Wow! You managed to make an "all in one" video and explained it in more depth and faster than ANYONE at my local gun store. (not knocking them, but let's be real, this is a niche market) With that said, as a retired professional drummer, I understand that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Some brands "claim" that they have ALL the solutions...in my experience this is NEVER true. I am new to this world of never ending acronyms and am tired of cheap companies trying to sell me shit that I have to keep returning. Thank you for helping on my quest to find the equipment that suits me!
Great video! You covered a lot of ground in 20 minutes and was well presented. Over the last 40 years I've collected every Safariland mount you've shown, and then some. They're all now in my big holster box in the attic. For me, the True North MHA has beat Safariland hands down for six months now being worn four to seven days a week and eight to twelve hours per day! Not even a hint of hot spot problems so far and I haven't had a need for a leg strap with the MHA. Keep up the good work!
I tried using the MHA for a while. It's a nice piece although I ended up getting rid of it and switched to using a CUBL. The MHA is infinitely more uncomfortable than the CUBL for me, and I also found the amount of customization on the MHA to essentially he worthless, since most people will simply find the exact setup that works for them and then never touch it again.
I needed to read this. Almost bought an MHA but decided against it. 😂. Just got a CUBL today on accident thinking it was a standard mid ride. I'm actually kinda happy with it now as I had been wanting to bring up my holster a bit and even out the positive cant.
I'm using ANR design holster mount (standard non short model). It Solves 3 problems which are the slopness of oversized belt loop of normal UBL to fit large belts (the ANR is made to fit either 1.5" or 1.75" belts), it is Cantable, it is also slightly lower than Mid ride (I am not sure if it is about the same as Low Ride UBL as i don't have low ride). I did add the Qore performance Aero holster pad to it, No real hot spots, but still testing it out.
Although we only briefly mentioned this in the video, Safariland UBL is the way to go for patrol or any professional duty use application. MHA is just too much metal, weight, and size (optionality) that isn’t working for you 99% of the time.
@@QorePerformanceUSA After watching your video and reading the comments, it seems the TNC MHA is a better choice for range commando's. not those who are out on the beat. Safariland Cantable UBL are now available and with the addition of some quality padding (IceVents), is a way to go for patrol work. Hope to see Safariland address the belt attachment limitations along the way TNC MHA and Blackhawk holsters have. BTW, I have run a Serpa Level 3 for 10 years and will be moving to the T-Series in the future. #StayFrosty
The shade thrown at Amazon makes me happy. Like Walmart, sometimes they just have the thing you need, but I will always avoid giving these companies money if at all possible.
I think the real holster adapters were the ice vents aero that changed the comfort level of wearing a holster for the rest of eternity...that we found along the way.
I run UBLs. I have both long and medium that I use for different assignments. I also have a Safariland small drop leg that sees use on specific assignments. I use QLS adapters for each UBL, and I have a female QLS mounted horizontally on the left side of my armor carrier. Why? A holster mounted in the traditional location, but on a UBL pushes the business end deep into your vehicle seat, thus compromising the material and padding below, and, due to resistance, pushing your body into imbalance. Those of us that do the job tend to retire with enough health issues as it is, I see no reason to add more. Now, my pistol is at hand height while driving, and can be moved to traditional location in less time than it takes to get out of my seat belt. I have the MHA set up for other work, with an entirely different type of belt set up. No issues to report, that I did not already anticipate. Like most things in the realm of gunfighting equipment, there is no one answer. I have a box with well over $1000 worth of Milt Spark holsters and belts from 20+ years ago when I first started carrying 1911s daily. Today, I have added to that box, a room full of vests, belts, adapters and do-hickeys that have all been given a fair shot at the starting lineup. Some were starters - champions even. But as they aged, other products were brought to market and did something a little bit better. There is no one answer. There is no free lunch. You have to open your wallet. Then you have to open your calendar. Spend the money and the time to give yourself the best chance to be the best you.
I noticed that for the price of the safariland cost analysis you chose to add up the UBL, VUBL, QSL, FORK, CUBL DFA, and leg strap vs the True north concepts you only took into consideration the MHA and the leg strap, which begs me to ask how am i going to quickly connect and remove my gun with the holster (If i don't have the fork that safariland sells) if that wasn't included in the cost analysis. Kinda of a little biased no? Great comparison truly but I'm genuinely asking as I am considering one of these options.
I agree I felt like maybe he should’ve just added the cost of the most expensive belt loop and leg strap to show potentially what the most expensive option would be…
Not wrong, need to add the cost of a QLS 22 with the true north otherwise it's just a piece of alloy 🤣 where as the safariland belt mounts come with the 22 included in the price!
You're a nerd, but I appreciate that. 🤣 I'm still experimenting to see what works and and swapping to the high rise UBL to see how that works out. The mid has been causing more issues than I'd like.
One thing you forgot is that with a true North Concepts, you have more belt room then on the Safariland product. A couple inches altogether can make a significant difference.
I really enjoyed this video, I am currently building a belt setup for general larping and some competition use. I really like the mha and plan on getting one eventually but I was able to snag a ubl mid in a bargain bin for $10 and so I decided to go that route for now
Glad you enjoyed it! Smart move on the UBL - it is all you need. We don’t run MHAs anymore. Too much weight and bulk for adjustability you only need for discovery once.
