Vigor- Where it All Went Wrong
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I've had some time to think.
Here is a summarized version of my final thoughts on Vigor and how it's development has gone since I began playing.
This took me 19 hours to edit.
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I started as a Vigor content creator as well. And Im gratefull for all the people that showed up and liked my content and are still around to this day - but I saw what Bohemia did to the game and the community about 2 years ago. Imho Vigor was just a test project for them and a small internal project that they could let new developers and designers work on for a bit. Also it was their first try for a free2play game on a console. It was very controlled because it was just on xbox and for sure it was a small investmend for them because microsoft payed them something for the exclusive rights. On top of that it was their first unreal engine project. Also an Indicator for me that vigor was never ment to be a "big" IP for them: how often people and the whole team was changing. Also it seemed that the team was always kept very small. The game had so mutch potential - But Bohemia did nothing. Also they never released on pc - why? because they knew that they would need an good anti cheat solution and the cost and the fees of that would be to expensive for them. All in all I had a great time with the game and its very sad to see what they made out of this great concept. Its a shame that vigor never grew up to its potential. And tbh I salute you my man that you where here all the time and putting out content for it and the (small) community. You have a great future ahead of you, because you are a great guy and an awesome content creator. really looking forward to your next stuff. Keep it up!
Very interesting read
@@miltbottleboy indeed
This was a real nice take on the whole situation and I think you may be on to something there. Really appreciate the comment it was a good read. ✊
Are you saying Vigor is that one computer game in media class that every student tries to learn and keep up with and gets replaced with a new set of crew next year? if so that is brilliant but sad at the same time. This game meant so much more than that
@@derwones I dont have any intel or something. But it seems that Bohemia really didnt put the effort into the project it deserves. At least thats how it felt from the outside.
Well written and thought out. Agreed. It had a ton of potential. If only they released the source code, like with ARMA, and just let the community put together the Vigor everyone wanted.
*Thank you for this video, Fox. I love this game.. sadly. 🍻 Here’s to hoping the Vigor Devs see this and put their listening ears on and start going into a direction we’ve all wanted. Hell, if it was on Season 30 and was good I’d still play it 😂 Much Love, Fox! Glad to see you’re still rocking it, Brother! 🤘
Much love back to ya Kornbread!
Great video...great that you kept all of your content to back up your statements.....cheers to the life and death of Vigor....glad I was along for the ride
You hit every point that needed to be addressed. Great video Fox.
Thanks for the vid Fox!. Great summary
100% agree with all of your points, thank you for being real (even at the expense of your Vigor partnership). It’s bittersweet to see a video like this, almost feels like the end of an era, but here’s to bigger and better things 🎉🤟
I agree with you man, I love vigor aswell and i really wish they make the right moves . Especially on shelters. We need something to grind for. Something to be proud of and brag to our friends
Nice vid and summary, Fox. To most of it I fully agree and I really still enjoy this game, but I am only playing it for 2 years ;). I don´t think there are a lot of games out there that have such a great community, even people who do not play it anymore come back to watch videos and comment on it. Even with all the mentioned problems, I hope that people will still play the game for the next years so that we can get full lobbies while playing.
I always have full lobbies even at 2 a.m Vigor is alive and well. I don't have an issue at all with the game is there stuff I would like to see added sure but as it stands it's still better than 3yrs of dev time AAA CoD DMZ.
The longevity of this game is very very short... unless you're interested in just doing the killing. This game was the most enjoyable for me when I was brand new. Surviving was paramount. Encounters were intense. Death felt like a punishment. Grinding to build my shelter was a fun experience and the more I played the* more comfortable I got with the gun play. It took me 1200 encounters roughly to finish out my shelter and get to a 1.0 KPE. After that... the game was done. What else do I have to play for? Sure I grinded KPE and those leaderboards because there wasn't a game that I could play to get that 'high risk, high reward' gameplay in a hard core looter shooter. That feeling unfortunately has never returned.
On a side note - ranking the community a 9/10 would be a 10/10 if it weren't for certain dinguses (not the kind we love). You know who you are. YUH DINGUS!
It would take new players thousands of encounters to finish the shelter now, less loot and more sweats out hunting for kills.
