The Strangest Reasons Folks Believe This B*ll*cks
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- I'm not an ex-muslim... hell, I'm barely an ex-christian... but I do know when things don't convince me because of how strange they are...
This video has a response to an Islamic channel, with them saying how strange it is to believe... but then they try and make out it's not really strange and give some 'good reasons' for belief that the quran is 'from a god'.
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So wait a minute. They know it wasn't written by Mohammad, because it wasn't in his writing style and they know this because they have examples of his writing style, but then he's illiterate and can't read or write? That, my friend, is called a contradiction.
Ding! Ding! Ding! DingDingDingDing! Winner winner chicken diner!
Not if his writing style was : kjxhgnuinkbhjcjkg jaL HA GCG CHAV.N AAYF KB ,bj ubtgnfhvgkjbmhljnnb46erdc fyvhm 878yu
@@Dr.JustIsWrong Lol Good point. It doesn't check out though if he wrote the hadiths in obviously clear (enough) language for others to even understand what he wrote.
Well done!
Maybe they dictated it and Allah wrote it down.
-It was divinely inspired, there is no other explanation!
-What about every other religion?
-Okay, now THOSE have a completely natural explanation...
It’s funny how no pagan makes that claim about their beliefs or myths
21:16 "This is not the utterance of an accursed devil."
Sounds like something an accursed devil would say.
*Rushdi enters the chat*
Once again, “my magic book proves my magic book is correct”.
Something in common with all religions. They all need to clarify "This is true, because it just is, ok?!"
It sounds better if you put on your country singing voice and sing like a whining child, or so I'm told. I can't help but disagree.
If Joseph Smith could do it, so can anyone else.
Literally this.
Smith was a poorly educated, mean-spirited, greedy, selfish, childish fool.
If he could pull off a con that fooled millions, anybody can.
I have a couple of hats to choose from and a bag of gravel, so let’s go and start a tax exempt religion.
L Ron Hubbard agrees.
-Joseph Smith wasn't a failed country singer though, so Allah wins this round. Do Pentecostals still breakdance and speak in tongues? Then they win this round. Catholics go to the next round for their costumes and theatrics.-
Okay, I take it all back. Tick is the best singer and wins! Lisa is the one true god, leaf be upon her. Moorhen!
@@Ugly_German_Truths I've always said L Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith are the two greatest salesmen of all time. The first time they told these crazy stories, they should've been laughed out of the country. But they weren't, and here we are.🤷🏾♀️😁
The question that this has raised in my mind is, did a human write The Recipe for Spaghetti Bolognese? Well I KNOW, in my stomach, that it was The Flying Spaghetti Monster Himself, parmesan be upon Him 😂
R'amen!
Meatballs be upon him
Forgive my blasphemy!!! Parmesan be upon him 😂
The wobbling pizza monster might have something to say about that.
Hmmm parmesan🤤
I think we can sum this up as 🎵 For the Quran tells me so🎵
Paulogia approves.
After this idiot’s strangled chanting, it sounded really uncomfortable, I’ve had enough of singing for one day. Leaf be upon you.
The monotone chanting makes it less catchy than the biblical version, though.
The Qur'an is like a rock opera. It's 7th century's equivalent of the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I suffered so much in this religion. i am an atheist since high school but unfortunately i sick of my family. they still think i am muslim. everyone has his own rights to choose religion, i cant complain about them but believe that, fake that to your beliefs is hard. i am listening this type of belief every day. So consider yourself lucky all who read this comment
i relate to this immensely 😩 if you just act a bit freely or non Muslimy, they would act like you are trying to kill them via heart attack.
Sorry to hear that man.
And let's not forget what Dianetics says. Wouldn't want to leave Scientologists out of this little "but my book has all the answers and is correct" tiff.
So he couldn’t read or write but nobody helped him to write that book. Sounds perfectly logical.
Well DUH because god! Don't you know any of the other only 4 possibilities are impossible because it makes me feel good???
Nobody helped me to not write this reply. Believe, infidel.
