Terävä Skrama 240 VS 200, Which is Better for YOU?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video Loz Harrop and I compare and test the Terävä Skrama 240 to its smaller sibling the 200. Please leave a comment below on which one you think would suit your needs better.
NB. Both knives were sent to me by Varusteleka for the purpose of making a these videos.
Varusteleka Website: www.varusteleka.com/en
Skrama Link: www.varusteleka.com/en/search...
Massive Thanks to Loz for collaborating with me on the last couple of videos, Please, PLEASE go show him some love on his channel and let him know WAUK Sent you...
Loz Harrop Channel: / lozharrop - บันเทิง
After further research and reading the Varusteleka website I have found that the steel is 80CRV2 (NOT 1095) which is a carbon steel as mentioned in the video!
That is interesting Spi and why the 240 blade at 58 hrc performed so well exactly the right hrc for 80crv2 and a great choice for a blade like that, btw i would expect it to pass the bend test too.
As I understood it, you tested the hardness on the flat of the blades, not the edge (since the method really only i reliable on a flat surface perpendicular to the axis of the diamond tip).
What Varusteleka says is this:
"80CRV2 CARBON STEEL AND HEAT TREATMENT
All Terävä carbon steel knives are made from 80CrV2 tool steel, a trusted choice in Finnish knife manufacturing for decades. The heat treatment leaves the surface of the steel softer, ~52 HRC. This creates a tough exterior to protect the blade. As the blade is ground, the harder (~59 HRC) inside is revealed and improves edge retention. The spine has ground bevels for striking Ferro rods."
It’s a dual heat treatment blade. Inner layer is harder for edge retention, outer softer for durability.
The Skrama 240 is the thinking man's Golok. It will process enough material to build a shelter and have a fire going in quick order. It is a good compromise of stoutness, length, and carry weight for small or large pack.
The 200 won't get the same workload done. It doesn't do anything more than a large sheath knife does.
Both are to compliment the small utility knife everyone carries anyhow, for all those small tasks that just require a small sharp edge.
I'm a huge fan of the Skrama 240. Had mine six years now, and its as great as ever. Done a heck of a lot of work.
Really interesting and informative video. Thanks👍🏻
Joe X could barely break the tip on the 240. He said it was the toughest tip he'd tested up to that point.
The Skrama has come to be one of my favorite blades.
Have found the 240 to be the best all around tool I have found so far for the Florida landscape. Axe serves little to no purpose here, and the extra blade length + reach is perfect for dealing with palmettos, brush, etc, and when paired with a saw will process all of your wood needs in this climate. More versatile than a machete by far, for my uses at least.
I personally think the 240 is superior to the 200 in every way after using both extensively(heavy chopping ability is close to the bottom of my list of priorities), but i also always pair both with a smaller bushcrafty type scandi blade. Basically unless size / weight is a concern, im picking the 240. The 200 really is a great option for a lot of people though, and is what i take a good amount of the time if im going somewhere outside of Florida, and or i have a need to take a forest axe.
Great tool for the money and a design i have absolutely no problem riding hard and dirty, which is what i want out of a big blade. Save my lovely little jewel knives for the lighter fine work.
Appreciate both of your inputs.
Excellent feedback, thank you forntaking the time to comment
Great insight, sounds like loz really knows his stuff 👍
Oh my god does he ever, in my eyes one of the best knife makers in the UK - hopefully I'm going to do a camp and a bit more with him soon
@@WildernessAdventuresUK sounds good, love a good knife ☺️
Found that interesting, thanks for the upload. My son in law was into knives big time, I’ll see if he wants to give this a gander! Stay safe atb 👍🦊
Great vid Spi, very informative!
"You could stab a worm"
"If you're feeling particularly violent"
🤣🤣 that made me chuckle! Thanks for the content, keep up the good work!
it is not inconsistent heat treating, in their page they describe putting a differential heat treating in their knives, so the spine and edge are about 59 hrc while the sides are closer to 52, so actually you measured it right , because for the longer one i think you measured it closer to the edge and the skrama200 was measured towards the center so i think this reading should be pretty close to their desciptión
Thanks for an interesting video. The website now says it is Carbon steel 80CrV2, 59 HRC
Thanks mate, after the video was filmed I went away and researched and put the steal in the pinned comments..
I have 3 of them and they are all excellent and brilliant for different tasks
although I've never been a 'big' feller I have big hands, I take a XXXL work glove ( if I can find them) although my wrists are proportional to my hands my arms aren't heavily muscled, so I bought the 240 and while I was playing indoors you know air slicing and the like I found my forearms aching like hell so packed it away, when the 200 was released I hopefully bought one and playing with that it was like swinging a feather so that's my go to now
Yes mate, there is a substantial weight difference, I can see where you'd use them both in the field, tho I have to admit if i had to choose one of the two, I too would go 200 too (as indeed i originally did)... tho my honest personal choice would be a sub 3 inch blade and an axe... but again these will do things easier than axe, so there is no right answer just preference
Nice blades though I’d be happy with either brilliant choppers
I wonder as these knives are made in Finland with their temperatures going down to -40 or -50 or so if the tempering is gauged to suit cutting wood that is frozen, i am sure Sami Leuko and Pukko are traditionally made for such conditions
Made in Finland by Laurin metalli. Sold by varusteleka.
