Why MESH is the WARMEST Baselayer possible
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ย. 2023
- The Worlds Best Baselayer is...MESH!? It may seem like an absurd concept for keeping warm and cold weather layering, or at least I used to think so. Right up until I got myself some and put them to the real test.
Since then, it’s my absolute go-to for winter warmth.
HERES WHAT I USE: Tops and bottoms, I use the merino wool mesh primarily: www.brynjeusa.com/product/uni...
For a less expensive option, the synthetic is fantastic.
Also a note, this is also incredible for HOT weather. Synthetic's downside is it tends to have an odor compared to wool, but its a minor downside IMO: www.brynjeusa.com/product/uni...
My preferred closed weave baselayer is generally Merino Wool as well, there's lots out there - many brands make this stuff so you can google search around. I use this Firstlite Kiln top and the zippered bottoms: amzn.to/3MWsGbl
Wiggys also produces mesh, but I don’t find it as good quality at all, so I don’t personally recommend it. - although it is cheaper in price, it’s also only available in nylon, which I find inferior to both the polcolon synthetic and merino brynje versions.
Link here: www.wiggys.com/clothing-outer...
With such incredible qualities, it's not surprising that Mesh has played a huge part in many expeditions:
- *1953* First ascent of Mt. Everest - Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay
- *1993* Unarmed to the South Pole - Harald Hauge, Cato Zahl Pedersen and Lars Ebbesen
- *1998* North Pole Express - Sjur Mørdre and Lars Ebbesen
- *2004* The first Norwegian woman to climb Mt. Everest - Randi Skaug
- *2005* South Pole - Liv Arnesen and Ann Bancroft
- *2010* Fastest solo crossing to the South Pole - Christian Eide
- *2012* The youngest to cross the Antarctic - Teodor Glomnes Johansen
- *2013* The first person to cycle across Greenland - Juan Menendez Granados
- *2014* The first person to cycle solo and unsupported to the South Pole - Juan Menendez Granados
For some of your own due diligence on the mesh tech, check out this research paper which I referenced in the video:
www.researchgate.net/publicat...
#winterwear #Baselayer #outdoors
It doesn't matter your expedition, it's for hunters, climbers, cross-country skiers, cyclists, ice fisherman, winter campers, snowshoers and ordinary families. Everyone can benefit!
Thanks for watching!
Your friend,
DJ
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*HERES WHAT I USE:* Tops and bottoms, I use the merino wool mesh primarily: www.brynjeusa.com/product/unisex-long-sleeve-shirt-inlay/ref/4/
For a less expensive option, the synthetic is fantastic.
Also a note, this is also incredible for HOT weather. Synthetic's downside is it tends to have an odor compared to wool, but its a minor downside IMO: www.brynjeusa.com/product/unisex-super-thermo-long-sleeve-shirt/ref/4/
My preferred *closed weave baselayer* is generally Merino Wool as well, there's lots out there - many brands make this stuff so you can google search around. I use this Firstlite Kiln top and the zippered bottoms: amzn.to/3MWsGbl
My Outer Waterproof Jacker is Outdoor Research but a style they don't make anymore - here's the upgraded 2.0 version:
bit.ly/47KC5KR
Wiggys also produces mesh, but I don’t find it as good quality at all, so I don’t personally recommend it. - although it is cheaper in price, it’s also only available in nylon, which I find inferior to both the polcolon synthetic and merino brynje versions.
Link here: www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/2nd-layer-mesh-long-underwear/
As a disclaimer, I reached out to Brynje to get an affiliate link that helps support my channel instead of taking on random sponsorships to support the channel. I only do this if it’s gear I’ve already owned and thoroughly believe in, and can give my Bear Essentials stamp of approval.
I think i fixed it just now. Let me know, for the closed weave I suggest something with a deep zipper on the chest so you can air out fast when you need it. @@jyutzler
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I have known of brynje for many years now.
