NEW POSITION 4 TIER LIST Patch 7.36C - Best Heroes For Easy MMR! - Dota 2 Meta Guide
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Thank you Speed for taking the difficulty of heroes into account while making the tier list.
At my humble 5k Kotl 4 works just fine, just because it’s kinda broken with pos 3 caster Tiny and there is a billion of Spirit breaker sups in enemy draft
Thanks for the update!
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Day 41 of asking speed to play position 1 Io
why? pos 1 is crap rn
Pos 1 is shit and literally the easiest position. A bad pos 1 can get carried by the rest of the team if they are good
@@honeacad838 Counterpoint: It’s funny
Loving the new short and self-aware intros
you probably wont read this speed but i've been archon or 2k since dota 2 released its ranking system and ive been playing since dota 1 ive been play as a support my whole dota 2 life and i can finally say i've reached divine and can play with my immortal friends! thank you so much for all the videos and all the help! keeping a positive mindset helped alot too! i hope you help others achieve the same if not more you made my childhood self's dream come true!
did you climb the rank by solo or team? and how long you climb from archon to divine? its such a great achievement btw, congrats!
@@lexvord8531 Hi bro i've been technically climbing since 2017. ive played a mix of party and solo. but the most mmr i got was just this month where i jumped from legend 3 to ancient 5 when i accidentally recalibrated. i was shocked because i thought the maximum mmr it gives was around 500 mmr. but i jumped from 3.3k to 4.5k mmr :D then went divine from there
@@pao6644 what a long and unexpected journey you had there !, im playing pos 4 mostly but im lacking experience i guess, like what should i do next, what should i do at mid or late game, im still figuring out and adapting, i hope i can have great achievement like you too. im stuck at archon now haha
@@lexvord8531 just learn hero timings and communicate with the team even if they dont talk. you'll get there bro!
For me is just crazy to open this video and immediatly see Lion and Ezalor, the two heroes Im currently with the biggest W streak, of 6 an 9 matches, respectively, playing position 4..
Ngl im immortal now but back in the day u can carry games so ez on tusk in lower tiers if ur good at him and just go blink aghs. The idiots always show and it’s just a free pickoff so much of the game if u know where to position and how to use smokes and stuff. The hardest part is just getting blink aghs before u lose loool😂
Agree
he needs a farming spell as a support of a change to his kit where he doesnt have to hard commit with snow ball
@@sammovida1624you can shards + snowball waves to clear them once you have 15 talent for snowball damage with both spells maxed. You can also use both Tag Team or Drinking Buddies an allied creep to give yourself bonus damage to farm with
They go shadow blade now… it’s awful too play against especially when idiot teammates feed early game so your screwed bc he has a 15 min aghs
Bro i have 2000 games on hoodwink and I can confirm that she has never been so weak in her entire existence.
Yeah she went from broken to really good
What's her accent?
I stopped playing her when they remove the evasion on scurry and then the range of acorn shot. I was spamming willow and completely didnt know about the hoodwink facet.
big believer of bounty too, the through and through facet combined with his ult deals massive damage. when u track someone, try to throw the shuriken at any enemy unit behind your target. It will hit the target twice.
Only behind?
I recommend taking a look at Lina, her DPS Facet makes her quite strong. Been playing her for a while as pos4/5 and normally i easily win the trade with the Stun alone. People seem to really underestimate the DPS from the Spells combined with the Auto-Attacks.
Crazy how silencer doesn’t even exist anymore
Where is lich?
21:47 caveat, nyx mind flare one shots units with mana. Flagbearers, siege creeps and jungle creeps without mana are untargetable
where is abbadon?
On bounty hunter you failed to mention with the through and through facet can double apply to heros if the hero is between the initial target and bounty hunter
It's basically double shurriken when 6 hits
i had pick sven support twice, as a support sven its pretty good hero, but the problem is normaly your teammates dont know how to play having sven support in team so you will have a hard time to sycronize the play like when to go on enemy, when to retreat, but overall its good hero, like 1 spell giving aoe 240 physical damage block and aoe 6 armor (with shard) just try it, it is worth it, i try it twice and twice got the vice mvp (honorable mention or sumtin you name it)
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i can say that with NP nerfs he still good to play, the global presence is very impactful mostly in early games and then you can just buy atos or orchid then aura items/vessel
Lion in E tier is insane
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Undying is giving me free 500mmr lately as pos 3 till 5. I just focused on the facet zombie on using ulit. Another choice if you missed the tomb stone.
I disagrer with lion, rush his shard and he is so hard to deal with... In lane, his level 3 (level 2 mana burn) is so annoying.
I think Kotl pos 4 works fine with a bunch of offlaners. Not only is Tiny a good partner, but Mars, Tidehunter and CW are just other examples of really good pairings
Mars is just a shitty faceless.
skywrath build 1 nullt , mana boots , kaya or athos depends when u goot at stay alive kaya first 4 then atoiis 2 ... if team need catch atos first ect ppp.. sure ags shard into ... aghs
Why does it say tier list when there is no tier list..
Having phoenix in C tier is criminal. Slows attack speed, creates miss chance, massive AoE ult, heals and does % based damage on sun ray. My wr with phoenix the past month is close to 80%
Nyx can only kill creeps with mana; nyx can't one-shot flagbearer creeps
Sorry but playing position four I just shit on all those heroes playing at skywrath mage as a position 4
Hoodwink lover here
Bro, do u know the trick to instant stun? Casting bushwack and instant q which stuns them without any time to react.
@@shankarshrestha347It takes practice bro. You have to know the circumference of the lasso and you need the cast the acorn at the edge of it.
2nd>3rd>1st, this is the combo, I've tried it in demo. You need to practice it a lot because it's a hit or miss most of the time.
But that's in the old patch where Hoodwink's 3rd had a bonus cast range so I don't know if it works in the lates patch without the bonus cast range or you really need to get her Facet 1.
skywrath is so good hes very fun to play, very simple
Jakhiro and Ogre are not pos4 right now?
Enigma?
Damn man, not even Silencer is on this list. He got nerfed to the ground as a support
What about lina? I see nobody including it in the pos 4 pool but as a support main I have had quite a success with her with the DOT facet and I think its at least B tier.
Didnt mention Doom. I think he scales really well, farms super fast, can just build up tons of utility items for the team.
Lack of burst and catch, doesnt win trades in lane, no poke, no buffs. But hey, i agree doom 4 could be really good when ahead or against heal based lineup
@@raflyarafat4882 yeah the lack of catch is a problem
Facet 2 Veno is actually broken to the point I max wards at lvl 7-8
would buy gameleap subscription if you made videos about meepo
Offlane here - thanks now I'm going to get shitter Hoodwinks in my lane every game for the next month
Unironically, Flow Morphling should be on this list.
Bro where is ogre
"literally a billion damage"
Great Dota 2 knowledge, but more impressed by the muscles
Weaver on B tier is crazy
Yes, SP is the best, if you really wanna just farm mmr pick SP, very easy to play you only need lvl's that it… That is basically all the 4pos now, heroes that can get lvl's are way more important that heroes that can get items. I still like my Tusk and ES and Ench, (Rubik is busted vs magic) but those heroes are like Pudge or Mirana you know then, or you don't. Tree is also very good, but he is more 5, TBH I did not know about NYX and Sky kill illusion so, they look busted as well. AND ENY HERO that can carry Gleipnir readably, basically makes their cores HAVE TO (even heroes like Storm) go manta or use bkb. That's why he values HW for sure.
I can't help but feel Lion is extremely undervalues here
Where is ancient appration😮
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look good man
What happened to Omni bruh
I feel like Phoenix is kinda low. The hero feels busted with the free miss chance on all spells
phoenix is definitely higher. I dont play him but his dps in early game feels illegal
No CM?
According to dota pro tracker, his ratings are off.
Any jakiro?
Those arms are C-tier
speed personally i think you do the videos better when you are not wearing clothes but thats just me
DOTA is a well balanced game
i didn't expect that
probably the most balanced moba game tbh
Can u put subtitles to your video? I really love to watch your videos but my english is poor
Silencer?
Lich??
No morphgling?
Where's CM?
No way willow is in d tier
why are you looking so huge speed
Where is talking about clockwerk ?
16:30
Where's lich ?
The noxious plague facet on Veno is the strongest counterplay spell imo...I would put him above shaman, but I can see it being interchangeable because how complimentary shaman's kit is to offlaners that are topping the meta currently
ppl dont know where to put omniknight now days, that heroe is a mess
Lion E-tier?! He he, I have been getting 20+ stacks from ulti EZ in my Lion games recently. The "fist build" on Lion just makes it so easy to get stacks for your ulti, when then gives you crazy dmg on ult, hp pool and melee attack dmg. Lion A-tier if you know how to play lion! (on my rank = Archon)
I guess his tier list only applies to higher ranks
you had me until you said you are archon
@@israelmanuel8451 He he :) - What's your rank mate? :)
not really that high but a lot better than you
mirana for me is E need rework
Speed: makes a video with dark seer kotl.
and then doesnt mentin it even
where is warlock xd
That undying in the clip was pure trash
atlast,coz im still using my master/gm cm/ss and jak...
The dark willow nerf is so huge that completely broke me, i'm not even sure if i wanna still play dota...
what mmr
bracket are you in? i think dark willow is the best pos5 in the meta usually
had a hard time playing against it even when were winning
oi u cant one shot flag bearers
Where jakiro ☝️😢
Dark Seer what tier?
S or A tier but Dark seer is a offlaner
gaining mmr for what? it doesnt pay your bills and noone cares:) plus, the higher you get, the more you need to grind, focus, pick your best or the most meta heroes, all things that make your freetime and the games less fun. think about it and you will see, MMR grinding is for morons! :)
Weaver still
i spam undying 5900 to 6100 haahhaahah
Offlane pls
tuskar d,im suing you
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Please talk about clinkz stupid innate.. it's ridiculous.. buff my little boy like any other hero
Earth shaker is not a pos4, picking earth shaker as a pos4 is griefing.
Don't play this game. Valve is corrupt enough to intentionally put a smurf with a VAC ban on the enemy team every single game. Even in unranked. The game is unplayable. This is unrelated to gaining MMR or climbing. This is abuse you can't even play all day long. Last game I got Stomped by a Phantom Lancer with 13 lifetime DotA 2 matches. 13. I play 13 games in one sitting. Valve is corrupt and we should all punish them by stopping to play the game indefinitely.
first here xD
invoker players please make some noise!
MORPHLING??? im at a 80%wr over 16 games