), or the ones that are specific and don’t come true yet people still claim they came true by ascribing metaphor (Ps. 22), or the ones that were written in much later but pretended to be written earlier as to deceptively proclaim fulfilled prophesy (Daniel), or the ones that simply claimed something was done explicitly to fulfill prophesy (Matthew) despite it not being supported elsewhere, or the misses that people overlook (Tyre actually being rebuilt) in favor of the hits….
Why you say your a jew? Those stupid things make the world miserable. Only when the brainwashing of children stops and we help people in need we can have a world full of peace. The only thing we are, are humans, when we going to speak like that there is hope.
Philia, so glad you saw this video, post your discussion question and check out the responses. If someone is unkind in their response, not speaking the truth in love, move on to the next response. Watch the rest of the series and some of the other videos from pastor Winger.
Iv a strange question that I haven’t understood. Many years back before I found Jesus I visited a medium who could speak as other people and talked to the dead. She prophesied in great detail about what was to come in my life next, it was even down to he room and clothing people would have there and the exact words spoken. I tried every way to make it not happen but it all did exactly as she said. After listening to the proof of prophesy, can Satan’s bandits also have the power to see the future? It was defiantly not from god what I experienced there.
Hi Alex. I have also consulted mediums (with mixed results) but wouldn't now, and can't subscribe to such a thing. I think this consultation with the spirit world is gaining contact with something outside God's Kingdom (I know you would agree.) Did the event of fulfilment happen before or after you became a Christian? Ultimately God is in control of events, but if you were praying to God sincerely, I'd be surprised if he didn't allow the events to change. I have heard some fallen angels are more "benevolent" than others, and I think that's possibly true. My understanding is that only God can see into the future, but the spirit realm is very perceptive and demonic spirits can help make things happen, in other words, they can fulfil their own predictions to some extent. I believe the witch at Endor who contacted Samuel actually did contact Samuel, but God allowed that to happen. I also am reminded of Edgar Casey who was supposedly a Christian and made very accurate prophesies, but also made some weird predictions and thoughts and utterances about history. You have to think about the method. Edgar Casey did all that under a trance unconsciously, which is not what would happen under the Holy Spirit. Also, one false prophesy makes someone a false prophet and not called of by God.
@@matthew8054 the spirit was not Samuel, it's clear because he didn't say the truth. He said that Saul would have been with him in heaven, but that's not true. He was not Samuel even because the Bible says that no one can talk to death in many passages.
@@c12r16 The bible says Samuel spoke. Where was Samuel? Heaven or paradise or sheol? Samuel doesn't specify the place. It would probably have been understood he was resting somewhere in Sheol. - Also he mentions Saul's sons. Whatever could be said about Saul, Jonathan would surely go to the Lord. Anyway, this is a minor point from the points I was trying to make above.
@@JeremiahParker-hk7bs Fossil & DNA evidence shows evolution made man. Historical & behavioral studies show man made stuff like Yahweh, The God Of The Bible, Zeus, Allah, Romulus, Zalmoxis, Osiris, Santa Clause, Satan, angles, prophecies, tooth fairy, resurrection, walking on water, parting the Red Sea, splitting the moon, etc.
@@JeremiahParker-hk7bs The Bible is the claim, not the evidence, for The God Of The Bible. Gotta love those smart folks who believe the Bible is the evidence for The God Of The Bible. 🤣🤣
@@JeremiahParker-hk7bs The hoaxer Christian writers, who fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus, didn’t know that a sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was common back then - e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. The superstitious early folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of the Bible in their own image.
I personally like that your teachings are straight out of the bible and not out of your own convictions or opinions with any false rules or regulations. Thank you for the good news.
Amen!
I'm so jealous of those who sit under the teaching of Mike in the flesh but I'm grateful for the gift of the Internet because these wonderful teachings can reach me all the way in Uganda!
@@mlokole254 Sometimes I wish my church preached on Sundays with the theological depth of a Mike Winger or a Chris Rosebrough. One reason I've considered, more than once, find one that at least comes close. Thoughts?
Anybody still checking out these videos?
For real this helped me today when I woke up and was overwhelmed with doubt! Thanks Mike! For staying faithful to walking worthy of the calling you've been given!
Yes :)
I am. Looking based on a conversation I had with a family member talking about contradictions in the Bible. I really enjoy Mike Winger.
yayyy, I’m mostly frustrated with Christians who don’t fully believe the bible or twist it to their beliefs. I have much peace with Mike Winger, and I never dealt with my anger towards unbelieving Christians so I’m trusting God will show me His grace that I might treat the truth as Mike Winger does: with thoroughness and patience.
I'm still vibing in 2022
Me 🙂
Mike winger, destroying unbelief one video at a time ^-^
@@RockinMatthias me too
For real
Yes, by one fallacy and baseless presupposition at a time.
@@j-joe-jeans I have not yet watched this video but did Mr. Mike try to prove something with a fallacy? If you don't remember when, I'll listen to it.
@@josephpostma1787
Yes, he often uses logical fallacies.
A Christian stranger pointed me your way. I'm glad I came, your delivery is wonderful and cuts through mental distraction. Going to binge watch now. God bless
This made me smile, where you agnostic or atheist or other religion??
00:00 - Is there a God?
(Arguments for God's existence)
2:27 - Who is this God?
5:13 - How would he speak to us?
(Written message would be reliable and precise enough form of communication)
6:20 - What is the proof of a message being from God?
(The information should come outside of the mind of man - Prophecy)
23:14 - Other religions' attempts at prophecies:
- Mormonism
34:28 - Watch tower society / Jehovah's witnesses
44:22 - Those leaders are either delusional or liers
44:53 - Quran has no predictive prophecy
45:26 - Bible IS the message from God
45:53 - Intro to the series of Evidence for the Bible
Thank you for your obedience. Although I believed in God, it was always by faith. I now understand the reason for the hope inside me. I am motivated to live a God centred life more than before. I now KNOW that God is 100% in control, as my knowledge of His Word increases.
