Handel vs. Scarlatti - Legendary Harpsichord Battle on the Passacaglia in G minor
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- Prince Ruspoli invited Handel and Scarlatti to compete at the Harpsichord in his palace in Rome. Excerpt from the movie "God Rot Tunbridge Wells!" from 1985, in which Handel and Scarlatti perform different variations on the Passacaglia in G minor from the Suite in G minor, HWV 432.
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Two best things about this video:
- The music
- The way Handel says Scarlatti
ScahhhhlÆtteh
LMAO 😂
He didn't handle it well...
Waaaay before the electric guitar, these dudes where already friggin shredding speed licks on the harpsichord \m/
The equivalent of a guitar solo battle during those times. Super awesome!
An epic musical performance that will live on through history. God Bless both composers.
Whoever played these are genius best version ive heard excellent tempo phrasing and passion
Yea I find this recording to be the best that I've heard, I've heard others try to mimic it but still fall short.
@fdr100100 "Whoever played these..." Peter Stanger. From IMDB: "In "God Rot Tunbridge Wells" Peter Stanger not only acted the part of a magnetic Scarlatti in the famed "harpsichord playoff" between Scarlatti and Handel in Italy when they were both 22 - he also recorded both of the parts on the harpsichord for the BBC production."
@@TravaillesDuChanson Yes. Watch the Handel & Scarlatti keyboard shots and you will see Peter Stanger's hands, ruffles, and (beige) sleeves in both. The world can always use more harpsichordists, but Peter Stanger was kept busy as a conductor and teacher, nice if he had recorded more.
For a German, Handel has a very thick British Posh accent here.
Because he became English!
@@thehorselesshussar9813
But he was an expat from Germany, and it's pretty difficult to fake a new accent. Impressive (it's an actor I know, but still).
Yes I agree although after living in England for decades it might be possible....even for a german.
@@INDIGOBLUE555 unlikely, as writers from those times such as Charles Burney always mention Handel having a heavy german accent, and even some difficulties with the English language, during his lifetime.
@@gabrielpaludo6913 Interesting indeed,
thanks !
For those who are confused;
Younger looking one =Handel
Other guy=Scarletti
Narrator=Handel
Scarletti won the harpsichord battle but Handel thinks he did, we all saw who struggled here.
However Handel won the organ battle.
Yea that was documented according to someone's account who was there.
thank you SO much for clarifying this, haha, I always thought scarlatti was the younger guy just because Handel said that he won and the older-looking guy definitely won :) plus I haven’t seen the whole film, just this excerpt…
@@vintagegoldenage 💗💗💗😁💗
2:45 it's where the magical part begins . I love it.
Sincerely I wonder whether Scarlatti was so relaxed and smiling amid the contest....
As for Händel he seemingly looks aware of the italian virtuoso to be in a class of his own 💫
I can only explain by what the scene shows me.
Scarlatti being the senior, already established name, Händel being anxious to prove himself and giving the damned best play on the keyboards he has ever shown.
But to old Scarlatti, he has seen it all, he almost plays with his opponent. His worthy opponent, which is why he is smiling in such a friendly manner.
@@AudieHolland That's possible...Though I haven't knowledge of what kind of relashionship was going on between them.Honestly listening to Handel while recalling the challenge I wouldn't say he was feeling that friendly.
@@INDIGOBLUE555 Movies always need drama, even if there was none historically.
Don't know about Handel and Scarlatti, but have you watched
'Amadeus?'
Now how would that movie have fared if they followed the historic truth, that Mozart and Salieri were esteemed colleagues and not out to destroy each other?
@@AudieHolland
Yes I agree....I've to get some infos about the
Händel - Scarlatti relashionship....U don't even know whether they subsequently met again or kept in touch.
@@INDIGOBLUE555 Scarlatti was always crossed himself when he remembered Handel playing the harpsichord.
In this competiton one had to play a certain phrase of melodies and the other must repeat it precisely or better by ornamenting it. The proponent in this case was Scarlatti and the opponent was Händel. We do not know whether they would also exchange the positions or not i.e. Händel as a proponent and Scarlatti as an opponent or repeater.
we have to give some creative license to the movie creators, especially since this film was about händel and so they probably thought it would make more sense to put one of his works as the star of scene.
