The Rossi 462 vs Taurus, Ruger and S&W
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- A quick look of the Rossi 462 in comparison to some other popular .357 snubbies.
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I’m carrying my Smith 640 in a Simply Rugged holster this morning……like most other days. Good morning my friend!
Definitely the best J frame holster I have thanks to a good friend.
Always nice to see a fine comparison of snubbie revolvers. They may look similar, however they are very different and of course can be different between individuals and how they shoot as well. Beautiful firearms. Thanks again Greg!
You are right about individual differences. Things like grip strength, hand size, limb length and hand eye coordination all make a difference.
When I had my Rossi 462, I put about 700 rounds through it, about 600 of which were Fiocchi 142 gr Truncated Cone .357 Magnum ammo. I bought it new and owned it for about 9 months. The FFL I sold it to swore up and down that the lockup was loose, but at that time I was new to revolvers and didn't know if this was true or not. With my SP101, it was a good gun, but there were always fliers due to the tang grip frame. Always a bit of wobble. With my S&W snubbies I always shot a bit low, but the Taurus 605...well that gun is my most accurate .357/.38 I have shot. I am always surprised at how the point of impact seems to be the same no matter the ammo and have done my fair share of 5 yard one hole groups. I don't like how the Taurus extractor screw gets loose a lot, but as long as I periodically finger tighten it, it's about the best snubby I have owned other that the LCR.
Sam, I had to laugh about your endorsement of the 605. Yesterday was an anomaly. Usually the 605 or the 856 or the 85 are the best shooters for me. By the way, I used blue loctite on the cylinder screw of the 856 that kept backing out. But, I've seen this over and over again. In the accuracy department I can take a Taurus revolver and a comparable S&W and sometimes I'll shoot one better and on the next try will shoot the other better.
I love watching your videos because you always have nice wheel guns
Thank you my lever gun shooting friend!
I don't think people realize how prevalent the grips are to accuracy. Great info!
The grips that were on that Ruger weren't bad grips, but for my hand shape and size they were uncomfortable and caused me to line the sights up as to where I was shooting low to the point of aim. You wouldn't think it, but grips can change the gun's point of aim.
Thank you for sharing. I too am in a search for fuller grips on my SP 101. Can you share a link to the Hideout grips you use? Thank you.
Thanks for another great vid!
Thanks for stopping by today!
Digging that intermittent music. It reminds somewhat of the score from the movie "Southern Comfort."
I've got a couple of pieces I use that sound hauntingly like the score from that movie. Being southern, filming in the south, and demonstrating revolvers, it seems to fit.
Always a pleasure seeing a new video. Great job!!
Thanks Mac!
A Greg Newton snubby video always makes my day. Thank You!
Thanks for stopping by today Tom!
Amazing comparison!
Mighty fine shiny gun line-up, sir!
Seems like each of those gems could get a body out of most unpleasant situations, if the person wielding it would do their part.
A good Patriot’s Day to you, Greg. 🇺🇸
Thanks for more great wheel gun content! I like the smith & Wesson 640 you have, I messed up a year or two ago and sold one I had. It was the PRO Series with dovetail cuts and 3 dot night sights, it was a good gun but I wanted something new, my dream snub is the S&w 340pd
The friend who gave me that Rugged holster I carry the 640 in, carries a 340 PD in his.
I have been looking at the new Rossi revolvers and one huge plus that I noted is that they use the superior old style Smith action with hammer mounted firing pin and hammer block (slide) v.s. the trendy new transfer bar system.
That is a plus. BTW, I got an e-mail this week from Kentucky Gun Co. and the Rossi's are back in stock.
👍👍@@LionquestFitness
Very interesting comment about the firing pin breaking off. I had the exact same gun and it did break off. Had a gunsmith put a case hardened pin in. No issues. Sold it a long time ago. Wish I had kept it...
Rossi and Taurus from the south of Brasil..
Rio Grande do Sul State.
God bless you and you family Grag.
Thank you my friend!