So good to hear from people who actually understand what they are talking about for a change. Initially when I tried to get some sent to the uk years ago I was met with a puzzled response from brynje but I kept an eye on them and now you can order online, its near the top price you’ll expect to pay for a base layer and is also available in merino wool. I’ve been using it for a while now. I work outside all year in all weathers and I have never found anything that works better. Thank you for bringing some sound knowledge on this subject. Air is your best insulator.
@@BiggMohey Mo, I think it’s pinned now. Sorry I’m brutal with tech sometimes
@@jamiebixby6782so refreshing to hear everyone’s responses and sharing experience with this. I almost never hear it talked about!!! Thank you.
Basically, it's a structure that separates your insulation from your skin so that water doesn't condense directly on your skin and form a thermal bridge to the outside.
100% right!!
100%
Funny that you mention Norway. One of the items that every conscript gets when they enlist is exactly this, fishnet top and bottoms, and it's used A LOT. At least in northern Norway.
It really works like nothing else.
I had a 10 km skiing trip during my mandatory service, and used nothing but fishnet and a goretex-type jacket and pants, in -20, no problem what so ever.
Yeah, but Norwegians are hardcore cold weather badasses. Don't forget about that.
@admacdo this right here.
@@admacdocan confirm. The British military go to Norway a lot so their soldiers can learn about cold weather warfare. They are extremely knowledgeable.
I live in the city were Brynje’s main office is. It’s a place called Larvik in sothern part of Norway. Many years ago I stopped by them and explained that I was heading up in the Arctic for work and I needed something warm and reliable since I was going to stay there for many weeks. They kitted me up with mesh and merino.
Since then I have sworn by their products.
Each Christmas my entire family knows what they will get from me. When you find something that works and is reliable you stick to it.
Good to know my gothic wardrobe will be handy for survival scenarios too 🤭
Hahah! Always be prepared
Yep. I bought a couple of mesh T-shirts, as fashion items for the night clubs, back in the 80s. They didn't get much wear until just recently when i decided to try them for outdoors activewear. They work very well. I'm usure what their material is -- could be poly-cotton -- but i noticed that in the dryer they dry as quickly as polyester T-shirts.
I am looking for one and doing research right now.Probably a Brynje. I came up with it when I remembered my granddad . He was wearing a mesh base layer (when it was still just called undershirt) in winter and I found it strange back then. He obviously knew about the benefits: he was navy veteran and walked through Norway (Narvik) 1940 ).
In the military we worked with most countries in Europe before the fall of the Berlin wall. All the Scandinavian countries and the Brits used those same items.
What did we have... Frickin cotton long johns. Death in the wet cold of Europe before we had Gore Tex items.
We would buy those mesh undergarments and used them. They also had waxed jackets and over pants that would go over the wool uniform items.
After the fall of the wall we worked in former yougoslavea in the UN. Russians and other countries were using those mesh item then also. My wife who is Russian said that is the norm during the winter.
I still have mine, use them to include the mesh commando scarfs.
Brilliant kit and great informative Video!
Wow, that is incredible, you sound like a wealth of knowledge and experience. I’d love to sit down and hear stories from a person like you. Just listen and absorb all you have to share!
@@TheBearEssentials learned a lot from those guys. We had a great mix of people.
Any time...
Back in the 1960's a friend of my Fathers knitted my brother and I, wool mesh undershirts. It has been used as a base layer for a very long time by people who learned the hard way, how to stay warm before modern fibers.
Mesh merino baselayer shirt is likely to be my next knitting project. Does this mean that lace sweaters are warmer than the plain ones when worn underneath some shell?
A wool mesh undershirt, sounds really uncomfortable. I imagine it would be itchy...?
I use brynje mesh for cycling , bikepacking in 3 and 4 season weather and it definitely works . Will often wear a wool or polyester t shirt over the top .
If hiking in wet weather the mesh baselayer pants keep the wet trousers away from skin , and it reduces the times u nerd to wear waterproof trousers . So may wear a mesh baselayer pants and a thin polycotton or nylon trouser over the top that dries quickly in 3 plus season weather
Amazing!! Thank you for sharing this!!
