Tekken 8 Spoiler Talk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Tekken 8 sees the conclusion to a story that's been building for thirty years... sort of... mostly. Well either way it left us with a lot to think about and a lot we need to talk about.
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Jin: So you wer protecting me this whole time?
Devil Jin: How else could you have survived getting shot in the head point blank by your Grandfather?
Jin: Fair point.
Devil Jin: Yeah, of course I'm good guy
Also Devil Jin: *destroys entire continent*
@@theoneslayer8560devil jin: Mostly
@@xenonthegigachadhedgehog8868Mostly peaceful
@@theoneslayer8560 devil jin is not a saviour or noble hero, he is just protecting his host
@@GavrielRosariowas he doing it cuz of jin dies he dies as well
I never thought of Jin as a “depressed character” but that “I want to live” hit so hard, like kid got shot in the head by his grandpa 20 years ago ofc he’s clinically depressed
I can definitely buy Jin at least having suicidal ideation.
It was in universe only a few years ago
Yeah it's a little bizarre to think that Tekken 3 is canonically 5 years before Tekken 8, when they were released 25 years apart from each other@@erdood3235
Jin’s depression was already present since Tekken 4, he set aside the Mishima style after being betrayed by Heihachi, then he’s father appears alongside the revelation of the devil gene. In Tekken 6 he’s depression hits a breaking point we’re he reveals that he wants to destroy the Mishima line and the devil gene, including himself and he tries to do so by sacrificing himself while fighting azazel. Also it’s not canon but the movie blood vengeance makes this evident because he states so and not only that he ask Xiaoyu the it could be her who finished him.
He also killed billions by starting WW3.
The final fight between Jin and Kazuya was incredible. The parts of jin busting out his different movesets from his trainings was absolutely brilliant.
so, basically, JIN FINISHED HIS STORY BEFORE CODY DOES!
Cody who?
@@PopoTCGwrestling joke
Ok that's funny
God tier comment 😂😂😂
Fucking hell 😂
Tekken 7 Jin: "EVERYTHING HAS BEEN RESOLVED OFFSCREEN."
Tekken 8 Jin: Oh shi---
End of Tekken 8 Jin: “EVERYTHING HAD BEEN RESOLVED AGAIN… ON SCREEN!”
Inevitable Tekken 9 Jin: “I THOUGHT I ENDED THIS DEVIL GENE NONSENSE!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN!!”
@@trevinodudei don't think that he'll be necessary surprised.
He did bring Reina in only because he was suspicious of her.
And he probably knows from his time as zaibatsu head that heihachi wanted to do genetic manipulations of the devil gean
Tekken 9 Asuka: AM I RELEVANT YET!?
Tekken 9 Lili: **laughs in French**
@@trevinodude
To touch on the dark topic for a moment, your hunch was spot on. TW for anyone reading this.
Tekken 6 Jin admits to Lars that he never intended to survive. His goal was to go down with Azazel because being the villain needed to summon it early was a torture he couldn't handle, not when everything he did went against his mother's teachings. In TK7, Miguel's story has him fight Jin and he tells him why he's trying to kill him. Jin replies with just 'Kill me.' Jin very much wants to die. Even the start of TK8 while fighting Kazuya, he openly states that he'll kill him, but then follow him into death soon after to rid the world of the Devil Gene.
The reason Jin was such a 'dick' to everyone and ignored people was that he was doing his best to make his inevitable suicide plan as 'painless' as possible for those who would still miss him. He didn't think he was worthy of genuine bonds after all he's done, and it took his mother to tell him that, even now, his life is worth saving. I had chills when Jin yelled to Kazuya at the very end that he still wants to live and make up for everything he's done.
Jin's been misunderstood by fans for a very long time. While the plot point could have been handled better, it's still a situation that Jin, a kind person, was the only thing that could kill Azazel, and WW3 apparently NEEDED to happen to summon it early enough in Jin's life that he could kill it and save the world from the literal origin of evil.
You had me until the end. Jin could have looked for more ways before deciding he needed to summon Azazel early, but as soon as he was head of the Mishima Zaibatsu he did it immediately. He's was a villain for that, and trying to defend his action that way is just lame and boring of you.
@@shinkai9kami162 If you actually read what I said, I stated that that plot point could have have been handled better. I would have liked to see him try other avenues, but this is a fighting game story, and while I think it's silly, according to even Nina and Zafina, it was the 'only way.' I'm not defending him and saying he's not a villain, he is. That's the tragedy of it.
@@coast2coast-295 Gotcha
ANOTHER reason why miguel should've been in this game! ahhhh they left some big story potential on the cutting floor
I think it's obvious he will be DLC and be involved in the story dlc that is coming as well. @@frankunodostres473
The interesting thing with Angel Jin is that people have theorized for decades now what Angel in Tekken 2 was supposed to be and one prevailing theory was that she was the manifestation of of the Kazama powers, being the counterpart to the devil gene. And now in T8 it seems to be confirmed that this was exactly that. Basically Angel in T2 actually was a relevant character in some way.
I'm with you on Kaz. His son surpassed him, and released him from the Mishima curse. Kazuya will not be the same man as before. Jin showed him with his fists, that there is another way besides pure brute strength. I see a redemption arc, in Kazuya's future.
Honestly… considering the fact that they successfully redeemed Jin after the dumpster fire that was Tekken 6’s treatment of him… I fully trust that Bandai Namco would nail it with a Kazuya redemption arc. Jin sparing Kazuya’s life would be a strong first step in making it happen too, and keep both Jin and Kazuya (along with Jun) relevant in the post Mishima saga stories of Tekken.
@@trevinodudeAnd I think it would make sense for Jin and Kazuya to team up to defeat Devil Reina in Tekken 9.
So, to lovingly humor Kazuya Mishima In Smash Bros., since some of us Nintendo Treat Modern Super Smash Bros as a Collab franchise between Nintendo and Bandai Namco, would Kazuya be labelled as an anti-hero Instead of a Villain?
20:40 I'm quite surprised you didn't catch that Jin has wanted to die since Tekken 4, Thorgi. His main goal was to eliminate the Mishima bloodline in its entirety, including himself. This is why Jun tells Jin that the Kazama style is to protect those important to them. That it's okay to want to live, even though he's longed so much to die; leaving no trace of the Mishimas on the Earth. Jin thought that in order to bring the curse of the Mishimas to an end, he had to die. Which is what made this whole character arc of Jin so worth it in the end.