Nice /shooting and nice looking revolvers. Thanks for posting that. GB
Thanks for stopping in and commenting GB!
Thank you for this video. This is a nice comparison between these four snub nose revolvers.
Thank you Marie-Noelle!
You're very welcome
Finally. A review where I like all of the guns.
Fortunately, my rossi 462 isn't affected by the recall. If you are concerned about the hammer nose/ firing pin, Jacks First Gun parts offers a quality replacement..
Great comparison Greg. My two carry revolvers are s&w model 437 38+p and a ruger sp101 357mag 3" barrel. I love how lite my smith is to carry but on the other side I love the weight of my sp101 when shooting. Have a great day brother.
That Sp101 with the three inch barrel is one I've wanted for awhile. Just have to come across one when it is financially feasible!
No Brasil a Rossi fez revolveres espetaculares nos anos 80,90, infelizmente não a temos mais por aqui. 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷, obrigado pelo vídeo e pelo trabalho.
Nice collection of snubbies. You sit them all pretty well. If you could only keep one, I bet it would be a tough choice.
I bet he would probably keep the Taurus.
@@UncleDanBand64 It's definitely getting to be a tougher and tougher choice, but that 605 has traveled a lot of miles with me.
@@LionquestFitness yep
Hey Greg thanks a lot very good informative talk on the 4 handgun you have there I will say one thing I had a Rossi 462 years back then I'm still kicking myself in the ass for getting rid of it LOL
I just picked up a Taurus 605 and love it.
I had mine out the other day. It is definitely a favorite summer time carry.
Ty for the video
Thank you for sharing this video. Revolvers are my favorite. I carry a Ruger Lcr. Take care and God bless
Thank you Thomas.
Thank you Greg, very good stuff. IMHO - One of the things I experience a lot on reloads is that they can drag on a revolver cylinder rear wall; caused by the primer of the bullet not being flush on the brass so it drags on back of the cylinder wall. It could be also, as you mention, an OAL issue. A really cool compare of revolvers.
Thanks for those insights Bob.
I've had my cylinder jam up on a Taurus 605 and stop turning a few times. It was caused by the primers from the fired rounds I was using backing out of the brass under pressure and wedging the cylinder after a few shots. If this happens to you again, check your fired brass to see if the primers are still flush and if they have scrape marks from dragging and then jamming.
Good advice.
Years ago, I had a cylinder (on a 642 Airweight, and on an old model 15) that wouldn't close because some of the primers weren't flush.
I had the same problem with my 605. On reloads, no problem with factory loads
@@ronaldarand5085 That is what I am thinking. The .38 reloads work fine, but it is the .357 that will sometimes bind the cylinder.
I have not the 640, but my older Smiths have the best trigger action. Because of it's heavy weight for a small revolve I passed on the SP101 and got a Security Six instead. Nice shooting Greg as always.
I'd never done any kind of comparison with the 640 and was surprised how smooth the trigger action was until I did this test. A Security Six was a great find. I don't have one at this time, but I prefer them to the GP100.
Just the Best. 👍👍 I agree with your quote.
I'm glad someone got it. Got to be careful around the You Tube censors.
Great video! And that's quite a lineup of snubbies. But I noticed the longer barreled, cross draw rig was kept at the ready while shooting the short guys.
Hi Al - that was a punk on You Tubers who demonstrate a handgun, but still have that obligatory Glock or Sig on the hip. Which always seemed a bit redundant and silly to me. I took out the footage where I talked about the gun to keep the video a reasonable length.
@@LionquestFitness Greg, don't cut footage, your videos are always a joy to watch...
@@mikeseier4449 Thanks Mike. I try to keep videos a certain length. But, I'll post that footage as an extra later on today.
Another great video Greg I own the 605 one of my favorites 👍also and my 856 along with 642. Want a ruger sp101 someday anyway thanks
Thank you George!
If you and I were to go into a self defense situation together,I would hope you have your 605 at the ready.
It is still my second favorite Mark. Did you recognize that nice looking holster someone gave me a couple of years ago?