Not only that but they have evidence of other things he wrote so they know his style of writing
Almost as logical as Joseph Smith writing his big book of lies😉
@@vinnyganzano1930 which he didn’t write down himself, because he was barely literate. His neighbour did, while Joe stuck his face in a hat.
You know I"m really sick of this "Oh but they don't make themselves look perfect" arguments. I heard it a lot with Christian apologetics. Like it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to think maybe they made themselves look worse or blame them for things specifically so people WOULD believe it.
Or, god forbid, whoever wrote the parts were just honest people, willing to admit their faults?
It's like they never heard of guild and self doubt. If you write when you were in a dark place, you're not gonna give yourself a glowing review
@@fallenking578 you are your own worst critic, after all.
@@denverarnold6210 exactly.
@@denverarnold6210 Honestly by the time they bring up the "they didn't write themselves flawlessly" they usually spread so much other nonsense I'm not in a position to give them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah your take could be just as valid.
Yeah, singing out loudly a text makes it even more truer... :D
It's even worse, singing out loud a text your target audience does not understand!
What is the point? Just give us the translation! He is not addressing speakers of Arabic, given the presentation is in English.
@@Nocturnalux Exactly! Somebody should do a video speaking about Santa Claus Almighty while having someone slowly singing christmas songs in the background with lots of reverb on :D
@@juliebabygirl Yes, absolutely.
I swear, if this ever happened to me irl, I'd break into song in my native language and go on, and on, and on, and ON until they got the point that this only alienates people.
It's one thing to explain certain specific terms in context, it's another to just go on for lines on end in a language the audience does not understand.
So of his four options, there is no reason why 1, 2, and 3 can't all be true at the same time.
Thats a good point
Blasphemer! 4 can also be true! Satan could have been one of the Jews or Christians who helped the prophet (fleece be upon him) copy the old testament in his own words!
And, they can be true at the same time as 100's of other plausible reasons.
it could definitely be satan 😂 the arabic countries are miserable successfully.
Well heck by all the apologists logic every single physicist who made a hypothesis and later turned out to be correct are more of a prophet than any of the other ones who apparently had god talking to them religiously
The prophet Einstein?
Star trek and the Simpson's must also prophets and made more predictions that came true than the koran
@@markshort9098 _The Onion_ is correct so often it is scary.
@@markshort9098 honor the prophets Groening and Roddenberry, leaves be upon them.
@@markshort9098 Southpark
Hahahaha that singing was terrible 😂 🤣 and I thought I sucked, I bet this guy is a riot at karaoke
Same, I sound like a moose being hit by a Buick.
@@thetalkingbear LoL
I am a musician, and I say, pick a damn key and stay in it! 😆
@Turtle M Key? That's a thing in a dictionary right? 🤣
@@taborturtle The chanting is in a key not found in Western music, therefore it sounds out of key to the Western ear. While we may give him credit for being in key, nevertheless the chant is boring and inane. It sounds ridiculous and pointless in its lack of melodic variety and disconnection from dramatic purpose. It strikes me in pretty much the same way as the stupid chanting in traditional Catholic liturgy. The only point of the chanting is to ritualize the reading of the text and therefore to mark it off as "holy." It is a signifier without artistic content. Really dumb-ass.
I desperately need this man to learn how to NOT sing every syllable exclusively through his nose.
It's a requirement of his religious lunacy
@@andrewholdaway813 That singing style isn't exclusive to religious practice.
It’s how they’re taught these texts, so that even the majority of boys, who don’t understand the language, can learn these texts. It’s like learning the words to a nonsense song with made up words.
Look up: Prisencolinensinainciusol
I thought it was through his arse.
I thought it was through his anus.
I loved all of the "Leaf be upon her" in this episode! I never get tired of hearing that! It was interesting to see him include 2 passages, which are part of the reason for all of the Muslim hate towards the Jews and Christians. Calling them infidels? Yikes! Too bad they ALL get it wrong!
I'm glad you brought up that intro phrase...I'm not sure what he says after that... sounds like "more head"... I'm
all for that! haha
And don't forget the passage "why should you forbid yourself what god has made lawful for you, in order to please your wives?" WOW! Misogyny is still very much alive and kicking, and being taught to children in these faith schools. That's scary stuff.
@BandB1111111 he says, "More hen." I believe because it sounds like amen. Maybe? 🙂
Always for more head! But it is More Hen like Amen... because both are equally as ridiculous as the other
If the Quran was written by Allah, why did it happen to be written in the Arabic language? Why isn't it magically written in the language of whomever reads it? Surely a god would be able to accomplish this?
Also, must the divine musical language have only three notes? Couldn't Allah have written a nice score to go with the lyrics?
@@nmappraiser9926, well you know how Muslims are about music...
Seems like any halfway competent deity could do that.
A really good one could also write it so clearly there would be no chance of misreading it .
@@rickn8or But if said Deity did that, there would be no need of priests, mullahs, rabbis, preachers, bishops, popes and all the rest. It would destroy the largest industry on the planet!
And how could a celestial creator of all existence only understand Arabic?🤔
This thumbnail provides questions that need to be answered...
*edit: I don't know if I can say that any questions were answered, but seeing Lisa the rainbow giraffe (leaf be upon her) run away from the leaf about halfway through the video made me laugh my ass off. Well done and more hen.
Out here name dropping Forest Valkai, the kindest science teacher on the internet. (I'm just jealous of the slow dance.)
He’s equally as nice in person!
Of the two events with possible photographic proof, you chose to document ping pong... :-D ?
I saw what you did. And I too am gracious of the slow dance. Forrest, if you’re listening/reading, sounds like you’ve got an interesting fund raising scheme here…
@@markstyles1246 I thought he literally identified it as foosball table.
@@TheSkepTick _"[Forrest Valkai is] equally as nice in person!"_
And that it irrefutable evidence that Lisa is the one true goddess! Lisa is the nicest god of all and she is the only one who doesn't gaslight or demand worship. Forrest (and you, Tick) can't be the product of any other god :p Leaf be upon us all 🍃
I'm surprised there aren't more references to seagoing birds doing stuff across more religions. You know, because of all the gull ability.
Does the guy really think there can only have four options on how the book was made?!?
I know! And he didn't even include ho it actually happened! We all know mushrooms were involved.
To be fair, he seems REALLY locked in on Muhammad being the author of the entire thing.
The fact too that Mohammed was involved with heavy trade routes while in excite and could have easily heard the mix of folklores that the Bible, Quran, and Torah are based off. Not to mention most people don't talk like they write, so of course quotes written by other people sound different. It could have been any other follower who wrote it, it could be the versions we have are incomplete. There are other reasons then just his four
The most obvious option IMO is that Mohammed was a merchant married to Khadija, another merchant, so he must have heard lots of tales in his travels, including many Jewish and Christian ones. I thought this reason was just common sense.
@@fallenking578 But the guy in the video said that's not possible because his holy book bashes Christianity and Jewish. And that there are only those four possibilities. It's almost like he's come to the conclusion already.
Oh, my nonexistent God! When he started doing that humming/singing thing, I was on the floor. What the f***!
When the very foundations of a belief are based on faulty assumptions, anything built on top is destined to fail.
That doesn't track though. Liars can be successful,build empires, and start religions with a billion followers.
@@Marniwheeler
Every single empire falls eventually
Just think of all the war and bloodshed that has happened as a direct consequence of this book. A book, a book!!
Salman Rushdie knows that feeling.
@@stevangelical7052
My point exactly!
Giving me flashbacks to the Golden Child where Eddie Murphy was singing nonsense on the airplane.
I said I - I, I - I want the knife ...... Please .....
Giving me flashbacks of afghan. Where fuckers would pray in the middle of a war zone. Lol
For some reason this reminds me of a kind of random anecdote from my job at 7-Eleven. A gentleman came in and asked for $47 to be loaded on his card. He handed me a $20 bill. He genuinely didn't understand that 20 is less than 47. After explaining he needs more money, he handed me two $5 bills. I told him that was $30. He was genuinely confused. Didn't seem drunk, I really don't know how an adult can survive without the knowledge that 1 is less than 2, or in this case that 20 is less than 47.
