Let's Talk About Vernestra - Star Wars Explained Weekly Q&A
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How did the Stranger get his scar? Will Vernestra throw Sol under the bus? These questions and more answered in this week's Q&A!
Read Maggie's interview on Collider: collider.com/the-acolyte-epis...
0:00 Intro
5:48 How did the Stranger get that scar?
15:56 Will Sol take the blame for the murders?
19:58 Is the Unknown Planet Ahch-To?
22:25 Can the Stranger not be stunned?
25:25 Is the Mother going to be in Ahsoka?
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Watching you guys be so enthusiastic about the show and pointing out it's good and its bad in a respectful way is really refreshing vs most SW channels who are nitpicking things that have been issues in SW for decades.
I’m sooooooo sick of the mindless, exaggerated, conformist negativity - in Star Wars, Game of Thrones, and Tolkien “fan” communities and channels. I tune it all out now.
And it’s sad that in this charged and depressing environment, even showing a hint of positivity or fairness is considered “selling out”, as if the negativity supporters are neo-hippies without even understanding what that truly means.
You know why people nitpick it? It’s not a good show over all, and it’s hard to place why. So all the complaints turn into what sounds like nitpicking.
Is the acting and writing bad in the movies? 100%, but it feels good, so those things get overlooked. When it’s bad people nitpick it. Claiming that people are just nitpicking it, doesn’t invalidate what they say.
@StamfordBridge I get the shows not perfect and episode 3 could have been better written and acted but I don't think it's nearly as bad as people are making it seem.
@boromir2099 I never said it invalidates anything. I said I'm personally tired of it. And it is nitpicking when the first major argument of the series were lightsabers too thick, and fire in space bad.
If Vernestra is Qimir's master then that's actually quite poetically tragic. Considering she managed to save her first Padawan Imri from the dark side but not a future Padawan.
If true, u can't save everyone
It's a bit like an inverse of Obi-wan. He failed with Anakin, but succeeded with Reva.
@@garbotoxins840 I'd argue Reva saved herself. She made the decision to spare Luke with no one else's influence.
Molly made a great point. So many fans tend to grip their expectations so tightly that when they aren't met it leaves them angry. It's a stupid way to go about things.
That's why Kenobi wasn't great for me in the moment but I've tried to be fair to it since my expectations were unrealistic because Hayden and Ewan were back together. It was not perfect by any means but I was unnecessarily hard on it because I had astronomical expectations
This. This is how human beings get dissapointed in every aspect of life itself. Everything is measured against an expectation. I think it's amplified when you are a "fan" of something, somethiing that brings you great joy. I completely understand why part of the fandom is dissapointed with Disney Star Wars. I'm not, but I think I can understand it. But this is the nature of things. Nothing anybody can do about anythinig in life except be the change you want to see. Become a storyteller, become na artist, create your own worlds with your own mind. This is the ONLY way to guarantee that thing you like (the thing you actually created) is going to meet your expectations.
@@ichigen511 I get the disappointment of expectations. The "projection" of Luke that we got in TLJ was the Luke that I had in my head from the moment that we learned about there being new films. I just wasn't so subscribed to it that it ruined the films for me.
@@jsavage6355 I thought The Force Awakens set the proper expectations for a Star Wars trope. The fallen master. Yoda. Obi-Wan. Then Luke. The Force Awakens said Luke disappeared. Han Solo said Luke disappeared because he failed ot properly train Ben. I am and will always be flabergasted as to what the fandom was expecting us to find when Luke appeared. A super hero powered Jedi bad-ass? Based on what the previous movie setup? Do people even know how stories work? Do people know that Star Wars is the story of coming of age, it's selfish v selfless, it's falure and redemption. It's never been anything else than that. Never. The Last Jedi was par for the course. If anybody was expecting something else from Luke they simply have never (and probably never will) understand what Star Wars is.
I don’t hold too much to my theories, Molly can whip me any time she likes!
This channel just became my fav SW channel, I couldn't keep up before cause my eng was terrible, but now, I finally can watch ur talks... Love ur content ✨️
Whips don’t really leave curved scars IRL. They leave straight or mostly straight scars, because you don’t get hit by the side, you get hit by the end. Not saying a lightwhip isn’t different, just saying that whips don’t really do that just because they’re curved.
That said, lightening does leave forking and non-straight scars when people are struck. Granted often more wild that Qimir’s but just saying.
That's a good point. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the direction they took this.