That MHA looks really tall, are you able to sit down on a bench seat or other flat surface without the bottom hitting and pushing your belt up? Plastic mounts usually have enough flex and give to account for that and I've not seen any as tall as the MHA. That and the lack of spacing away from the leg are my biggest concerns. I run Blade Tech TMMS on a drop offset attachment from a Tek-Lok, but want to convert to an ALS holster from Safariland and this adaptor seems like the ticket to bring both those worlds together, if it works
Good observation - it is really tall. While actual mileage may vary, size along with the weight and lots of un-useable versatility are why we now run UBL almost exclusively. Ounce equal pounds and pounds equal pain…
@@QorePerformanceUSA Any suggestions on belt mounts that work with the Safariland 3 hole pattern but don't require you to slide a belt through? My leather belts are too thick and my web belts are all stitched in cobra buckles.
How do you like your setup? I'm going with the MHA and Safariland QLS adapters on my Redhill Tactical holster as well. Does the True North MHA get in the way when you sit down etc? Being that it isn't flexible?
I found and ordered my True North just recently. I also ordered the wilder tactical UBL leg strap assembly, which is compatible with True North. It also swivels
@@ng7882 was it a much better upgrade (comfort-wise) over the leg strap that True North sells? A lot of folks say you don't even need a leg strap due to the rigidity of the True North.
Great video! Watching from Poland. Can you sit whilst wearing a MHA drop leg panel? About to buy one and thought it might be uncomfortable. Thanks Hamish
I switched to the MHA from the UBL. I like the adjustability and stiffness of metal vs plastic (less flipping). The only issue I’ve had is the metal presses against the rivets on my jeans making things uncomfortable. Similar to their holster pad, I got the Shaw concepts pad because it has a built it leg strap. Once installed, the MHA is pretty much perfect.
While it doesn't address the weight of the QUBL, Wilder Tactical sell a modified version that slips through the molle on a belt just like the MHA. Their leg strap also mounts on a swivel, allowing it to move a bit more with you. I like it, but may try the MHA next time around.
No need to wait. At the end of this current video, we cover that the Safariland UBL for duty use all the way because it is lighter. Weight is the only thing that negatively impacts performance as much temperature.
Great video. If I didn’t already have a Safariland setup I would definitely go with the True North rig. Thanks Qore for being a freedom loving company!
You're welcome and good choice! The MHA is awesome, no doubt. We love it. But, if you already have a Safariland setup and it is working for you, then run with it for sure. Do what works for you. #StayFrosty
I recently picked up the true north concepts in odg. And it’s fantastic. It LOCKS in place and doesn’t move at all like the ubl did I used zip ties to attempt to keep the ubl in place. But the true north has so many beneficial features. Which is why I made the switch and I am genuinely thankful that I did. I also was able to create a negative cant for a better draw
Consider building a holster pad for ANR design Holster mount. The Aero pad isn't a perfect fit, and there is a little hot spot at the Widest point lower corner of the mount.
We don't have a specific release date yet (they are currently in production), but all of our new product drops and restocks, including our IceVents Classic MHA Holster Pad release, go exclusively to our LaunchPad email subs. We don't announces new releases or restocks on social media (trying to minimize our dependence on BigTech). Here is the link to sign-up: www.qoreperformance.com/pages/launchpad
Very good comparison vid bud. I am building my first battle-belt and have found the whole ordeal very daunting. I'm not a competition guy or a military guy so my knowledge on the subject is limited. I'm also Canadian so finding peers with this train of thought is near impossible. Lol. I just believe a fella should be able to protect his family if it came down to it and having a rig that can actually hold all your gear rather than stuffing pistols and mags in pockets and waistbands.... is a good idea. It's a quick grab-&-go deal. I have spent weeks trying to figure out what to buy and I have it all figured out. I have a CZ Shadow 2 and for its configuration I'm going with the Blue Alpha Battle Belt Lite, a Redhill Tactical Level 2 holster, True North MHA, and the Safariland QLS kit. I also have a Spartan Difensa coming with both the leather and kydex sheath. I was going to get Esstac Kiwi mag pouches for my CZ mags but the buggers don't make them.... so I am still on the hunt for mag pouches. This gear is pricey but it's definitely fun and enlightening building a kit!
I love AWS INC, great customer service and products! And love my UBLs. Love your video on True North Concepts! Witty sense of humor and splendid shooting. Great gear review. New subscriber from the video! You are so funny! Very enjoyable video!!!! Just may get one of these True North Concepts !
Is the MHA attachment system big enough for a 2.25" duty belt? I want to add the QLS to my holster so I can take the whole holster off when checking individuals into a detention center. Could I use a high ride ubl with the MHA bar to attach it to my belt? I would just use my current mid UBL but I don't want it sticking out and off my body too far.
How does the MHA do with sitting though? I plan on running a drop leg with a strap and Thats the one thing I keep coming back to because it looks so rigid. If youre running and gunnin', bending, standing and everything in between; how is this thing with a leg strap attached if youre on one knee?? Thats what I wish was in the video.
Honestly, not great. We basically don’t run the MHA anymore for a number of reasons that we’ll cover in a 2023 update to this video. It basically comes down to too much metal that you don’t/can’t use, but still have to carry around and gets in the way. We now run UBLs exclusively on all team belts at the shop and have been for some time.
I went with True North. I run a beretta m9 like a fudd! and i like that i can mount super low so the muzzle clears the holster without me raising up my shoulder or putting my elbow too far back.
Thanks. The True North adapter is my choice after watching this and the cheap knock-off kits on Amazon are $40 for everything right now, including the QLS pieces. I know, knock-offs are bad, but CANT beat the price.
