I'm ngl episode 2 has the lore drops to be an incredible movie but the writing is unwatchable, if anything I would like a thorough, live-action clone wars retelling full politics game of thrones style buy the fan boys would burn disney to the ground
The prequel revisionism is a sight to behold. I'm not a fan of the sequels like so many of us but to pretend like a lot of the stuff that Disney has been giving us hasn't been leaps and bounds better than the prequels is laughable. It feels like a lot of the OG Star Wars fans are chasing a first high that they will never get again.
@@Darkwarlord1533 There is no revisionism, people who grew up with the prequels have always loved them, only the older Star Wars fans hated them, most people admit they're not the best written or acted but they offer deep world building Disney has not once been able to match, so many factions, Star systems and concepts were introduced seamlessly into the universe, everyone complains about the midiclorians but that's just one of the many things that were introduced.
Wtf is Korey talking about?! He harping on how the writing in star wars hasnt been criticized until now and its because fans were giving a pass to previous movies because the characters were white? That is complete BS
@@majorharris2335He never said that. He’s simply saying that today, these people that are basically are louder than the people aren’t. Plenty of people who are really into the prequels are louder after the sequels are out.
@@thefirstbourne149 That doesn't prove the reason they don't like Disney Star Wars is because of minority casting though, Corey himself shits on the sequels in the same breath ffs.
This is why I stopped watching Korey and the DT shows a while back, because his takes were just so ridiculous and uninformed. He keeps thinking it's "white people" all the time, rejecting "woke ideology". YET, Korey himself is not even aware of who "Larry Fink" is and the sheer LIES of woke and DEI doctrine. None of it is genuine about "Diversity"; I told him this a while back, that he should have realized this at the point of the Little Mermaid remake/live-action; but sadly he's just clueless. And Korey doesn't even understand Starwars fans period.
@@thefirstbourne149 That's cause the ones who are quiet are LAX, man those peoples just STAY docile lol. Whereas Passionate Starwars fans will ALWAYS voice their opinions. Now I don't agree with the ones who can't articulate themselves well, and end up shouting insults and just fighting everyone else. Also the Prequel haters did not help anything, and funny enough they soon changed their tone when the sequels came along, and they found those movies way worse. But for the most part the passionate fans who truly care about starwars, love it enough that they WILL call out BAD WRITING and INCONSISTENCY when it is clearly evident; which was what they did with the Sequels, with BOBF, with Kenobi especially and now with this here Acolyte. I think if you and Korey were to actually pay attention to the "Starwars TH-camrs" on here, voicing their honest OPs, like SWT, or Thor Skywalker, EBN. You would gain a real solid understanding of how Most Starwars fans feels. BUT because Korey only pays attention to people on Twitter, he's ends up totally missunderstanding, and completely losing the plot on how the *Starwars Fandom* TRULY FEEL.
@@robertgrier8943 My thoughts exactly. The first moment a character spoke in the first episode, the prequels completely came to mind. I was like...Oh no!
@@MarcOfAnArtist-rg1qf It's set 100 years before the prequels. The Jedi are in their absolute prime. So yes, it makes sense that they would talk how they did in the prequels. Sorry for you.
It’s eight episodes, not six, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no way they’ll be able to close out this mystery box of a series in a satisfying fashion.
Idk why akorey is so caught up on 6 episodes. If the show is good and I mean good it can have 20 episodes in a season and imma watch it could be 12, 13, hell ill do 10. But 6? Right when I'm getting into it it's over. Then take forever making the next season
Naw. Come on, Korey. People lost their Sh*t about midicholorians! TLJ was dog-walked all over town. The Rise of Skywalker was called trash. Hell, Andor has lesbian main characters, and no one cares. That show is good, and The Acolyte is the worst Star Wars show ever written. It's not because people of color or different sexuality are in it.
"its good but its also bad" Isnt that what star wars is anyway? People today like to pretend the prequels are genius, but you cant pretend they arent hot garbage in story and pacing
Preach!! I don’t get why everyone is like this is the worse Star Wars. There’s a Ewok Christmas Special. Is Acolyte the best? Far from it. Is it the worse? By no means is it even close. Boba Fett was far worse ans Mandalorian Season 3. I had a hard time watching Obi Wan series.
Exactly, I’m eating all of this up and animated stuff like visions, tales of the empire/tales of the Jedi. People claim to love the lore but they don’t watch those last two I said, or rebels or clone wars. It’s always been a mixed bag. Mfs want Star Wars to be Dune pt 2 so bad
Is it just me or do a lot of these Disney series just follow the same pattern as far as the discourse goes? Episodes 1&2: It's got some interesting ideas, some interesting cinematography, shows us a different side of the world. And like a small contingent of the fanbase is mad because there's POC in it. Episodes 3-5: Hype's subsided, just quiet murmurings and theories about where it's all going, oh shit this episode had a good cliffhanger, maybe a gratuitous cameo. Which, none of that speaks to the show's quality, it's just intrigue and lore. Episode 6: Sudden silence. Most fans are dissatisfied, the ones who said it was woke crap without specificity as to its problems were like "see I told you". A real middling cliffhanger because Disney hasn't decided if this is a full series, a miniseries, or an eight hour movie. Every time.
The big problem with this show is how you can tell there was no pushbacks in the writing room, pivitol moments that feel dull or dragging is so present if it's not action. Ideas and concepts thrown in without thought of the current situation like May flip flopping turning herself in or killing the jedi, dialogue that feels forced to not correlate to what the character said 5 mins ago to forward plot, or have this suspense with the jedi that feels like it won't go anywhere because of the star wars timeline
Lol ofcourse there were no pushbacks in the writing room. IF the Lucasfilm Story Group and Pablo wouldn't push back on Rian and JJ, making sure their ideas and overall story made sense and didn't contradict established lore; there's no way that same story group would ever push back against a member of the rainbow community.
I’ve been hearing this conversation about the idea around “What does it lead to?” or “What is the big picture?” And I have to say as a Star Wars fan myself I don’t quite understand why we have to ask those questions. This franchise for the past 40 years has never really focused on the idea of some “big picture” thing or always leading us to something. No matter if it’s the movies, the shows, the books/comics or the videos, Star Wars I think has grown so much because it’s a world that can expand itself through just pure lore and interesting storytelling of all different kinds of characters and events. You don’t always need everything to connect in which I can understand for some people is a problem with this franchise like this because they feel like everything connects. I just don’t think that’s the way we have to think about it.
Plus they complain if it did Lead somewhere. Redlettermedia said it best in their review. The show isn’t bad or great but people want you to think anything not perfect is trash. They said all the fans want something different. They just need to reboot but they sorta did that and people complained they got rid of some lore so they placed some back in. Disney might need to just stop listening to fans and just make stories they like some one will find it fun while TH-camrs rake in the hate money.
@@nichescenes listen man you’re not wrong at all because at the end of the day no matter what Disney does with this franchise an IP there are people out there who are just going to brand themselves off, hating it and thinking everything they put out is garbage or fanfiction. I am Somebody who personally believes that the acolyte is underwhelming decent at best and this last episode boosted it up a lot. But I have not for one second thought about going out of my way to ruin that for others by grifting my way through hating on it for the sake of the algorithm prioritizing me. There are definitely things that Star Wars needs to fix right now and I’d happily go into detail on them, but I just thought that this conversation between Korey and them was very misplaced.
I think maybe he means the messy mystery box way inwhich it is written, taking too long to really get going and feel like it's leading somewhere. "it’s a world that can expand itself through just pure lore and interesting storytelling" Which is EXACTLY what those in the storygroup at Kathy's Lucasfilm seem to keep avoiding. Remember what she said? "We have NO BOOKS, NO COMICS, NO SOURCE MATERIAL. Nothing except talented storytellers who are looking for what the next iteration will be." Kennedy said that, which shows us that they actively AVOID the LORE like it don't exist, and instead keep working to recontextuatize it, or just straight out Retcon aspects of the lore. Like what they've done with Ki Adi mundi appearing in this show. When they KNEW FULL WELL they could have just used someone like Yaddle, who would be alive during this time.
@@RaikenXion if they avoid lore then why is it all over their shows and games? Not a very smart thing to say if you’ve seen this stuff. Also if you care that much about Mundi’s birthday (which by the way Lucas doesn’t even consider real) of all things I can’t imagine what else you think is a big deal. Lore has been getting changed around purposely since Star Wars was a thing. Doesn’t matter if it’s Lucas doing it, Filoni, Headland or whoever else.
@@OrionInSpace Not to the drastic measure that Disney/Lucasfilm have been changing it. Also, regardless whether Lucas himself didn't care much about exactly how old Ki-Adi Mundi was, YOU KNOW they could have included Yaddle instead! They know what they were doing bringing Mundi into this, watch the interview Leslie Headland has that guilty laugh; this is pure spite and done to antagonize us fans. The LORE they tweak and change to HOW THEY WANT!! E.g. Filoni was VERY happy to bring the legendary "Thrawn" into "Disney Starwars" (and bastardize writing him in the process) yet not Filoni nor Kennedy wanted to bring in MARA JADE huh!? Yeah. Disney even change their OWN CANON, when it suits them, they can't even keep that consistent. Look at young Kanan in BB compared to the comics. Or Ashoka and her whole backstory. Cobb Vanth from the "Aftermath" stories, his backstory was slightly changed up for him appearing in the Mandalorian. But yet Grogu being taken by Luke at the end of Season 2 Mando, and becoming his FIRST EVER STUDENT he trained, oh Kennedy absolutely could NOT let that build any further, and so she blocked it and got the Disney bosses to order Favreau to have Grogu reuinted back with Din ASAP in Boba's book. They're just a bunch of hypocrites.
It’s superficial af. Think too hard about it and it frustrates you. It doesn’t have to lead anywhere big picture, imo, but nothing feels like it’s leading anywhere small picture as well. I’d swear this entire thing is a troll job
I think the reason why so many people are complaining about the writing of current SW is due to the recent amount of shows having consistent issues in that area (not including Andor). And there are definitely glimpses of quality or good ideas for some of the recent SW shows, but it is all about execution and that's where they fail. With The Acolyte the premise is interesting on paper but the way it's playing out so far has left me feeling apathetic because it feels devoid of logic, depth and intrigue. And hey if you like it more power to you but this isn't it.
