New Zealand rugby pundits react to England losing by 50 to France | The Breakdown
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- The Breakdown is back with Jeff Wilson, Mils Muliaina, Kirstie Stanway and John Kirwan as they touch upon England's shock heavy loss to France in the Six Nations. #TheBreakdown #SixNations2023
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As an England fan I am totally looking forward to the World Cup.
In 2027.
😂😂
That soon
Yes. I think you’re quite right there. Look forward to it . Get stuck in immediately. Then just get it over and done with as quickly as possible and get out fast. The group stage should do it for you quite nicely.
England have a great record in Australia, 2027 is definitely their's. France could well be SA this time round, a repeat of 2007 potentially
It will 2 world cups. 2031. And then only if they get the right re-set now. Need a generational turnover.
It's Monday and I'm still in shock from Saturdays game.....😢
to win you have to make good analysis of succes and failure : one third of the french team was already world champion (less 20 - twice).
French team is a good defense, but also a good scrum, but a good line-out, ruck, maul, good winger, good half fly, good foot game ! that is just a golden generation that could win th WC.
Parfaitement raison!
I believe they can ! would love to see it,
To win your team needs to be fit. Match fit and better equipped mentally than tour oponent
It's got nothing to do with individual players. Team fitness! Then worry about the the game
@@conradduplooy6570 They are used to play together since they are 18 and some of them begin at rugby school when they were children : Alldritt, Dupont, Jelonch, Marchand
You make some good points, jean louis.
(moins 20 = under 20)
Agree 100% with your comments about Italy, they just didn't turn up this weekend. England were simply dreadful. I've seen some comments regarding inconsistent referring in that game but, honestly, I don't think it made any difference.
Us English were expecting a smashing but we were destroyed in every area. The forwards were monstered. We look devoid of energy. This is a hang over from Jones and Borthwick may not be the answer. Really Sad
Refereeing is aimed at the Italian game. Horrendous performance by the officials esp the TMO who handed Wales the win by giving Italy nothing. Incompetence
Refereeing? That would be a S African excuse. We got roasted plain and simple.
As an Englishman I feel that we just don’t have the players to compete internationally at the moment. I’m not embarrassed to say that nor was I embarrassed by the defeat on Saturday against a good strong french side. Rugby in England is full of problems. Not least is the poor financial situation of most of our premier league clubs which is leading to an exodus of our players to France which I suppose is quite ironic. Borthwick is a good honourable man but he has been presented with a hot potato.
I actually think our players going to play in a tougher league will help... if we drop the current rule about playing domestically.
As a NZ looking from the outside in i think it was a mistake to fire Eddie Jones this close before a World Cup now the team has to adjust to a new coach basically have to rebuild.. we kiwis want Foster gone but we aren’t stupid enough to fire him before a World Cup
@@taraishot100 I'm not sure its about who's coaching, or who is at 10 etc. We have systemic issues in the structure of the game. Jones was partly the problem, but far from all of it. The Premiership is the greatest weakness as it allows players like Smith and Dombrant to believe they are worldies - they aren't. The other issue we have is our media, who love to tell average players they are worldies because they look great against average defences. Test rugby is so far removed from the 'product' we have developed domestically.
En tant que Français je suis aussi touché par les problèmes financiers de votre championnat. Worcester, Wasps... pour moi les Wasps c'est Dallaglio et Ibanez et c'est une équipe que j'adore, avec tout le respect qu'on lui doit! Un supporter du Stade Toulousain!
The Saracens downfall has had a very bad impact on key players playing for England. That really stopped their momentum.
“First time since 2005 that France have gone to Twickenham and won.”
I was really surprised to hear that! 😮
France is owed a World Cup by now for sure. Ireland is the main enigma, there are usually so rubbish in the World Cup, but there are playing brilliantly right now.
Agree 100% - take the time with they're, their and there though if you can 👍
@@Mob135 sorry, not the main language of the smartphone
France aren’t owed a damn thing. You either win it or you don’t.
Way overdue for a WC win.
France had the best team in 1995 but lost in semi to SA (we all know why and how), missed a huge opportunity in 1999 (played their "final" in semi against NZ), and should have won in 2011 (we also all knwo why they did not win).