Nice!... I'm a revolver guy - and a new subscriber. I'll be taking my new 3" Ruger SP101 out to the range in a few day's time 🔫, along with my 4" Taurus Tracker (I'm going to be shooting some .357 Magnum with it)... I'm going to experiment with some .38 Special +P with my SP101; I think they might be the perfect balance for it. 😀
Most experts, and I don't count myself as one, tend to advise carrying .38 Plus P in a revolver for daily carry as opposed to .357. Three-fifty-seven is a man stopping round. But, you also have audible disorientation from the sound, recoil and flash, and a slightly slower time in getting shots on target. So, I think you are making a good decision with the SP101.
Obrigado 👍
thanks Greg ! I would love to have a Rossi in the safe, its a great looking revolver. But if its even a little twitchy about ammo, I would need to have something else for defense. I have a Kimber 1911, which is a really fun gun at the range, but it too is "ammo-particular." While that's fine as a hobby gun ( and really fun and challenging to reload for) its the last thing I would grab in an emergency..
I'm with you on that Joe.
Interesting info on the trigger of the Rossi. I collect Smith & Wesson revolvers from the 1970s and they all have very smooth triggers. My Taurus revolvers also have great triggers (85, 65) and my 2 older Taurus's are more accurate than any of my Smiths. I have a Colt Detective Special from 1971 and that trigger does stack, so more effort is needed to make it break. Regardless, the best solution is to pick the one that you shoot best and make it your carry gun.
I dropped the ball on that video. Normally I shoot better with the 605 than any of my other snubs. Nice synopsis of your snub revolver experiences.
Hi Greg I'm a subscriber. Another GREAT episode. I have the 856 stainless mot the ultra lite & a S&W 637 J frame with the schrouded hammer. Both GREAT guns, but I prefer the 856 as it has 20% more capacity + a 1/8" longer BBL. I feel the 856 is sturder & is more controllable.
Regards,
Rob
Phx., Az
Thanks Rob!
Hey Greg good morning! My phone is not working right, I can get into the title's and comment's but not have been able to watch the video's. Getting a new one this week and going to do some binge watching. ( Lol ). Well have a great and blessed day. Ruger Rich
You do the same Rich!
Greg I owned a S&W model 640 in 38 Special, it ran like a well oiled machine. S&W has now chambered all the steel J frames up to 357 Magnum, and all the Airweights up 38 Special +P. IE the model 60 is chambered in 357. Love the Ruger SP101, mine is a 4 inch chambered in 32 H&R Magnum 😉
Adversity and perseverance creates character.
Very wise words
All those snubbies seem more than capable for the job! However, I just couldn’t help but eye that Model 10 the entire time... Those stocks are sharp! 🤠
That is an almost pristine 1977 Model 10 with grips I got from Thailand.
I finally got TH-cam to work. Whoopi! You know which one I'd choose. Their's a video on TH-cam with a man who broke the firing pin on his Taurus Raging Hunter. He said he'd shot some practice round's and did 50 dry firing. Everyone said the same thing, with Taurus you have to use snap caps ( vroom ) or empty brass. I use both with my revolver's even if the mfg company says you don't have to. If you use them all the time, you won't forget when you have to. Have a blessed night Greg and it's great to be back amongst the living.
Good to see you back!
My first revolver was a nickel rossi 5 shot 3" interams. I had lite primer strikes in double action. It shot 12" to left,so I let it go. Wish now I would have worked on it.
My brother reminded me the other day his first gun was a Rossi Interarms that did that. Like you he wished he had kept it and had it worked on.
Great shooting, Greg. Out of the revolvers presented, I'd lean towards the S&W or the SP101 (I have actually owned one in the past). That said, I really want a Kimber K6S,, and a Bond Arms Roughneck derringer to back up my S&W 627 PC. I'd also throw in the stainless Chiappa Rhino 3 inch, but they're terribly expensive.
I think that Kimber would be a solid choice.
I just hope another used one comes along.
Thanks for another excellent video! Brief, but full of interesting detail.