High-functioning developmentally-disabled or some other mental issue.
npc interaction💀
Meth
Amazing he doesn't realize that basically every story back then, BECAUSE so many people were illiterate, we carried by oral traditions. Or that, if I recall right, the events of Jesus were written down 100 years after HIS death. 90% sure there's more than enough time overlap for him to have heard the story.
The Torah wasn't even written down until after the destruction of the second temple because they were scared it would be lost forever because they were decimated and scattered. It was all orally learned and taught up to that point.
@@melanyebaggins You're thinking of the talmud, not the torah. The talmud a running rabbinic commentary.
The gospels were written 40-90 years after the death of Jesus.
Sometimes during a video I pause it and jump in the comments just to see what people are saying and no matter who's video it is (among atheist TH-camrs) I always feel like " yep these are my people I belong here😂" thanks for bringing us together
Thanks for being part of all this!
So freaking true. I live in rural Texas, and occasionally binge videos like this to remind me that I'm not alone.
Fr
If the skeptik wrote this episode, why would small parts of this episode disparage spektik?
Brits. No reasons necessary.
Only four options? He forgot about aliens.
How are aliens supposed to get through the firmament?
Didn't think of that, didja?
@@rickn8or That's not a firmament, that's the lid on our petri dish.
"It's never aliens... until it's aliens" - Matt O'Dowd, PBS Space Time
You mean space aliens?
This video is the perfect demonstration of why I could never be muslim. That chanting worse than eternal conscious torment could ever be.
While I investigate christian claims, I grant myself the permissions to not give the slightest shit about islam. With that said, I've heard it postulated that it grew out of some branch of gnostic christianity. While I personally don't have the background to know if it's true, it would explain any seemingly anti-christian statements in the quran; they had extremely different views of Jesus and "the father" than the orthodoxy. As for anti-jewish statements, the new testament is littered with them, from Paul asserting that the jews killed Jesus in 1 Thessalonians through Matthew's crowd at the trial screaming that Jesus's blood would be on them and their children through John's Jesus asserting that the jews had been scheming to kill him all along and were the children of the devil.
"That chanting worse than eternal conscious torment could ever be."
Like a garden rake on a slate chalkboard.
Or having to be around the kind of Christians that would make it to Heaven.
A dutch comedian said: één verkeerde komma of letter maakt zelfs van Jezus nog een ketter (one wrongly placed comma or letter would make even Jesus a heretic). It’s what causes religions to split up all the time; the one true religion gets split up into two true religions.
That chanting is killing me!
How can a theist go through so many mental gymnastics and not cause back injuries?
Sprained cortex
@@kellydalstok8900, That's another way to describe the religious.
The semen in his back help in the impact.
They do all the time, but a/the god fixes the injuries almost instantly using sky magic
Unrelated to your comment, but you have the bad color on my Shinigami Eyes. Feel free to not engage with me if you actually are anti-trans (and I won't respond to baiting), but I'm genuinely confused as I've never met someone anti-trans who was also atheist. At least, in my experience, theism is the root of the bigotry.
And people wonder why a lot more youtube atheists don't tackle Islam...
Here it is boys.
This is the quality of apologetics used. That's why.
No matter who you look at, you will always feel like you are punching down.
I hate the weird programmed auto response "peace be upon him". This guy spoke english just fine then suddenly broke into song when quoting things, perhaps there is another reason but I think he just wanted to sing.
It's seriously rude to his audience. The presentation is in English, for non-Arabic speakers so why break into singing in a language we won't be able to at all follow?
I swear, if this happened to me irl, I'd start singing in my native language and see how far that'd get us!
They learn the text by singing them. The majority of non arabic people probably don’t understand the language, but singing something in a language you don’t understand, or a made up one, makes it much easier to remember the words.
@@kellydalstok8900 But why bother with the Arabic text, at all, when the presentation is for people who do not speak the language?
Just give us the translation.
@@Nocturnalux whats your native language?
@@Nocturnalux Problem is, that they believe arabic/the Qur'an can't be (accurately) translated, so the traditional singing and arabic text.
That "singing" 😂. Every now and then it sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger breaks into the song and interrupts 😂🤣.
Well, they are a Dutch channel.