No one’s owed anything
Je dirais que nous avions aussi beaucoup de joueurs importants manquants au début du Tournoi. Notre équipe a besoin de vivre plus longtemps ensemble. Le match contre Wales le confirmera. Cependant pour moi l'Irlande est bien la meilleure nation mondiale en ce moment, ils ont été plus costaud à l'impact contre nous. Mais en effet la coupe du monde est chez nous et l'avantage terrain n'est pas négligeable. Pour en revenir au Anglais ils ne sont pas devenus mauvais du jour au lendemain. Je fais confiance à Borthwick pour aligner la meilleure équipe possible, et je leur souhaite de retrouver leur place qui devrait être dans les 4 premiers IRB. N'empêche 18 ans d'abstinence en Angleterre, je vous le dit ça fait du bien pour un Français.
Well done mate
Je suis d'accord, Galthié n'a pas pu aligner son équipe type une seule fois dans le tournoi. Contre l'Irlande, l'absence de Danty, Villère, Mauvaka s'est fait ressentir clairement. Et physiquement, on était un peu en dessous des irlandais. Par contre j'ai été admiratif des irlandais face à l'Ecosse qui ont complètement remanié l'équipe avec toutes les blessures, Andy Farrel a fait un coaching incroyable. Les anglais ont un énorme chantier devant eux, comme nous il y a quelques années. Galthié a mis 4 ans à reconstruire après des années catastrophiques.
Félicitations à la sélection française - ils ont joué mille fois mieux que nous. Une victoire (record) bien méritée
Word rugby always needs a strong France as an England fan we have big big problems
France we’re great and the fans were great too …. I don’t think any of us England fans are disappointed at witnessing a great French team….. we are worried though about the way the team just buckled and broke.
There didn’t seem to be winners on the pitch.
The successful English teams have always had strong leaders through the team.
Always good to have the views of those not involved in the 6N. And they have a ring of truth about them. England have been struggling for a bit. Both with Jones and now Borthwick. Without naming names, pretty much all the team is underperforming with the exception of Freddie Steward (full back) who has great potential. The defence needs a mountain of work and in attack, there was no real penetration despite a good bit of possession. A rookie half back pair weren't really the choice against France's excellent operators and it showed. I can't see things improving greatly against Ireland next weekend! There's an uphill battle to be able to have any sort of a reasonable world cup. But as an England supporter, you've got to have hope. As a French supporter said to me at the game, France have been in this position. He was smiling.
bro Freddie Steward is was to slow, flat footed and slow to turn to ever be a world class fullback who can compete with the likes of Ramos, Keenan, capuozza, Hogg or Wille le roux
@@finlayD853 To be fair, I said he's got potential. Time will tell. He's only 22.
@@finlayD853 i agree i dont get the hype. mobility of a forward
Btw it appears that Russell was in the racing game last week was injured but could not be dropped for the Scotland and Ireland game he fought well but his body was never in the game he was so strapped up he looked like a nummy 😭
Ireland and France have to be among the favourites for the World Cup, along with South Africa, and possibly New Zealand.
The main problem is that two of them will go home after the quarter finals
@@wolvie1973agree sa and new zealand flying home.
As an Irish man, we will find a way to fuck it up trust
You guys didnt watch 2019 world cup? Will be a repeat thos year. In 2007 who won the world cup in Paris?
@@conradduplooy6570 Since Galthié took over France management and began to turn over the results all we heard was "You guys haven't faced the Boks yet, you will see who's the best team in the World". We faced the Boks, you saw.
The RFU never wanted to recruit Shaun Edwards. He himself has said that he never received an official offer. He was just approached by the RFU president, but there was no real proposal. On the other hand, the FFR invested the resources and was not afraid to open its wallet to keep him. As a result, Shaun Edwards will be working for France until 2027.
7 essais à Twickenham n 'est pas le fait de Shaun, c'est le travail de l' attaque, Labit et Galthié
One third of the squad is already worl champion under 20 and it is not under Shawn edwards advises and finally to play as Shawn recommend you need to be able to defend so hardly over a complete match ... it is just a golden generation meeting great trainers
and after defense, you need to have a great pack (we have), a great Line out (we have), good wingers, good half fly, an incredible third and second scrum line, a good scrum, a good balance of the team between Big and speedy player, a good tactical and strategical trainer ....so on ..as an example, againts ireland, the French team has been beaten tactically so much as physically on the first line (missing titulars : Gros, Woki, Mauvaka, Luky, Danty, Jaminet, villiere, and Willemse and Cros coming back from injury against Furlong, sheehan, Gibson-park) .... foot game for occupation was poor, because the staff wanted no to give balls to ireland and they choose Ramos again for that reason (attacker and penalty scorer).... Bad choices, but the only physical play they could play that day.