Mike I just really want to say thank you for your faithfulness to the lord this is my third time through this series and I literally gave my live because by about the 10th video I was so thouroughly convinced that the implications made me break down i know it was Gods work but he used you as an instrument brother just know this series saved at least one life and that’s mine and that’s worth everything you’ve been through !
Congratulations 🎉
Praise God!
You gave your life..? You got saved or were you going to commit suicide and this stopped you? Sorry, I'm confused and want to know what you mean.
God bless you! I am so exited to meet you in heaven!!!!
@@jeyathagna4548 also still watching in 2024? XD
Thank you. I really, really appreciate your work to help us Christians answer these questions to skeptics and more importanly for us personally to strenghten our faith. Your videos embolden me to approach evangelism with the confidence of a full quiver. Please keep up to amazing work. God bless.
I really like the dedication to citations. The good old “here’s the answer, here’s where I found it, here’s where you can access it”
I am so glad this is still here. I have been looking for prophesy that has come true I can tell my unbeliever family members when we get in thee God conversation and I seem to stumble.
Looking forward to this series!!
I'm in the same boat as you! Hope as is well
I've really enjoyed this series, I started in the middle, but now I'm watching from the beginning, great stuff!
dont waste your time.
@@statanhelier9685 that’s quite intellectually dishonest…
Me too. Fascinating stuff.
Don’t be rude and ignorant.
Im excited to watch this series I wake up every morning at 3am and I be like ok God tell me something give me some wisdom please and here it is I cant believe I even understand all this Hebrew Greek Gods word like im jus a throw away from Brooklyn NY n look at God teaching me I feel so blessed to truly know my Lord so glad He found me this series is already a blessing and I'm jus beginning thx for takin the time to do this I bid u Gods speed 🙏
Great video Mike! I was particularly intrigued by the false prophecies of LDS and Watchtower.
Agreed. EX mormon...he's saying truth btw per exmormon.
I'm just here trying to strengthen my wavering faith. This clears out some doubt =)
What did he say that removed some doubt?
Such a blessing! The Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when he put fire in your heart to speak on why we can trust the Scripture as Gods word. It is under heavy attack now and I have seen so many fall away because of this
The most telling exchange you can have with an atheist or agnostic is to ask the question: if it could be proven to you beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists and the Bible is his authentic word to us, would you follow him? If they're honest with themselves, they'll say no. Because at the end of the day it's a heart attitude to rebel against God, not an intellectual one.
All the same, great presentation. I may pass it on to a few people. :)
That's a pretty fair question! I'm an agnostic/atheist, if God could be proven to exist, i would have no problem telling people I'm a theist. However, following any God would entail other questions that would need to be answered. I'm not the arbiter of truth, I follow the evidence where it leads.
Thank you Mike. I like these videos very much.
+Nathan Oosterhuis that's great to hear!
This series is such a blessing. Strengthening faith for the believer and equipping them for apologetic ministry.
I’m excited to watch this series. Ty Mike
You blew my mind with your brief explanation of Jesus' "This generation" statement in Matthew 24.
That always confused me, because I interpreted it as the generation he was speaking to, not the generation who saw those signs.
I immediately stopped and read through Matthew 24 and it was so strangely obvious! Thank you!
Really great series! I've learned a lot!
I would disagree that Prophecy is future telling, although, in our limited scope that is what happens. With God, Prophecy is not future telling but rather is truth. False Prophets do not speak truth. True Prophets speak truth. "Your WORD is TRUTH."
Hey... that is a great thought. It's future telling from our perspective which limited as beings within time. But what is it for God? That's a question worth pursuing.
@@essennagerry it is future telling Which is evidence for omniscience.
I'm so curious as to hear about some prophecies in the Bible that came true
As an atheist I have to refute a few points here. I'll start with where I paused the video.
He said we would "believe in nothing". I think he's missing the point here, we often admit that we cannot empirically verify some fundamental things, like the existence of others or matter, it's impossible to verify that this existence is anything more than our imagination.
This does not mean we accept that position. It simply shows that we are being honest about what we can and can't demonstrate.
A great example of this is last-Thursday-ism. It shows that it is impossible to verify that the world didn't pop into existence, as is, memories and all, last Thursday. Anything presented could easily be dismissed with "that's simply part of the everything that popped into existence last thursday".
The best way to make an unchanging record is to write it down? Really? How about using his omnipotence to broadcast the information directly into everyone's brain so they all get the same message and there can be no misinterpretations. This would be far more efficient than only broadcasting to a few people and relying on the faults of humanity to spread the message through text that can be mistranslated, misinterpreted, etc. It would be unambiguous and take 0 effort when compared to the infinite capabilities that an omnipotent being would possess.
Most religions claim to have "genuine prophecies" and back them up with events.
Id likely accept prophecy if it said X will happen in Y years and be enacted by Z (groups/people/countries/etc). But vague prophecies with with no timeline or specific details can be made by anyone with 100% accuracy. Because given enough time and a common enough event being foretold its bound to happen eventually. I hope you have examples with such specifics not just vague references that could be interpreted to match a multitude of common events.
It's disappointing how you started saying true prophecies will be proof and then, just stopped short of supporting that (so far), and only showed other religions failed prophecies... That should have been another video titled something like "false prophecies that show other religions to be false" or call this video something like that.
@@How.To.Get.Saved. you ignored my point.
@@knightbeforedawn he responded to two of your comments, I'll quickly respond to your other two
So your first comment, seems to just be you saying that, humans can't logically determine things using reason, it's all just imagination, this just seems to be a mere statement of your rejection of any kind of logical thinking meaning anything, not anything logical to actually prove something
As for your 2nd comment which you made, I don't have anything to refute thst right now
2:48 I would have a lot of questions, assuming we are talking about the Judeo-Christian god. The first one would probably be, “What was with all the God-created or God-ordained genocide in the Old Testament?”
