1. Grandiose Narcissist "I'm better than you, and I know it" 2. Malignant Narcissist "I will do whatever it takes to get what I want" 3. Covert Narcissist "I'm a great artist but the world never noticed my talent" 4. Communal Narcissist "Look at all the great things I've done for the world!"
I can relate to the grandiose, often feel that I have better knowledge/understanding/insight to others on many subjects. Usually because I do 😂. I'd go as far as to say I'm a lot more intelligent and knowledgeable than I initially portray myself and am often the wise man who acts the fool - preferring to unveil my superiority etc once I'm satisfied that the other party taken a false reading of me. I suppose that's a manipulation trait too. I'm not a dick about it and don't portray myself as better than people but quietly confident. I realise that I do have a small bit of narcissistic tenancy deep down but keep it in check to the best of my ability and I wouldn't say that it would be evident to others. I suppose we all do in one way or another if we're honest. ENTP.
Just bc right after he explained them I forgot.. Grandiose- I’m better than you. And I know it Malignant- I will do whatever it takes to get what I want. Covert- I’m a great artist but the world never noticed my talent. Communal- Look at all the great things I’ve done for the world.
@@blackoceancreativeuniverse As an INFP, I acknowledge your perceptiveness. Now please inform my INTJ boss of your learned strategy. It will do him a world of good. 😄
Kind of weird when you stop and think about it, most of the actual "value" being created is small things that won't get you paid very much. Even technical skills kind of have a ceiling where being good at marketing and sales really doesn't.
the fact that you recognize that in yourself and want to change is half the battle! we all have our issues, it's nothing to be ashamed of. good on you for committing to self-improvement!
I'm INFP and I do the same but if you recognise it you can challenge it. Sometimes you are a victim but it's not something to hold on too for to long. You can move forward with your life dispute of it. But you we'll be able to overcome it. With time and practice. :)
"ENFPs are kind of always hard to place, actually." That's because our minds take us wherever we're needed, even if we need to be narcissistic for the moment. We're true heroes and deserve some ice cream.
@@Zohairshanteer Oh yeah, and if you address the issue then you're somehow trying to usurp their freedom and you must be taught a lesson. Idk why they think everyone is entranced by their "charm".
He could have put ENFP in any of the categories and they would fit the description perfectly. ENFPs are divergent. The struggle of fitting everywhere and not knowing where to go because even though you can fit in everywhere, you don’t actually fit in completely anywhere is real with us ENFPs.
I think they'd fit into three of the categories - 1, 2 and 4. The third category is covert narcissism, which doesn't fit the ENFP type. That being said, most people don't fit neatly into one type or another, so someone with strong ENFP qualities could display behaviors that partially overlap with covert narcissism. You can see in the ranking that all the other covert types are introverted, and that's not a coincidence. Especially the EF combination makes it highly likely for narcissists to express their true intentions very openly, which is why all four EF types can be found under Grandiose and Communal.
@@ETBrooD I understand this, however, I think people greatly underestimate how introverted ENFPs can be. We are the most introverted extroverts. I would even dare to say, we are true ambiverts. Like for my test results, the only reason I ended up being typed as an extrovert is because I got 51% extroversion. That's almost 50-50! I am definitely more outgoing than most introverts and I can see why ENFPs might not normally fall into the covert type, but I do think certain ENFPs that live more in their introverted state then their extroverted state (perhaps due to cultural or environmental influences) would definitely fit into the covert type. ENFPs have Fi which allows them to mask their true feelings very well. A narcissistic ENFP may not be loud and grandiose, but may feel like an outcast which can lead to the "dejected artist" syndrome. Covert ENFPs would have victim mentalities and would use the combination of their functions to manipulate people to do their biddings for them. Remember that an unhealthy ENFP would be very manipulative. They would manipulate their victims into feeling like abusers and would seek pity or have this façade of being the victim to outsiders. A covert ENFP would put on a charming almost airheaded free-spirit façade for the world so that no one would ever believe their victims when they come forward about their abuse. Unhealthy Fi users are self-manipulating. They can easily drown themselves in the delusion that they are the subject of abuse, while they are in fact the abusers.
Well said. I always say Heath Ledger’s Joker is a perfect extreme example of an ENFP gone bad. A lot say he’s ENTP, but having Fi instead of Fe makes me lean towards Ne/Fi.
This is one of the few tier lists there XNTJs know they are most likely on top , but they are not proud of it (Hi , INTJ here. I'm arrogant when it comes to my vision and data , but immense perfectionism keeps my ego go from top to bottom and back. It's really imbalanced and I somehow look more arrogant when I'm actually at my worst. The more I'm sure in myself the less aggressive I am to others.)
This is relatable. I think it's due to the fact that if we satisfy our Fi child, then we can mimick those good emotions in an Fe way as well. But if we can't satisfy Fi then we will mimick those bad emotions in an Fe way. However, I still think that it's a higher proof for love if we try to be humble in relation to others when we are in a bad state as well. Because there's nothing special to treat others in a good way when you are in a good state.
It seems intj remain stable and healthy when they activate their Te parent before Fi child. When they are stuck in an Ni-Fi loop, however, they are illogically fixated on their opinions and use Te to extravert that. This seems consistent with your comment
@@lordepichax3755 I already predicted the conclusion that you wanted to project from the moment you said about being stuck in the loop. I don't agree. What is illogical in my comment? I made no contradiction. Or is it that your definition of illogicality is related to expressing feelings, even if they are expressed in a logical and non contradictory manner? Should I just abide by society superficial standards of what is deemed logical which it pertains only to being "cold" and "calculating"? There are a lot of feelers who are cold and calculating including INFJs and they are far from being logical. Doorslamming you without even expressing their feelings as they don't even know their cause. Why? Because they don't submit their feelings to analysis. Their logic only gives them green light to their feelings without even analyzing them. Thinkers, on the other hand, express feelings, as any humans. Only that they express it from a very mechanistic way as this is our way of functioning and understanding. Before we express our feelings, we submit them to long analysis and we give a sequential explanation for how and why we feel this way. Feelers don't know where their feelings came from. While thinkers know the reason for why they feel a certain way and can articulate it in a concise manner after they have delved deep in introspection. There's no division between feelers and thinkers. Both use logic and feeling. And both processes are needed in interacting with our environment. That's the kind of mentality that promotes being lazy and remaining in your ego instead of actually developing what you lack. The Ni-Fi "loop" as you call it. It does the opposite of that. It makes you more conscious and aware. It's not that if you don't use it you are more logical. You are still human and you still experience feeling. It's that by being more conscious of it, you can actually direct it in a way that's conducive for your main way of being.
@@novaimperialis you seemed to have missed the point of my comment. Perhaps I did not make it clear enough. You've built an ivory tower of assumptions based on a misinterpretation of a comment. You first mistake was believing I responded to your comment instead of the original commenter. I admit I should have tagged the OP, but you could gleam from the context that it was not intended for you. When I say "illogical" I'm saying that the intj will not do their due diligence in collecting facts, data, or strategizing before consulting Fi. In other words, they dont subject things they want/believe in to a form of logical assesment. From my understanding, a healthy INTJ should weigh whatever Ni finds by Te logic, before integrating it into Fi. Should Fi be placed above Te, they find themselves locked in an introverted loop, hyperfocused on an inner ideal, that is narrow in its views, using Te in an offensive/defensive manner in service of that world. Therefore, INTJs caught in such loops are seen as arrogant. Edit: Formatting
@@lordepichax3755 Alright, my bad. I was worried that it was the main commenter since you had no tag on your comment, and this happens when you reply to a main comment, but I wanted to clarify the misconception and the feeling vs thinking dichotomy. Because while it's true that they should be balanced, the auxiliary, of which you are referring to, is not used in a legitimate manner either. Most of the time is used as a defense mechanism. So that logical, cold and calculating attitude, it is in fact a defense mechanism. Which you pointed out as well and I agree with you. Also, instead of saying logical and illogical maybe you should use objective and subjective. I think that this is a more accurate representation of the thinking process. It is true that it is Fi that activates the process(the socionics mobilizing function), but we get only an impression from it. Then, that impression is submitted to a long analysis, of which I mentioned in my last comment as well. We use Fi as a way of establishing our priorities and our new destination. By establishing our priorities, we establish our direction also, since those priorities form up our path, which has a final destination. Then the thinking process through thinking and intutition decides the probability and the validity of that direction. It's like we simply choose a direction, even tho, we don't commit to it entirely. We are flexible in changing it after seeing that it goes nowhere. However, it's true that we get very specific on the kind of information that could derail us from that direction. Where does our subjectivity and objectivity is present in our thinking process? Our subjectivity can be seen in the path that we choose, hence the role of the Fi mobilizing function which starts a process. Our objectivity can be seen in the process of testing that path to see if it is valid and changing it when necessary. Since we are irrationals first(socionics intuitive perceiving), then our way of starting the process is subjective, but since we are also rationals second, then that means that our subjective view gets refined it becames more objective over time. Thinking second or Te auxiliary, in socionics, is defined as being the producing or result function. So from what I gathered is that you can't be trully objective or logical if you don't first recognize your illogical and subjective human condition and worldview, to then move to a more objective and logical stance and view. So true objectivity remains an ideal for which you have to fight, but in order to even start the process of becaming or trying to reach it, it requires you to aknowledge your subjectivity first. I hope that I explained the process in an understandable manner. Also, are you an INTP or Ti dom by any chance? If so, can you describe your process as well?
My soon to be in-laws are both narcissists: my mother-in-law is an ESFJ, and the best example of a malignant narcissist I've ever met; my father-in-law is an INTP, and a covert narcissist. When I first met them they seemed like the perfect, flawless family - then they turned out to be the most dysfunctional one I can think of.