Too great to explain! My grandfather wore those exact white mesh undershirts all the time! WW2 vet...tough as nails generattion...built like a bison...thanks for confirming!
Built like a bison, haha! That’s a great term.
What a warrior, sounds like a great man. Thank you for sharing.
I learned about mesh decades ago, but never saw it for sale. Very interesting and I appreciate you bringing it back to my attention. 👍
Thx a bunch, ya it’s hardly ever advertised.
My ex-wife was into knitting for a while. I theorized that hole-y "Afghan" -style blankets make most sense as an inner layer since they'd form structure around pockets of air while relying on outer layers to seal the pockets. I didn't appreciate the moisture-control aspect until now, though. Thanks for another great video!
I got a cotton blanket and wondered how it keeps me warm with so much room for air to escape. It really does feel cooler but still gets warm and does it without getting uncomfortable and sweaty.
Thx for sharing this!! Ya the old school mesh like they used on Everest in 1953 was basically cotton
Your channel is nothing but absolutely invaluable knowledge and information - thank you!
Thank you so so much!
I like the mind blowing effect at the start
Thx!! levelling up my vid skills, my editor is PRO!
Just dropped by to say how much I appreciate this for focusing on valuable information over endless product plugs. It's a breath of fresh air to see content that encourages us to think before buying, rather than pushing us to accumulate gear we might not need.
Cheers for keeping it real and helping us focus on the essence of camping and hiking! 🌲👍
Wow thank you so much for saying this.
Trying to be a trustworthy resource to everyone here
In Russia we use a very coarse weave / heavy thread fishnet against mosquitos. The space between the fishnet and the outer layer makes it impossible for them to reach your skin.
Everything you said is true, but mesh can be uncomfortable under straps and belts where it focuses the pressure on your skin. In the sixties and seventies, it was common, but fell out of fashion because it becomes uncomfortable fairly quickly. We wore the shoulders of t-shirts and sashes under belts to prevent this, but other baselayers work well enough and replaced it. That's why it's been hard to find over the last 40 years. Love your channel.
The brands mentioned addressed this problem long time ago. I use wool mesh shirts from Aklima in Norwegian winter ski hiking trips. Never had any problem you said.
Both Brynje and Aclima have inserts on shoulders which removes this issue. Also these new mesh shirts are thinner so the issue is much less pronounced.
@@strippingwelsh1icebreaker has solid shoulders and kidneys and mesh in the armpits, chest and spine.
Quite rare to find a good video on mesh, thank you. Have been using for years, mountains here and training up in arctic. Definitely under-rated and less well known. Mesh under with a terry merino base over it is pretty much unbeatable in deep cold (standard issue). Good vid and explanation, thanks. C.
Thanks C !
I couldn’t agree more with the combo.
I’m experimenting this winter with a mesh base and then adding more mesh on top. Every 10C drop, one more mesh layer. I’ve heard good things.
@@TheBearEssentials Hi, Thanks for the reply. Never crossed my mind to try more than one but makes sense. Sounds it should work, be very interested to see how it goes. I got to know the mesh from the swedish arctic guys, out days on end, it really works. Discovered jerven bags the same time also. The Scandi's really know what they are doing. Thanks again.
@@Swisswoodsif you have Instagram, please shoot me a msg there id love to chat. Are you in North America? Where do you get your Jerven bag from if so.
Hi, Replied but don't see it (?). Sorry, dont have instagram or others, just here. I'm Swiss/Switzerland. The main .no site can send the bags for you, I highly recommend.
What was the name of the place that can send the Jerven bags?
I found out that synthetic mesh base layer and waffle fleece on top plus really light weight wind jacket is awesome combo for outdoors. For me synthetic feels as it stays drier than merino mesh but haven't tried the really light version of merino mesh. Synthetic one I wore daily in cold time of a year. I use Svalas synthetic mesh and devolds and aclimas merino wool versions. Merino thou feels more fragile compared to synthetic. Great to see mesh undies starts to be more known again and there is more options to pic.