That’s like saying what’s the point of tarkov
@@Xackory what? lol
All I was trying to say was I enjoyed the hard core survival looter shooter. Once you’re done with the shelter the only thing left to do is grind kills and Vigor is anything but a serious shooter. The last thing I want to do is run around like a chicken with its head cut off and wait until my opponent runs out of ammo to consider myself “good” at a game.
@@Capt_4wesome because the whole point is to survive, not sure what else you think a extract game is about. Same with tarkov, your main objective is surviving weather that’s killing or looting. Shelter is just to make you more equipped.
@@Xackory if the only objective was to survive you could go into a map, lay in a bush and then exfil. Surviving is paramount, so don’t get me wrong, but the objective is not to just survive. Hence why the game isn’t just listed a survival game. Vigors objective is the shelter. Once that’s done what do you have?
This specific video is for Vigor. Vigor’s longevity is mediocre. My understanding of an extracting game isn’t flawed lol
GGs good vid foxy. ps - the old setup snippets were wholesome AF haha!
The glory days! 💔
I just got into this game and after Activision screwed up DMZ and Tarkov being PC only, this is a solid fun game. I try to avoid people whenever I can but have been in several fights. I felt like I actually earned those kills as I had what felt like a pea shooter but still won in some games.
Vigor had great potential.
this sentence sums up the last 4 years to perfection.
Well said. I've played every season possible on PlayStation since its release until season 13. Now I can't really be bothered. I have only ever played this game on my own! The amounts have all changed to get the shelter upgrades just pushing the boundaries further away without adding anything new it. I have actually start to play the new warzone dmz and there 3rd person mode instead.
Love these videos man. The pacing is great and as a self proclaimed history nerd watching you go over the history of a game i enjoy it’s a blast! The outlands miss ya bro!
This game has a CRAZY history. I’ve thought about making an “iceberg” video but IDK MAN. 🤣
@@HalfMetalFox Yassss!!! If you saw how much iceberg media I already consume 🤣🤣
But no doubt that video would do extremely well in my mind! Just turn the camera on and let it all out! And If your analytics say 10-12 mins does best then clip it into a series with teasers and the end of each. We’d all be tuning in and it’d take a little pressure off yourself to squeeze as much in within a single video. My humble opinion anyway, I’d definitely watch multiple times!!
@@HalfMetalFox yo fox you most definitely should cuz as i said I was watching/ playing along when damn near nobody was. TELL EM ABOUT HOW IT WAS BEFORE SERIES X/S ENHANCEMENT, BEFORE SEASONS HOW ACTUAL SHIT THE GAME WAS NO LIE LOL
Dude made me get into and fall in love with the game, I always say a small prayer for my people and the game's community. 👏🏿🇰🇪
I just started playing 2 months ago. I enjoy it even if I die more than kill. But it's enjoyable after a days work
Random duo/squad is something they game needs badly
I like the subtle lax instrumental, I see you 🦊❤️👌
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Fox im actually glad for one time you gave your thoughts about this game you didn’t complain about the “sweats” or the clans or the drop shoting meta or jump shorting meta and gave that a reason as to why the game was bad.. you actually gave sum valid points as to why your thoughts why they were.👌🏽
I sure tried. 😅
Great video. Respect the work and time put in to lay out a well thought out explanation to this game’s potential and failures.
I cant believe ive never heard of this game until x2 weeks ago. Honestly im loving it so far. i do have a question, what is the best DLC to buy or ones to avoid?
They're all good.
Thank u for all the good Vigor times🤍 One of the Best vids u done, love that u are so real🤍 keep the good vibes rolling👊
I’m seriously so happy you said all this.
Anyone remember the H-BAR meta? Now-a-days? Never seen one since the change, because the recoil is ridiculous 🙄
I wish we got the 30 minute version
Can you let the devs know we need hair styles for the men.
Great video Fox! I played for three yrs, season 12 it seemed they were trying to reach a whole different play style than what the LTPs wanted, and with the intro of season 13, the devs made that point perfectly clear.
I actually deleted game about 2 weeks into 13
Well damn.. I been playing this game a week so far (and loving it, but the grind is hard as a noob against vets and sweats every lobby) but I'm looking forward to getting to the point where I can load in with a good load out and ports every game.. but after watching this video I'm scared it could die before I get to that point..
