Thank you for testing this and the info. I've been looking at the RC3, and have both 3 and 4 prong FH. Super glad to see the results here! The most important IMO is the signature reduction. :)
I'm glad being a 3-prong and warcomp fan finally pays off, most of my muzzle devices are Surefire 3-prong. I've always been told the OTN's are bad because "ping" noises and brances. I recently P&W a CTN warcomp on a new upper just to try it out but haven't shot it yet, i wonder how it'd do with the RC3.
I have heard a lot of reports that even the warcomps have issues with flash suppression. I have only been able to get nearly perfect flash reduction with vanilla flash hiders with no compensation.
I have a feeling this whole fireball thing is a complete oversight by SF. I suspect they tested it on a 3/4 prong FH and then assumed it would work just as well on the others.
We kinda feel the same way. It makes sense in a way that they were focused on the three and four prongs during testing because thats what a lot of the military/LE are running so thats what they focused on and spaced the comps. But that is pretty much just speculation on our part. But we are glad that the 3 prongs made all the difference
100%, spot on. Very likely they never tested it with any other devices. I like FH over comp, but generally like the closed tine. In addition to not ringing, less likely to get damaged if you drop the gun.
Think I will just stick with the RC2. I need a second dedicated can for another AR I have, and I have been watching a bunch of reviews on the RC3. However, I don’t feel like the RC3 justifies an extra $800. 🤷🏻♂ Either way Surefire is getting my money, but maybe not the bigger chunk of it 😆
lol My $350 T2 sounds exactly the same as both the RC3 and 2 minus the flame thrower. Fuck paying over 1k for these suppressors. at the end of the day all 5.56 cans are blast shield/flashhider hybrids
@@IMABEAST191T2/T3 is a phenomenal can it’s hard to argue against them..muzzle device…cheap but good…can…cheap but good…unless you are the 1% that need the 5% better performance in signature reduction skip it
Im a huge surefire suppressor fan already i own 4 different ones and i have to get my hands on this new rc3 for sure. I wonder how the ctn would work with the rc3 im not a big fan of the 3 and 4 prongs flash hiders
If you research surefire muzzle devices performance, you'd find that the muzzle brakes entirely change the system in the RC2 even (maybe not in the form of a fireball). Most people seem to run those to give it a sacrificial blast baffle and increase can life blah blah, but what it does is adds significant backpressure to the system itself thus causing other wear issues. On anything SBR, it's optimal to just run an open tined mount (personal opinion here... Don't run a brake on an SBR for f sake anyway). All that to say, it doesn't surprise me that the brake changes the whole system when you have flow through in there. It's adding huge pressure to everything, so gasses/unburnt powder now escape through the path of least resistance and boom, fireball. In a nutshell, the brakes add baffles (more baffles more pressure) to a system optimized without additional baffles. Surefire stuff was always designed around their standard flash hiders anyway.
Though this can is thankfully available to civilian consumers, it was produced and designed for the military first. Most units/armories run the 3/4 prong open tine so I would bet Surefire didn't test with other muzzle devices due to saving cost. Or if they did, they didn't care how closed tine and brakes flash since big MIL isn't using those. They are a military contract fullfillment company first and a comsumer market company second. I look forward to getting an RC3
I'll never understand why the 3 prong warcomp gets so much hate. This test really shows me that it is, exactly as I've known for a long time, the best muzzle device they make. Usually, but not always, if you want the best gear in these categories, look what the military is using. There is usually a good reason for it.
@seijiroukikuoka5975 that's funny because the 3 prong Warcomp is the most widely used in the military, and THEY are reporting 90,000+ rounds before having to be repaired by Surefire. SOCOM knows what they're doing, and I take my info from them.
@seijiroukikuoka5975 you do also realize that philosophy of use comes into play as well? This video PROVED what I already knew about the Warcomp. The Warcomp is designed to reduce muzzle flash to a bare minimum to keep you from being seen. It's all to do with signature reduction. My rifles are set up with the worst possible situation in mind. Their other mounts have their place, but for a defensive weapon that you may have to pick up to defend yourself, your family, your home and country, you need to make sure it's extremely difficult to be seen. Even if it is harder on the can, most people will never hit 90,000 rounds on one rifle.
