@@Christof_Classen I mean... nobody except the literal tangled web of license holders/brands/motor sports associations and their armies of lawyers that will each either charge you a fortune for the rights, or sue the pants off you if you dont pay. Sure nobody's stopping you
Me too! The good thing about the Le Mans 24 hour race is you can get very drunk, wake up with a hangover and still have a couple of hours of racing left to watch!
The 80s was the best decade ever for motor racing and this was the very pinnacle of it! I was there cheering on the Jaguars smoking my Silk Cuts while the ground was littered with free Gitanes packets and some rather dodgy playing cards from some rather dubious vending machines! The highlight of the race for me, apart from the result, was the crepes plastered in Grand Marnier that I gorged myself on in the midfield!
The greatest, in my opinion, of all motor sport events. I was there with my brother Frank having travelled in his E Type. It brings a tear to my eye as I remember the joy of this great win. Thank you. Philip
A Beautifully British Commentary, What! would be worth counting the number of times Bob Wollek was referred to as 'Bollock' lol ;) -may as well have said 'those Bloody Kraut Porsche's!' Great Race, & great cars, thanks for uploading! :)
I can just hear the Australian reporters announcing the end result... 'And the winner of the 1988 Le Mans 24 Hours in the TWR Jaguar XJ-R9 LM are Jan Lammers, Johnny Dumfries & Andy Wallace! Second place goes to some blokes in a Porker.'
Project Cars 2 has consistently been my all time favorite racing game . The group C is the most difficult but the most fun , imo to race in . The cars are an absolute handful in the game so i can imagine it took Ballz of steel to pilot those machines .
Henk Gaas Don't forget that Jan Lammers drove 13 ( or 14 ) hours of the 24 and did the start and finish. In the U. K. Lammers was honored as a "Honorary Member of the British Racing Drivers Club". At that time there were only a few foreigners that were honoured this way like Juan Manuel Fangio and Enzo Ferrari.
It's quite amusing to hear Klaus Ludwig referred to as Careful Klaus being as I'm most familiar with him as a touring car driver where, well, he wasn't always that careful. He did rather like a bit of DIY panel beating in the tin tops...
1:51 the pace stagecoach almost tumbles over while the machines just coast along leisurely ... I would have died of fear or misconduct in one of those carbonkevlar missiles .. but its ever more delightful to watch and hear the bygone affaires . having to experience our bloodless all tatooed bore of present pc simulation existence 😌
Amazing footage, thanks for uploading. Just goes to show how far safety has come in these 35ish years. Genuinely looked like over a thousand people in the pits as the Jag comes flying in, not to mention that weird old top heavy lorry dragging the Jag out of the gravel surrounded by marshals on a live race track!! Staggering!
A long time ago I read there's a restaurant towards the end of the Mulsanne straight (still is?) that you can hear the cars pass by at speed (no chicane) while enjoying a midnight dinner.
True (sort of). Its a Chinese restaurant and its approx the middle of the Mulsanne straight. There are no windows overlooking the road unfortunately, so you don`t get to see the race, but you are only a few yards from the track so you definitely (and deafeningly) hear them! I`ve been to Le Mans 9 times from 2006 and looking forward to a few more visits now we can expect true competitive racing again with the Hypercar formula
How much stress and panic was Tom Walkinshaw going through as he sees his cars disappear like flies one by one, and the one car which didn't fail was the hare car.
8m 40sec Jags drop back 2 secs in Porsche curves and loose in the esses, but the commentators are saying the Jags are quicker in the corners... Lol 😂 its the Jag that looks like its over 15kph faster on mulsane. Even with the slipstream lammers Jag pulls away from the 962s. They were about 2 meters behind at the beginning of Mulsane but 100metres back at the end of the straight.
I wonder if the brakes on that big Mercedes pace car were absolutely fried after a lap. Does anyone think it was equipped with aggressive pads or hi-temp brake fluid?
Yes, they had to run a lot of boost on the Porsche engines to make them competitive, especially later in the development life, which means you have to run quite a lot of fuel into the engine or you seriously run the risk of melting piston crowns as a lean mixture burns much hotter. It's less of an issue now, but you can still get big issues if you get a fuel pressure issue with modern turbo engines. The naturally aspirated Jaguar V12, although a big lump of an engine, could be run pretty lean without issues which was a big advantage from it being derived from a well-proven road engine where, in general, you tend to have to build them tougher and a bit heavier than might be desirable in a pure race engine...