Writing has never been a strong feature of the SW franchise. The prequel movies featured snappy dialogue such as, "I hate sand." Anyone dinging this show for "bad writing" without giving an example is probably using that as an excuse.
@@hoos3014 The original trilogy was largely well written. The first movie had terrible dialogue and some pacing issues, but ESB and RotJ are well written. The prequels were poorly written. The sequels are just bad from a writing perspective which mostly starts with there was no consistent narrative and just falls down a dark pit from there. Andor is excellently written. Mandalorian has some good writing until the last season. Some of the best Star Wars writing actually comes out of the cartoon serires with the last seasons of the Clone Wars and Rebels. To say all Star Wars is bad writing is just as lazy an argument as saying the Acolyte is trash bc of wokeness.
Korey is trying to agree with the criticisms of the “right wing bigots” and gaslighting them at the same time. And as a black liberal myself, he’s on some BS. The people denouncing Star Wars for being “woke” have been doing it since the release of “The Last Jedi” over the horrendous portrayal of Luke Skywalker’s character. This didn’t start with the Disney+ shows. The Disney+ shows are just forcing left-leaning critics to begrudgingly admit that the “racists and bigots” actually have a point.
Mae's motivations did not change. Her priorities are 1) Survival and 2) Reunification with Osha. All of her actions can be understood in that framework.
But the previous episode she literally said she was going to hand herself in to the jedi. And as soona as she was in handcuffs she wanted to kill the jedi. And as soon as she reunited with osha she don't tell her the truth and knocks her out and leaves her to die 🤷 @@hoos3014
@@hoos3014I sware people’s favorite word is bad writing. It ends all debate as if such a statement is objective then when asked name said bad writing it’s a bunch of nitpicky stuff you can find in even breaking bad or it’s them needing to be told not shown everything. Just say the tone and feel of the show isn’t for you. I know the show isn’t great but people acting like it’s bobfet bad are clowns. Like your drinking the TH-cam hate coolaid. Korey hating Star Wars ain’t new he didn’t love andor either nothing will get him back. He’s also more into one off stuff not ongoing forever stories. As a critic he gets bored east by not seeing things that are new but most stories to mass appeal will feel a bit safe. This ep wasn’t super safe and people complained. We’ve been watching for a total of about 1 or 2 episode premier and people complain the story isn’t nearly done. It’s obvious they wanted several seasons. So yeah it’s gonna be a slower burn but it’s not the worst show in existence like people are saying. Expectations through the roof. I saw angry Joe start a review crying that people shouldn’t be happy it’s still bad. Real low bias way to start a review. - sarcasm. People love that Disney hate bandwagon money but at some point hating everything gets exhausting. Kicking a puppy can only bring so much joy to miserable people.
The fight was good but then you think about things like Wait where was Sol Why can Mae kill Jedi masters but loses to a Padawan Why can that Padawan hold her own against the sith That neck twist went hard tho no notes on that one 😂
Not defending the show but Mae doesn’t best any of the Jedi in combat. One is killed because she saved someone, leaving her exposed. The other drinks the poison that she gives him. She didn’t beat any of those Jedi in battle. She was bested by every Jedi she fought. There are problems with the show but I don’t think that specifically is a plot hole.
People say this or that they want good writing but when they we get it no one watches it. Then praise the prequels then get mad when they give you something like the prequels there’s no winning with this fanbase
@@mikeynike81 That was because Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan sucked so most audiences gave up on Disney+ Star Wars. People didn’t want to give Andor a chance.
I think the Mandalorian Seasons 1&2 had a near perfect Balance. Plenty of serious toned scenes, and violence when Mando gets in danger and is fighting villains and protecting the child. Then some nice, harmless scenes of weird creatures, Jawas and the like. Plenty of action, good consistency, cool stories. Solid set pieces, god balanced use of the volume, interesting and compelling characters. Andor needs MORE ALIENS I don't care if Tony Gilroy thinks they're stupid! And it needs to have actual Starwars sounding music. I don't care bout the Acolyte and it's writing is a sheer mess, but I did notice it has a good soundtrack, music that actually sounds like *Star Wars*. Andor sounded more like that Foundation show.
The problem I personally have with the acolyte, not being a star wars fan boy, just a General casual Viewer is that the story is poorly written and inconsistent. Jedi masters dying haphazardly forgetting they have special abilities at pivotal fight sequences simply because the plot restricts them and wouldn't be convenient for the villains to defeat them as easily. All these Jedi's deaths doesn't seem earned nor is there a build up appropriately showing and convincing us the villains truly are formidable. Its annoying hearing dialogue say blades nor lasers can't defeat a jedi and literally the following episodes blades and lasers defeat jedi. It seems like the story is being forced instead of creating real characters letting the plot organically happen according to their motives and personalities. Its simply not compelling nor believable even when you try to suspend disbelief.
Yeah, I think the show and Disney should do better for casual fans like yourself. Bc I feel like people who love the lore and know about the Jedi and their faults can understand and interpret issues you may have as a casual fan. We can fill in the blanks but maybe that’s not the way to write these shows
But the show does say that the Stranger gets into their head when fighting and doesn't follow the rules or flow of combat that the JEDI follow in battle. They do not look like they are used to fighting people like the Stranger, or even other force users. The dialogue is clunky and the writing sometimes has me a bit confused, but the show is fine. It's not had enough to warrant the vitriol it's getting. If anything, it's getting people like me, who would've never watched it in the first place, to check it out to see what's kicking up such a storm.
@@Susanoo7108 ok, but he was fighting like 5 Jedi at once, you'll have me believe he's infiltrating all their minds at once? Even when they try to explain things the dialogue makes you scratch your head harder. I don't care much for the show it just has too many plotholes and oversights for my liking.
@jeffderice753 maybe not when he's fighting multiple at once, but he was using the environment to his advantage to avoid being overwhelmed. Although, it's also possible he affected the force connection of the jedi somehow, a bit like how Palpatine was able to take down so many Jedi in episode 3. Maybe that's what was meant Yord meant by getting into your head, not by targeting you, but the force you're connected to. Just spitballing ideas
@@Susanoo7108also people complain that the girl fought him off. Yeah context is lost on them. Dude fought an elite squad. Used tons of force and is tired by that point. Don’t say that wouldn’t tire you out they show don’t tell that he’s making more mistakes as it goes on. Spoonfeeding or its bad audience strikes again. Tons of the issues above are explainable. Also people complain no matter what if you kill off characters and they are surprised then say I saw it coming if it’s a melodramatic death goodbye. Chainsawman series says hi 👋 where people die a lot and all you get is the ugh too fast I didn’t care now the author took it to heart and most don’t die and it’s slow and guess what. People complain it’s too slow. Can’t win with modern audiences
if you also think the wire is inferior to bb, sounds a bit like a preference for larger than life bombastic drama, because at that point it's clearly not a question of "better writing"
I don't watch the show, but I follow many creators that do. I find it funny that everything, from bad to good and in between, gets scrutinized for "what it means for the whole".
I saw people like two episodes in being like, "But I don't understand why this or that happened!!! They ruined Star Wars!!!" as if the could not comprehend that a show might reveal things slowly over the course of a season.
To be fair people have been shitting on Star Wars back when the prequels came out. Just listen to Patton Oswalt's hilarious bit on killing George Lucas with a shovel. He pretty much sums up everyone's problems with the prequels.
Here's the thing though: we can fix the prequels, and we have two options to do so. The first one is relatively simple: re-track Jar Jar with an alien voiceover and give him subtitles. That fixes a great many problems. The other option is to re-make the prequels because they are flawed, and here's Disney's excuse: they are told from the point of view of Jar Jar. He wasn't actually there. That's why he gets so many of the details wrong while getting some of the larger story elements right, because those are public knowledge. For example: the reason Anakin looked so young is because Jar Jar doesn't know human biology at all, any more than most humans know Gungan biology. Anakin was a STAR PILOT, not a pod racer. Anakin was part of the crew that gave Qui-Gon and company a ride to Coruscant when Qui-Gon hired the ship at Mos Eisley, just like Obi-Wan would do years later. That's HOW Obi-Wan knew that they could hire a ship! So this time we write the prequels from the POV of Obi-Wan.
Why does Korey rewrite history when it comes to Star Wars? "Fans" have been complaining since the Force Awakens. Are we forgetting the whole "Mary Sue" thing?
So you try to prove him wrong by admitting that people have been saying that Star Wars is "woke" since 2015? They were mad because a GIRL was "better" than Luke Skywalker.
Same. I was ready to jump ship but episode 5 reeled me back in. The show can still be salvaged as good (not great) if they can pull of the next 3 episodes.
It’s a mid act 2 climax did you want them to discuss trade routes. Your supposed to have some style in a story or exciting moment that yeah you can talk about the meaning of life and be deep. They will morun next ep and get your substance since that’s what makes a show good to you. Lol 😂
@@nichescenes Alright then take the Final duel in Revenge of the Sith. It’s supposed to be a dramatic clash between two brothers-in-arms, ending with one being maimed and his humanity burned away, but the scene gets so lost in over-the-top choreography and crazy set pieces that the emotional core is lost. The Substance in the episode is a dull plot and story, the style is in the action. Without an interesting plot, story, or characters, any style is just pointless
fans are complaining about the story but somehow media and most podcasts always bring up topics on racism, homophobia, and misogyny; even though that's not why the show is bad. if you can't defend the show from what its criticized for, then don't play the victim card. gaslighting is such a Disney thing... that mouse is toxic.