28:32 this is still the one sticking point I have with your exegesis. “This generation” linguistically, textually, prophetically was the generation to whom Jesus was speaking. The abomination happened in AD 70. During that generation.
"The two shall, with the cup...potato"
I've watched through this series several times and this always makes me laugh.
I was sent here by Whaddo You Meme🤗. Great presentation.
Fantastic start to a series that I am just starting in 2021.
Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist, explains the creation of the universe and our solar system and our planet and the physical steps that occured in creation, and are exactly the creation sequence of events written in Genesis. No one at the time Genesis was written had any scientific information, we have today, yet the exact sequence of events that scientists have proven today that occured are written in Genesis. To me this proves divine influence.
I didn't know Genesis mentioned the cosmic microwave background. What does it say about where all the anti-matter went?
@@michaelsommers2356 read his book. It’s called the creator an the cosmos. My atheist friends even said it was good
@@teacherthecat9132 No, thanks; I'll stick to real physics. I asked for the chapter and verse in Genesis where the CMB and anti-matter are mentioned. So far, no one has supplied an answer.
@@michaelsommers2356 ok, if you want to make baseless claims without actually reading the book then go ahead my friend
@@michaelsommers2356 also, since when is the Bible obligated to talk about antimatter? It’s not the point. It’s like wanting to buy a book about math to study for an exam but then being upset when there is nothing about biology in it. That’s not the point
Thanks for this series, Mike! I’m excited to watch the subsequent videos!
I recently discovered you and I thoroughly enjoy your teaching. I’ve watched several of your full-length playlists including the ones about “women in ministry, Calvinism, and Catholicism.” I feel like you are spot on in your interpretations, except one small thing as I watched this video about prophecies…
You more or less said that if 100% of a persons “prophecies” didn’t come true than that person is definitely not a prophet because they made it up/lied. The day before watching this, in my own daily reading, I had come across the story of Jeroboam and the “man of God” that came from Judah (1 Kings 13:1 ESV). When that prophet left he said God instructed him, ”for so was it commanded me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘You shall neither eat bread nor drink water nor return by the way that you came.”
(1 Kings 13:9 ESV). So he left but was pursued by an “old prophet”(1 Kings 13:11 ESV) on a donkey from Bethel. The old prophet intentionally lied to the “man of God”, saying: “And he said to him, “I also am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you into your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” But he lied to him.“
(1 Kings 13:18 ESV)
Then God sends a lion to kill the “man of God” for his disobedience .
This story is a straight forward case of a real prophet (according to the Bible) that has not had 100% success. Whether intentional or not, from an outsider perspective, this prophet had real prophecies and not real prophecies. The Bible never says that the old prophet was a false prophet.
I just read the full chapter to get a hand of the context and here's the thing, the old prophet did not claim it was a prophecy. As per the definition Mike gave, a prophecy is something that has not* happened that will* happen. Right? The old prophet didn't say something would happen, he just hands down lied trying to tempt the man of god into disobidience.
Now while all false prophecy is by definition a lie, not all lies are falese prophecy. You know what I mean? So I don't really think this could qualify as an example
Thank you, Mike. We enjoy your depth and not-rushed care.
Hang tough Bro..they're gonna be haters especially when you speak the truth..God Bless you
There is only one truth, and that's we made up a nice book out of some nice story's. We humans are quite week and need explanation for everything, that book gave it. But come on Cheryl, we live in 2018, we now know there is no god and we have science to explain things in life.
Wake up man, there is total none none none proof of an existing of god. Why the hell you think thats the case? Why its just clear in history how the bible and other story has developed? Nothing to do with a god.... man man I really wonder how its possible people cant think rational.
Cloudy Water Why do you believe religion to be a fairy tale? Does religion making people happy make it false?
Cloudy Water Does it seeming ridiculous necessarily entail its falsehood? We live in an extraordinary world where many things seem unbelievable yet they are true. And do bad consequences of something mean it is false? Religion has done immense good for our society as well as bad. Modern science had its origin in the monotheistic idea that there was a single Creator that created the universe in a comprehensible way that we could understand. That’s only one way religion has positively impacted our culture, I could go on. And I’m not saying this means that theism is true, just that to say all that religion has done is evil is ignoring the other side of it all.
And I’m not denying that atheists can be good and happy people. I’m simply stating that just because it makes people happy does not mean it is the comfort blanket you make it out to be, though it certainly can be for some believers.
Cloudy Water I’ll take the compliment.
Everyone who criticizes, points out strange stuff, or says there are contradictions is a hater and all of their points should be disregarded.
Thank you! My first time watching this and I love everything you have to say pls keep up this channel!
Thanks Mike! Your teaching has blessed me and my family greatly!
A Christian on Instagram told someone to watch you so I did instead! Bless you for everything
A+. You are a blessing my brother. Teaching was spot on.
Just wanted to thank you for this video series! I am currently witnessing to someone who does not believe the Bible to be truth! This is great stuff!
Thanks for all your work on this series. God bless.
Nothing would be more permanent than God just existing on Earth with us. The written word isn't permanent. God literally has nothing else to do but chill. He's all powerful/eternal/can do anything he wants without want. It's really a dorky argument so far that he doesn't just chill on Earth in some form at all times/forever. Christians need him to be gone to explain some of their lore. Wild argument.
If the bible god were real, I seriously doubt christians would have invented the entire field of apologetics to try and explain away all of the issues. This should really be a LOT easier than it appears to be.
Skeptic here, so I like the fact that you are demanding a very high level of the effectiveness of prophecy before you accept that something is God's word: "if a prophecy by someone is not true then his prophecy does not come from God?"
Based on your assumptions, this was a gentle introduction which dealt with the low hanging fruit. The dates of JW and Mormon prophecies are quite specific and easy to date. Hence, they are easy to falsify. I'll be looking at a few things as I go through this series.
1. How do you date the prophecies and show/argue that the prophecy was later fulfilled?
2. How do you rule out self-fulfilling prophecy (e.g. as you said if someone made a "prophecy" about your life, you wouldn't do anything to make it become true, since this is a form of self-fulfilling prophecy)?