Your explanation of layering was easy to follow and while "simple", it doesn't skip on the explanation of how water moves through layers. I've used a mesh shirt as next to skin for a long time but seeing the wool mesh reminds me of an alpha direct hoodie so I'm intrigued enough to buy. It's not an expensive option if the performance is there. We are in the world of $15,000 bicycle frames so it's not a stretch for this shirt. It's awesome seeing companies using more layering theory when it comes to clothing ecosystems instead of a cookie cutter approach where performance is always lost while cost stays high because "features"
Thank you so much. I’d say look into their super thermo, which is the polycolon blend for biking. It’s a bit less expensive too!
Fish net was first used by fisherman in the North Sea.. They would wrap themselves in their nets to stay warm. The British special ops used fish net in both the First and Second World War. In the past it was made from cotton rope which after time the arm pits rotted out. Today you have three choices, Traditional cotton, Poly pro and a Poly Merino blend. I use the poly blend and haver it on as I type. under a light weight silk sweater. I started wearing cotton fishnet back in the late 60's when REI had the North American rights. Around the time Polu Pry undershirts came out REI gave up their rights to fish net. For years I wore poly pro as my base layer under my wool mid layer and it worked, but not like fish net. A year ago, I found out Brynje brand fish net is now available in the USA and within days was back wearing it. after almost 40 years. It is so comfortable. I sleep in it, bike in it wear it to the store under a sweater. Basically I never comes off. They have three tops, long sleeve, short sleeve and no sleeve. They also have bottoms. If you are an old time and read Colin Fletchers book The Complete Hiker from about 1969 he talked about the virtues of Fish net. He wore it during WWII in the British Army as well as hiking. As you remember from High School Physics, Dead air is a great insulator. The poly pro version should last for years. A great year around version and easy to take care of. My former merino base layer is now my mid layer with my wind shell holding in the warmth, If I need a second mid layer I put my alpaca sweater over the merino instead of sheep wool. The scales on the alpaca fibers are different than the merino scales so they slide over each other without interlocking.
😊 a perfect closed mesh, thin second layer would be silk.
This connected some dots in my mind that I've been confused about for years. I've noticed that, often, just a wool base layer makes me feel colder; especially on my legs. I assumed it had to do with the contact on my skin, and I understood how air=warmth, but never really understood how to raise a base layer away from skin to keep me warm...so I would often just not even wear it.
Thanks for the advice!
You’re so welcome, thx for sharing your perspective and story, I’m glad the vid helped ya!
Your content is FANTASTIC!❤ I'm definitely going to crochet myself some mesh baselayers! ❤
Thank you!!
Thank you for linking places to buy! I hadn't thought about mesh base layers being an actual thing in other places, but it makes sense now that I know, lol. I figured out a thin mesh--no matter the material--made a surprisingly warm but still fairly adaptive base a few years back, half on accident. I'd bought some nylon mesh pants and shirts to use as a way to keep from getting so many ticks (or at least make it easier to find and remove them); my problem with what I'd been using is a) the static and b) I'm fairly sure they're actually meant to be worn nightclubbing or somesuch and they aren't exactly made of sturdy fabric and c) I'd really rather not wear plastic if I can help it.
Did they work for ticks??
The mesh one I use works well for mosquitos, keeps the sweat off my skin in the summer and with another layer overtop the mozzies are a bit far from my skin so they can’t get at me lol.
@@TheBearEssentials the fine mesh works pretty well for ticks--they just crawl over it. I think they could bite through if they really wanted to but they don't seem to.
Instead of buying from Brynje USA, I bought mine from their Norwegian website. They offer free worldwide shipping for any order above 1500 NOK or a flat 149 NOK for any order below. And you get VAT exemption if you are outside EEA apart from UK. So that's like 20% discount right off the bat. And 1500 NOK is really easy to reach, for better or for worse...
This is why they made the waffle pattern base layers.
