But when the pellet is light it will not reserve too much energy for the target even though its speed will be much more from the barrel but it will decrease more than the lead or heavy pellet with the friction of air and also will not have the same accuracy because of the air friction and its light. Second as you said the steel will damage the barrel also the platinium maybe since its more solid than the lead.
Tin, considering the most common alloy being a tin and copper mixture is far more superior to lead on an environmental basis. Yes you are still putting some form of metal into nature, but lead is really nasty stuff. I do however agree that replacing parts of the pellet with plastics sounds like a really dumb idea to me and would most likely lead to another ban soon enough. Overall this video has been informative although I've only shot lead free pellets as I've come to the hobby quite recently. But back to the topic of tin versus lead. Tin metal poisoning specifically has been tested and deemed "almost unknown" (you cannot 100% rule out the possibility). Tin has widespread uses in the food industry and foodsafe tin alloys have been in use for decades now. Lead on the other hand has been known for bad properties since well over a century now. Even as far back as 1920 when leaded gasoline was invented, lead was known for it's negative properties to human health. (which didn't stop the oil companies from using it. Whoopsie). Same goes for lead pellets. Lead pellets are so much easier to produce and people tend to think it somehow safe simply because they haven't died yet. Water companies used leaded pipes because it was easier, etc etc. Sometimes I really wonder how our species has survived up to this point.
Thanks for your comment 😊👍🏼 Yes lead is nasty stuff and yet still used so commonly. I think the rushed ban on lead for shooting is being pushed through too little blindly (like with many new environmental measures these days). Most of the lead pollution from shooting is from actual firearms not air rifles, so we air gun users are being dragged on for the ride. I don’t disagree that there is an issue with lead pollution, but better policy and better lead-free alternatives are required. Especially as many of the lead free pellets are harder than lead and the barrels of air rifles weren’t designed for them. We’ll see over time the impact of this. Yes the lead in fuel seems crazy now. Its impact on violent crime was very interesting. I have started to think of wearing gloves when handling my lead pellets these days, to limit my exposure. I agree Tin is much safer. I do wonder if dumping large quantities if it into the environment will have some effect though. I think shooters/shooting ranges should be responsible to collect the spend shot and dispose of it correctly. Interesting to hear your thoughts on this. All the best 😊👍🏼
@@GreeklishOutdoors wow there is a lot to unpack here :) But you asked for my views, so here goes :) Being pushed too blindly. I have to disagree, lead free has been available for air rifles for a good while now. There has to come a point when you have to move forward, otherwise you will be held back far too long. (like those using imperial measurements for example*) As for damage to the barrel. The reason full metal jacket bullets were invented is to enable higher fire rates with higher reliability. mainly because lead deposited too much metal in the barrel. And I hardly believe air rifle barrels are made significantly different from regular guns, so damage? I don't think so. Okay, the ammo itself might not be lead free, but the outer part is. So I'm led to believe lead does actually do more damage to the barrel. Either way proper maintenance is key :) Wearing gloves? Yeah it might be a good thing, but then again, if you are aware of the whole lead thing, why would you even risk it? If I go plinking I might shoot 100 pellets in a day, 200 if I'm really having fun. So that's a 5 bucks difference at most for the brand I'm using. The rifle itself was a lot more expensive hahaha. Anyway, I make enough to justify spending a few bucks more on pellets. As for now my grouping is "good enough" that I can't blame my pellets, but perhaps in the future I might spend some time researching other brands. As I know you will probably ask :) My current rifle is a Diana Stormrider .22 no scope. Just a nice entry level rifle that has provided me with a lot of fun. * you know I had to make that joke ;)
@patrickd9551 Good points, well made 😁👍🏼 The reason I’ll use my lead pellets is that I have about 30 tins of the stuff (many different types) and it’s too much for me to waste/replace. As I capture and dispose of my spend pellets responsibly, I’ll shoot until I’m out. With regards to damaging the barrel, I read a couple of articles in the past that mentioned it. Although Tin is fairly malleable, the steel based pellets might offer a lot more wear. However, your full-metal jacket argument is logical. Nice rifle. I’ve thought about a PCP rifle for the future, but the air compressor look expensive. I too don’t use a scope, but it’s not out of choice. Scope on air rifles are illegal here in Greece 😵💫 Imperial measurements? I’ve been criticised for not using them by an American viewer 😂🤦🏻♂️ You can’t please everyone 😊👍🏼
@@GreeklishOutdoors Shot an agouti with an alloy pellet think it was an aluminum mix, when I got back home to prepare it, the meat in the area where the shot entered was terribly discolored, never seem anything like it, it spoiled the meat, I will never use an alloy to hunt food again, lead or dead. Great analyze though.👉👍
Naturally it is found as an ore e.g. anglesite and trace amounts are pretty harmless. Pure lead is rarely found in nature. Unfortunately when it is refined is fairly toxic, especially when you exposed to it long term, as it accumulates in your body. I think the issue with lead pollution, is us dumping it in an unnatural form into the environment, which can lead to toxicity in humans and other animals. If shooters reduced their waste e.g. collected spent ammo, this risk could be reduced. I’ll still be shooting what lead pellet stocks I still have, but I have collectors behind the targets so I can dispose of the pellets responsibly. 😊👍🏼🔫
And if the fishermen don't use lead either, and there is a better alternative than lead, then I will switch to it...And I think plastic pollution is a much bigger problem in the world!