3. If all the prophecies of a prophet should be true, how do you/we know that you have addressed all his prophecies? (actually, I wouldn't be so strict on this point just a few clearly fulfilled prophecies would make an impact on me).
4. I hope you give some examples of what you mean by "fulfilled prophecy supports prophecy that has not been fullfilled yet".
I think I do address a lot of the issues you bring up in this series and I am looking forward to your thoughts.
There are reasons to strongly suspect the gospels were written in part to fulfill old prophesies for credibility. So you have to assume the gospels are true as evidence that they are true. Obvious circular reasoning
Thank you! Pastor Mike, God Bless you!
@Mike Winger I Love this SERIES! I wish there were a more updated version for some of the audio issues in other videos! *Hint Hint *Wink Wink ;)
Jesus said, "And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.” This already happened.
Matthew 16:28
And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”
Mark 9:1
Jesus went on to say, “I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Kingdom of God arrive in great power!”
Luke 9:27
I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Kingdom of God.”
Hi Cinnemon. All three of these verses are followed immediatly by the account of the transfiguration, which has nothing to do with Jesus second coming.
Love your teaching!
I was wondering if some one could point out the Bible passages that specify that if a prophet gets one prophecy wrong they are entirely false. I have been taking with Mormons, and would like to be able to point directly to scripture. I have seen Deuteronomy 18:20-22, where it states that a prophet who claims a prophecy from God and gets it wrong should be killed, but it doesn't state clearly that all of there other prophecies we're wrong. Or if that is what the passages is saying please help me to see that as well!
like the series.....but..........where is the full playlist...all the different parts ?
God bless you Mike.
Remember the rich man and Lazarus in Jesus’s parable? The rich man died and opened his eyes in flames of torment. He saw Abraham across the divide (before Christ’s sacrifice men could not enter heaven) and asked that he could be sent back to warn his brothers. And Abraham said, they have the prophets. If they won’t believe the prophets they won’t believe, even if they were to see a man raised from the dead. Evidence is not the issue. It never has been. The issue is the heart of those who don’t want to submit themselves to God’s authority.
I’ve watched 5 videos on Evidence for the Bible, parts 1-5. Wow! There is SO much information! You have made this Truth from God’s Word interesting, engaging, and more easily understood. But, I still struggle. I am not great with knowing history so I struggle knowing how I could prepare to even have a conversation about the authority of God’s Word with someone. Of the information you’ve presented, do you have any suggestions of details I could continue to review so I can grow in this area? Thanks for your hard work in getting these together over 8 years ago, God is still using them!
Loving this so far🙏🏻
“Why should we turn to someone other than historians or scientists, the experts in their related fields of research, for answers related to history or science? Apologists are just there to take advantage of you, telling you what you want to hear when the evidence tells you otherwise. The sheer existence of apologists is reason alone to raise suspicion. Their dishonesty is blatant when you simply double check what they say. In the end, historians and scientists are not just one big conspiracy against Jesus, the Bible is simply wrong about most things.”
-Joseph R. Hanson
I’m not a believer. But it’s not because I demand proof for every tiny detail of everything said. It’s because looking at the big picture, it makes way more sense to me that there are natural explanations for much of nature and how incredible complexity can emerge naturally. It makes more sense that religions are a natural product of human culture and are not based on anything real besides evolved human nature. It’s not that I like not believing or even choose it. I just don’t have the capacity for believing what sounds and feels like nonsense to me. And I suspect most people believe not out of rational thought but out of fear of mortality, or brainwashing from childhood ( which is why religions for the most respect geography. Many believe what you grow up with.
Just listen to the Richard carriers, Carl Sagans, chris hitchens etc for balance unless you want to just accept without critical thought. Morality sucks but I care about truth too much.
I meant mortality sucks.
You say you dont have the capacity of believing. Please pray to God for forgivness for not believing in him. You hate your creator in your heart. You know you hate him. You (including the whole world) deserve hell, eternal punishment from God. Turn to Jesus, he is the only one who can save you.
Thank you and God bless
2:18 do you have some kind of statistical study that supports this claim?
Ohh my! I just loled at Travis chanting. He's done that to me too!!
1:16 Human beings don’t need a god in order to have morals. Moreover, the many different denominations of Christianity have differing views on morality, meaning those viewpoints could not have come from the perfect word of God, since the perfect word would not be open for differing interpretations. Furthermore, if God were disproven tomorrow, are you telling me you would start treating people immorally?
I shutter 😱 to think if there was proof that God did not exist how people would act. Yes, you have a few nonbelievers who are "moral" in this life but we all will face Him later whether you believe He exists or not. The question could be will morals stand up in the presence of God? 🤔
@@garlicgirl3149 If your belief in God is what keeps you acting morally, and you think you would start acting otherwise, up to and including directly harming other people, if you stopped believing in God, then PLEASE keep believing. However, I have more faith in humanity than that. I have more faith in YOUR humanity than that.
@@jimurban5367 Why do you have faith in humanity? When I turn on the news it is filled with murder, hate, greed, lust, etc. Within my own heart I know that, according to God's standards, i am not good. None of us are really but we love to create our own standards that allows us to be self-righteous while also saying others are wrong? Are you an atheist? What is the foundation for your morals? If you believe that we "ought" do certain things, how do you come to those conclusions? If you operate on a human flourishing/human suffering paradigm, does that not lead to morality based on a "majority rules" framework (since morals would just change based on whether humans are flourishing or suffering)?
@@jimurban5367 now, if I became an atheist, I wouldn’t go around hurting people not at all but answer this question. What makes this moral and immoral?
@@JB-if1cx Lot's of questions to respond to, so I will parse them out here.
Q: Why do you have faith in humanity?
A: You know, you make some good points. I'm not sure I actually do have faith in humanity. I need to reevaluate what I was thinking when I made that statement.
Q: Are you an atheist?
A: I am not convinced that a god exists, nor do I go about my day-to-day life under the assumption that one does. If I had to put a label on myself, I would say I am an agnostic atheist.
Q: What is the foundation for your morals?
A: Well-being.
Q: If you believe that we "ought" do certain things, how do you come to those conclusions?
A: It's hard to give a black-and-white answer, but if I had to, it would be something like this. If something increases well-being, then it ought to be done. If something decreases well-being, then it ought not to be done.
Q: If you operate on a human flourishing/human suffering paradigm, does that not lead to morality based on a "majority rules" framework (since morals would just change based on whether humans are flourishing or suffering)?
A: This flourishing/suffering paradigm you propose seems to be a lot like what I am saying about well-being (if I'm wrong, let me know). That said, I'm not sure that it follows that a majority rules scenario, where say 75% of a population is flourishing and 25% is suffering, falls in line with this. If 25% of the population is suffering, then there are plenty of things that ought to be done to increase well-being. Perhaps if we could talk about a concrete example, it may lead to a more fruitful discussion.
My question for you: It seems that you operate under the assumption that (1) there is a god, (2) that god has set forth objective morality, and (3) humans can or should know what constitutes this god's objective morality. How can you be certain that what you interpret as this god's objective moral standards is not clouded by, if not outright equivalent with, your own subjective judgement?
This guy is on my short list of very solid Christian apologists: Jacob Prasch, Roger Oakland, Dave Hunt (deceased), Mike Winger, Jan Markel, Carly Matrisciana (deceased), Johanna Michelson. A few have passed away, but there TH-cam videos mean their ministry continues just as Mike's will long after he is gone!
Brother Andrew Look up Lee Strobel... he’s great too.
If anybody sees this Lee strobel made a great book and movie called Case for Christ about an atheist journalist trying to objectively investigate Jesus’ resurrection. Very good, I saw the movie and a testimony from a former atheist who said the book helped to convert him.
Winger is a real stand up minister that actively studies and utilizes a defense of various biblical truths. Still, I must say that having read Nostradamus years ago, some of his prophecies appear to have substance to them and considering the type of symbolism he was known to use with the ones that can be basically understood, he had warned of many things and had an interesting track record. So I think he was likely legit as one of the few more modern prophets. Don't let the door open too far, but it pays to have an open mind in certain areas.
Still watching this series in January 2023!
5:20 Speaking via writing is not a very reliable way. Just think about the disagreements in meaning of the various English translations of the Bible. These are compounded all the more over time as a language’s meanings change, and compounded even more when translated between entirely different languages. The best part: God could have avoided the translation miscommunications by not causing language confusion in the first place with the Tower of Babble story.
thanks xexxar
God could physically manifest and tell somebody to their face that the word is from Him. After all, he is all powerful and he did manifest in physical form at times in the Old Testament.
This is so useful! Thanks so much for putting in all the hours to bring this to us!
1:40 "or another way to put it is the argument from common sense"
Not quite, Mike - to be more precise, it's called the "argument from ignorance" and it's a logical fallacy. The moral argument and argument from design both rest on this mistake, in that they both ultimately conclude "I don't know how x is the way it is, therefore God did it".
I think you’ve mislabeled them. They are an argument to the best explanation. But that’s certainly not an argument from ignorance. I know this could sound condescending and I really worry that it can come off that way. So please hear me graciously, if you will. To call the moral argument or argument from design an argument from ignorance is to be very unaware of either the nature of the arguments or the nature of the fallacy.
I don’t think professional atheist philosophers would even agree with you.
@@MikeWinger I guess at that point the question is on what basis would you say this is the best explanation? Because, at least for my money, every single time I've heard this argument it's always come down to some version of "we can't explain it, so it must be from a god", with no qualifying steps to get to that point.
But I realize that then I'm essentially asking you to give the full argument here, and I can appreciate that a TH-cam comment section is far from the best place to do that.
I really love this evidence
I LOVE YOU PASTOR MIKE!!! ❤❤❤❤
Ironically I think the principle applied here (that we can know who speaks for God because it's truth) can be applied to Catholic confession, or more specifically Catholic Priest absolution!
Some in the Catholic Church sort of believe the Priest forgives, but mainstream or official teaching is that the Priest only declares God's forgiveness based on passages like John 20:23 "If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." The problem here is that God does not forgive if someone is unrepentant and, therefore, if a Priest acting for God declares forgiveness of sin, then the confessor must be repentant else the Priest is not acting for God. I've spoken to many Catholics and Catholic Priests on this, and whilst they admit it must happen (that the confessor isn't repentant) they don't see a problem with the teaching (that a Priest is declaring God's forgiveness). Yet they also admit that they have not known a Priest declare unforgiveness which is also part of John 20.
My question is why does God need to communicate through a book ? Why not directly to the creation itself ? Serious question.
Probably because we are Subjective and change. Words don't. He also came to creation in human history.
"Except for thomas jefferson, he wad a nutjob" got me so hard haha
Nostradamus got a few right... so did Edgar Cayce. Nostradamus predicted the death of Henry II "The young lion will overcome the older one,
On the field of combat in a single battle;
He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death." (Century 1, Quatrain 35)
"The year was 1559. Nostradamus' predictions were ignored by Henry II, and the latter took part in a jousting tournament against Comte de Montgomery (six years younger than Henry II). Both of them had shields which was embossed with the lion. During the final fight, Montgomery's lance, which he failed to lower at the right time, shattered. A piece of it went through the King's gilded visor (Golden cage), which resulted in two wounds, as per Nostradamus' predictions; one spliced his eye, while the other pierced his temple, just behind his eye. His brain was penetrated by both the splinters. For 10 days, the King underwent intolerable pain, and then died a cruel death. So, one of the great seer's predictions comes true".