It's like a closed layer weave shirt where you have areas of thicker fabric connected by small channels of really thin fabric. One could almost say that the thinner lines of fabric are a micro mesh because you can see right through it. If you hold this fabric up to the light, you can clearly see through the thinner lines of fabric. These channels provide you with some breathable pockets of air and you get the thicker areas between those channels to wick away sweat AND they have some loft to also hold air and keep you warm.
It's the best of both the closed weave base layers and open mesh base layers.
One of the most informative and well produced videos yet!! Gotta get me some fishnets!
Colin Fletcher, served six years in the Royal Marine Commandos during World War II, and he mentioned they used it too.
Thanks for sharing this!
In the Norwegian army we marched in -20°C with only mesh and a non insulated white camo outer layer
When on the move and with a 35kg backpack + gear, that was all we needed to keep warm.
As they say in Norway (where mesh is used a LOT), "There’s no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothes."
(although I still think there's a such thing as bad weather)
In the 90s I had an tank top from Odlo wich was made of lose fit fishnet. It was advertised as an sportshirt or basic insulation layer. The desing was a bit extream for wearing with running in the city, but as an base layer it worked perfectly for me. Very warm without any sweat problem.
I know next to nothing about layering, but I was still able to understand your presentation clearly. Thank you!
Been using Brynje netting for 10 years both in military service and during other activities. it's simply the best, used it in -36 degree Celsius/-32.8 degrees Fahrenheit when on a 110 km
mountain skiing trip and in +10 degrees celsius/50 degrees fahrenheit and it works for both! (wool terry cloth over it for the coldest one while stationary)
If it's only -15 degrees Celsius/5 degrees Fahrenheit you don't even need another layer on top when being active. (in combination with gotrex shell)
Truly an underrated garment for just about any activity. Dries quickly, can be taken off and shaken for leaning most of the dead skin cells if worn for an extended period and it's light weight.
NFL player Joe Namath use to wear women's panty hose under his uniform as a layer to keep warm in cold weather. Strange changer
I think he was on to something. LOL @ Strangechanger! ahha
I had friends in the military that would wear them when running or marching to keep from chafing
Do they still sell pantyhose????
Yes they still sell pantyhose😂
@@mikewoo5488did they wear stockings and suspenders on nights out down town. 💃
best base layers I ever had....it's unreal!
Couldn’t agree more!
Appreciate the passing on your knowledge! Definitely going to give this a go
Right on Steve, you’ve been right there with me from the start. Thanks for always supporting brother.
Great catch on an under appreciated fabric/design amongst US long-distance hikers and US companies. The Norwegians definitely know what they are dong in cold weather!. You might be interested in the mesh-like Alpha Direct fabric (synthetic). Some smaller US hiking cottage companies have started making tops (and bottoms) in AD, which seems to have some of the same properties. Senchi Designs is one of the leaders. Thx for the review
This is the first non-short I've seen from this channel. Always excellent content. Not sure if you already have some videos on this topic, but I'd love to see some videos about survival eating, like wild fruits, bugs, and whatnot.
Hey Daniel, sure brother. I don’t have much on that sort of survival eating just yet. Most is sharing knowledge applicable in diff environments. But I’ll move toward that as I continue! Thx for tuning in.
-DJ
I checked the link and see that this brand offers top and lower/ long johns in merino wool 80%. That sounds like a good fabric. I use Merino or bamboo as my base layer daily.
Ya, some people really like the poly version as it doesn’t absorb any water at all. I like merino myself. Nice that they offer options!
I didn't even watch 1 sec of this video.
Just saw the title and came here to say, I've got the fishnet wool baselayer from ACLIMA or Brynje and it's the best you can get. I love it. Important is, that it is wool or synthetic if you want but never cotton...never ever
100% true.A mesh layer has always been the way to go but as is usual in modern society , other products have been promoted purely to get sales , most of those products are shameless cons.
Always the best info out there. You consistently offer practical and valuable help. Thank you DJ.
Thanks so much, I’m really glad to have a good community and supports around me like yourself. 👊
Brilliant video, thanks! A concise, on point, quality production.