Frenchman here: unless I am mistaken, the French coach is Fabien Galthié and he is French. Who is the "beast Englsih coach coaching France"? (2:27 into your video) Besides it is not a on-man thing, it is a team of coaches , it is about MANY teams in the nation. One guy irrespective he is mighty good is NOTHING.
@@coucoach3342 7 tries it's not defence dude...
Real sportsmanship mentality of yours as well as lots of British fans,
I think sometimes in any sport getting smashed can be a big force to reveal weaknesses and fix problems ASAP.
The Red rose team might use this energy to bounce back and now become unbeatable and win world cup !
Cheers from a Frenchman .
At the game when I looked at the time in the stadium 10.53 thought it was time to go home........
I agree our defence was terrible and can't understand why Saun Edwards has never coached England.
The RFU likes yes men who tow the establishment view of things.
Imagine Andy Farrell as head coach and Edwards his defence coach. That team would be a handful
@@bikesnippets The head of the RFU gets paid almost £700k, he doesn't want a difficult northerner causing problems
He wants to win maybe 😂
En tout cas nous on est content de l'avoir!
We got smashed plain and simple. Well done to France they were sublime. We've gone to a World Cup in disarray before and made the final. We'll know were we are after the Ireland game but the boy's will have to dig deep.
Yous got smashed by the Scots again how many times is tht 3, as for France they wer lucky against the Scots,
@@darrentodd3591Écrit par un "spécialiste"?
Encore une "lumière" le cul dans le canapé !
Sûr que la France a été "dominée" par l'Écosse !
l'Écosse qui a pris la foudre contre les Irlandais !.
Merci de votre analyse....
Au doigt mouillé.
Velomo
Real sportsmanship mentality of yours as well as lots of British fans,
I think sometimes in any sport getting smashed can be a big force to reveal weaknesses and fix problems ASAP.
The Red rose team might use this energy to bounce back and now become unbeatable and win world cup !
Cheers from a Frenchman .
England's defence line was badbad that's all I'm going to say
Nice to see you back.
I thought they were rather kind to us there. The only question any Englishman should have asked was the one I asked "WTF just happened?".
We got whipped 1-23. I was in agreement that Eddie needed to go whether it was his fault or not because he had lost the faith of the fans and players. Borthwick was never going to wave a magic wand but this was maddening. Our 2nd row were destroyed and that set the whole team off misfiring kicks, passes, and tackles. People are questioning the drop of Farrell but no English 10 could play that team on fire plus back peddling in attack and defense.
Can I explain it to you, real quick?
So basically, it boils down to this: English. Rugby. Is. Shit.
Thanks for your time. 😘
The worst part for me as an England fan was the number of England players who couldn’t catch or hold the ball. When confidence is low, focus on the basics.
The pundits were right though. France’s defence coach: English ex-rugby league captain. Ireland’s head coach: English ex-rugby league captain (and England captain’s dad). Number 1 and 2 sides in the world.
England was not so bad, it was just impossible to resist
If I may, at some point in the game England was rewarded with a penalty kick with following introduction in their favor. The kicker literally FAILED to find the sideline 😨 and the ball remained in play 🤷🏼♂️
@@NicolasGodon Indeed, but it happened to France as well
@@NicolasGodonEt... assis dans le canapé une bière et des Chips à la main....
Qui avez-vous insulté ?
Velomo
Wales resisted and got a bonus point.
As a french I am truly happy, but a six nations without England and French disputing for tournament victory it does not taste the same. Our best ennemies. Can't wait to see you back England!
As a nz living in France I hope the all blacks up there game cause there’s no way any team is beating France with there 9,10, and that big forward pack playing like that 💯🔥
Even after this loss England still have a great chance to get to the semis. It's a question whether Borthwick can make enough changes in time. If not Japan and Argentina might both beat them and they end up nowhere!!!