@@QorePerformanceUSA If you get a chance try the Wilder tactical UbL... May not make as much a difference with the pads y'all developed but it was a great investment for me
Possibly. Depends on demand. This is the first mention we’ve even seen of that product, so it may not have the demand/volume we need to build a dedicated ICEVENTS® solution for it.
@@QorePerformanceUSA very understandable. But maybe a set of various sized ice vents for custom use could be a feasible idea. Or maybe i'll just buy a similar sized ice vent and go to town on it with a pair of scissors and duct tape...
How do these factors boost or impede end-user performance? How would you define the testing parameters for impact/rubbing? We’re happy to look at any/all new testing parameters as long as they have clearly defined relevance to the end-user.
@@QorePerformanceUSA The hardness of the exterior of some holsters, accessories and gear hung on your kit can make too much noise and impede Stealth when moving alerting Enemy combatants of Your presence. the noise you make moving through a structure or through the outdoors can be critical to your mission and survival. Having Gear with softer materials on it's exterior in some critical spots will less likelier make noise when pulling out, tools, small gear or rubbing against a wall,vehicle, rocks or brush. Kydex or aluminum really sound off when it is rubbed ,tagged or dragged on something hard for instance when you bump the butt of your rifle again Your not Leather or Cordura covered holster or plastic not rubber pistol grip. It's just Noise discipline to consider these things unless You SOP is to let them know you are coming.
Nice review ,good points,well put together. MHA for me, with some sort of padding underneath,because it's chewing thru the pants material. As for moving with it, if it's on the exterior of the thigh, it doesn't bother me,if i put it in front of the thigh,in a sort of slight 14 a clock position,then yes ,it's rubbing and kind of impedes in some movements. (did you ever sustained a left shoulder injury or something? your constantly moving your left shoulder upwards)
With 18+ months of use under our belts (pun intended), we definitely prefer the UBL again. It has stood the test of time better. We’ll do an update video when we have full data.
Very informative video. Thanks. As a side I currently make my living hiking the mountains and desserts on the border in SoCal but I wear just green. We could use you back down here. Honor First
Out of curiosity which Safariland is able to accommodate a Glock with an Acro P2? My safariland will fit my G19 w/ Acro, but the optic hood will not fold all the way over the optic like seen in this video.
What about the issue of the Safariland "slack" in the belt loop slots? For example, the AWS SMU belt I'm running is 1.75" but the slots in the Safariland UBL are larger, leaving some slack and extra up and down movement when you draw your weapon. Anybody have a solution for this?
RDR gear makes a SAFARILAND UBL BELT WIDTH MODIFICATION that you clip onto the back of your UBL. It’s like $15 and works pretty good. I’ve also used zip ties to keep the UBL from moving and honestly that has worked better but makes it a pain when I have to switch uniform belts from my molle belt to a Sam brown.
I have two UBLs one hip and one a low ride in leather. Very heavy. I would like to try this out for range or tactical. I have a leg shroud to on my Condor elite tactical belt.
I love your video. A Safariland high ride ubl with the qls which allows some cant would solve most of the issues that you are pointing out. Those (high ride ubl) cost about $15 NOT $185. Like I said like your video you are very interesting articulate and entertaining. Too much of a hard sell in this vid.
Couldn’t agree more. After spending nearly a year in the MHA, we’ve now gone back to exactly the setup you are describing: high ride UBL. True, it is less expensive, but reduced weight and size are the money makers. The UBL is just lighter and smaller which has a huge impact on long term wear comfort and endurance. Thanks for watching the video - glad you enjoyed it! #StayFrosty
Was issued safariland I like it but added the ice vent as soon as it came in due to hot spots. I like the idea of the of the mha will be looking into it for my personal stuff.
Safariland UBL is still far and away the superior duty product based on weight alone. The MHA is great for civilian square range work because of versatility, but it is way too heavy to make a great duty option IOHO.
I’m a cop in Thailand. The prices of these stuffs are 2-3 times more expensive than in the US😢 And it’s soooo hot here, heat is the big problem. Really need those pads, it would be a lot more comfortable to me. But thing is i don’t know where to buy it here and buying things from oversea is a bit too complicated for me
Hi - while we do not yet have a distributor in Thailand, we do have distributors in Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines. The shipping might be easier from those countries if you’d like to give it a try. Otherwise, please feel free to email info [at] Qore Performance [dot] com with all of your shipping information as well as the exact products you’d like to purchase from us. We can then email you back some customized shipping options for your specific order. Hope that helps! #StayFrosty
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Anyone know of a tact holster for this set up which accommodates ROCK ISLAND 1911 10mm FS Tac double stack Tac with a Streamlight TLR 1 also suppressor ready?
The UBL is hands down our preferred choice for duty use, no question. In fact, we’ll be doing a Part II of this video in 2024 with updates. Spoiler alert: we haven’t touched our MHAs since shortly after the recording of this video. Just too heavy.
I have a Safari Land CUBL and it’s ok but I need something new. I am going to go with the MHA. I’ll just attach a Tek Lock to the top for easy on and off.
Condition Gray sling retainer catch. One of my boys put us onto it and it’s been bomb proof from getting in and out of cars, going hands on, and the classic banging it off of table corners and doorframes
Can adjust the cant with the QLS. Doesnt get to a true 0. But damn close, ubl, qls, call it done. What ive done for years. And never exoerienced a hotspot even in the dead of florida summer
Universal and Appendix don’t exist in the same universe, but we do have an AIWB ICEVENTS® solution that many customers use with full size G17s: www.qoreperformance.com/collections/holster/products/icevents-aiwb-holster-pad
Great question. Answer: not easily. After running the MHA for over a year, we’ve gone back to the UBL completely. TLDR: the MHA delivers too much of a weight and mobility penalty for versatility you only use once. The weight and mobility penalties, however, persist indefinitely.