I bought the battlepass n I was looking forward to getting the legacy season 2 to get the BP for ports.. I really hope they don't take that away 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for this video I think you did a very good job that is worth thanking, you put your points of view as you always know how to do from a healthy criticism to be able to improve and that is appreciated, I love VIGOR it is the only thing I play, I have been following the I've been playing since the second season and I'm a witness to everything you've said, but my question is why doesn't bohemia pay enough attention to VIGOR? Yes, in my opinion graphically and the concept of what the story is is better than the other bohemia games (it is my concept without offending those who like other games) Do they really not have enough financial resources to invest in the game? ? And if so, why don't they seek alliances with other developers?
Note; excuse my translator.
PREACH SIR , PREACH!! 100% accurate. Good job bro.
Vigor could have been the Fortnite of extraction shooters but they squandered what they had.
This is very well said, thanks. I just personally feel like they ruined it with the lack of listening to their community.
I see alot of familiar names that I've played with and against in the outlands. I have downloaded the DMZ also. When I started playing Vigor at the end of season 2 I couldn't believe how unique it the was. It gave me something fresh and new that I wanted to keep playing and promote. Sad to say it's taken a turn for the worst. I know the devs won't read these comments nor open their ears to what community is left to play Vigor. All that said Foxy we've played and had a great run in the outlands 😊. Notifications are on and I wish you continued success 🤜🤛.
Mz. 🐼
Im surprised you didn't mention A lack of PC release
Good ol Santi
After the drop in loop on the maps I kind of stop playing this game because I felt like my time was just gonna be wasted for one thing I'm not gonna spend twice as much time to get as half the loot The map saw me and I forget the name of it was my favorite map to loot on it is nice and quiet and you have a lot of sneaky options then they just nerf the loot to the point where it's not even worth playing it if you're not gonna go to the sawmill 1/2 the time you go to the sawmill you're gonna die
I started playing this game two weeks ago, but I first downloaded a year ago and played it for about three days. Now, I find it more fun than when I first tried it. I came back to this game because I was getting bored with the regular games I was playing. I wish this game was more popular. Is this game dying?
I got vigor when it came out on Nintendo!
I didn’t really love the game because of my skill issue…
UNTILL i encountered halfmetalfox his channel! Because of him i reinstalled the game, playing more.
I actually really enjoyed the game this time (even tho my skill level was 0) I mostly watched halfmetalfox his streams, because he was the only person who really made a ton of content of this game. (Not only twitch also TH-cam)
What’s I didn’t really like about vigor was actually the matchmaking, the waiting time was just so long!
The other thing is that I’m not an vigor veteran like fox here, I don’t know much…
I’m just sad that vigor is becoming a bad game…
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My biggest issue with vigor is the rampant cheating. Feeling like match has one cheater on another. With the food thing. They lowered the amount the rat traps hold but they fill faster because I feel like I get more food but am forced to log in twice a day instead of every 72 hours.
I really feel, when this guy mentions growing your shelter is the only real objective to the game. That this is why so many people farm the crap out of others in encounters. Once people have their shelter built up the only other thing to do is gain xp for the battle pass. Unfortunately you don't get much xp from shootout or elimination, especially in direct comparison of kills. You can still get your weapon parts, plans, consumables so on from the crates in elimination or shootout, but they aren't going to give you enough xp to level up your battle pass; not like encounters anyway. It's gotten so bad for me personally I've played almost 3,000 encounters and I'm still trying to build my shelter. Before you laugh at that, I'm disabled and have nerve damage in my entire right arm. So my main focus has been on nothing but trying to survive. I've not seen a very "warm and welcoming" community. I get mean messages and farmed all the time, even tried waving and never carrying in a gun. When I first started playing people use to actually not kill you if you waved at them. Due to all the farming though no one seems to trust each other so every one just sort of gets hunted. I think they should do something about the xp; or I'll keep listening. Maybe this guy has an idea for a new game mode.
Your post broke my heart. I'll make more of an effort to be nicer in the outlands, but I've gotten killed trying to be nice too.