Good luck! Don't spend your energy on such people unless absolutely necessary! My MIL is a malignant narcissist, but hasn't aged well. Now in her 80s she's too frail to engage in her emotional vampirism, and no one in the family wants to take care of her because she was so awful all these years. Not even her own children! She is such the narcissist that she never imagined there'd be consequences for her behavior.
I'm ISFJ and I have a friend that's INFJ and we were talking about our types and what we have in common as well as what we have that's different. I told her that if I had a psychotic break, I would be the type that would try to kill off the source of my frustration whereas she would try to create a cult! So I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment!
The insidious part is that it's often not that obvious. I've met two narcissistic isfjs now, and with both it would be impossible to convince them they're hurting people, because they're so focused on how they're good and everyone keeps hurting them. It's truly unfortunate how the functions line up in an isfj. They ignore their Fi, and because they're both Fe Dom's and si Dom's, both of which are community minded functions, they can be quite destructive while never realizing it.
@@feigekatarina5745 I can see how that could happen if an ISFJ is mentally unhealthy. Thankfully I'm not an unhealthy ISFJ and I have learned to utilize my Si to better care for myself. My Si enables me to make connections with past experiences and make decisions based on my past experiences. If I'm going down a path that's similar to what I have done before and it leads me to having a mental breakdown I modify how I react so I don't have to repeat the same mistakes. I'm also aware that I can't care for other people if I don't care for myself so I have learned to prioritize my health so I'm more capable of caring for others.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 I can see your argument, but if we had them in the "right" order we would no longer be ISFJs and there would be more INTPs and you would no longer be a rare personality type XD
I find that actual narcissists can be hard to type, because the quest for narcissistic supply supersedes all other motivations for them. Really severe narcissism is an outer shell with a lot of chaotic mess underneath.
The function order of ENTJs is literally the formula for acquiring narcissistic or Machiavellian traits. It actually takes great effort to not develop these traits. It's a myth that ENTJs do not understand emotions- they are very good at manipulating them. They just don't value it as much as logic. An inferior Fi means that the little emotion they feel, is their own. It takes great attention to detail to hold them accountable because it takes a lot to break through the elaborate plans and calculations of the Ni and catch them in a lie. It's worse than ESTJs because usually ENTJs have an ulterior motive- they don't just want power for the sake of it, they actually want to bring their agenda to fruition too. If that agenda is literally "One Nation Underwood" then there's no way out. Edit- I edited this comment because people are confusing this as saying "ENTJs are inherently evil". I am one myself, so that would be an odd take on the matter. Because of the emotional disconnect, an ENTJ may develop Mach or Narc traits faster than others. That's just a tendency, choices are our own. Even after developing those traits, what to do with those traits is once again, our choice.
I consider also my inf Fi personally as what makes me want to keep improving and pushing myself :) It’s obvious that ENTJs are not monsters with no feelings
@@sophiezhang7258 Well, of course we're not monsters. I have a hard time making people understand that I feel things too, I just don't let my feelings guide my judgement. But I will be lying if I say that I don't have a tendency to subvert rules and regulations in order to achieve something. I'm just talking about the tendency, whether we choose to act on it or not is upto us.
@@madhushrutimukherjee sometimes rules are actually immoral, so in that case I recommend breaking them. ;) (INFJ here). Anyway, when an ENTJ cares about the collective good, I firmly support them being in a leadership position because they'll steer the ship extremely well.
@@EmpressTarotGabbyTurner Well. I don't exactly care about morality or ethics(going by their traditional definitions)- I'm more of a utilitarian. Whatever doesn't serve the broader utilitarian purpose must be abolished. So rules which are there for the sake of it annoy the hell out of me. And I don't exactly break rules- I subvert them. Find out loopholes and squeeze through them- which means I get to point out the futility of the rules without getting in trouble with authority. (None of these rules that I mentioned actually protect any persons from harm that me subverting them would cause harm to someone- if they did, they would actually have a purpose, which they don't.)
I disagree with you as an ENTJ I can confirm that many stereotypes are false and the some of the understanding of the ENTJ functions are very wrong and misunderstood.The fi inferior means that they are actually insecure about whether or not they are a good person because they are afraid that they aren’t the fi inferior means that they are slightly out of touch with their “selves” so it’s hard for them to know what they are feeling and if they are doing the right thing so it’s usually the fi inferior that keeps the ENTJ sane and not a bad person furthermore it’s the reason why they don’t care what others think of their moral principles because they are too busy trying to be a good person.The function order of ENTJs isn’t actually a formula for Machiavellians other wise the world would’ve ended long ago but it could sometimes take a dark turn in some people and reflect as dictatorship or an overly controlling person or a very ambitious person that would do anything to get what they want (that doesn’t always make them a bad person).
@@samueleparo4828 xNFJs are saintly and holier than thou, but they're rarely ever forceful. They're people manipulators, that's the level they function on, so putting them on the Communal category is exactly correct.
As an INFJ I would’ve almost gone for the Covert Narcissist label if it would’ve read, “I am a great artist but the world never noticed ME.” For me that’s where the loneliness kicks in. People love what I do for them, but no one really knows me or seeks me out for anything else. Sometimes it honestly feels like a side act at a circus but I don’t even get paid for it.
@@lvt3507 That IS the sad part. Isn’t it? The fact that we’d keep going no matter what. So sorry this has been your reality as well. It’s lonely out here.
As an infj felt every word there.. but can we see this like we only do this coz.. we are the one capable of doing good deeds without getting paid for it,the pain…, that only can be endured by us ,and we are willing to pay the price. Then why look at that as our weakness instead of beauty, just remember to use that for all humanity instead of one individual
@@rishabharya1072 I think boundaries and learning how to use those properly plays a huge part in all of it. Unfortunately, I’ve never been able to get that part quite right. So you may have a very good point here about a more widespread impact. It would sure as heck attract narcissistic people a lot less that way!
As a self-aware ISTP I think ISTPs might be atleast a likely-high likely. I think? Probably. Edit: Oh wait it's about the most likely type of narcissism nvm
ENFPs as usual are hard to place. My brain: yeah we are! Because we're so multidimensional and awesome! Damn. Am I a narcissist? Begins worrying positive self talk has back fired.
INFJ me: a misanthrope humanitarian. Great breakdown of the types of narcissism as well. Useful & perceptive. And as usual, your humor & observations are spot on
I think it's worth noting that narcissism is kind of a personality in itself (a dysfunctional one). So, even when different types might present different narcissistic traits, personally my take away is that everyone can have negative traits/ behaviors. All of this is made even more complicated by the fact that even within types there will be variations between individuals (duh). So, don't worry to much. Everyone is flawed -INTJ with some vitriol towards the stereotype
I would formulate it a bit more extreme, though ultimately it probably means the same. I would say that probably everyone HAS negative traits, but some people are better at negating them than others.
@@9SMTM6 I would imagine that's a matter of individual improvement. That and the effectiveness of negating one's worse traits would likely vary between methods. (Repression only lets things festers, self-reflection requires commitment to new behaviors, I'm sure you can think of more
Agreed.. I see these narcissistic people as broken.. they can not function as designed and therefore could arise from any type .. INTJ, still learning MBTI, the good, bad and ugly.
Why would I be worried about other people being better?! And want them NOT to be? THAT is narcissistic. And dumb/self-destructive. I want to be surrounded by (much) better/healthier people!
I haven’t watched it yet, but I know ENTJ is gonna be over likely. Malignant narcissist- Spoiler: Got it right :) Tho I did see myself in the Grandiose category as well 😎
I used to be friends with a narcissist INTJ and your placement is pretty spot on. Legit, once I was no longer useful in providing them with ego boosts and started questioning their motives, they told me I didn't care about them and that I was horrible person. Peace out Narc. XD
As an ISTP I can confirm at least with me, that the meaning of life is rarely ever an organically recurring question in my mind. I'm in the here and now and just do what I do when necessary or interesting. If asked about the meaning of life, there are two practical answers: 1)We are here by chance and therefore everything is fundamentally meaningless and any meaning you and I derive is simply one's moral aesthetic/vanity. 2) or there is some superior/overarching purpose to existence/the universe, and therefore we must confront that truth and live by/against it as your perceived free will dictates. Assuming that we're talking about a secular ISTP, the first answer makes the most sense and is also the least restrictive mindset in simply allowing the present tense. In all earnestness, do what you want and I'll do what I want, tit for tat. We aren't *really* any more special than the other... But I'm still more special, just watch.
I think a good example of a narcissistic ENFP is Rhett (Rhett/Link) He may not be considered a raging, terrible narcissist, but he and Link (INFP) both scored pretty high on the narc test when they did it years ago and Rhett admits he has issues with narcissism. Enneagram 3, high achiever, bored Ne/Fi, etc.
My mom is a narcissist who loves to debate. You must agree with her. She will even do this to the extent of your emotional and mental well being. I have never typed her well because I'm pretty new this. I'm an INFP. Covert narcissist sounds about right. I like this because it can help you identify which kind of narcissist you are dealing with.
I consider myself mostly an ISTP, and I think your quite right being with a nihilistic to others and a covert narcissism, sometimes I see that exactly point you mentioned in myself 😂
As an INTP, I like to systematize, organize and use engineering concepts. Here's what I propose as a way to arrange MBTI types, according to their (likely) ego-maniacal tendencies: Grandiose: ExxP. Malignant: ExxJ. Covert: IxxP. Communal: IxxJ.
As an ENTP I’m going to disagree with you, for example: I can’t see an ENFJ/ESFJ so blatantly announcing his ruthless cunningness. They’re social creatures, people driven, actions and and announcements like these are only gonna stray them from society. Next I’m going to tell you how i think you should have argued this/how I would have argued this, People forget that MBTI started off of the 8 Jungian functions, letters like E, S or T are all just consequences of the functions and are therefore not really the main focal point and henceforth should not be the main judging criteria. Perhaps by displaying all the types functions and narcissism types we could find a trend and establish some correlations, and maybe after some deep diving and analysis, causation. You, my good friend and I counterpart, are one of the best people suited for this (dom Ti and aux Ne). But I won’t engage is this matter, I’m going to go pour myself a sangria.
Idk why, but i think if rate of narcissistic is True,what happen? Btw,as I read as i know INTP not too much struggle to organize ppl,but create a system/theory. Thats why entp/intp have NE right?(don't be procrastinating, entp/intp) From:INTJ 👿 enneagram type 1
@@bambangkusuma9296 Ne helps establish patterns, and moreover are able to categorize people better. But the actual uniting of the people is best suited to someone like the ENFJ or ENTJ, at least, that’s how I would think
I’m an istj and I think we fit better in the grandiose section... I’m not sure about everyone else but I’ve definitely thought that I was better than some people at some point...
Tbh, as an ISTJ, after years of school/college group works, It's hard not to think you're better than others when most people around you just seem stupid, lazy or incompetent. I think we just don't seem like it because we don't speak our thoughts, but I've jugded myself as better than others way too many times. But yeah it's a work in progress lol
@@giomanda wow I have called people lazy and incompetent so many times (in my head ofcourse) you are absolutely correct!! Also, it’s fascinating knowing I’m not the only person who thinks this way hehe thanks ;)
I can't imagine not playing the game. It's not about caring, after all; it's about gain. Though i guess this leans more towards a psychopathic mindset rather than pure narc.
My step-father is an ENFJ narcissist. You don't see it coming, they put on a persona to trap their victim only to drop it later on, also the ti inferior is a real insecurity for them ; because he (I can only talk for him) has such a big need for approval he will go out of his ways to explain to you why he's right (and you wrong) and you'll have to give him praise for being oh-so-holy...
Oh god that sounds like my foster mother, who took me in so I can think of her as a god like creature. Often making me feel bad for not being thankful enough and being entitled, because I didn't praise her enough. Then she talked about all the great things she did with me ( that she didn't actually do ) and later dropped me in front of a childrenshome, when I was about to become a teenager, because teenagers talk back and are exhausting....But she loves me soooooo much.... yeah. They are awful, because no one can imagine how they could do you any harm....
@@danika9411 Oh my god that's terrible, I hope you are doing ok despite all this shit that's been thrown at you... but yeah they're the worst because they know perfectly well who they are malipulating (my step-father took a huuge credit to pretend for years he was financially stable, until the mariage) and there's the loneliness because many don't believe it, yet all they do is for the appearances, but wow taking in a child only to drop them later like it's a pet really sounds like the most egoistical thing to do.. wishing you all the best, good that you at least know that she was the one to blame for her behavior
I don’t think ISTP are nihilist but more like a realist. Its just that most people seems to have a hard time accepting reality. Doesn’t help that ISTP doesn’t talk much to people who agrees with them either… you know, there’s not a lot to talk about when people just agrees with you.
I guess you are using the words "realism" and "reality" in their colloquial meaning of a pragmatic and 'no nonsense' attitude towards life, and no idealism towards human nature. In that case I agree with your comment entirely. Otherwise, if you're using the words in their philosophical meaning, you kinda claimed to have access to the ultimate nature of reality, which is a claim not even quantum physics can make
@@marcodallolio9746 Its unrealistic to assumed that anyone would have access to the ultimate nature of reality. WTF is the ultimate nature of reality anyways? Anyone who claimed to know such things are probably trying to separated you from your wealth…
@@tonamg53 I agree, nobody can have an objective and empirically demonstrable access to the nature of reality. We've been debating over it for millennia, and probably keep debating as long as the species is around. However, even if inaccessible, everybody subscribes to a model of reality, whether they are aware of it or not, and this model is based on an idea of what reality is ultimately made of, in other words its ultimate nature. Even if you pay no mind to silly philosophical speculations, you still assume reality is made of something. These days, in western cultures, this model is mostly materialism, the idea that the ultimate nature of reality is matter. For buddhists, for example, mind is the ultimate nature of reality instead. There are a lot of other possible positions, one of which is nihilism, if you assume at the basis of reality there is nothing. So, back to your original comment, you were right, technically you can't be a nihilist and a realist at the same time
@@marcodallolio9746 I think most people got the “actual reality” mixed up with what their mind see as “reality”. Our brain perceived the actual reality and then “adjusted it” automatically into our own version which we are willing to accept. (basically its cognitive bias) So everyone probably have their own version of reality which will be slightly different with the actual reality. If it differ too far from reality, then that what most people would called “delusional”. So there is probably only a single reality that existed in the actual nature. It is what it is. How each person interprets the actual nature of reality, will be different. I’m just trying to see it as it is, as much as possible. I think it can helps us to made more informed decision.
@@lavolpe8525 ISTPs are concrete people, it does therefore make no sense if these kind of people would think about things like the menaing of life. This is more an INTJ thing and Nihilism is unfortunatly also an INTJ thing
@@ashuranero5721 I'll be polite and say "stereotype's do not dictate reality" we have to believe something so it is foolish to think that we would not do so, we arrive there by logical avenues, its an INTJ's position to dwell on it where as ISTP's reach a conclusion until something comes up that would force a reconsideration. Nihilism is the belief in nothing after death, a very ISTP thought pattern. are you an INTJ?
Listening to a lot of true crime, I've pondered the effect of cognitive type on personality disorders and roughly correlated your list to Extraverts, Thinkers, Introverts, Feelers, so love this more nuanced approach 💛 (I passed this theory by Dr Grande but he failed to confirm or deny. Bad Dr Grande.)
Depending how neurotic the ENFP is, I could see us as covert too, because we can be people pleasers and want to be liked. So a narc ENFP would no want to be found out.
Coming from an ISTP, yeah I can be a but nihilistic, when it matches reality. For example life isnt meaningless to the one living it, but in the grand terms of the universe everything is pointless. Also very pessemistic.
As a istp we groom everyone else to make them feel at ease. In reality we view them as nothing more then "vertical cadavers", we will fain weakness to get closer to you so that our first strike will break multiple bones ! In essence your just a food source for us !
My intj friend has the biggest ego Ive ever seen in my entire life out of anyone I've ever met. My twin brother is entj but I feel as though Ive seen much more narcissistic intjs. Every once in a while I kind of have to put him in his place because he gets so out of control with it.
Lol...i had one in my life i considered was my bff...until i realized there wasnt enough room for the 2 of us in that head of his 🤣😂...i still like intj's though
My ESTJ father was a full-on malignant narcissist. I say 'was' because he's softened up and improved somewhat with age, as some people do, though some of those tendencies remain in more subtle incarnations. He comes from a family filled with narcissists, as most narcissists do, and was the first among them to have enough of a sliver of self-awareness - not about the narcissism itself but about some of the destructive behaviors it caused - to work at some self-improvement, though not before spending decades abusing everyone around him.
Well since you asked for ISTPs to comment on nihilism: depends on the type of nihilism. I think of myself as a believer of Existentialism but in my more cynical moments I lean toward Existential nihilism. Narcissisticly speaking; In my teens I might've leaned towards Grandiose Narcissism. I want to believe I have shed any narcissistic notions, but who knows, maybe that is the narcissist speaking.
I have an INTJ dad. He can be colder than absolute zero at times. I bet Elon Musk had an INTJ father too. That's probably why he broke down in tears when talking about him.
"I can do no wrong, because I do not know what it is." But not having any fun with it is not true for all of us. The end justifies the means, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it.
8:45 “ENTPs are just good at everything” Yeah I get that a lot. Lots of people who are jealous that I can do everything and be good at all of it. I’m probs a narcissist. 😂
Initial reaction when seeing this video. "Oh my goodness! He actually did it! He took my suggestion!" (Lol, you might not have, it's just ironic for me suggesting this in the comments and then having it happen.)
As an INFJ, I've been only a Malignant Narcissist before. Contrary to stereotypical INFJ roles, I've led projects before (due to Fi energy when alone). When I need help from others, I sometimes unintentionally come out as passive aggressive or perfectionist. But when you really look at it, it's like I'm just being a needy person. Grandiose Narcissist? Nope. Never underestimate anyone. Even if your guts are correct. Always be cautious... Covert Narcissist? Maybe, but not really. I just do whatever I want and hope that people will notice me. Doesn't matter if the fame doesn't come right away, but I know it will as time passes (as a TH-camr that is...). Communal Narcissist? Definitely not. Thanks to the sensitive internet, having to be or do something to be eligible is stupid. We don't have to prove every single thing just to justify our actions & minding our own business.
Yeah I can see that malignant thing... sometimes I predict too far in the future and then wind up wondering if I caused it by just imagining the possibility. "Did I accidentally plan all of this out or did I just see it coming from a mile away?" Also anyone else looking at that discord invite and internally debating whether or not it's worth it when you're probably going to become a lurker anyway? Lol.
I know a Grandiose ISFP and a MALIGNANT ENFP. The ISFP man hated when people gravitated towards my when he intentionally created or facilitated a platform with the goal of making himself look good. The ENFP man is my best friend but he tends to bulldoze people with his 3rd slot TE, especially in team work style environments. He’s also very judgemental with his FI parent.