Thank you very much for this video. I have an RC3 purchased but am waiting (groan) for tax stamp approval into my trust. I initially bought it because it is newer and supposedly better, but mostly it will quick attach to the Daniel Defense M4 SOCOM BLOCK 2 Clone that came from Daniel Defense with a Surfire three prong flash hider. At the time of purchase the true four prong was not available so DD disclosed and substituted the three prong. Also, because I had purchased a DD pistol with their own flash hider attached, I purchased a Surefire 3 prong to change out the DD part so that I could have quick detach ready when the RC3 arrives. Looks like I just lucked out all around! Again, thanks for the video. You made my day.
I'm new to suppressors and I'm looking for one currently, I'm not sure if it matters but I'm just wondering if the guns you used were DI or piston guns. also great video
Piston guns usually suppress better and run cleaner. I still prefer di guns overall. Piston are heavier, more expensive, more parts, less common, and don’t have a lot of good options out there. I went with bcm bfh mk2 di upper receivers and aero precision lower. Great combination.
Sorry for trying to necro-post on such an old video, but did you guys play around with the WarComp 3-prong or just the standard 3-prong flash hider? I have zero can experience but I've been eyeballing the RC2/RC3 for a little while now... :D
Excellent video. The real question is who makes that desert night camo jacket and the other tiger stripe jackets you guys have on? I need that in my life
What Surefire also won't tell you unless you email is that the warcomp was designed with "occasional" suppressed use in mind. Ive had rail panels blow off using a warcomp with a can. I emailed Surefire and they stated it was not meant to be suppressed unless it was a special use case. Just stick with the flash hiders or brakes to make the most of the labrynth seals.
Great info, thanks guys. Man,wish you could have also tested with an open tine warcomp too. I have 2 pinned builds and imagine warcomp might be the same flash reduction as the FH but not sure.
The warcomp should be much more inline with the open-tine flash-hiders, than the closed-tine parts. It was developed with mil-ammo, so your ammo choice can affect it, and barrel length always affects it.
with a low back pressure suppressor like the rc3 it was quite nice, but with the rc2 we would recommend looking into putting a heavier buffer and possibly an adjustable gas block on the gun
How is flash suppression on the RC2 with a Muzzle brake? I just installed a Muzzle brake and looking to get the RC2 can for it. Mine will be the 7.62 RC2 but I assume they are very similar in specs and dynamics besides the caliber being shot through it
The 556 RC2 with a muzzle break has really good flash suppression. The 7.62 may be a different story as the bore hole is bigger and thus allows more gasses (flash) to escape faster.
@@modernwarriorsut I see. Thanks for the reply! I am planning on getting the RC3 for my 13.7 556, the RC2 for my 308 and the 300 SPS for my 300 Blk and have been trying to do my research on everything
I find this almost as a step backwards for SF. I have 7.62 RC2 that i run on my 5.56 11.5 and 16" 6.5CM gas gun. The 556 has a birdcage and the 6.5 has a brake. They perform flawlessly and I have no issues with flame balls from "the wrong muzzle device." I like SF and their products, but this is silly for the price of the can. Throw an H3/heavy spring in your AR and seal the charging handle for like $100 and if the barrel isn't absurdly overgassed, you won't have a bunch of gas to the face and can keep your preferred MD.
I agree. Seems we've reached a point where companies are chasing maximum flowthrough to the point they are becoming quite loud with huge flashes and defeating the purpose of the can in the first place. All of this tradeoff so people don't have to bother tuning their gun? The overgassing issue is being hyped up in order to sell this new tech at 2x the price IMO.
@@alexisdetocqueville9964 it really is. If you’re spending the money to own a can, spend a little extra on something like a criterion barrel and do a bit of easy tuning to have it run reliably and comfortably. And don’t admit that your fancy expensive new can only works with one muzzle device after the fact.
why anyone would run anything but a 3 or 4 prong flash hider on their AR carbine is beyond me. I hate the closed Surefire flash hiders because they are harder to clean besides. I will still be ordering one for my 11.5” SBR. I’ll move my RC2 to another gun.
That goes for their other brakes too. How you supposed to operate when every damn round is like being next to a fucking grenade going off! I avoided this and went with GA m4sd2 to get away from that.