I have a long holster adapter it's made out of leather and it sucks to heavy. The thing bumps on my leg and rubs on my leg giving me bruises. Just go to a low ride system. There 30 or 40 bucks.
For any real duty belts i really think a safariland UBL is still best ik a lot of ppl I work with use QLS sets , im sure they are good but anything that is a moving part will eventually fail regardless of how well made , I feel adding a possible failure point to a duty weapon setting is not super wise
I like my drop leg but cant for duty so I run a lowride, only downside is sitting (depending on your holster length) pushing the top of the ubl into my hip at time and hurting like hell over time. And that mha looks like it would to it even worse.
Been running the UBL for a few years and IMO it’s sub par. The rounded bottom end digs into the leg with or without a leg strap, and it naturally tips the gun handle out away from the body. SL should have just made it kin line with the leg. Just decided to put out the money for the True North.
As we mentioned in the video, we DEFINITELY recommend one of the Safariland UBL variants/family members over the True North MHA for work/duty applications. No question. The weight alone plus muscle memory best practices/training doctrine only reinforce why we feel the MHA is only good for square range/training applications. Modularity is a fleeting mistress, but weight has a permanence which is best respected.
Idk i run a CUBL low ride with a leg strap , I dont know if its really the most inavative choice but what i find is that law enforcement equipment is not alwaya somthing i want to be super inavative, I agree that on duty goinv with stuff thats been orove over decades and over thousands of ppl
Wow! You managed to make an "all in one" video and explained it in more depth and faster than ANYONE at my local gun store. (not knocking them, but let's be real, this is a niche market)
With that said, as a retired professional drummer, I understand that YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Some brands "claim" that they have ALL the solutions...in my experience this is NEVER true.
I am new to this world of never ending acronyms and am tired of cheap companies trying to sell me shit that I have to keep returning.
Thank you for helping on my quest to find the equipment that suits me!
You are most welcome. Glad you found it helpful! #StayFrosty
Great video! You covered a lot of ground in 20 minutes and was well presented. Over the last 40 years I've collected every Safariland mount you've shown, and then some. They're all now in my big holster box in the attic. For me, the True North MHA has beat Safariland hands down for six months now being worn four to seven days a week and eight to twelve hours per day! Not even a hint of hot spot problems so far and I haven't had a need for a leg strap with the MHA. Keep up the good work!
Thank you - glad you enjoyed it!
I tried using the MHA for a while. It's a nice piece although I ended up getting rid of it and switched to using a CUBL. The MHA is infinitely more uncomfortable than the CUBL for me, and I also found the amount of customization on the MHA to essentially he worthless, since most people will simply find the exact setup that works for them and then never touch it again.
This is 100% accurate. Smart move and great gouge. Thanks for sharing. #StayFrosty
Same here. I switched back to the UBL from the MHA.
I needed to read this. Almost bought an MHA but decided against it. 😂. Just got a CUBL today on accident thinking it was a standard mid ride. I'm actually kinda happy with it now as I had been wanting to bring up my holster a bit and even out the positive cant.
I'm using ANR design holster mount (standard non short model). It Solves 3 problems which are the slopness of oversized belt loop of normal UBL to fit large belts (the ANR is made to fit either 1.5" or 1.75" belts), it is Cantable, it is also slightly lower than Mid ride (I am not sure if it is about the same as Low Ride UBL as i don't have low ride). I did add the Qore performance Aero holster pad to it, No real hot spots, but still testing it out.
Awesome video dudes! Knocked it out of the park. You guys helped me decide to get the TNC MHA rig. Mainly due to the molle attachment and simplicity
Good choice and glad it was helpful! #StayFrosty
this video literally answered every question i had about all these mounting options that is quite confusing. thank you
Our pleasure! Glad it was helpful for you👊🏻 #StayFrosty
I'm an experience shooter looking to modernize my gun belt a little bit, and I learned a lot. Thx brothers, for this video.
My question is wearing the True North on a patrol shift for 12hrs in a vehicle… any input would be appreciated, thanks!
Although we only briefly mentioned this in the video, Safariland UBL is the way to go for patrol or any professional duty use application. MHA is just too much metal, weight, and size (optionality) that isn’t working for you 99% of the time.
@@QorePerformanceUSA After watching your video and reading the comments, it seems the TNC MHA is a better choice for range commando's. not those who are out on the beat. Safariland Cantable UBL are now available and with the addition of some quality padding (IceVents), is a way to go for patrol work.
Hope to see Safariland address the belt attachment limitations along the way TNC MHA and Blackhawk holsters have. BTW, I have run a Serpa Level 3 for 10 years and will be moving to the T-Series in the future. #StayFrosty
The shade thrown at Amazon makes me happy. Like Walmart, sometimes they just have the thing you need, but I will always avoid giving these companies money if at all possible.
Every little bit helps! The game with the giants is more “death by a thousand cuts” as opposed to a single lethal blow.
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Thru trial and error. I found a Safariland high ride CUBL was the way to go for me. +1 for actually mentioning higher ride and comfort. Great video.
Thanks - glad it was helpful for you.
I think the real holster adapters were the ice vents aero that changed the comfort level of wearing a holster for the rest of eternity...that we found along the way.
I run UBLs. I have both long and medium that I use for different assignments. I also have a Safariland small drop leg that sees use on specific assignments. I use QLS adapters for each UBL, and I have a female QLS mounted horizontally on the left side of my armor carrier. Why? A holster mounted in the traditional location, but on a UBL pushes the business end deep into your vehicle seat, thus compromising the material and padding below, and, due to resistance, pushing your body into imbalance. Those of us that do the job tend to retire with enough health issues as it is, I see no reason to add more. Now, my pistol is at hand height while driving, and can be moved to traditional location in less time than it takes to get out of my seat belt.
I have the MHA set up for other work, with an entirely different type of belt set up. No issues to report, that I did not already anticipate.
Like most things in the realm of gunfighting equipment, there is no one answer. I have a box with well over $1000 worth of Milt Spark holsters and belts from 20+ years ago when I first started carrying 1911s daily. Today, I have added to that box, a room full of vests, belts, adapters and do-hickeys that have all been given a fair shot at the starting lineup. Some were starters - champions even. But as they aged, other products were brought to market and did something a little bit better. There is no one answer. There is no free lunch. You have to open your wallet. Then you have to open your calendar. Spend the money and the time to give yourself the best chance to be the best you.
I noticed that for the price of the safariland cost analysis you chose to add up the UBL, VUBL, QSL, FORK, CUBL DFA, and leg strap vs the True north concepts you only took into consideration the MHA and the leg strap, which begs me to ask how am i going to quickly connect and remove my gun with the holster (If i don't have the fork that safariland sells) if that wasn't included in the cost analysis. Kinda of a little biased no? Great comparison truly but I'm genuinely asking as I am considering one of these options.
The cost of the Safariland QLS Fork was omitted b/c it is a constant on all platforms.
I agree I felt like maybe he should’ve just added the cost of the most expensive belt loop and leg strap to show potentially what the most expensive option would be…
Not wrong, need to add the cost of a QLS 22 with the true north otherwise it's just a piece of alloy 🤣 where as the safariland belt mounts come with the 22 included in the price!
Great video, nice break down of where and why. Retired in 2005, we didn’t such options.
You're a nerd, but I appreciate that. 🤣 I'm still experimenting to see what works and and swapping to the high rise UBL to see how that works out. The mid has been causing more issues than I'd like.
Actually went to your shop and bought the padding. Thank you.
Our pleasure and thank you for your business! #StayFrosty
One thing you forgot is that with a true North Concepts, you have more belt room then on the Safariland product. A couple inches altogether can make a significant difference.
Good point.
I really enjoyed this video, I am currently building a belt setup for general larping and some competition use. I really like the mha and plan on getting one eventually but I was able to snag a ubl mid in a bargain bin for $10 and so I decided to go that route for now
Glad you enjoyed it! Smart move on the UBL - it is all you need. We don’t run MHAs anymore. Too much weight and bulk for adjustability you only need for discovery once.
@@QorePerformanceUSA good to know. I've also been eyeing some ice vents, specifically the one that fits the ubl, guess I'll have to give them a try.
Excellent breakdown... love seeing someone getting down to the nuts and bolts. Good work QP.
Our pleasure - glad you enjoyed it.
That MHA looks really tall, are you able to sit down on a bench seat or other flat surface without the bottom hitting and pushing your belt up? Plastic mounts usually have enough flex and give to account for that and I've not seen any as tall as the MHA. That and the lack of spacing away from the leg are my biggest concerns. I run Blade Tech TMMS on a drop offset attachment from a Tek-Lok, but want to convert to an ALS holster from Safariland and this adaptor seems like the ticket to bring both those worlds together, if it works
Good observation - it is really tall. While actual mileage may vary, size along with the weight and lots of un-useable versatility are why we now run UBL almost exclusively. Ounce equal pounds and pounds equal pain…
@@QorePerformanceUSA Any suggestions on belt mounts that work with the Safariland 3 hole pattern but don't require you to slide a belt through? My leather belts are too thick and my web belts are all stitched in cobra buckles.
I bought a gbrs v2 assaulter belt, safariland als holster with the qls and the true north mha with leg strap. Super excited to get it set up
How do you like your setup? I'm going with the MHA and Safariland QLS adapters on my Redhill Tactical holster as well. Does the True North MHA get in the way when you sit down etc? Being that it isn't flexible?
This is the first video to truly explain all this stuff. Thank you.
Our pleasure - glad it was helpful! #StayFrosty
wow man huge respect for covering everything so concisely and quick without wasting time on bullshit, subed
Our pleasure and thank you! #StayFrosty
I found and ordered my True North just recently. I also ordered the wilder tactical UBL leg strap assembly, which is compatible with True North. It also swivels
The swivel leg strap assembly is what I was sold on, but it cost 50 bucks
@@ng7882 was it a much better upgrade (comfort-wise) over the leg strap that True North sells? A lot of folks say you don't even need a leg strap due to the rigidity of the True North.
I went TNC for both my rig. Your video was a good source of information, thank you.
Our pleasure!
Great video! Watching from Poland. Can you sit whilst wearing a MHA drop leg panel? About to buy one and thought it might be uncomfortable. Thanks Hamish
We’ll cover this in our update video that is in production right now. Should be dropping in June.
This video is so informative and allows for the potential consumer to make the best decision based on important details. Keep up the awesome work!
Glad it was helpful!
I switched to the MHA from the UBL. I like the adjustability and stiffness of metal vs plastic (less flipping). The only issue I’ve had is the metal presses against the rivets on my jeans making things uncomfortable. Similar to their holster pad, I got the Shaw concepts pad because it has a built it leg strap. Once installed, the MHA is pretty much perfect.