Maybe she laid it on top his back to sizzle for punishment. Bc light whips aren't as powerful as sabers...🤷🏾♂️
@@leebishop7591 That would be an explanation for the scar, as it does have the look of a burn scar. I'd be very interested in how they explained Vernestra becoming someone who would do that though.
@tacobowler I was just joking, but it just seems like a classic case of Hollywood not knowing how weapons work, like guns and bat swing effects.
To be fair, nobody did any research before writing this show.
I think with how they've treated Qimir in regard to screen time, build up, and atmosphere. I just don't quite get Vernestra being the Sith Master. I get her having secrets, they've telegraphed that, but the Sith are overflowing with hatred and seething, the universes' most evil dark side users. Sledge hammer to crack a nut? A Jedi tried to control a situation then it got out of her control seems way more normal to me.
Could be wrong here, but I think the Light Whip shot was a deliberate misdirect. Qimir could have been lying about being a Jedi. Maybe he instead really was trained by a Sith (which would explain his extensive knowledge of Jedi practices *but also his quotations of the Sith code*), and later he was discarded by his master, left for dead, or assumed dead, but survived.
Ooo yeah, maybe she just had a hyperspace vision of Qimir becoming a Sith so she Uncle Luked him but with her light whip and more successfully.
Q&A: With the hideous backlash to the cast of this show by toxic people online, do you think something worse could happen to the cast of Skeleton Crew? I hope personally that the show is delayed, just because I hope the kid actors aren't traumatized forever. Jake Lloyd suffered so much because of what happened to him after The Phantom Menace. 😔 Not to mention Moses Ingram, Ahmed Best and Kelly Marie Tran.
People can be so cruel. I have loved Star Wars since about 1985, I grew up reading the EU books, I didn’t like The Prequel trilogy, but I didn’t take it out on any of the actors.
I still don't think that Qimir was a Jedi.
Osha asked him who he is and he said that he was a Jedi a long time ago. That's basically what the Sith were. So I think that he's saying in a typical Qimir roundabout way that he's a Sith.
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Unless it was on a low power setting, wouldn’t the light whip have cut straight through him like a normal lightsaber blade? Also I imagine a lot more uncontrolled momentum is behind a lightwhip strike and more difficult to pull back than a typical lightsaber blade.
Everybody on that show is up to something
Yeah that’s something I noticed… everyone on this show is very sketchy.
Would love to see them play Among Us
I’m hoping that Vernestra isn’t going to be Qimir’s sith master and instead be his former Jedi master.
The thing I’m questioning is will Sol leave the Jedi order at the end of the Acolyte. Maybe he could be one of the Lost 20 or something like that.
Sad when it is easily predictable they need to fire the that's that made the story
Sol being one of the lost 20 is quite the cool idea, I’d really like that
I hope we see more lightsaber varieties. We need Jedi with saberstaffs, hinged-sabers, dual wielders, and crossguards. As well as more colours. Unless this is set after the time when those things are common. What exactly made them less common by the prequel era anyway?
That would be awesome
Also tonfa
What Molly said at the end about everyone accepting it as fact online… that is exactly what Mike Zeroh did with The Last Jedi before it came out. He put a load of bull on his channel about the movie, his viewers took it as fact and then hated the movie when it came out cause nothing he said came true.
Starwars has a lot of fans I feel not very careful about this , ton of liars on the net
I could talk about Vernestra the entire day.
A couple of things. 1) Whips don't leave curvy marks when struck. 2) I don't read the books, but if she is one of the EVILs, I will 100% be reading the books. 3) We enjoyed being spoiled that Darth Vader was Anakin and were glued to Clone Wars. I like this strategy if they are cooking this way. 4) I think if Vernestra IS a sith lord, possibly a apprentice of Tenabres, her being in the Jedi would be HUGE leading up to what we see in Phantom Menace and beyond. What better way to change the way of the Jedi and influence than from within. These are just my thoughts. Love the video, and content you guys put out and thank you for being impartial and letting Disney cook in this series and not bashing it for clicks!
True, but trees also don’t fall the way they did a few eps ago, so I don’t think that will stop the writers from going there with the whip thing
She’s acting real suspicious
The two lines I find curious in this episode are Vernestra saying they were all killed by a lightsaber, which clearly Yord wasn’t. The other is Qimir using the exact phrase “power of two” to describe what he wants, suggesting a definite connection to the witches, but possibly also that what he wants is something unique to Osha / Mae, not necessarily referring just to the rule of two.
If Qimir's helmet deprives his senses, did he hear Sol's voice through the force?
In the Aurebesh alphabet, the letter "vev" or "v" is shaped like our letter "y". The scar on Qimir's back is shaped like a "y"----Vernestra's first initial.
