@@assincock Yeah but genuine communists do not seek to take over the capitalist institutions. In the midst of WW1, anarchists and Bolsheviks made common cause around the rallying cry of ALL POWER TO THE SOVIETS! Ultimately the revolution, isolated in a devastated and backwards Russia failed, as any isolated revolution must, but the lessons remain. Capitalism once again approaches the historic crossroads, World War or World Revolution.
@@camphor_dance Initially most anarchists allied with the Bolsheviks. The Russian revolution provides many lessons, mostly negative. Tell me the source and date of the Goldman quote. The whole experience of revolution and counter revolution does not simply mean that there can be no successful revolution, that there is an alternative path out of capitalism. The key to understanding the Russian revolution and its failure is its isolation. From the outset the Bolsheviks plainly stated that without a German revolution and beyond, they were doomed. There was no chance of building socialism in a decimated backward Russia. As the clock ticked and no extension of the revolution came, the revolutionaries grasped at straws and what emerged , a one party state directed capitalism which was palmed off by Stalin as socialism, was nothing of the sort. The essence of the revolution, which Anarchists in the main accepted, was ALL POWER TO THE WORKERS COUNCILS (soviets in Russian) and this remains the revolutionary perspective as capitalism once again demonstrates its dead end. It is more complex than Bad Lenin wanted to be dictator of Russia...
@@stevepace-first8617 revolution offers no future either... after it there just new rulers with different model of guns. Rulers do what rulers does. So here we are, no future, or is it an other way?
@@BobTarzan Its a little more complex and it takes some thinking out. The best anarchists and Marxists essentially share the same idea - the power of the workers councils. they made common cause in 1917. Obviously it all went wrong but this was not simply due to bad revolutionaries as Crass seem to maintain. There are no rulers, just instantly recallable delegates to council structures. I am not going into detail here, if you are really interested, let me know, I will elaborate. Really, this is the essential question of our time. Either we get revolution right or it looks like extinction.
@@stevepace-first8617 "Obviously it all went wrong but this was not simply due to bad revolutionaries as Crass seem to maintain." It went wrong because they work with the same fundation as Capitalism. AKA Human greed, envy, quest for power etc... all the 7deadly sins and some. In Capitalism its in the open.. in communism its hidden, behind a vail of our common good. It wont die because the root is human, both in Capitalism and Communism. Both are flawed because humans are flawed, its unescapable. I have no doubt you have the best intentions with a revolution. But you cant do it alone, and I sure dont trust all of the other guys that will do the revolution.
I remember the 1st time I heard crass I was blown away I had never ever heard anything like that before! It changed music for me. So unique , such great lyrics, and I don't think they get the credit they deserve as one of the greatest punk band's of all time! I saw one of their live recordings was done in 1976-77 if that's true doesn't that make them one of the 1st punk band's.
@@frankgrimes7388 yeah the Ramones came out 1st 76'right . Like I said if I remember correctly I saw a recording of theirs that said 76 or 77. But I love the Ramones 2 , much different though.
They were around the same time. They were a band in 75 at least before they started recording. They were one of the first of the sub-genre anarcho punk.
No, quite false. Steve Ignorant wrote most of the bands lyrics. He wasn’t involved on “Penis Envy” Otherwise he was quite prolific with his lyric writing
@starkravingnormal be the good you want to see in the world. Don't get sucked into the idea of power games, just speak your mind no matter the cost and tell everyone how you feel. You only have one life and there will only be one you, only you can tell your story and if you want to see a better world you have to speak your mind and reflect on the those around you, the best way i could describe it is "Anekantavada" It's a belief of jainism.
Absolutely! Yet who I learn from are more along the lines of Kropotkin, Bakunin, Proudhon, Goldman, etc. The people I mentioned, did they have their flaws? Yes but don't we all.
@@tristanreynolds5135 How is it arrogant? I am in the present, and this song rings true to me. If anything it is more of a humbling experience. In the sense that, look around. No matter how much better the technology become, or how much more advanced we think science and/or medicine is. We are still in a similar position.
@@MaxG-jk8ty I dont think this "Maoist style revolution" (😂) was going on when I commented this. *Revolution* has a lot of Marxist connotations, and is usually intended to create a power vacuum where a new "revolutionary" government can take power. The protests (more specifically, the riots etc.), are Anarchist in nature (leaderless, nonhierarchichal ((which, contrary to popular beleif, "hierarchy" as such isnt actually an issue for marx)) So, while I am a pacifist much like Steve here, I'm an anarchist first and foremost, so I cant condemn much of the insurectionary activity (plus I really dont think burning down buildings counts as "violence"). I've heard lots of people talk about small businesses, but at all the protests I've been to people were only targeting (no pun intended) coporate structures (call it insurectionary urban planning) and actively called put people who were, for whatever reason, targeting small businesses (because, despite what authoritarians might say, they are important if we're trying to create a better world, among the more obvious reasons). In fact, mutual aid groups are already being set up for them.
@@madmenenist1464 What is you measuring tool to base this comment? Do you understand the statement, and the circumstances why it was originally said? Just curious.
