WHY Honda Is Now Less Reliable Than BMW (Really!)
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- It doesn't make sense to say it out loud, even after I've done all the research and after I've looked at these two car brands (Honda and BMW) and their reliability.
The fact is though, BMW reliability is in a very different place then it was just a few years ago and I'm seeing big changes going on still. Honda reliability is different too, and I'm going to show you why these two are much closer when we ask about things like worth, reliability, and I'm sure at some level car depreciation.
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I don't have much trust in consumer reports these days and considering you can get a Honda for much less I think I would take my chances with the Honda over a BMW.
I disagree, you can’t get a Honda that isn’t 9-10 years old for under $20k in most of California
@Herman Ostergard ok I was talking brand new and your still going to pay more for any BMW of equal year and mileage.
Totally agree.
I would take a BMW over Honda all things considered. Honda may have an edge on reliability but with the German you get quality, aesthetics, driving dynamics, power, etc
@@rayaany.4069 You also get with German cars, dangerous innovation. Look at carwow when they did a ev test. BMW cruise control several menus to activate it through a touchscreen. I mean on a motorway at 70 mph plus, what could go wrong. Dangerous and totally impractical. My FK8 one button sensible and functional.
Consumer Reports lost all credibility with putting BMW in the top 3. I can see Scotty Kilmer waving his hands around like a maniac 😂
Scotty Kilmer is a clown
Hahaha for sure. Scotty Kilmer be like "This is why you should never trust consumer reports" then proceed to badmouth BMW and say how he like his Celica GT4 more than anything else
@@whatdadogdoin7531 And how to you should get a 94' celica
BMW might be reliable now but keep in mind they require a lot of expensive maintenance to stay that way. Cost of ownership is really the metric that matters.
Care to elaborate on the “lot of expensive maintenance” love when people make stuff up when they don’t know what they’re talking about 😂
Depends what model . 330s all you need is an oil change , tire rotation basically your normal maintenance. Granted the oil change is 60 bucks more on the bmw but if that’s really a deal breaker do it yourself . I have a 2019 Acura and I wouldn’t trade it for the nazi vehicle but they aren’t as bad as people make em seem of atleast the 3 series aren’t reliability wise .
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@Mike G they charge more for parts and labor time.... what do you mean make things up? I do it for a living
Honestly when it comes to the consumer reports, you have to take it with a grain of salt. Honda’s are definitely still more reliable than BMW
Then why are the BMWs fine in 200k miles while the latest Honda breaks down there?
I had a 2014 Accord V6 with 180k miles which was flawless and drove like new until it was totaled. I have a 2016 CR-V bought brand new that has never once given me issues. Have also had my 2022 CR-V for over a year without any issues. Can’t say the same for everyone I know with Germans cars. They’re always in the shop with some issue or another, especially VW, Audi, and BMW.
You said the accord drove like new until it was totaled… lol so you basically crashed that thing is what you’re saying?
We own numerous Honda/Acura vehicles. The run like swiss watches, but our friend’s BMWs are always at the shop. They have the V8s and those things sound great, but leak oil like waterfalls & the turbos burn out.
Depends on the years, these late model ones are built much better, so I do believe it
I have had a 2008 328i until 2020 with very little issues, then traded it in and got a 2018 330i not one issue so far.
@@40nine99 my brother owned the turbo V8 BMWs… these things were cooking themselves to death.
@@MrSamPhoenix also depends on driving habits and maintenance
BMW v8 n63 are least reliable engines. Inline six is always the best engines in their line up. Newer bmw n63tu v8 are actually very reliable but that’s 2018-2022 models.
It would be interesting to add a column to the Consumer report chart listing percentage of vehicles sold by that maker that have turbos and percentage sold with CVTs
My family has owned every German brand. Now all switched to Japanese recently, never been happier. It was not a money issue, older I am getting less patience I have for the German cars little issues.
Yup, been there done that myself.. no thanks!!