To be fair A ton of TH-camr thumbnails start with wok and giant pictures of minorities or women crying and making a face. Especially if they think the female isn’t conventionally attractive. So maybe your TH-cam is just clean. All I see are complaints about that or nitpicks like I can’t see the fighting. Yeah that few seconds that were story related for her to see from her eyes Jedi at their prime fighting is on another level sooooo bad. Tons of the fights you can see they barely talk and all I see are complaints on the dialogue being the worst dialouge in history. Ya gotta admit the hyperbole is nuts. Show isn’t great but it ain’t bobbafet I guess your the few that hates it for being it and genuinely had no agenda to hate Disney sw. I assume you never called a show wok as an insult in your comments if I check 😮
yeah I enjoyed it too, but I also think that's because the action + supporting characters held the spotlight. I'm already a little skeptical of the whole osha / mae switchup. that feels corny to me, and they need to really do something special to make it not come across as contrived and silly.
Technically they are building to something with Thrawn, but it's not really clear which projects are gonna end up connecting with that storyline and which aren't aside from Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and maybe Skeleton Crew.
Nah they're building to ABELOTH, all signs point toward that. Baylan/Anakin/Ahsoka - the NEW Mortis Gods, Son/Father/Daughter. Just watch the CW Mortis arc, then re-watch Ahsoka and you'll see it's all there. The Father wanted Anakin to replace him, the daughter gave her life, her essence to save Ahsoka. Now look all through Ahsoka's own journey that green owl has been following her around, the very same owl that was there when the daughter passed on fully into the force. Anakin has already ascended into a mortis level type of Force Deity, because look carefully, he has no Blue Aura when he is able to manifest in the WBW, where he brings Ahsoka; but then later he appears on Peridea and is back in his Force-Ghost form. He is now going to assume the "Father" role. Look at the giant statue of the Father, where Baylan is standing on, looking out. To the left the daughter's statue is destroyed. To the right the son's statue is present. Baylan is feeling the call of Abeloth. Her return as the o.g. "Mother" is drawing close; and it's going to take ALL of them like never before to face Abeloth. If all of that does tie into the Mando Crossover then it's also going to need Thrawn and all those undead Ancient Dathomirians he's brought into the Galaxy. I'd bet his plans to conquer the Galaxy will be halted, when Abeloth turns up on the scene. It's going to be like a sort of DOFP Enssemble, where Thrawn's forces, his Dathomirian Witches, Bo and her united Mandalorian Army, as well as the Jedi, Luke/Ahsoka are all going to have to face down Abeloth; and somehow banish her into the Maw we saw in the Solo movie. Maybe it could even end up being somekind of epic Celestial battle between the NEW "Trinity of Ones" in Ahsoka/Anakin/Baylan teaming up to ultimately help defeat Abeloth. There will be somekind of great "Device" of importance to aid the Heroes in their battle with Abeloth; that the "Skeleton Crew" will Accidently come across when they basically end up literally "lost in space". From here they will also conveniently bump into Ahsoka and Sabine along with Shin, and end up bringing them back to the main Galaxy, where they will use this device the kids have, to help them; ready for the big "Mando Crossover" movie.
The problem is not the diversity, it's the writing and bad character development. The original trilogy had a great story and characters people care about. Even the prequels while having some issues still had people fans care about and was consistent. The Star Wars of today just doesn't capture that same magic that the first six films had.
Ppl complained about the Emperor coming back in The Rise Of Skywalker. Can we stop saying that people are being racist and sexist as if that’s the majority of the complaints!? It’s not the case. The characters and story have been trash and have been sold on how diverse they are, that’s why ppl have started to not trust these shows when they see every single kind of person in the world.
It's not terrible, it's not great, it's a very mediocre show that is made for young(er) people who like the Prequels and have read the High Republic books. It's not for me, but I like that we finally get some SW outside of the tiny Skywalker bubble.
I’ve been telling my son, who loves Star Wars, for years how the Jedi are boring as characters. What is their character motivation? What do they want as individuals? The answer is nothing, and that’s what makes for boring characters. They can’t, by their definition as Jedi, want anything. Maybe Disney should actually make a series about the Sith. It would be more interesting.
Episode 5, the good news. The action was top notch! Probably the best we've seen in years, movies included. The bad news. Everything else. Like, whose story is it? Is it the story of Mae and Osha? That alone has multiple layers that need to be addressed. Is it the origin of a Sith? Because linking it to Mae and Osha feels like it came out of nowhere. Is it a story of the Jedi's secret cruelty as told through Mae and Osha? No one can tell and the show absolutely REFUSES to let anyone have a clear and direct conversation. Even the flashback episode failed to provide any real answers. The show is using lazy writing to obfuscate the truth. So many conversations start and end with, "Who are you?" - "You know who I am and what you've done!"
Bad writing is where you have characters doing things that are predictable and falling into well-known tropes. The Jedi are always depicted as fodder just to build up the villain, which brings one to question as to why the Sith lost again? This goes back to the prequels where 100 Jedi = 2 Sith and the hamfisted reason as to why the Sith numbers are so low is just dumb. Bad writing is taking a dump on established lore for the sake of recycling an already used storyline.
@@Zikk0_o Well, that's something, at least. Your problem seems to be with the basic power structure of the Star Wars universe (Jedi vs. Sith). But also with any current production that does anything to alter or add to the structure. Cool.
Here's an example of bad writing. The character of Yord. He's supposed to be interesting bc he knows the protagonist since they were kids in the temple together. But he's boring cardboard. He's supposed to be badass, but he's a clown most of the time. The scripted interactions don't build up chemistry. Is his death supposed to make some point? He went out like a chump and honestly I'm just glad that I don't have to watch his painful character anymore.
@@ericepperson8409 Hmm, Yord is never portrayed as a bad ass. He is constantly mocked by Sol's padawan, Jecki. He is a "late bloomer" who tries to cover his insecurities by being a "by-the-book" rule follower. Everything is subjective but I'm not sure you've read this one right.
I find it ridiculous to say Star Wars hasn't had good stories and writing just by what's put live on screen when we got Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor and the High Republic books and OT-era comics being good stuff for the franchise.
Here are some problems You can't kill a jedi with steel or lazer. What are lightsabers? Lazer swords 😑 "An acolyte does not kill with a weapon" proceeds to kill maaaaaaaaaannnny jedi with maaaannnnny weapons. (Knives, poison, lightsaber, the force/ "THREAD"🤦♀️ Smilo ren doesn't take his own advice and has a big mouth. Nobody is practicing what they're preaching.
Y'all touched on it right at the end there. And it's been my biggest concern and probably a lotta other folks. The show poses too many questions and I'm not confident they're gonna answer enough of them, especially if there's only one more episode. But that could be just more Rashomon pastiche and there's actually 7 or 8.
The problem of Star Wars is too many cooks in the kitchen. At least Lucas had an overall idea in mind, even if he was better under constraints. Some artists thrive with limits. I'm one. If I can do "anything," I will do anything, and usually nothing good.
There's definitely a lot of hatred toward Star Wars projects motivated by bigotry, but people were absolutely calling out midichlorians and Palpatine's return en masse, in real time. If you didn't hear them maybe that's because a lot of the people who ignored terrible writing aren't engaging with SW stuff anymore.
I don’t understand why Sol isn’t the only protagonist. He’s way more interesting than either twin. One is a boring plank of wood and the other comes across as a psycho ex girlfriend more than a sister. They don’t contribute much to their own story, which is a huge issue. And yes this is the best episode…which was a low bar to cross and they barely crossed it by having actual consequences and…you know, stuff happening
Yeah i cant get behind the "now its a problem because women and POC"...there has always been both at the forefront of star wars from the beginning george himeself even said leia and padme are the central heroes..they are the ones dragging the know it all and know nothing male characters through the movie while being strong powerful leaders in their own right.
Mae and OSHA are the least interesting thing in the show. I don't care about them at all !! OSHA has spent 1/2 the show unconscious!! Mae doesn't know what she wants to do!!
The Acolyte is the worst part of the Acolyte! What shows invest screen-time in characters that have no arc and that they clearly don’t care about. I gave it a chance 5 episodes but I can’t and don’t desire to watch anymore!
On this series, i pity the show runner. You do some new things? ( kung fu ) complaints. You lean on old _baseline_ stuff fans always say they want?( lightsabers ), complaining. Pull out og expanded uni detail ( the armor that shorts out sabers )…& you still get complaints 🤷🏿♂️ ( “he has too much, it’s a rare substance”!) iirc, Disney put out a statement shortly after acquiring the ip, “ no one alive now, will see the last star wars”. there is no end game to it all. …Some of y’all need to just bring out that VHS player. & stop paying attention to the new.
Finally Finally FINALLY, someone acknowledges it... when you put DEI or your agenda before the story... it's not always great media. It's writing WRITING writing. No issues with the actors, sometimes even their performance... it's the writing of those characters that fall in quality.
I'm not necessary a star wars fan but Can we stop this narrative that a show or movie is bad because of diversity, people complaining about diversity is a minor issue that i hardly see, they don't make up a majority of the fan base. No one complained about Finn or Mace windu. No one complained about anakin's love interest, Ashoka, Assajj, leia etc Shoot the reason why fans dislike rey wasn't because she's a woman it was the way she was written. Star wars has always been diverse it's the way how they pander by being diverse or have terrible writing. They don't make it authentic or natural.
The fight scenes were cool. The end where the evil twin went with Squidward was a nice hook for the next episode. The middle where the twins were confronting each other was super boring and made my interest in the episode nose dive. That’s the aspect of the show dragging it down the most IMO.
When i disagree with Korey i do it respectfully, and this is one of those times. Prequels were criticized a lot. Also when there was a black character (mace windu) he was praises a lot especially for being black so miss me with that.
I don’t hate the Acolyte. I don’t like the Acolyte. I just don’t care about the Acolyte. Thing is, I’m pretty sure Disney doesn’t either. Watched the first three episodes, and bowed out. Based on what I’ve seen, would wager the Acolyte was greenlit simply to keep the IP relevant and to boost subs for +Disney. Aside from that, I don’t think Disney cared enough to put any real effort into this series and it shows.
Its kind of ridiculous how korey needs to be fed everything through exposition or else he doesn’t know what is happening. The lightsabers were shorting out because the helmet was made out of a material that can shatter and disrupt a lightsaber beam. Its a great example of show not telling and yet he complains about the over use of exposition in other media but he clearly needs it. I think im also still a little salty about i saw the tv glow lol
So I read up on cortosis and it turns out that it has a high energy absorption rate, which is why the lightsaber eventually turns back on. And y'know, okay, I guess that's okay. I'm not as mad about it as I was about the Ysalamiri. But the net result is that it makes a lightsaber less special.
@@bustedmusketproductions357 I'm not going to say it's ruined lightsabers for me. They're cool and they probably always will be. But the more things that they're ineffective against the more they lose their special place. And what kaiju had a lightsaber-proof shell? I don't think I've seen that. Or was that in a book?
@13:36 Whoa whoa whoa slow your hi/mighty roll Korey..People enjoyed The Force Awakens,even though it had it's issues, it still crossed $2B..But after I PAID money to see The Last Jedi, I came out of that theater feeling robbed and violated like a S/A victim!!And if it had anything to do with race,it was because of how badly they treated John Boyega's character arc..Disney Star Wars,with the exception of Rogue One,Andor,season 1&2 of The Mandalorian,The Bad Batch,Tales of the Jedi,and a few episodes of different shows sprinkled here and there,has had a TON of problems waaay before the studio turned something as simple as having different actors and actresses into a mission statement..You know,you can turn that sermon voice down now.
The thing I have a problem with the this fanbase is that they act like this is a well written franchise to begin with. Like there’s one thing to want improvement and another to hold everything new to a standard the franchise has been by comparing it to your nostalgia for the originals and prequels.
The original movie's dialogue was terrible and has inconsistent pacing, but everything else about it was great. Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were well written. In the prequels, Lucas had total control and the writing tanked. After Disney took over, the writing has been wildly inconsistent. The sequel movies were terrible. Andor is great. Mandalorian went from good to bad. The cartoon series all progressed to ending with great writing. The rest of the shows have been mediocre.
Who the fuck had nostalgia for the prequels? Still still admit they were bad but better than the Disney era. I think you’re just a Disney shill. Plus people have been nice to the few rare times Disney Star Wars didn’t suck. Rogue One is the only good movie Disney put out and fans loved Andor and the first two seasons of Mandalorian but the rest of its sucks
Why didn't Master Sol arrest Qimir in the potion shop He clearly made poison for the Jedi. clearly he is complicit. An Accomplice... he should have been brought in Stand trial in Curosant
Ep 5 did have some dope action but not sure if it can salvage the rest of the show...Wasnt sure about the unarmed MMA style, that was so out of place, but the light saber stuff was cool!!
It impresses me that stars wars still exists. Its all just either boring or mid. Anything kinda slightly good is just from past ideas or taken from somewhere else. Let it die already. Star wars is just the property rookie writers, actors and producers get a chance to make an over produced show thats based on what they think star wars is.
I know exactly what he means about wishing he could enjoy the whole thing. This is why I loved Mandalorian, and avoided watching this. I've noticed that once creators start focusing on certain aspects of identity politics in shows, the equality of the story become the last thing they are concerned with.
If the show was about the main "sith" hunting down jedi I feel like this would work way better. They put way too much of the heavy lifting on the weakest element: the twins. The sad part is this show would have worked as a jedi police procedural watching the jedi hunting a serial killer. Less cringe wannabe Kung fu theater and more Seven.
11:32 the end game is basically tell a story on the dark side of the force of master and students how some times the Jedi while alot took children from their families possibly mind trick but that part is a lie 😊
I haven't watched any Star Wars, since the Last Jedi. Which I have mixed feelings about. I like the Game of Thrones idea. Instead of Rey creating a new Jedi order. I like the idea of going back to the premise of Phantom Menace as much as I hate the prequels. Instead of an already established enemy like the Disney Trilogy did. They should focus on creating a galactic empire with hints of a new enemy. Then if Rey builds a new Jedi council. There will be a reason for it. There could even be hints of a tendency for life to repeat itself in ways, which fits with Star Wars mythology(Joseph Campbell). Not just more nostalgia for nostalgia sake. But fans tend to want nostalgia...
I have to stop watching DT takes on Star Wars, they are the worst takes on when it comes that franchise. After listening to 19 minutes of this vid I still don't know what their issues are with The Acolyte. They said they don't care about the bigger picture but why? What is it about the bigger picture that you don't care about or that they are not bringing anything to it? These are bunch vague complaints that doesn't really add much to anything.
They're stuck in the middle of trying to make jokes, keeping the SW haters around to keep the views up and making a real criticism of the show they're not paying close enough attention to. When one host is not even watching the show being analyzed, you're not going to get anything useful from that conversation.
Star Wars has never been consistent with quality. Sometimes we get something amazing like Andor then maybe we get something bad like Boba Fett. Or just look at the prequel movies they were never consistent in quality.
You know, my personal opinion is of it. Is this so far? Yeah, I'm going to say it has been probably the best episode and a show that is nothing but glorify fanfiction made by a woman that they basically had no clue what they were walking into who's only street cred was saying. Oh, yeah. I like Star Wars and couldn't even tell you that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were the same person.
The show would be so much better if it was about the conflict between Sol and Qimir. Osha and Mae are the worst characters on this show because their characters are so inconsistent.
You can't convince me the ridiculously hard push for diversity isn't a problem when the showrunners themselves brag about producing "the gayest Star Wars addition ever."
When the same damn excuse of blaming racists or anti-woke crowd gets thrown around for every modern era show, maybe , just maybe the product is bad. I mean, just think about how many MCU, Star Wars, cartoons, and reboot conversations are dominated by people trying to defend them. Nobody has to defend BB, The Wire, Sopranos, or The Shield. Modern entertainment is devoid of ideas and innovation. Everything is politicized to level 100, and writers spend more time uprooting what people loved for the sake of agenda.
I love Double Toasted and Korey, but I can't help but disagree with him over this. Maybe it's my bias as a lifelong Star Wars fan, but it feels like Disney and Kathleen Kennedy legitimately don't understand Star Wars. Even George Lucas (who I despise) has come out and said that he's not 100% sold on the direction that Lucasfilm and Star Wars have taken under the Disney banner. A fat Jedi? Really? *Really?* This show pushes all the wrong buttons with me. It contradicts itself; the writing's more akin to fan-fiction than anything else, the acting is wooden and dispassionate, and they introduce characters just to kill them off the next episode seemingly...
I don't know what woke means to other people but to me it does mean bad writing. Specifically bad writing cause by one of or both of these things. 1 Gathering one of each demographic like the bachelor version of noah's arc. Show runners these days pitch these things like that makes the story good but it has nothing to do with story. 2 prioritizing that each demographic is portrayed in a positive light. This can lobotomize a character of both flaws and quirks until until a bunch of unbuttered toast is all that's left. It feels very after school special. A proper artist can and will come up with a full, deep, cast of characters built of character traits, motivations and back stories without ever toughing a physical description. Personally I think the suits have pushed out the artists cause a good artist could create a proper parable but a corporation sure can't. All they can do is distill morality down to a pie chart and rubber stamp it with THIS IS ART at the top. A lot of these cubical cryptids even think they are edutaining the world.
“DAMN Korey, the Acolyte can’t be good, it can’t be bad; what do you want from it!?”
Nah I kid, I’m sure you have a valid take.
Stop playing both sides of the fence. PPL absolutely complained about the prequel and sequel writing.
I'm ngl episode 2 has the lore drops to be an incredible movie but the writing is unwatchable, if anything I would like a thorough, live-action clone wars retelling full politics game of thrones style buy the fan boys would burn disney to the ground
The prequel revisionism is a sight to behold. I'm not a fan of the sequels like so many of us but to pretend like a lot of the stuff that Disney has been giving us hasn't been leaps and bounds better than the prequels is laughable. It feels like a lot of the OG Star Wars fans are chasing a first high that they will never get again.
Is everyone in this comment section illiterate ?
@@Darkwarlord1533 There is no revisionism, people who grew up with the prequels have always loved them, only the older Star Wars fans hated them, most people admit they're not the best written or acted but they offer deep world building Disney has not once been able to match, so many factions, Star systems and concepts were introduced seamlessly into the universe, everyone complains about the midiclorians but that's just one of the many things that were introduced.
@@tedzagaro Are you?
Wtf is Korey talking about?! He harping on how the writing in star wars hasnt been criticized until now and its because fans were giving a pass to previous movies because the characters were white? That is complete BS
yeah, he must've missed how it was when the prequels came out. They crucified Lucas and the prequels. Hell, Korey still does it to this day lol
@@majorharris2335He never said that. He’s simply saying that today, these people that are basically are louder than the people aren’t. Plenty of people who are really into the prequels are louder after the sequels are out.
@@thefirstbourne149 That doesn't prove the reason they don't like Disney Star Wars is because of minority casting though, Corey himself shits on the sequels in the same breath ffs.
This is why I stopped watching Korey and the DT shows a while back, because his takes were just so ridiculous and uninformed. He keeps thinking it's "white people" all the time, rejecting "woke ideology". YET, Korey himself is not even aware of who "Larry Fink" is and the sheer LIES of woke and DEI doctrine. None of it is genuine about "Diversity"; I told him this a while back, that he should have realized this at the point of the Little Mermaid remake/live-action; but sadly he's just clueless.
And Korey doesn't even understand Starwars fans period.
@@thefirstbourne149 That's cause the ones who are quiet are LAX, man those peoples just STAY docile lol. Whereas Passionate Starwars fans will ALWAYS voice their opinions. Now I don't agree with the ones who can't articulate themselves well, and end up shouting insults and just fighting everyone else. Also the Prequel haters did not help anything, and funny enough they soon changed their tone when the sequels came along, and they found those movies way worse.
But for the most part the passionate fans who truly care about starwars, love it enough that they WILL call out BAD WRITING and INCONSISTENCY when it is clearly evident; which was what they did with the Sequels, with BOBF, with Kenobi especially and now with this here Acolyte.
I think if you and Korey were to actually pay attention to the "Starwars TH-camrs" on here, voicing their honest OPs, like SWT, or Thor Skywalker, EBN. You would gain a real solid understanding of how Most Starwars fans feels.
BUT because Korey only pays attention to people on Twitter, he's ends up totally missunderstanding, and completely losing the plot on how the *Starwars Fandom* TRULY FEEL.
Episode 5 was just Febreze sprayed on top of poop. It had some cool action, but it doesn't fix the poor writing.
The ideas are great . The execution and writing are terrible.
@@robertgrier8943 My thoughts exactly. The first moment a character spoke in the first episode, the prequels completely came to mind. I was like...Oh no!
@@MarcOfAnArtist-rg1qf It's set 100 years before the prequels. The Jedi are in their absolute prime. So yes, it makes sense that they would talk how they did in the prequels. Sorry for you.
Nah I like this show. Qirmir is the best villian we've had since palpatine.
Why do haters always have to bring fecal matter into a conversation?
Star Wars doesn’t need a bigger picture it’s not the MCU
It does if you're going to make 3 shows a years with it. Keyword if.
@@TerminalsanityThose shows shouldn’t connect. They should be its own thing. I shouldn’t have to watch Book of Bobba Fett to understand Mandalorian
It’s eight episodes, not six, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no way they’ll be able to close out this mystery box of a series in a satisfying fashion.
Idk why akorey is so caught up on 6 episodes. If the show is good and I mean good it can have 20 episodes in a season and imma watch it could be 12, 13, hell ill do 10. But 6? Right when I'm getting into it it's over. Then take forever making the next season
This show should be 6 episodes because they clearly don’t have enough story for 8. This is the reason why the episodes are so short.
Naw. Come on, Korey.
People lost their Sh*t about midicholorians! TLJ was dog-walked all over town. The Rise of Skywalker was called trash.
Hell, Andor has lesbian main characters, and no one cares. That show is good, and The Acolyte is the worst Star Wars show ever written. It's not because people of color or different sexuality are in it.
The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker are pure trash
@@beezusHrist Not compared to Acolyte.
@@shinndig1293 no, they're even worse lol
@@beezusHristNo brainless child.
He's ALWAYS seeing stuff that's not there, why i stopped watching his shows
Sol: "Why I smell burn'd hair?"😏
he 100% knows its the other twin 😅
Vampires
"its good but its also bad"
Isnt that what star wars is anyway? People today like to pretend the prequels are genius, but you cant pretend they arent hot garbage in story and pacing
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George Lucas has a great vision.....but his writing skills are just meh, at worst their cringe
Preach!! I don’t get why everyone is like this is the worse Star Wars. There’s a Ewok Christmas Special. Is Acolyte the best? Far from it. Is it the worse? By no means is it even close. Boba Fett was far worse ans Mandalorian Season 3. I had a hard time watching Obi Wan series.
@@TabathaTMartin the best star wars movie was the one he had the least say in it
Exactly, I’m eating all of this up and animated stuff like visions, tales of the empire/tales of the Jedi. People claim to love the lore but they don’t watch those last two I said, or rebels or clone wars. It’s always been a mixed bag. Mfs want Star Wars to be Dune pt 2 so bad
Is it just me or do a lot of these Disney series just follow the same pattern as far as the discourse goes?
Episodes 1&2: It's got some interesting ideas, some interesting cinematography, shows us a different side of the world. And like a small contingent of the fanbase is mad because there's POC in it.
Episodes 3-5: Hype's subsided, just quiet murmurings and theories about where it's all going, oh shit this episode had a good cliffhanger, maybe a gratuitous cameo. Which, none of that speaks to the show's quality, it's just intrigue and lore.
Episode 6: Sudden silence. Most fans are dissatisfied, the ones who said it was woke crap without specificity as to its problems were like "see I told you".
A real middling cliffhanger because Disney hasn't decided if this is a full series, a miniseries, or an eight hour movie.
Every time.
Hah! Aside from the fan outage, I feel that way about a lot of Netflix shows as well.
The big problem with this show is how you can tell there was no pushbacks in the writing room, pivitol moments that feel dull or dragging is so present if it's not action. Ideas and concepts thrown in without thought of the current situation like May flip flopping turning herself in or killing the jedi, dialogue that feels forced to not correlate to what the character said 5 mins ago to forward plot, or have this suspense with the jedi that feels like it won't go anywhere because of the star wars timeline
Lol ofcourse there were no pushbacks in the writing room. IF the Lucasfilm Story Group and Pablo wouldn't push back on Rian and JJ, making sure their ideas and overall story made sense and didn't contradict established lore; there's no way that same story group would ever push back against a member of the rainbow community.
I’ve been hearing this conversation about the idea around “What does it lead to?” or “What is the big picture?” And I have to say as a Star Wars fan myself I don’t quite understand why we have to ask those questions. This franchise for the past 40 years has never really focused on the idea of some “big picture” thing or always leading us to something. No matter if it’s the movies, the shows, the books/comics or the videos, Star Wars I think has grown so much because it’s a world that can expand itself through just pure lore and interesting storytelling of all different kinds of characters and events. You don’t always need everything to connect in which I can understand for some people is a problem with this franchise like this because they feel like everything connects. I just don’t think that’s the way we have to think about it.
Plus they complain if it did Lead somewhere. Redlettermedia said it best in their review. The show isn’t bad or great but people want you to think anything not perfect is trash. They said all the fans want something different. They just need to reboot but they sorta did that and people complained they got rid of some lore so they placed some back in. Disney might need to just stop listening to fans and just make stories they like some one will find it fun while TH-camrs rake in the hate money.
@@nichescenes listen man you’re not wrong at all because at the end of the day no matter what Disney does with this franchise an IP there are people out there who are just going to brand themselves off, hating it and thinking everything they put out is garbage or fanfiction. I am Somebody who personally believes that the acolyte is underwhelming decent at best and this last episode boosted it up a lot. But I have not for one second thought about going out of my way to ruin that for others by grifting my way through hating on it for the sake of the algorithm prioritizing me. There are definitely things that Star Wars needs to fix right now and I’d happily go into detail on them, but I just thought that this conversation between Korey and them was very misplaced.
I think maybe he means the messy mystery box way inwhich it is written, taking too long to really get going and feel like it's leading somewhere. "it’s a world that can expand itself through just pure lore and interesting storytelling" Which is EXACTLY what those in the storygroup at Kathy's Lucasfilm seem to keep avoiding.
Remember what she said? "We have NO BOOKS, NO COMICS, NO SOURCE MATERIAL. Nothing except talented storytellers who are looking for what the next iteration will be."
Kennedy said that, which shows us that they actively AVOID the LORE like it don't exist, and instead keep working to recontextuatize it, or just straight out Retcon aspects of the lore. Like what they've done with Ki Adi mundi appearing in this show. When they KNEW FULL WELL they could have just used someone like Yaddle, who would be alive during this time.
@@RaikenXion if they avoid lore then why is it all over their shows and games? Not a very smart thing to say if you’ve seen this stuff. Also if you care that much about Mundi’s birthday (which by the way Lucas doesn’t even consider real) of all things I can’t imagine what else you think is a big deal. Lore has been getting changed around purposely since Star Wars was a thing. Doesn’t matter if it’s Lucas doing it, Filoni, Headland or whoever else.
@@OrionInSpace Not to the drastic measure that Disney/Lucasfilm have been changing it. Also, regardless whether Lucas himself didn't care much about exactly how old Ki-Adi Mundi was, YOU KNOW they could have included Yaddle instead! They know what they were doing bringing Mundi into this, watch the interview Leslie Headland has that guilty laugh; this is pure spite and done to antagonize us fans.
The LORE they tweak and change to HOW THEY WANT!! E.g. Filoni was VERY happy to bring the legendary "Thrawn" into "Disney Starwars" (and bastardize writing him in the process) yet not Filoni nor Kennedy wanted to bring in MARA JADE huh!? Yeah.
Disney even change their OWN CANON, when it suits them, they can't even keep that consistent. Look at young Kanan in BB compared to the comics. Or Ashoka and her whole backstory. Cobb Vanth from the "Aftermath" stories, his backstory was slightly changed up for him appearing in the Mandalorian.
But yet Grogu being taken by Luke at the end of Season 2 Mando, and becoming his FIRST EVER STUDENT he trained, oh Kennedy absolutely could NOT let that build any further, and so she blocked it and got the Disney bosses to order Favreau to have Grogu reuinted back with Din ASAP in Boba's book. They're just a bunch of hypocrites.
It’s superficial af. Think too hard about it and it frustrates you. It doesn’t have to lead anywhere big picture, imo, but nothing feels like it’s leading anywhere small picture as well. I’d swear this entire thing is a troll job
I think the reason why so many people are complaining about the writing of current SW is due to the recent amount of shows having consistent issues in that area (not including Andor).
And there are definitely glimpses of quality or good ideas for some of the recent SW shows, but it is all about execution and that's where they fail. With The Acolyte the premise is interesting on paper but the way it's playing out so far has left me feeling apathetic because it feels devoid of logic, depth and intrigue.
And hey if you like it more power to you but this isn't it.
Writing has never been a strong feature of the SW franchise. The prequel movies featured snappy dialogue such as, "I hate sand."
Anyone dinging this show for "bad writing" without giving an example is probably using that as an excuse.
@@hoos3014 The original trilogy was largely well written. The first movie had terrible dialogue and some pacing issues, but ESB and RotJ are well written. The prequels were poorly written. The sequels are just bad from a writing perspective which mostly starts with there was no consistent narrative and just falls down a dark pit from there. Andor is excellently written. Mandalorian has some good writing until the last season. Some of the best Star Wars writing actually comes out of the cartoon serires with the last seasons of the Clone Wars and Rebels. To say all Star Wars is bad writing is just as lazy an argument as saying the Acolyte is trash bc of wokeness.
Korey is trying to agree with the criticisms of the “right wing bigots” and gaslighting them at the same time. And as a black liberal myself, he’s on some BS.
The people denouncing Star Wars for being “woke” have been doing it since the release of “The Last Jedi” over the horrendous portrayal of Luke Skywalker’s character. This didn’t start with the Disney+ shows. The Disney+ shows are just forcing left-leaning critics to begrudgingly admit that the “racists and bigots” actually have a point.
Episode 5 was good in terms of the action, but it still suffers with issues in the writing.