I had an ex-SF guy tell me that he liked the closed tine because it eliminated the risk of tines getting bent if you dropped the gun. Not sure how realistic that is, but the dude is qualified and it makes sense.
Every suppressed 5.56 mm I've ever fired is still loud and I still wear hearing protection. I just want something that will lower the bark without feeling like I'm being punched in the face with gas. The over gassing on cans I've shot is very noticeable, particularly on full auto. To me, less gas is more important than having the quietest can. I also always use flash hiders. I think muzzle brakes are kinda silly on 5.56. They amplify noise and flash if not using a can (and perhaps with a can) on a rifle that doesn't have a lot of recoil to begin with. Just my opinion. I'll buy an RC3 just to try it out for myself.
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Honestly glad I went with the Velos over the RC3. Comes with a muzzle device and is much less expensive while still having a lifetime warranty. No hate towards Surefire, just don't at all see a justification for the higher price tag.
@@modernwarriorsut My comment sounded a little snarky, sorry about that. It is just that a 5.56 comes out in the ballpark of 3,000 ft/s which means each frame on a typical 30fps camera is getting what happens every 100 feet the projectile flies. While you aren't recording the projectile, the muzzle flash also happens over a relatively short duration. Your camera's lower frame rate is what is 'likely' causing the inconsistent recording of muzzle flash. My guess is the first round came out with a little flash and the subsequent rounds came out with significantly less but the recording shows some shots with no flash at all and then others you can still see it clearly because the camera happened to be capturing it at that instant.
I don’t know a lot and I would humbly and respectfully ask, wouldn’t the muzzle attachment a difference? 3-4 prong vs bird cage or a different type? Again, I’ll be the 1st to say that I don’t know a lot although I’m trying to understand and learn.
For the price difference between the RC2 and the RC3, you could get a piston kit, not care about back gasses, and still have $300+ to spare. Bonus: all the benefits of a piston v. DI.
Asking your customers to pony up another $200 for a new muzzle device (per gun, if you ran closed tine on multiple rifles) or else your new $1800 can will spit fireballs is completely absurd. And of course it must be Surefire muzzle devices, since they refuse to use universal HUB mount like most other brands. Though I guess if you're dropping $2k on a can you're probably fine with throwing more money at it so it works. Personally I would stick with the RC2.
What do you mean universal mount like most others? There is no universal mount. Silencerco has their own mount. Dead Air has their own mount. Huxwrx has their own mount. Yankee Hill has their own mount. And the Silencer Central banish cans are direct thread. So I really don't know wtf you're talking about lol
I think surefire still droppped the ball. The can is sooooooo expensive, and its not even compatible with their overpriced muzzle devices that dont even come with the purchase of a can. They marketed the can to be backwards compatible, but its not. It must be sooooo embarrassing for surefire to have this issue. People think that surefire did tons and tons of r&d developing this can & its so obvious they didnt do any fucking r&d 😂😂😂😂😂 because anyone that shoots the can immediately relaizes it shoots a fucking fireball😂😂😂😂 this will be a stain on surefire forever. The fact that surefire released this can and didnt even know that it spits fireballs with their muzzle devices is mind blowing. Id hate to have to defend surefire rn but you guys did a good job of it with this video.
We actually agree with most of what you said. it is annoying that while the rc3 will technically fit on the old muzzle devices, it has such a drastic performance difference from one device to the other that the information put out by sf feels inaccurate. Hopefully as they are on the market longer the costs will come down some to help offset the cost some.
Surefire isn’t allowed to sell their suppressors cheaper to the commercial market than they do the government. And the military is their biggest customer.
Yeah I want one. But unfortunately my main squeeze is a pinned and welded 14.5 closed tine warcomp. And all my other muzzle devices have the open warcomp. So that blows.
Pushing this a little hard aren’t you. In your own words it louder and huge flash. And your improvement is that its not fireballs anymore? From what I’ve seen of the RC 2 quieter and less visible flash. So similar except…oh yeah RC3 is 700.00 more. Guys losing some credibility here.
Im sorry that you feel that way, but I think you missed the point or must not have finished the video. We found that the RC3, when set up properly, had a better flash reduction and less gas blowback than the RC2. But you are correct, the RC2 was quieter. So which is better really depends on what features you look for and prioritize when looking for a suppressor.