It is unknown exactly what Handel (sic) and Scarlatti played at this contest in Rome in 1709; it is likely they just played extempore whatever came into their heads.
At the contest between Mozart and Clementi in Vienna in 1781, they were mostly asked to play specific pieces with some extempore work.
@@comradeotaku
Your probably right; you may find my observation above of interest.
@@peterquennellnyc
Not sure why you’ve stuck an umlaut on Handel’s name; do you to be consistent insist on an Italian Lulli ?
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Because in German it is Georg Friedrich Händel. Get a life.
Que viva la música de Scarlatti el padre de la composición para clave el era un dios de la música que su nombre sea recordado por la eternidad
1:18 scarlatti reaction is good😂😂
Really😊they are the greatest virtuoso composers ever
Johan Halvorsen (1864 - 1935) did adapt that passacaglia composed by Händel for Violin-Viola duo, what a fantastic composition and what kind of fun (am viola player) to perform it
The world needs viola players! Was that a tough choice?
Scarlatti got Handeled 😂
The OG synthbattle
¿Perdón mi ciela? Handel got Scarlated!
The goatsss!
Handel the great ❤❤❤
Love you sir
Your student 👩🎓
Wig... Sir
The music in the film is performed by my great friend Andrei Gvarilov. And you also see his hands on the harpsichord there!
If the battle was with bach it would be different, and we will all knew who would have won
And we know Handel never wanted to meet Bach. Could this be why?
@@mariasechi8537 Well, I'm not so sure about that. Best regards, Louis Marchand.
@@mariasechi8537 OK, let's agree on the fact that such harpsichord contest would result in a fair draw 🙂.
@@justgettingby7725 "And we know Handel never wanted to meet Bach." I think that's not proven, though? They just missed twice but seemingly not deliberately so. Handel was more famous in his life, Bach's bosses kept him on a short chain in Liepzig, grinding away.
I saw Bach's tomb, right around when the Berlin Wall came down. I was the only one in the cathedral except for a woman practicing on the organ, the huge one at the back (there are two). Awesome stuff!
Scarlatti could probably hold his own up against Bach
Grande!!!!!!!!!!!
¡Excelente!
... the waggle of the wigs ...
I could almost smell the powder in the air, heavily saturated with perfume & scent, and enjoy the baroque embroidered jabots, rich and ornate, noticably trembling with each and every move the musicians make...
The waggle of the wigs, or 50 sCents of Italian Baroque...
Don't forget that perfume was invented to drown out the stench of unbathed bodies. So on top of Chanel °5 is the reek of putrid arm pits and stink of unwashed ass. Sorry if I destroyed your fantasy world. 😂
@@ms.annthrope415
I know, and absolutely agree with you (now, where did I put my deodorant...) You're right, or, rather, historically accurate - I just have a daily need for at least a pinch of fantasy, or a pinch of “daydream” (-:
I really love Handel's gay moment at 1:59 🤣
Yep 😂😂
Why do they look different ages? They were born in the same year.
Drugs :c
The mustache adds 10 years lol
Booze
Maturity.
Probably Alessandro Scarlatti not Domenico.
El duelo en clave existió , y lo ganó Scarlatti , pero hubo otro duelo en orgel de iglesia , lo ganó Heandel es la historia real
Scarlatti won harpsichord battle, Handel won organ battle
@@Kchkchkch8415
That's what I also know about this challenge.
Pero scarlatti ganaría por mérito propio con una de sus composiciones propias ,esta es muy buena de Handel pero scarlatti es un monstruo en calidad y cantidad
Seems like Handel is having a difficult time here.
I think you got mixed up. It's Scarlatti who was struggling
But in reality, Heandel losed the harchbishop contest, but won the organ contest
@@mxm3158the younger looking actor in this is händel (even though both händel and scarlatti were both born in the same year), and to me, it looked like he was more frustrated in his facial expressions during the duel than scarlatti's actor
Handel also was to scared to face Bach😂😂 He was a good composer but not a good instrumentalist
@@louisnieuwelink I don't think that they knew each other.
Also, composing is a more important skill than performing imho.
No superó estás interpretaciónes
Scarlatti won, fatality at 2:52
He definitely won
❤😮
Alguien sabe cómo se llama la película una gran canción
Crossroads before roads were a thing.
Händel's hands are sus in the last variation
Bach enters the room...
and would loose within minutes.