I’d be interested in your views on the ultra-light revolvers - S&W 340PD/360PD & Ruger LCR/LCRx. Not fun to shoot, but easier to carry?
Definitely easy to carry, but a handful to shoot. A good set of grips make a big difference. Summer time I often pocket carry a 642 with Hideout grips from Precision Specialties.
The LCR in 327mag is great. Lots of muzzle blast, but less recoil than 357mag and you get an extra round. Plus you have the options of shooting the 32mag and 32 S&W Long. Buffalo Bore makes a couple of sweet hard cast loads in that load. Gun Sam has a nice review of it.
Always enjoy your vids. Tell me, can you dry fire the Taurus 605 with spent shells instead of those special Caps they say to use? Thanks
As far as I know you can do so without damaging the gun.
aside from that matte finish on my 856 its a damn fine steel frame revolver im glad i bought it on sale when there was no ammo by the time my dad wanted a gun to shoot and carry he can use they cost 100 bucks more i find 38 defense ammo sometimes and grab a box and out it up its a very nice revolver my h&r 922 is the finest revolver in 22lr iver ever had ight trigger in single action best 150 ive ever spent
Joe - it is not the greatest ammo in the world, but you can at least get .38 and .357 from them, so I order online from Georgia Ammo. BTW, I've found the 856 to be dependable, accurate and utilitarian. Plus, you have six instead of five.
@@LionquestFitness thank you much i need some range ammo ill look them up and yeah its a fantastic revolver
Not familiar with the Rossi, always wanted to try one, ok with the Smith trigger though
Awesome stuff! Greg, what are your thoughts on Charter Arms revolvers? I hear them compared to Taurus often, but they don’t seem quite as prolific…
That question pops up from time to time. Charter is a small American company and you want to root for the underdog. Taurus is a very large international corporation much bigger than S&W and Ruger, so a product comparison to Charter is really unfair.
Too, you don't see Charter often in upstate SC, so I haven't had much opportunity to look them over. However, like the Rossi I recently bought, I've been keeping an eye out for one.
@@LionquestFitness Thank you, sir! I see them from time to time in my area, and I’ve always been curious-especially since they are 100% American made. Evidently they make snub .38s lighter than S&W Airweights or Ruger LCRs
Greg, my first revolver for security work was a Taurus 66 with the 38 spl plus p. When firing 6 rounds fast fir the PPC/NRA qualification course , I found that my clynder would bind a little until I slowed down just a bit. Does your Rossi have the same problem?
Not sure. I was firing some reloaded .357 at a range that requires a two second pause. I'm thinking it was the reloaded ammo and maybe a cylinder bored too tight?
@@LionquestFitness ok, thanks
I have also seen the side screw, that holds the crane in place, sheer off at the bottom in the Rossi 462 which caused the crane and cylinder to fall out when the cylinder was opened. But they are pretty guns. I would buy one, but not carry one.
Now that is interesting and would lead one to give credence to inferior metallurgy of some parts.
@@LionquestFitness It must have been a common problem because when I explained the problem to the friend that brought me the gun asking for help, the factory was backordered on replacement screws. He finally received one but it took a couple of months. This was back in 2008-ish.
@@johnelder9919 Thanks John that clears up a lot about the Rossi revolvers. As people write in on this series I am getting a better picture as to why Taurus eventually dropped the revolver line.
It's a shame all 3 Taurus revolvers I had no luck with them because they have really good triggers. My first 85 the cylinder would lock up, my 2nd 85UL the key lock activated itself and I couldn't undo it. My 3rd and last 856 if I staged the trigger I would get misfires. It seems the only Taurus I have any luck with is my TCP738 in 380. It's been 100% reliable with all the different ammo I was able to get and I can hit a steel silhouette with it constantly at 25 yards. I hope to find a pre lock S&W 642.
Another solid video! What type of orange paint do you use? If you don't mind 🇺🇸✊
Fluorescent orange fingernail polish from Walmart.