Yes especially going from tge cliffhanger in ep 4
Mae's motivations kept changing every 10 minutes, it made no sense
Mae's motivations did not change. Her priorities are 1) Survival and 2) Reunification with Osha. All of her actions can be understood in that framework.
But the previous episode she literally said she was going to hand herself in to the jedi. And as soona as she was in handcuffs she wanted to kill the jedi. And as soon as she reunited with osha she don't tell her the truth and knocks her out and leaves her to die 🤷 @@hoos3014
@@hoos3014I sware people’s favorite word is bad writing. It ends all debate as if such a statement is objective then when asked name said bad writing it’s a bunch of nitpicky stuff you can find in even breaking bad or it’s them needing to be told not shown everything. Just say the tone and feel of the show isn’t for you. I know the show isn’t great but people acting like it’s bobfet bad are clowns. Like your drinking the TH-cam hate coolaid. Korey hating Star Wars ain’t new he didn’t love andor either nothing will get him back. He’s also more into one off stuff not ongoing forever stories. As a critic he gets bored east by not seeing things that are new but most stories to mass appeal will feel a bit safe. This ep wasn’t super safe and people complained. We’ve been watching for a total of about 1 or 2 episode premier and people complain the story isn’t nearly done. It’s obvious they wanted several seasons. So yeah it’s gonna be a slower burn but it’s not the worst show in existence like people are saying. Expectations through the roof. I saw angry Joe start a review crying that people shouldn’t be happy it’s still bad. Real low bias way to start a review. - sarcasm. People love that Disney hate bandwagon money but at some point hating everything gets exhausting. Kicking a puppy can only bring so much joy to miserable people.
Better Call Saul has consistent quality from the start, but does start off slow. The payoff is so worth it though.
It starts off "slow" because fans go into it thinking it's Breaking Bad 2.
@kurtpeterson4035 fair and they also need to build up the characters around Saul.
The “slow” complaint is always so funny to me, they need to establish the characters so you care about them later, BB did the same thing.
@@SupersnowmoonVODsthere needs to be balance and both BB and Better Call Saul did it so well
@@SupersnowmoonVODs Breaking Bad had some crazy stuff happening from the first episode.
The biggest problem is Lucas Film doesn’t think there is one.
AND their own antagonistic relationship with the FANS
The fight was good but then you think about things like
Wait where was Sol
Why can Mae kill Jedi masters but loses to a Padawan
Why can that Padawan hold her own against the sith
That neck twist went hard tho no notes on that one 😂
Not defending the show but Mae doesn’t best any of the Jedi in combat. One is killed because she saved someone, leaving her exposed. The other drinks the poison that she gives him. She didn’t beat any of those Jedi in battle. She was bested by every Jedi she fought. There are problems with the show but I don’t think that specifically is a plot hole.
Didn't Obi-Wan win his first fight against Maul as a Padawan?
@@KrolusMaul was an apprentice too. Also Obi-Wan was trained since childhood under the Jedi order. Not really a valid comparison.
Every Star Wars property needs to be mature like Andor I don’t care what anyone says
The main target still will be twelve years old.
andors to lowest watched show
People say this or that they want good writing but when they we get it no one watches it. Then praise the prequels then get mad when they give you something like the prequels there’s no winning with this fanbase
@@mikeynike81 That was because Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan sucked so most audiences gave up on Disney+ Star Wars. People didn’t want to give Andor a chance.
I think the Mandalorian Seasons 1&2 had a near perfect Balance. Plenty of serious toned scenes, and violence when Mando gets in danger and is fighting villains and protecting the child. Then some nice, harmless scenes of weird creatures, Jawas and the like. Plenty of action, good consistency, cool stories. Solid set pieces, god balanced use of the volume, interesting and compelling characters.
Andor needs MORE ALIENS I don't care if Tony Gilroy thinks they're stupid! And it needs to have actual Starwars sounding music. I don't care bout the Acolyte and it's writing is a sheer mess, but I did notice it has a good soundtrack, music that actually sounds like *Star Wars*. Andor sounded more like that Foundation show.
The problem I personally have with the acolyte, not being a star wars fan boy, just a General casual Viewer is that the story is poorly written and inconsistent. Jedi masters dying haphazardly forgetting they have special abilities at pivotal fight sequences simply because the plot restricts them and wouldn't be convenient for the villains to defeat them as easily. All these Jedi's deaths doesn't seem earned nor is there a build up appropriately showing and convincing us the villains truly are formidable. Its annoying hearing dialogue say blades nor lasers can't defeat a jedi and literally the following episodes blades and lasers defeat jedi. It seems like the story is being forced instead of creating real characters letting the plot organically happen according to their motives and personalities. Its simply not compelling nor believable even when you try to suspend disbelief.
Yeah, I think the show and Disney should do better for casual fans like yourself. Bc I feel like people who love the lore and know about the Jedi and their faults can understand and interpret issues you may have as a casual fan. We can fill in the blanks but maybe that’s not the way to write these shows
But the show does say that the Stranger gets into their head when fighting and doesn't follow the rules or flow of combat that the JEDI follow in battle. They do not look like they are used to fighting people like the Stranger, or even other force users.
The dialogue is clunky and the writing sometimes has me a bit confused, but the show is fine. It's not had enough to warrant the vitriol it's getting. If anything, it's getting people like me, who would've never watched it in the first place, to check it out to see what's kicking up such a storm.
@@Susanoo7108 ok, but he was fighting like 5 Jedi at once, you'll have me believe he's infiltrating all their minds at once? Even when they try to explain things the dialogue makes you scratch your head harder. I don't care much for the show it just has too many plotholes and oversights for my liking.
@jeffderice753 maybe not when he's fighting multiple at once, but he was using the environment to his advantage to avoid being overwhelmed.
Although, it's also possible he affected the force connection of the jedi somehow, a bit like how Palpatine was able to take down so many Jedi in episode 3. Maybe that's what was meant Yord meant by getting into your head, not by targeting you, but the force you're connected to. Just spitballing ideas
@@Susanoo7108also people complain that the girl fought him off. Yeah context is lost on them. Dude fought an elite squad. Used tons of force and is tired by that point. Don’t say that wouldn’t tire you out they show don’t tell that he’s making more mistakes as it goes on. Spoonfeeding or its bad audience strikes again. Tons of the issues above are explainable. Also people complain no matter what if you kill off characters and they are surprised then say I saw it coming if it’s a melodramatic death goodbye. Chainsawman series says hi 👋 where people die a lot and all you get is the ugh too fast I didn’t care now the author took it to heart and most don’t die and it’s slow and guess what. People complain it’s too slow. Can’t win with modern audiences
I am into this show. The mystery is, what did the Jedi do? I will be seeing this through.
If you're expecting everything to be Breaking Bad level, you're never going to enjoy any show. BB is in a league of its own.
Andor is competitive with BB or primetime HBO series
@@xtrafunk I like Andor, but it's nowhere near BB levels of writing.
@@JB-sc1tg agree to disagree. also, the wire > bb as well.
@xtrafunk The Wire is definitely not better but okay. Agree to disagree
if you also think the wire is inferior to bb, sounds a bit like a preference for larger than life bombastic drama, because at that point it's clearly not a question of "better writing"
I don't watch the show, but I follow many creators that do. I find it funny that everything, from bad to good and in between, gets scrutinized for "what it means for the whole".
I saw people like two episodes in being like, "But I don't understand why this or that happened!!! They ruined Star Wars!!!" as if the could not comprehend that a show might reveal things slowly over the course of a season.
To be fair people have been shitting on Star Wars back when the prequels came out. Just listen to Patton Oswalt's hilarious bit on killing George Lucas with a shovel. He pretty much sums up everyone's problems with the prequels.
Here's the thing though: we can fix the prequels, and we have two options to do so. The first one is relatively simple: re-track Jar Jar with an alien voiceover and give him subtitles. That fixes a great many problems.
The other option is to re-make the prequels because they are flawed, and here's Disney's excuse: they are told from the point of view of Jar Jar. He wasn't actually there. That's why he gets so many of the details wrong while getting some of the larger story elements right, because those are public knowledge. For example: the reason Anakin looked so young is because Jar Jar doesn't know human biology at all, any more than most humans know Gungan biology. Anakin was a STAR PILOT, not a pod racer. Anakin was part of the crew that gave Qui-Gon and company a ride to Coruscant when Qui-Gon hired the ship at Mos Eisley, just like Obi-Wan would do years later. That's HOW Obi-Wan knew that they could hire a ship!
So this time we write the prequels from the POV of Obi-Wan.
Why does Korey rewrite history when it comes to Star Wars? "Fans" have been complaining since the Force Awakens. Are we forgetting the whole "Mary Sue" thing?
So you try to prove him wrong by admitting that people have been saying that Star Wars is "woke" since 2015? They were mad because a GIRL was "better" than Luke Skywalker.
@@BobBill-g1q did you even watch the video? He seems to think these complaints only NOW started popping up cause of the Acolyte
If the next 3 episodes are good I’ll change my mind on the show
Same. I was ready to jump ship but episode 5 reeled me back in. The show can still be salvaged as good (not great) if they can pull of the next 3 episodes.
Takes alot for me to forgive "the power of many"
I’m not even going to bother watching anymore, the show is a waste of time.
Half of a series being saved by action is not gonna redeem the season lilbro
@@postwalmartluffysaved revenge of the sith!🤔
Lucas turned the Jedi into boring heroes. That's why Anakin was so interesting, he was the exception and a fallen Jedi.
So pretty the episode is style over any substance.....yeah kind of what i was expecting after the disney trilogy
It’s a mid act 2 climax did you want them to discuss trade routes. Your supposed to have some style in a story or exciting moment that yeah you can talk about the meaning of life and be deep. They will morun next ep and get your substance since that’s what makes a show good to you. Lol 😂
@@nichescenes Alright then take the Final duel in Revenge of the Sith. It’s supposed to be a dramatic clash between two brothers-in-arms, ending with one being maimed and his humanity burned away, but the scene gets so lost in over-the-top choreography and crazy set pieces that the emotional core is lost.
The Substance in the episode is a dull plot and story, the style is in the action. Without an interesting plot, story, or characters, any style is just pointless
fans are complaining about the story but somehow media and most podcasts always bring up topics on racism, homophobia, and misogyny; even though that's not why the show is bad. if you can't defend the show from what its criticized for, then don't play the victim card. gaslighting is such a Disney thing... that mouse is toxic.
It's for the algorithm. Negative discourse sells. 😂
To be fair A ton of TH-camr thumbnails start with wok and giant pictures of minorities or women crying and making a face. Especially if they think the female isn’t conventionally attractive. So maybe your TH-cam is just clean. All I see are complaints about that or nitpicks like I can’t see the fighting. Yeah that few seconds that were story related for her to see from her eyes Jedi at their prime fighting is on another level sooooo bad. Tons of the fights you can see they barely talk and all I see are complaints on the dialogue being the worst dialouge in history. Ya gotta admit the hyperbole is nuts. Show isn’t great but it ain’t bobbafet I guess your the few that hates it for being it and genuinely had no agenda to hate Disney sw. I assume you never called a show wok as an insult in your comments if I check 😮
yeah I enjoyed it too, but I also think that's because the action + supporting characters held the spotlight. I'm already a little skeptical of the whole osha / mae switchup. that feels corny to me, and they need to really do something special to make it not come across as contrived and silly.
Technically they are building to something with Thrawn, but it's not really clear which projects are gonna end up connecting with that storyline and which aren't aside from Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and maybe Skeleton Crew.
Nah they're building to ABELOTH, all signs point toward that. Baylan/Anakin/Ahsoka - the NEW Mortis Gods, Son/Father/Daughter. Just watch the CW Mortis arc, then re-watch Ahsoka and you'll see it's all there. The Father wanted Anakin to replace him, the daughter gave her life, her essence to save Ahsoka. Now look all through Ahsoka's own journey that green owl has been following her around, the very same owl that was there when the daughter passed on fully into the force.
Anakin has already ascended into a mortis level type of Force Deity, because look carefully, he has no Blue Aura when he is able to manifest in the WBW, where he brings Ahsoka; but then later he appears on Peridea and is back in his Force-Ghost form. He is now going to assume the "Father" role.
Look at the giant statue of the Father, where Baylan is standing on, looking out. To the left the daughter's statue is destroyed. To the right the son's statue is present. Baylan is feeling the call of Abeloth. Her return as the o.g. "Mother" is drawing close; and it's going to take ALL of them like never before to face Abeloth.
If all of that does tie into the Mando Crossover then it's also going to need Thrawn and all those undead Ancient Dathomirians he's brought into the Galaxy. I'd bet his plans to conquer the Galaxy will be halted, when Abeloth turns up on the scene. It's going to be like a sort of DOFP Enssemble, where Thrawn's forces, his Dathomirian Witches, Bo and her united Mandalorian Army, as well as the Jedi, Luke/Ahsoka are all going to have to face down Abeloth; and somehow banish her into the Maw we saw in the Solo movie.
Maybe it could even end up being somekind of epic Celestial battle between the NEW "Trinity of Ones" in Ahsoka/Anakin/Baylan teaming up to ultimately help defeat Abeloth. There will be somekind of great "Device" of importance to aid the Heroes in their battle with Abeloth; that the "Skeleton Crew" will Accidently come across when they basically end up literally "lost in space".
From here they will also conveniently bump into Ahsoka and Sabine along with Shin, and end up bringing them back to the main Galaxy, where they will use this device the kids have, to help them; ready for the big "Mando Crossover" movie.
The problem is not the diversity, it's the writing and bad character development. The original trilogy had a great story and characters people care about. Even the prequels while having some issues still had people fans care about and was consistent. The Star Wars of today just doesn't capture that same magic that the first six films had.
I like the show. Star Wars features a huge galaxy spanning thousands of years. It's not going to be connected like Marvel.
Ppl complained about the Emperor coming back in The Rise Of Skywalker. Can we stop saying that people are being racist and sexist as if that’s the majority of the complaints!? It’s not the case. The characters and story have been trash and have been sold on how diverse they are, that’s why ppl have started to not trust these shows when they see every single kind of person in the world.
Play Jedi Survivor
I think this was top two best choreographed light saber dual in all of Star Wars history.
Fight me
A 3 part ova style series with a good budget, character and plot would do numbers.
It's not terrible, it's not great, it's a very mediocre show that is made for young(er) people who like the Prequels and have read the High Republic books.
It's not for me, but I like that we finally get some SW outside of the tiny Skywalker bubble.
Yea it hurts even more because you damn know this was the peak and it’s not gonna get any better. We can only pray they don’t alter it further 😂😂😂
Best lightsaber action I've seen since forever.
I’ve been telling my son, who loves Star Wars, for years how the Jedi are boring as characters. What is their character motivation? What do they want as individuals? The answer is nothing, and that’s what makes for boring characters. They can’t, by their definition as Jedi, want anything. Maybe Disney should actually make a series about the Sith. It would be more interesting.
My dumbass thought Thts wat this was gonna be wen it was announced
Episode 5, the good news. The action was top notch! Probably the best we've seen in years, movies included. The bad news. Everything else. Like, whose story is it? Is it the story of Mae and Osha? That alone has multiple layers that need to be addressed. Is it the origin of a Sith? Because linking it to Mae and Osha feels like it came out of nowhere. Is it a story of the Jedi's secret cruelty as told through Mae and Osha? No one can tell and the show absolutely REFUSES to let anyone have a clear and direct conversation. Even the flashback episode failed to provide any real answers. The show is using lazy writing to obfuscate the truth. So many conversations start and end with, "Who are you?" - "You know who I am and what you've done!"
The power of many!!
Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are great examples of well-connected shows and keep up the quality.
Who expects Star Wars to have writing on the level of those shows??
Anyone using "bad writing" as a criticism should be required to define what "bad writing" means. The vagueness of the complaints hurts the argument.
Bad writing is where you have characters doing things that are predictable and falling into well-known tropes. The Jedi are always depicted as fodder just to build up the villain, which brings one to question as to why the Sith lost again? This goes back to the prequels where 100 Jedi = 2 Sith and the hamfisted reason as to why the Sith numbers are so low is just dumb. Bad writing is taking a dump on established lore for the sake of recycling an already used storyline.
@@Zikk0_o Well, that's something, at least.
Your problem seems to be with the basic power structure of the Star Wars universe (Jedi vs. Sith). But also with any current production that does anything to alter or add to the structure.
Cool.
Here's an example of bad writing. The character of Yord. He's supposed to be interesting bc he knows the protagonist since they were kids in the temple together. But he's boring cardboard. He's supposed to be badass, but he's a clown most of the time. The scripted interactions don't build up chemistry. Is his death supposed to make some point? He went out like a chump and honestly I'm just glad that I don't have to watch his painful character anymore.
@@ericepperson8409 Hmm, Yord is never portrayed as a bad ass. He is constantly mocked by Sol's padawan, Jecki. He is a "late bloomer" who tries to cover his insecurities by being a "by-the-book" rule follower.
Everything is subjective but I'm not sure you've read this one right.
I find it ridiculous to say Star Wars hasn't had good stories and writing just by what's put live on screen when we got Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor and the High Republic books and OT-era comics being good stuff for the franchise.
Here are some problems
You can't kill a jedi with steel or lazer. What are lightsabers? Lazer swords 😑
"An acolyte does not kill with a weapon" proceeds to kill maaaaaaaaaannnny jedi with maaaannnnny weapons. (Knives, poison, lightsaber, the force/ "THREAD"🤦♀️
Smilo ren doesn't take his own advice and has a big mouth.
Nobody is practicing what they're preaching.
Y'all touched on it right at the end there. And it's been my biggest concern and probably a lotta other folks. The show poses too many questions and I'm not confident they're gonna answer enough of them, especially if there's only one more episode. But that could be just more Rashomon pastiche and there's actually 7 or 8.
Madno and Ahsoka are building toward a movie.
The problem of Star Wars is too many cooks in the kitchen. At least Lucas had an overall idea in mind, even if he was better under constraints. Some artists thrive with limits. I'm one. If I can do "anything," I will do anything, and usually nothing good.
The real problem is u don't care about the twins in their story !
There's definitely a lot of hatred toward Star Wars projects motivated by bigotry, but people were absolutely calling out midichlorians and Palpatine's return en masse, in real time. If you didn't hear them maybe that's because a lot of the people who ignored terrible writing aren't engaging with SW stuff anymore.
I don’t understand why Sol isn’t the only protagonist. He’s way more interesting than either twin. One is a boring plank of wood and the other comes across as a psycho ex girlfriend more than a sister. They don’t contribute much to their own story, which is a huge issue.
And yes this is the best episode…which was a low bar to cross and they barely crossed it by having actual consequences and…you know, stuff happening
Is the Acolyte perfect? No. But is the worst Star Wars project? No. Is it better than a lot of people give it credit for? Yes.
Yeah i cant get behind the "now its a problem because women and POC"...there has always been both at the forefront of star wars from the beginning george himeself even said leia and padme are the central heroes..they are the ones dragging the know it all and know nothing male characters through the movie while being strong powerful leaders in their own right.
Mae is the worst part of the Acolyte
Mae and OSHA are the least interesting thing in the show. I don't care about them at all !! OSHA has spent 1/2 the show unconscious!! Mae doesn't know what she wants to do!!
The Acolyte is the worst part of the Acolyte! What shows invest screen-time in characters that have no arc and that they clearly don’t care about. I gave it a chance 5 episodes but I can’t and don’t desire to watch anymore!
Who's mae??🤤🤤 Me don't have Disney.
On this series, i pity the show runner.
You do some new things? ( kung fu ) complaints.
You lean on old _baseline_ stuff
fans always say they want?( lightsabers ), complaining.
Pull out og expanded uni detail
( the armor that shorts out sabers )…& you still get complaints 🤷🏿♂️ ( “he has too much, it’s a rare substance”!)
iirc, Disney put out a statement shortly after acquiring the ip, “ no one alive now, will see the last star wars”.
there is no end game to it all.
…Some of y’all need to just bring out that VHS player.
& stop paying attention to the new.