@KingDanny9 I already know, lol. I'm not sure there's much the players can do. I really think the devs need to fix the xp measure. The devs need to realize that the hard-core players are not the only player base to pander to. Honestly, most people who are going to play are going to be mid line players and not try hards. I understand wanting to appeal to the try hards to keep them on the platform, but there has to be balance. You don't want to chase off all your moderate players, as in the case with any game I've played, tend to be the actual majority. Over time, the moderate player gets overwhelmed and just leaves the platform. By the time the try hards have taken over the platform, they've become the majority, that's true enough. The thing is, at that point, the community has shrunk so much that they don't really have anyone to play against or compete with. For Vigor, they depend on those micro transactions. They will not be able to sustain the game on the limited microtransactions from a small group of try hards. In all, it's all the same. It becomes hard to rationalize keeping the servers up as the lobbies become deserted. I've seen this happen on multiple platforms over time, and it just keeps repeating itself. Even in non micro transaction games, devs have decided not to update the game, thus fixing glitches that get exploited by try hards.
Well done as always amigo. All games, and most importantly smaller games need to listen to the community. And after 4 years they just haven’t evolved like they needed to. Dingus out!
Amazing definitive overview... fantastic job 👏. The only thing I would add is, dont forget your constant request for private lobbies, falling on def ears. I understand why they don't make them - they are afraid that general lobby qeues would take too long. But still, private lobbies would literally be a game changer. I think if they implemented them I would come back. Until then there's just no incentive for vets to keep playing. Many more awesome games out there that deserve our time and attention more than Vigor at this point.
Oh man I could go on and on about private lobbies
they clearly don't wanna pay for decent servers it seems this game was just a quick cash cow to reap money from the contract with xbox and train new devs
Everything you said is exactly why I stopped playing a few months ago. I just got bored after maxing everything I wanted to max and even tho new seasons were dropping I just became burnt out. Vigor will ALWAYS have a place in my heart where I met some amazing ppl *cough* *cough*..(Foxy) and I plan to come back to this amazing game every so often but for now I’ve decided to put my oh so terrible greaser gun to rest and venture out to see what else I can find to interest me.
I'm new to your channel but agree with everything you just said.
A part of me wonders if they can still save Vigor. I also play tarkov occasionally, as well as dmz. The players are there for the taking, if devs would just listen.
On the tarkov side, people are always asking for console, and BSG says it will never happen. (They are never 100% honest though. )
On the DMZ side, people are begging for an economy to be added along with some sort of hideout to work on.
Vigor has most of that. They have console (need cross-platform) , and I'm sure they could work out some sort of economy / trader system fairly easy. The trader system could also lead to better shelter/crafting systems.
I think by doing this, they could draw in a fairly large new player base. Or I may be totally wrong, and its already too late. The base is there to build something great.
Yeah every point here is spot on. No need to add anything. Just feeling the sadness.
I'm thinking about starting to play. I very much enjoy DMZ but can't always be near my ps5 so I decided I would try Vigor on the switch for when I can't play DMZ but really want to. We'll see what happens lol.
i think the one big glaring flaw with the shetler upgrades is the butload of mats we all have now if they were to release new upgrades unless there is some kind of new material then we would get the shetler done instantly (excluding timer to build ofc)
I would love to see them make a Vigor 2. The foundation is extremely solid, and I think it would be cool to see them do it even better if they had a chance to do it from scratch. It would also make it easier to fix the gunplay along with other issues, and maybe even get the game on PC.
Facts what I don’t understand is why 10 of the shelter upgrades are focused of food that you can only use for donations to get crates that contain weapons you can get faster in other ways
Went wrong?!? Vigor is one of the most fun games I’ve ever played. It’s even been given comparisons and associations with escape from tarkov. Called a baby tarkov. And tarkov is epic. I’ve played dayz, and even hunt. Some of the more praised extraction games. And to me, vigor is greatly superior. In so many ways. And the surprise to me, is that I didn’t hear anything of it until a few months ago. And I’ve been looking for a game like this for a while. I honestly don’t get the hate it is given. Do yourself a favor, and download this game. It will pleasantly surprise you.
Can we finally acknowledge the fact that Fox is low key THE inspiration for the voodoo donuts logo.
LOL I had to look it up and that’s awesome
@@HalfMetalFox meant as a compliment of course
Yeah Warzone DMZ I what I wish Vigor had been like, its so good and I really am not a fan of twitch shooters but it is just so satisfying.
I am still upgrading my Shelter so I don't need new upgrade on this side. For me the main purpose of this game is the encounters! So hyped before every match.