Love these idiots thinking flash matters when they will never step foot off the range…here’s the real psa: if you only shoot paper signature doesn’t matter
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Very well done. Thanks for wanting to be thorough and putting out the extra effort that brought the results people need.
Thank you, we hope it helps people form a better opinion on the suppressor
Its a good thing you covered/blurred the logo in MOST shots so we wouldn't know its a Huxwerx hat.
Who? What ever could you mean?
@@modernwarriorsut 😆
Merry Christmas to all of you at modern warriors! This in depth information solidified my purchase of the RC3!
I have some lung damage from burn pits so Im happy to get something less toxic thanks for your review
Anytime, i hope you found the information useful
@@modernwarriorsut thank you I did glad I didnt listen to the gun store salesman I think the rc3 is better for my purposes thanks gents
@@gordo3697 Im glad to hear that. Get the 3 or 4 prong muzzle device and you will have one hell of a can.
It’s a bad day to be a pin & weld guy.
or a very good day to be a gunsmith ;) haha but seriously though, it will be a headache for some.
Not if you can weld
Surefire has always recommended 3/4 prong muzzle devices for their suppressors anyway because the baffles last longer.
Thank you for testing this and the info. I've been looking at the RC3, and have both 3 and 4 prong FH. Super glad to see the results here! The most important IMO is the signature reduction. :)
Glad I could help!
I'm glad being a 3-prong and warcomp fan finally pays off, most of my muzzle devices are Surefire 3-prong. I've always been told the OTN's are bad because "ping" noises and brances. I recently P&W a CTN warcomp on a new upper just to try it out but haven't shot it yet, i wonder how it'd do with the RC3.
How did it run? Can you give an update?
I have heard a lot of reports that even the warcomps have issues with flash suppression. I have only been able to get nearly perfect flash reduction with vanilla flash hiders with no compensation.
Thanks for your honest opinion and not guys who just trying to sale a product cause its new
Thanks, you all gave me some affirmation. I have a 14.5 with a 3 prong, so I suppose if the 11.5 did so well then so will mine.
i would wager it will be very nice performing
I have a feeling this whole fireball thing is a complete oversight by SF. I suspect they tested it on a 3/4 prong FH and then assumed it would work just as well on the others.
We kinda feel the same way. It makes sense in a way that they were focused on the three and four prongs during testing because thats what a lot of the military/LE are running so thats what they focused on and spaced the comps. But that is pretty much just speculation on our part. But we are glad that the 3 prongs made all the difference
Awesome info!I would have never noticed since I have always been a FH guy by habit
100%, spot on. Very likely they never tested it with any other devices. I like FH over comp, but generally like the closed tine. In addition to not ringing, less likely to get damaged if you drop the gun.
Exactly. The military uses 4prong. Prob what it was tested on via SOCOM
Which is suppose to be better a 3 prong or 4 prong?
The RC2 has an extensive and consistently good track record. It's also considerable cheaper than the RC3.
Think I will just stick with the RC2. I need a second dedicated can for another AR I have, and I have been watching a bunch of reviews on the RC3. However, I don’t feel like the RC3 justifies an extra $800. 🤷🏻♂ Either way Surefire is getting my money, but maybe not the bigger chunk of it 😆
lol My $350 T2 sounds exactly the same as both the RC3 and 2 minus the flame thrower. Fuck paying over 1k for these suppressors. at the end of the day all 5.56 cans are blast shield/flashhider hybrids
@@IMABEAST191T2/T3 is a phenomenal can it’s hard to argue against them..muzzle device…cheap but good…can…cheap but good…unless you are the 1% that need the 5% better performance in signature reduction skip it
Excellent side by side comparison and explanations. I was wondering initially about sound suppression and backpressure but you covered that as well.
Very good review guys thank you for going back and checking with the three prong
Thank you! we are glad that a solution was found and we didnt have to 100% dog on the can haha
Thumbs up on the HUXWRX hat!
I’m really happy with my rc2 so happy that I actually have two lol
For the price of one RC3…almost
Great video guys. I'll be back down to Southern Utah soon!
Thank you!
thank god i have the 4 prong flash hider, im buying this rc3 asap
You will love it.