"Claudio is the least hyped character in the roster"
Uhm, Shaheen is there.
he completely forgot about him lol!!!!!!
Really says something about the character in question.@@binho2224
Guess Shaheen has no hype at all 😅
Who's that?
Sha who?
For Reina's Devil gene there's also a fifth option: Hehachi specifically sought out mothers with the devil gene to have kids with (or spliced it into the kids after they were born) to make a strand of it that was loyal to him as weapons to fight Kazuya and Jin.
That doesn't make sense especially as weapon against Jin and Kazuya when Heihachi thought Kaz was dead for 20 years and didn't even know he had a grandson until he was 15 and Reina isn't that much younger than Jin she even says she want to the same school as him.
Going to the same school doesn't mean you attended at the same time. But Jin and Reina do seem close age wise
...are you telling me they're trying to make that 3d tekken movie canon?!
Because that was the whole plot of that thing: the Mishima polytechnic school was actually a front to lure in kids and experiment in some of them.
Man I hate that movienso much
Reina is definitely a test tube baby. Maybe she was created by the Zaibatsu as Heihachi's last ditch effort to kill Kazuya, which is what implied in that final scene.
@@janematthews9087 I have no idea what that is lol
23:24 You're actually not that far off, his main goal was to take out the Mishima's, take out the devil gene, then take out himself. I agree with you're interpretation of the message wholeheartedly
Jin has always wanted to end himself. Every game he brings up how he will get rid of the devil gene and then himself. He says to Kazuya “I’ll send you to hell and join you soon after.” The scene with Jun is so powerful because what she is explaining to him is that the Kazama power fosters life. All life is precious, and the hardest lesson for Jin is realizing that this also means *his* life is precious.
Jin has spent so long isolating himself. “How many precious things have you let slip through your fingers.” He tried to protect those he cares for by staying away, but all that ends up doing is hurting them. He learns that by taking care of yourself, you are taking care of your loved ones. Claudio says a similar thing (mistranslated in the subtitles as “I treasure” when it’s “you love” lol). He basically says Jin needs to take care of himself for the world and for those whom he loves. By the end of the game Jin literally says “I…I want to live!” And while he says this he thinks of 3 people. He thinks of devil Jin, the part of himself he needed to accept. He thinks of Jun who taught him that not only is it ok to desire life, it is his sacred rite. And he thinks of Xiaoyu, the one he wants to spend his life with. To him being with her is living.
What is Jin doing in his last scene in the story? He is with Xiaoyu on a road trip. He is living.
Trust me. Asuka fans have been complaining about how she has been used in this franchise for years. That Family Tree scene was just another wasted opportunity to add to the pile.
To me, it looks more likely Reina is a clone hybrid of Heihachi and Kazumi, in a similar fashion of Steve Fox. That way, Heihachi is her father, in the same way Nina is Steve's mom.
That doesn’t make any sense. That would have to happen sometime after the events of tekken 2 (because that’s the window for Reina being born) which is however many years since kazumi died.
@@junk_bot_man6412 It makes sense if Heihachi used Anna as the birthing mother. Anna was in cryostasis, just like Nina after Tekken 2. He could have implanted Kazumi's genes with his sperm, and have Anna give birth to the child. All to give birth to a child with the devil gene, since Kazuya was dead and Heihachi did not know Jin existed.
@@Axl21 yeah, he respected his wife and didn’t care for having the gene until he met Kazuya again so he probably didn’t have a sample ready which means he’d have to dig her up. Unless he threw her off a cliff then she’d already be bones. But I’m using too much logic for this anyway. I could see Reina somehow being an experiment
It is no stretch to assume thst Jin has been actively suicidal since at least Tekken 6. He hates the mishima bloodline, he hates the devil gene, but he is also both of those things. He sees himself as the evil he hates in the world and wants to disappear. I think he straight up says that he intended to die killing Azazel in Tekken 6. At several points in this game he says he'll defeat Kazuya even if it kills him and Jun has to straight up tell him that people would miss him if he throws his life away for him to unlock his full power.
4:26 Kazuya killed Leo’s mother, not Jin. After the Tekken 5 intro, Kazuya went and killed the people at G Corp who sent the Jacks.
They probably got Leo confused with Miguel, who developed a vendetta against Jin after the Mishima Zaibatsu bombarded his late sister’s wedding. He does admit in 7 that he doesn't really expect Jin to know about him, his sister, or the particular air raid, but he won't accept her being killed so casually.
“I’ll live on, together with my sins.”
Jin really didn’t need a villain arc, but damn, the effort they took in making up for the admittedly shitty one we got is honestly admirable.
Just hope that later down the line they don’t drop that fact. Post T8 Jin should still deal with the fact that he screwed the world over, but should actively make up for it.
Thorgi, regarding Reina having the Devil Gene, you should note that the Hachijou aren't the only group of people who has the Devil Gene. They've established that Azazel, being the progenitor of the Devil Gene, bestowed numerous people with that power. So it's likely possible that Heihachi had sex with a random woman who had the Devil Gene due to a long-distant ancestor.
Also Tekken 7 lore is Kazumi specifically sought out Heihachi to produce an offspring. Some other clans can have the same idea.
@@seanmei6284 I thought Kazumi specifically sought out Heihachi to kill him on behalf of her clan (who'd predicted that Heihachi would cause the downfall of the world), but ended up falling in love with and having a son (Kazuya) with him.
@@najadamu2724 that bit of lore doesn’t make sense to me. If you want to kill him, why spend a few years (I think Kazuya was 4 when Kazumi tried to kill him), and it looks like Kazumi wasn’t planning to kill him at all, but the devil gene compelled her to do so. This is too convoluted and messy
It also states in T6 iirc that Heihachi was trying to figure out who had the devil gene which is why he has so many children.
@@seanmei6284 that dude explained it wrong. Kazumi was meant to keep an eye on heihachi and only kill him if he got power hungry and when he remade the old zaibatsu that’s when she tried to kill him. Which is also why Akuma went to kill heihachi and Kazuya
22:58 the quote on screen speaks to your point. Kazuya says a fight is about who’s left standing then Jin says it’s about survival. When I first heard this I thought isn’t that the same thing, but this really puts it into perspective.