Agree with the crossplay feature... We should at least be able to link accounts between different platforms (PS to Xbox and vice versa). What happened of I decide to play on the other nextgen console? I will lose everything I farmed?
Like you said the game gave already what it had. I just expect small updates and customizations, I hope I am wrong.
I started season 11. Enjoyed every aspect. By season 12 I'd done enough shelter upgrades, and the game lost its charm with the flying, drop shotting, jump shottting, 6 port teams, and every other kind of sweatyness. Encounters? Were okish, then became an absolute bore. I could go on more, so i totally believe you could talk for days. You have been so kind. I can't believe the history of vigor... Much like an ex, when they leave it dawns on you just how bad it was! 🤣
What ever happened to the mele system update everybody was talking and hyped about like 2 years ago lmao?
NONE FOR YOU. Lol
Haven’t touched the game this season or had any desire to.
I can’t stop playing DMZ, doesn’t scratch the exact same survival itch but neither did Vigor for the last few seasons
On point as usual Fox.
First of all, Fox for Vigor Project Manager and Community Manager. 💪.
You're right about almost everything, many things that would probably be quite easy to fix are ignored or not inserted. (Keyword Shelter upgrade)
But now that many are switching to CoD dmz, I doubt a bit that the mass of players is really misunderstood, or whether the devs want exactly what the masses want.
I'm one who said "shots in jumping, adrenaline etc is too much CoD" but now many are switching to that. 🤷♂️
Was I wrong? Are jumpshots, dropshots, adrenaline and maybe even healing exactly what the vigor community wants? At least that's what it looks like
Great Video 👍🏽 I was a day 1 on ps4 and was very excited for this game release .. I grinned it for a good while but i lost interest when i had upgraded my hideout and was just going in OP and had no challengers … Should maybe make a new account and come back … i feel it might be the end of the line for a game that had sooo much Potential 😉👍🏽
how are your graphics so sharp and clear and look bigger?
Noice FREAKING VIDEO!
Classy as always foxy 👍🏻
So happy they have nerfed the LMG, FINALLY!!!
Shame I’ve moved on and won’t be back to Vigor... enjoyed our little duels Fox, stay safe Buddy. Dragon.
Damn Fox you hit the nail on the head. I've only been playing since season 10 and i can see your point. The constant reworking of the game is frustrating. I've moved on to COD DMZ and I'm loving It. I too will pop back in to Vigor now and again,but I can't be asked to give my time to a game that's so buggy.
Are you still loving DMZ? There is nothing to work for or do in that game either.
One of the few things they also shorted out on was marketing. I'm just finding out about this game and I've had it for approx 24 hours. Starting my deep dive into learning all about it only to find out we're 14 seasons deep and most of the playerbase is in shambles or completely absent. Shame. Seemed like a fun game and seems like it could have been even better. Alas.
Vigor had so much potential. It makes me sad
I see hell let loose going down hill too. When team 17 bought it I knew the love of the game as the original devs had was gone. To bad because it would of been a instant classic. Hopefully six days in Fallujah will drop soon and play as good as it looks!! Great video cheers 🍻
New shelter improvements are coming this year man with updates ^^
Bro, thank you so much for the truth. I've played for 3-3.5 years now and still I get glitched by servers and others like to use these glitches to cheat.
this is is really good video an was just in a shotout some perosn only died once got over 19 kills staying in one place.
Will this game ever come to PC?
Man me and my girl just started playing and we like it alot but yeah I see what you mean about everything, I hope it can get some good upgrades.
Do you still enjoy it? Or did it end after a couple of weeks?
@potatoad oh yeah we slowed down after we got the house trophies done, I log in for daily rewards like I do on other games now 😄 I added Vigor Facebook and they pretty much say nothing about player feedback and plan on just keeping things about the same so yeah don't take it to serious of a game.
@Roboninja5000 if you have new gen consoles, just play day Z. It's way more fun. Still fun to loot, build bases etc. Plus there are community servers if you're finding official servers too hard-core. It holds me over not having a PC.
fr, been playing since it came out on PS, the game is a shell of what it once was
I stopped playing like year ago. The game had potential, but the devs imo had no idea how to make the game great. The content was too slow and so out of touch what game actually needed. Only update I liked was grenades. That is literally it from 13 seasons…. Thats how bad it is.