I haven't HEARD of it, but I've USED it. Made sense to me then and now 👍
I checked your links, and think i need to save up. This has actually worked pretty well for me with standard "fashion" fishnet layers, but to have a MERINO WOOL one?? 🤩🤩 HEAVEN 🥰🥰
The prices are the challenge, but for anyone else considering this ... I've realized I can purchase one or two peices a year, and won't likely ever need more than a few bottoms and about twice that for tops. Wash gentle and hang dry, and they'll usually last for 10+years.
The difference good quality can make is just phenomenal 👍
Happy trails all!😊
Thanks for sharing this, yeah I think the weaving method takes quote a bit more work than standard stuff. Also Id imagine theyre getting it over from norway or such, not many suppliers here it seems.
This channel is so awesome I learn more here than I ever did in the army, infantry unit.
Epic explanation of how fishnet base layer works..well done. This has been explained by Gerry Cunningham in his short book on the Outdoors and by Jerry at Wiggy’s in Junction Colorado. Wiggy’s actually sells the fishnet as well as Brynjeusa. It really does work! Cheers from Nova Scotia…MikeR.
Very informative and well put together video. Nice work.
Thanks for watching, much appreciated brother!
As a bonus you can go Freddie Mercury at the steelworks with a simple top strip.
🤣🤣
And AIDS
I’ll need to give this a try, my go to base layer has been merino wool, but my favorite of all time was a thin silk base layer ( so thin you could see through it ) that is no longer made and sadly, being made of silk it finally just wore out.Thanks for all your hard work to bring us these videos
I'm using cheap decathlon base - and have a couple of them.
What Ive found (surprise...) Is those with lots of vent holes or made of mesh like material are the best.
Dry quicker, don't get overly saturated give me the best thermal comfort in diff temperatures.
The ones from usual closed fabrics just stay wet. I'm not using them anymore when hiking, only for exercise
This totally makes sense. Many years ago there was a lot of talk among deer hunters in my area about wearing panty hose as a base layer under a pair of pants. Many swore by it but it seems to have been abandoned and forgotten. I guess it takes a real man to wear panty hose. LOL!
I have heard about this method but I guess this might have been before the wide availability of modern baselayers. My winter baselayer is much warmer than any pantyhose I have. I wonder if fishnets might work even better as they are mesh... Might as well try out wearing fishnets under wool socks someday.
So, grandpa's string vest really was the best thing to wear.
Same with the silk scarf you see in old pictures of 1920's and 30's pilots and bikers of the period. If they understood the science is debateable, they just new that it worked !
Wow you’re so right, it’s cool to see it everywhere now that the science makes sense !
Now I’m wearing my heels and jockstrap on trails, outdoor has never been the same 🙌
Ok I'm sold. I'll try wearing this under my Yak/marino wool base layer to see if I'm dryer/warmer. Thanks for sharing the idea✌️
You’re very welcome. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised
@@TheBearEssentials- Unfortunately, it looks like Brynje is out of stock of my size shirt. But even if they were in stock, according to the sizing chart they dont make leggings in a 29x32 size so I may have to wait until more manufacturers pick up on this trend. Ah well, I've survived the cold this long 😄. I can wait.
This makes me want to take up knitting again! Mesh is really easy to make and lace weight wool yarn is fairly inexpensive. I could knit myself something way cuter than what I've been using as base layer!
Go for a heavier weight than lace weight. Make the holes 3/8" Go with a fish net weight.
That’s genius!!! I’d buy one please :)
I definitely use a net scarf/bandana on my head in the scorching hot summers we have here, in southern Europe.
When selecting a cotton one, it does wick in the water and it's still is super breathable, unlike your plain cotton bandana.
It's sold as a tactical mesh, but works great to cut off some of the sun. If you fold that bandana into a triangle, you may cut off some of the sun hitting you too. Depending on the material and the space in the net, you may get a better sun attenuation and it will evacuate the sweat much faster, it will dry faster too.
