Avilo's great counter strategy vs Proxy nexus
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More like "You pulled all your workers for 2min and you're still in?"
mules m8
yea, terran doenst need workers, we got mules ^^
I mean, he was mining the entire time he had the nexus building in the base and when he cancelled he gained back 300 minerals. Then avilo pulled his entire worker line to try to attack huk, who is now 16 mining workers ahead of avilo for a considerable amount of time...
How can Huk NOT be ahead economically at this point?
*pulls all scvs* *gets force fielded out* *claims toss being ahead is due to balance* There is a reason no one takes avilo seriously. He is literally the laughing stock of sc2
Nice play by Huk. It's almost as if he knew it would tilt his opponent and he just took advantage of it.
HuK knows avilo is a joke so he went complete troll mode.
Play the opponent not the race
conclusion=ZERG OP
Btw, just for the record. This nexus costed like 100 for the protoss. Why? Because he cancelled it, and got 300 minerals refunded. Basically he lost just one zealot worth of money. Meanwhile avilo runs through the entire map with SCVs, loosing who knows how much of the income.
To be fair it costed more than 100 minerals as the money (400 is alot early game) could have been spent on improving tech and economy instead. He cut probes to build it and the early probes have alot more impact than when you get more workers. So in the end he actually lost more than just 100 minerals, but that still didn't slow him down enough to make pulling the boys like that the best move lmao and to then cry about it afterwards is so sad.
Avilos display of his usually very pathetic behavior always makes me root for his opponent.
@@uuuuNB fair. but I remember when I wrote the original comment I didn't count the probe he sent to build a nexus, because considered him a scout. but yeah - workers on average bring 50-65 (or so) minerals, so yeah, you can easily count how much minerals he lost due to travel time and probes production cuts.
This felt like a 3 year old started playing after the nice hold.
Did Avilo realize that the nexus was cancelled? Or he thought he actually got protoss to waste 400? He should really watch the replay man.... it was his own mistake to all in at the worst time ever.
He doesn't watch replays unless he wins, which is why he never improves.
@@westonstevens3239 He actually does watch replays, win or lose. But only to try to prove the opponent was maphacking, stream cheating, or to prove game imbalance. Never once has he reviewed a replay to try to learn from a mistake. He's probably played 100000 SC2 games and still can only manage low GM on NA server, that's what happens when you never learn from mistakes.
This is why i love to see avilo play.. cause he is soo bad
lol wtf he goes so nexus in my base and your still in it? well ya dude you pulled out all your scvs and took a lap to his base and back wtf
they just took a short run to see the world before they die, cant blame em
Avilo trashtalking and crying all the time since C&C Tiberium Wars times. All talk, high ego, small skill.
OMG HE PLAYED C&C 3?
Small penis too man.
He's 5' 4" with a proportionate micropenis to go with it, speaking of small.
1:35 "this is crazy ben ...ehhhhh" ohhhhhh Kev you miss your MrBitter ;(
Are you trying to tell me that not mining for a full two minutes isn't a good strategy?
dat moment when forcefield....its rare that something makes me literlly lol but this managed to pull it off.
He was a tad early with it, if he had literally cut Avilo's army in half, Avilo would have left the game there and then.
That moment was so funny live, avilo is such a joke.
What would make you think that a proxy nexus cancel would have so much impact on a economy that you decide to pull all your scv's and go all in against protoss? He would have been fine if he had just stayed in his base and defend against the 4 gate.
Yeah Huk only lost 100 resources and a probe to that proxy. It really did very little to hurt his economy where as Avilo burnt his entire economy running it across the map for no reason.
the only thing whats ridiculous is avilo himself
BabyRage
Aww, you didn't add in his rage in game2?? Avilo tears are so yummy ^_^
Thing is, he canceled it, so its not like he lost 400 minerals, he only lost 100 minerals. That's not that expensive, that's just losing one proxy pylon, so idk why he was acting like the proxy nexus was a huge commitment which should've put the terran ahead.
this avilo guy, is just horrible lol.
2020 but the tears are tears and I do enjoy them >:3
Absolutely baffled what was that
Protoss fails the nexus rush kindof(they have the same wokers) but that all in scv was rly dumb.
That was full troll mode
Something that Avilo will never understand is that every game you lose is your own fault, if someone 4gates you its your fault, because you should've scouted it, if someone proxy nexuses you, I dont know what the counter is, but it is not to go full INnoVation and pull your SCV's when you are ahead
this will make salt prices drop
In 2014, Protoss has won 10/16 Tournaments, so it's doing pretty good this year.
Avilo = Best Foreigner *Kappa*
I don't know how he doesn't expect for Hyuk to have at least one sentry. I don't even understand how he reached Grand Master league, even I know what to do in a situation like that, and I woul've dropped hellions like crazy while storming the prottoss entrance.
This is bronze league heroes all over again.
pulls all scvs. wonders why behind. smh
What did Huk loose? 100 minerals and a probe? This wasnt even a big investment.
avilo is just a horrible player
came back to watch this again after the final of HSC IX ;)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD gotta love me my avilo tears :3
So, Huk invests 100 minerals and delayed tech for Avilo to throw the game. Guess we know why one was a pro and the other is trash lol.
End of the day though, if he got the nexus then that's 400 minerals but if he only gets the cancel that's a zealot, a measly 100 minerals. It's a problem that Terran has to find a counter for, like... oh I dunno, walling off?
Where is the nexus in his base? Where? Where? I cannot see it.
comedy gold
The sad thing is this doesn't even really constrain the protoss much at all. The net cost was 100 minerals for the protoss, after the cancel, and though he's temporarily down a total of 400, this is easily compensated by the limitations of what the terran can do, and the mining time he loses (Avilo pulled like 6 SCVs and barely killed it in time). It's not a tech choice, requires no micro, requires no gas, it does guaranteed damage (And tons more if the terran responds incorrectly) and it only costs as much as leaving a pylon in the natural, for instance, in the long run. Granted Avilo probably shouldn't have pulled all his SCV's, I still think he has a valid point to say that it's unreasonable for P to be able to do something like this without there being significant consequences or investment.
inb4 proxy hatches: Hatcheries don't turn into cannons with like 2000 health, they can make a (often very limited) quantity of units, which is no different from any proxy 2 gate or 2 rax.
Proxy hatch- Gets creep to block buildings, 1 larva to build zergling or drone, might get queen out. When killed after completion, spawns broodlings which can get 1/2 kills maybe if controlled. Seems pretty good for a 300 mineral investment? Not really, or pros would be doing this all the time. Clearly HuK does not see Avilo as a pro of equal skill level(and turns out that be was right) to do that type of stunt. Talking about the building cannons, I sorta want to see your same, flawed logic on Planetary Fortress rushes which should be clearly so OP vs Toss because it has high damage, splash, can be repaired, and Toss cant't lift!
Pie holic I don't really see your point. Or rather, how it addresses my points. Granted, I'm not a pro, and I wouldn't swear by my assessment of this or anything. I'm just saying that for the overall investment of 100 mins it seems a bit broken, and that it's more cost effective than the other races' equivalents. For instance, PF rushes require the CC to be completed (therefore the investment is at least 400 mins plus cancellation costs) and would hit later, and a proxy hatch does, in the scenario you described, cost 300 mins plus 200 for a queen and ling pair, and those are resources the zerg won't get back. Honestly though, this is interesting to me and I'm not an expert, so feel free to prove me wrong. I just don't see how anything you said really proved the my logic was "flawed," as you mentioned.
Also, for the record, pros do use proxy hatches fairly often. (as much so as any cheese) i.e. Scarlett vs Parting, Life vs Taeja.
Lol wtf m8 u cant just throw 400 minerals away at the early game for that lol. The nexus rush is an all in, if it dosent work then terran wins. How did huk win then? Because avilo is actually the meaning of pure shit, y the fuk did he pull the boyz, it was stupid and costed him the game. When u see a fuking nexus in ur base immediatly pull the scvs and kill it in like 20 sec. Then wow the all in failed, gg boyz. Literally so easy to hold its just avilo didnt know what to do.
Paul Choi Not really sure how the math comes out on this, but if the terran pulls enough SCVs to kill a nexus before it finishes, he definitely loses quite a lot of income. Again, the protoss only nets a 100 min loss, plus whatever probe production he would have cut, as opposed to all 400 (because he can cancel). You'd honestly have to run numbers to see what that really means for both, and I'm sure it'd depend on their respective builds, but given that for the terran to kill a nexus with SCV's would in fact take a lot of SCVs and time, I'd be willing to bet that the overall costs are at least comparable. In other words, it might be pretty close who comes out on top, but it definitely wouldn't be an instant "gg boyz" for either player. To find out who really loses out, you'd have to run the math on the mining time and worker production that was lost by both sides, as well as analyze HuK's overall build. (It doesn't show if he had to cut probes to make the nexus or if he just delayed his expo or what) If you wanna analyze it like that then by all means you might just prove me wrong. But "When u see a fuking nexus in ur base immediatly pull the scvs and kill it in like 20 sec" isn't really all there is to this game, at a pro level.
***** Go on starcraft and try to PF rush a guy. or proxy nexus. see how it goes. It seems you gotta do it to understand it. I just want to tell you that if it was such a broken strat, every pro would be using it on ladder.
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Change it to grate and you have an accurate title.
This seems so easy to counter. Let the Nexus finish, lift off buildings and fly to natural. Protoss loses 400 minerals and you lose a little mining time is all.
block ramp with supply and rax?
Such Based Avilo God Tier starts right there Mmm hmm.
Full game link pls
What you people don't understand is the fact that IF the nexus goes up, the game is over because overcharge will either deny an overly big amount of mining time or just kill every living shit around it self. The SCV pull was bad, I agree but the fact that Protoss can do that and be fine because terran has to commit hard to denying the nexus from going up that the game can only be in protoss favour or even and there's nothing terran can do to punish that play nor bajilion others because protoss presses a fucking button on the Nexus. That's the problem with this fuckin game that Avilo is so desperately trying to point out.
@Prototype GSL Code S might not be filled with protoss but is certainly emptied from all the Terrans, yes I know, it's because they dont know how to play the game right?
I respect anyone who bashes Blizzard, even if they're wrong.
What a terrible ideology
Robert Schwartzback I respect anyone who compliments Hitler. Even if he was a horrible person
Crazy game!
Number 1 - build a most expansive structure on enemy base;
Number 2 - cancel it near the end;
Number 3 - stay on the game as if nothing had happened;
Number 4 - say that ur terran opponent is a crybaby, couse game is perfectly balanced. : )
Love your skills, keep trollin on!
Number 1 - Fleet Beacon is most expensive
Number 2 - learn what happens when you cancel a building
Number 3 - get your calculations right
Number 4 - instead throwing your scvs across all the map for no reason, just let your marines kill them. The same logic but effect is much faster.
@@DruiiChannel 2: in a balanced game you would only get resources back based on percentage progress. :P
Then....Explain Polt, Flash, Bomber and many other terrans '-'..
why did he pull his scv's? (sorry not a sc2 player I just enjoy watching it)
He was hoping he could catch the toss off guard and win like that or maybe he was just being stupid cause he's a bad player lol. No one knows
+lostinflymusic Basically, Avilo thought to himself something like "HuK just built a Nexus in my base, I can take advantage of that mistake and kill him now." Avilo figured it was an all-in on his part, so saving the SCV's would do nothing for him, so he brought them along to take a few shots away from his Marines.
Except HuK didn't make a mistake. He cancelled his Nexus, and since he hadn't taken his second base he had a lot of money for early units, which were there to greet Avilo's all-in. Avilo then tried to return to his base, but after all that lost mining time and five workers killed for no gain, he was playing from WAY behind. That's why HuK was still "in it"; Avilo fucked up hard.
He was too stupid to notice that HuK cancelled the nexus warp-in which gave him most of his money back.
Why proxy nexus? Its doesn't train army unit wtf
A few years back you could overcharge a nexus with a mothership core, and the nexus would fire at everything in range of it, likely killing a bunch of Avilo's army and workers or at least severely disrupting things. Right now you can't do either of those things, mothership cores don't even exist anymore.
Thats not broken though because if he hadnt moved out and overeacted he couldve won that game even putting a cc in the expansion. The cc couldve gone planetary too in order to deal with it if the nexus went through or he couldve lifted and gone into the natural so many other options but he just threw the game. Also stop nerfing zealots
avilo is a g0d
Honestly, that was a really weak reaction by Avilo. You really shouldn't start the trashtalk if you handled the thing that bad, that wasn't even platinum level. The nexus delays any protoss units so heavily that at 5:40, when the nexus is cancelled, HuK hasn't even started working on that engineering bay blocking his natural expansion. So Avilo clearly sees that there's no expansion for HuK. He has to pull 6 SCVs whining hard and in the meantime he manages to leave 3 SCVs in gas the whole time floating >300 without any opportunity to spend it. Next he pulls almost all his SCVs knowing there is no greedy play to punish, HuK must have either gates or a stargate at that time. Why not simply start to build an expansion? 3 marines at a time + bunkers easily hold against 4 gate/stargate since there was probably no blink. But mining the gas was probably next level play...
Also, the whole thing is only scary if HuK manages to get his MSC in. With that amount of marines you could probably snipe it before that happenend if you really tried. Also, with bunkers up, he could just hurt the nexus enough to be eventually save by quickly pulling SCVs once PO is activated.