Proud owner of a 2012 Civic and it’s the most RELIABLE car I’ve ever owned. 240k miles and the only issues have been front wheel bearing and valve cover replaced. I change fluids religiously according to the owners manual. But the new Hondas I question their reliability. I would buy the civic hatchback 2.0L with the manual.
Honda's newer CVTs and hybrids (if you can wait for the new Civic Hybrid) are reliable. It's just the 1.5t to avoid
@@Blank00 Trading in my current FK8 for the new E HEV in the UK. Had a test drive very impressed with performance, handling and comfort, also mpg between 55-65. Opted for the Advance.
its not the engine that is bad. its the quality control deficits and poorly made parts made in China including the door clickers and side mirrors. wiring also made in China. Plus service denying warranty repairs.
Idk how to tell you this but 2012 was 1.1 decades ago
The K20C2 2liter with a 6 speed manual is hard to beat, But unfortunately everyone wants a CVT and turbo charged engine, I don't like this trend it's STUPIDITY at its finest. Yes I own many Honda's No CVT no Turbo.....
I have a 2008 Honda Civic Ex. At 136000 Miles the Engine Overheated from Cracked Engine Block. Honda Fixed it at No Cost. They swapped out the Engine Block and now the Car runs like new again. They have great Customer service and they know how to take care of their customers resulting in a Large loyal customer base. What a Great company.
I have a 2018 Honda Accord Hybrid that I bought new. Currently I have over 260k miles on it. ZERO issues, not even one! My dad has a 2019 accord with 56k miles, just replaced a rear view camera, no other problems. Mom has 2019 Honda Passport, again zero issues.
Great video Mark! Great information that the car buying public may not be aware of yet. Also, you make a very good point in the end with the pizza analogy. 🍕
I'm not sure how much this explains anything but I know that Toyota was very unhappy with the quality of the engine which was going in the Supra and pretty much demanded BMW step it up, which apparently they did. Other than that, I personally don't put much trust in Consumer Report - let's just say their opinions are open to negotiation.
Well we don’t believe that bmw is more reliable than Honda
The only thing Honda is less reliable at than BMW is paying off whoever says that BMW is more reliable 😂
Lol 😂 this halirous 😂
Not today. A well maintained vehicle today will still fail. That’s how they’re made plus a lack of real QC on all vehicles coming off line. I don’t trust consumer reports or most ratings companies. Everyone is in it for themselves. The vehicles today are mostly garbage. They won’t last. The dealerships and car makers don’t care about the consumer. It’s all about profits only.
actually if you are a company you do not want too many big failures. thats why my Honda fails in all these little annoying ways!
The BMW B48 and B58 engine were the Goldie locks for BMW to rise up to #3.
Yes
B58 is a beast
got a b48! cheers
I love my B58!
They are.........the Bs knees!..........sorry I'll see myself out.
Never own a Honda unless it is a manual transmission with a non turbo engine.
All car companies have slipped in quality in their newest models.
You are right about having a lot of heat. I have a 2018 Honda accord sport 1.5 and everytime I drive then I open my hood after, it’s super hot
Much more heat generated indeed
I applaud the thumbnail creativity, and the ballsy title of the video....Almost Scotty Kilmer levels of intrigue and creativity. 🤣
Thanks for the Vid and keep putting them out there. People will claim their opinionated but who cares. Videos should at the very least serve the people that already own them and help with message to maintain them. God I wish my Honda 2.0 had the manual gearbox. I was looking for one in 21 but they were all gone
Your car should be fine. Honda's CVTs are more reliable than what Honda made initially in 2014
Honda has been slacking for the last 10 years. They underestimate their competitors. Poorly designed. No hybrid.
That’s true, Toyota and Lexus have it figured out
Who told you Honda doesn't sell hybrids? The CR-V has a hybrid. So does the Accord and the Civic.
I would never trust a BMW lol rolling money pits.