High Fe- strong ties to communal High Ti, Fi, Si- strong ties to covert High Te- strong ties to malignant High Se, Ne- strong ties to grandiose High Ni- who knows??? 😂
as an INFP, I often had a problem with ISTJs with various reason... but the recent one is clearly made me facepalmed as the symptoms are clearly a narcissist. But... the description being covert one isn't 100% true, at least for my case. The ISTJ that I met online was a grandiose type. Which I mistake them as confidence, at first... maybe depending on the parents type too? Or maybe the grandiose ISTJ that I met is only the online version yet the reality is a covert? Hmmm 🤔
I’ve noticed quite a few memes are being pushed - narcissism, tiny homes, rv-living, renovations, and others. I am thinking they are meant to entertain/distract us from what matters most - God. ✝️
Haven't watched yet but I've a feeling I'm going to be told Im narcissistic - I would just call it confidence, and knowing I'm like superior, but do as you will - ENTP
Can you accept that some one else is right and you are wrong, and you have no impact on them being right? I wouldn't think you are. Confidence is different to being narcissistic. Believe that your better then everyone can just be ego. It's more about how you process and deal with information.
Here's a suggestion for another video, Nathan. How would each of the personality types save the world or what do each of the types think/feel needs to happen in order to save the world? For my own part as an INTJ, I would say remove all the morons ie. humans. I bet my INFP brother would say, "If everyone was just nice to each other". And ST types would say "if everyone did what was right ie. followed the rules".
I absolutely see what you're doing here and I kind of ask for something a few days ago but I think this is an older video and I like what you're doing so you might have already implemented these plans I am intj and I know I need to learn how the entj works and understand it that's where I roll in my punches you are probably one of the best TH-cam channels besides Frank James I completely adore everything you put out
I'm glad you mentioned INFJs could maybe fit in as covert narcissists that's where i thought i could fit the best when you were explaining the categories
Being an infj I am not a user or a manipulator but I sometimes give 0 care to others not trying to be mean but just not interested in other lives and a little too involved with my own life so I'm self absorbed but not a bragged or a show off I don't even have a face book and if I was rich and had the best life experiences I still would not have a face book. I just live in my own head, my own life and I don't usually care to hear about yours unless it's useful info or has meaning that I'm searching for. So what is that called?
@@Angel-gb9gi thats called being an intp @edit in all seriousness, I also act like that sometimes and that is not a bad way to be. However, i also know it's important playing the tribe game and caring. Even if it's not geniune, fake caring is still very important
@@notjohn2672 I play the tribe game as well and will ask about a co workers day even though I don't care to know just to seem normal like everyone else. I could go forever without wanting to know but it sure gets awkward not talking for days on end to the people you work with so yes I do have to play extrovert just enough to keep things from tipping over into awkward land. No one every says anything worth breaking the silence for. Well every once in awhile somebody says something uselful or interesting but not often.
@@notjohn2672 oh my gosh you could be right about me being an intp...I never felt like I totally fell in the infj box. Thank you I'm happy to find my real personality trait finally. Every time I take the test I come out as being infj but maybe I don't know myself as much as I think I do.
@@Angel-gb9gi the tests aren't the best. If you want, try getting deeper into the functions (if you don't know them i also recommend looking into "objective personality" channel) INTPs do care, they still have Fe. most of the time they don't, though. Ask yourself if your biggest problems come from People (bobby said something mean) or Things (being on time etc)
Can someone please describe what a healthy ENFP looks like to me? bc every ENFP one I know is fickle, passive aggressive, and likes to put people down to make themselves feel better and im starting to hate the type and i dont want to lol -INFJ
a healty enfp is a bless! one of my favorite types, because they are fun people full of curiosity and they love to share their joy. They have a lot of empathy, they are lovely and cute ,mostly the girls and they know how to follow their plans , not like the messy infps🤣
@@kssgpv i see, maybe Ive just been dealt a bad hand. All that stuff seems to be superficial after a while, but I can see it being actually endearing if it was genuine. Thank you for taking the time to reply :)
I work in an ancillary department of about 6 people... give or take. I have already assessed the strengths and weaknesses of my coworkers. When I work in the evening... it is a "survival" aspect of getting work done before "clock out" time! So I look at who is there and, well, I sometimes feel like I have to tell them what to do ( even though I'm not the "boss" ). Otherwise.. I will go around like a "taskmaster" of a worker ant busting my butt getting everything done while my INFP and ISFP/J coworkers just stand there and wait to be approached. It is frustrating! In small work departments we have to learn to work together. Yeah, I'm an ESTJ. If I go through a work shift somewhat exhausted due to poor work ethic of my coworkers... I usually text my boss about it and/or wait until next time I see him.
As an INTP I think covert narcissist sounds right. I feel like we’re very smart people but we’re constantly plagued by apathy, depression, and laziness. We have these great ideas but we can’t properly articulate them or put them into practice. I can see how an INTP could fall into a “woe is me” mentality and use it to manipulate others. However, maybe this is just me but I don’t think I am charismatic enough to manipulate people like that.
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Thank you for another interesting video!
Timestamps:
2:03 ESTP
2:49 ISTP
3:37 ENFJ
4:47 ESFP
5:39 ENTJ
6:41 ISTJ
7:15 INTJ
8:04 ENTP
8:52 ESFJ
9:46 INFJ
10:31 ISFJ
11:13 ENFP
12:02 ESTJ
12:37 INFP
13:40 INTP
14:25 ISFP
ISFP?
@@jadinnipko5454 it's the last one
I'm waiting for the disclaimer: if you want a timestamp, you might be a narcissist 🤣🤣
Thank you!
Thx
1. Grandiose Narcissist
"I'm better than you, and I know it"
2. Malignant Narcissist
"I will do whatever it takes to get what I want"
3. Covert Narcissist
"I'm a great artist but the world never noticed my talent"
4. Communal Narcissist
"Look at all the great things I've done for the world!"
Oh no, I'm ALL OF THESE! XD
The way I'm 1,2 & 3!! - infp
I can relate to the grandiose, often feel that I have better knowledge/understanding/insight to others on many subjects. Usually because I do 😂. I'd go as far as to say I'm a lot more intelligent and knowledgeable than I initially portray myself and am often the wise man who acts the fool - preferring to unveil my superiority etc once I'm satisfied that the other party taken a false reading of me. I suppose that's a manipulation trait too. I'm not a dick about it and don't portray myself as better than people but quietly confident. I realise that I do have a small bit of narcissistic tenancy deep down but keep it in check to the best of my ability and I wouldn't say that it would be evident to others. I suppose we all do in one way or another if we're honest. ENTP.
Yeah this sounds about right
@@AlastorTheNPDemon you are the root of all evil (narcissits).
Just bc right after he explained them I forgot..
Grandiose- I’m better than you. And I know it
Malignant- I will do whatever it takes to get what I want.
Covert- I’m a great artist but the world never noticed my talent.
Communal- Look at all the great things I’ve done for the world.
good looks mate
Thank you. Had to start the video all over again in order to remember what's what.
thankss
Thx
I realized that I'm a covert narcissist, that sentence is always in my head.
The INTJ Council is pleased with your categorization and would like you to remember that "flattery will get you nowhere".
But is still nevertheless accepted, till it becomes annoying at least.
@@Slayer3264 Thank you. O Malevolent Treasurer.
INFP here and I've got to say that I fully agree with that statement.
@@IvoryTowerPodcast i just make it a habit to agree with INFPs, because I'm opportunistic, and INFPs have so many beneficial gifts.
@@blackoceancreativeuniverse As an INFP, I acknowledge your perceptiveness. Now please inform my INTJ boss of your learned strategy. It will do him a world of good. 😄
“You can get a long way in life by doing Se and Fe-like things” that is such a true statement
Me being Fe ignoring and Se blind :/
Kind of weird when you stop and think about it, most of the actual "value" being created is small things that won't get you paid very much. Even technical skills kind of have a ceiling where being good at marketing and sales really doesn't.
What’s an INFP
@@NoOne-wt6omare you INTP
I am an INFP and I tend to victimise myself sometimes (not narcissism but victim mentality). It’s not a good trait and I am working on it
the fact that you recognize that in yourself and want to change is half the battle! we all have our issues, it's nothing to be ashamed of. good on you for committing to self-improvement!
You’ll improve my friend!
I'm INFP and I do the same but if you recognise it you can challenge it. Sometimes you are a victim but it's not something to hold on too for to long. You can move forward with your life dispute of it.
But you we'll be able to overcome it. With time and practice. :)
@@dizzy388 thank you so much for your kindness. It means a lot ❤️
@@odst2247 thank you my friend 😃
me as an INFP seeing the title:
"ah, is it my time to shine?"
Bravo 😆
Unfortunately, it's not our day lol
-INTP
@@neriacassandrapalmes4619 I always rank high
"It is *MY* time to shine"
i knew from the moment the explanations of the 4 narcissistic types layed out XD
16 personalities being kidnapped and interacting with their kidnapper
Can't get it hahahaha😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
From:INTJ
"ENFPs are kind of always hard to place, actually."
That's because our minds take us wherever we're needed, even if we need to be narcissistic for the moment. We're true heroes and deserve some ice cream.
Chameleons. I had an ENFP boyfriend, he was the most passive aggressive person I've ever known.
Well said, well said ✨
@@3Zeppoli I had an ENFP girlfriend. Same experience. Also her character would change like water in different pots
@@Zohairshanteer Oh yeah, and if you address the issue then you're somehow trying to usurp their freedom and you must be taught a lesson. Idk why they think everyone is entranced by their "charm".