They will have a hard time I’d say Ireland, France, NZ and South Africa will make the semis but anything can happen at the World Cup
Being in same half of the draw (France, SA, ABs and Ireland) two of these teams will not make it beyond the quarter- finals
Yep it's gone from bad to worse for England. Ireland will absolutely hammer England and it will be a similar, if not worse, scoreline next week. I can say that as I'm English! 😔. Bottom line folks, Ireland & France are in a different league to the rest of 6N sides and must both be favourites for the WC. The only player who stood head & shoulders above anyone else last week with Freddie Steward.
im a Scotsman and having watched us getting pumped for years! im definitleby supporting the ABS in the wc. and the reason is you guys never get too cocky . the irish are getting well ahead of themselves .
Coming from a scot. Classic. 😂still sore from yesterday?all your hopes and dreams destroyed after Ireland, embarrassed Scotland in Scotland. Before yesterday u were going to win the World Cup. Cocky?fuck off.
The Scottish should know by now to not resort to Resentment and pettiness when they don't get their way. For hasn't helped them get their way in any walk of life so far.
Instead they should look in the mirror 🪞, take a long hard look at themselves 🤣😂, and start some self improvement.
That's how the Scots will improve.
Everyone in Ireland is so proud of how much Scotland has improved, but know they will always be limited when it comes to playing certain teams, the great teams like Ireland, the "big dogs" that is. As it simply comes down to mindset.
Scotland has a mindset problem, plain and simple.
We will take your support but the Irish are certainly not getting ahead of themselves. You Scots have got to stop being satisfied with being plucky losers, and start being harder on yourselves. And plenty of New Zealand fans have been rightly accused of being up themselves, but right now have little to be proud of.
Scotland will support France we have history
@@hhc5696 the Irish as Cromwell said are just the Irish France 🇫🇷 will win the WC or the ABs too many Englishman in the Irish team it's like Mi6 infiltrated again same as 1916 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Nice of JK to pleased for Gats 🏴👍.
Kieran Crowley is living in JKs house in Italy
Two of these 2 teams will not play past the quarter finals in world cup. South Africa, New Zealand, France or Ireland. Bad world cup draw as i think that might be the 4 best teams?
Saw the thumbnail and wondered why Mark Kermode is reviewing rugby as well as films.
At least the rest of the world is wondering what the hell borthwick is doing too 🤷🏻♂️ starting to think he’s just trolling
England have a long way back to return to the top table of world rugby. Borthwick should now concentrate on the 3 R's - Beef, Brains, and Backs. Beef up the physicality, use the brain to be more aware of strategy and tactics on the field, and train the backs to be more fluid, creative and accurate.
Never heard those 3 Rs before - brilliant! 😂
Beefless, Brainless and Backward are they!
"LOOK WHAT THEYVE DONE TO MY SONG MA" in regards to comments about how Eddie Jones has left the state of the English RUGBY TEAM in
He left a dumpster fire
European rugby is very strong at the moment and Italy have also risen but still just below the others.
wow..60 seconds review on what was possibly the best french game attack,defence,maul domination that should have the AB coaches who were at that game watching, seriously worried we cannot match that and also to think Ireland out muscled France...NZ are in trouble at this world cup as we cannot compete at the breakdown France have a loose trio around 6 ft 5 in height and dominate the maul, their attack from the maul is wave of runners at pace in a 3 pod system that Ireland use and is hard to stop as shown by our losses to Ireland 3 times and france also on northern tour..Super Rugby at present unlike 9 years ago does not prepare us for this type of game, our AB backs are not the problem, we are going to get shown up in the forwards at the breakdown, we are masters of 1 out passing to stationary players unlike the 3 pod system at speed going over the gainline, Foster has not taken any steps forward since helping hansen back on Lions tour here in 2017 when the rot started
As a French, it would be good that England come back to a good level soon enough. The real Crunch takes place with the Perfide Albion, the games against Ireland don't have the same flavor or passion.
Apparently Ireland didn't play according to this clip and aren't RWC contenders.
Stratégiquement je serais le premier fan des Anglais à Dublin! Logique non?
Et puis cette équipe d'Angleterre a d'autres choses à montrer évidemment, c'est sincère.
J 'ai hâte de revoir ITOJE au plus haut niveau! Quand à Jack WILLIS laissez le nous, il nous va très bien au Stade Toulousain!
Mais nous, nous devrons respecter cette équipe de Wales, sinon on risque de se faire piquer par manque d'humilité!
