A little more history on fishnet garments. They were first used in WWI by some of the English special op troops as well as during WWII. In the 1960's REI had the North American rights to Brynje fishnet tops and bottoms. After poly pro silk weight base layer, came on the market they stopped selling fishnet. Back in the day I wore both the tops and bottoms. Today I wear the poly pro tops and no longer feel the need for the bottoms. Modern poly pro has an antibacterial additive to the poly pro and don't stink. When wearing fishnet, I move the poly pro or merino wool base layer to the mid layer. The mesh fishnet against the skin wicks the moisture away from the skin to the mid layer. The voids in the mess are now moisture free and with a layer on top of the fishnet (mid layer of merino wool) become an added insolation layer against the body. To prevent buildup of the vapor inside the outer shell layer you need a ventilation system that allows the vapor to leave and keeps the heat in. There are several ways to do this. The best way in mild cold is to wear an outer shell that covers the butt and in extreme cold the shell reaching to mid-thigh. The people of the Artic have done this for thousands of years. The vapor goes out the bottom with little loss of body heat. In extreme cold never vent at the neck, always from the bottom. When the temp is not life threating pit zips allow moisture out but at the expense of evaporative cooling of the body. In warm weather fishnet under a ventilating shirt allows for the moisture on the skin moving up the wicking fishnet to evaporate cooling the body. The advantage of a fishnet inner layer and a separate wool mid layer is that give me three options, #just the fish net, #just the wool layer # both the fishnet and wool layer together. When wearing a merino mid layer make sure to treat the garment with Lanolin. Lanolin reduces the amount of moisture the wool can hold (cheap and easy to do, goggle) Sheep do it all the time to keep from getting waterlogged. Another mid layer option to dissipate vapor is to wear an Alpaca wool mid layer. Alpaca wool is naturally water resistant. If you are going to go Old School with fishnet why not dig out your Opinel knife and Seva 123. Three time tested oldies but goodies
It's the best in summer too. It's ideal anytime you will be sweating, which is deep winter or deep summer for me. Contrary to what people say the Brynje mesh isn't warmer, it just helps manage moisture better. In the summer it doesn't make you hotter.
I currently have three pieces of the poly mesh, the t-shirt style, and long sleeved style, both with the pack inlays. Then I have a pair of the men's long underwear. I've had one opportunity to wear them in a sweating situation when backpacking and I got down to only wearing my Brynje long sleeved top on a day in the low 60's and I was still warm. Aside from that, I've been testing my cold weather sleep system (I live in Indiana) with temperatures in the mid-teens the past week and I have been wearing my Brynje under a mid-weight merino wool set and have been very comfortable thus far. I'd like to buy a couple more pieces in the future.
Most definitely fishnet is the way to go, especially if one is a heavy sweater like myself. I find the short sleeve is all I need down into the 20’s. I have both the merino and poly versions. The merino one chafes my underarms and the synthetic version does not (I think it has to do with the seam?). Between 30 and 40 deg all I need is fishnet base layer and polyester sun hoodie. If windy, add a light nylon windbreaker while hiking. Below freezing add an alpha layer which breathes very well. I find merino holds too much moisture for me. A merino synthetic blend is much better. Better than merino is alpaca- far superior fabric.
I’ve been using a cheap polypro fishnet long sleeve cycling shirt last winter and this winter. My back still gets sweaty under my pack but apart from that area it has performed very well, not getting damp at all during hours of exertion. I wear an alpha direct mid layer and a hard shell over it that I zip/unzip the front and pits as needed to regulate temp. Maybe one day I’ll try Brynjie, but I feel they’re a bit overpriced. TH-camrs need to do some comparison testing of the cheaper options vs Brynjie to prove to me they are more functional.
Fishnets are great. I use them for my base in the military and with all my kit on it's hard to manage moisture. This helps give that gap. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that beanie when you get to try it out.
Perspiration isn't released as a vapor, as the dew point next to your skin makes that nearly impossible. Your body releases a liquid perspiration to cool itself by vaporizing (evaporating) the water. Solid base layers create pockets of higher humidity between your skin and the fabric creating a relative humidity near 100%. The gap in the mesh just moves the water to the next layer where the heat loss isn't at the skin surface.
'Wicking' has gained a weird meaning in outdoor gear. It actually means 'materials of which wicks are made'; the oil lamp wick that's supposed to just absorb oil. Wicking has somehow become 'absorbing and transporting sweat outwards' in outdoor terms. Zero experience with Brynje shirts but I get/like the idea, for winter conditions. And Scandinavian troops use them for a reason.
Thanks for making this video. I have seen others wear these mesh shirts. Quadzilla wears some. I think they are made by a company in Japan. Also expensive but you generally get what you pay for. These look like very well made. Take care
Well done video. I’ve thought about ordering a top from GGG but the sizing looks really weird. Will you share your height, weight and what size you wear? Thanks!
@@Ray_Here I am 6’, 160lbs. I have a long torso, wide shoulders and long arms. I wear a large. Fits good. They are form fitting, which is good for a base layer.
I did see that garage grown gear had these on sale for cyber Monday and Black Friday. Didn’t get it this time around, but definitely. I’m in the market for these layers! Love the thorough explanation on how these work!
You're doing a fantastic job! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
Fabric-wise, would you recommend the merino wool or the polypro fabric? They each have their pro's & con's: polypro wont stretch as much but it could absorb stink. Merino may hold moisture but may stretch with one's body. Sizewise, I normally fit into large tops without being tight unless its a slim athletic fit. About 5'8", 185 lbs, with a 42" chest & similar 42" belly. (I'm in shape...round is a shape.) Think a large would even fit me or should i size up to an XL like I've had to do with some slimmer garments? Much obliged.
In terms of the base layer torso fit, does it matter from a performance perspective if you get something a little loose, as opposed to something tight to the body that makes you look like a gay 70s stripper?
A little more history on fishnet garments. They were first used in WWI by some of the English special op troops as well as during WWII. In the 1960's REI had the North American rights to Brynje fishnet tops and bottoms. After poly pro silk weight base layer, came on the market they stopped selling fishnet. Back in the day I wore both the tops and bottoms. Today I wear the poly pro tops and no longer feel the need for the bottoms. Modern poly pro has an antibacterial additive to the poly pro and don't stink. When wearing fishnet, I move the poly pro or merino wool base layer to the mid layer. The mesh fishnet against the skin wicks the moisture away from the skin to the mid layer. The voids in the mess are now moisture free and with a layer on top of the fishnet (mid layer of merino wool) become an added insolation layer against the body. To prevent buildup of the vapor inside the outer shell layer you need a ventilation system that allows the vapor to leave and keeps the heat in. There are several ways to do this. The best way in mild cold is to wear an outer shell that covers the butt and in extreme cold the shell reaching to mid-thigh. The people of the Artic have done this for thousands of years. The vapor goes out the bottom with little loss of body heat. In extreme cold never vent at the neck, always from the bottom. When the temp is not life threating pit zips allow moisture out but at the expense of evaporative cooling of the body. In warm weather fishnet under a ventilating shirt allows for the moisture on the skin moving up the wicking fishnet to evaporate cooling the body. The advantage of a fishnet inner layer and a separate wool mid layer is that give me three options, #just the fish net, #just the wool layer # both the fishnet and wool layer together. When wearing a merino mid layer make sure to treat the garment with Lanolin. Lanolin reduces the amount of moisture the wool can hold (cheap and easy to do, goggle) Sheep do it all the time to keep from getting waterlogged. Another mid layer option to dissipate vapor is to wear an Alpaca wool mid layer. Alpaca wool is naturally water resistant. If you are going to go Old School with fishnet why not dig out your Opinel knife and Seva 123. Three time tested oldies but goodies
@@tomsitzman3952 I love alpaca. Good tip on treating wool.
Perfect! I was wondering about this exact topic just 2 days ago. Thanks for the video explanation. Cheers! 🍻
Love me some mesh gear. World of difference.
It's the best in summer too. It's ideal anytime you will be sweating, which is deep winter or deep summer for me. Contrary to what people say the Brynje mesh isn't warmer, it just helps manage moisture better. In the summer it doesn't make you hotter.
I currently have three pieces of the poly mesh, the t-shirt style, and long sleeved style, both with the pack inlays. Then I have a pair of the men's long underwear. I've had one opportunity to wear them in a sweating situation when backpacking and I got down to only wearing my Brynje long sleeved top on a day in the low 60's and I was still warm. Aside from that, I've been testing my cold weather sleep system (I live in Indiana) with temperatures in the mid-teens the past week and I have been wearing my Brynje under a mid-weight merino wool set and have been very comfortable thus far. I'd like to buy a couple more pieces in the future.