@@3Zeppoli literal narcissism.
He could have put ENFP in any of the categories and they would fit the description perfectly. ENFPs are divergent. The struggle of fitting everywhere and not knowing where to go because even though you can fit in everywhere, you don’t actually fit in completely anywhere is real with us ENFPs.
So true...
I think they'd fit into three of the categories - 1, 2 and 4. The third category is covert narcissism, which doesn't fit the ENFP type.
That being said, most people don't fit neatly into one type or another, so someone with strong ENFP qualities could display behaviors that partially overlap with covert narcissism.
You can see in the ranking that all the other covert types are introverted, and that's not a coincidence. Especially the EF combination makes it highly likely for narcissists to express their true intentions very openly, which is why all four EF types can be found under Grandiose and Communal.
@@ETBrooD I understand this, however, I think people greatly underestimate how introverted ENFPs can be. We are the most introverted extroverts. I would even dare to say, we are true ambiverts. Like for my test results, the only reason I ended up being typed as an extrovert is because I got 51% extroversion. That's almost 50-50! I am definitely more outgoing than most introverts and I can see why ENFPs might not normally fall into the covert type, but I do think certain ENFPs that live more in their introverted state then their extroverted state (perhaps due to cultural or environmental influences) would definitely fit into the covert type. ENFPs have Fi which allows them to mask their true feelings very well. A narcissistic ENFP may not be loud and grandiose, but may feel like an outcast which can lead to the "dejected artist" syndrome. Covert ENFPs would have victim mentalities and would use the combination of their functions to manipulate people to do their biddings for them. Remember that an unhealthy ENFP would be very manipulative. They would manipulate their victims into feeling like abusers and would seek pity or have this façade of being the victim to outsiders. A covert ENFP would put on a charming almost airheaded free-spirit façade for the world so that no one would ever believe their victims when they come forward about their abuse. Unhealthy Fi users are self-manipulating. They can easily drown themselves in the delusion that they are the subject of abuse, while they are in fact the abusers.
Well said. I always say Heath Ledger’s Joker is a perfect extreme example of an ENFP gone bad. A lot say he’s ENTP, but having Fi instead of Fe makes me lean towards Ne/Fi.
I only know 2 ENFPs that tested as ENFP. They aren't narcissistic but when they show narcissism, one fits communal. The other fits covert.
This is one of the few tier lists there XNTJs know they are most likely on top , but they are not proud of it
(Hi , INTJ here. I'm arrogant when it comes to my vision and data , but immense perfectionism keeps my ego go from top to bottom and back. It's really imbalanced and I somehow look more arrogant when I'm actually at my worst. The more I'm sure in myself the less aggressive I am to others.)
This is relatable. I think it's due to the fact that if we satisfy our Fi child, then we can mimick those good emotions in an Fe way as well. But if we can't satisfy Fi then we will mimick those bad emotions in an Fe way.
However, I still think that it's a higher proof for love if we try to be humble in relation to others when we are in a bad state as well. Because there's nothing special to treat others in a good way when you are in a good state.
It seems intj remain stable and healthy when they activate their Te parent before Fi child. When they are stuck in an Ni-Fi loop, however, they are illogically fixated on their opinions and use Te to extravert that. This seems consistent with your comment
@@lordepichax3755 I already predicted the conclusion that you wanted to project from the moment you said about being stuck in the loop.
I don't agree. What is illogical in my comment? I made no contradiction.
Or is it that your definition of illogicality is related to expressing feelings, even if they are expressed in a logical and non contradictory manner? Should I just abide by society superficial standards of what is deemed logical which it pertains only to being "cold" and "calculating"?
There are a lot of feelers who are cold and calculating including INFJs and they are far from being logical. Doorslamming you without even expressing their feelings as they don't even know their cause. Why? Because they don't submit their feelings to analysis. Their logic only gives them green light to their feelings without even analyzing them.
Thinkers, on the other hand, express feelings, as any humans. Only that they express it from a very mechanistic way as this is our way of functioning and understanding. Before we express our feelings, we submit them to long analysis and we give a sequential explanation for how and why we feel this way.
Feelers don't know where their feelings came from.
While thinkers know the reason for why they feel a certain way and can articulate it in a concise manner after they have delved deep in introspection.
There's no division between feelers and thinkers. Both use logic and feeling. And both processes are needed in interacting with our environment.
That's the kind of mentality that promotes being lazy and remaining in your ego instead of actually developing what you lack. The Ni-Fi "loop" as you call it. It does the opposite of that. It makes you more conscious and aware.
It's not that if you don't use it you are more logical. You are still human and you still experience feeling. It's that by being more conscious of it, you can actually direct it in a way that's conducive for your main way of being.
@@novaimperialis you seemed to have missed the point of my comment. Perhaps I did not make it clear enough. You've built an ivory tower of assumptions based on a misinterpretation of a comment. You first mistake was believing I responded to your comment instead of the original commenter. I admit I should have tagged the OP, but you could gleam from the context that it was not intended for you.
When I say "illogical" I'm saying that the intj will not do their due diligence in collecting facts, data, or strategizing before consulting Fi. In other words, they dont subject things they want/believe in to a form of logical assesment.
From my understanding, a healthy INTJ should weigh whatever Ni finds by Te logic, before integrating it into Fi. Should Fi be placed above Te, they find themselves locked in an introverted loop, hyperfocused on an inner ideal, that is narrow in its views, using Te in an offensive/defensive manner in service of that world. Therefore, INTJs caught in such loops are seen as arrogant.
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@@lordepichax3755 Alright, my bad. I was worried that it was the main commenter since you had no tag on your comment, and this happens when you reply to a main comment, but I wanted to clarify the misconception and the feeling vs thinking dichotomy. Because while it's true that they should be balanced, the auxiliary, of which you are referring to, is not used in a legitimate manner either. Most of the time is used as a defense mechanism. So that logical, cold and calculating attitude, it is in fact a defense mechanism. Which you pointed out as well and I agree with you.
Also, instead of saying logical and illogical maybe you should use objective and subjective.
I think that this is a more accurate representation of the thinking process.
It is true that it is Fi that activates the process(the socionics mobilizing function), but we get only an impression from it. Then, that impression is submitted to a long analysis, of which I mentioned in my last comment as well.
We use Fi as a way of establishing our priorities and our new destination.
By establishing our priorities, we establish our direction also, since those priorities form up our path, which has a final destination. Then the thinking process through thinking and intutition decides the probability and the validity of that direction. It's like we simply choose a direction, even tho, we don't commit to it entirely. We are flexible in changing it after seeing that it goes nowhere. However, it's true that we get very specific on the kind of information that could derail us from that direction.
Where does our subjectivity and objectivity is present in our thinking process?
Our subjectivity can be seen in the path that we choose, hence the role of the Fi mobilizing function which starts a process. Our objectivity can be seen in the process of testing that path to see if it is valid and changing it when necessary.
Since we are irrationals first(socionics intuitive perceiving), then our way of starting the process is subjective, but since we are also rationals second, then that means that our subjective view gets refined it becames more objective over time. Thinking second or Te auxiliary, in socionics, is defined as being the producing or result function.
So from what I gathered is that you can't be trully objective or logical if you don't first recognize your illogical and subjective human condition and worldview, to then move to a more objective and logical stance and view. So true objectivity remains an ideal for which you have to fight, but in order to even start the process of becaming or trying to reach it, it requires you to aknowledge your subjectivity first.
I hope that I explained the process in an understandable manner.
Also, are you an INTP or Ti dom by any chance? If so, can you describe your process as well?
My soon to be in-laws are both narcissists: my mother-in-law is an ESFJ, and the best example of a malignant narcissist I've ever met; my father-in-law is an INTP, and a covert narcissist. When I first met them they seemed like the perfect, flawless family - then they turned out to be the most dysfunctional one I can think of.
All the best...lol😣
Red flags
Aaah, being dysfunctional is our second nature (INTP)
Good luck! Don't spend your energy on such people unless absolutely necessary! My MIL is a malignant narcissist, but hasn't aged well. Now in her 80s she's too frail to engage in her emotional vampirism, and no one in the family wants to take care of her because she was so awful all these years. Not even her own children! She is such the narcissist that she never imagined there'd be consequences for her behavior.
Yikes.. I’m replying to all the comments and all the replies btw.
I'm ISFJ and I have a friend that's INFJ and we were talking about our types and what we have in common as well as what we have that's different. I told her that if I had a psychotic break, I would be the type that would try to kill off the source of my frustration whereas she would try to create a cult! So I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment!
The insidious part is that it's often not that obvious. I've met two narcissistic isfjs now, and with both it would be impossible to convince them they're hurting people, because they're so focused on how they're good and everyone keeps hurting them. It's truly unfortunate how the functions line up in an isfj. They ignore their Fi, and because they're both Fe Dom's and si Dom's, both of which are community minded functions, they can be quite destructive while never realizing it.
Oh God the cults! Been interacting with other INFJs for the past three years and they give off some horrible vibes in this manner.
As an INTP I feel like ISFJs have their functions in the "wrong" order .. 🤣🤣🤣
@@feigekatarina5745 I can see how that could happen if an ISFJ is mentally unhealthy. Thankfully I'm not an unhealthy ISFJ and I have learned to utilize my Si to better care for myself. My Si enables me to make connections with past experiences and make decisions based on my past experiences. If I'm going down a path that's similar to what I have done before and it leads me to having a mental breakdown I modify how I react so I don't have to repeat the same mistakes. I'm also aware that I can't care for other people if I don't care for myself so I have learned to prioritize my health so I'm more capable of caring for others.