Honestly if they stopped at season 1 or 2 I would be happy with what was available. Just iron out the glitches and stuff like the red x square and the game is great
Nice video, good job!
Only just heard of this game.
I started at season 7 there's not much to grind through or finish, if there was a story mode there'd be a reason to play instead of murdering people for fun, and maybe more lore besides the VHS tapes
Been playing about 4 weeks now.
Only problems ive seen that are totally annoying is the fact that pay to win people seam to be almost inpossible to kill, by a free to play. What i mean is for instance point blank range whole clip in the head or point blank rifle in the head of someone oblivious that im right next to them and then they turn and kill me.
Seams the game caters to the paid customer unfarely.
Also leaving to shelter and entering the encounter with 120 ammo to get to the map with zero ammo in my pocket.
This has happened numerous times these past 3 weeks. And dont be thinking i just forgot to put them in loadout because i know better. Why? Because once i notice im standing on the crate about to shoot the lock off and have zero ammo for my gun ,,I RUN MY A$$ OFF to the zone out alive . get back to shelter and guess what my ammo is back in my pocket. Yet when in encounter it wasnt. This is totally wrong considering it messes with your stats.
The worst of all is all the cheaters on the game. The developers need to do something about banning such cheaters that ruin the game.
Many cheaters have been exposed here on you tube so dont tell me im imagining things. I see it on every other map i play. And ive been on almost 2000 encounters already.
Oh and one other thing. They should not have any achievements that can only be completed with teams. Some of us are over 50 and know no one else who plays games. Its totally unfare
The grind was so ridiculous that a quite playing after a few months. I swear there where numerous updates nurffing loot. I watches as the numbers of loot found was decreased. Use to be able to find a few of the item in question then they cut that number in half. Then a little while down the road they changed how much floor loot spawned. Forcing you to either camp the exits or push other players and spots like no tomorrow.
I guess I came in at a great time in the middle of season 17 and now rolling into 19 it’s gotten a little worse as far as game play but that’s about it… the sweats tho trying to survive a lobby with sweats is almost impossible…
I'm kind of interested knowing more about the cycle frontier I think it's called
It’s pretty good tbh! A different take on extraction gaming. PC only tho.
No, it isn’t because the genre that you just listed altos like 15 words don’t exist. It’s a battle royale. There’s no survival mode at all. You cannot survive. Radiation will kill you. Survival is a game. Well they have a survival game. This is Annette this is primarily on battle Royale, although they’ve added some game modes in arena mode, and while to arena molds really that I will, I don’t I’m aware of, but there is absolutely no survival mode. There’s nothing you can do to survive except extract
I heard what happened and disappointed they didn't listen to you but treated you that way. This video is spot on.
I've been playing and loyal to this game for almost 3 years. I have loved it to the point I neglect other games. The play styles in encounters has changed so much based on the updates and influx of new players from different communities and seasoned players leaving because of being fed up. I've adapted (as a looter) to all the changes. The community has been amazing to me until recently I've encountered new players who have been very toxic. I have the same concerns most seasoned players do but my love for it covers the multitude of sins.. if the community shifts to as toxic as I've seen recently I won't stay and I've always promoted it and spent a lot of money on the game.
i actually loved the camper mortar
I know this is a late comment but, and although it’s been too long coming, the game is getting better certainly and could be worse than it is
Yeah I stopped playing vigor for over a year now it went in the complete opposite direction I wanted it to go. Sad to see this video but it was what needed to be done. Here's to the next extraction shooter that can do it better.
And that's the way it is......
Cheers
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Hebby! ❤️
Im currently downloading this game and it seems like a good game for me i want a battle royale game thats open world
I was once a huge Vigor fan, and had lots of fun for a really long time.
But when I started seeing it drop off, I had this awful sinking feeling that it wouldn't get better. The updates were just so weird, balancing was all off... came back about 3 months ago, and turns out my dumbass was right.
what the hell man
So sad that Vigor never came to the master race PC.
I wished it so much, because I like the concept when I heard of it first time. I asume it was 2019, when I see a demo of it.
Seems that all DEVs have the same problems, compared to other great titels, same mistakes, or deaf to community.
Well, still wishing to play Vigor on pc.