While it doesn't address the weight of the QUBL, Wilder Tactical sell a modified version that slips through the molle on a belt just like the MHA. Their leg strap also mounts on a swivel, allowing it to move a bit more with you. I like it, but may try the MHA next time around.
I like the looks of that Wilder MHP. Looks the the best of both combined. Thank you.
Question would you pick the True North over the Blade Bech Tek Mount System?
Neither. Safariland UBL. Update video coming in 1Q23.
@@QorePerformanceUSA ok... I'll consider waiting then. Looking to adjust my security gear. 1Q January? Cause 1Q is a 3 month window?
No need to wait. At the end of this current video, we cover that the Safariland UBL for duty use all the way because it is lighter. Weight is the only thing that negatively impacts performance as much temperature.
Are you saying the Blade Tech Tek Mount system is noticeable heavier Than the UBL system?
What is the tourniquet wrap at 1:14 called?
Have you guys reviewed the Strike Industries Ricci holster adapter? Great review, thanks!
Great video. If I didn’t already have a Safariland setup I would definitely go with the True North rig. Thanks Qore for being a freedom loving company!
You're welcome and good choice! The MHA is awesome, no doubt. We love it. But, if you already have a Safariland setup and it is working for you, then run with it for sure. Do what works for you. #StayFrosty
I recently picked up the true north concepts in odg. And it’s fantastic. It LOCKS in place and doesn’t move at all like the ubl did I used zip ties to attempt to keep the ubl in place. But the true north has so many beneficial features. Which is why I made the switch and I am genuinely thankful that I did. I also was able to create a negative cant for a better draw
what are you using to secure the tourniquet to the holster?
Consider building a holster pad for ANR design Holster mount. The Aero pad isn't a perfect fit, and there is a little hot spot at the Widest point lower corner of the mount.
If we get enough demand, no problem.
Yeah the ANR is a great piece of kit. Prefer it over the Safariland. And it comes in multicam to be super tacticool!
Super helpful video in terms of deciding on a Safariland config. I ultimately chose the True North Concepts MHA. Love it!
When is the IceVents Classic for the MHA going to be available?
We don't have a specific release date yet (they are currently in production), but all of our new product drops and restocks, including our IceVents Classic MHA Holster Pad release, go exclusively to our LaunchPad email subs. We don't announces new releases or restocks on social media (trying to minimize our dependence on BigTech).
Here is the link to sign-up:
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@@QorePerformanceUSA Thanks. I'm signed up.
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Very good comparison vid bud. I am building my first battle-belt and have found the whole ordeal very daunting. I'm not a competition guy or a military guy so my knowledge on the subject is limited. I'm also Canadian so finding peers with this train of thought is near impossible. Lol. I just believe a fella should be able to protect his family if it came down to it and having a rig that can actually hold all your gear rather than stuffing pistols and mags in pockets and waistbands.... is a good idea. It's a quick grab-&-go deal. I have spent weeks trying to figure out what to buy and I have it all figured out. I have a CZ Shadow 2 and for its configuration I'm going with the Blue Alpha Battle Belt Lite, a Redhill Tactical Level 2 holster, True North MHA, and the Safariland QLS kit. I also have a Spartan Difensa coming with both the leather and kydex sheath. I was going to get Esstac Kiwi mag pouches for my CZ mags but the buggers don't make them.... so I am still on the hunt for mag pouches. This gear is pricey but it's definitely fun and enlightening building a kit!
There really should be a more centralized & complete resource in one place. It’s harder than it needs to be.
I love AWS INC, great customer service and products! And love my UBLs. Love your video on True North Concepts! Witty sense of humor and splendid shooting. Great gear review. New subscriber from the video! You are so funny! Very enjoyable video!!!! Just may get one of these True North Concepts !
Glad you enjoyed it and even more happy that you found it helpful!
Is the MHA attachment system big enough for a 2.25" duty belt? I want to add the QLS to my holster so I can take the whole holster off when checking individuals into a detention center. Could I use a high ride ubl with the MHA bar to attach it to my belt? I would just use my current mid UBL but I don't want it sticking out and off my body too far.
Damn, I'm shopping for a belt rig now and you've convinced me to get the MHA......
Do you know when you will have the ice pads back in stock for the tru north?
In stock and shipping now:
www.qoreperformance.com/collections/holster/products/icevents-classic-holster-pad-truenorthconcepts-mha
What safariland holster is that with the hood? Seems the acro fits under it.
How does the MHA do with sitting though? I plan on running a drop leg with a strap and Thats the one thing I keep coming back to because it looks so rigid. If youre running and gunnin', bending, standing and everything in between; how is this thing with a leg strap attached if youre on one knee?? Thats what I wish was in the video.
Honestly, not great. We basically don’t run the MHA anymore for a number of reasons that we’ll cover in a 2023 update to this video. It basically comes down to too much metal that you don’t/can’t use, but still have to carry around and gets in the way. We now run UBLs exclusively on all team belts at the shop and have been for some time.
I went with True North. I run a beretta m9 like a fudd! and i like that i can mount super low so the muzzle clears the holster without me raising up my shoulder or putting my elbow too far back.
Thanks. The True North adapter is my choice after watching this and the cheap knock-off kits on Amazon are $40 for everything right now, including the QLS pieces. I know, knock-offs are bad, but CANT beat the price.
So you fly a Texas Flag as your avatar and then buy ChiCom counterfeits???
@@QorePerformanceUSA Yup exactly. Someone is perturbed! It doesn't bother me, but I see you're struggling.
Where can I get the strap you have on your holster for the tourniquet ?