I'm sure that's why the Jag V12 had only two valves per cylinder. It would have been a lower-revving engine with more low-end grunt than a four-valve alternative, and therefore more fuel-efficient. Generally, lower RPM means less fuel consumption even at wider throttle openings. Also, the 2-valve engine was simpler mechanically, and less top-heavy (fewer cams and other valvetrain components in the heads) for a lower CG. At 7 liters it was a big engine, but equally large Ford two-valve V8s beat the smaller, higher-revving Ferraris in the late sixties, so it was a proven formula. As gosportjamie pointed out, turbos had to run a richer fuel mixture to be reliable, so this was a compound advantage for Jaguar.
I think you’ll find that’s a bit of a myth. Jaguar said they were right at the limit of the development of the V12, which is why they replaced it with the Jaguar-Rover turbo V6 in the next major revision. Porsche still had plenty left in the turbo flat-6, which had pretty much dominated Group C from its inception right up to the end of 1987 and was still winning races in 1989. How much different could it be between a turbo V6 and a turbo flat-6?
@@thethirdman225 There actually is a lot of difference between a V6 and a flat 6 in terms of torque and power production. I don't think Jaguar were at the limit of what was technically possible with the V12, but to take that engine further would have cost a lot of money that was probably better spent on another engine being as finances were tight and the V12 was getting towards the end of its' evolution. The V12 did continue to be a successful race engine in the Lister GT cars for some time...
I remember over the weekend the talk was about the fact that the Porsche was faster with the turbo, but couldn’t run that level of boost for the whole race due to the fuel economy. The Jaguar was faster when the Porsche ran less boost to save fuel. It was a fantastic race and atmosphere with half of Coventry in the stands cheering the Jags on. The Porsche team came to Jaguar hospitality at the end to congratulate us. One or their mechanics gave me his cap. Unforgettable experience.
Lammers did the last 1.5 hours in 4th gear. Any attempt to shift would have ended their race. He had to keep it a secret even to his team, or the Porsches would have cranked up their speed to maybe catch up.
@@armorgeddon I mean the indy 500 oval circuit they narrow the corners but still the cars managed on the straight the speeds of over 230 miles per hour. Without the straight they killed LEMANS. Now you can see that even now with rain they stop the race. I guess they could had left only the GT CARS with speeds of over 200 miles per hour without the prototypes
I suppose it is the french’s idea of a four wheel drive vehicle - which could have been problematic from a marketing perspective. Regardless, it was a very different era with regards to safety processes (I’m always nervous seeing something like this since the Bianci incident)
No GT category back then, they didn't need to bolster the entry list as they had 40 odd entries in the top C1 category and another 10 or so C2 prototypes for smaller manufacturers and lower budget teams.
@@dennismichealsm3786 That's true currently but back in the Group C era there was no need to include slow cars. The amount of factory entrants in the 80's was unlike the current situation and customer Porsche 956/962's meant a field of a couple of dozen outright race winners.
@@marks7197 thanks for the info..any endurance race without the GT class feels weird but I also understand and respect the fact that the group C cars were fast ..some were even faster than F1 cars at that time.. crazy
@@dennismichealsm3786 I was lucky enough to watch the group c era first hand at Brands Hatch, Silverstone and Donington, nobody missed GT cars at the time. The FIA/ACO wanting the GT1 category to be competitive for overall victory started that situation.
"The most important race in" [British satire warning]....ah....was there a Ford vs. Ferrari something or other at one time? Not sure.....could be wrong.
At the 1:17:24 mark we can clearly see that there are 4 minutes left. 2m35s later the Jaguar crosses the s/f line, which means they should have gone for another lap, which means that the Porsche would have won. Rigged victory.
The marshalls tradition of waving their flags on the final lap would mean no overtaking, so Porsche would not have won if what you suggested were true.
All they cover and commentates on is Porsche and jaguar jaguar and Porsche yeah Toyotas it mean they are Mazdas in even when they have footage on them they don’t say nothing about these cars
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Million dollar idea:
We need a motorsport streaming service. So much great footage just sits in archives.
*Nobody will stop you from doing it yourself ;)*
"We" don't need to pay for more streaming services.
@@Christof_Classen I mean... nobody except the literal tangled web of license holders/brands/motor sports associations and their armies of lawyers that will each either charge you a fortune for the rights, or sue the pants off you if you dont pay. Sure nobody's stopping you
@@PeterKKraus Absolute Truth!
If you are going to follow through with that plan you'll have to make it free and with no ads.
I was there,...We got very drunk,.....
😂
Me too! The good thing about the Le Mans 24 hour race is you can get very drunk, wake up with a hangover and still have a couple of hours of racing left to watch!