Also, Jin outright saying that he wants to live leaves no room for interpretation.
And when Kazuya says fighting is about who’s left standing, he says the exact same words his father told him decades ago.
This game story mode is great. For such an over the top story, the writing is decent-great and the narrative flows good enough that you don't lose the plot. The references are amazing, and the music is probably my favourite thing from this story mode. Scene 1, already the music making a reference to one of the Tekken 6 intros, exclusive music like Jin vs Reina round 2, and new remixes from old themes. It's probably the first time I desire to have the story soundtrack for a fighting game.
As for the future, I would really love if Namco goes deeper with the alternative endings. I think a Tekken 9 where you play as Reina and depending of the choices you make, you get different endings could really benefit from it since it's a character we don't know much about. Jin's story is basically over and we could see from the sidelines how's he living, and Kazuya probably with his redemption arc that could end with a sacrifice. Though if they want to do again Angel vs Devil, Asuka is right there, Tomboy vs Tomboy seems like a good fit.
33:00 That's where I think the story is going. T7 was Heihachi focused, T8 was Jin focused, so it only makes sense for T9 to be Kazuya focused.
Claudio being the closest Tekken has ever gotten to a JoJo character and then going out just like a JoJo character was so cool. Was definitely disappointed that Jun didn't have a bigger role but it seems like they're setting her up to be more important in the next chapter
I don't know Claudio felt more like a Bleach character to me, everything about his design and powers screams Quincy.
@@upjohn1715He dresses and poses like a Jojo and has moves like a Quincy
Side note, but come to think of it, there's a rumor swirling of Baki being a guest DLC slot, but on the topic of speculation anime characters for Tekken guest spots, a JoJo character would be pretty dope too.
@@gregvs.theworld451 Oh man let it be Jonathan if that's the case. Watching Hamon's electricity clash with the Mishima's sparks would be all I need in a fighting game
@@MauZangetsu Y'know, I have my issue with the first two JoJo arcs, and imo I'd prefer Joseph since Johnathan is white bread personality wise, but in terms of martial arts and best fitting the vibes I couldn't say Johnathan wouldn't belong, and it would honor where JoJo all began. Y'know what fine, Johnathan as guest with the Joestar Estate as the stage. Maybe if you wreck the stage enough it sets on fire.
For the reason Reina has the Devil Gene, here's my headcannon:
There was an intro cutscene in Tekken 4 for Heihachi's story that said he did an experiment in creating a new lifeform which would have a mix of Heihachi'd and Ogre's DNA, done in order so that Heihachi could learn how to use it to control the Devil Gene. It was said the experiment was a failure.
I think that failed experiment lifeform was Reina. Once she was born Heihachi probably still taught her the style and hoped it could maybe awaken later, as well as have someone carry on his legacy.
I think that Reina's devil form isn't actually simply the Devil Gene, but actually somethint like Ogre's True Form, still monstrous and supernatural but different.
Again, that's just headcannon.
The thing about Reina is you have to pay attention to the little details in the series like how the Mishimba Zaibatsu were experimenting on kids like Steve Fox trying to give them the devil gene. Heihachi Mishima began his own research into the terrifying power of the Devil Gene. In an attempt to to replicate this superhuman strength, the Mishima Zaibatsu started a genetic modification plan with the goal of replicating the effects of the gene on regular humans through the creation of a synthetic Devil Gene. Heihachi used eggs from the assassin Nina Williams, who was cryogenically frozen by Dr. Bosconovitch at the Zaibatsu at the time, to create babies that he used to conduct these experiments. Most of the children died as a result of the experiments and the supersoldier program was ultimately considered a failure. Reina is obviously a successful supersoldier experiment from his DNA spliced with the devil gene even though the program was originally considered a failure he must have succeeded later on using his DNA. Reina has the synthetic devil gene because Jin destroyed Azazel and his power in Kazuya and got rid of their devil gene passed down from the Hachijo and Mishima bloodlines.
One problem, Heihachi never got his hands on the Devil Gene that was the entire plot of Tekken 4.
Steves experiments weren't about giving him the devil gene.
This is very valid. But to add to this theory. See Leo's character episode ending. Leo and his father were in those mishima excavated caves and they find a crystal. I'm gonna assume that the crystal has remnants of devil gene. Perhaps heihachi used extract of the crystal plus Nina's egg and his sperm and created Reina.
@@fightingmedialounge519 it actually is tho. The sign of this failure was the scar on Steve’s arm if you ever decide to take his shirt off. He survived, but remains a defect in this experiment
@@sonicanvaspost6867 it actually isn't. You can go back to either of there intors and see for yourself. This is a case fan speculation getting so popular people think it's true.
I agree, best FG story we've had.
From the implementation of an actual tournament bracket in the story, Tekken force coming back, focused story with fitting fights, Lars-Heihachi flashback (like you 1st time I liked him), Claudio final arrow, surprise Azazel fight, Jin's development of embracing his allies, his past with Devil Jin protecting him, and his own life that actually feels like a continuation from T4 to the finale from Angel vs Devil to Jin vs Kazuya incorporating different styles was amazing.
My main issues was how much they hyped up Jun coming back only to not give us the interactions we were hoping since her fate ain't even really confirmed until the end. Almost feels like she could be T9 instead.
And the biggest one, I love the juxtaposition from Jin's arc in T6 where he tried to get the power to kill Azazel and thus the devil gene, and thus save the world in a twisted way in solitude, which he failed on all 3 hurdles and put the world into more chaos than ever before.
To then T8 where after embracing is allies, his past, and value of his own life to actually destroy Azazel, end the Devil Gene, and beat Kazuya saving the world. Felt like a perfect bookend for his story...
Only for Reina to have the devil gene still, felt like they finally broke away from it, even with her being Heihachi's daughter instead of Kasumi but I guess he got with another member of the clan or cloned in some fashion to have the devil gene or she's an experiment. Either way, like how the ending hints Claudio & Zafina may be alive, I wish they stood their ground instead of these fake-out st the very end/end-credits.