Anarchist who believe in a forceful revolution always have baffled me. You become what you fight against, especially if you succeed. Your average American cannot tell the difference between the masked and armed hard left and hard right that are in the streets right now. P.S. Best art-punk album ever!
@starkravingnormal dude its the damn truth, we got to old ancient white sex offenders running for office n the democrats have a lady as vp who has put a shit ton of ppl in jail over small shit. Its hilarious
@You're fake and gay as I wrote, “Anarchists* who believe in forceful revolution...” I don’t really follow your point here. Call it what you want. My point was every revolution in human history incubates the extremes of the overthrower, which in the end topples them.
@@jesushorses well i think in places like britain and the us we have (thank god) still mechanisms in place where we still have a voice. and you read the founding fathers and those guys tried to deal with the same paradox. as did the anarchists later on.
@@MaxG-jk8ty Nobody "wants" a violent revolution, what you and crass don't seem to get is sometimes violence is needed. Violence is not inherently authoritarian, like you and crass seem to think it is.
@@MaxG-jk8ty you act as if violence is a choice in political confrontations, it merely exists. How else do you expect to change systems that are rigged against others, by just asking it be done? That's a losing strategy and it doesn't work. I love Crass but just like everyone else (including me) they're not correct 100% the time.
It's now hilarious to me that I used to slavishly follow every pronouncement of these Anarcho-punk groups back in the 80s/90s, before freeing myself from that "cult" and beginning to think for myself, for once. Too bad it was somewhat too late, and the damage was irreversible. This is one of the few tracks where Crass were spot-on! Oh well, a broken clock....as that old cliche' goes. I've thought about doing street interviews with "anarchists," and asking what they think of many of these old songs, especially those that appear to contradict everything that "AntiFa" seems to be about. I mean, even Conflict did, sometimes!
Same as. I wouldn't listen to loads of punk music because they weren't ticking the boxes. To be fair that was my own stupid innocent fault for not fully understanding punk. Discovered some absolute gems when I moved on. Crass though, sowed the seeds of todays wokeism. Their disciples eventually grew up and washed and got jobs in the media. On the plus, they spoke for me in holy Catholic Ireland like no other band did. And this track, bang on the money!
What you arent see though, is that punk HAS ALWAYS stood against what antifa and blm are about, they want to masquerade as counter culture, because it shows optics of them being victims, and thats the only and best way to full stupid people into believing what they believe. When they are NOTHING but neo nazis in black bloc. Every punk from the 80s and 90s and 2000s like me, are ashamed to even look at something like antifa and its members using our symbols to give them meaning they do not have. and no actual punk, would ever want revolution, at the cost of human life. And this is where punk has always stood against what antifa is, because they are willing to take life, in the name of their movement. Being anti ANY race and dehumanizing them based on skin color, is EXACTLY what the nazis did, and punk has always stood against communist dictator ships and big government control plus the use of violence for political gain. Thats why john lyndon was a trump supporter, he understood, that trump is a billionaire that isnt from the permanent political class, or establishment, he was an outsider, and politicians use their positions to amass wealth making them beholden to corrupt figures like george soros who was a jew that joined the nazis in persecuting his own people. And its no differnt then what antifa is doing now, because if you can sit there, and say so and so is evil for their skin color, then that person is NO differnt in any way, to the actual nazis, and its a testament to their mental instability that they can sit there, and judge an entire race, for nothing more then skin color. Personally i think steve ignorant, wherever he is, is sickened by the movement thats trying to co opt the counter culture. When literally establishment stooges like biden and bush, stand with them. You can be rebellion, if ou are the norm. If you are the norm, then that makes them nothing more then stormtroopers. So you arent wrong for being a punk in the day, i was to. And i still stand for the same things. But anarchy as chaos and death, is not what crass was about. They said anarchy, and peace. Which means, a peaceful world absence of any fascist control. Thats not what antifa and blm want, they are marxists, not punks. and they want subjugation, uprising, violent revolution, white genocide, and destruction. Nothing they are, will ever be what punk was about. I mean they beat on protesters who stand against vax mandates. So unless they are seriously that stupid and blind, or dont actually know what fascism is and claim ignorance because they have been twisted and fed so many lives, they can no longer recognize objective reality without losing their minds because it doesnt line up with their safety blanket reality. Punk has always been about brutal truth, and reality. open discourse and debate, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, will and action, tolerance for those we may not agree with, but choose to engage because all humans are wirth something to someone. And punk has always been about equality, not equity, which is about giving people power, and favor based on their skin color and status, while equality, is every being considered equal in society, even those you disagree with. So dont blame punk for antifa. none of them, or at least most, have never understood real punk lyrics in their lives. They are former hipsters, and scene emo kids, who are larping anarchist, thats why they dont actually know what any of it means. Because these fascists, would make any truly informed objective punk SICK.
The "disciples" of Crass didn't wash, get a job in media....if folk listened to them and took THAT route then they listened but didn't hear. Just this song is the antipathy of Wokeism. The media, education and establishment are political, they embody the exact text of this song. Crass were not, have never been nor will be Marxist/Socialist. For me, Crass and Conflict opened my mind, always question "authority" . Conflict taught me the most important answer to life.....the answer is YOU!
As I've grown up, I realized that most punk bands weren't about being an individual, but about just following along just like the mainstream beliefs taught people. These days, it's only punk songs like this that make sense to me.
Very perceptive lyrics which prove above all else that Crass were not remotely interested in the garage agitprop that manifested itself by many purportedly 'political' Punk bands simply learning to recite other people's lies by heart. Crass wanted Anarchy and Peace and no, they're not mutually exclusive.
@@skullsouljah8103 but surely they understand that’s totally utopian and the working class can’t just walk away and live in the woods en masse and claim they live in a different country
@@skullsouljah8103 what do you mean ‘yes they can’ what planet are you living on? Do you also believe we can just vote anarchism in? The elite RELY ON THE LABOUR OF THE WORKING CLASS they literally won’t let you just leave
You do understand true anarchy can only be achieved through peace? A violent revolution is called seizure of power and what the hell makes you think the person seizing it will give it up? If everyone unanimously agreed to abolish the state tomorrow, it would be done. The State only has power through faith. When people don't believe in it, anarchy reigns, for better or worse. Lemme guess, you're a dumbfuck socialist that just spews BS politics to seem sophisticated? Your comment just screams political naivety.
Reminds me of those pro communism collegue students. They TOTALLY care about the people, and disagreeing gets you labeled a "fence sitter" or some shit.
There's nothing wrong with right and left views as long as they are implemented in a voluntary and non-aggressive fashion in ungoverned communities. The right people can go to the right community, the left to the left, etc. As long as it's voluntaryist and peaceful, it's all good.
Now lets tell that to the violent bigot extremists now saying its fascism to be against gov mandates. And groups of radical racists that point the finger and say no its you, you are evil because you are white! Failing in everyway to see how they have already fallen into the very thing they say they are against, intolerance, white guilt, anti white racism, is just anti jewish violence of the modern day, dehumanizing an entire race because oftheir views and warped perception of reality, that has radicallized them to the point of no longer recognizing fact from propaganda. Becoming storm troopers of the very SAMME kind of fascist system that rose to power, and then put anyone they didnt like into camps. So what do we do with a new nazi uprising? I have NEVER believed in war or fear mongering. But if we do not put a stop to this, it will end in war. And it wont be the side with the soldiers who lose. I believe all humanity has a right to live, but should that include those who would us their nature given human rights to create a dehumanizing up rising, based on hate, and violence? Should we give them the same treatment they would give us? Its no ones fault they are a bunch of undisaplined, beta male rich white people, who dont know the value of a dollar, freedom, or freedom of expression because they have always had those things. And this why they are dangerous, because knowing they are white, and think they are speaking for black lives, that have in fact rose up to have total success in this society, they still believe they know better then people like black cops. Trying to tell them, what the world is doing to them, when they are the ones standing in a black cops face, calling him names. and judging him based on his race, and judging everyone, on their race.. THAT is real racim, and their tactics of using violence and intimidation, is nothing but fascism.
the song is based it conveys the very same spirit we have let not a blood be shed for the sake of our ideas don’t be a part of the problem yourself, only defensive violence is allowed create & defend parallel social and technical infrastructure save from regulations something that totally should not be regulated: the Internet
As a youth I looked to punk and eventually crass for inspiration. Later on in life I became a Marxist. This song may provoke a thought but I doubt even most anarchists would accept its message. The revolutionary rupture is the only hope humanity has. Capitalism offers no future. The only way out of capitalism is revolution. The likelihood of this being completely pacific is remote, no ruling class has simply walked away and even if a genuine working class power can establish itself, it would find itself under relentless pressure which can only be resolved by global extension of revolution.
Meanwhile, in the world of the mentally and morally normal, ordinary people instinctively know that Marxism and fascism/Nazism are ugly sisters. It would help if intellectuals and academics, usually paid at public expense, knew this too. Some of them do and have assisted in suppressing the evidence. Nevertheless, I look forward to the day when we can easily and casually dismiss Marxist fruitcakes the way we dismiss National Socialist fruitcakes. Same shit, same smell.
@@damianbylightning6823 and that is what the ruling class want you to think. Capitalism is eternal, there is no alternative. The reality is not so simple. What they palm off as socialism is just another variant of capitalism, state capitalism. Socialism is the only real democracy, it involves no rulers, only instantly recallable delegates to councils. No party dictatorship, no four/five/lifetime presidents and all that labour party/stalino-trotskyite rubbish which we are told is socialism. The best marxists and anarchists have the same idea - ALL POWER TO THE WORKERS COUNCILS.
@@stevepace-first8617 It's a pity the evil Tories sold off the holy NHS to Trump and reptilian aliens - otherwise you could've had free treatment for your eccentricities.