être trop humble c'est pas bon non plus.
Eh what about the Ireland v Scotland game!?? Number 1 v number 5 in world rankings
Exactly
This is an extract from the programme which was recorded and aired before the match was played. They reviewed the 2 Saturday matches then said Scotland v Ireland was the next day.
@@Shades-of-76 sound 👍
Should be worrying to NZ as they just drew with England!
We've never ever ever lost a test by 40 plus points son, anywhere let alone at home
England showed up in the 2nd half that game against the all blacks but didn’t show up at all against France to be fair.
Richest, most favoured Nation got toasted ,
French Toast I believe!
😂😅😂😅
after the football now it's rugby! next!
The Wales game, Wales were clinical and confident and it won the game thanks mostly to Rhys Webb who controlled and dictated the game, Italy went out as favourites and underperformed because of the pressure of in must win game, they looked a mess. As for the England game, France looked great, some amazing tries, but England looked terrible from start to finish.
That's actually the first time I hear a proper analysis of the England - France debacle... It was indeed for the most part all due to quite "a bed deefince".
You can see that the quality of new England players coming through isn't quite good enough for international level rugby (possible exception of Steward though he's a bit slow). This is why Tuilagi is still playing despite making his debut in 2011and constantly being injured. Is anyone else starting to question Slade's quality? He also seems too slow for modern rugby though he does have some skills. Let's hope to see some hunger vs Ireland.
Talk about the Fiji Drua mate 😂
Did the win the super rugby?
@@taraishot100 no but dickhead above thinks super rugby teams are actually the national team for the country
Basically we not got many world class players and the ones we do have aren’t performing. Lightweight front row, no settled loose forwards, average 9, unsettled midfield and F.Steward is overhyped and slow… “best in the world under the highball” … says only English fans and journos
The old class discrimination will always come back to haunt boring public school England
Probably half the French side is world class and the best players in the world at their positions. There is not a single England player who would get in a world XV. None of the England players is world class apart from Itoje (when he is on form and he is OFF form right now). The only teams I see giving France a run for their money are Ireland and South Africa. We got pumped and we deserved it. Bu the bottom line is we do not have the players at the moment. Yes, there are a few selection issues here and there. But whoever is coaching it will be tough. Give Borthwick some time.
Freddie Steward is potentially world class, as is Henry Arundell.
@@onlinemoneymadeeasy1317 he’s slow.
Well France lost the opening match of their first home world cup, to Argentina. New Zealand have the worst coach ever, but have never lost a pool game at the Rwc. You are underestimating the best team in the world right now, good luck playing them this weekend 😂
@@onlinemoneymadeeasy1317if Stewart had Arundels pace yes. But they would still be a poor man's Will Jordan 😂
Genge is a good player
And the Irish are just on another planet when it comes to being the number 1 team in the world.what a World Cup we have coming
'Being number 1' right now means nothing in the bigger picture... in reality there's very little between SA, Fra, Ire, NZ, Aus.
Don't forget Ire and Fra at home barely edged SA and Aus just a few months ago. There was nothing between those sides in those games.
The true #1 will be decided in a few months time at the world cup. I think France will do it!
@@PB22559 you can take Australia right out of that my man. Absolutely insane comparing them to those other teams. Realistically france and Ireland are on a slightly higher level than NZ and SA. But I do agree, those top 4 teams can all beat eachother
@@robbiejohnston2023 You're joking right? Have you looked at the actual WC pools? Aus have the easiest path to the semis. They should win their pool (where wales and fiji are their stiffest competition) and they'd be favorites to beat the losers of the Eng/Arg/Jap pool.
Besides their favorable wc draw, Aus were every bit as good as France and Ireland last November. Did you not watch those games? They lost to France by 1pt and Ire by 3 and they were pressing hard at the closing stages of both games.
regardless of who the top 4 are, this WC is going to be smashing!!
World cup is open! France, Ireland, NZ and Boks.
Borthwick was talking about reset and going back to basics, but I don’t think he has the size and the power in the pack to do that anymore. They’re back row just does not suit that type of game and even they’re second row are a bit light weight for that type of game. Dombrant should never play for England again for the way he jogged back on Penauds try
Might have been 15-20 years since I saw an international forward look that fatigued on a pitch. Looked like his knees had been tied together. Hardly a prime athlete, you wouldn’t guess it’s *literally* *his* *job* to exercise. God knows how much the man must eat.