@@LionquestFitness Appreciate it! 🇺🇸
thank you for another great review and comparison. that is really a pretty rossi. have you named her yet?
I don't know. That one might not get a name. I have to really like a gun to do so. Although, in time it might. Eventually my 856 with the reddish grips got the nickname Tuco from the Eli Wallach character from the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
@@LionquestFitness that was a great movie. i believe it may have been in that one where tuco said something like,"if you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk." after shooting a guy from the tub.
@@fbweaver63 He actually adlibbed that line. A great actor who created a humorously villainous character. Of course, Lee Van Cleef was no slouch as the truly evil Angel Eyes.
The problems that I've heard with the re-loads is that the recoil tended to separate the bullet from the case a bit and make them work out a bit to far for the revolver cylinder. I heard that's not much of a problem for the semi auto's. I tend to buy only brass case ammo. I also always buy new ammo from a good seller on ammo seek. Some places even offer free shipping on orders $125.00 Others sites offer free shipping on orders of $250.00 or more. If I need ammo for different guns, I just a few boxes from the same site if they have a decent deal.
I don't know if all Taurus's are like mine but if I slowly pull the trigger, the hammer comes back and clicks twice before firing. I can pull the trigger and hold it on the second click, then it will fire just like a single action with very little effort squeezing the trigger. I know Taurus made those Rossi's, But is there a Rossi that's better than a Taurus? also did the Rossi have a transfer bar? also was wondering if the springs worked the same as the Taurus? thanks for the video. I rather enjoyed this one. Peace..
Boy, you can tell that video was during the height of COVID because I wasn't getting regular haircuts! That was also when I was first trying various loads from Georgia Arms, which has pretty much become my go to.
Interesting comment on the two clicks for the Taurus revolvers. It is slight, but yes there are two clicks. I did find one difference between the 605 I bought about six years ago and the old 85 between the newer 856's. The triggers on the older five shot guns seem to be more assertive and crisp as compared to the two 856's I have. Probably because of the larger cylinder.
I'm pretty sure the Rossi's had a type of safety block, because it wasn't sliding into position like it was supposed to and that was the source of the dropped discharges. But it was different from the transfer bar safeties on the current Taurus and Smith revolvers with the hammers without a pin mounted on them. The Rossi's did have a firing pin mounted on the hammer.
There was a lot I liked about that Rossi in the video. But, the more research I did, the more I found reports of reliability issues, so I went ahead and sold it to an FFL, letting him know it was on a recall list.
Well thought out philosophy of use and ownership about the Rossi. Its an experts' collectable. One of many not a 1 and only in your battery so its a justified luxury investment. Hope it grows in value. As far as the spectre of firing pins being prone to breakage I also have read the same on the forums, sometimes cited by gunsmiths who should know, and they traced the fault to improper heat treatment of that part. Could a replacement be made by an outfit like Power Custom if needed ? Also what mainspring did Rossi use, a S&W K frame type flat leaf or a conventional coil spring ?
Good questions. I read on the Taurus.net form about a guy who re-worked a Model 36 firing pin for his. The Rossi uses a coiled spring. I've been considering selling it to an FFL I know, but I'd have to be up front about the recall and the other possible issues.
@@LionquestFitness Your honesty is commendable but if you part with it you may regret that. You are mindful of the flaws which is no big concern because you have other revolvers and know how to remedy these, good tip about the J frame firing pin. And possibilities with J frame spring adaptability. If and when you sell it it will be only that 1 time, forever. And in my humble estimation since its discontinued, it may become something like the Colt SF VI in value, I bought mine in 1999 for $400 + sales tax and have shot it, its used, but now on gunbroker new in the box these are a few thousand$ if anyone is actually buying. Its always sellable any time. Well Wishes & Much Good Luck !
@@richardkluesek4301 Good advice.
Any chance of you getting the new Rossi RP63 or RP66?