@@damianbylightning6823 I have no idea if you seriously subscribe to conspiracy theories, but the reality of what you are saying in rejecting revolution is continuation down the capitalist path. this will result in total disaster by a variety of mechanisms. I understand that my perspective seems so outlandish because the ideological domination capitalism holds is so strong. I think CRASS had many good points to make, but the only way out of capitalism and its trajectory is working class revolution, there is no other, no individual strategy etc. www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2021-04-29/may-day-2021-the-only-future-for-humanity-is-communist-revolution
And while you are being so normal and going by the majority, who under conditions of capitalist normality will to a very high degree accept the ideology of the ruling class, what do you think they will say about anarchists? Do you think that when the book burning and the concentration camps start to fill with marxists that the anarchists wont be sharing the same fate? The reality is that the best marxists and anarchists share most of the same ideas. I found Crass to be pretty ambiguos. On the one hand they were talking about revolution, GUNS! on the other, some sort of middle class individual lifestyle ism. No authority but your own? Well try it. Go to the shop and take what you want and need. You willsee how the system works, see its violence. Thati s what its authority rests upon Revolution is dangerous? People will die? And what about not having a revolution? What will that lead to? I think it will lead to human extinction. Capitalism offers no future. the only way out is revolution. Class war anarchists know this. The ruling class will not walk away.
Right, cuz after you seize power you'll TOTALLY give it up. Fuck you. True Anarchy can only be achieved through peace. If everyone agreed to abolish the state, it'd be done. The State has no power if it's subjects and employees don't believe in it. It operates on faith. Wake the fuck up and stop eating up that prepackaged counter-culture shit you see on the media.
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"Government is government and all government is force"
golden words
@@assincock Yeah but genuine communists do not seek to take over the capitalist institutions. In the midst of WW1, anarchists and Bolsheviks made common cause around the rallying cry of ALL POWER TO THE SOVIETS! Ultimately the revolution, isolated in a devastated and backwards Russia failed, as any isolated revolution must, but the lessons remain. Capitalism once again approaches the historic crossroads, World War or World Revolution.
@@camphor_dance Initially most anarchists allied with the Bolsheviks. The Russian revolution provides many lessons, mostly negative. Tell me the source and date of the Goldman quote. The whole experience of revolution and counter revolution does not simply mean that there can be no successful revolution, that there is an alternative path out of capitalism. The key to understanding the Russian revolution and its failure is its isolation. From the outset the Bolsheviks plainly stated that without a German revolution and beyond, they were doomed. There was no chance of building socialism in a decimated backward Russia. As the clock ticked and no extension of the revolution came, the revolutionaries grasped at straws and what emerged , a one party state directed capitalism which was palmed off by Stalin as socialism, was nothing of the sort. The essence of the revolution, which Anarchists in the main accepted, was ALL POWER TO THE WORKERS COUNCILS (soviets in Russian) and this remains the revolutionary perspective as capitalism once again demonstrates its dead end. It is more complex than Bad Lenin wanted to be dictator of Russia...
@@stevepace-first8617 Read her autobiography. You’ll find it.
Left or right or right right or left, it takes the same old course!
Song only gets more relevant every year
@@MaxG-jk8ty apparently. 2020 has been a hell of a year
Absolutley.
@@laurene988 are my chest pains a virus or the carcinogens? Don’t matter cuz it made a billionaire richer. Happy end times
@@seanlynch6541 lol whatever you say
Sadly, all the "anti" folks are living this one out, from the wrong side...
Should be played to, with a copy of the lyrics supplied, every kid entering university this year. Joyously wise song. Peace and love! xxx
This is a the best song ever. In times, like today, it is timeless.
Very prophetic words indeed. Little has changed in the last nearly 40 years since this was released....
Crass probably had the most thoughtful punk lyrics out there
Never forget: Poison Girls and The Ex
Punk in Spanish
Crass is the truth.
Best. One
The truth is capitalism offers no future and the only way out is revolution.
@@stevepace-first8617 revolution offers no future either... after it there just new rulers with different model of guns. Rulers do what rulers does. So here we are, no future, or is it an other way?
@@BobTarzan Its a little more complex and it takes some thinking out. The best anarchists and Marxists essentially share the same idea - the power of the workers councils. they made common cause in 1917. Obviously it all went wrong but this was not simply due to bad revolutionaries as Crass seem to maintain. There are no rulers, just instantly recallable delegates to council structures. I am not going into detail here, if you are really interested, let me know, I will elaborate. Really, this is the essential question of our time. Either we get revolution right or it looks like extinction.
@@stevepace-first8617 "Obviously it all went wrong but this was not simply due to bad revolutionaries as Crass seem to maintain." It went wrong because they work with the same fundation as Capitalism. AKA Human greed, envy, quest for power etc... all the 7deadly sins and some. In Capitalism its in the open.. in communism its hidden, behind a vail of our common good. It wont die because the root is human, both in Capitalism and Communism. Both are flawed because humans are flawed, its unescapable. I have no doubt you have the best intentions with a revolution. But you cant do it alone, and I sure dont trust all of the other guys that will do the revolution.
Thank god for growing up on this shit. Taught me more than any school teacher ever could
Stuck that british values bollocks up boris' arse
I remember the 1st time I heard crass I was blown away I had never ever heard anything like that before! It changed music for me. So unique , such great lyrics, and I don't think they get the credit they deserve as one of the greatest punk band's of all time! I saw one of their live recordings was done in 1976-77 if that's true doesn't that make them one of the 1st punk band's.