Fantastic blades love the 240 zombie killer great video guys well done. 👍🔪
MAYBE...the fact the two edges have been treated just like it has two grinds ....the upper choppy should be softer and the lower finer should be harder makes sense
Does anyone know how I can buy one of these in the UK? Thanks!
Second hand is the only way now bud, they stopped importing to the UK a while ago
@WildernessAdventuresUK Thank you for the reply - does anyone know why they stopped importing to the UK? It seems a real shame......I'm sure they would have plenty of orders from here...
Also, if second hand is my only option, can anyone recommend a couple of good sites to look for these please? 👍
@robl it's a stab in the dark, but I'm guessing one of 2 reasons - it's either uk knife laws or the uk leaving the EU which has changed import duty so makes things more expensive and troublesome to import things...
As for second hand, the only thing I can suggest is asking the UK knife groups on Facebook my friend
@WildernessAdventuresUK Thank you for your reply. It's such a shame. They look amazing. At that price range, I've been struggling to find something that I like the look of. It would be fairly easy to choose if I could afford to spend more.
Thank you sir! I'm not sure if these knives are produced in the same manner as the old Mora Triflex (aka San Mai process) or not as I do not own it. I bought a Mora Triflex thinking "proper old school flint and steel" but alas not so. The Bushcraft Black as you know will handle this kind of thing laughing all the way to the bank. Also apply some lanolin to those things.😂
Seriously guys, there are plenty of videos and tests consistently proving the toughness and lack of brittleness of these knives (Cedric and Ata..., JOEX and many more). I have yet to find a bad review of these knives when using them for hard work. The same goes for the type of steel which you mysteriously know nothing about. Have you bothered to read about the knife at Varusteleka including the heat treatment? If you really want be honest, educate yourself first, please because giving proper information is an important part of being honest.
That being said, I like my custom made knives but my Skrama proved to be an excellent and reliable tool with perfect ergonomics in really hard woodwork. All that for a fraction of the price of these customs. Maybe it must be sharpened more often but honestly, I do not know - there is no problem for me to sharpen a knife. I touch up all my knifes quite often so unless the edge retention is really terrible it does not bother me much.
If you read the comments above I have addressed the steel in them - also we didn't give a negative review, we found that the edge retention wasn't great that's all! That could be for a number or reasons on these mass produced knives...
I still to this day use all 3 of my Skramas, great knives - in fact I got rid of all my other bigger knives, these are the only ones I own.
This has been really eye opening about this company. It would be so much better if it was treated properly. If I got one it would have to be the blank, so I could anneal it and then properly heat treat it. But who wants to do that if they didn’t make the knife? Certainly not me. Might as well make it from scratch how you want it.
Soft isn't bad
To an extent. You can have durability with admirable edge holding capabilities also.
It is treated properly. Should do a touch of research. It's differential hardening
Forgot to say. Buying from an individual maker, or custom knife maker, is completely different to buying a factory knife. Your investing into the craftsman's work and the pride and skill that goes into their piece. Something personal about it, and often just more story to it all.
Every knife has some luck built in. How much luck is found out as it finds its history working for you. A well made knife with plenty of luck might do a lifetime, or more.
Not a truer word spoken
The core and the outside layers are heattreated to different HRC, and that's why the spine is ground with bevels to expose the harder core to work with firing rods. Good test but kind of misleading.
I have the 3 different sizes, love all 3, my 240 holds a better edge than my 200, and my tiny one is my go to!
@@WildernessAdventuresUK What model is your small one? I'm interested :)
@@kuime1 it's the Skrama 80
@@WildernessAdventuresUK putting it into my wish list 😆
You probably have been made aware of this somewhere in the comments, but anyway...the Skrama has a dual hrc, a soft 52 outer and a harder 59 inner. Those are the specs anyway. Dont have a clue as to how that could be achieved...
Yes, thank you I was made aware of this.. tho the 200 lost its edge quicker than the 240.. maybe a mass production fault... however I personally still prefer the size of the 200
80-crv-2
You couldn't be bothered to do a little research on the steel and tempering process?
It's been covered already..
Read the comments!
That inconsistency in hardening - 53 vs 58 HRc is very annoying for an industrially produced blade ....
80CRV2 innit
80crv2
The company sent you a blade and you couldn't even do the proper research to know what steel it uses....hmmmm
Speaking of research, Check the pinned comment or dont, i dont actually care what you do 😉
ATB 🤣
@@WildernessAdventuresUK yes adding a pinned comment after a bunch of people comment the steel type... if a company is nice enough to send you a free blade, the least you could do is some proper research before you film the review.. it just seems lazy, but your welcome to run your channel however you like.
@@shawnpepin7890 if you follow my channel you'll know none of my stuff is scripted, if you go watch the video before this one, you'll actually see that I turn up at Loz's and we make a couple of videos.. none of it planned, this channel is NOT a review channel therefore my reviewing isn't up-to scratch, and if you check when i posted the pinned post you'll see that it was up before a lot of the comments...
In my honest opinion - it makes no difference weather or not we concentrate on the minor details, we covered the differences between the blades and what they could be used for which is actually the title of the video.. we also tested edge retention weather it's 80crv2 or s35vn it makes no difference.. as Loz says its all to do with the heat treat...
Anyway - keep up the good work on your channel 😉
@@WildernessAdventuresUK after re-reading my comments, I feel as I came off dickish... not my intention. Alot of nuance is lost in writing form. Sorry
Would love to see the stainless model tested