I liked the look of the RP63, but I've yet to see one in the mom and pop gun stores I frequent. However, since I've watched a couple of reviews of the Henry Big Boy Revolver I've fallen hard for that one. The only problem is - no one has one yet; even online. And supposedly the few that have gotten out are being scalped for over $200 more than MSP. So maybe the RP63 may be the consolation prize for this year after all. If I can find one.
Right now, I can't find anyone who has the Rossi in stock either.
Which of these do you like best?
Taurus 605
I like my Kimber.
El Guapo, would you say there was a "plethora" of revolvers ? Si, pero no Colts. BTW Greg, thanks for the Rossi history & wouldn't complain about your shooting at all.
LOL - I think I told you about the Detective Special that was the one that got away...
Great video . I have shot some factory 357 in my rossi . No problems have shot more 38s. Also have s.w. mod 37 and for me. I shoot rossi better.
I forgot to mention how great those grips are on the Rossi. Very conducive for shooting .357.
👍🤠
You left out the colt...
Hey my name is brian.im from kentucky.im also a revolver guy.my newest is a 856 taurus.what kind of speedloader would u recommend
Check into Zeta 6 speed loaders and strips.
Thank you
@@LionquestFitness have u ever used maxfire speed loaders just curious as to what you thought about them
@@briankimbrellsr5580 No I haven't. I've never run across them. I probably need to look into them.
@@LionquestFitness i really like your revolver videos they are great.i have learned so much from them thank you for what you do.
Nice run down.
I'd be scared to shoot one being it's been forever i won't be very good.
It is like riding a bicycle Batjac. Bought time to pull the Witness Model 10 out and show it off in video again.
Rossi website has Every Serial Number under recall
Because I bought my DA SP101 used, I believe it was given a trigger job, because it is sure n smooth. Everything I'd expect from a revolver.
Watch for the knowledge, Stay for the music
Thanks Christopher!
BTW I'm carrying the SP101 today.
@@LionquestFitness good choice
Your grouping with it shows
Man you have a long sleeve shirt and jeans on, why it it still the temperature of the Sun here in florida????? No long sleeves or jeans for me this time of year. It wont cool down until January.
I'm still sweating underneath! Actually we've had some very pleasant weather this week.
@@LionquestFitness my wife and i just came back,from the ark experience and the,creation museum. They have dine a fantastic job. I,highly recommend the trip. Its,just,south of Cincinnati in Kentucky. Weather was,wonderful. Then,back home to,the,sun!
@@jeffpaul8260 That is wonderful! I have been wanting to go for awhile. Covid cancelled the trip we were planning two summers ago. I used to have several of Ken Ham's books and was a fan of his Answers in Genesis radio show.
@@LionquestFitness you gotta go! I only spent a day at each location but well worth it. For,me,as a Christian it was really nice,to,see the,ark and all,of,the,animals. Plus,the,living,quarters,for Noah and family. I know,you have little ones. In my,house my,daughters family moved in so she,was home,to,care,for,them that way,it was,just,my,and,the,Mrs!
Took lots of pics. If,you have a chance youtube bill Nye vs,Ken ham debate. Its bit,over,1 hour,but I,watched the whole,thing. Mr,Nye gave a lot,of,what it's and maybes and we think in his debate. Mr ham followed the bible.
Those 357 locking up cylinder is simply overall length is too long by the sounds of it
Very possibly. No problem with those reloaded .357 in my K-frame, but in the smaller guns...
@@LionquestFitness I can make a few dummy rounds for you and we can figure out what length they like
No charter arms ??
Two things. One, you just don't see Charter much in this area. I've only come across one snubbie in the last few years. Second, decades ago I had their Undercover model and wasn't very happy with it. Rightly or wrongly that soured me on Charter. But, I'll still keep an eye out for one to buy, review and possibly keep.
@@LionquestFitness I just pick up boomer in a trade not my first charter 😂
Colt smokes them all,Python.
If you can afford it.
I will take whichever onebof those you want to send me, all that pretty metal gets heavy, and I don't mind helping you out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You're a pal!
@@themainmanchannel LOL - how am I going to finish watching your G2C vs G3C video if you keep commenting? Just kidding BTW.