I think they were aided by demonic entities in order to see the future or in Cayce's case to heal those who came to him. Nostradamus was cryptic to keep from being tried for heresy. But as you pointed out, neither of them had a 100 percent track record. Nostradamus was just above average in just guessing stuff. Cayce, however, was something else entirely. He could sleep on his text books and absorb the material. He was called the sleeping prophet because he would go under hypnosis and channel some entity that was able to diagnose illnesses no matter where the subject was in relation to Cayce. He was always right. They have an entire research institute where they archived all his readings.The only time he wasn't right was when he said Atlantis would have risen by now. Still not 100 percent. I would LOVE to know why a demonic entity would do so much good through Edgar Cayce, perhaps just to keep a Godly man separated from God through the divination? Would it be worth it to Satan to help all those folks in order to claim one soul? My bigger question is, what if Cayce didn't realize that the Bible forbade any kind of psychic dealings? Would he still be condemned to hell? Which leads to a bigger question.. if people are only responsible to worship the parts of God which they instinctively know exist and respect even if they never heard the gospel, would it not be better to leave them ignorant and therefore acceptable to enter heaven? I'm sure I have something mixed up. Help me unmix, please? lol
God
Is you you are God love is kindness kindness is what you are
2:51 "Who is this god=What does he want from me?", but out of the blue, at 2:56 he says "Because I'm accountable to him.". How so?
Because if there is a God then it means he created you he is your maker and.. Well, GOD. if you dont get it then you probably show little if any respect towards others especially authority figures.. Btw showing respect is way more mature, makes you look like 1000x a bettet person, shows that you are tough with a strong mind (disrespect usually means weak minded person)
I'm hoping for your rebuttal against Digital Hamurabi's critique of your Part 2 video on Ezekiel's prophecy of Tyre, I would like to share your rebuttal with my grandson. Thank you, Mike
Could you please do a video about the council of nesea
God wrought; christ brought; the holy spirit taught.
I think one would say...that just reading these comments is, of itself....a study....
Thank you for this useful series! Will there be follow-up? At the end of the video you mentioned topics that you didn't cover in these 20 videos.
Ignorance and sin are the only reasons why someone would reject Bible as the inspired Word of God.
In Matthew 24, I'm fairly certain Jesus was talking about that generation specifically. I'm open to having my mind changed on this, but I think the text makes it very clear that those things will happen in that generation. And they did.
Which episode has the scientific foreknowledge? I have made it through most of them and haven’t found it.
I’m curious also? I thank God for you and your team!
Just finished the first video of the series: AND WE BEGIN! :) :) :) :)
A lot of the Pentecost think that is talking about our generation. Jesus was talking about temple being destroyed and it was to finish making the end of sacrifices in the temple. What Jesus did was finish his work at cross, but they were holding to sacrifices even though Jesus said it would cease. He had to make it cease by destroying the temple. The old covenant had offically ceased.
Hello Mike!
Thanks for the videos you're making to defend the Bible 😉.
I've a question,
do you know any book/s that does/do collect the most certain Bible prophecies and their historical fulfillment?
Thanks in advance.
It seems that you do a lot of research. What are your thoughts on Psalm 37:10 when it says that in a little while the wicked would not be. What happened to the fulfillment since the wicked are still here some 2400 years later? The same goes with Revelation chapter 22 where both God and Jesus say that they are coming soon? Soon seems to be a long time to me?
Does Daniel live up to the criteria for a true prophet laid out in Deuteronomy 18? Daniel 9:24 says that 70 weeks are decreed to put an end to sin, bring in everlasting righteousness and seal up vision and prophecy. Sin continues to this day, everlasting righteousness has not been brought and many prophecies have yet to be fulfilled.
The only part of Daniel 9:24 that Christians can point to as fulfilled is the part about atoning for wickedness, but that’s a completely unverifiable claim.
You are correct, everlasting righteousness has not occurred, it is still future. If you research this you will find that 69 sevens were to the coming of Messiah. The final seven year period, the tribulation, has not happened yet. The Messiah was not accepted when he came at the 69th seven year period.
The 69 seven year periods (483 years) is somewhat complicated because the years are prophesied in 30 day months, 360 day years. We know now that a year is approximately 365.25 days. Some have gone into great detail reconciling what these 483 years translates into in 365 day years and apparently it comes to April 32 AD.
The 70th seven year period (Daniel 9:27) begins when the seven year peace treaty with Israel comes into being which is still future. The Temple in Jerusalem has not been built yet.
In the middle of the final seven year period, the final tribulation period, the Anti-Christ sits in the Temple of God equating himself with God. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. What Temple? It has not been built yet even though it is clear that it could literally be built at any time. Without a peace treaty would it be built? When Trump was President it appeared that there was nearly such a peace treaty with Israel and the Middle Eastern countries, close. A foreshadowing? I don't know. It was quite a surprise to me. But that is what is prophesied in Daniel 9:27, more specifically a seven year covenant.
Paul make it clear in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 that Jesus the Christ, the Messiah, will not return until after the two events in that chapter which have not happened yet. Paul is obviously talking about a time when the temple in Jerusalem has been rebuilt. There hasn't been a temple since it was utterly destroyed in 70 AD.
You can find the truth, but you have to seek it out.
The ultimate fulfillment of the 70 sevens is the return of Christ, the second and final coming of Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Consider the prediction of the Two Witnesses that talks about the world seeing their dead bodies that lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. That wasn't possible until the 20th century. Something to consider. Some prophecies will not become clear until the times of the prophecies are near. It took over 1,800 years for this point of this prophecy to become clear.
@@chad969 Consider Daniel 9:26. The end of the first 69 seven year periods when the Messiah was to come and be cut-off. If you want the truth you can't just read 9:24. First of all you have to read 9:24 through 9:27, obviously. And then consider, as the Bible is really one overall message, you would have to read and comprehend other passages throughout the Bible. When Jesus came he filled in some of the blanks, so to speak as did his disciples that were entrusted to write the New Testament.
Now we are living in times that seem to be bringing together of a one-world government divided into 10 regions. If you consider what has been unfolding in front of the entire word's eyes for the past two years. Nothing like this has happened world-wide in history.