@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 I can see your argument, but if we had them in the "right" order we would no longer be ISFJs and there would be more INTPs and you would no longer be a rare personality type XD
The the only channel that strikes me as 100%authoritative yet 100% hilarious at the same time. INFJ.🙂
I like his vibe and I know not a lot do (INTP)
I agree (INTJ)
I find that actual narcissists can be hard to type, because the quest for narcissistic supply supersedes all other motivations for them. Really severe narcissism is an outer shell with a lot of chaotic mess underneath.
The function order of ENTJs is literally the formula for acquiring narcissistic or Machiavellian traits. It actually takes great effort to not develop these traits. It's a myth that ENTJs do not understand emotions- they are very good at manipulating them. They just don't value it as much as logic. An inferior Fi means that the little emotion they feel, is their own. It takes great attention to detail to hold them accountable because it takes a lot to break through the elaborate plans and calculations of the Ni and catch them in a lie. It's worse than ESTJs because usually ENTJs have an ulterior motive- they don't just want power for the sake of it, they actually want to bring their agenda to fruition too. If that agenda is literally "One Nation Underwood" then there's no way out.
Edit- I edited this comment because people are confusing this as saying "ENTJs are inherently evil". I am one myself, so that would be an odd take on the matter. Because of the emotional disconnect, an ENTJ may develop Mach or Narc traits faster than others. That's just a tendency, choices are our own. Even after developing those traits, what to do with those traits is once again, our choice.
I consider also my inf Fi personally as what makes me want to keep improving and pushing myself :) It’s obvious that ENTJs are not monsters with no feelings
@@sophiezhang7258 Well, of course we're not monsters. I have a hard time making people understand that I feel things too, I just don't let my feelings guide my judgement. But I will be lying if I say that I don't have a tendency to subvert rules and regulations in order to achieve something. I'm just talking about the tendency, whether we choose to act on it or not is upto us.
@@madhushrutimukherjee sometimes rules are actually immoral, so in that case I recommend breaking them. ;) (INFJ here). Anyway, when an ENTJ cares about the collective good, I firmly support them being in a leadership position because they'll steer the ship extremely well.
@@EmpressTarotGabbyTurner Well. I don't exactly care about morality or ethics(going by their traditional definitions)- I'm more of a utilitarian. Whatever doesn't serve the broader utilitarian purpose must be abolished. So rules which are there for the sake of it annoy the hell out of me. And I don't exactly break rules- I subvert them. Find out loopholes and squeeze through them- which means I get to point out the futility of the rules without getting in trouble with authority. (None of these rules that I mentioned actually protect any persons from harm that me subverting them would cause harm to someone- if they did, they would actually have a purpose, which they don't.)
I disagree with you as an ENTJ I can confirm that many stereotypes are false and the some of the understanding of the ENTJ functions are very wrong and misunderstood.The fi inferior means that they are actually insecure about whether or not they are a good person because they are afraid that they aren’t the fi inferior means that they are slightly out of touch with their “selves” so it’s hard for them to know what they are feeling and if they are doing the right thing so it’s usually the fi inferior that keeps the ENTJ sane and not a bad person furthermore it’s the reason why they don’t care what others think of their moral principles because they are too busy trying to be a good person.The function order of ENTJs isn’t actually a formula for Machiavellians other wise the world would’ve ended long ago but it could sometimes take a dark turn in some people and reflect as dictatorship or an overly controlling person or a very ambitious person that would do anything to get what they want (that doesn’t always make them a bad person).
xNTJs are gonna be high for sure
We are so misunderstood
×nfj far more, I believe
ENTJ girls are hot regardless
@@samueleparo4828 xNFJs are saintly and holier than thou, but they're rarely ever forceful. They're people manipulators, that's the level they function on, so putting them on the Communal category is exactly correct.
As we should be.
I feel like ENTJs already know where they stand even before watching 😂
Same for INTJs lmao
As an INFJ I would’ve almost gone for the Covert Narcissist label if it would’ve read, “I am a great artist but the world never noticed ME.” For me that’s where the loneliness kicks in. People love what I do for them, but no one really knows me or seeks me out for anything else. Sometimes it honestly feels like a side act at a circus but I don’t even get paid for it.
DAMN, felt on a spiritual level. Im exposed, esp the circus and unpaid/unappreciated part. we do it all along and we'd keep doing it for like no end.
@@lvt3507 That IS the sad part. Isn’t it? The fact that we’d keep going no matter what. So sorry this has been your reality as well. It’s lonely out here.
As an infj felt every word there.. but can we see this like we only do this coz.. we are the one capable of doing good deeds without getting paid for it,the pain…, that only can be endured by us ,and we are willing to pay the price. Then why look at that as our weakness instead of beauty, just remember to use that for all humanity instead of one individual
@@rishabharya1072 I think boundaries and learning how to use those properly plays a huge part in all of it. Unfortunately, I’ve never been able to get that part quite right. So you may have a very good point here about a more widespread impact. It would sure as heck attract narcissistic people a lot less that way!
I only came to see myself at the top once again. Glad we can agree on my supremacy. Work well done.
- a grandiose entp female.
I second that
-a grandiose estp female
grandiose enfp here
😂As an ENTP, we knew we would be there at top somehow😂
As a self-aware ISTP I think ISTPs might be atleast a likely-high likely. I think? Probably.
Edit: Oh wait it's about the most likely type of narcissism nvm
Oh, its about types? I was feeling kinda confused here now i know why..
Should I be acting surprised? -Entj
We already knew that was going to be there, didn't we?
I love how most types get a detailed description of where they belong, but XNTJ is just "Yup, those guys go there."
ENFPs as usual are hard to place.
My brain: yeah we are! Because we're so multidimensional and awesome! Damn. Am I a narcissist?
Begins worrying positive self talk has back fired.
INFJ me: a misanthrope humanitarian.
Great breakdown of the types of narcissism as well. Useful & perceptive. And as usual, your humor & observations are spot on
I think it's worth noting that narcissism is kind of a personality in itself (a dysfunctional one). So, even when different types might present different narcissistic traits, personally my take away is that everyone can have negative traits/ behaviors. All of this is made even more complicated by the fact that even within types there will be variations between individuals (duh).
So, don't worry to much. Everyone is flawed
-INTJ with some vitriol towards the stereotype
I would formulate it a bit more extreme, though ultimately it probably means the same.
I would say that probably everyone HAS negative traits, but some people are better at negating them than others.
@@9SMTM6 I would imagine that's a matter of individual improvement. That and the effectiveness of negating one's worse traits would likely vary between methods. (Repression only lets things festers, self-reflection requires commitment to new behaviors, I'm sure you can think of more
Agreed.. I see these narcissistic people as broken.. they can not function as designed and therefore could arise from any type .. INTJ, still learning MBTI, the good, bad and ugly.
Why would I be worried about other people being better?! And want them NOT to be?
THAT is narcissistic. And dumb/self-destructive.
I want to be surrounded by (much) better/healthier people!
As an ENFP watching this with an ESTP dad and ENTP sister…..true :,(
Yes, as an ENTP, with an ENTP brother and an ESTP mum, this is true too😂
I haven’t watched it yet, but I know ENTJ is gonna be over likely. Malignant narcissist-
Spoiler: Got it right :) Tho I did see myself in the Grandiose category as well 😎
ENTJs are scary, man.
@@CaveyMoth I don’t think I’m scary tho :)
@@sophiezhang7258 EEP! I'm scurred.
@@sophiezhang7258 I am scary, but I like it. :3
@@madhushrutimukherjee I consider myself to be adorable :) jk everyone around me thinks i’m some kind of evil boss
1 second in and I already know what this is going to look like 😂
-INTJ
I used to be friends with a narcissist INTJ and your placement is pretty spot on. Legit, once I was no longer useful in providing them with ego boosts and started questioning their motives, they told me I didn't care about them and that I was horrible person. Peace out Narc. XD
The ISTP analysis was on point.
"An extreme ENTJ narcissist could be a literal dictator"
"I am pretty sure there have been quite a lot of them, actually"
*We have been called out*
As an ISTP I can confirm at least with me, that the meaning of life is rarely ever an organically recurring question in my mind. I'm in the here and now and just do what I do when necessary or interesting.
If asked about the meaning of life, there are two practical answers:
1)We are here by chance and therefore everything is fundamentally meaningless and any meaning you and I derive is simply one's moral aesthetic/vanity.
2) or there is some superior/overarching purpose to existence/the universe, and therefore we must confront that truth and live by/against it as your perceived free will dictates.
Assuming that we're talking about a secular ISTP, the first answer makes the most sense and is also the least restrictive mindset in simply allowing the present tense. In all earnestness, do what you want and I'll do what I want, tit for tat. We aren't *really* any more special than the other... But I'm still more special, just watch.
I think a good example of a narcissistic ENFP is Rhett (Rhett/Link) He may not be considered a raging, terrible narcissist, but he and Link (INFP) both scored pretty high on the narc test when they did it years ago and Rhett admits he has issues with narcissism. Enneagram 3, high achiever, bored Ne/Fi, etc.
It’s nice that he’s honest about his flaws, at least.
My mom is a narcissist who loves to debate. You must agree with her. She will even do this to the extent of your emotional and mental well being. I have never typed her well because I'm pretty new this. I'm an INFP. Covert narcissist sounds about right. I like this because it can help you identify which kind of narcissist you are dealing with.
That sounds rough. Take care of yourself 💗🌷
@@LilacSnowBun I'm an adult now and keep her at a distance. However I hate debating anything. Discussions are far more effective.