@@frankgrimes7388 yeah the Ramones came out 1st 76'right . Like I said if I remember correctly I saw a recording of theirs that said 76 or 77. But I love the Ramones 2 , much different though.
They were around the same time. They were a band in 75 at least before they started recording. They were one of the first of the sub-genre anarcho punk.
Crass songs feel like they keep growing in relevancy as well. This song came out in 1979, I think.
Steve Ignorant was practically a prophet.
@@urphakeandgey6308 believe it was Rimbaud, Eve, and G who were the most responsible for the lyrics.
No, quite false. Steve Ignorant wrote most of the bands lyrics. He wasn’t involved on “Penis Envy” Otherwise he was quite prolific with his lyric writing
This is basically like every George Orwell books in a 6-minute song and I fucking love it..
This has a shout at being the greatest punk single ever along with 'God Save the Queen', 'Liddle Towers' 'Holiday in Cambodia' and 'Police Story'
2020 makes this even more relevant
@starkravingnormal liberty is invaluable and freedoms are not free.
@starkravingnormal be the good you want to see in the world. Don't get sucked into the idea of power games, just speak your mind no matter the cost and tell everyone how you feel. You only have one life and there will only be one you, only you can tell your story and if you want to see a better world you have to speak your mind and reflect on the those around you, the best way i could describe it is "Anekantavada" It's a belief of jainism.
true ! I feel the same
the truth is this will remain forever relevant
2021 even moreso
Woah. Punks been giving me serious feels and chills lately
Oh this song still gives me goosebumps.. amazing
ikr!!
"There's nothing that you offer but a dream of last years hero"
Truth never ages,and that's the Truth
2019 relevance is relevant
@W0Y4K we're not with the left, the right, or the terrorists and we're not alone 👊
Absolutely! Yet who I learn from are more along the lines of Kropotkin, Bakunin, Proudhon, Goldman, etc. The people I mentioned, did they have their flaws? Yes but don't we all.
@@matthewmohri9990 check Stirner. Egoism is the way to go.
@W0Y4K This song may as well be about Antifa.
Revolution is always there for those who can shed the blood
This is far more relevant now than ever. Absolutely brilliant.
Think about that for a minute. Do you really think that's true? Pretty arrogant kind of thinking dontcha think? (Not personally lol)
@@tristanreynolds5135 How is it arrogant? I am in the present, and this song rings true to me. If anything it is more of a humbling experience. In the sense that, look around. No matter how much better the technology become, or how much more advanced we think science and/or medicine is. We are still in a similar position.
@@suburbansymbolism Again, not you, the statement. You said "this is far more relavent than ever" I would contest that
@@MaxG-jk8ty I dont think this "Maoist style revolution" (😂) was going on when I commented this. *Revolution* has a lot of Marxist connotations, and is usually intended to create a power vacuum where a new "revolutionary" government can take power. The protests (more specifically, the riots etc.), are Anarchist in nature (leaderless, nonhierarchichal ((which, contrary to popular beleif, "hierarchy" as such isnt actually an issue for marx)) So, while I am a pacifist much like Steve here, I'm an anarchist first and foremost, so I cant condemn much of the insurectionary activity (plus I really dont think burning down buildings counts as "violence"). I've heard lots of people talk about small businesses, but at all the protests I've been to people were only targeting (no pun intended) coporate structures (call it insurectionary urban planning) and actively called put people who were, for whatever reason, targeting small businesses (because, despite what authoritarians might say, they are important if we're trying to create a better world, among the more obvious reasons). In fact, mutual aid groups are already being set up for them.
Superb, still my favourite Crass song to this day!
2023 and the more things change, the more they stay the same
2022......Time to stand shoulder to shoulder and finish the game
We need more of this!
the lyrics...still spot on
Sadly and scarily this couldn’t be more appropriate now..
Great song that relates to today.
One ofvthe most crucial Crass songs ever
One of my favs!
Gotta say this got better after... 1984
pure greatness.
i just complited my home quarantine of test positive,,i can go outside on monday!!!cool tune
40 year ago, I thought, this is maybe too crass, but beautiful. Today I say, it is the truth after all.
Right on!
6 year anniversary! it's been a long time :)
2020, still relevant. Especially on U.S College campuses
NAZI PUNK, FUCK OFF
@@Xaq03 oh shit, did you make that one up on your own?
@@Xaq03 mindless fuck
@@petrospoutsa9270 whether he did or did not . . . what is your point? . just curious.
@@madmenenist1464 What is you measuring tool to base this comment? Do you understand the statement, and the circumstances why it was originally said? Just curious.
I forgot about this song.......fuuuuuuck yeah.
Love this song
Thank you for posting it!
F**king brilliant- I miss the early 80s
How fucking great is this
Anarchist who believe in a forceful revolution always have baffled me. You become what you fight against, especially if you succeed. Your average American cannot tell the difference between the masked and armed hard left and hard right that are in the streets right now.
P.S. Best art-punk album ever!