Im sticking with the RC2 and my Bootleg BCG....good work guys
Thats a solid set up
Thanks for the content boys
Im a huge surefire suppressor fan already i own 4 different ones and i have to get my hands on this new rc3 for sure. I wonder how the ctn would work with the rc3 im not a big fan of the 3 and 4 prongs flash hiders
Unfortunately it’s the worst for flash performance. Even on a 16” the CTFH makes it a flamethrower.
It won’t work well. I have a 7.62 mini and used it on a ctn, I was getting fireballs. Had to switch to open tine.
If you research surefire muzzle devices performance, you'd find that the muzzle brakes entirely change the system in the RC2 even (maybe not in the form of a fireball). Most people seem to run those to give it a sacrificial blast baffle and increase can life blah blah, but what it does is adds significant backpressure to the system itself thus causing other wear issues. On anything SBR, it's optimal to just run an open tined mount (personal opinion here... Don't run a brake on an SBR for f sake anyway). All that to say, it doesn't surprise me that the brake changes the whole system when you have flow through in there. It's adding huge pressure to everything, so gasses/unburnt powder now escape through the path of least resistance and boom, fireball. In a nutshell, the brakes add baffles (more baffles more pressure) to a system optimized without additional baffles. Surefire stuff was always designed around their standard flash hiders anyway.
Though this can is thankfully available to civilian consumers, it was produced and designed for the military first. Most units/armories run the 3/4 prong open tine so I would bet Surefire didn't test with other muzzle devices due to saving cost. Or if they did, they didn't care how closed tine and brakes flash since big MIL isn't using those. They are a military contract fullfillment company first and a comsumer market company second. I look forward to getting an RC3
I'll never understand why the 3 prong warcomp gets so much hate. This test really shows me that it is, exactly as I've known for a long time, the best muzzle device they make. Usually, but not always, if you want the best gear in these categories, look what the military is using. There is usually a good reason for it.
@@Sheild_against_the_wicked556 The ports on the Warcomp series are hell on suppressors unless you grease the ports like hell.
@seijiroukikuoka5975 that's funny because the 3 prong Warcomp is the most widely used in the military, and THEY are reporting 90,000+ rounds before having to be repaired by Surefire. SOCOM knows what they're doing, and I take my info from them.
@seijiroukikuoka5975 you do also realize that philosophy of use comes into play as well? This video PROVED what I already knew about the Warcomp. The Warcomp is designed to reduce muzzle flash to a bare minimum to keep you from being seen. It's all to do with signature reduction. My rifles are set up with the worst possible situation in mind. Their other mounts have their place, but for a defensive weapon that you may have to pick up to defend yourself, your family, your home and country, you need to make sure it's extremely difficult to be seen. Even if it is harder on the can, most people will never hit 90,000 rounds on one rifle.
Great comparison. Thank you.
thank you for the comment!
Rc2 imo unless u got a deeper pocket, you can always tune ur rifle as well.
3:22 he said it right twice bro. You’re good
Thank you very much for this video. I have an RC3 purchased but am waiting (groan) for tax stamp approval into my trust. I initially bought it because it is newer and supposedly better, but mostly it will quick attach to the Daniel Defense M4 SOCOM BLOCK 2 Clone that came from Daniel Defense with a Surfire three prong flash hider. At the time of purchase the true four prong was not available so DD disclosed and substituted the three prong. Also, because I had purchased a DD pistol with their own flash hider attached, I purchased a Surefire 3 prong to change out the DD part so that I could have quick detach ready when the RC3 arrives. Looks like I just lucked out all around! Again, thanks for the video. You made my day.
Im glad the videos information was useful and that you enjoyed it!
Excellent video - the handwritten label on the hat was major LOL
haha im glad someone thought it was funny!
This was very helpful, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I'm new to suppressors and I'm looking for one currently, I'm not sure if it matters but I'm just wondering if the guns you used were DI or piston guns. also great video
All the guns in the video were DI. But generally that wont make much of a difference as far as sound or flash output.
Piston guns usually suppress better and run cleaner. I still prefer di guns overall. Piston are heavier, more expensive, more parts, less common, and don’t have a lot of good options out there. I went with bcm bfh mk2 di upper receivers and aero precision lower. Great combination.