So many ways to deal with it, I don't think Avilo was put behind by HuK at all, he put himself behind. Simply poor play and a strategy he obviously never prepared for, therefore seems to be butthurt much.
+bozellandbuckley I think that's out of the question, or at least it should be. 7 minutes into the game, Protoss has no expansion., and Avilo knows. Avilo hasn't seen anything that gas has been spent on. But literally anything defends against what he did. Stalkers can kite endlessly. One oracle could have almost handled these marines by itself, never mind supported by ground and MC. Warp gate tech should in almost every case be finished by the time he hits Huks base at the latest (which is around 6:35). There is no way, literally no way Avilo can beat Huk with this attack. And a sentry almost has to be there, since Huk can always see the attack coming and just warp one in right on the spot.
wtf was that lol?
lololololol
avilo so noob
he is so bad lool
ahahhahahah, build a base in you base and be forward, new era of starcraft guys, hahahahahah...
che pagliaccio sei ahaahah
commento molto italiano il tuo, lasciatelo dire, molto molto italiano...
Ilpazzo Deipazzi posso sapere in che lega giochi?
in wol grnmaster con i toss. master random. tu?
Ilpazzo Deipazzi master zerg, mi dai il link del tuo profilo? così, per curiosità
Lmfao well don't fucking SCV pull. Why do terrans do that shit lol
terran can do the same thing on the same map, build a CC outside of protosses main, then make the cc to planetary then fly in with scv and repair and attack. ezpz stop complaining about protoss imba.
Planetary can't fly...
no but cc can
Maxime Goletto i dont play terran... but i got beaten by this strat couple times.
Troll
People never blame themselves . It is always race or teammate😂
Just like in real life! 😂
The question is... why is this even in sc2hl?
Popular demand.
Because it is hilarious to see when he thinks he knows something about this game when only thing he can do is abusing ravens. If ravens were not designed in stupid way they are he wouldn't even be in GM.
A terran whining about game balance. Yup. Totally bad for terrans. not like zerg can do fucking anything against any kind of turtle. totally. Now that swarm hosts are nerfed.
If Avilo wants to be a professional gamer he should act like one
On the otherhand SC2HL should be professional and not target another SC2 player
Fault on both sides I gotta say
huk is so terrible xD funny indeed
Just saw this after all these xD I'll leave a comment since it's my duty as a long time player and supporter of SC2 to.since I still am playing the game and streaming it after all these years.
The overwhelming hater comments about the game I played or my reaction to the game are the MINORITY.
The MAJORITY of players and people that watch SC2 must have agreed with me considering it's 2020 now, Blizzard has officially announced they are no longer supporting the game and SC2 is now in "maintenance mode."
This goes to show - respect your players, respect your community, balance your game, and when there are problems with the game either in terms of bugs, hacks, bad balance, and things players/spectators think need to be out of the game - ALWAYS ALWAYS LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS AND COMMUNITY.
I wish I could say laughing "haha I was right all along" but it's not really a thing to laugh about, I was always right about the things I called out about the state of SC2, and a lot of people have been very shortsighted and the SC2 community's attitude towards not pressuring Blizzard to fix things like swarmhosts, proxy nexus, mothershipcore, Protoss in general, and these things....if people had listened and spoke up earlier maybe we would all be anticipating SC3 right now instead of SC2 being on the shelf and most of the developers leaving to create a new RTS away from Blizzard due to even the devs being unhappy with Blizzard not allowing them to greenlight production of SC3.
Happy Holidays to SC2 players, fans, and spectators, hopefully you and I keep playing the game and keep it alive as long as possible :)
So, after 6 years, you are still salty about a loss that you had, and you have not taken the time to mature and realize that there are things that you could have done differently in this game?
What video are you watching? 99.99999% of the people in the comments are laughing at you in this video, not with you. Even wood leaguers think your reaction to the proxy nexus was imbecilic to say the least. But it's who you are, it's what you do, you're our village idiot.
sc2 is just bad... not a good rts like sc1bw
As much as I like BW, I still hate many of the game mechanics in that game. SC2 improved a lot gameplay wise.
Stefan Westermann From a player's perspective, I strongly agree with you. But from a viewer's perspective, I actually think BW probably edges it out, at least the BW that was being played in the last two or three years of its existence. It's possible that SC2 will be played better and more excitingly than BW by the time it is as old. However, I do like ZvT and ZvZ in SC2 better than their counterparts in BW.
Stefan Westermann zerg went from one of the most difficult micro races to pretty much scarlett beating bomber with 3 group keys...