The way they used Hwoarang, Xiaoyu, Lars, Devil Jin and Jun to really push the character of Jin forward is nothing but fantastic.
Did anyone notice that in the final fight between Jin and Devil Jin where you have to break Jin's chains that Jun is watching you way in the background?
Jun is on that stage normally
Wait, what?!
@@xavierortega6846 go in training and got to the bottom. She’ll be all the way in the background walking
The reason why Zafina and Claudio survived it prolly cause Zafina never was in actual danger (only Xiaoyu shows mild concern and that concern isn't nearly big enough to be about her dying), while Claudio like verbatim says that he wasn't planning to sacrifice himself which implies that he had a safe way out
Jun is most likely alive due to everything from Harada's words to everything in-game. And tbh mad agree withvyour take and kaz. He has his own character arc to go through since everything he believes in is pretty much Hei's ideology and Kaz can't really believe in it wholeheartedly
I see Devil Reina as a way to bring in return of Devil Jin and Hachijou (clan of Kazumi). It's possible that Hei somehow managed to hook up with another Hachijou (be it purposefully or not) which isn't impossible since Hei is a pathological liar and pretty much entirety of his T7 interview is most likely him making shit up to appear as a hero to press. Or maybe she's a result of experiments and ngl your idea of her being a lab made Kaz daughter also makes a lot of sense 38:40
I'm betting that Reina is a Kaz clone, in the same vein as X 23 is to Wolverine. That would explain both how she has the Devil Gene and still be Heihachi's daughter.
One problem, Heihachi never got his hands on the Devil Gene or Kazuya's DNA that was the entire plot of Tekken 4.
@@TheOtakuKat Fair point, which means that Heihachi has no involvement in the creation of Reina, but it doesn't rule out that G Corp experimenting behind Kaz' back, especially during the 19 years gap between Tekken 2 and Tekken 4, which she looks roughly of that age.
@@drluigi3760 Maybe but
I feel if they going to hint G-Corps experiments went beyond other than just reviving Kazuya I think they would have done so in the four installments since 4 but they haven't so I doubt it.
@@TheOtakuKat Fair enough, although Tekken is no stranger with out of the blue plot points. Now, why would a G Corp bio weapon would have any allegiance to Heihachi? I don't know, not sure how they are going to incorporate Reina to the main story in the next game, but the only entity (so far) that has the means to create Heihachi's daughter and also have the devil gene, during the events between Tekken 2 and Tekken 4, is G Corp.
30:14 Not only is it implied that Zafina lives but on the right side of the picture you could see Claudio’s legs implying he lived as well. He did say he had no intention to sacrifice himself.
I thought about the possibility of Kazuya being Reina’s true father too while playing through story mode. I could also see that she is a clone of Heihachi infused with the power of the devil gene.
actually the subtitles were completely wrong! he actually says something more like "I don't plan to sacrifice myself in vain", but for some reason the subtitles imply that he did not plan to sacrifice himself at all! There's a bunch of horrible mistranslations in tekken for some reason, specially on non-japanese speaking characters. Victor literally says "dispersion" on his rage art and it gets translated to "die!" on the subtitles for some reason. Azucena says "necessitas de más café!" on her rage art, which just means "you need more coffee!", but it gets translated as "had your morning coffee yet?" for no reason! The localization team for tekken is really not that good, they have been making similar blunders since tekken 5, and oh boy tekken 8 is full of localization blunders too!
@@Uncle.GrapesThank you so much for that insight. When watching so,etching in a language that is foreign to me I often wonder about the accuracy of the translations. I was planning on going back to see if there were any inconsistencies with the Japanese text during that final fight. Reading your comment makes me want to do so even more.
I wonder how dialogue gets written in Tekken. Do they type everything in Japanese first then get that localized to give to the voice actors? Or do they have a team of international writers working together? Something I want to learn more about.
14:17 Actually he did weaken Bison. Before he died, Nash was able to siphon some of his Psycho Power from Bison in order for Ryu to finish the job.
I don’t even like to play fighting games but your channel is awesome. I love all the passion you have and all the energy you put into your videos. Almost makes me want to play.
I definitely agree with how Asuka got largely ignored lore-wise. Tekken really missed that big opportunity to really flesh out Jin and his Kazama side even more besides his mother, I mean at least give Asuka a moment with Jin, even as simple as a sparring match in which he is reminded of how his mother taught him, I could go on and on but I digress. Awesome video as always.
Right. And jin would enjoy sparring with her because of that. Would make xiaoyu jealous lol
@@tee_saw Damn straight. idk if Thirgi picked up on this but what if Heihachi did create Reina during the events in T4 the moment he raided G Corp and seize all of the bioresearch data relating to both Kazuya's reconstruction and such. And let's not gloss over Tekken 3 where Heihachi might've gathered some DNA samples from Ogre. So put two and two together. The reason why Heihachi was shocked to see Kazuya in T4 was enough to justify raiding G Corp which then confirmed his suspicion that G Corp was now a legitimate threat back then when he was still alive. Lars was born out of Heihachi doing it "for science" to prove that the Devil Gene was never really from the Mishima's from the get go. Which in turn leads to the creation of Reina in the background . So I think the Devil Gene that is inside Reina was obviously from Kazuya but Heihachi modified it by splicing his DNA along with Ogre's to create a literal super soldier
I wonder if they just regret making Asuka a Kazuma, and would prefer that she's simply Lili's rival/sidekick.
That's literally what I said too. They could have at least given her something with Jin or some character interactions of sorts, but they can't even give her that. It's been 3 games, and she still hasn't done anything plot relevant and her connection with Jin is still being ignored. If there always gonna keep treating her as a side character instead of being important in any way, then what was the point of her creation in the first place
@@najadamu2724might as well be the case. Given they always be putting her up against just Lili, all the time
Great points overall, especially regarding Asuka. I liked the story, but her part was really disappointing. I didn´t expect her to go full Angel and tag team with Jin, but at least give her more than five throwaway lines in the whole story. She is supposed to be Jin´s family from his mother´s side and the inheritor of Kazama style (you know, the "power that fosters life, and cleanses evil"), and the only living relative Jin knows that isn´t trying to kill him. Now, for the first time she canonically meets Jin and even sits in the same plane, enroute to their sacred family landmark, but doesn´t exchange a single word with Mr "I want to live because of my cherished friends and bonds." Her relevance really starts and ends with Tekken 5, and since Tekken 6 we were forced to watch this same boring comedy shtick with Lili for the past 17 years.
Also imagine if during plane scene where Asuka looks over family tree.
After realising that Jin is her cousin. She may suggest living with her. That wouldn’t change much. But it would been good motivator for Jin to live. Because someone besides girl that has crush on him, his uncle. Willing maybe accept him?
The thing is Asuka isn't quite matured yet, as she is only 18 years old, and hardly has gotten out of her teen phase. Just because they are related, doesn't mean that they have to care for each other. She still sees Jin as a stranger who happened to start WW3, despite being the only hope for the world. She undoubtedly understands Jin's situation, but it would seriously be awkward for them to interact with each other considering the difference of their maturity. I also doubt Asuka cares much for the spiritual side of the Kazama style teachings, considering her brash nature.
Just want to say, the credits showing characters after the game ending (at least, the “good” version) implies that both Zafina and Claudio survived.
You were totally right on Jin's depression and interpreting his statement as denying his "self-ending" feelings.
Jin's goal throughout the entirety of Tekken 6 was to awaken Azazel with the idea in mind that killing the source of the Devil Gene would kill him. Jin will constantly remind people that he's ready to die in Tekken 8, with the statements decreasing in alarmingness as the story goes on (I'll send you to hell, and join you soon after. | I'll kill Kazuya even if it kills me | I'll protect my friends, even if it takes my life) but never losing that sense of a death wish.
UNTIL he meets his mother again, and asks her "Mother, do I have the right to desire life?"
To which she responds "Your own life is well worth protecting. Don't you forget it."
Only then does Jin say "if it means living with my friends, I'll never stop getting back up!". Only then does Jin cry out "I WANT TO LIVE!" when confronting Kazuya.
TLDR: Jin is the best fighting game protagonist.
I mean, while Azucena's reason for siding with Kazuya is flimsy, I think that's kinda the point. Her reasoning IS flimsy. Her official description did mention that she has a sinister side to her. She's literally described as a mad scientist who experimented on coffee to create the "perfect brew" lol. She's also a shrewd businesswoman at heart. Even her job as an MMA fighter is merely a means to promote her coffee brand for her, nothing more.
Jin’s uncles stepped up this game(and that saying something lol)
Although it seems like Lars forgives Jin, I’m still unsure about his true intentions as in Tekken 7 he says that he wants Jin dead.
@@NhBleker he stopped, trying to kill him at the end of 6 and looked/protected him in 7
@@emperorjoker9240 He told the reporter that was about to murder an unconscious Jin that he wants Jin dead as well. Also Lee could be planning on taking the spot of the Mishima Zaibatsu and G Corp with Violet Enterprises conquering the world.
@@NhBleker really? I don’t remember that but either way as of this game both of them are good guys, and seem to have a great relationship with Jin.
@@NhBlekerLee Chaolan may be portrayed as a douche in the first two Tekken games but Heihachi, being the utterly rotten bastard that he is, kicked Lee out and Lee decided to do his own thing even if he doesn’t have to grovel to Heihachi anymore.
So many insane moments and great fanservice parts. Getting put into a surprise Tekken force mode and seeing Jin go full Kazama style were incredible
Dude this story made me switch from not knowing who to main to being a Leroy main, so fuckin badass
Jin goes inside himself and confronts the evil power that wants take over him. He finds out that the devil is actually a good guy and gets it to cooperate with him. This grants him control over the evil power and is now able to use the devil form. During the fight with the big bad guy his power is not enough. His dead mother gives him a power boost and a new even stronger form to beat the big bad.
So basically it’s Naruto without the fillers
Both lar and lee step up for jin big time best uncles in the series
22:36 I personally think that his sacrifice would've been at defeating Azazel, because he basically goes down with him on the story mode for tekken 6, his whole motivation was probably to do an heroic sacrifice, even tho he got an second chance at life in tekken 7 and onwards
As an Asuka main, Tekken Team's vendetta for her hurts my soul 😔
21:54 Jin actually does say in his conversation with Lars near the end of T6's story that he plans on killing Azazel and himself in the process to get rid of the Devil Gene, and in the beginning of T8, he tells Kazuya quite literally that he's taking him to hell with him. So yeah, it's not just theoretical; Jin was actively trying to kill himself while facing his family and the Devil Gene because he believed that was the only way he could save the world from the existence of a Devil.
Asuka got done too dirty, she should have been the one to fight Jin considering she Jins mothers fighting style
Asuka isn't a villian. It's Kazuya who needed to fight Jin so Jin could defeat him to save the world. Asuka isn't important in the grand scheme of things
@@homeoftek5844 I meant instead of Xiaoyu, her taking the army of jacks by herself was silly
@@Rough_Estimates That's also Tekken in a nutshell: It's stupid at it's core and has been since the first game.
If Reina is a genetic clone of Kazuya, she could technically claim to be the "daughter" of Heihachi that way too.
dude Lars was so cool in this story mode like he's legitimately one of if not my favourite tekken character now
Outside jin he my number 2
He’s one of two Mishima Family members who are not murderously power hungry and psychotic, the other being Jinpachi Mishima despite having some demonic entity manipulate him when he came back.
"My mother taught me that power isn't everything" Then uses Jun's countattack move to deflect Kazuya, then after that he takes her stance. That's a GREAT story moment.
Kazuya's character ending is a rare moment
I'll never not be mad about Asuka. It's all there to make her a main character, but they keep putting her with the stalker. They didn't just drop the ball with Asuka they damn well imploded it. As for the comment about Kazuya, I'd like to see him redeemed, and in regards to the Devil Gene. How do we know Heihachi doesn't have it? he trained himself to Batman levels, making it VERY hard to kill him. What if that just made it harder for the gene to activate? what if the end of Tekken 7 pushed it far enough? so many questions!
That whole thing about Reina probably being Kazuya's kid does work, like what's Reina's nickname they gave her in her trailer? Purple Lightning. What type of color is usually associated with Kazuya? Purple, mainly his suit and his LIGHTNING at certain points.
But Reina straight up declares Heihachi is her father, twice.
And her literal arcade opening makes clear she's Heihachi's daughter. And Heihachi himself has said he has tons of illegitimate children.
@@story_marcI bet Heihachi never did a background check on any of his mistresses to see whether they had the Devil Gene or not!
the story of this game is amazing, but my one disappointment really is Asuka, she ABSOLUTELY should've been deffending Jin in Yakushima alongside Xiaoyu, if not to deffend Jin, then to deffend the Kazama Legacy which is what her character is all about, and she ABSOLUTELY should've fought Jin at some point in the story, perhaps right before he gets in the Tree, perhaps fighting another family member who knows the Kazama Style as well as his mother could spark those memories and draw him into his trance that would lead him into confronting Devil Jin, that would do so much for her story, and I don't believe Asuka didn't know about Jun, running the Kazama dojo is her FAMILY business, did no one ever tell her she had an aunt who used to be an amazing master at the Kazama style until an ancient fighting God killed her? Asuka and Jun even have a really cool unique tag throw in Tekken Tag 2 that is both of them using the Kazama style to just throw the opponent around, I find it unbeliavable that someone as dedicated to her dojo and her fighting style just wouldn't know about her, and with that said, Asuka and Jun should've had a special intro of sorts, or at least some sort of unique dialogue, you can unlock Asuka's kimono for Jun as a customization option, it would've been cool to see them interacting in some way, Asuka deserves better than being Lili's sidekick and Feng Wei's punchbag
The tekken videos are soooo entertaining!😊
My biggest disappointment from this game is Asuka and Jun's role. Asuka was relegated to Lili's sidekick. She helps with Jin's war on Kazuya but that's it. Then Jun appears at the end all you see is her legs and you unlock a side story that explains how she's alive. No Jun showing Asuka how to use Kazama powers or explaining how they're related or some big Jin Jun Asuka trio battle. No Asuka getting revenge on Feng they literally were on the same battlefield you could've done something there. They barely gave anything to Asuka x lili shippers. Even some Asuka Jin bonding. Just nothing.
Also you are not alone thorgi i want more for Asuka's family connection. They don't even have special intros
Btw, Claudio and Zafina arent dead. Look at the images during the credits.
Claudio might not actually be dead. Because he literally says before getting blasted that he doesn't intend to sacrifice himself. Which would be a good moment to call back to if they wanna bring him back. And then there's also the fact that plenty of normal characters survive kazuya's beams let alone a person who's a direct counter to devil powers. I wouldn't mind bringing him back honestly. Never really played him but always thought he was one of the cooler designed characters. I know people wouldn't like that it will devalue his sacrificial moment. but I honestly don't really care. it's a good moment for the time but 7 years down the line in tekken 9 land. I personally would have moved way past it and would be down to see Claudio again just for sake of it
I'm wasn't very optimistic about the eventual sequel, I thought the Kazuya-Jin finale would be hard to top and I didn't find Reina as a main villain appealing. My only hope was another Tekken 2-3 style leap with a new generation of fighters. But your last Reina theory with the Skywalker-style twist but dialed up really turned me around. Cheers!
The greatest thing about the Leroy and Jin fight is that it was a nod to the Tekken Bloodline anime where both of them fought and I love it!
I want nightmare heihachi as a dlc fighter
Zombie Heihachi that only exists in Kazuya's mind (but is still a playable character) would be great.
Would love to see a rotting undead version of Ancient Ogre as Jin's nightmare too.
Like you said, T8 is probably the best fighting game story. It’s a love letter to Tekken fans with all the musical callbacks, it’s well paced out, and maybe it’s the shonen brainrot but damn it hits me emotionally. I love this series so much
I agree with what you said about Asuka’s involvement in the story mode. And on top of that, in my personal opinion, my only critique of the story mode, and then possibly the greatest fumble of the story mode… was Jun’s inclusion. Like I was so excited about this game, one of the main reasons was focus on Jin’s family. Because all of the other games were always about the Mishimas, but this game was gonna focus on the family dynamic between Jin, Jun, and Kazuya. Like this was a golden opportunity for more expiration on the Kazama bloodline, and Jun and Kazuya’s history. And with Jun coming back and being a playable character, it could open the door for so many things. And all we get is two flashbacks of her, and a scene with her motivating Jin in his head, and that’s it?! Like talk about dropping the ball, she doesn’t interact with Kazuya, she doesn’t even interact with Asuka, and she doesn’t even show up in the final battle between Jin and Kazuya. This could’ve been a perfect opportunity to have all three of them on screen together, and there’s nothing. Sure she shows up over Kazuya’s unconscious body, BUT THAT’S NOT ENOUGH! You know her arcade ending? That’s what the final battle should’ve at least look like, not them being friendly, and being a happy family, but at least a powerful and impactful scene with all three of them together. Jun’s return and her inclusion in the story mode was one of this games main selling points, and after seeing what they gave us with her, I feel ripped off. In Sub-Zero’s words: such wasted potential. And don’t get me started on that little cut scene which I’m pretty sure is a retcon. But like I said, that’s my only critique of the story mode everything else was awesome.
The final battle where the music plays was easily one of the most hype moments ever for me, and I really want the song on my mp3 player.
I'm also disappointed with Asuka, and I think this game was the final straw with her for me. Like I can potentially see her doing stuff with Reina, but she's very much a Lili sidekick at this point despite being stronger, so I'm not getting my hopes up. BlazBlue will always have my heart for favorite fighting game, but Tekken is a very close second after this game.
35:38 I think the Devil Gene is tied to Azazel's chosen people (the Mishimas) and can be passed between them. Tekken 8 implies that being killed by a Mishima is the pre-requisite for getting the power to manifest but only if it's needed/desired. Heihachi never got it cuz he was the strongest man in the world then he came to despise the power because of Kazumi. Reina, on the other hand, wants the power and also has that Heihachi unfuckwittableness
EDIT: I think Tekken 8 will get another story mode to get through the Reina stuff in +-3 years (so after 2 seasons of DLC characters)
Great video, and on that last bit about "how did Reina get the Devil Gene" with Option 4 being the most likely option:
Yeah, Tekken 8’s future DLC/Tekken 9's DEFINITELY gonna need Maury Povich in there. In a franchise that has had Negan from The Walking Dead show up.