@starkravingnormal its not just sjws its the maga idiots also. Both sides are jokes n both have made our politics look like WWE
@starkravingnormal dude its the damn truth, we got to old ancient white sex offenders running for office n the democrats have a lady as vp who has put a shit ton of ppl in jail over small shit. Its hilarious
@You're fake and gay as I wrote, “Anarchists* who believe in forceful revolution...” I don’t really follow your point here. Call it what you want. My point was every revolution in human history incubates the extremes of the overthrower, which in the end topples them.
@@jesushorses so how else would u change the government lmao. vote them out or ask them to stop? 😂
@@jesushorses well i think in places like britain and the us we have (thank god) still mechanisms in place where we still have a voice. and you read the founding fathers and those guys tried to deal with the same paradox. as did the anarchists later on.
So. Good.
3:24 just makes me boil and simmer for the rest of the track. 57 yrs old punka
this song speaks to me lmao
Times havent changed before you know it were back in shackles its just the way it is we always have to fight for freedom
2021 at 1.25 speed
I was a young punk to prepare me for now.
Wow this song came from a bunch of people who legitimately have a commune. Can't believe it.
Yes, an Anarchist commune without leaders and without the communist bullshit
@Matt Gallant Don't dismiss positive change because it doesn't come from an anarchist, bernie can help people.
@@MaxG-jk8ty Nobody "wants" a violent revolution, what you and crass don't seem to get is sometimes violence is needed. Violence is not inherently authoritarian, like you and crass seem to think it is.
@@MaxG-jk8ty you act as if violence is a choice in political confrontations, it merely exists. How else do you expect to change systems that are rigged against others, by just asking it be done? That's a losing strategy and it doesn't work. I love Crass but just like everyone else (including me) they're not correct 100% the time.
@@MaxG-jk8ty way to dodge the question there bud.
Crass actually lived the ethics. They wrote about individuality and rejecting extreme politics on both sides.
I find it hilarious when punks are for collectivism. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
They're literally anarchists, how is that not extreme politics?
@@urphakeandgey6308communitarian anarchism is literally the oldest type
Now more than ever
2024 and so much more
2024...Still very relevant.
I'm in Scotland and now speech is being surpressed. Soon all parts of the puzzle will come together and we're all f#cked.
It's now hilarious to me that I used to slavishly follow every pronouncement of these Anarcho-punk groups back in the 80s/90s, before freeing myself from that "cult" and beginning to think for myself, for once. Too bad it was somewhat too late, and the damage was irreversible. This is one of the few tracks where Crass were spot-on! Oh well, a broken clock....as that old cliche' goes. I've thought about doing street interviews with "anarchists," and asking what they think of many of these old songs, especially those that appear to contradict everything that "AntiFa" seems to be about. I mean, even Conflict did, sometimes!
Same as. I wouldn't listen to loads of punk music because they weren't ticking the boxes. To be fair that was my own stupid innocent fault for not fully understanding punk. Discovered some absolute gems when I moved on. Crass though, sowed the seeds of todays wokeism. Their disciples eventually grew up and washed and got jobs in the media.
On the plus, they spoke for me in holy Catholic Ireland like no other band did. And this track, bang on the money!
What you arent see though, is that punk HAS ALWAYS stood against what antifa and blm are about, they want to masquerade as counter culture, because it shows optics of them being victims, and thats the only and best way to full stupid people into believing what they believe. When they are NOTHING but neo nazis in black bloc.
Every punk from the 80s and 90s and 2000s like me, are ashamed to even look at something like antifa and its members using our symbols to give them meaning they do not have. and no actual punk, would ever want revolution, at the cost of human life. And this is where punk has always stood against what antifa is, because they are willing to take life, in the name of their movement.
Being anti ANY race and dehumanizing them based on skin color, is EXACTLY what the nazis did, and punk has always stood against communist dictator ships and big government control plus the use of violence for political gain.
Thats why john lyndon was a trump supporter, he understood, that trump is a billionaire that isnt from the permanent political class, or establishment, he was an outsider, and politicians use their positions to amass wealth making them beholden to corrupt figures like george soros who was a jew that joined the nazis in persecuting his own people.
And its no differnt then what antifa is doing now, because if you can sit there, and say so and so is evil for their skin color, then that person is NO differnt in any way, to the actual nazis, and its a testament to their mental instability that they can sit there, and judge an entire race, for nothing more then skin color.
Personally i think steve ignorant, wherever he is, is sickened by the movement thats trying to co opt the counter culture. When literally establishment stooges like biden and bush, stand with them.
You can be rebellion, if ou are the norm. If you are the norm, then that makes them nothing more then stormtroopers.
So you arent wrong for being a punk in the day, i was to. And i still stand for the same things.
But anarchy as chaos and death, is not what crass was about. They said anarchy, and peace. Which means, a peaceful world absence of any fascist control.
Thats not what antifa and blm want, they are marxists, not punks. and they want subjugation, uprising, violent revolution, white genocide, and destruction. Nothing they are, will ever be what punk was about.
I mean they beat on protesters who stand against vax mandates. So unless they are seriously that stupid and blind, or dont actually know what fascism is and claim ignorance because they have been twisted and fed so many lives, they can no longer recognize objective reality without losing their minds because it doesnt line up with their safety blanket reality.