Finally Finally FINALLY, someone acknowledges it... when you put DEI or your agenda before the story... it's not always great media. It's writing WRITING writing. No issues with the actors, sometimes even their performance... it's the writing of those characters that fall in quality.
I'm not necessary a star wars fan but Can we stop this narrative that a show or movie is bad because of diversity, people complaining about diversity is a minor issue that i hardly see, they don't make up a majority of the fan base. No one complained about Finn or Mace windu. No one complained about anakin's love interest, Ashoka, Assajj, leia etc Shoot the reason why fans dislike rey wasn't because she's a woman it was the way she was written. Star wars has always been diverse it's the way how they pander by being diverse or have terrible writing. They don't make it authentic or natural.
The fight scenes were cool. The end where the evil twin went with Squidward was a nice hook for the next episode. The middle where the twins were confronting each other was super boring and made my interest in the episode nose dive. That’s the aspect of the show dragging it down the most IMO.
When i disagree with Korey i do it respectfully, and this is one of those times. Prequels were criticized a lot. Also when there was a black character (mace windu) he was praises a lot especially for being black so miss me with that.
I don’t hate the Acolyte. I don’t like the Acolyte. I just don’t care about the Acolyte. Thing is, I’m pretty sure Disney doesn’t either. Watched the first three episodes, and bowed out. Based on what I’ve seen, would wager the Acolyte was greenlit simply to keep the IP relevant and to boost subs for +Disney. Aside from that, I don’t think Disney cared enough to put any real effort into this series and it shows.
Its kind of ridiculous how korey needs to be fed everything through exposition or else he doesn’t know what is happening. The lightsabers were shorting out because the helmet was made out of a material that can shatter and disrupt a lightsaber beam. Its a great example of show not telling and yet he complains about the over use of exposition in other media but he clearly needs it.
I think im also still a little salty about i saw the tv glow lol
So I read up on cortosis and it turns out that it has a high energy absorption rate, which is why the lightsaber eventually turns back on. And y'know, okay, I guess that's okay. I'm not as mad about it as I was about the Ysalamiri. But the net result is that it makes a lightsaber less special.
So this ruined the lightsaber for you but not the kaiju that’s shell makes the lightsaber bounce back.
@@bustedmusketproductions357 I'm not going to say it's ruined lightsabers for me. They're cool and they probably always will be.
But the more things that they're ineffective against the more they lose their special place.
And what kaiju had a lightsaber-proof shell? I don't think I've seen that. Or was that in a book?
@13:36 Whoa whoa whoa slow your hi/mighty roll Korey..People enjoyed The Force Awakens,even though it had it's issues, it still crossed $2B..But after I PAID money to see The Last Jedi, I came out of that theater feeling robbed and violated like a S/A victim!!And if it had anything to do with race,it was because of how badly they treated John Boyega's character arc..Disney Star Wars,with the exception of Rogue One,Andor,season 1&2 of The Mandalorian,The Bad Batch,Tales of the Jedi,and a few episodes of different shows sprinkled here and there,has had a TON of problems waaay before the studio turned something as simple as having different actors and actresses into a mission statement..You know,you can turn that sermon voice down now.
Eh, I still think people have set their standards too low when it comes to Star Wars.
13:28 preach Korey!!!
First two seasons of TNG was mediocre. But then season 3 skyrockets to greatness
Episode 3 for this show killed any hope for me for it being good. The writing is hot garbage
I’m actually enjoying the series. I waited till episode 6 to watch it so I can make my opinion but episode 1 had me interested.
The thing I have a problem with the this fanbase is that they act like this is a well written franchise to begin with. Like there’s one thing to want improvement and another to hold everything new to a standard the franchise has been by comparing it to your nostalgia for the originals and prequels.
The original movie's dialogue was terrible and has inconsistent pacing, but everything else about it was great. Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were well written. In the prequels, Lucas had total control and the writing tanked. After Disney took over, the writing has been wildly inconsistent. The sequel movies were terrible. Andor is great. Mandalorian went from good to bad. The cartoon series all progressed to ending with great writing. The rest of the shows have been mediocre.
Who the fuck had nostalgia for the prequels? Still still admit they were bad but better than the Disney era. I think you’re just a Disney shill. Plus people have been nice to the few rare times Disney Star Wars didn’t suck. Rogue One is the only good movie Disney put out and fans loved Andor and the first two seasons of Mandalorian but the rest of its sucks
May the force be with you
Why didn't Master Sol arrest Qimir in the potion shop He clearly made poison for the Jedi. clearly he is complicit. An Accomplice... he should have been brought in Stand trial in Curosant
I honestly can’t determine which franchise has been more f*cked over, Star Wars or Star Trek.
Ep 5 did have some dope action but not sure if it can salvage the rest of the show...Wasnt sure about the unarmed MMA style, that was so out of place, but the light saber stuff was cool!!
It impresses me that stars wars still exists. Its all just either boring or mid. Anything kinda slightly good is just from past ideas or taken from somewhere else. Let it die already. Star wars is just the property rookie writers, actors and producers get a chance to make an over produced show thats based on what they think star wars is.
Was that dude sitting over there the whole time 😂
I know exactly what he means about wishing he could enjoy the whole thing. This is why I loved Mandalorian, and avoided watching this. I've noticed that once creators start focusing on certain aspects of identity politics in shows, the equality of the story become the last thing they are concerned with.
Oh no, a show was better than I thought.... Its terrible 😢 😂
If the show was about the main "sith" hunting down jedi I feel like this would work way better. They put way too much of the heavy lifting on the weakest element: the twins. The sad part is this show would have worked as a jedi police procedural watching the jedi hunting a serial killer. Less cringe wannabe Kung fu theater and more Seven.
11:32 the end game is basically tell a story on the dark side of the force of master and students how some times the Jedi while alot took children from their families possibly mind trick but that part is a lie 😊
Heck you can see how the Jedi treat their students and how Sith treated there
Have they seen the Clone Wars Show, that expanded on the Prequels ideas and did it very well. There's a reason the show is considered Great.
I haven't watched any Star Wars, since the Last Jedi. Which I have mixed feelings about. I like the Game of Thrones idea. Instead of Rey creating a new Jedi order. I like the idea of going back to the premise of Phantom Menace as much as I hate the prequels. Instead of an already established enemy like the Disney Trilogy did. They should focus on creating a galactic empire with hints of a new enemy. Then if Rey builds a new Jedi council. There will be a reason for it. There could even be hints of a tendency for life to repeat itself in ways, which fits with Star Wars mythology(Joseph Campbell). Not just more nostalgia for nostalgia sake. But fans tend to want nostalgia...
I have to stop watching DT takes on Star Wars, they are the worst takes on when it comes that franchise. After listening to 19 minutes of this vid I still don't know what their issues are with The Acolyte. They said they don't care about the bigger picture but why? What is it about the bigger picture that you don't care about or that they are not bringing anything to it?
These are bunch vague complaints that doesn't really add much to anything.
They're stuck in the middle of trying to make jokes, keeping the SW haters around to keep the views up and making a real criticism of the show they're not paying close enough attention to.
When one host is not even watching the show being analyzed, you're not going to get anything useful from that conversation.
@6:17 why is this guy that's never seen the show but hating on it anyways laughing so hard at this part. 🤔
Star Wars has never been consistent with quality. Sometimes we get something amazing like Andor then maybe we get something bad like Boba Fett. Or just look at the prequel movies they were never consistent in quality.
Sniffing around 😂😂
You know, my personal opinion is of it. Is this so far? Yeah, I'm going to say it has been probably the best episode and a show that is nothing but glorify fanfiction made by a woman that they basically had no clue what they were walking into who's only street cred was saying. Oh, yeah. I like Star Wars and couldn't even tell you that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were the same person.
Great?? Hell nah
Lol if you don't care about "the bigger picture" like NOW, I wonder how you're gonna feel once you've saw ep7.
I really enjoy watching the episode as well
The show would be so much better if it was about the conflict between Sol and Qimir. Osha and Mae are the worst characters on this show because their characters are so inconsistent.
7:27 are you sure he is a sith master maybe he is a appreciate himself
You cant see the fighting it just glow sticks moving in the dark lol
You can't convince me the ridiculously hard push for diversity isn't a problem when the showrunners themselves brag about producing "the gayest Star Wars addition ever."
When the same damn excuse of blaming racists or anti-woke crowd gets thrown around for every modern era show, maybe , just maybe the product is bad. I mean, just think about how many MCU, Star Wars, cartoons, and reboot conversations are dominated by people trying to defend them. Nobody has to defend BB, The Wire, Sopranos, or The Shield. Modern entertainment is devoid of ideas and innovation. Everything is politicized to level 100, and writers spend more time uprooting what people loved for the sake of agenda.
Is Martin on vacation?
I love Double Toasted and Korey, but I can't help but disagree with him over this. Maybe it's my bias as a lifelong Star Wars fan, but it feels like Disney and Kathleen Kennedy legitimately don't understand Star Wars. Even George Lucas (who I despise) has come out and said that he's not 100% sold on the direction that Lucasfilm and Star Wars have taken under the Disney banner. A fat Jedi? Really? *Really?*
This show pushes all the wrong buttons with me. It contradicts itself; the writing's more akin to fan-fiction than anything else, the acting is wooden and dispassionate, and they introduce characters just to kill them off the next episode seemingly...
I don't know what woke means to other people but to me it does mean bad writing. Specifically bad writing cause by one of or both of these things. 1 Gathering one of each demographic like the bachelor version of noah's arc. Show runners these days pitch these things like that makes the story good but it has nothing to do with story. 2 prioritizing that each demographic is portrayed in a positive light. This can lobotomize a character of both flaws and quirks until until a bunch of unbuttered toast is all that's left. It feels very after school special. A proper artist can and will come up with a full, deep, cast of characters built of character traits, motivations and back stories without ever toughing a physical description. Personally I think the suits have pushed out the artists cause a good artist could create a proper parable but a corporation sure can't. All they can do is distill morality down to a pie chart and rubber stamp it with THIS IS ART at the top. A lot of these cubical cryptids even think they are edutaining the world.
star wars is too far gone
needs a reboot