They always like making there protagonists people who have evil within them. They did the same with Soulcaliber and Nightmare / Sigfried and now Jin and Kazuma
Also, look up at the meaning of the name "Jin". That adds up to the story theme
when Jin's Tekken 3 soundtrack hit, I almost cried. Then Kaminano hit, I cried a lot! Epic final fight!
They could've replaced Azu with Lucky Chloe, since she ACTUALLY works for G corp, and from her 7 ending, we can see she has an aggressive side too. It would've made more sense.
All I got is that Reina was absorbing parts of the devil gene to make either a mock version of it. While it wasn't shown too much against Jin, she was taking on a lot of those blasts and saying things like "it wasn't enough yet," until that big blast at the battlefield. I like to think that she was just gathering it up anyways
All I have to say about how they fumbled Asuka is… if they just said that Lili KNEW that if Asuka was related to the Jin from her research, Lili was literally trying to keep Asuka away from the plot because, she knew anyone caught up in the Mishima/Kazuma family bullshit ends up dead, she’d lose her rival/(girl)friend and didn’t want that to happen to her, then it would have been a good character moment. Asuka would have argued with Lili about her lineage, she’d ultimately understand it was out of concern, AND you could now reintroduce her connection to future storylines as Jin having a family member that ISN’T a huge asshole who can help purify the Devil gene. ESPECIALLY SINCE REINA [SPOILERS] HAS THE DEVIL GENE SOMEHOW!? Like, did Heihachi do it with Kazumi’s sister we don’t know about!?
All I’m saying is, ASUKA VS DEVIL REINA NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
(*and Lili needs to marry Asuka already*)
I wanna see Asuka and Reina throwing punches while standing on the bamco logo in the next game
Your not actually wrong. Jin has literally said long before Tekken 8 that he would end the devil gene and himself as well which he considered tainted as a Mishima. This isn't new info from this game. He planned to take himself out along with azazel from the beginning hoping that would end the family curse too. That's why in Tekken 7 when he faced Miguel in Miguel's ending he kept saying he wanted to die and would not resist Miguel wanting to kill him for the death of his sister.
He's spent 25 years hating himself and everything to do with his family that he ran away from people who cared about him like xiaoyu to protect her when he was merely running away from life itself.
And yes jun was never dead . Harada said she was alive even before tag 2 came out like 12 years ago
I wasn't as blown away as I thought I would tbh. the visuals and major fights were awesome. but the story itself is paper thin let's be real.
- reina being the mysterious side character until the final reveal was probably the best part of the whole story. now who is her mom >.> imma be honest, for the entire time I thought she was a clone/experiment with heihachi (and probably kazuya or kazumi) dna.
- I am annoyed that we never saw jin meet jun IRL. I felt like that was the one thing the entire thing was leading up to (ever since tekken 3!) and in the end I was left disappointed ngl...
- I would've liked to see some conclusions for minor characters. some loose ends they could've tied up: what is asuka's actual family situation? king appears but where are armor king and marduk?? miguel??? he would've been a perfect fit for a smaller role in this story! raven is back but where is master raven? where the hell is anna williams???
- on a very personal note, claudio was a good fit for the sacrifice character. wasn't so popular that he'll be missed, had a great sendoff. HOWEVER the same can't be said about zafina. I hope she isn't dead and will return in the next games. her moveset was so cool
What if Asuka is going to be the one to face Reina in the next Tekken? Since Jin doesn’t have the Devil Gene or the Kazama’s cleansing powers (at least I think), what if Asuka had to unlock hers in order for Reina to be defeated?
I'm hoping and praying this happens
@@GigivsGrey Also, since Reina would definitely be the next villain, not only would Asuka be given some much needed spotlight considering she’s a Kazama, but it would give Jin a chance to interact with someone else in his family who isn’t evil. I love Tekken, but I find it crazy that Asuka doesn’t get to do anything that isn’t involved with Lili.
The secret ending you unlock for Jun I interpreted that the tree healed her after her fight with Ogre. I think she's still alive
My only story complaint is Asuka
Asuka is my main and fave character, I don't have any problems with her and Lili's relationship (idk what else to call it)
I know it's possible to have the Asuka and Lili dynamic as well as making Asuka matter but I've already accepted that Asuka will never have main story significance so no qualms there
What bothers me is her and Feng
As far as I know their beef never got settled so like
If you're gonna have Asuka be on the good side and Feng be on the bad side why the hell do you not have them fight? I like Leroy but like that's the one thing Asuka had that hadn't been ruined yet.
Asuka and Feng have an intro in versus modes and I'm convinced that the tekken devs just didn't notice that one of the 5 Asuka fans put that in there so they couldn't remove it (obviously I'm joking with this)
Reina being important gives me some hope tho, finally a female Tekken character will actually have story significance. It should have been Asuka but I'll take what I can get (lemme specify, a female character that isn't just a mother to a main character, I.E Jun and Kazumi)
I get the feeling we are going to get a part 2 of the story later down the line.
It just feels like there is too much groundwork set to wait until the next game.
Also to note on Jun being alive. Correct me if I'm wrong, they never directly showed her dead body did they? They more or less stated she got killed by Ogre. Which leads me to believe more so on the thought she's been alive all this time.
Not only Leroy Smith's voice actor played jet from cowboy Bebop he also played DJ in the Street fighter 2 animated movie so anytime you play him you got a blast cuz I like that
Jin did battle with his inner demons and achieved synthesis with them. Some serious Persona stuff there.
My theory about Reina is that she's possessed by a demon or evil spirit like Jinpachi. The evil spirit could be Heihachi, a demon claiming to be Heihachi, or a demon Reina made a deal with to get the power she needs for revenge.
the zafina pic also implirs claudio survived as well, and like sure dog you earned it
About Reina's parents, I actually think that she's Heihachi daughter. Everyone hangs into what is the canon now, but back then in Tekken 5 not only is implied that Jinpachi's power is Devil Gene (something that was retconned later) but also that Heihachi had Lars just as a way to know if he had the Devil Gene. Tekken's storyline keeps getting retconned all the time, I don't think it would really matter at all if it was possible for Mishima's having Devil Genes and it could lay dormant, so no matter what the person did the Gene wouldn't wake even if the host was exposed to live threating situations, but it could still be passed to it's offspring.