But I haven't thought of using it also as a 1st layer. I'll definitely give it a try! thanks for making this video.
That’s great! Honestly really smart. Some of the traditional mesh layers were surprisingly made of cotton and worked very very well.
As always, your video is great. Nice CG visuals on this one.
Thanks for brining mesh to my attention. Bought the mesh-shirt from brynje and it worked very properly during the first hikes...
Interesting… my ski gear has had a mesh inner lining for decades and I never gave it a thought. I’ve gone from blind trust to educated. Thank you
Oh that’s incredible! I’ve seems some high tech baselayers subtly incorporate this in with the closed weave overtop. I think it’s hard for them to sell the “mesh” because of fashion lol
Definitely want to see any man wearing fishnets at deer camp.
Will totally make camp more fun for everyone except maybe him. But my Cabelas arctic base layer is built with this concept as well as my Sitka heavyweight hoody.
Amazing information that I’ve never heard of until now! Great work!
Thx Zig n Vader 😁
I’m wearing mesh as a base-layer when cycling or trail running for over 25 years. It’s good for ALL seasons! In the early 2000s mesh was heavily out of fashion, just like 70s disco, and really hard to get.
Well done! Its not everyday I learn something new that makes so much sense. 👍
Soooo well done ,as usual, DJ.
Thanks Weston, much appreciated.
Honestly to do this I had to immense research, wrote a 5000 word blog on everything baselayers, then had to break it all down into 5 minutes in a way that explains the right info but isn’t too complicated or boring lol! I think it worked well. But was a lot haha
I've been testing fishnet as my base layer for the last two months with great results. I use the dual layer Wiggys brand mesh. My only complaint so far is that the mesh isn't made from wool, and the Wiggys brand doesnt have the wool shoulder panels that the Norwegian stuff has. This causes things to be a little more " slippery" as far as pack shoulder straps etc
That explains the rain pants I bought for my old job. They had a mesh inner liner, never knew why
Oh man that’s awesome. Ya some companies incorporate it in a sly way!
Oh man that’s awesome. Ya some companies incorporate it in a sly way!
To keep warm you need a close fitting layer over the mesh [and you can double the mesh layer to increase loft...and expense]....to keep cool a loose fitting layer like a wind smock over the mesh that allows air to flow easily...venting as necessary....you may well feel too cold it works so well.
Wow, never knew, but it makes perfect sense. Great info. Thank you so much, DJ! 🙏
You’re very welcome, thank you for stopping by to watch!! I appreciate the support as always.
You're right, mind blown💥 what an interesting concept
Ah I’m so glad it lived up to expectations
Yep, some of the old ideas are still the best. Been a few comments about waffle or grid fleece fabrics. While they work pretty well I've found that if I hand wash these they hold water far more than a plain fabric ( both wringing and drip dry ). If you wash in a machine you wouldn't notice because of spin dry. I guess it's because the grids of fleece aren't connected. Not much of a problem normally but if you fell into water in winter say ...
I first learned of fishnet base layers back in the early 1970s. I had a cotton (!) pair I ordered from REI. I wore it under a wool shirt or wool sweater. Seem to work well. This was before poly propylene base layers came along.
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I bought my first Brynje 15 years ago. Only 2 minor issues : you got a "lizard skin" on yours shoulders with the pression of your pack straps and polypropylene retains odors. I think a merinos mesh with a piece of cloth over the shoulders would be perfect.
Great idea, lol ya the lizard skin is hilarious. Great idea. I have the merino one and haven’t noticed any bad smell but that’s merino’s advantage. The poly is awesome too I’ve heard tho! Aside from odor.
They sell them now with shoulder padding for straps , the rest is all right said Fred
@@TheRst2001 fantastic!
@@TheBearEssentials : In fact, I've just checked on Brynje website, they offer now merino shirt with shoulders patches. I was outdated. The poly is really very effective. Woolpower Ulllfrotté are great too but not fishnet.
@@TheBearEssentials I recently saw a video about the new military uniform in sweden and they had a fishnet + merino patch baselayer.