Sorry for trying to necro-post on such an old video, but did you guys play around with the WarComp 3-prong or just the standard 3-prong flash hider? I have zero can experience but I've been eyeballing the RC2/RC3 for a little while now... :D
I wonder what it will be like with a closed tine warcomp? Any thoughts as it’s not really a comp.
great video, this sold the RC3 for me. BTW do you have a link for the nightitme camo jacket you're wearing?
Glad we could help! The jacket is one i actually tailored to fit me. It was an old surplus DNC poncho that i modified
Excellent video. The real question is who makes that desert night camo jacket and the other tiger stripe jackets you guys have on? I need that in my life
haha Hunter custom made his own DNC coat out of an old surplus parka and he got the Tiger Stipe Jacket off amazon
What Surefire also won't tell you unless you email is that the warcomp was designed with "occasional" suppressed use in mind. Ive had rail panels blow off using a warcomp with a can. I emailed Surefire and they stated it was not meant to be suppressed unless it was a special use case. Just stick with the flash hiders or brakes to make the most of the labrynth seals.
Nice so only three prong not closed like there modified bird cage?
@@jeffdavis2029 3 or 4 prong will work
Lbp suppressors are still a relatively new and emerging technology. Give it time. They'll get better.
Great info, thanks guys. Man,wish you could have also tested with an open tine warcomp too. I have 2 pinned builds and imagine warcomp might be the same flash reduction as the FH but not sure.
The warcomp should be much more inline with the open-tine flash-hiders, than the closed-tine parts. It was developed with mil-ammo, so your ammo choice can affect it, and barrel length always affects it.
You should check out pew science testing of the ot warcomp vs the 3 prong fh. The warcomp is the worst sf muzzle device for suppressors
I was with SF during the development of the RC3, but wasn't there for the finished testing. @@tc_18718
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Is the 12.5 zion a good host? Is it gassed well?
with a low back pressure suppressor like the rc3 it was quite nice, but with the rc2 we would recommend looking into putting a heavier buffer and possibly an adjustable gas block on the gun
@@modernwarriorsut awesome thanks
How is flash suppression on the RC2 with a Muzzle brake? I just installed a Muzzle brake and looking to get the RC2 can for it. Mine will be the 7.62 RC2 but I assume they are very similar in specs and dynamics besides the caliber being shot through it
The 556 RC2 with a muzzle break has really good flash suppression. The 7.62 may be a different story as the bore hole is bigger and thus allows more gasses (flash) to escape faster.
@@modernwarriorsut I see. Thanks for the reply! I am planning on getting the RC3 for my 13.7 556, the RC2 for my 308 and the 300 SPS for my 300 Blk and have been trying to do my research on everything
I find this almost as a step backwards for SF. I have 7.62 RC2 that i run on my 5.56 11.5 and 16" 6.5CM gas gun. The 556 has a birdcage and the 6.5 has a brake. They perform flawlessly and I have no issues with flame balls from "the wrong muzzle device." I like SF and their products, but this is silly for the price of the can. Throw an H3/heavy spring in your AR and seal the charging handle for like $100 and if the barrel isn't absurdly overgassed, you won't have a bunch of gas to the face and can keep your preferred MD.
I agree. Seems we've reached a point where companies are chasing maximum flowthrough to the point they are becoming quite loud with huge flashes and defeating the purpose of the can in the first place. All of this tradeoff so people don't have to bother tuning their gun? The overgassing issue is being hyped up in order to sell this new tech at 2x the price IMO.
@@alexisdetocqueville9964 it really is. If you’re spending the money to own a can, spend a little extra on something like a criterion barrel and do a bit of easy tuning to have it run reliably and comfortably. And don’t admit that your fancy expensive new can only works with one muzzle device after the fact.
@13:19 what type of illumination (looks IR) are you using in conjunction with the SiOnyx?
it was the IR flashlight that came with the Sionyx package we picked up. Its great for helping when filming in very dark nights.
why anyone would run anything but a 3 or 4 prong flash hider on their AR carbine is beyond me. I hate the closed Surefire flash hiders because they are harder to clean besides. I will still be ordering one for my 11.5” SBR. I’ll move my RC2 to another gun.