@@830toAwesome this. it was hilarious aauuughauuggh. i was waiting for 'get your ass to mars'
What's Arabic for "get to the choppa!!"
The part on the prophet's personal infos would have been an excellent transition to a Nord VPN sponsorship. "Moses was mentioned a 100 times. Unlike the Prophet, he wasn't using a VPN!"
Also, it's unacceptable how you missed a "Leaf be upon her". We need repent!
I caught that too. Skep-tick left Lisa UNLEAFED like a BLASPHEMER! MAURICE BE UPON HIM!
I like how he never even considered that it could have been a combination of the four options. I suspect it probably was.
This whole video could have been avoided if the Muslim Apologists had ever Googled the phrase 'Holmsian fallacy" once in their entire life.
For those of you who don't know: the fallacy is basically drawing a conclusion despite all possible outcomes not having been defined and dismissed.
How many times does Tolkien get mentioned in the hobbit? Doesn't that prove he didn't write it? Surely nobody can resist their ego to that extent !
It just didn't make... Oh, wait, I've written books,too, and i don't get a mention in THEM either! Does this mean by hands were guided by noodly appendages? Surely without HIS guidance,i would've been unable to resist mentioning myself!
This proves the flying spaghetti monster exists!
There's no other possible explanation!
Saying the wahi without saying inshallah....oh my!!
Allah don't cut nobody no slack.
The gentleman couldn't find a point with a compass, a bloodhound, and a Ouija board.
He couldn't find a point if he was trapped in an iron maiden!
Another thing about the "prophecies" that "came true" is that them not coming true isn't even a hint of a concern. We have television evangelists (at least in the USA) like Pat Robertson who have made hard predication that failed entirely, and he just gives a lame excuse and keeps on going, and his followers give him even more money.... These kinds of charlatans aren't worried about losing the respect of the their followers because the only people following them in the first place are either their Inner circle that know it is a sham and are in it for the money and power so they won't leave for anything or gullible rubes that can be talked into or out of basically anything, which is the only reason they are following "the prophet" in the first place.
This has the same ring of truth about it as reading golden tablets out of a hat.
In addition to his 4 possibilities, is the possibility it was written by *multiple* people, as most religious texts are. This would easily explain the different writing styles. Also, the hadith are themselves a compilation of things hundreds of people *claimed* Mo said, written down and sorted thru by another bunch of people. No surprise it's style would vary.
6:00 Weird that he *sings* this verse. I've heard Arabic speakers talking, and they don't sing everything. Maybe he's trying to give it false credibility, or maybe like a lot of people with the alphabet, he has to sing the mnemonic song to be sure of getting it right. In any case, thing passage seems clearly written by somebody other than Mo, and not inspired by God either. If it were God talking, he wouldn't say "May God…", and it it were Mo talking about Mo, he wouldn't say "…pardon you". The parts blaming the prophet were likely written by somebody else.
6:30 Wow. I wanted to see what Mo was forbidding himself, so I looked up this surah. The very next line says the believers can absolve themselves of oaths. Reading further down, this is said so that Mo can threaten to divorce his wives if they don't completely obey him. Which is bad enough, but the "absolve themselves" line makes it difficult to trust any oath from a Muslim. [Interestingly, this whole surah is written *about* Mo. Further evidence against him being the author.]
13:20 We know much of the Quran comes from the bible/torah, because it directly copies stuff from them. Then changes it a bit, like every new sect does. Probably some christian missionary who spoke Arabic taught him or whoever wrote the Quran about the bible stories.
16:45 Nobody had to collaborate with the author, or "allow" him to write any particular verse. All they had to do is teach him the christian story. Then he did whatever he wanted with the story.
18:30 What if what they think is "seeking refuge from Satan" is just another fake instruction from Satan?
20:20 Quran *says* it's the word of God? You mean, like *every* monotheistic scripture does? Not very convincing.
"it had to be god because no one ever owns up to their mistakes" phenomenal argument. Im convinced
They all claim that their religious books were divinely inspired. There are over 4,000 recognised religions in the world, and they all claim to be the one true religion.
God's a schizophrenic.
@@vinnyganzano1930 Yes, god clearly has multiple, conflicting, identities.