Me too...
I envy you guys!!!... I was born in 88’
@@christian_urocar Sports car racing is looking good again i think,.Hyper cars could be the new Group C,..!
The pit area was so crowded with people back then compared to now.
The 80s was the best decade ever for motor racing and this was the very pinnacle of it! I was there cheering on the Jaguars smoking my Silk Cuts while the ground was littered with free Gitanes packets and some rather dodgy playing cards from some rather dubious vending machines! The highlight of the race for me, apart from the result, was the crepes plastered in Grand Marnier that I gorged myself on in the midfield!
As a NASCAR fan we will gladly accept you within the community, You'd fit right in !!
80er Die Menschen waren noch verrückt!
True. We partied hard into the 90's. 🤣👌
Takes me back to when I was a kid. I was there back in 88 cheering on Jaguar!
*laughs in porsche 962*
me too....is it just me, or were these more exciting times? well the Mulsanne straight was still without shitcanes! sorry Chicanes....
Don't watch the advert Jaguar have just released then, you'll be horrified.
You have been warned. 🤣
The perfect cars with the perfect track layout.
It's fantastic to have the opportunity to see this after so many years. In 1988 I was busy with my exams at school so I missed it all...
The greatest, in my opinion, of all motor sport events. I was there with my brother Frank having travelled in his E Type. It brings a tear to my eye as I remember the joy of this great win. Thank you. Philip
I was there in 88...drove my Porsche 944 there...but happy Jag won!
thank you uploader nothing like these Group C beasts fantastic stuff!
A Beautifully British Commentary, What! would be worth counting the number of times Bob Wollek was referred to as 'Bollock' lol ;) -may as well have said 'those Bloody Kraut Porsche's!' Great Race, & great cars, thanks for uploading! :)
It's absolutely crazy how there was no safety measures back then.....people running on track etc.
1:17.27. Marshalls stood just feet away from 3 Jaguars doing around 230-240 mph!
I can’t believe a driver from my country ( Australia) not only drove the silk cut jag but drove in the 88 Le Mans
I can just hear the Australian reporters announcing the end result... 'And the winner of the 1988 Le Mans 24 Hours in the TWR Jaguar XJ-R9 LM are Jan Lammers, Johnny Dumfries & Andy Wallace! Second place goes to some blokes in a Porker.'
I remember watching this live on Screensports. That slipstream overtake by the Jaguar was incredible.
😢🏁Repose en paix Johnny Dumfries.🏁😢
Rip 🙏
Project Cars 2 has consistently been my all time favorite racing game . The group C is the most difficult but the most fun , imo to race in . The cars are an absolute handful in the game so i can imagine it took Ballz of steel to pilot those machines .
Now for Aston Martin to bring it home 2025
Excellent, thanks
I had this given to me on a VHS when I was a kid and watched it constantly! Thank you for uploading
This was my first Le Mans visit and I went in a Jaguar with the JEC, very happy days!
I love the old school commentary style.
Race In Peace John "1988 Le Mans Winner" Colum Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute/John Bute/Johnny Dumfries
thanks! This is one of the most legendary races of all time... Lammers Stuck in 3rd gear in the last 1.5 hours.
Henk Gaas Don't forget that Jan Lammers drove 13 ( or 14 ) hours of the 24 and did the start and finish.
In the U. K. Lammers was honored as a "Honorary Member of the British Racing Drivers Club". At that time there were only a few foreigners that were honoured this way like Juan Manuel Fangio and Enzo Ferrari.
@@henkm4862 I know Henk.
Was stuck in 4 gear
Hans Stuck in the works porsche in the 30 minute rain was 12 seconds faster than any other car on the field with regular tires
Legendary times. Porsche and Jaguar. EPIC battle of the titans
The intro looks like it's out of a Star Wars movie lol
It was the easiest way to do graphics back in the day!
Thanks so much for this upload! Love these historic LeMans recaps 😍
It's quite amusing to hear Klaus Ludwig referred to as Careful Klaus being as I'm most familiar with him as a touring car driver where, well, he wasn't always that careful. He did rather like a bit of DIY panel beating in the tin tops...
Thank you for this! I LOVE Prototypes! Those Class c cars were SO nice!
1:51 the pace stagecoach almost tumbles over while the machines just coast along leisurely ... I would have died of fear or misconduct in one of those carbonkevlar missiles .. but its ever more delightful to watch and hear the bygone affaires . having to experience our bloodless all tatooed bore of present pc simulation existence 😌
i was one of the fifty thousand!! - and am on the video when the fans invade the track
The best le mans ever!