Oh no... this is a detail deeper than I was prepared to go. And now I can't UNthink about it being a hint... DAMN YOU!!!! ❤
@@matthemming9105😅😂😅
I’m hoping it’s his sith master that gave him the scar and that he’s a failed apprentice. Maybe Tenebrous’ first apprentice.
I feel the 2+2=4/whip scars plus light whip points to Vernestra, is an intentional misdirection. Given the stranger said he was "thrown away" another possibility is that he was discarded via being sold into slavery and the whip like scars are from Zygerrian slavers.
Those little bird creatures look like miniature versions of the creature Luke got Homelander's milk from
Probably just in the same family/species
Prediction for ep 8, Sol battles Osha wearing the Stranger helmet, gives in to his anger and kills her, not realizing it was Osha till too late
Vernestra being my favorite character in the High Republic books, i would find it really sad if she was a Sith.
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I just wanted to say, please continue what you're doing. The 'silent majority, vocal minority' dynamic is in full swing in this (IMO) exceedingly entitled, energetically scarce and nihilistic world, so while you sometimes may not see it, your comment sections will eventually be fully reflective of the vibrant and grateful community you have out there. Its only a matter of time. The light will prevail, I know it. At least you give me hope that it will :)
Please keep going, in a way I realised I was not/am no longer able to. Seeing you both do what you do, brings more than a measure of solace that the positivity-and-inclusiveness movement in the online Star Wars community I left behind is alive and well.
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Do we think that Qimir is also attempting to kill a Jedi without a weapon to Vernestra, if she is the cause of his scar? Using Mae and Osha as pawns to get Vernestra to get involved?
Wasn't the lightwhip originally a dark side weapon?
Honestly, I think the Senator calling for more oversight is more likely to be the Sith master, which is disappointing for me (though it would be a great relief to HR fans), as I like the idea of a Sith successfully infiltrating the Jedi Council, whether its Vernestra or Sol.
Q&A: Do you think Qimir had came to Osha's and Mae's home planet and he might had manipulate Mae for believing Osha going to turn against the entire Witch Clan and Qimir probably killed those Witches while Mae nor any 4 Jedi never saw him killed them?
The Jedi must have done something horrible, Torbin wanted to die for forgiveness and/or didn’t want to face the counsel. Kelnacca had those witch symbols in his hutt and turned his back on the order. Sol said something about facing the counsel and him having thought 16 years about what he would say to Mae.
Did they do it on their own volition or were they manipulated into it by a witch like Mother Koril or a darksider sith like The Stranger or his master.
I think it looks like a scar from lightning. ⚡️
I like the idea of Vernestra having been constantly covered up everything and being the cause of the downfall she’s trying to stop. And it all makes the most sense if she is the Jedi who whipped the stranger. In the books, we see her cover for a Padawan, who has a moment of darkness.. Wild thought maybe as a way seeker she trained a Padawan unofficially and that is the a stranger
I think Vernestra is the "kill the dream" moment that Qimir talked about. She was his master and she has been covering up her mistakes from the council and she's already on the verge of losing the dream. Imagine being 116 and having so much baggage, and constantly sweeping them under the rug. Just from the way she looks, she looks constantly tired, and exhausted with little emotion in her voice, and the only time you hear her voice go any higher than a low is when she says to the other Jedi who suggested that Sol might of been the culprit that it was a serious accusation, almost like a subtle light bulb went on in her head. She's perfectly willing to let Sol go under the bus if its to her benefit. I don't think she's a Sith, I think she's made huge mistakes and she's hiding them cause of the shame and the implications they could bring on her.
When osha stunned Qimir I was reminded of Ezra stunning the Grand Inquisitor and him simply taking it.
It’s time for Saturday morning brunch with Alex and Mollie.
I just realized -- Qimir's shoto is specifically to counter the light whip! Call back to Luke's strategy when the light whip was first introduced in the comics!!
25:00 Yep, I totally thought "Absorb/Dissipate Energy" from the old Star Wars D6 role-playing game.
A good point about Vernestra hearing the echoes of the fight - she then immediately asks what Mog could pick up on ...maybe checking what she could or could not reveal, before immediately saying they should leave.
Regarding the stun blast: in Thrawn Alliances, it's mentioned that cortosis absorbs energy. So I think that's why the stun blast didn't work.
I don't remember where or when, but in an interview I saw Justina Ireland referred to something unfortunate happening to Vernestra in the future.