We loved it on the 11.5 we ran it on. With the 3 prong it made it a very solid can
That goes for their other brakes too. How you supposed to operate when every damn round is like being next to a fucking grenade going off! I avoided this and went with GA m4sd2 to get away from that.
I can't stand the ping of the 3 and 4 prong flash hiders. The knights 3 prong has zero ping.
I had an ex-SF guy tell me that he liked the closed tine because it eliminated the risk of tines getting bent if you dropped the gun. Not sure how realistic that is, but the dude is qualified and it makes sense.
Agree. Silencerco made all of the prongs of slightly different length to eliminate the ping.@@2A.Freedom
The fireballs can also be from the 3D printing process. (see Hux manual). They need to be broken in.
possibly, but these fireballs were much bigger than anything ive seen from even a brand new HUX.
@@modernwarriorsut thats a bummer for 1800 😂 great video thanks!
Every suppressed 5.56 mm I've ever fired is still loud and I still wear hearing protection. I just want something that will lower the bark without feeling like I'm being punched in the face with gas. The over gassing on cans I've shot is very noticeable, particularly on full auto. To me, less gas is more important than having the quietest can. I also always use flash hiders. I think muzzle brakes are kinda silly on 5.56. They amplify noise and flash if not using a can (and perhaps with a can) on a rifle that doesn't have a lot of recoil to begin with.
Just my opinion. I'll buy an RC3 just to try it out for myself.
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Honestly glad I went with the Velos over the RC3. Comes with a muzzle device and is much less expensive while still having a lifetime warranty. No hate towards Surefire, just don't at all see a justification for the higher price tag.
When is the mini 3 coming out?
you're guess is as good as ours. Maybe they will show something off at shot?
You need to capture the muzzle flash with a camera that is at a higher frame rate.
That is actually super helpful information! Ill keep that in mind while filming next time
@@modernwarriorsut My comment sounded a little snarky, sorry about that. It is just that a 5.56 comes out in the ballpark of 3,000 ft/s which means each frame on a typical 30fps camera is getting what happens every 100 feet the projectile flies. While you aren't recording the projectile, the muzzle flash also happens over a relatively short duration. Your camera's lower frame rate is what is 'likely' causing the inconsistent recording of muzzle flash. My guess is the first round came out with a little flash and the subsequent rounds came out with significantly less but the recording shows some shots with no flash at all and then others you can still see it clearly because the camera happened to be capturing it at that instant.
@@JenkinsStevenD i didnt take it as snarky at all, honestly i thought it was a valid and very helpful comment.
I don’t know a lot and I would humbly and respectfully ask, wouldn’t the muzzle attachment a difference? 3-4 prong vs bird cage or a different type? Again, I’ll be the 1st to say that I don’t know a lot although I’m trying to understand and learn.
I posted this at the beginning of this video. They answered my question. Thank you.
Question, has anyone used this with their 4 prong flash hider? Local gun shop recommended it for use with this RC3 over the 3 prong.
Was wondering the same thing for my 14.5 URGI upper
So, while we didnt try the 4 prongs ourselves. We have talked with guys who have and they said it acts the same as the 3 prongs.
I’ve heard 3 prong has better flash suppression over the 4 prong.
The flash hider being better at hiding flash? Crazy.
What upper/lower are you using on your setup
One gun was a Radian 11.5 SBR and the other was a 12.5 IWI Zion SBR
Does anyone know the Db comparison on the RC2 vs RC3?
Surefire said it was about 1db louder. Barley can tell a difference. Rc3 definitely worth it
After their “discovery” about flash performance it should be shipping with an open tine device. Especially being over 2k after tax’s.
agreed. It would be nice
Does the closed tine flashhider play nice with this can?
We didnt get a chance to try it out ourselves, so im not sure unfortunately.
No. I had a 7.62 mini with a closed tine and it shot fireballs
it is must item for me when I walk to my range at night. it lightens up my path as a flame torch
How does it work with the warcomp
Unfortunately we didn't test a war comp specifically, so we couldn't say for sure.
19:16 laughed so hard, that tortoise is gettin' it done.
The real ones find the jems at the end of the video!
Would it be good with a 4 prong?
Yes
For the price difference between the RC2 and the RC3, you could get a piston kit, not care about back gasses, and still have $300+ to spare. Bonus: all the benefits of a piston v. DI.