Buy British!!
not even close
BEZZX..😮😮🔥🔥🔥è pepatossimo,!saluti 😊😊
WM Peugeot 88 408km/h :)
Didn’t finish.
They didn’t really start , they were only there to get 400 down Mulsanne
Alistair J M Clark I think they actually tried to qualify for Le Mans though since they failed, they didn’t come
@@alistairjmclark9866 PRV>m119
J'y étais. Merci pour la vidéo.👍👍👍
Moi aussi formidable!!
Merci pour la meilleure course du monde!
Amazing footage, thanks for uploading. Just goes to show how far safety has come in these 35ish years. Genuinely looked like over a thousand people in the pits as the Jag comes flying in, not to mention that weird old top heavy lorry dragging the Jag out of the gravel surrounded by marshals on a live race track!! Staggering!
That Jag looks so good.
Jan Lammers is a Dutch racing Legend
Back when the Mulsanne Straight was straight.
A long time ago I read there's a restaurant towards the end of the Mulsanne straight (still is?) that you can hear the cars pass by at speed (no chicane) while enjoying a midnight dinner.
True (sort of). Its a Chinese restaurant and its approx the middle of the Mulsanne straight. There are no windows overlooking the road unfortunately, so you don`t get to see the race, but you are only a few yards from the track so you definitely (and deafeningly) hear them! I`ve been to Le Mans 9 times from 2006 and looking forward to a few more visits now we can expect true competitive racing again with the Hypercar formula
How much stress and panic was Tom Walkinshaw going through as he sees his cars disappear like flies one by one, and the one car which didn't fail was the hare car.
8m 40sec Jags drop back 2 secs in Porsche curves and loose in the esses, but the commentators are saying the Jags are quicker in the corners... Lol 😂 its the Jag that looks like its over 15kph faster on mulsane. Even with the slipstream lammers Jag pulls away from the 962s. They were about 2 meters behind at the beginning of Mulsane but 100metres back at the end of the straight.
I wish they did these for modern races too. Can't find good summary videos with commentary.
Those porsches cant hang onto the Jags slipstream on the long straight. Must be a high drag car. Check 7min 40sec..
great vid thanks
I wonder if the brakes on that big Mercedes pace car were absolutely fried after a lap. Does anyone think it was equipped with aggressive pads or hi-temp brake fluid?
some incredible in fo folks thanks
So funny looking back, the pace cars is a road going saloon car.😂😂😂😂
I like Neville Hay comments
Those jags were really fast amazing
17:27 - great teamwork boys! Does anyone think the way the #17 pulled in was by accident?
27:00 - karma?
Halcyon days for motorsports.
33:55. Tremendous stuff. Pure racing.
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ケンウッドポルシェで、国さんも参戦してました。
確か、フィニッシュは国さんじゃなかったかな。
Technology back then was such that Jaguar's 7000cc V12 was supposed to be more fuel efficient than the 3000cc turbo-charged H6 from Porsche.
Yes, they had to run a lot of boost on the Porsche engines to make them competitive, especially later in the development life, which means you have to run quite a lot of fuel into the engine or you seriously run the risk of melting piston crowns as a lean mixture burns much hotter. It's less of an issue now, but you can still get big issues if you get a fuel pressure issue with modern turbo engines. The naturally aspirated Jaguar V12, although a big lump of an engine, could be run pretty lean without issues which was a big advantage from it being derived from a well-proven road engine where, in general, you tend to have to build them tougher and a bit heavier than might be desirable in a pure race engine...
I'm sure that's why the Jag V12 had only two valves per cylinder. It would have been a lower-revving engine with more low-end grunt than a four-valve alternative, and therefore more fuel-efficient. Generally, lower RPM means less fuel consumption even at wider throttle openings. Also, the 2-valve engine was simpler mechanically, and less top-heavy (fewer cams and other valvetrain components in the heads) for a lower CG. At 7 liters it was a big engine, but equally large Ford two-valve V8s beat the smaller, higher-revving Ferraris in the late sixties, so it was a proven formula. As gosportjamie pointed out, turbos had to run a richer fuel mixture to be reliable, so this was a compound advantage for Jaguar.
I think you’ll find that’s a bit of a myth. Jaguar said they were right at the limit of the development of the V12, which is why they replaced it with the Jaguar-Rover turbo V6 in the next major revision. Porsche still had plenty left in the turbo flat-6, which had pretty much dominated Group C from its inception right up to the end of 1987 and was still winning races in 1989. How much different could it be between a turbo V6 and a turbo flat-6?