What if we have a Mad Eye Moody situation going on here where a Sith changling (Zam Wessel species) attacked Vern and has been posing as her for years and she is dead or locked away somewhere
Hi guys, love the channel. Keep the positivity coming.
Anyway, have I missed a video where you discussed Qimir saying “Master Sol, you don’t recognise me?” in Ep.5?
for a whip to cause those scars, it would have to whip him twice, because its a forked scar. my hope is on it being from force lightning instead
I also thought the back scar might be from force lightning and the whip is a red herring. But I think the “easy” answer is de rigueur given the writing so far.
There are so many planted clues and props that have a next episode pay off. It’s like the whole series is a love letter to Chekhov. 😄
Anyone else think maybe Sol is secretly Qimir's dad? The more I think about it the more it kinda makes sense.
I think Brendoc is a Waco situation, and the Jedi will be blaming themselves for a mass suicide.
Alcolyte brought me back to you guys. 5 years after TROS I was so mad about them bringing Palpatine back and neutering Kylo but this show just rocks
With only two episodes left the only way they can tie all of the mysteries up is if Qimir/The Stranger and Vernestra Rwoh are tied into the mystery of what happened at Brendok and the conception of the Osha and Mae.
A lot of people are upset and understandably so. Same with me since it was because of Vern I got into HR in the first place. However some have pointed out and even cited passages in all her books that the red flags of her being cagey on certain things, keeping things to herself, etc were always there from the start.
Guess we gotta wait until Trials of the Jedi, the final adult novel of Phase 3, to see what else could happen for her to become the politically shackled Jolly Green Jedi we see in the Acolyte.
Vonestra has a purple weapon.
Really enjoy your channel. Keep doing what youre doing.
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I do hope they keep Abeloth out of it. I'm fine with it if it turns out there is a Mortis Mother, but Abeloth is just such a stupid concept. The themes of cosmic horror and Star Wars fundamentally do not mix, so cosmic horror monsters have no real place in it. Shoehorning them in just results in yet another embodiment of the Dark side. Which makes it redundant because thats what the Son already does.
And how many Star Wars fans, even serious ones, have even read any of the 9 now non-canon Fate of the Jedi novels? To bring in Abeloth would be pandering to a very small sliver of the fanbase.
Loved this intro! 😂
"I don't know if he licked it but he was definitely sniffing it."
ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT! *drink*
Thank you for this video.
I can see The Stranger being older. After all, "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. "
I wish she had her purple hair so baaaad ;-; . As a Vern fan its sad seeing her so old and just shackled by political worry
You hear a faint ping when she tries to stun him.
Ya know what? Part of me was thinking "They'd never have a fun character from a kids book go sith." Then I remembered Jacen Solo....
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Thoughts on Alphabet Squadron?
Keep up the great content!
I think we’d probably have the same conversation about Anakin if we only had The Clone Wars to go off of and suddenly he goes Dark Side and people are like, whaaaat that feels far fetched.
Also with Ray Stevenson passed I don’t think we’ll be doing much with that storyline, at least as it pertains to his particular journey.
@422katieleigh I’m wondering if you said that backwards, because that’s EXACTLY how we felt when we only had ROTS. How could Anakin fall so quickly and easily? It wasn’t until we got TCW that we got a little deeper look into what led up to it.
@@SraMacaco I see your point, but no I didn’t say it backward. Aside from a few episodes with 🚩🚩 he was a good, kind, reasonable person for 90% of TCW. But he was mostly a whiny petulant creep for two full movies before he fell in RoTS so when he finally did, it felt like a foregone conclusion. To me anyway.
You refer to the High Republic books quite often, which books or authors would you recommend to go along with the Acolyte? Thx.
Does a purple lightsaber still mean more balanced in use of the force in canon/high republic?
It never meant that in the first place. That was simply a headcanon that got popular
Feeling blessed to have watched a video about the acolyte that wasn't bashing every little aspect of it. I'm convinced that people only hate it because its trendy.
I think Vernestra pulled a Jake Skywalker and sensed that Qimir was falling to the dark side. She tried to kill him to stop him from becoming Sith, which ironically facilitated him becoming a Sith.
The hands of the mortis gods and where they’re pointing are important just like in Rebels with the world between worlds and how they switched in the mural to open the gateway
Okay. I love yall for Star Wars, but I could listen to yall chat about your fav Apple TV shows or Westeros content!!! Please!! Also, could hall do some kinda Indiana jones book club?
I see you got Hot Toys Cobb Vanth. That's a very nice one to own. HT will probably never remake that one again.