@@clemstevenson on top of his poor anger management. He seriously needs treatment.
@@kellydalstok8900 Yes, this poor guy is suffering, as a consequence of his incurable invisibility disease. It must be very stressful being permanently invisible.
Divine Revelation Vs. Conartistic Concealment; Oz The Great & Powerful Vs. The Con Man Behind the Curtain.
What I find most amusing is that people will make a video like this and they think, 'yup, I totally nailed it, no way you don't believe in Allah after watching this!'. And EVERYONE who has ever made any video, book, pamphlet, play or whatever before also thought the same thing. I find them all equally convincing, ZERO.
I used to hate listening to the prayers over loud speakers in Afghanistan. Shit was annoying. Still is.
This is brilliant. By far your best video to date. You've perfectly explained the gullibility of religious people, whilst also making me laugh throughout. They just believe so easily lol. I tip my cap fine Sir-cle
I think it's more indoctrination from a young age.
He is like "see Mohamud talks shit about himself in his book, why would he do that?, It must be true".
Or, and this is way more likely, he out that stuff there to seem more compelling, because everyone knows that if you put something embarrazing in a story it makes it more believable, even people of that time.
I didnt know that skep tick can sing verses with religious groove.
Nice job
That was pretty impressive. And more than that, I could listen to that without too much worry. Tick bullshits a lot, but he'll not be dishonest about it by pretending it's true and then doubling down and threatening people with hell and/or worse.
Woah, woah, hold on, back up... you played Foosball AND had a slow dance with Forrest Valkai?! I mean, I understand why you don't have photographic evidence of that (it's private and he might ask you to leave if you just whipped out your... camera), but I'm wondering why this is the first time I'm hearing about this! The algorithm truly doesn't care about me, obviously. I'm glad Lisa does! 🍂
Interestingly every religion I have looked at uses amazingly similar arguments in their claim that they are the one, true religion.
The lack of self awareness is absolutely brilliant. "How could it be possible?" Exactly!
"My proof is literally just me saying every other possibility is actually impossible just because." also "peace be upon him" is a weird verbal tick to have...Leaf be upon her...
I find them constantly saying peace be upon him irritating.
My favorite of Terry Pratchett's books is Small Gods.
It addresses the stupidities of religions in a good and humorous way.
My favorite author by the way.
(Peace be upon him)
**Leaf be upon her**
🌈🍃🍂🦒
I did not expect to have Kermit the Frog singing to me today. The years have not been good to his voice.
Not sure why, but I start laughing out loud every time the bloke starts singing.
Ooh boy that gave me an earache 😬
I have another option. Muhammad had plenty of contact with both Christian and Jewish communities where he lived. He had the idea of creating a religion that the other two faiths would see as coming from God and follow Muhammad. Which is why the Qur'an clumsily mimics previous scriptures and rewrites their stories to fit "the prophet's" narrative. Muhammad tried to sell his new religion to the Christians and Jews but they basically told him to shove off. They weren't buying it. They had their own inspired scriptures and didn't need his thankyouverymuch. Muhammad was pretty miffed and dejected from that rather foreseeable rejection but he kept at it by taking his message to the warring Bedouin tribes. They lapped that stuff up. Thus, Muhammad had a ready-made army of followers to help him spread the message of Islam to the rest of the world. The Qur'an (much like the Bible) had writes and rewrites and later edits over time. Several versions of it existed until a sultan finally ordered one copy as the official copy and all other burned. Ta daaaaaa.
Knocking out options doesn't mean other options are automatically true. Any option needs to have proof to support it's validity. Then there's the whole question of demonstrating a god exists to be an option in the first place.
P.S. there are conflicting accounts about Muhammad being illiterate. It seems he could read and write just fine. The word translated as illiterate can also mean he lacked an advanced education.
So Muhammad was sort of the L. Ron Hubbard of his day?
Joseph Smith wasn’t entirely illiterate, just not literate enough to write a book. He needed his neighbour to write his babbling down for him. Twice. And just like the commandments Moses destroyed, the second text didn’t match the original.
@@rickn8or -- LRH was heard to joke that the best way to get rich was start a religion. After that he created Scientology using really awful science fiction. It doesn't appear that Muhammad was in it strictly to roll in cash. There are accounts he spent a lot of time fasting, so he might have set himself up with the right conditions for a delusion. He may have really thought he was visited by God and was told to unite the Christians and Jews with a new revelation. It's not the first time. I've actually talked to people who thought they had some brilliant, God-given idea to unite the faiths and make everyone live in peace. The problem with these sorts of revelations is that God, apparently, didn't understand that the new revelation often ran counter to the beliefs of the Christians and Jews, and their supposed revelations from God. Which was one reason why they didn't believe Muhammad's claims. They all believed they had the correct revelation from God.
Muhammad didn't take the rejection very well. So when he had an armed force at his disposal in the Bedouins, he took it out on everyone and forced them to submit. "I tried being nice to you guys. I gave you a chance. Welllll. We'll make you submit to God one way or another." The rest is history.
LRH didn't need an army of warriors. He had a cadre of believers in his pseudoscientific psychobabble who were impressed by the e-meters and thought this was all legit science and stuff. He slowly fed them information bit by bit, for a hefty price, to keep them hooked as long as possible. And, let's face it, people are generally pretty damn gullible.
@@Kevin_Williamson, yep, pretty much my understanding of how things came about.
@@kellydalstok8900, IIRC, his first edition was destroyed by his wife, and when he produced the second edition, there were provisions for multiple wives.
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I don't know if it's true that there wasn't an Arabic translation of the Bible & Torah until after Muhammad died, but there were Greek & Latin translations. Doing some Googling, Muhammad was born in Saudi Arabbia, which wasn't far away from the Roman Empire, so yeah, there were probably scribes there who knew Latin. Since the Quran clearly uses Jewish & Christian writings as a source, even changes some things it has hindsight on, & since the whole story is that Muhammad dictated the Quran to his scribes, the correct answer is clearly "Options 1, 2, & 3." Muhammad authored the Quran with the help of scribes & other texts.
Which also answers some of the other alleged problems. The style was different because it wasn't solely his work, & he might have even been using different scribes. The rest simply aren't problems. I don't even see where Muhammad is blamed in those verses, but considering the narrative is that he's not a perfect being, he's just a prophet, he wouldn't portray himself as flawless. The Bible pulls a similar trick with the apostles, which Christians often use to "prove" that the Bible is true &, since it claims Jesus was perfect, Jesus must be god. So, according to this guy's logic, shouldn't Christianity be the right religion?
This is the most poetic video from you so far
You forgot to add “leaf be upon her here”: 5:48
I used to live a few kilometres from a mosque. That singing has brought back some terrible 5:30 am memories.
6:00 This song will never chart. I mean, unless threats of violence are inv... wait... shit.
Seriously, the written language is absolutely beautiful... but this chanting is against the Geneva convention.
@@FakingANerve had the Americans played that non stop to torture muslim prisoners, I’m sure it would even have gotten on THEIR nerves eventually.
When he started singing I've not look the video, just listening to it, but either way it stand, had a question to him: "Do you have a seisure? Shall I call ambulance?"
He was unsuccessfully strangled, by the sound of it.
Wow! I thought Christian and Catholic reasoning was illogical and fallacious but then you feature this guy's videos lol!
He does have a nice voice at least haha
He sounded like he was being strangled.
Thanks for posting such videos mate, I hope you continue more and more this are things people must watch
Was that a stroke and choking, at the same time?
The singing doesn’t make it anymore appealing. 😂
Absolutely fantastic video!
Is it just me, or is this guy making sounds as if he is about to call Ralph on the big white phone, whenever he "recites" passages?
To this very day I didn't know you were supposed to sing the book.
It's actually rather refreshing to watch vids countering Muslim apologetics. With Christian apologetics you have to contend with all these wacky and extreme mental gymnastics. Muslim apologetics is more like Stuart from Mad TV saying "Look what I can do!" Instead of gymnastics, it's closer to a mental couch potato with an involuntary twitch.
It's bugging me very much every "peace be upon him" after every mention of muhammad. Oh it bugs me very much, and I don't know why
Evidence obviously has a variable definition depending on what you want it to mean rather than on what the word actually means according to the vast majority of dictionaries.
The incredible, elaborate fantrasies that cultures come up with for the sake of denying the reality of death are fascinating.
That " peace be Apon him" gets really old, really fast.
"Leaf be upon them" is way better.
It is astonishing that someone will go to such lengths to make themselves look like a complete idiot. Neither his premise nor any of his arguments make any sense.
The local Kebab seller wrote the Quran as he bored waiting for the next customer. The only guy whom could read and write within 200 kilometers. He was the local story teller.
I just can't believe how so many muslims I know would rather double down on claiming that the quran is still relevant to their lives today. 🤦
I always enjoy the high resolution Giraffics :) .
Sub earned for the Terry Pratchett reference
Thanks John
Gahhh that was as annoying as listing to the followers of Alaundo singing his prophecy of the Baal Spwan in CandleKeep
The illiteracy thing- Clearly he couldn't read, But he did have ears. He was a merchant after all the Christian and Jewish Traders and businessmen coming to his stall or whatever he had would obviously talk about their religions. It's not to farfetched to think that the verses that he(his scribe) wrote of the Torah and new testament were written into the koran to give a bit more credence to his new "religion". Note that the stories from the Torah and bible are loosely translated into verses for the koran. Being illiterate he clearly didn't write anything down or remember everything the Jewish and Christians talks about. I'm willing to bet he loved the story from genesis about Abraham fathering a boy to an arabic slave girl and that that child would be part of a great nation.
Bible banned by the church. What ban. They didn't need to ban it. Generally speaking Christians were illiterate. Banning a book that 99% of the populous couldn't read is just stupid. Lets also remember that Christian Masses were held in Latin. Something else that the general Christian populous could read or understand. Kings and their court learned enough to get by. The only literate Christians were monks, priests, and the rest of the clergy.
When the narrator of the video started singing verses, I had to mute the video. He was upsetting my cat.
When you said the only thing circular around here I was honestly expecting to say is "your logic"
Weird, absolutely weird ! Still a non-believer.
He didnt even address the sixth option, that the Prophet dictated a bunch of nonsense whilst smoking the Hasheesh, like the moon splitting in twain for example, and having some poor scribe write all his ramblings down, probably while a scimitar was pressed against his neck...
06:30, I hope it doesn’t hurt that poor bastard as much to sing, as it hurts my ears to hear it.
Hilarious presentation... and TheSkepTick's commentary was quite amusing as well.
Adding a comment to feed the TH-cam algorithm. 🙋🏻♂️
That's the sort of comment I've been leaving for various TH-camrs I follow to help their algorithm too.
I must admit I am just copying comments I have seen. 🤷🏻♂️
@@johnburn8031 Well keep it up if you want to help who you follow. Yay!
Thank you 🙋🏻♂️
He's apparently unaware that not only were there other faiths in the region besides Christianity and Judaism, but the Catholic Church's prohibition on translations didn't happen for centuries after Biblical times and only applied to laity, not monks or priests. Historically, most Catholic heresies were "invented" by monks or priests, not secular Christians.
This sounded like a 3rd grade school myth! Giving the Christians/ others a run for their money 🤑
And Spider-Man comics exist, therefore Peter Parker wrote the comics about himself because he personally narrates the beginning of all the movies with that tired "You might be wondering how I got here" record scratch intro that's as lazy as it is boring.
And Deadpool is constantly breaking the fourth wall so Deadpool movies are actually written by him.
Muslim apologetics is a fairly recent invention; apart from the fact that islam is a spin-off cult of a much older spin-off cult of an even older cult, it also didn't need apologetics because they could up until recently completely get away with wanton murder and still mostly do, so they never needed to develop it.
It shows. When you see videos like "Our magic book says our magic book's main character is real so he wrote the magic book", it _shows_ how new they are at this. Crayon-square-house-with-smiley-sun-drawing new at this.
And a chimney place at a right angle on the side of the roof.
If Spider-Man didn't come from Stan Lee, where did it come from? What a ridiculous statement.
Steve Ditko am cry.