You can't expect Dombrandt to be able to go toe to toe with a winger in a foot race, and to be honest he did the most he could do to stop him, Penaud was able to keep his balance and didn't fell when Dombrandt hooked his leg but it was a close call.
@@wolvie1973 mate Dombrant didn’t start to sprint till he noticed Penaud on his shoulder, he should have been going straight after it from the off, he was jogging thinking the ball would bounce into touch. He was standing there for a breather.
@@TP1988 agree! The game is getting faster and faster with more ball in play time, I think it’s a stinging indictment on the English that there players don’t look fit enough.
*What a total humiliation for the English! Revenge of Waterloo!🤣🤣🤣*
French payback for what the English did to Joan of Arc will never stop.
What a stupid comment.
patay
Most would probably secretly be thinking "yeah and England probably going to beat us because thats how it goes"
Mills is speechless....Maybe worried that France will win World Cup
The fact that ABS lost 4 games and drew against England should be cause of concern.
What has happened to Itoje?
get smashed
France and Ireland are just incredibly good at the moment and England just aren’t as good 🤷♂️ coming from an English fan.
Sorry mate, “…just aren’t as good…”
I wonder if you’ve maybe misstated there.
That actually doesn’t go anywhere near accurately describing just how bad England (and Wales too) are at the moment. Mate, they’re shockingly bad. Japan will beat them at this rate…
@@Driver2616 yeah maybe I sounded polite by what I said 😂 your right though England have a LONG way to go to catch up
France and Ireland are peaking at the moment. RWC is a different tournament it is a battle of attrition and having the best team available every week particularly from the quarter finals onwards any team can win on the day in the knockout stage look what the Springboks did at the last world cup lost to the All Blacks in a pool match and then England beat the All Blacks in the semi final and then lost to the Springboks in the final.
Yeah it’s a bit like the finals in nrl and afl ,
Where everything that happened previously means little if you can’t get to right on the day for the 3 weeks in a row of the knockout stages , a bit of luck with injuries is a big leg up as well .
Us allblack supporters know all about it 😀
I don’t think that France have peaked yet, I think that there are gonna be even better at the World Cup, even with this average start of tournament. Ireland will stay the same but I don’t see them beating SA in a World Cup match. NZ ? Depends on how much they manage to improve in the next months because what they showed in the past year and a half wasn’t great. Obliterated by France and well beaten twice by Ireland at home. France, Ireland and SA same same to me. But how the f** did world rugby let all those teams in the same World Cup draw ?
@@camwells9726 totally agree with you mate we have had plenty of heartbreak moments with our All Blacks in the RWC
@@08padam yeah always a pool of death in the RWC.
As a Kiwi, theres so much talk about France and Ireland come W.C.
But imho the sleeping giants are and will always be *Argentina* 🇦🇷
On the back of defeating the All Blacks twice also their recent FIFA W.C win, when they play with *flare* they will always be a threat at the big dance and are capable of going all the way!
Why no word on Scotland v Ireland?
It's an hour long show, that was a few minutes of it. It may also be recorded Sunday night, vefore the Monday 4am our time match was played
"vefore"?@@joedennehy386 vefore! Am I detecting the tones of an excessive stickler for timekeeping? Is there an österreichisch root to the Dennehy clan? The name may mean "humane" in Gaelic but it's also relate to a chieftain who fought the Danes, to this day recognised as an autochthonous ethnic deutscher Schäferhund minority, referred to as the hjemmetyskere in Denmark, meaning "domestic deutsch". You Sir, are a German! 🤣 Stick to what you're good at - soccer! (that's fußball to you). 🤣
There again, it could've been a typo?
England should not lose hope, look where we were not that long ago
They lost by 43.
Old JK looks like Angelina Jolie...too tight to smile 😁😁
eddie jones has wrecked the english game and got paid handsomely for it.
You are joking me....
An incredible coach sacked at one of the worst possible times. Now we have to build a new approach before the world cup
In fact, this defeat was necessary for the English to question themselves, they may have thought they were aligned with the two best teams in the world, but this blow of fate will make them understand that they have to evolve every year to be the best, and not to lock themselves on ghosts, they have the ability to react, and perhaps try new players as France does, a Frenchman who has pain for them without being proud for France
sad state of english rugby, post covid etc, era change as well like france had, lack of english investment in younger players etc. will be many year before england can produce south pacific islanders again! come on falklands!