Mark, interesting breakdown of the Honda’s weakness and upsides ❤🇨🇦
Thank you so much. Yes overall a stout little car but like many brands, there are those odd weaknesses
I have an Aunt wth a 2019 Honda Accord and an Aunt with a CRV and both CVT transmissions have been rock solid. Still you must service a CVT more often than anything else. I recommend CVT owners to service every 25k-30k because I have seen how bad the fluid gets in just 20k miles. You might be ok with 40-45k but I would not risk it if I were a CVT owner. I can say my cousin's Nissan Maxima has 245k on the original CVT and he has serviced it every 30k miles. He does it himself because its cheap and not hard to do. Even if you take it to the dealer and pay the $200-$250 service fee every 30k miles it is cheaper than replacing the transmission and the hassles of not having your car during replacement or being stranded and paying for towing fees etc. Just service them often and you will be fine with them.
Service the transmission fluid every 30k?
@@isaimena40 For CVT transmissions YES! Search Car Wizard CVT and watch his video on the subject. If I owned a car with a CVT I would do it every 20 thousand miles instead of 30. Most people will not make the time to do it that soon so 30k is better than no service. Any farther you risk failure and will shell out money for a Tow Truck and pay 5-6 thousand dollars for a new transmission. For Nissan and Subaru especially! Honda and Toyota have better CVT's, but I would not risk it even for them. Service it now and save yourself head ache later. For traditional Automatics 40k-50k is acceptible, but the sooner the better.
replace cvt oil of honda is easier than motor oil, just drain and refill!
As a current Honda owner, and someone who has owned about a dozen of them over the past 35+ years, I'm afraid you are correct. Later this year I will buy a Toyota with No turbo, No hybrid and No CVT.
Was right where you are at. Owned 9 Hondas, and purchased my first toyota and now I won't touch a Honda
All Toyota use CVT, amof, most all cars are except for manuals. Toyota has paint issues. Honda fixed most of the problem, but good you.
To be fair, Honda's hybrids ajd CVTs are reliable. It's just the 1.5t that's causing problems to their current lineup. You can comment on a hondamobilemechanic video, asking for his thoughts on Honda's CVTs and hybrids.
You make a good point, however I recently bought a 21 Corolla less then 30k miles. With CVT, what i know that Toyota CVTs more reliable then any other CVTs manufacturer. I shouldn’t be concerned about right like way later down the road. I mean it’s not like a Nissan CVTs.
@tatialo37 I am afraid that you have incorrect information, I own a 2021 RAV 4 and it has an 8 speed old school transmission. So does the Camry as it has the same drive train. I am talking internal combustion engine vehicles. The hybrid have a form of cvt but they are not the same as they use planetary gears (I think) to regenerate some energy for the batteries. Look it up online yourself and you will see many Toyota/Lexus vehicles still have regular automatic transmissions. Good luck!
Mazda is gonna come up to the top of that list real soon if they keep up the quality they are bringing to the market.
They are making some great cars that are durable and and interesting
@@ECPP can you show me what model ? tks
@@thachthuc1135 Any model 2013 and up without the turbo.
I just bought a Mazda cx-50 yesterday. Amazing vehicle and fun to drive
@@timothygibney159 got a 2023 cx5 carbon edition s week ago. Really happy with the purchase but wish I could of got the turbo version.
I have 4 friend with bmw 3 and 5 series the turbo charger has gone on each between 80,000 to 90,000 miles is that reliability?
I bought 2 2015 Civics brand new. They both have CVTs. I love them. Absolutely love them. For the limited hp of the car, the CVTs make up the difference. The MPGs are ridiculously low. And the cruise is fantastic in the Tennessee hills. My automatics never had the power and smoothness of the CVTs in 4 cylinders. The V6's could start to stall as well, but the CVT just powers through. I have learned to take them to the dealer for oil replacement as it doesn't work the same as a multi-speed transmission. They only have 80k on them, but after 7 years, we have decided to bite the bullet and run them in to the 6 digits. I guess we will see. A new CVT is still thousands less than a replacement used Honda. Still, though, I never thought I would enjoy a car as much as I do, but this Civic has done marvelously. The Plymouth Neon competed, but the Civic's CVT just outclasses the best the 2 Liter / Auto from Mopar (however, the Neon at 70 mph was unstoppable, but the Civic will run any speed)
Overall great cars and still a pretty safe bet. I would still always say go with manual and try anything but the 1.5
Fuel economy is low?