I love you all raincoats!
if the game comes on pc, i think it will have a massive succes
Everyone always talks about a games potential... I know I did, going back to resistance 1 on ps3; MAG on ps3 (first console game that went to 128 vs 128; to silence the trolls...yeah it was more like 32 vs 32 times 4 compass points). This is just one of those games, like playing tag with the neighborhood kids, eventually you just stop.
Another problem is that the lag compensation is basic and to be generous , underwhelming. As the player base shrinks, it becomes more pronounced.... Your enemies in elimination are 2 Russians, 1 German and 1 Spaniard, and 1 Latin American : Your team is 2 Canadians and 3 united states. The latency is 130ms, up to 150ms....unless you got vets on your team it is going to be a common crate and a 1G xp bump. You will see corner lag, you will see teleporting, you will experience shots failing to register, you Will see your team drop down to 2 of 5 players. Then add in some dinks, who think cheating is ok
Bohemia drops the ball AGAIN. It's just DayZ all over again. Every time they have a game that gets big, its like they freak out and just want everyone to go away. They almost never handle success well. And I can't for the life of me understand why the game isn't on PC. Literally makes 0 sense. The game was made in unreal, it would take 2 months(as long as its not 1 person doing it). I've never got to try Vigor, pc player these days, but I really wanted to, and it was so obvious how much potential it had. When it was announced I thought bohemia hit the holy grail, combining survival shooters (which dayz is one of the best) with Tarkov extraction, and then a base building mechanic so you have somewhere you can chill out. I'd imagined this game before. But like usual, it was too good to be true and bohemia strangled the life out of it.... but idk, maybe bohemia has some crazy logic to this, because DayZ also has an amazing community. Maybe thats what it takes to get a good game community, just getting totally shit on and used by the devs.
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Great video foxman. Tho I do think you were a bit nicer than you could've been you hit the nail on the head. I don't think that a game that's two best attributes are "maps are pretty" and "has a lot of potential" should be rated high in any category when it comes to the game itself. The gunplay is still clunky, it's still an unbalanced mess, and the constant pay to win aspects shoved down your throats like the ticket system in Elim, instant crafting weapons with crowns, legacy season which apperntly that are removed, bought with crowns, and much more, I can't see how you can give vigor anymore than 5/10 at best.
I hope you do get an opportunity to be project lead
Hey 👋 fox 🦊, well said.
Hey Metalgod!
I REALLY tried to get into this game when I first got an Xbox one since before it I didn't have any games for next gen keep in mind apex legends keep in mind that there were no other big free2play fps at the time pubg still costed money and apex was in a very bad state and still don't enjoy it now. Also didn't have gamepass cuz I didn't have the money.
Vigor at first had abunch of potential crafting,resources,customization,weapons all there. The biggest problem for me is that Vigor has no idea what it wants to be let me explain it to make more sense.
Vigor has nothing to keep the player engage it has pvp but nothing comes from that pvp besides loot nothing feeling very accomplish to show, it wants you to collect materials to build up and craft but if dead you lose everything, you gain contact with someone before the storm but everyone wants to kill each other, emotes but no way to interact eith others with em,you have loadouts but can instantly lose them, you have a giant map to explore with only 1 thing to do to progress effectively.
There needs to be some kind of engagement for the player to get further in the game and keep playing and needs to find that fun loop. The game pushes you in with abunch of random things you have no idea where to have fun at and feels like a chore to do then an actual game. Unlike Vigor many fps and survival games know what they are to be fun like how halo is an millitary arena shooter and minecraft is an sandbox survival game of anything creative. Vigor is just grinding loot from players for some daily goal. Even destiny 2 the new Comer can have fun doing missions and the campaign even if they just joined in because of the interesting and fun characters,seasons,pvp, and abilities to master and actually have fun with friends in an open lobby with everyone compare to Vigor where it's a private lobby with nothing to do but chores. There's no climax in fun,no engagement,singular fun loop that does not last,and no interaction.
It's very important for a game to have SOME kind of interaction with the player either its an npc,mob,player then just hide or kill. Vigor has this kind of problem as you have enough hide from others or attack them and literally no one is a friend to you it's kinda saddening.
Anyway I'm not an expert at all this is just how I felt and the potential was there just not executed well maybe a story/lore or more possibilities of interactions would help maybe take some inspiration from minecraft or rust and have players not just kill but encourage to get along and have fun then just loot that would be a big step up imo to be abit more engaging.