Most definitely fishnet is the way to go, especially if one is a heavy sweater like myself. I find the short sleeve is all I need down into the 20’s. I have both the merino and poly versions. The merino one chafes my underarms and the synthetic version does not (I think it has to do with the seam?). Between 30 and 40 deg all I need is fishnet base layer and polyester sun hoodie. If windy, add a light nylon windbreaker while hiking. Below freezing add an alpha layer which breathes very well.
I find merino holds too much moisture for me. A merino synthetic blend is much better. Better than merino is alpaca- far superior fabric.
I’ve been using a cheap polypro fishnet long sleeve cycling shirt last winter and this winter. My back still gets sweaty under my pack but apart from that area it has performed very well, not getting damp at all during hours of exertion. I wear an alpha direct mid layer and a hard shell over it that I zip/unzip the front and pits as needed to regulate temp.
Maybe one day I’ll try Brynjie, but I feel they’re a bit overpriced. TH-camrs need to do some comparison testing of the cheaper options vs Brynjie to prove to me they are more functional.
I've been wanting brynje mesh for a couple years now!
Wonderful information, a byrne top is on the list of Winter gear to try out. I think this year's purchase is a alpha direct '90 GSM top
Fishnets are great. I use them for my base in the military and with all my kit on it's hard to manage moisture. This helps give that gap. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that beanie when you get to try it out.
@@Brewtuhl l love the beanie. Like expected, head stayed warm and not as sweaty.
The mesh baselayer was also endorsed by Borat in 2006.
Perspiration isn't released as a vapor, as the dew point next to your skin makes that nearly impossible. Your body releases a liquid perspiration to cool itself by vaporizing (evaporating) the water. Solid base layers create pockets of higher humidity between your skin and the fabric creating a relative humidity near 100%. The gap in the mesh just moves the water to the next layer where the heat loss isn't at the skin surface.
I wish those mesh shirts weren't so expensive. More competition in the market is needed
@@jays7318 the polypropylene ones are more reasonable.
'Wicking' has gained a weird meaning in outdoor gear.
It actually means 'materials of which wicks are made'; the oil lamp wick that's supposed to just absorb oil.
Wicking has somehow become 'absorbing and transporting sweat outwards' in outdoor terms.
Zero experience with Brynje shirts but I get/like the idea, for winter conditions. And Scandinavian troops use them for a reason.
Thanks for making this video. I have seen others wear these mesh shirts. Quadzilla wears some. I think they are made by a company in Japan. Also expensive but you generally get what you pay for. These look like very well made. Take care
“Quadzilla”? What’s a quadzilla?
Nickname of a hiker, he has a TH-cam channel. Hiked the triple crown back to back amongst other things
@@maxsparks5183 He makes hiking videos of his long-distance hikes. Quadzilla is his trail name.
lots of good info. Maybe we need to change our thinking on things... 🤔
Well done video. I’ve thought about ordering a top from GGG but the sizing looks really weird. Will you share your height, weight and what size you wear? Thanks!
@@Ray_Here I am 6’, 160lbs. I have a long torso, wide shoulders and long arms. I wear a large. Fits good. They are form fitting, which is good for a base layer.
@ Thank you! We are about the same height and weight so I’ll go with the large.
I did see that garage grown gear had these on sale for cyber Monday and Black Friday. Didn’t get it this time around, but definitely. I’m in the market for these layers!
Love the thorough explanation on how these work!
You're doing a fantastic job! A bit off-topic, but I wanted to ask: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
Fabric-wise, would you recommend the merino wool or the polypro fabric? They each have their pro's & con's: polypro wont stretch as much but it could absorb stink. Merino may hold moisture but may stretch with one's body.
Sizewise, I normally fit into large tops without being tight unless its a slim athletic fit. About 5'8", 185 lbs, with a 42" chest & similar 42" belly. (I'm in shape...round is a shape.) Think a large would even fit me or should i size up to an XL like I've had to do with some slimmer garments?
Much obliged.
@@MikeycatOutdoors I’d do the poly just because it is cheaper. As long as you don’t mind it being a little tight around the belly, I’d get a large.
Their Norway website has a very generous military discount if that helps anyone.
Fabrics treated with silver, fight odors.
My mom bought me a playboy for xmas back in early 80s. The cover story was about NCAA wearing mesh jerseys.
In terms of the base layer torso fit, does it matter from a performance perspective if you get something a little loose, as opposed to something tight to the body that makes you look like a gay 70s stripper?
@@andymytys I prefer the snug fit because I will always have another layer or 5 on top of it. Trying not to look like Ralphie from Christmas Story.