@David Anderson haha! dang, i totally spaced on that. I meant fuel consumption, but used MPG and spaced on the fact that they were reversed measures. Anyway, a trip across Missouri averaged 40.1 mpg, so low or high, i was impressed
The 2015 Honda Civic was the last time it was rated more reliable than Toyota Corolla by Consumer Reports. Since 2016 and today still, Toyota Corolla is the go-to vehicle now, and then Mazda 3 next. Honda Civic has slipped to 3rd most-reliable now, down from ranked #1 in 2015.
The MPG's are ridiculously low?
Sorry but I can't take Consumers report seriously. A BMW will never be more reliable than a Honda. Every BMW owner I know is having reliability issues with their cars.
Keep the recirc button turned on in the hvac controls. There is an actuator that opens a fresh air door under the windshield that is very large and can allow mice to get into the cabin.
Honda been putting turbos in Acura for years never had a lot of problems
Consumer Reports is a joke. And BMW doesn't even compete with Honda! "Oh honey, that Civic we were going to buy? Well, it turns out CR has proof that a BMW is more reliable so we'll just have to spend the extra $15 -$20K for a 3 series!" LOL
Hondas 1.5 Turbo engine and CVT transmissions will be the death of this company. Traded in my '21 Accord for a '22 Camry. Couldn't be happier.
Great move
My 2018 Civic EXT (10th gen) with the 1.5 liter turbo CVT, (bought new), currently has 140,300 trouble-free miles averaging 36.1 mpg (combined). So far, this is the best vehicle I’ve ever owned for reliability. I hope to get at least 300,000 miles without major repair to the engine, transmission, or turbo.
Hopefully it goes as expected
You obviously never owned a Toyota. If you think Honda is reliable...wait until you try Toyota.
@@COSMACELF1802 100% agree im a toyota person. always have been, always will be. i switched after owning an acura TL for years before replacing with a lexus, and i questioned myself why i didnt do it sooner
@@COSMACELF1802 The 2015 Honda Civic was the last time it was rated more reliable than Toyota Corolla by Consumer Reports. Since 2016 and today still, Toyota Corolla is the go-to vehicle now, and then Mazda 3 next. Honda Civic has slipped to 3rd most-reliable now, down from ranked #1 in 2015.
These consumers even lying about chrysler/dodge being the most dependable cars on the road
I have a 2018 bmw 540 with the B58. 75k miles and no issues. It’s a blast to drive.
The 2010-13 (and most 2009s) civics were bulletproof. The 2018-19s with the 2.0 are really good as well. Covid kind of screwed the 2020 and 21s. The 2022s have a lot of quality control problems.
I agree the older cars are solid but that’s the issues many newer models are nicer and more powerful but come with some quality concerns
It's not about making cars reliable anymore, it's about control, companies purposely screw you over into making their cars as comfortable and unreliable as possible so you would have no choice but to pay for another car much sooner, but I find that marketing tactic stupid because in that situation, you're just wasting materials, and the fact you're selling it for a price of 35K for a base model, it's just ridiculous! The amount of features these cars get is just unnecessary, and also the fact that consumers buy these just blows my mind. It's about status, apparently the more expensive your car is, the better your outlook on others. (Which is false because it just shows that you got scammed into a horrible deal and you look like an idiot for not doing your research on the car, and a douchebag for not taking care of it.)
I still have my 2008 Civic, stickshift. Powertrain is bulletproof but I'm on my third paint job and second air conditioner, which has had to have been repaired eight times total. Outside these trouble spots, great cars! 230k miles.