Yes I think you may have a point. They are just making it more difficult to shoot. There’s still pollution from the plastic and tin pellets. Like with many new ‘environmental’ laws, they are just changing the pollutant 😊👍🏼
This was super interesting, thank you for sharing!
Thank you very much 😊🙏🏼👍🏼
I'll go and buy another dozen boxes of LEAD pellets!
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But when the pellet is light it will not reserve too much energy for the target even though its speed will be much more from the barrel but it will decrease more than the lead or heavy pellet with the friction of air and also will not have the same accuracy because of the air friction and its light. Second as you said the steel will damage the barrel also the platinium maybe since its more solid than the lead.
If they are the future, then, I should keep my lead pellets, just in case.
😁👍🏼 Yes I’m keeping all mine too 👍🏼🔫
Buy more if you can.
Yes, I do the same, I already have more than fifty boxes of pellets.😁
@@messor01 sounds good to me. Keep it up.
Tin, considering the most common alloy being a tin and copper mixture is far more superior to lead on an environmental basis. Yes you are still putting some form of metal into nature, but lead is really nasty stuff. I do however agree that replacing parts of the pellet with plastics sounds like a really dumb idea to me and would most likely lead to another ban soon enough. Overall this video has been informative although I've only shot lead free pellets as I've come to the hobby quite recently.
But back to the topic of tin versus lead. Tin metal poisoning specifically has been tested and deemed "almost unknown" (you cannot 100% rule out the possibility). Tin has widespread uses in the food industry and foodsafe tin alloys have been in use for decades now. Lead on the other hand has been known for bad properties since well over a century now. Even as far back as 1920 when leaded gasoline was invented, lead was known for it's negative properties to human health. (which didn't stop the oil companies from using it. Whoopsie).
Same goes for lead pellets. Lead pellets are so much easier to produce and people tend to think it somehow safe simply because they haven't died yet. Water companies used leaded pipes because it was easier, etc etc. Sometimes I really wonder how our species has survived up to this point.
Thanks for your comment 😊👍🏼 Yes lead is nasty stuff and yet still used so commonly. I think the rushed ban on lead for shooting is being pushed through too little blindly (like with many new environmental measures these days). Most of the lead pollution from shooting is from actual firearms not air rifles, so we air gun users are being dragged on for the ride. I don’t disagree that there is an issue with lead pollution, but better policy and better lead-free alternatives are required. Especially as many of the lead free pellets are harder than lead and the barrels of air rifles weren’t designed for them. We’ll see over time the impact of this.