@@robertbrown6879 Hello and thank you for commenting. I agree with you that one shouldn't just look at verse 24, but the whole prophecy within the context provided by Daniel. Where we're probably going to disagree is that I think in order for a prediction/prophecy to have evidential value, at a bare minimum it has to be clear enough to be understood prior to its purported fulfillment. That's the only way it could be falsifiable, and Deuteronomy 18 assumes that prophecies are supposed to be falsifiable in principle. The more ambiguous a prediction is, the more ways it could be interpreted. The more ways it could interpreted, the greater the number of events that could qualify as a fulfillment. The greater the number of events that could qualify as a fulfillment, the higher the probability that one of those evens will be seen as a fulfillment, even if that event doesn't correspond to what the author of the prophecy actually intended to convey.
As an analogy, imagine if I were to predict that seven and three years from 2020, the empire state building will be destroyed. Ten years go by and you say, "Hey Chad, the empire state building is still standing. I guess your prediction didn't come true." Then I respond, "Actually no, it's not a false prediction because I never said the seven and three years were consecutive. There's actually an indeterminate gap of time between the seven years and the three years." At that point you would be completely justified in saying, "well you should have made that clear when you gave the prediction in the first place". And do you see how introducing that unspecified gap of time between the 3 and 7 years renders the prophecy completely unfalsifiable and unimpressive? If the Empire state building were destroyed in the year 2040, It would be entirely trivial for me to then say. "Look, my prediction came true", because the indeterminate gap opens the prophecy up to being "fulfilled" at literally any time following the 10 year period.
Now going back to Daniel, If you were an ancient Israelite reading Daniel 9:24-27 prior to the first century, would you think that the seven and sixty two weeks are supposed to be consecutive? If so, why wouldn't you think that the 70 weeks are also supposed to be consecutive? Do you see any indication in the text of Daniel 9 that the 70th week is not supposed to immediately follow the previous 69 weeks?
@@chad969 Isn't the Bible one message, overall. The key I think is in Messiah being cut-off, the final tribulation period (Daniel, Mark 13, 2 Thes 2). I don't think it was possible for the nation of Israel to accept Jesus as the Messiah. Wasn't in the plan. Paul points this out in Romans 11:25 and elsewhere. If one were to understand all of scripture at one point in time, then he could truly know the complete message of the Bible. But I think the outline is simple.
The Messiah being cut-off and Israel being blind to the Messiah I think is the key. God's plan of salvation for the Gentiles rests on this. Plus we know that the final tribulation period mention in Daniel 9, and Mark 13, and 2nd Thessalonians 2 all read in context makes it clear. The final 7 year tribulation period has not happened. The covenant or peace treaty with Israel hasn't happened. The temple in Jerusalem has not been rebuilt although it is apparent it literally could be rebuilt at any time, if the circumstances are right.
Trump surprised me when it appeared he was negotiating a peace treaty with Israel and various middle east nations. Didn't happen.
The events of the past two years, the consolidation of power amongst nearly all of the nations of the world, this need to "vaccinate" 7 billion people come hell or high water. All of this seems to be leading up to a very near one world order with ten regions?
Mike W.,
Can you put all 20 videos into a playlist on your channel? These videos are buried in the middle of your channel; and most people will never see them without a separate listing as a Created Playlist.
I hope you will make them easier to find; they are worth watching.
So good. I'm starting again for my 2nd time.
Great video and series
Jesus said, "THIS generation shall not pass before . . ."
I'm aware of no Greek scholar arguing that Jesus might refer to any other generation than His, when He was living on earth. There is no way around this interpretation.
However, I once found an explanation arguing that a more accurate translation of the passage might be:
"This generation shall not pass before all of these BEGIN to happen."
which turned out to be true, because the first in the sequence of end-time events that Jesus was talking about was the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, which occurred within a generation since He told these things.
You are just rationalizing. Jesus can't be wrong because Jesus can't be wrong. Well, Jesus was wrong.
To explain the passage in question, you must add words to the very "inerrant(?)" text you are basing your belief on.
But the text says: Matt. 24:34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until **all these things take place**. So, if ALL these things did not take place before the generation of Jesus' hearers passed away, then his prophecy is wrong.
@@bobak5126 I agree entirely with you. The thing is that I don't understand Greek, and I found once on a website the above possible translation. And if it is the case that really the text in the Greek has such grammatical structure and tenses that the above translation is a possible correct translation, then the problem goes away.
Now, if the best Greek scholars unanimously agree that my suggested translation can't be correct, then it seems to me that there are only 2 reasonable alternatives:
1. I should become an atheist.
2. Mark, and subsequently the other gospels that use it as a source, misquoted Jesus in some way. It probably confused Jesus' answers to 2 questions asked by the disciples: "When will the temple be destroyed?" and "When will be the end of the world?" Jesus gave separate answers to those questions, but unfortunately, the gospel writer thought that Jesus must have been responding to both questions at once, thereby intermingling his statements.
The second alternative is not problematic to me, because I don't hold a doctrine of inerrancy, which is a very weird doctrine not founded in scripture nor church history anyway. I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that it's supremely authoritative in all matters for Christians, but not necessarily that it's perfect to its tiniest details. (Such an attitude wouldn't be a choice in Islam, since the Qur'an itself claims to be inerrant.)
I do affirm that no forged document made it into the Canon, and that no text is to be taken differently than it is intended to be by its writer. (Daniel the prophet wrote the book of Daniel. Paul wrote every letter in the Canon that claims to have been written by him. The book of Jonah is a historical account. Moses is not a mythical figure. Etc.)
I'm aware that most Christians take a third alternative, which is that the word of prophecy is interpreted wildly that it's no longer a prophecy and no longer means what it really means. It feels like a delusional attitude to me, so it's unacceptable to me.
@@bobak5126 Something that tends to unfold over time, a long period of time, is the understanding of what the Bible is telling us. It took nearly 1,900 years for anyone to possibly be able to understand how the entire world could see the Two Witnesses dead bodies in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 and 1/2 days before they are resurrected. Revelation was written near the end of the 1st Century. The Bible was not printed until the 1600's as I recall. The technology for the whole world to see the Two Witnesses dead bodies in Jerusalem wasn't in place until the 1900's. Say late 1900's. Think CSPAN.
Allah says in the Quran that if the Quran was not from god then there would be many contradictions found in the Quran:
Quran 4:82 - “the Quran? If it had been from other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.”
The following are a few of the contradictions found in the Quran:
Quran 3:3-4; 3:93; 6:92; 6:115; 18:27; 5:43; 5:46; 5:47; 5:65; 5:68; 10:94; 29:46 - all affirm the divine inspiration, preservation, and authority of Christian scriptures - and yet Quran 5:17; 5:72; 5:73; 5:75; 5:116; 4:157 say that Jesus is not God and that Jesus did not die on the cross, contradicting what the Christian scriptures say.
This contradiction is so significant that it has come to have its own name: ‘The Islamic Dilemma’.
Allah created man “out of a clot of blood” (Quran 96:2)
Allah created man “from water” (Quran 21:30)
Allah created man “from a small seed” (Quran 16:4)
Allah created man “from mud” (Quran 15:26)
Allah created man “out of nothing” (Quran 19:67)
It took Allah 6 days to create the universe (Quran 7:54)
It took Allah 8 days to create the universe (Quran 41:9-12)
Allah created the earth first - and then the heavens (Quran 2:29)
Allah created the heavens first - and then the earth (Quran 79:27-30)
7:02 If God know’s your own mind and your own heart, then God would know what it would take for proof to each person.
Not all men our meant to accept the truth. He has sufficient evidence for the people who are his and for others ,God himself could appear to them and they can't accept it
God bless you Mike
11:14 By this criteria, I could claim that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow and then be proclaimed a prophet. So I think you need additional criteria that the predicted event could not be predicted by any other rational means.
I haven't read all prophecy in the Bible most most of it seems like it's hyper-specific and not something that has a high chance of already happening, but yeah Mike should have been a little more specific
@@Smojo10 Except for the prophecies that aren’t hyper specific (Is. 7: 14), or the ones that are specific and don’t come true yet people still claim they came true by ascribing metaphor (Ps. 22), or the ones that were written in much later but pretended to be written earlier as to deceptively proclaim fulfilled prophesy (Daniel), or the ones that simply claimed something was done explicitly to fulfill prophesy (Matthew) despite it not being supported elsewhere, or the misses that people overlook (Tyre actually being rebuilt) in favor of the hits….
I think you care about the truth, I am a jw, would you be open to a discussion?
I would be
Why you say your a jew? Those stupid things make the world miserable. Only when the brainwashing of children stops and we help people in need we can have a world full of peace.
The only thing we are, are humans, when we going to speak like that there is hope.
He has live-stream now XD
@@bekijkjezelfhey he wants someone to address his issues....
Philia, so glad you saw this video, post your discussion question and check out the responses. If someone is unkind in their response, not speaking the truth in love, move on to the next response. Watch the rest of the series and some of the other videos from pastor Winger.
have all the prophets prophesied what if some of the prophets have not prophesied what is the proof that they are telling the truth?
If they have nothing to prophesy they're not much of a prophet!
Great prayer brother
Iv a strange question that I haven’t understood. Many years back before I found Jesus I visited a medium who could speak as other people and talked to the dead. She prophesied in great detail about what was to come in my life next, it was even down to he room and clothing people would have there and the exact words spoken. I tried every way to make it not happen but it all did exactly as she said. After listening to the proof of prophesy, can Satan’s bandits also have the power to see the future? It was defiantly not from god what I experienced there.
Hi Alex. I have also consulted mediums (with mixed results) but wouldn't now, and can't subscribe to such a thing. I think this consultation with the spirit world is gaining contact with something outside God's Kingdom (I know you would agree.) Did the event of fulfilment happen before or after you became a Christian? Ultimately God is in control of events, but if you were praying to God sincerely, I'd be surprised if he didn't allow the events to change.
I have heard some fallen angels are more "benevolent" than others, and I think that's possibly true. My understanding is that only God can see into the future, but the spirit realm is very perceptive and demonic spirits can help make things happen, in other words, they can fulfil their own predictions to some extent.
I believe the witch at Endor who contacted Samuel actually did contact Samuel, but God allowed that to happen. I also am reminded of Edgar Casey who was supposedly a Christian and made very accurate prophesies, but also made some weird predictions and thoughts and utterances about history. You have to think about the method. Edgar Casey did all that under a trance unconsciously, which is not what would happen under the Holy Spirit. Also, one false prophesy makes someone a false prophet and not called of by God.
@@matthew8054 the spirit was not Samuel, it's clear because he didn't say the truth. He said that Saul would have been with him in heaven, but that's not true. He was not Samuel even because the Bible says that no one can talk to death in many passages.
@@c12r16 The bible says Samuel spoke. Where was Samuel? Heaven or paradise or sheol? Samuel doesn't specify the place. It would probably have been understood he was resting somewhere in Sheol. - Also he mentions Saul's sons. Whatever could be said about Saul, Jonathan would surely go to the Lord. Anyway, this is a minor point from the points I was trying to make above.
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible."
Mark Twain
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@@JeremiahParker-hk7bs Fossil & DNA evidence shows evolution made man. Historical & behavioral studies show man made stuff like Yahweh, The God Of The Bible, Zeus, Allah, Romulus, Zalmoxis, Osiris, Santa Clause, Satan, angles, prophecies, tooth fairy, resurrection, walking on water, parting the Red Sea, splitting the moon, etc.
@@AtamMardes gotta love those reliable sources you cited there.
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The Bible is the claim, not the evidence, for The God Of The Bible. Gotta love those smart folks who believe the Bible is the evidence for The God Of The Bible. 🤣🤣
@@JeremiahParker-hk7bs The hoaxer Christian writers, who fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus, didn’t know that a sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was common back then - e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. The superstitious early folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of the Bible in their own image.