Farrell has been poor for a very long time for England and this year even his kicking has gone downhill. Farrell is definitely not England's leader. He is and has been our problem for a long time. He offers nothing going forward and the opposition know exactly what to expect from him. We need backs like Smith, Tuilagi, Marchant, Slade, Mitchell, and Steward. We also need Tom Curry back ASAP.
The British Empire in shock.
And yes the French know how to play rugby and they even play pretty well.
The heaviest defeat for an English team at Twickenham in its history.
Thank you, good game.
Pretty well? What’s your team? 😂
The British Empire?
Do you know what the British empire was? Doesn’t exist anymore pal
There was such a thing as the Franco Empire also you total 🤡.
Still, congratulations. First win for 18 YEARS.
Proud record
You're aware that the British empire consisted of Scotland Wales and Ireland too right?
Let's be honest in the last 6 games in the 6N Scotland beat England 4x, 1draw, and England 1 win, the resources of England are staggering 200k registered players, biggest league, biggest playing pool, biggest budget let's look at Scotland 37k registered players, 2 pro teams, small budget, what's lacking for England? England needs guile and guts and quick thinking on the foot, the Irish 🇨🇮 will kill the English at the scrum, the line out, the set piece, the Scots at least kept Ireland 8:7 at half time 🇨🇮🏴
To be extremely fair. England seems like it's doing pretty poorly in terms of education and training of its youth '-'. Which is deeefinitely our biggest strength in France. More than a good rugby league. Hell, look at what's happening in football or basketball. What pays is not the league, it's the youth.
Wheels came off the chariot amid copious amount of tears, completely smashed. If anyone wants it for spares please contact the France23 club.
Good attempt at humour nearly.
Why can't England just admit they were outclassed! France simply outthought, outfought and outmatched England! The English just can't admit they were played off the park!!
All the best English coaches are coaching other nations which is a terrible indictment of the RFU , unless you follow Rugby in England like I do I don't think you would realise how much is wrong both on and off the field, I won't go into too much detail here but just to say that the whole pathway system was dismantled and Quality coaches who were doing a good job sacked, the financial mismanagement allied to the COVID epidemic has brought the chickens home to roost as they say. Only the WRU are as bad as the RFU but for completely different reasons.
Careful young Zealander pundits, it'll take 4 matches to stabilize our mentality of one match, then 4 more, and then 4 more, so look out for dangerous play and do not whinge. Borthwick's error with Farrel is that Farrel is northerner and his selection to start may have stopped 2 or 3 tries. Your next.
try talking comprehensive english so we can understand you - you country bumpkin
You delude yourself
Didn’t the All Blacks beat England by that amount a good few years ago, when a try was 4 points
Cheers have a great day
Bien vu et bravo à tous les rugbymans, spectateurs en tribune et joueurs sur la pelouse !
Vous portez les couleurs et défendez les valeurs de la France, de la vraie France, celles de nos ancêtres… pas celles qui se détériorent dangereusement dans une coloration inquiétante.
Valeurs que l’on n’empêche pas d’exister, … ailleurs, … mais pas chez nous, … surtout en remplacement des nôtres !
Merci aux courageux organisateurs de cette remarquable cérémonie d’ouverture, évoquant ou racontant notre Histoire bien française, nos traditions, celles des années 50, avec le béret, la casquette, le marcel, la libération de la femme, ... et notre coq légendaire, …
Aucunement celle de l’abaya !!!...
Ce fut un rappel de notre passé séculaire, de notre Histoire, … et personne ne les effacera !!!
Bravo et merci encore au « Monde du Rugby » de défendre cette grande idée de la « Vraie France » !
Et puis, bonne chance dans cette compétition qui a bien démarré !
Macron ? Bof !
Son sourire narquois, ce rictus et ces regards désobligeants, … sont révélateurs de ce qu’il est vraiment et du dédain qu’il porte quotidiennement à tout le peuple français !
Ne jamais oublier : les Gilets Jaunes, l’épidémie, le virus, les vaccins, les retraites, la Police non soutenue, le laxisme avec les délinquants, etc.
En réalité, chers rugbymans, en ce jour, il vous hait particulièrement !
Retournons lui au centuple ce sentiment et son mépris !