@@thethirdman225 There actually is a lot of difference between a V6 and a flat 6 in terms of torque and power production. I don't think Jaguar were at the limit of what was technically possible with the V12, but to take that engine further would have cost a lot of money that was probably better spent on another engine being as finances were tight and the V12 was getting towards the end of its' evolution. The V12 did continue to be a successful race engine in the Lister GT cars for some time...
I remember over the weekend the talk was about the fact that the Porsche was faster with the turbo, but couldn’t run that level of boost for the whole race due to the fuel economy. The Jaguar was faster when the Porsche ran less boost to save fuel. It was a fantastic race and atmosphere with half of Coventry in the stands cheering the Jags on.
The Porsche team came to Jaguar hospitality at the end to congratulate us. One or their mechanics gave me his cap. Unforgettable experience.
Lammers did the last 1.5 hours in 4th gear. Any attempt to shift would have ended their race.
He had to keep it a secret even to his team, or the Porsches would have cranked up their speed to maybe catch up.
The team did know, that's the reason Walkinshaw had them form up at the end, it was so the other cars could push it from behind if required.
RIP Neville
Lemans will never be Lemans without the Mulssane straight and Indianapolis is still Indianapolis
What is a Lemans?
What changed at Indianapolis (I guess you mean the corner at LM)?
@@armorgeddon I mean the indy 500 oval circuit they narrow the corners but still the cars managed on the straight the speeds of over 230 miles per hour. Without the straight they killed LEMANS. Now you can see that even now with rain they stop the race. I guess they could had left only the GT CARS with speeds of over 200 miles per hour without the prototypes
One of them sounds like Alfred Hitchcock
Are yellow and red traditionnal colors for Porsche ??
Porsche 962 may be the best looking - scratch that - most sexy of them all...
22:12 Where did they get that truck from???
I wish this was in 4K
I suppose it is the french’s idea of a four wheel drive vehicle - which could have been problematic from a marketing perspective. Regardless, it was a very different era with regards to safety processes (I’m always nervous seeing something like this since the Bianci incident)
Dunlop porsche looks great
Jaguar tricked them on the fuel game. Porsche had the fastest car out there and lost it on the pitwall...
That's the whole point of endurance racing!
Is it the race of 407Kph by Roger Dorchy?
Yes ..but his car broke down in the 3rd or 4th hour of the race after he reached 252mph on the straight..
why are there so many people in the pit?!
How could they possibly mistake a Mazda for the Obermaier Porsche?
Start at 1:38 if you do want to get any spoilers.
Where are the GT cars? Especially the porsches
No GT category back then, they didn't need to bolster the entry list as they had 40 odd entries in the top C1 category and another 10 or so C2 prototypes for smaller manufacturers and lower budget teams.
@@marks7197 oh ok ..cause you always see GT cars in lemans 24 hrs.. there are more GT cars than prototypes
@@dennismichealsm3786 That's true currently but back in the Group C era there was no need to include slow cars. The amount of factory entrants in the 80's was unlike the current situation and customer Porsche 956/962's meant a field of a couple of dozen outright race winners.
@@marks7197 thanks for the info..any endurance race without the GT class feels weird but I also understand and respect the fact that the group C cars were fast ..some were even faster than F1 cars at that time.. crazy
@@dennismichealsm3786 I was lucky enough to watch the group c era first hand at Brands Hatch, Silverstone and Donington, nobody missed GT cars at the time. The FIA/ACO wanting the GT1 category to be competitive for overall victory started that situation.
Who let Stewie in as a commentator?!?!
Boesel🏆
"The most important race in" [British satire warning]....ah....was there a Ford vs. Ferrari something or other at one time? Not sure.....could be wrong.
20 years earlier...
15:04 damn
Last race with the old straight
So sad
No. 1989 was.
At the 1:17:24 mark we can clearly see that there are 4 minutes left. 2m35s later the Jaguar crosses the s/f line, which means they should have gone for another lap, which means that the Porsche would have won. Rigged victory.
The marshalls tradition of waving their flags on the final lap would mean no overtaking, so Porsche would not have won if what you suggested were true.
All they cover and commentates on is Porsche and jaguar jaguar and Porsche yeah Toyotas it mean they are Mazdas in even when they have footage on them they don’t say nothing about these cars
Mainly because they were uncompetitive. Even as a Jaguar fan, I think it was a shame the Saubers pulled out of the race, would have been interesting.
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Porsche would have won if they still wore the Rothmans