@@cckiller0053 I 100% agree with you. Glad that I got out of paying over $800/month (including insurance) for a brand new car. I put an order for a 2022 pearl white civic sport last year. Had to wait 3 months but the dealer didn't guarantee that I'll get the car even after waiting that long. So without options I waited for a few weeks figuring out what to do. I contacted my friends, co-workers about what should I do. They told me to cancel the order and get something used which is what I did. Couple more weeks later after cancelling the car, I went to my local used car dealer and outright bought a 05 Accord V6 for around $5500 which tbh was expensive but I needed a car asap so I went with it. Now I pay only the insurance every month. The money that I saved in the process will go towards repairs and maintenance. NGL I felt terrible after cancelling the new civic. I test drove it and it was fantastic. But not paying $800/month is what gives the peace of mind when I have to pay my other bills
@@whatdadogdoin7531 I would say this was done in the past as well, since companies were putting full market onto their cars, and then after about a few years, they no longer put the cars on market, so you rely on private sellers to buying a used car.
If you change the intercooler on the tenth gen it'll solve a lot of heat swamp issues that and proper maintenance. Still for being their first turbo charged engine its a good design that most people havent had an issue with
How about hondas software update for the 1.5 Turbos regarding the oil dilution? I believe it was done in 2020..I wonder if it helped.
Marginally from things I have seen and heard. This also incorporates advice on driving habits
@@ECPP Interesting..Because if this issue was actually mostly fixed, it would be awesome. Considering that the civic from 2019 and on offers a great package. (Spacious, good handling, quick, efficient, mostly reliable components and the list goes on..)
Love the vids!
Hi from Nevada. If you really want long term reliability I would stick with non turbo Toyotas and Lexus. Toyota and Lexus Hybrid vehicles are also really good. My comment is regarding new vehicles. I currently own and drive 3 vehicles. 2019 Lexus GX 460, 2021 BMW X3 2.0t, 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. Both the Lexus and Toyota is built in Japan and the build quality is really good. The BMW X3 is built in USA and so far no issues with all my vehicles. The Toyota RAV4 Hybrid has a eCVT transmission with planetary gears and Its one of the best in the business. Good video upload. 👍👍
but new Lexus have turbo 4 cylinder engines so there goes reliability nice job Lexus! FAIL!
I've got a 2018 CRv 1.5 turbo in a temperate climate (Melbourne Australia), and it dilutes like crazy. My last oil analysis was 9% by volume of petrol in the oil. The big problem with the engine is it takes a long time to warm to normal operating temperature and when shut down, the engine cools rapidly. Plus there is heaps of room around the engine in the CRv which means keeping it at operating temps in super cold climates and providing engine warmth to the cabin is problematic (If the Nth American AC software update done). It's a flawed design IMHO.
I'll believe it when I see it. Just saw a video about an Accord that clocked 1 million miles.
There are Many big mileage Hondas out there
How old is the Honda? This video is about newer models
I have owned a 96, 97, 98, 89, 99 and a 2012 civic. The current one is the 2012 I bought new. I have had to replace the breather tube between the air filter box and the throttle body, the window sills on the outside of the window, the clear coat paint has come off the car and the ECU that controls the steering. The electronic steering failure has become common across most of the honda brand. There are lots of reports of this problem. There is no backup system in place when the electric steering quits(unlike a fluid steering system). Hard to steer at any speed, extremely dangerous! The dealer wanted $3,600 just to start to fix it. That is after I had figured the parts that needed replaced. I was fortunate that could figure it out ant repe it myself. Still was about, $1000 when I was done. I also own a 1994 acura integra gs-r, one owner before me, I still consider it more reliable than the 2012. I will not be buying another honda from 2012 and up. Toyota is looking better all the time.
Honda's solution was to use anti rodent wiring tape. I use it on my Genesis G80 Sport
I had both my Tacoma and Tundra taped with Honda special tape. Rodents love Tohota as much as Honda. Another deterrent is using GUNK engine shampoo. Rodents don't like Petroleum based products and if you shampoo the engine once a year, stays nice and clean.
I work in a mechanic shop and I can tell you the only thing I have seen Hondas come in for is bearings and cats. BMWs on the other hand I see every other day and that’s not even the worst part, parts are nearly double the price on cars like bmws.
i would imagine the damn bearings were made in China just like many other parts in my Honda but they sure roll smooth. very low friction
If the Hondas made in Japan then they can be really reliable !
The 2020 Civic has a 0.2 9% failure rate
So right now, the top 5 most reliable brands are:
1. Toyota
2. Lexus
3. Mazda
4. Bavarian Motor Works
5. Honda
Consumer Reports junk. LMAO Hyundai and KIA with Repairpals and JD power is better
Also, Honda went to direct only injection. This can create carbon build up on the valves. Toyota uses a combination port/direct injection to eliminate the carbon problem.
I've been driving my 2012 Accord with no problem and have no plans to trade it. As long as I stay current on my oil changes and usual maintenance.
Reliability is different then longevity
Yes indeed
Yep that turbo is killing the hondas now
It is having a big impact
The 1.5 Turbo engines have lots of issues. I would only suggest getting the 2.0 turbo honda engine if you must have one.
Yep, lexus and Toyota is next
@@fakenews3676i already having a payment on a new car its Naturally aspirated.
I spoke to some BMW techs and none drive a BMW. The electronics in a BMW will kill you in repairs.
That’s true
This explains my jerky transmission in my 2020 accord 2.0t 10 speed transmission
I still believe Honda is more reliable than BMW!
Just took delivery of my 2019 HRV this week. Luckily, it's got less than 7,000 miles, so It'll last me awhile.
Bought a 2013 1.6 diesel ex with 92k on clock for 4.5k now has 130 k after 3 years not cost me a penny since iv owned it runs like a dream
I have a 2008 civic with the 1.8 ivtec and a stick shift here in australia. 230,000 kms and it doesnt burn any oil between oil changes. The newer 2016 ones have air conditioning compressor issues i do feel like honda quality has slipped somewhat.
As long as Toyota is up there, I'm good!😀☺
Solid cars for sure and Lexus too
I agree, went toyota from GM products about 12 years ago and have never looked back. With proper maintenance, they can practically run almost forever!
Toyota is not that reliable either
They will be coming down soon too. Just look at their new turbo engine in the landcruiser. As complicated as a audi bi turbo. Plus the use of plastic components for their engines is increasing
Naturally aspirated (non turbo) is the way to go! My 2003 VW with the VR6 motor has been my daily driver now for 20 years!
Your very fortunate. My friend owned a VW-Subaru dealership. He wouldn't sell me a VW.
@@davidanderson8469 It's 'hit or miss' with VW's. You have to know which engines are reliable. The 2nd gen VR6 24v is bulletproof. I got lucky.
How many miles?
@@tonycamaj4560 Approx 140K miles. Still though, going on 21 years this October! I only expected maybe 10.
I'm also still driving my V6 2003 Passat, like new but it only has 37K miles on it and is garage kept. After 20 years I'm finally tempted to get a new car, but I won't get anything for it so maybe I should just stick with it. It's served me well.
Bro ur reaching with this! Ain't no way in hell after a few little years BMW overall more reliable than Honda.
To be honest, usually I don’t trust consumer reports !! Anything can be faked ! However if you are looking for the truth then listen to a professional trusted mechanics for both brands !!
Oil dilution issues with Hondas are due to the direct injection system not atomizing/measuring fuel correctly under cold operation conditions. Toyota and other manufactures like Ford are starting to use dual injection systems. They utilize direct injection for high output warm engine conditions and then also use port injection for low speed operation and cold conditions. This atomizes/measures the fuel much better for various engine operating conditions. It also keeps intake valves clean from carbon buildup. It’s time for manufactures like Honda and GM to spend the money and to do it right and add dual injection systems
A bmw more reliable than a Honda you are kidding right I owned a Fk8 civic type R with a K20c1 turbo engine it’s very reliable never had a problem with it
He'a not kidding. It's becoming the truth since B48 and B58 engine came out. My 2018 330 with B48 engine just hit 250k miles without a single issue ever . Just regular maintenance. Do your research about this honestly. Honda and Acura will soon be the least reliable given what they've been gradually changing engine and transmission since 2016.
good to hear your results. the 2017 Type R had transmission shifting issues(grinding) as did my same year 1.5 but a better gear oil than the crappy Honda stuff fixed the issue for my 6MT
What you think of the old Honda Accord with the V6 J35 engine paired with a 6 speed automatic transmission?
Stay away from honda automatics. Buy one with a manual, but its almost impossible to find manual examples
@@fakenews3676 lol what?
Hondas auto tranny caused a lot of headaches in the late 90s to mid 2000s and since then it has been average
there is a particular VIN number on those civics that were notorious for transmission problems. Cant remember the letter of which one…maybe you know and can post.
Good channel
My dad had a 93 civic and had over half a million miles on it, only issue is he broke the knob on the heater so it was permanently stuck on, besides that thing ran perfect
For sure the older ones ran forever
No brakes,motor mounts,shocks,struts water pump replaced?
It's a boat(Canadian) time we got some thorough evaluations of cars. I don't trust Consumer Report's ratings for a second.
That’s where I come in to scrutinize all facts and compile the truth
I think the Honda turbos was a bad idea.
My 2014 Accord 4 cylinder 6 speed manual has had no repairs so far. Great vehicle.
Hi Mark, you re uploaded this video or re made it. Why? I know one commenter left a very strong comment. About you being a sales person. And your style of communication was pitch type. Or a biased pitch type for permoting. One brand over another.
Honda = Quality and Realibility
Not gonna lie, after the N20's and the N55's BMW's have been reliable AF, and the B series are even more reliable.
True the n20 and n54 and n47 and early n63 were all a hot mess
@ExoticCar PlayPlace The N54's are a blast, once you run in to $3,500 index 12 injector problems.
@@ECPP what bmw have n20 and n55?
As a former Honda owner this article is very accurate ..my Civic was a horrid car , and broke down all the time
What engine and generation?
@@ECPP 7th generation civic with vtec engine
@@billcoates941 I know what you mean, couldn't believe we blew a engine with less than 30k miles on the freeway. My coworker has had his since 03 and it has been great for him without any issues
@@SuperSmoovy the radiator busted ( plastic ) at 60k miles .Honda had cut costs so much on their cars to save money .I own a Toyota now and it has a metal timing chain and metal radiator
Civics don’t break down if u care of them, so I call BS.
Lexus had thas the same issue. I made an insurance claim on my 19' SC 350. a $5K repair to the wiring harness (which the entire engine has to be removed).
My year 2000 Integra Type-R is still going strong with zero engine or transmission issues. The only part i have to replace a few times is the car battery. But it was my bad, as i went on vacation and didn't put the battery on charger. I have since put it on solar charger and the battery has no issue since. I didn't put a supercharge nor turbo as i prefer to keep it reliable. I did put in Electric Water Pump EWP. It is the best mod in hindsight. Not only it keeps the engine running cool, the Removal of the parasitic drag on the drive train works exceptionally well with the high reving engine. Tons of pulling power and gets even better as the rpm increases. The parasitic drag from the fins within a water pump increases exponentially with increase of rpm. Without this drag, the Type R engine revs without being held back, it is way more responsive than the factory unit. Highly recommended upgrade. 😉👌
Yes, that's the good Honda's. But today's Honda's are built so cheap. Not the same as the good old days.
Only Toyota has kept the high standard for reliability.
just got a 23 civic sport touring automatic i’m gonna keep it all maintained and see how that works.
bmw always get oil leaks. still worth it for me. if you can afford it and appreciate the upgrade in cars then for it. otherwise buy japanese and drive with less headache.
I got a 2019 accord 2.0 6sp. Hopefully the 2.0t proves to be reliable. But the door locks have already failed around 35k when the warranty ran out which is a disappointment.
Yeah that is certainly unfortunate
I believe cost effectiveness should be considered more than reliability! Think of vehicles like service not an asset. Calculate the total cost of ownership from the time you own until breakdown or sold then, compare with other vehicles with same type if possible .
Reliability by miles misleading sometimes.
I hear ya, there is more to that
Honda jumped the shark just by even building a turbo motor in the first place. They always bragged about "natural aspirated" only and along comes the 1.5 turbo.
Honda has also overpriced their vehicles compared to Toyota which is as good or better than Honda.
Still that cold up Canada way? Woe baby! Turbos are one of auto maker's trump cards to reduce reliability and cause your engine to fail quick. Nice review.
Thank you very much and yes it’s still quite chilly here. Today it’s a high of minus 8 degrees C with a strong wind making it feel like -14
The last consumer report reliability survey moved BMW to 1st in overall reliability recently, i purchased the magazine that has that chart. Second is Subaru. Im surprised no one has talked about that yet. As a BMW owner so far the car has been very reliable so far 👍🏻
Absolutely!! 😊
X5M, 5 years, $10000+ to fix the engine and leaking from the roof.........reliability? LOL.
Give it time. It will fail after the factory warranty is up.
2015 535x drive with every option available. Flawless. No issues to date.
BMW depreciates 50% in four years,the highest out there.
I will never trust a BMW or any German car for reliability
A lot of what he's saying has been mentioned by Scotty Kilmer, sounds good.
Thanks
My Honda is much less expensive to maintain than my son's BMW and I can keep up on that maintainance and he unfortunately doesn't
That’s fair
In 2006 I got a new Honda Civic and 2 other guys from work that was when they switched body style , everyone of us the engine broke down first on one of my coworkers and only after 5 months then a year later the other coworker and after 3 years mine, the only good thing was Honda replaced them for free but the time it in the shop was another problem, after that experience I switched to Toyota and my coworkers did too over time
Thanks for the video . I had a bad experience with my 2001 Accord where Honda had to change the bad transmission twice . I vowed to never buy Honda again
Thanks for sharing
I think mazda is higher the list however they're still underrated it will sneak they way up soon
why is it some civics with 1.5 turbo and cvt have done big mileage with no issues???
Honda's 1.5T engines are blowing head gaskets like crazy .
Last year our in-laws bought a brand-new Odyssey. That van gave them so much trouble, they traded it in for a Sienna in less than 6 months. The power sliding doors would randomly stop moving while opening/closing and one door leaked when it rained, tailgate closing motor failed some 3 months into the ownership, and then there was the endless parade of "check engine" lights. Something bad is happening in Honda universe lately. Of course, Honda is still well ahead of GM in terms of reliability, but they clearly have some issues to work out.
Had n47T Beemer. Engine great chain was going LED front light needed replaced etc...noticed I was going to steelerships more...got rid at 85k. Great car but.... So got 133k km 2009 Honda CU2 2.4 Accord. Fuses....thats it.
BMW at number 3, above Honda and Mazda? No way in hell!
Believe it or not
@@ECPP not
I used to be a Honda shill. Owned 9, but I won't touch one now. I remember always wanting a turbocharged model from the factory, but what we got and what I imagined are 2 completely different things. These L15s are trash, and the reason I got a corolla.
100 percent agree
your ire is a little unjustified. The RDX had a turbo over 15 years ago. The 2.0T is a great engine. The 1.5 is so-so to be honest. I enjoy its pep but its very vibraty unlike previous K motors
@@jamesmedina2062 honda should've stuck with their Supreme NA engine building prowess. They are out of their element with these turbos. I'd say that all their NA engines of yesteryear were their best ever and the reason so many customers stuck with them. At least that's why i did. These new engines have no soul, and Honda is losing their identity.
@@SuperSmoovy I can't argue with that. NA engines can simply breath easier and if built to rev can then rev higher than this turbo stuff. The revving ties into their motorcycle heritage and lightweight valvetrain. What I hate is that port injection was simple and could get good economy while the DI stuff requires a different type of flow(tumble flow). You can build a 1.5 to take massive boost along with fuel but again, its not going to flow well and rev as quickly as a k20
Toyota Corolla also has CVT, is that reliable 🥹?
Better but still not great