Also, for future games, I actually would love if they decide to go all the Power Instinct/Gōketsuji Ichizoku/Groove on Fight/Matrimeele way and the next game be about the heir to the Mishima Zaibatsu. Harada trolled when he said that Heihachi had like, 18 sons across the globe, but think for a moment: in the next Tekken you could add something like 5 new characters, all of them connected to Heihachi in a way, and we already have many characters that can already claim the control of the zaibatsu: Lee's Heihachi adopted son, Lars is actually his son, Jin is his grandson, if Kazuya isn't dead he also could join the fight, Reina already is there, Kuma as his pet could also join as a comedic take on this family fighting over heritage thing... well, for me, if it works on Matrimeele, it could work here. A tournament where the winner takes the CEO chair of the Mishima Zaibatsu. For me that's a good way to keep Tekkens story going on.
Jun never died, Harada already confirmed this before, the head you see Ogre lift up in Tekken 3's opening is King 1's head, not Jun's, which people thought it was before Harada debunked it.
Worth noting: Azucena didn't say anything about wanting world peace, her only goal in siding with G Corp was to promote her brand, which if you ask me fits well with Tekken's sense of humor.
It also makes sense in regards to business: If you're siding with the dominant faction, they won't go after your ass.
She definitely does mention world peace. Maybe you just didn't read the subs lmao
Another posibility is that Reina actuali is Heihachi's kid, but her mother is someone else with the devil gene that isn't Kazuya. This is backed up by the scene with the archiologist researching the devil gene in the caves, which shows a cave painting af Azazel giving the devil gene to two seperate individuals. it can be assumed that one of these individuals is an ancestor of Kazumi with the other one forming a seperate bloodline that possesses the devil gene. Given that Lars is one of Heihachi's many illigitimate children with other women besides Kazuya, its possible Reina's mother also had the devil gene like Kazumi
weather Heihachi intended this or knew about it is unclear, but highly unlikely given Lars was sired partly for Heihachi to determine if Kazuyas evil was because of him or the devil genne Kazuya got from his mother. Its's thus unlikely he would seek out another woman with the devil gene intentionally, but still possible it could have happened.
Also, if this theory of two swpwerate bloodlines with ties to Azazel is true, said families could have maintaine ties over the generations, with Reina's mother seducing Hehachi much like Kazumi did in the hopes that reina would be powerful enough to defeat Heihachi. given we know very little of either Reina or Kazumi's history, we can only speculate at this point
i kind of liked Claudio bc he reminded me of Ishida in bleach and he had a stone mask like dio in t7, he definitely felt a lot more significant in this game though which was nice
I don't think Zafina is dead.
Also, Asuka and Jin knows they're relatives but it's soooo distant it didn't matter.
Jun is the sole survivor of the main Kazama family branch according to Lili which she researched cuz, at this point, she's obsessed with Asuka....
I think the big thing for Jun was that she was always labeled "Missing in Action", so it was never confirmed she died. Then again, Leo used to be labeled a female before so who knows.
Yeah that'll be my headcanon for the next 7 years: Reina being a test tube baby and Kazuya becoming the MC again to redeem himself in tekken 9 that's just so good to pass up
The developers did a good job with the story from what I understand. Still could have been better, but they still managed to properly complete Jin's character arc.
Yeah, Azucena's inclusion in the final war was... weird. Especially because they could've easily put Bryan in her place and it'd make a whole lot more sense. Same thing with Law.
I feel like they put them there only for the sake of showcasing their unique intros and they didn't know where else to put them.
Im loving the tekken videos!!!
i loved the story, but damn, did they really do my main asuka dirty
23:36 I CAN! Nightmare and Seigfried! Two Characters, two Sides of the Same Coin! And Both were basically the Proto Jin, except Ya’know. Soul Edge Being Evil as Hell!
Subspace emissary has yet to be beaten
I would still think Reina is Heihachi's daughter. Like Lars was fathered to see if Heihaci was capable of passing down the Devil Gene (before we found out it came from Kazumi & the Hachijo clan in T7), Reina could be aware of the cursed Mishima bloodline that us fans going back to the early days were aware of. She could know of it as misinformation like how we had no knowledge of the Hachijo clan before Tekken 7, Reina is going on false information believing as a Mishima she should have the Devile Gene.
But also consider that the devils were selected by Azazel to serve him. During the fight with Kazuya at the coliseum, Cloudio wounds Kazuya with his exorcism spell. After the fight between True Devil Kazuya & Reina, Kazuya curses Azazel through the pain he feels in the wound on his arm. I believe in that moment it is Azazel trying to escape, passing a portion of his power to bless Reina into becoming his servant aware that she wants to awaken her devil. She didn't have the Devil Gene before then like when she fought Jin in the Iron Fist Arena but she did after the coliseum & was still awoken by Kazuya's laser blast in the all out war.
The 4th point on why Reina might have the Devil Gene would be something I agree with, if it didn't disregard some of the factoids we learn about the gene from Tekken 6 to now. Tekken 8 both reestablishes and expands Azazel's purpose as the originator of the Devil Gene, as inheritors of the gene (and variations thereof) trace back to HIM. This lines up with what we know about Kazumi in 7, as apparently an entire clan can have the Devil Gene, and a variation that could respond to deadly premonitions of the future; a trait that Kazuya and Jin lack.
There could be SEVERAL families and individuals with their version of the Devil Gene, and there's no doubt that Heihachi knew that. If Reina is not the lab-child of Kazuya, then she's definitely someone who was adopted by Heihachi, realizing she's from a Devil bloodline she never knew existed. He could have trained her the Mishima style and set her up as a backup plan for when he dies. She COULD be set up as the next big villain to kill the people responsible for his death (which would be anti-climactic considering Jin and Kazuya don't have the gene anymore), but it's my hope that she's actually setting out to kill EVERY inheritor of the Devil Gene, Hachijou included. That's a comic book story arc if I ever heard one.
I enjoyed the story though I'm not a fan of jin as a character so I woulda rather this be more of team battle vs kazuya rather than focusing on Jin for most of it.
The ending slideshow also made me confused on wether zafina's dead or not