Yes the lead in fuel seems crazy now. Its impact on violent crime was very interesting. I have started to think of wearing gloves when handling my lead pellets these days, to limit my exposure. I agree Tin is much safer. I do wonder if dumping large quantities if it into the environment will have some effect though. I think shooters/shooting ranges should be responsible to collect the spend shot and dispose of it correctly. Interesting to hear your thoughts on this. All the best 😊👍🏼
@@GreeklishOutdoors wow there is a lot to unpack here :) But you asked for my views, so here goes :)
Being pushed too blindly. I have to disagree, lead free has been available for air rifles for a good while now. There has to come a point when you have to move forward, otherwise you will be held back far too long. (like those using imperial measurements for example*)
As for damage to the barrel. The reason full metal jacket bullets were invented is to enable higher fire rates with higher reliability. mainly because lead deposited too much metal in the barrel. And I hardly believe air rifle barrels are made significantly different from regular guns, so damage? I don't think so. Okay, the ammo itself might not be lead free, but the outer part is. So I'm led to believe lead does actually do more damage to the barrel. Either way proper maintenance is key :)
Wearing gloves? Yeah it might be a good thing, but then again, if you are aware of the whole lead thing, why would you even risk it? If I go plinking I might shoot 100 pellets in a day, 200 if I'm really having fun. So that's a 5 bucks difference at most for the brand I'm using. The rifle itself was a lot more expensive hahaha.
Anyway, I make enough to justify spending a few bucks more on pellets. As for now my grouping is "good enough" that I can't blame my pellets, but perhaps in the future I might spend some time researching other brands.
As I know you will probably ask :) My current rifle is a Diana Stormrider .22 no scope. Just a nice entry level rifle that has provided me with a lot of fun.
* you know I had to make that joke ;)
@patrickd9551 Good points, well made 😁👍🏼 The reason I’ll use my lead pellets is that I have about 30 tins of the stuff (many different types) and it’s too much for me to waste/replace. As I capture and dispose of my spend pellets responsibly, I’ll shoot until I’m out. With regards to damaging the barrel, I read a couple of articles in the past that mentioned it. Although Tin is fairly malleable, the steel based pellets might offer a lot more wear. However, your full-metal jacket argument is logical. Nice rifle. I’ve thought about a PCP rifle for the future, but the air compressor look expensive. I too don’t use a scope, but it’s not out of choice. Scope on air rifles are illegal here in Greece 😵💫 Imperial measurements? I’ve been criticised for not using them by an American viewer 😂🤦🏻♂️ You can’t please everyone 😊👍🏼
Irb lead free seems great.
Yes they are pretty good 😊👍🏼
Lead pellets were banned in New Zealand for environmental reasons many years ago
I do worry we are just masking one environmental hazard for another 🤔
I'm agree with you @@GreeklishOutdoors
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I wished they make those lighter.
Lead free shots needs, steel free barrel bores.🤓😕😁👍
😁👍🏼🔫
@@GreeklishOutdoors Shot an agouti with an alloy pellet think it was an aluminum mix, when I got back home to prepare it, the meat in the area where the shot entered was terribly discolored, never seem anything like it, it spoiled the meat, I will never use an alloy to hunt food again, lead or dead. Great analyze though.👉👍
@terryjobity43 Oh wow that’s crazy. Not a viable alternative for hunting then 😱 Thanks very much 😊👍🏼 All the best ☀️🔫
What's the point of banning something that naturally comes out of the earth to protect the planet?
Can someone please explain that to me?
Naturally it is found as an ore e.g. anglesite and trace amounts are pretty harmless. Pure lead is rarely found in nature. Unfortunately when it is refined is fairly toxic, especially when you exposed to it long term, as it accumulates in your body. I think the issue with lead pollution, is us dumping it in an unnatural form into the environment, which can lead to toxicity in humans and other animals. If shooters reduced their waste e.g. collected spent ammo, this risk could be reduced. I’ll still be shooting what lead pellet stocks I still have, but I have collectors behind the targets so I can dispose of the pellets responsibly. 😊👍🏼🔫
And if the fishermen don't use lead either, and there is a better alternative than lead, then I will switch to it...And I think plastic pollution is a much bigger problem in the world!
Yes I agree, plastic pollution is a massive problem! All the best 😊👍🏼
Final conclusion : better learn how to make and stock up on lead pellets.
I definitely won’t be getting rid of my stocks for quite some time 😊👍🏼
It’s about removing another of our freedoms,it has absolutely nothing to do with the environment or safety.
Yes I think you may have a point. They are just making it more difficult to shoot. There’s still pollution from the plastic and tin pellets. Like with many new ‘environmental’ laws, they are just changing the pollutant 😊👍🏼
I hope not the greens fucked up shotgun shells to lead free,not as good and can harm game,,,q
That's interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing.