Traditional vs Flow Through Suppressors
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The comment about flow through cans not cycling subsonic ammunition was a tad misleading. Flow through suppressors do not reduce back pressure below the level of an unsuppressed rifle. If the rifle will cycle subsonic ammo without the can, it will most certainly do so with the can. I think what they mean to say is that traditional baffle stack suppressors help a rifle that isn't set up to cycle subsonics do so because they increase back pressure while flow through suppressors do not.
Was thinking the same . If it won't cycle with the helper ,how could it ever function without the extra back pressure? The distance from the gas block to muzzle does not get shorter adding suppression .
i think you misunderstood what they were saying. if its tuned for supersonic with whichever suppressor, using a lower pressure cartridge like subs could potentially cause failure to eject/feeds without tuning it to the new round being used
You guys should do types of mounts and muzzle devices for suppressors as a video. Would help me out a lot
Right, A2 QD options as well plz
This
Me too
thats easy because you can look at that solo.. they all have there own
I just read up on that subject, super confusing!
Until the NFA is repealed, im just here for the sake of knowledge.
😂
So odd when some things are more free in socialist oppressive Europe. :)
Yea that ain’t happening
Hooray Reagan 🖕NFA 86
Just get it over with. The NFA ain’t going away.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the heat/cooling rate, they are built with that in mind and will be able to handle it, tho it’s definitely also a good idea to check the owners manuals to see how much of it they are built to handle. Usually what ever that is tends to be on the conservative side similarly to how barrels that aren’t rated for +P ammunition still need to be able to handle a proof load.
That being said, I would choose flow through most of the time for a semi automatic for gassing management (both of the operations system and blow back to the face) as well as because it will be better on the longevity of internal parts. Those aren’t concerns for lever or bolt action firearms and if more likely go with a more traditional baffle cannon one of those.
I dont seem to have issues with tuning. My biggest factors in choosing a can is weight, length, price and lastly noise reduction.
Are we just gonna act like all the big suppressor manufacturers weren't looking down on huxwrx and saying their silencers were gimmicks and then suddenly all the big players are making "Flow-Through" low back pressure suppressors and calling it their innovative idea because I remember. Where is surefire's new suppressor because they have been dormant on new designs forever and shitting on Huxwrx, a few years ago Doug Olson(Retired) from Knights Armament said in an interview that 3D printed suppressors were not the future and look at KAC now, B&T from Switzerland are gonna act like they invented all the baffle tech already used in most silencer yet they were caught copying KAC baffles in the 90s curtesy of HK giving them KAC suppressor tech used on their guns, they're probably also gonna claim they were doing the reduced back pressure cans for a long time before huxwrx.
Rocket scientists make a suppressor and they were pooped on. Now their 556 flow K can has the FBI HRT contract. Only thing surefire and KAC have is they are good cans at night, just don't cry with the amount of gas in your face lol.
Dude Kacs new cans are not only 3D printed but flow through as well, also surefire has patents for both a flow through suppressor design and the name “RC3” lmao
@@MatthewC176 I know about the new KACs cans being "Flow-Through" but I was just quoting a silencer designer legend from KAC. I can't wait for Surefire to enter the chat because even if the new cans are awesome, the die hard silencer fans will remember them throwing shade on Huxwrx only to shutup and follow in their footsteps.
I'm just beginning to look at centerfire rifle suppressors and it is overwhelming with all the options out there. Your video has been extremely helpful in answering all my questions. Thank you!
One point I wish had been discussed was comparing internal and external pistons (OR, piston v DI). It seems like an external piston is more suppressor-friendly, since there is (AIUI) less gas being blown back into the receiver.
# repeale the NFA!!!!!!
An kiki
Hold your breathe for another hundred years and repeat!
Those modular cans also allow you to dial down the diameter. The suppressor base may be able to accept a 9mm for example, but the added baffle modules can bring the exit to a .22 which greatly increases the decibel reduction of that caliber.
I have two builds planned, one an AR-15 SPR in 6mm ARC and one an AR-10 SBR in 8.6mm Blackout. When I finally get to the suppressor step, the former is getting a HUXWRX suppressor and the latter a Q Short Chop.
One thing worth noting is that with a supersonic round, you're still going to have a substantial report. The advantage of a suppressor, besides the hearing protection, is that the sound is distorted and diffused. I can't see a flow-through design effecting that, considering that the gasses are being ejected from the can radially.
This channel always manages to put out a video related to what I’m thinking about buying.
Is that the case or is it the inverse.......just very tactfully planned
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@@asylumrdmszac4311 nailed it
Love my nomad L on my 9" 300 blk. Super quiet i was impressed
The suppressor industry is getting a lot cooler as of late. I just bought the new Huxwrx Ventum since that thing just seems excellent all around. Flow through, removable core, etc. Seems excellent for any possible baffle strikes since cores aren’t serialized. Would be even cooler if you could swap different cores for different applications.