You still get gas back through the barrel in a piston gun but I see your point
@@pilotincommand85this is absolutely right. No matter the system you use. The only gun without the blowback is a manual action like a bolt gun.
At the cost of all the downsides of a piston gun, *and* extra downsides involved with a piston AR
Explain to me how TH-cam automatically keeps unsubscribing us from your channel…
sadly they arent helping promote this type of content.
yep
RC2 with reduced back pressure, so like an SB2???
Maybe I missed it but what is the length of the rifle in the first test?
12.5
@@modernwarriorsut Thank you.
Also, how awful is the rc2/rc3 length on a 16. I'm trying to decide between that and the mini.
@@billdewahl7007 its not bad, but it definitely feels long.
So can the RC2 run with a closed tine ?
Yes
Can you mortar it if it gets stuck?
Yes
I'm shook y'all only have 8k subscribers
Thats the nicest compliment you could have given us, thank you!
Not trying to be a smarty pants but they do call it a flash hider for a reason ☺️
Asking your customers to pony up another $200 for a new muzzle device (per gun, if you ran closed tine on multiple rifles) or else your new $1800 can will spit fireballs is completely absurd. And of course it must be Surefire muzzle devices, since they refuse to use universal HUB mount like most other brands. Though I guess if you're dropping $2k on a can you're probably fine with throwing more money at it so it works. Personally I would stick with the RC2.
What do you mean universal mount like most others? There is no universal mount. Silencerco has their own mount. Dead Air has their own mount. Huxwrx has their own mount. Yankee Hill has their own mount. And the Silencer Central banish cans are direct thread. So I really don't know wtf you're talking about lol
that is valid point.
would you go with the RC3 or a 7.62 mini ?
If you get the proper muzzle device, i would rather have the rc3 personally
Knights crs prt blows this out of the water.
Id love to get my hands on one to try out!
I was wondering if you guys think the four prong flash hider also works?
Yes it will do fine
I think surefire still droppped the ball. The can is sooooooo expensive, and its not even compatible with their overpriced muzzle devices that dont even come with the purchase of a can. They marketed the can to be backwards compatible, but its not. It must be sooooo embarrassing for surefire to have this issue. People think that surefire did tons and tons of r&d developing this can & its so obvious they didnt do any fucking r&d 😂😂😂😂😂 because anyone that shoots the can immediately relaizes it shoots a fucking fireball😂😂😂😂 this will be a stain on surefire forever. The fact that surefire released this can and didnt even know that it spits fireballs with their muzzle devices is mind blowing. Id hate to have to defend surefire rn but you guys did a good job of it with this video.
Knock that chip off your shoulder, it’s not a good look for a grown man
We actually agree with most of what you said. it is annoying that while the rc3 will technically fit on the old muzzle devices, it has such a drastic performance difference from one device to the other that the information put out by sf feels inaccurate. Hopefully as they are on the market longer the costs will come down some to help offset the cost some.
Not with that price tag.
Considering this can is $1800, it’s unacceptable.
Def not ideal thats for sure. Glad that it works well though with the right muzzle device
Surefire isn’t allowed to sell their suppressors cheaper to the commercial market than they do the government. And the military is their biggest customer.
Yeah I want one. But unfortunately my main squeeze is a pinned and welded 14.5 closed tine warcomp. And all my other muzzle devices have the open warcomp. So that blows.
Pushing this a little hard aren’t you. In your own words it louder and huge flash. And your improvement is that its not fireballs anymore? From what I’ve seen of the RC 2 quieter and less visible flash. So similar except…oh yeah RC3 is 700.00 more. Guys losing some credibility here.
Im sorry that you feel that way, but I think you missed the point or must not have finished the video. We found that the RC3, when set up properly, had a better flash reduction and less gas blowback than the RC2. But you are correct, the RC2 was quieter. So which is better really depends on what features you look for and prioritize when looking for a suppressor.
All those muddy girls running warcomps mad.
Love these idiots thinking flash matters when they will never step foot off the range…here’s the real psa: if you only shoot paper signature doesn’t matter
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i too listen to quality content while i rest.
Paperweight
Carcinogenic is a word that means cancer... lol
haha we know, we just struggled to say it