I consider myself mostly an ISTP, and I think your quite right being with a nihilistic to others and a covert narcissism, sometimes I see that exactly point you mentioned in myself 😂
As an INTP, I like to systematize, organize and use engineering concepts.
Here's what I propose as a way to arrange MBTI types, according to their (likely) ego-maniacal tendencies:
Grandiose: ExxP.
Malignant: ExxJ.
Covert: IxxP.
Communal: IxxJ.
As an ENTP I’m going to disagree with you, for example: I can’t see an ENFJ/ESFJ so blatantly announcing his ruthless cunningness. They’re social creatures, people driven, actions and and announcements like these are only gonna stray them from society.
Next I’m going to tell you how i think you should have argued this/how I would have argued this,
People forget that MBTI started off of the 8 Jungian functions, letters like E, S or T are all just consequences of the functions and are therefore not really the main focal point and henceforth should not be the main judging criteria.
Perhaps by displaying all the types functions and narcissism types we could find a trend and establish some correlations, and maybe after some deep diving and analysis, causation. You, my good friend and I counterpart, are one of the best people suited for this (dom Ti and aux Ne).
But I won’t engage is this matter,
I’m going to go pour myself a sangria.
Idk why, but i think if rate of narcissistic is True,what happen?
Btw,as I read as i know INTP not too much struggle to organize ppl,but create a system/theory. Thats why entp/intp have NE right?(don't be procrastinating, entp/intp)
From:INTJ 👿 enneagram type 1
@@bambangkusuma9296 Ne helps establish patterns, and moreover are able to categorize people better. But the actual uniting of the people is best suited to someone like the ENFJ or ENTJ, at least, that’s how I would think
I’m an istj and I think we fit better in the grandiose section... I’m not sure about everyone else but I’ve definitely thought that I was better than some people at some point...
As a fellow istj I agree lol
Tbh, as an ISTJ, after years of school/college group works, It's hard not to think you're better than others when most people around you just seem stupid, lazy or incompetent. I think we just don't seem like it because we don't speak our thoughts, but I've jugded myself as better than others way too many times. But yeah it's a work in progress lol
@@giomanda wow I have called people lazy and incompetent so many times (in my head ofcourse) you are absolutely correct!! Also, it’s fascinating knowing I’m not the only person who thinks this way hehe thanks ;)
As an ENTJ I fit in the first two categories,I mean I like attention and praise and I go after what I want but in a healthy way....I hope.
Us ENTJ are probably more likely to just be a Machiavellian than narcissist
@@mysteryjunkie9808 I don't know what that means but agreed😂
@@mysteryjunkie9808 Disagree. They are way too straight forward to be underhanded and sneaky.
INTJ and I can't imagine caring enough to be malignant... then again surprisingly, gender does play a factor in narcissism rates
I can't imagine not playing the game. It's not about caring, after all; it's about gain. Though i guess this leans more towards a psychopathic mindset rather than pure narc.
ISTP-A here and I can see my self being covert when I read it first. But my self-esteem will not allow me to get that level of confidence.
Interesting take
As soon as you explained grandiose narcissists, I thought "oh I might have a tendency there!"😂🙊 -ENTP
Who else wants him to make a difference between istp and isfp video? No one? Just me?
Fi - Se vs Ti - Se
They are not really similar. Maybe ISXP musicians seem similar , but types are not similar at all.
Fi and Ti are so different, it's not even hard to differentiate them.
Compare Ti doms with one another or Fi doms
Imma start answering the phone “Hello, how can you help me today?” Just kidding. I never answer the phone. -intj. ☠️🌷
My step-father is an ENFJ narcissist. You don't see it coming, they put on a persona to trap their victim only to drop it later on, also the ti inferior is a real insecurity for them ; because he (I can only talk for him) has such a big need for approval he will go out of his ways to explain to you why he's right (and you wrong) and you'll have to give him praise for being oh-so-holy...
Oh god that sounds like my foster mother, who took me in so I can think of her as a god like creature. Often making me feel bad for not being thankful enough and being entitled, because I didn't praise her enough. Then she talked about all the great things she did with me ( that she didn't actually do ) and later dropped me in front of a childrenshome, when I was about to become a teenager, because teenagers talk back and are exhausting....But she loves me soooooo much.... yeah. They are awful, because no one can imagine how they could do you any harm....
@@danika9411 Oh my god that's terrible, I hope you are doing ok despite all this shit that's been thrown at you... but yeah they're the worst because they know perfectly well who they are malipulating (my step-father took a huuge credit to pretend for years he was financially stable, until the mariage) and there's the loneliness because many don't believe it, yet all they do is for the appearances, but wow taking in a child only to drop them later like it's a pet really sounds like the most egoistical thing to do.. wishing you all the best, good that you at least know that she was the one to blame for her behavior
Nathan, did you hear about the UToronto study done highlighting the correlation between narcissism and distinct eyebrows? 😉
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When you're an ENTP and just know by the title your type is going to be at the top
But there's no top in this list!
The nihilism and misanthropy for ISTPs (at least for me) is spot on.
I don’t think ISTP are nihilist but more like a realist. Its just that most people seems to have a hard time accepting reality.
Doesn’t help that ISTP doesn’t talk much to people who agrees with them either… you know, there’s not a lot to talk about when people just agrees with you.
I guess you are using the words "realism" and "reality" in their colloquial meaning of a pragmatic and 'no nonsense' attitude towards life, and no idealism towards human nature. In that case I agree with your comment entirely. Otherwise, if you're using the words in their philosophical meaning, you kinda claimed to have access to the ultimate nature of reality, which is a claim not even quantum physics can make
@@marcodallolio9746 Its unrealistic to assumed that anyone would have access to the ultimate nature of reality.
WTF is the ultimate nature of reality anyways? Anyone who claimed to know such things are probably trying to separated you from your wealth…
@@tonamg53 I agree, nobody can have an objective and empirically demonstrable access to the nature of reality. We've been debating over it for millennia, and probably keep debating as long as the species is around.
However, even if inaccessible, everybody subscribes to a model of reality, whether they are aware of it or not, and this model is based on an idea of what reality is ultimately made of, in other words its ultimate nature. Even if you pay no mind to silly philosophical speculations, you still assume reality is made of something.
These days, in western cultures, this model is mostly materialism, the idea that the ultimate nature of reality is matter. For buddhists, for example, mind is the ultimate nature of reality instead. There are a lot of other possible positions, one of which is nihilism, if you assume at the basis of reality there is nothing. So, back to your original comment, you were right, technically you can't be a nihilist and a realist at the same time
@@marcodallolio9746 I think most people got the “actual reality” mixed up with what their mind see as “reality”.
Our brain perceived the actual reality and then “adjusted it” automatically into our own version which we are willing to accept. (basically its cognitive bias)
So everyone probably have their own version of reality which will be slightly different with the actual reality. If it differ too far from reality, then that what most people would called “delusional”.
So there is probably only a single reality that existed in the actual nature. It is what it is.
How each person interprets the actual nature of reality, will be different.
I’m just trying to see it as it is, as much as possible. I think it can helps us to made more informed decision.
I'm an ISTP, nihilism, I think we tend to be very disagreeable people with comes off as nihilistic.
I think it depends where one is in life, When I had depression I was highly nihilistic, now I am a realist optimist, in that order.
Nihilism is very abstract, are you sure you are an istp?
@@ashuranero5721 explain
@@lavolpe8525 ISTPs are concrete people, it does therefore make no sense if these kind of people would think about things like the menaing of life. This is more an INTJ thing and Nihilism is unfortunatly also an INTJ thing
@@ashuranero5721 I'll be polite and say "stereotype's do not dictate reality" we have to believe something so it is foolish to think that we would not do so, we arrive there by logical avenues, its an INTJ's position to dwell on it where as ISTP's reach a conclusion until something comes up that would force a reconsideration. Nihilism is the belief in nothing after death, a very ISTP thought pattern. are you an INTJ?
you never miss.
Listening to a lot of true crime, I've pondered the effect of cognitive type on personality disorders and roughly correlated your list to Extraverts, Thinkers, Introverts, Feelers, so love this more nuanced approach 💛
(I passed this theory by Dr Grande but he failed to confirm or deny. Bad Dr Grande.)
"Anyone can be a narcissist... *if they try hard enough..."*
INTP: A'ight I'ma head out.
The fact that you said that enfps are tricky to categorize fed my ego thanks
Depending how neurotic the ENFP is, I could see us as covert too, because we can be people pleasers and want to be liked. So a narc ENFP would no want to be found out.
Coming from an ISTP, yeah I can be a but nihilistic, when it matches reality. For example life isnt meaningless to the one living it, but in the grand terms of the universe everything is pointless. Also very pessemistic.
As a istp we groom everyone else to make them feel at ease. In reality we view them as nothing more then "vertical cadavers", we will fain weakness to get closer to you so that our first strike will break multiple bones ! In essence your just a food source for us !
My intj friend has the biggest ego Ive ever seen in my entire life out of anyone I've ever met. My twin brother is entj but I feel as though Ive seen much more narcissistic intjs. Every once in a while I kind of have to put him in his place because he gets so out of control with it.
Lol...i had one in my life i considered was my bff...until i realized there wasnt enough room for the 2 of us in that head of his 🤣😂...i still like intj's though
My ESTJ father was a full-on malignant narcissist. I say 'was' because he's softened up and improved somewhat with age, as some people do, though some of those tendencies remain in more subtle incarnations. He comes from a family filled with narcissists, as most narcissists do, and was the first among them to have enough of a sliver of self-awareness - not about the narcissism itself but about some of the destructive behaviors it caused - to work at some self-improvement, though not before spending decades abusing everyone around him.