Punk has always been about brutal truth, and reality. open discourse and debate, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, will and action, tolerance for those we may not agree with, but choose to engage because all humans are wirth something to someone.
And punk has always been about equality, not equity, which is about giving people power, and favor based on their skin color and status, while equality, is every being considered equal in society, even those you disagree with.
So dont blame punk for antifa. none of them, or at least most, have never understood real punk lyrics in their lives. They are former hipsters, and scene emo kids, who are larping anarchist, thats why they dont actually know what any of it means.
Because these fascists, would make any truly informed objective punk SICK.
Crass was probably the only actual ancom band that was legit more an than com....and not doing it as a gimmick...so the lyrics run true.
The "disciples" of Crass didn't wash, get a job in media....if folk listened to them and took THAT route then they listened but didn't hear.
Just this song is the antipathy of Wokeism. The media, education and establishment are political, they embody the exact text of this song.
Crass were not, have never been nor will be Marxist/Socialist.
For me, Crass and Conflict opened my mind, always question "authority" .
Conflict taught me the most important answer to life.....the answer is YOU!
As I've grown up, I realized that most punk bands weren't about being an individual, but about just following along just like the mainstream beliefs taught people. These days, it's only punk songs like this that make sense to me.
crass are my god
they should play this music in schools
I want anarchy and peace.
Going out too all the 2020 Skyscreamers
I highly doubt the Antifa who where Crass patches have ever listened to a Crass song their entire lives.
Wanna have some fun start quoting Crass on Twitter but don't tell them and watch them argue about it.
I then ask do you know who Crass is?
Who wear crass patches? Christ, you are incoherent.
@@brianscott3557 lol
Crass are antifascist. Antifa are not revolutionaries they are comrades defending the victims of fascosm
@@farmerjohn8947 antifa are pussies. They get beaten by libertarian gangs like the Proud boys all the time.
ANARCHY AND LIFEBOATS IS WHAT I WANT WANT WANT...
10 million?! 🧐
6 million jews, 11 - 13 million overall including gypsies, homosexuals, Soviets, Poles and other political opponents. Penny probably miscalculated.
@@without9103 sure sure and lamp shades and soap
It's about you as well.
2nd best punk song of all time ....
What would be the first?
@@lotus_lotus Banned From The Roxy
@@Andy-Belshaw Ahhh nice one! 🤌
2023 USA.
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Very perceptive lyrics which prove above all else that Crass were not remotely interested in the garage agitprop that manifested itself by many purportedly 'political' Punk bands simply learning to recite other people's lies by heart. Crass wanted Anarchy and Peace and no, they're not mutually exclusive.
Bingo!
So, how would Crass overthrow capitalism with out a revolution?
they dont support revolutions. they would live on communes in the woods and shit like that. away from capitalism, government or police.
@@skullsouljah8103 but surely they understand that’s totally utopian and the working class can’t just walk away and live in the woods en masse and claim they live in a different country
@@DeezN1892 yes they can tbh
@@skullsouljah8103 what do you mean ‘yes they can’ what planet are you living on? Do you also believe we can just vote anarchism in? The elite RELY ON THE LABOUR OF THE WORKING CLASS they literally won’t let you just leave
You do understand true anarchy can only be achieved through peace? A violent revolution is called seizure of power and what the hell makes you think the person seizing it will give it up?
If everyone unanimously agreed to abolish the state tomorrow, it would be done. The State only has power through faith. When people don't believe in it, anarchy reigns, for better or worse.
Lemme guess, you're a dumbfuck socialist that just spews BS politics to seem sophisticated? Your comment just screams political naivety.
Heroes
Sorry.......luv u
Reminds me of those pro communism collegue students. They TOTALLY care about the people, and disagreeing gets you labeled a "fence sitter" or some shit.
2022 - lyrics very "now".
its a battle of the ages or wait the was it the 80s'
There's nothing wrong with right and left views as long as they are implemented in a voluntary and non-aggressive fashion in ungoverned communities. The right people can go to the right community, the left to the left, etc. As long as it's voluntaryist and peaceful, it's all good.
Now lets tell that to the violent bigot extremists now saying its fascism to be against gov mandates. And groups of radical racists that point the finger and say no its you, you are evil because you are white! Failing in everyway to see how they have already fallen into the very thing they say they are against, intolerance, white guilt, anti white racism, is just anti jewish violence of the modern day, dehumanizing an entire race because oftheir views and warped perception of reality, that has radicallized them to the point of no longer recognizing fact from propaganda. Becoming storm troopers of the very SAMME kind of fascist system that rose to power, and then put anyone they didnt like into camps.
So what do we do with a new nazi uprising? I have NEVER believed in war or fear mongering. But if we do not put a stop to this, it will end in war. And it wont be the side with the soldiers who lose.
I believe all humanity has a right to live, but should that include those who would us their nature given human rights to create a dehumanizing up rising, based on hate, and violence?
Should we give them the same treatment they would give us?
Its no ones fault they are a bunch of undisaplined, beta male rich white people, who dont know the value of a dollar, freedom, or freedom of expression because they have always had those things.
And this why they are dangerous, because knowing they are white, and think they are speaking for black lives, that have in fact rose up to have total success in this society, they still believe they know better then people like black cops.
Trying to tell them, what the world is doing to them, when they are the ones standing in a black cops face, calling him names. and judging him based on his race, and judging everyone, on their race..
THAT is real racim, and their tactics of using violence and intimidation, is nothing but fascism.
Revolution eAtt itd chhill
im the alien , ok
Crass is still speaking the truth. This song could be about Black Lives Matter
it is. its about people exactly like antifa, but they are worse.
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This ones for all the Tankie trash. Remember Kronastadt.
But Tankie is not marxism. Stalinism is not marxism.
Why’s there so many anarcho capitalists in this comment section
the song is based
it conveys the very same spirit we have
let not a blood be shed for the sake of our ideas
don’t be a part of the problem yourself, only defensive violence is allowed
create & defend parallel social and technical infrastructure
save from regulations something that totally should not be regulated: the Internet
Resembles real life here in a crappy blue state..
Exactly, what are they gonna do come the time huh?
If you don't know what kind of people he's talking about, you're not a real punk. You're a poser who buys prepackaged counter-culture at hot topic.
Antifa needs to listen to this.
Mahatma Gandi
As a youth I looked to punk and eventually crass for inspiration. Later on in life I became a Marxist. This song may provoke a thought but I doubt even most anarchists would accept its message. The revolutionary rupture is the only hope humanity has. Capitalism offers no future. The only way out of capitalism is revolution. The likelihood of this being completely pacific is remote, no ruling class has simply walked away and even if a genuine working class power can establish itself, it would find itself under relentless pressure which can only be resolved by global extension of revolution.
Meanwhile, in the world of the mentally and morally normal, ordinary people instinctively know that Marxism and fascism/Nazism are ugly sisters.
It would help if intellectuals and academics, usually paid at public expense, knew this too. Some of them do and have assisted in suppressing the evidence. Nevertheless, I look forward to the day when we can easily and casually dismiss Marxist fruitcakes the way we dismiss National Socialist fruitcakes.
Same shit, same smell.
@@damianbylightning6823 and that is what the ruling class want you to think. Capitalism is eternal, there is no alternative. The reality is not so simple. What they palm off as socialism is just another variant of capitalism, state capitalism. Socialism is the only real democracy, it involves no rulers, only instantly recallable delegates to councils. No party dictatorship, no four/five/lifetime presidents and all that labour party/stalino-trotskyite rubbish which we are told is socialism. The best marxists and anarchists have the same idea - ALL POWER TO THE WORKERS COUNCILS.
@@stevepace-first8617 It's a pity the evil Tories sold off the holy NHS to Trump and reptilian aliens - otherwise you could've had free treatment for your eccentricities.
@@damianbylightning6823 I have no idea if you seriously subscribe to conspiracy theories, but the reality of what you are saying in rejecting revolution is continuation down the capitalist path. this will result in total disaster by a variety of mechanisms. I understand that my perspective seems so outlandish because the ideological domination capitalism holds is so strong. I think CRASS had many good points to make, but the only way out of capitalism and its trajectory is working class revolution, there is no other, no individual strategy etc. www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2021-04-29/may-day-2021-the-only-future-for-humanity-is-communist-revolution
And while you are being so normal and going by the majority, who under conditions of capitalist normality will to a very high degree accept the ideology of the ruling class, what do you think they will say about anarchists? Do you think that when the book burning and the concentration camps start to fill with marxists that the anarchists wont be sharing the same fate? The reality is that the best marxists and anarchists share most of the same ideas. I found Crass to be pretty ambiguos. On the one hand they were talking about revolution, GUNS! on the other, some sort of middle class individual lifestyle ism. No authority but your own? Well try it. Go to the shop and take what you want and need. You willsee how the system works, see its violence. Thati s what its authority rests upon Revolution is dangerous? People will die? And what about not having a revolution? What will that lead to? I think it will lead to human extinction. Capitalism offers no future. the only way out is revolution. Class war anarchists know this. The ruling class will not walk away.
Govt. is fine if it's Anarchist Capitalist and for subverting Socialist and Communist Anarchist govt's.
How the fuck else do you expect to overthrow a monoply on violence lol maybe if we just ask nicely we can have anarchism
Patriot is the new Punk. Hold the Line. Peace is the Prize, Love is the way. TBIY2C
Vote for Boris.
UGH, EnLIgHTeN CeNtRaLiSm Duuhhh
im an anarchist, i think i can safely say Crass are not centrists lmao pretty sure this is anti-tankie more than anything
@@riotregen3575 haha utopian
@@riotregen3575 tankies are the worst
If you advertise on TH-cam, I will never buy your shit. Ever.
How the fuck else do you expect to overthrow a monoply on violence lol maybe if we just ask nicely we can have anarchism
Right, cuz after you seize power you'll TOTALLY give it up. Fuck you. True Anarchy can only be achieved through peace.
If everyone agreed to abolish the state, it'd be done. The State has no power if it's subjects and employees don't believe in it. It operates on faith. Wake the fuck up and stop eating up that prepackaged counter-culture shit you see on the media.