Have you tried the Wilder tactical safariland ubl modified mid ride hanger truly changes the setup for me
Not yet, but we’ve all pretty much gone exclusively UBL now b/c it is just so much lighter and less material.
@@QorePerformanceUSA If you get a chance try the Wilder tactical UbL... May not make as much a difference with the pads y'all developed but it was a great investment for me
What belt are you running at the beginning?
what holsters fit the UBL?
Have both, TNC is a game changer for me. Flat range work and training classes. The draw is super consistent and solid💯
so do these work with a EDC belt ? or must I have the War belt
Do you have to use a qls system to mount to safariland to mhs?
Or can u mount the holster straight to the mhs?
You do not have to have the QLS, the MHA comes with hardware for mounting it either way
Could you do an ice vent for the Wilder Tactical rotating UBL leg strap assembly?
Possibly. Depends on demand. This is the first mention we’ve even seen of that product, so it may not have the demand/volume we need to build a dedicated ICEVENTS® solution for it.
@@QorePerformanceUSA very understandable. But maybe a set of various sized ice vents for custom use could be a feasible idea. Or maybe i'll just buy a similar sized ice vent and go to town on it with a pair of scissors and duct tape...
What tq strap is that?
Safariland didn't deliver my UBL, so I've been looking at other options. I dig the consistency of having it go through MOLLE loops.
What was the old job this guy is alluding to?
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You should talk about how noisy the Unlined Plastic Holsters are during the draw or when they impact or rub on something.
How do these factors boost or impede end-user performance? How would you define the testing parameters for impact/rubbing? We’re happy to look at any/all new testing parameters as long as they have clearly defined relevance to the end-user.
@@QorePerformanceUSA The hardness of the exterior of some holsters, accessories and gear hung on your kit can make too much noise and impede Stealth when moving alerting Enemy combatants of Your presence. the noise you make moving through a structure or through the outdoors can be critical to your mission and survival. Having Gear with softer materials on it's exterior in some critical spots will less likelier make noise when pulling out, tools, small gear or rubbing against a wall,vehicle, rocks or brush. Kydex or aluminum really sound off when it is rubbed ,tagged or dragged on something hard for instance when you bump the butt of your rifle again Your not Leather or Cordura covered holster or plastic not rubber pistol grip. It's just Noise discipline to consider these things unless You SOP is to let them know you are coming.
Nice review ,good points,well put together.
MHA for me, with some sort of padding underneath,because it's chewing thru the pants material. As for moving with it, if it's on the exterior of the thigh, it doesn't bother me,if i put it in front of the thigh,in a sort of slight 14 a clock position,then yes ,it's rubbing and kind of impedes in some movements.
(did you ever sustained a left shoulder injury or something? your constantly moving your left shoulder upwards)
With 18+ months of use under our belts (pun intended), we definitely prefer the UBL again. It has stood the test of time better. We’ll do an update video when we have full data.
What is the strap you're using for the TQ on the green holster?
That would be the Condition Gray Sling Retainer.
Very informative video. Thanks. As a side I currently make my living hiking the mountains and desserts on the border in SoCal but I wear just green. We could use you back down here. Honor First
Awesome - loved working with y’all. Best Jump Tracking skills around. #StayFrosty brother👊🏻
Awesome content very refreshing. you earned a subscriber!
Thanks for your support!
Out of curiosity which Safariland is able to accommodate a Glock with an Acro P2? My safariland will fit my G19 w/ Acro, but the optic hood will not fold all the way over the optic like seen in this video.
Where did you find an acro p2?!
What about the issue of the Safariland "slack" in the belt loop slots? For example, the AWS SMU belt I'm running is 1.75" but the slots in the Safariland UBL are larger, leaving some slack and extra up and down movement when you draw your weapon. Anybody have a solution for this?
RDR gear makes a SAFARILAND UBL BELT WIDTH MODIFICATION that you clip onto the back of your UBL. It’s like $15 and works pretty good. I’ve also used zip ties to keep the UBL from moving and honestly that has worked better but makes it a pain when I have to switch uniform belts from my molle belt to a Sam brown.
I have two UBLs one hip and one a low ride in leather. Very heavy. I would like to try this out for range or tactical. I have a leg shroud to on my Condor elite tactical belt.
I use a VUBL with the Safariland pad and have never had a hotspot issue.
I love your video. A Safariland high ride ubl with the qls which allows some cant would solve most of the issues that you are pointing out. Those (high ride ubl) cost about $15 NOT $185. Like I said like your video you are very interesting articulate and entertaining. Too much of a hard sell in this vid.
Couldn’t agree more. After spending nearly a year in the MHA, we’ve now gone back to exactly the setup you are describing: high ride UBL. True, it is less expensive, but reduced weight and size are the money makers. The UBL is just lighter and smaller which has a huge impact on long term wear comfort and endurance. Thanks for watching the video - glad you enjoyed it! #StayFrosty
I just use my extra helmet pads and stick then to UBL lol. But sometimes they fall out. I think I'm going to have to buy one of these lol.
Great breakdown, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Was issued safariland I like it but added the ice vent as soon as it came in due to hot spots. I like the idea of the of the mha will be looking into it for my personal stuff.
Safariland UBL is still far and away the superior duty product based on weight alone. The MHA is great for civilian square range work because of versatility, but it is way too heavy to make a great duty option IOHO.