Spot on! Many years ago, I had a set of fishnet underwear that was amazingly warm and comfortable. Eventually, it wore out, and I couldn't find it anywhere (pre-internet days). Now, I'm going to look fot it. Thanks.
Thanks for the link dj I love this channel this guy is the man
Anytime Steven, you’re the man 🤘
@@TheBearEssentials I've been a subscriber for a while now I watch all your videos what you teach the outdoor community is just off the wall your outdoors knowledge is right up there with ray mears and company and you explain things so well that's what I think is so important and you seem like a great person to have as a friend witch I consider you as. Keep the videos coming and stay well my friend....
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I really appreciate this information. Thank you!
Excellent video, always a wealth of information.
Thanks a bunch ! I appreciate the suppprt!
Interesting. I might have to try this for my bike rides, until summer.
This is amazing information.
Thank you. I’m glad you liked it!!
Totally makes sense and I've never heard anyone talk about this until now.
Thanks Jay! Glad to introduce some people to this tech! I found it incredible
🤯 Wish I'd known this years ago when I used to lug around my photo gear and freeze my butt off after taking a hill and opening up my jacket for some air. Thankfully, now I know. 👍
Ya, there’s been times I really could have used this in the past. Really grateful to know!
Never heard of mesh baselayers before. Thank you very much.
You are very welcome!
I think you may have just sold me on mesh base layers! Going to go get me some to try out! Thanks!
Right on.
I’ve linked a couple in my comments and description. I wear the brynje merino, but I think the superthermo might even be better, and much less expensive. Only thing is it gets an order like any other synthetic would.
great content dude
Never knew this, but makes perfect sense!
Big fan of woolnet. Used them for decades here in Norway after being introduced to them as a conscript.
I have hyperhydrosis and these have helped
This is really interesting. I will definitely try, it makes a lot of sense to me
Excellent, thorough work, sir. Your uploads never disappoint.
I got turned on to three things a few years ago that has made life and outdoor life WAY more comfortable and pragmatic:
Mesh/fishnet layers
Microfiber layers
Dri-Works layers
Depending on the temperature and dampness outside I can mix/match some variation of those three and I will be more cool when it's hot, more warm when it's cold, and more dry if its raining better than anything else I have ever tried, without fail.
Genius! Can you explain the Dri works one, I’m not 100% familiar I don’t think?
@@TheBearEssentials It's basically a type of weave/material on some of the clothes from the brand Athletic Works, like a soft and breathable mini honeycomb fabric that keeps air flowing and features DriWorks moisture-wicking technology. I get most of mine off Amazon but Walmart carries the brand as well. They are very reasonable price-wise and is the only thing I wear now in summer because I work outdoors. So far they've held up quite well.
Just learning about mesh now, but I use DriWorks and love it! Might try using mesh under for running.
Can you explain what microfiber is? Is that the same as the closed-loop weave on top of the base layer?
Thanks for sharing this! I ordered one and I'll compare how it performs vs merino and synthetic base layers.
Thanks for such great tips not motivated by adverts and stuff
You are incredible. Thanks for recognizing this. Much appreciated with your donation!!
It works very good, i bought first on mesh shirt to test. Now i have 5 for different activities
Brynje is Norwegian and great. Other Norwegian brands that have wool mesh shirts are Aklima and Devold.
We use this in the Swedish military. I especially like the fishnet trousers
I actually saw thick fishnet bottom base layer that was once issued to Russian soldiers long ago, and it didn't felt that counter intuitive, since I always noticed that It's definitely warmer in looser clothes that trap my body heat than tight ones, obviously that fish net under layer was to keep away the outer layer touching the skin and have some space for bode heated air.
Great video! Very logical. =) I hope this video spreads!
Here it Britain we used to made to wear string vests when we were kids🙂 thanks for the content
Good stuff DJ
Thanks for the continued support :)
Hey TJ, Thanks a lot, very usefull to me as I'm a heavy sweater🤣👍🙏