It's a little frustrating that shows like Ahsoka came and went without really much happening and then we have to wait 3 or more years to get more story. It's been a year since the first season of Ahsoka and they haven't even started the next season yet.
How do you take any lightsaber wound on the back and not cut deeper then a real leather whip would .im sorry but i see no way that it would not cut his vertebrae. Theres like no muscle there only bone
I think there are two options: Vernestra gave him the scar but he's lying about the context. Or Vernestra wasn't involved at all, and the writers set this up so we'd be able to easily guess 2 twists in a row so that now when the twist ISN'T the thing they foreshadowed it's an actual surprise. Which might explain why the first two twists were so easily guessable. Setting us up for the fall so to speak.
Whenever Vernestra uses the whip against an adversary, she doesn't just scar them, she does something (cuts off a hand in Tales of Light and Life). So why use her whip to just scar Qimir???
Ive been talking with random people on the street that turned out were watching Acolyte.
Its not nearly as hated as the internet tries to convince people.
I don’t think they would spoil a dark side turn for Vernestra in the show that we would later see in one of the last THR books. Project Luminous/THR was created to be the starting point for stories in a new era
The Stranger does have metal strips holding his cloak on..
Cortosis?
Where the stun blast didn’t work, if you look at modern day stun guns, some people can shrug off being stunned. That said, the stranger is clearly battle hardened to begin with.
Why can’t we suspect that Qimir could be older than Vernestra? It seems that he may be a lot older than he appears whether it’s through Sith magic or maybe the magical pool he swims in.
If it looks like Ach To but it's not, maybe its a Twin island, like our twins Osha and Mae ?!
Regarding Vernestra, also note that Charles Soule was a creative consultant or something like that for the show, so I don't expect them to do something so completely out of left field for her character compared to the books
Maybe someone in the last 100 years she fell dark, started training an apprentice, then came back to the light
You keep saying 100 years. Are you saying vernestra is over 100 years old.
I thought the beginning scroll in the first episode said it’s 100 years before the prequels. And I assumed it’s only been 15-20 years since the books timeline. Am I misunderstanding?
Re: Abeloth: I file it under "plausible". I'm not 100% convinced that's where they're going, but if it turns out to be her it wouldn't surprise me.
could he be swiming in bacta? coudl this unknown planet be the origin to bacta fluids? (i dont read da books or comics)
There has to be a story in the high republic novels that has not come out yet. I hope they release that book plus the acolyte novel also
I personally think the stun blast was just stopped with the force kind of like how Vader stops blasts with his hand in Empire Strikes Back. That said, maybe maybe it's the helmet because stun blasts ripple through the body to give a concussion. That would mean Ahsoka would have more brain damage than an NFL player, but Star Wars isn't fun when you try to get that granular on consistency anyway!
The Mother is always the one taking the proverbial pictures.
I don't personally enjoy that the Acolyte team has such loose lips in interviews before the end of the season. I prefer seeing reveals in the story itself instead of hearing about it by the creators. If they want us to know which planet it is, why say "Unknown Planet" in the episode and then immediately come out in interviews with the answer
She only said it wasn't Ach-To.
The planet does match the description of Bal'demnic, which had cortosis deposits and also where Darth Plagueis killed his master Darth Tenebrous.
Is this a hint at Darth Plagueis showing up? Maybe.
@@forrestpenrod2294 I believe I heard on another episode review that they confirmed Bal'Demnic, but I haven't verified that
considering how young jedi start training children, why does qimir need to be older for the former jedi > sith > thrown away by master timeline to work?
Ach to is an island on baldemnic and this is just a different one on the same planet.
Could Emree have actually survived an turned and that's who Qimir is? I am way behind on my High Republic reading, but is it possible?
I am hoping "Mother" would be Mother Talzin...fingers crossed! Or, Ventress finds herself back alive and is a mother. Also, fingers crossed.
The Strangers Mask seems to be an Homage to Mother Aboleth just saying its not the first a small detail lead to something bigger ahem Hyperspace Tracking in TLJ and Warmantle in The Bad Batch.
So what you are saying is in the game of telephone someone heard Aegon and that person thought it meant their son should be king lol
Regarding a Jedi taking the L to protect the reputation of the Order - that might be what Vernestra ends up doing. Precedent in the Legends (NJO) when Corran Horn steps aside for a time during war with Yuuzhan Vong.
I think I should be talking to a doctor about 'Vernestra'. and what are the side-affects to taking vernestra?
You guys are nice to watch. Other channels are just so hate driven. Hard to take.
So are Ashoka and The Daughter/Morai not a dyad?