I’m a cop in Thailand. The prices of these stuffs are 2-3 times more expensive than in the US😢 And it’s soooo hot here, heat is the big problem. Really need those pads, it would be a lot more comfortable to me. But thing is i don’t know where to buy it here and buying things from oversea is a bit too complicated for me
Hi - while we do not yet have a distributor in Thailand, we do have distributors in Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines. The shipping might be easier from those countries if you’d like to give it a try. Otherwise, please feel free to email info [at] Qore Performance [dot] com with all of your shipping information as well as the exact products you’d like to purchase from us. We can then email you back some customized shipping options for your specific order. Hope that helps! #StayFrosty
@@QorePerformanceUSA thanks for the info! I’ll definitely check it out
A company reviewing something from 2 other companies honestly….. unexpected but not unappreciated
Honesty is the only thing we know. Some people think it can be harsh or too direct, some don't like what we have to say, but we'll always tell the truth. Politics just isn't our game.
@@QorePerformanceUSA I respect that
Anyone know of a tact holster for this set up which accommodates ROCK ISLAND 1911 10mm FS Tac double stack Tac with a Streamlight TLR 1 also suppressor ready?
I have both,waiting on my other belt to try the true north concepts
How is the safariland drop flex compares to ubl?
UBL all the way.
Ice belt pads ?
Affirm. Click on BELT to see all options:
www.qoreperformance.com/collections/icevents-kits
Love the channel but I feel you did Safariland a little dirty on the pries lol.
The UBL is hands down our preferred choice for duty use, no question. In fact, we’ll be doing a Part II of this video in 2024 with updates. Spoiler alert: we haven’t touched our MHAs since shortly after the recording of this video. Just too heavy.
I have a Safari Land CUBL and it’s ok but I need something new. I am going to go with the MHA. I’ll just attach a Tek Lock to the top for easy on and off.
What’s the strap holding the tq on the holster
Condition Gray sling retainer catch. One of my boys put us onto it and it’s been bomb proof from getting in and out of cars, going hands on, and the classic banging it off of table corners and doorframes
@@ItsDuranDuran13 sweet thanks man, just bought one
Looks like the $5 padded strap used to hold skis together. I see no difference
Im using Shaw concepts, sidecick v2.
Period.
Slow n Smooth Smooth is Fast.
Cheers
Can adjust the cant with the QLS. Doesnt get to a true 0. But damn close, ubl, qls, call it done. What ive done for years. And never exoerienced a hotspot even in the dead of florida summer
Great video thanks for the information
Our pleasure!
You need to come up with some universal appendix carry ice vent options. Those of us who AIWB carry full sized guns need more help than anyone, lol.
Universal and Appendix don’t exist in the same universe, but we do have an AIWB ICEVENTS® solution that many customers use with full size G17s:
www.qoreperformance.com/collections/holster/products/icevents-aiwb-holster-pad
Who makes the best holster?
Go Safariland UBL + Safariland holster (6354DO is our favorite).
That is Peacemaker training Center isn't it??
Yup. Used to shoot there until their annual member fee went up by 4x when they were bought out by a company from California.
I just bought a Safariland Glock 21
holster like the black one in this video used for $15.00 in a pawn shop.
What retailer sells MHA?
My question is, how do you sit down wearing the MHA?
Great question. Answer: not easily. After running the MHA for over a year, we’ve gone back to the UBL completely. TLDR: the MHA delivers too much of a weight and mobility penalty for versatility you only use once. The weight and mobility penalties, however, persist indefinitely.
Safariland GLS holsters and blade tech tmms worked for me. Tek-lok for accessories.
Very helpful video, thanks.
Our pleasure!
They make a adapter for Gcode to fit safariland qls holes
Thank you for this video everything makes sense now ❤️
You're so welcome! #StayFrosty
I have a long holster adapter it's made out of leather and it sucks to heavy. The thing bumps on my leg and rubs on my leg giving me bruises. Just go to a low ride system. There 30 or 40 bucks.
For any real duty belts i really think a safariland UBL is still best ik a lot of ppl I work with use QLS sets , im sure they are good but anything that is a moving part will eventually fail regardless of how well made , I feel adding a possible failure point to a duty weapon setting is not super wise
Over time, we’ve found that the Safariland UBL/QLS system just cannot be beat.
I like my drop leg but cant for duty so I run a lowride, only downside is sitting (depending on your holster length) pushing the top of the ubl into my hip at time and hurting like hell over time. And that mha looks like it would to it even worse.
It does. We stopped running them a long time ago: too heavy, too stiff, too uncomfortable, too many features you don’t use everyday.
Been running the UBL for a few years and IMO it’s sub par. The rounded bottom end digs into the leg with or without a leg strap, and it naturally tips the gun handle out away from the body. SL should have just made it kin line with the leg. Just decided to put out the money for the True North.
i have been running the mid rid with the UBL pad for work. this video is making me spend more money
As we mentioned in the video, we DEFINITELY recommend one of the Safariland UBL variants/family members over the True North MHA for work/duty applications. No question. The weight alone plus muscle memory best practices/training doctrine only reinforce why we feel the MHA is only good for square range/training applications. Modularity is a fleeting mistress, but weight has a permanence which is best respected.
@@QorePerformanceUSA I am definitely going to grab the Ice vent
Rock on and #StayFrosty
Great video, all clear now - like and sub :)
Awesome, thank you!
@@QorePerformanceUSA Greetings from Gdańsk, Poland :)
Idk i run a CUBL low ride with a leg strap , I dont know if its really the most inavative choice but what i find is that law enforcement equipment is not alwaya somthing i want to be super inavative, I agree that on duty goinv with stuff thats been orove over decades and over thousands of ppl
very good info thank you
Why don’t you like the omnivore?