8th Oct 2016 Springboks 15 - 57 All Blacks ... 16th Sept 2017 All Blacks 57 - 0 Springboks 0 ... World Cup 2019 - Springboks champions. Better get some money on England for 2027
We all know the Boks will make Final now it's up to the rest of you to fight out the other position
haha we all know the boks will be 2nd, and the first will be ...XXXXXX !
La coupe du monde a été donnée à l'Angleterre, l'Afrique du Sud, la Nouvelle Zélande quand ces pays organisaient. Logiquement on devrait donner le trophée aux français...
As a saffa lol.
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Only 3 games in that England squad are still 100% Eddie's legacy
You're so mean, Eddie Jones is the best. England would have won the world cup if he stayed, now it's heading to Australia
@@Baz502 like a battered woman welcoming back their abusive ex-husband, Australia are likely to enjoy a brief honeymoon with Eddie and be left doubly destroyed by his inevitable departure in a couple of years time. 20 years after he wrecked Australian rugby and condemned them to the serial mediocrities they've been ever since, Eddie returns grind the boot in one more time. God help them, frankly.
@@Formakiwi Coming from a former kiwi fan, who changed alliances
Or 2031.
Aiah Patricia lost again against France.
Farrell has a bad attitude and isn't playing well either he deserved to be benched, Smith on the other hand should have played , as for the performance surely a new manager is allowed to stamp his style on the team or it isn't his team
Vive Les Bleus 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷🐔🔥🔥💪
We lost by 43 actually
Or did France win by 43?🤔
@@fazertace6837 maybe they did
they re so arrogant like a always .but when they loose ,my lord they dont shake hands ,ask lomu.. jonah lomu was the only nz player shaking hands with the adversary when they loose
Source?
*lose.
Bullshit!
get some sauce there's a big chip on your shoulder
They did shake hands. Utter nonsense. Did you even see Genge’s post game interview?
Best defensive coach in Europe and England rugby are dumb enough to lose him to France …
Did she say sex nations???
I have a NZ d/I/ law. Truely the most awful accent. It grates on me. Luckily they stay in NZ so only here it every few years.
@@goldenpass4766 Haha
Hilarious that Rugby is now not sport but just entertainment. Stop giving MVP awards, give Oscars.
vive la France !
france at home, with an entire nation expecting victory , seem the perfect time for an all blacks team to steal it off them
No chances, last time they tried, France battered them 40-25
@@ytevysbhtb
it means nothing
@@baptistebrigand5882 it means the once strongest nation ever became weaker and France is now stronger
Like in 22 !?
All Blacks will not be firing properly while they have Foster as head coach.
just journalists who have never played sports and who speak like Princes....
Embarrassing ref in the Italian game, cheated them and handed Wales the win. Should go back to rugby school.😊
Abit of a miss leading video title. England did not lose by 50
world champs? more like world chumps
How can France be favourites when Ireland beat them and everyone else in the World?
You will understand soon.
Home advantage. And Ireland had a bit of luck on their side in that game so I think on neutral ground it would be even and at home France are the favourites
It’s a home World Cup for France. I do think Ireland have a slight edge, but all the tournament being played in France is a massive advantage
They're playing at home
Don’t Forget that every player of the french team playing in the top 14… they have more games to play than irish player… France will smash Irland with 4 month off before world cup
Clown …..my gardener will be mad….🤦🏻♂️
"We're gunna chit Sux Nations now"...
Would you please stop calling them "pundits". It is inappropriate and irritating.
I love every second of ireland/ england and france supporters under the impression they can win the world cup 😂
Ireland and France can at least point to consistent winning records over the other top-ranked teams in the world in the last two years. That's more than can be said for SA, NZ, England or Australia, never mind Wales, Scotland or Argentina.
Except the day when the referee played with you ( and then had to definitely stopped his carrier) France usually easily beats the new Zealand team. This is why I am so sad by thinking about nz supporters. 😂😂😂
not sure why you put england in there, and god i hope you're not so clueless that you actually don't understand ireland and france are at the very least contenders
@@oliviercolletaz5841 contenders for sure. Peaked too early. Realistic how on earth will Ireland beat, sa, scotland, pool stage, france/ nz in quarters and aus / eng in semi and have enough in the tank to go all the way.
Lol why a single black man in the caption
Maro Itoje