Sorry, it's nice but at a bit cheap to let them go through Handels Passacaille from Suite 7 as if they where students. These where two great composer and improvisers. They where friends till the end of their days and this must have been an extraordinary event full of creativity and virtuosity! The complete suite on guitar th-cam.com/video/zloo6LUaUXE/w-d-xo.html
But very powerful in the movie because of the repetitions. In reality they probably each played longer pieces. For me the movie (which I have) is a fail though, it didn't at all convey the extraordinary arc that led to the Messiah and really closed Handel's career out on a high point.
Handel was a giant and they? @@peterquennellnyc
@@georglawall6022 "they" meaning Handel Scarlatti duelling. He was giant #1 at the Italian operas, then they faded and were lampooned and he had health & money problems, then came the Messiah, which set him up as giant #2 after initial disinterest in London.
Sorry, misunderstanding! 'They' referred to the filmmakers! There where many masterworks after Messiah! They where not successful at that time and for 2 centuries ... this is my Messiah: th-cam.com/video/GbiN8w25vzo/w-d-xo.html @@peterquennellnyc
Looks like he couldn’t “handle” it
👍👍👏👏😊😊
What is the name of the movie
This is a wonderful scene, though I regret to make one comment: Handel spoke with a pronounced German accent throughout his life. Still, having a competition playing variations on this theme is a clever idea.
Then Bach shows up and Handel and Scarlatti run and hide in a closet.
😂😂😂😂
BS. Bach would have lost within minutes. This whole 20th century glorification of Bach which is very rife in the snobby pretentious classical music world is so outdated. Bach was not the best composer in the universe like all those pretentious dimwitz, including you, like to claim needs to stop. Bach is pretty damn good... but he was JUST ONE of the many many amazing composers. Bach was not good at virtuoso playing. Scarlatti would have crushed Bach in no time. Claiming that Bach was the best just shows lack of musical knowledge. Claiming Bach was the best is just sad parroting and pretentiousness.
The only people who can probably scare Bach is any Renaissance master and probably Rameau (Rameau only in terms of muscial theory)
You can definitely tell which player is the best. He has more life and zest in his playing. You just know. It’s much easier, but the difference between Mozart and whoever he was, can’t remember his name, poor guy, and I just saw a bit from the film yesterday! that is so interesting - I can hear the music played though ? Huh! 🌷🌱
Antonion Sallieri.
Hahaha another person to forget poor Salieri 😂😂😂
But well Salieri was an amazing composer for his time too. He just was cursed by history to live at the same time and region as Mozart hahaha
Scarlatti you in Madrid and you Handel to London ajajjjaj
Why is one younger than the other, because they were the same age?
What are these bip sounds at 3:20/3:21 ?
Those are the bass notes being struck on the lower tessatura range of the harpsichords keyboard. The timbre you are hearing is a refraction cycle and waves oscillating and multiple of these frequencies are combined with those lower frequency bass notes creating harmonic rations and creating melodic chords being arpeggiated. The sound timbre source occurs from the cause and effect reaction from the humanoid known as Domenico Scarlatti puts force on the key and a string is plucked inside the harpsichord resulting in this sonority that you observed through the cochella and trochanter inside the organism known as your ear. This information is processed by your peripheral nervous system that uses neurons that transmit the information recieved through chains of neurons linked thru synapes were complex chemeica reactions are occuring such as diffusion of elements and these process on cellular/molecular level result in the information being transferred to the central neervous system through the dendrites and the axon terminal, nodes of ranvir, schwan cells and finally into the nucleus of the multi-celled neuron type. After all this, then your mind hears that note, the bass note. I don’t have absolute relative pitch, but I can find out the exact bass notes probably played. Most likely G2 or since its in G minor, or D2 on the lower tesatura.
What movie its please, thanks
Read the description please
I DID
What is this from
The movie? "God Rot Tunbridge Wells."
Monty Python
They are both disqualified for not preparing their cadences with a dissonant suspension.
😆
Handel looks like John Cleese! 😅
Who was who???
this real?
Yes. Just too bad they didn't have 4k back then.
@@TheGuitarSauce lol
@@TheGuitarSauce Filmed through a wig
Yes ..... this is a life recording from the 18th century.
2.55 Scarlatti fatality
I DIIIIDDD
Bravo Scarlatti