Even before watching I knew I’d be high up there as an ESFP 😂
Well since you asked for ISTPs to comment on nihilism: depends on the type of nihilism. I think of myself as a believer of Existentialism but in my more cynical moments I lean toward Existential nihilism.
Narcissisticly speaking; In my teens I might've leaned towards Grandiose Narcissism. I want to believe I have shed any narcissistic notions, but who knows, maybe that is the narcissist speaking.
Intjs are really scary when (because?) they're evil without grasping the core concept or having any fun with it. Source: intj mom
😂😂😂
I'm one too 😏
I have an INTJ dad. He can be colder than absolute zero at times.
I bet Elon Musk had an INTJ father too. That's probably why he broke down in tears when talking about him.
"I can do no wrong, because I do not know what it is."
But not having any fun with it is not true for all of us. The end justifies the means, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it.
8:45 “ENTPs are just good at everything”
Yeah I get that a lot. Lots of people who are jealous that I can do everything and be good at all of it. I’m probs a narcissist. 😂
Initial reaction when seeing this video. "Oh my goodness! He actually did it! He took my suggestion!" (Lol, you might not have, it's just ironic for me suggesting this in the comments and then having it happen.)
As an INFJ, I've been only a Malignant Narcissist before.
Contrary to stereotypical INFJ roles, I've led projects before (due to Fi energy when alone).
When I need help from others, I sometimes unintentionally come out as passive aggressive or perfectionist. But when you really look at it, it's like I'm just being a needy person.
Grandiose Narcissist? Nope.
Never underestimate anyone. Even if your guts are correct. Always be cautious...
Covert Narcissist? Maybe, but not really.
I just do whatever I want and hope that people will notice me. Doesn't matter if the fame doesn't come right away, but I know it will as time passes (as a TH-camr that is...).
Communal Narcissist? Definitely not.
Thanks to the sensitive internet, having to be or do something to be eligible is stupid.
We don't have to prove every single thing just to justify our actions & minding our own business.
Might have put ESFJ in Covert rather than Communal,but otherwise, this feels spot-on.
Yeah I can see that malignant thing... sometimes I predict too far in the future and then wind up wondering if I caused it by just imagining the possibility.
"Did I accidentally plan all of this out or did I just see it coming from a mile away?"
Also anyone else looking at that discord invite and internally debating whether or not it's worth it when you're probably going to become a lurker anyway? Lol.
I love the way you make us INTPs wait 😂
Though when describing the type of narcissists, for the coverts, passive-aggressiveness was mentioned so I knew already where we are heading :)
The first type that popped into my head was ESTP
I’m a grandiose narcissist and whenever i take the personality test I always got the result aa “ISTJ” however I’m feeling like I’m an INTJ
ENFP -enamored with their own talents and appearance. They want to be revolutionary..but it's really about them. so true
I´m INTP and I fit in every description, specially in malignant and convert
I think the best example of a possibly narssisistic infp I've ever seen is the Phantom of the opera, especially his book incarnation
I went straight to the comment section.
I know a Grandiose ISFP and a MALIGNANT ENFP. The ISFP man hated when people gravitated towards my when he intentionally created or facilitated a platform with the goal of making himself look good. The ENFP man is my best friend but he tends to bulldoze people with his 3rd slot TE, especially in team work style environments. He’s also very judgemental with his FI parent.
I've experienced an enfj communal narcissist ans it was the worst
High Fe- strong ties to communal
High Ti, Fi, Si- strong ties to covert
High Te- strong ties to malignant
High Se, Ne- strong ties to grandiose
High Ni- who knows??? 😂
as an INFP, I often had a problem with ISTJs with various reason... but the recent one is clearly made me facepalmed as the symptoms are clearly a narcissist. But... the description being covert one isn't 100% true, at least for my case. The ISTJ that I met online was a grandiose type. Which I mistake them as confidence, at first... maybe depending on the parents type too? Or maybe the grandiose ISTJ that I met is only the online version yet the reality is a covert? Hmmm 🤔
Do a similar video about perfectionism.
“Malignant narcissist”? More like, sigma grindset baby let’s go.
I've been getting tons of recommendations for videos about Narcissism in the last couple of months. I wonder why.
I’ve noticed quite a few memes are being pushed - narcissism, tiny homes, rv-living, renovations, and others. I am thinking they are meant to entertain/distract us from what matters most - God. ✝️
I'm istp and I don't like narcissistic types at all.
Wile you were describing INFP’s as a failed artist, all I could think of was Squidward
The idea of the video is soo cool and creative !
As an ISTP I like Rick and Morty for their nihilistic philosophy pushed partially into absurdity.
Malignant Narc seems like the most authentic kind🤣❤⚡
Haven't watched yet but I've a feeling I'm going to be told Im narcissistic - I would just call it confidence, and knowing I'm like superior, but do as you will - ENTP
Can you accept that some one else is right and you are wrong, and you have no impact on them being right?
I wouldn't think you are. Confidence is different to being narcissistic. Believe that your better then everyone can just be ego. It's more about how you process and deal with information.
@@Hoot_hoot777 i be joking, mate, don't take it too seriously😂
Here's a suggestion for another video, Nathan. How would each of the personality types save the world or what do each of the types think/feel needs to happen in order to save the world?
For my own part as an INTJ, I would say remove all the morons ie. humans. I bet my INFP brother would say, "If everyone was just nice to each other". And ST types would say "if everyone did what was right ie. followed the rules".
Sorry didnt pick up anything you were saying too focused on your eyebrows.
This could’ve just as easily been called : most likely to be a cat and it’d probably have gotten more engagement that way 😂
What are the chances that you are a slytherine as well? -curious ENTP
I absolutely see what you're doing here and I kind of ask for something a few days ago but I think this is an older video and I like what you're doing so you might have already implemented these plans I am intj and I know I need to learn how the entj works and understand it that's where I roll in my punches you are probably one of the best TH-cam channels besides Frank James I completely adore everything you put out
It's good to be not 🏜
Wow. Dude, this is so insightful I cannot even explain. It includes pointing me in the right direction. 1 million likes.
I'm glad you mentioned INFJs could maybe fit in as covert narcissists
that's where i thought i could fit the best when you were explaining the categories
Being an infj I am not a user or a manipulator but I sometimes give 0 care to others not trying to be mean but just not interested in other lives and a little too involved with my own life so I'm self absorbed but not a bragged or a show off I don't even have a face book and if I was rich and had the best life experiences I still would not have a face book. I just live in my own head, my own life and I don't usually care to hear about yours unless it's useful info or has meaning that I'm searching for. So what is that called?
@@Angel-gb9gi thats called being an intp
@edit in all seriousness, I also act like that sometimes and that is not a bad way to be. However, i also know it's important playing the tribe game and caring. Even if it's not geniune, fake caring is still very important
@@notjohn2672 I play the tribe game as well and will ask about a co workers day even though I don't care to know just to seem normal like everyone else. I could go forever without wanting to know but it sure gets awkward not talking for days on end to the people you work with so yes I do have to play extrovert just enough to keep things from tipping over into awkward land. No one every says anything worth breaking the silence for. Well every once in awhile somebody says something uselful or interesting but not often.
@@notjohn2672 oh my gosh you could be right about me being an intp...I never felt like I totally fell in the infj box. Thank you I'm happy to find my real personality trait finally. Every time I take the test I come out as being infj but maybe I don't know myself as much as I think I do.
@@Angel-gb9gi the tests aren't the best. If you want, try getting deeper into the functions (if you don't know them i also recommend looking into "objective personality" channel)
INTPs do care, they still have Fe. most of the time they don't, though. Ask yourself if your biggest problems come from People (bobby said something mean) or Things (being on time etc)
Love your videos!
I think the things you said about ISTP are true for me to some extent.
Can someone please describe what a healthy ENFP looks like to me? bc every ENFP one I know is fickle, passive aggressive, and likes to put people down to make themselves feel better and im starting to hate the type and i dont want to lol -INFJ
a healty enfp is a bless! one of my favorite types, because they are fun people full of curiosity and they love to share their joy. They have a lot of empathy, they are lovely and cute ,mostly the girls and they know how to follow their plans , not like the messy infps🤣
@@kssgpv i see, maybe Ive just been dealt a bad hand. All that stuff seems to be superficial after a while, but I can see it being actually endearing if it was genuine. Thank you for taking the time to reply :)
Anyone else just skip to the end to see the full results for videos like these?
As an INFP, I can say that is very accurate
I work in an ancillary department of about 6 people... give or take. I have already assessed the strengths and weaknesses of my coworkers. When I work in the evening... it is a "survival" aspect of getting work done before "clock out" time! So I look at who is there and, well, I sometimes feel like I have to tell them what to do ( even though I'm not the "boss" ). Otherwise.. I will go around like a "taskmaster" of a worker ant busting my butt getting everything done while my INFP and ISFP/J coworkers just stand there and wait to be approached. It is frustrating! In small work departments we have to learn to work together. Yeah, I'm an ESTJ. If I go through a work shift somewhat exhausted due to poor work ethic of my coworkers... I usually text my boss about it and/or wait until next time I see him.
As an INTP I think covert narcissist sounds right. I feel like we’re very smart people but we’re constantly plagued by apathy, depression, and laziness. We have these great ideas but we can’t properly articulate them or put them into practice. I can see how an INTP could fall into a “woe is me” mentality and use it to manipulate others.
However, maybe this is just me but I don’t think I am charismatic enough to manipulate people like that.
I have a doubt regarding ISTP being a covert narcissist.
Same
covert "seemingly quite symathetic, looking like they need to be looked after which is a mistake" how dare you :(