What different applications are you thinking of
Depends on the application. Flow through isn't always the best option with NV.
issue being illuminating gases in front of the gun?
good explanation enjoy it first time listening keep up the good works wiil be watching more
excellent vid, very helpful. thanks!
Flow through is the new way to go. . .
Agreed!
This is the way
For gas guns for sure
Yes! I have two! 😄
Not for a bolt action.
Since suppressors are now legal to own without special permits beyond your gun-license in Sweden, and no tax-stamp, most hunters and sportshooters are getting them -- and we have local brands that manufacture great ones.
Lucky bastards, share some of that freedom with America will ya
@@VadersFirstThings are going changing here in recent time, very odd -- this year it became fully permissible to use ANY semi-automatic rifle of enough barell-length for hunting too, so both my brother and I got ARs and so on...very unexpected.
@@ZarkowsWorld yeah where I live I can hunt with any center fire rifle, any gauge, any grain, etc. but if I want to slap a can on the front to preserve the hearing of all the other animals around, I gotta pay a tax, register, and wait for months for approval
@@VadersFirstYeah, all kinds of backwards.
Same here in France, suppressors have always been free to purchase and use. No paperwork at all.
I really would like to get a supressor, but I just don't trust the ATF not to go. "Na fam, we changed our mind. Turn in your thousand dollar piece of gear or become a felon."
Have you even been convicted of a felony? If no they literally can’t
@@lionlocVanDwellington dude the government literally does whatever they want all the time with zero accountability. the word "can't" isn't in their vocabulary.
I have had mine for over 7 years. Just bought another one. Wait times have been reduced dramatically.
Nicely done video, learned a lot
Huxwrx 762Ti ,the 1st test I did was to mount it on the Daniel Defense mk18 with that 10.3 barrel. MK18 way over gas from Factory. MK18 ran like a champ, no recoil that I can feel, no gas to the face. Only fired 3 Mags, but when I got home to clean the MK18, it was like I never fired any rounds suppressed.
Might want to re-read your comment, it makes no sense as it stands currently!
@@seanridner1385 You may want to read it a bit slower, it makes sense to me.
Nice, I got their 556K for mine. Love how it shoots with a H3 buffer+spring from Geissele. Very soft and a pleasure to shoot.
I bought a surefire rc2 for my mk18, starting to think I should have got a huxwrx instead
@@joemiller410should I get the sf socom mini or huxwrx
Very informative, thanks! I need to research to see if there is an ideal can for my 45-70 lever gun + .308 gas + .22 ARC bolt. I don't need 3 separate cans I'm sure but hoping I can find a decent general purpose one to fill the need across this wide array of calibers. I already own the Banish30 but the lever gun of course won't work with that. Keep up the great work you guys!
First time seeing the new intro. Looks great!
OSS/HW flow through, the end :)
Only suppressed gun I ever shot was a Tavor... Didn't even get one mag through it and I could barely keep going... Now that owner has a Flow, and I'm interested to see if that changes it.
I'd like to see you guys test out adjustable bcg's like the Sharps SAGRS with baffled suppressors. Also best buffer weights for different barrel lengths for 5.56 and .300aac
I haven’t been able to find suppressor capable BCG’s anymore?? I don’t know what happened to them
@@JamesMcCoy84KAK industries make some innovative stuff in regards to redirecting gases during suppressor use.
I haven't gotten into the suppressor thing yet. I am educating myself with videos like this. It didn't take long for me to have a favorite. I'm a fan of flow through. I'm waiting for the Texas suppressor case to get finalized to see what becomes available in my area. If I have to pay the $200, flow through. I literally moved from Las Vegas to Texas just because of the constitutional carry & Texas suppressor laws.
we are screwed on that texas suppressor bill bud. I am also now just going to pay the tax stamp. Also, I am in Tyler TX and have a cerakote business if youre ever needing something done.
@@robbieknight4508 yeah, that sucks. I got a new 300 blackout 8 inch build going. I want to top it off with a small can for home defense. After shooting a 9 in a closed space, 🦻 ringing ears for a few hours. Not fun. What's that company name? I'll keep you in mind if anything comes up in the future.
@@parkerbryanl Knights armory cerakoting
Great video
Anyway you can do a bolt action rifle surpressor video?
Best for a bolt action?
Quietest option? For a .223cal bolt gun.
As far as “first suppressor” goes it’s hard to beat the Mystic X. It’s a great multi caliber jack of all trades like can. And if you decide later to get more niche specific cans than great you still have an awesome 9mm specific can with a lot of versatility.
i'd put SilencerCo Omega 36m against that personally
@@ascalon132 you can’t shoot 22lr in that, Mystic X you can.
@@wbryan03 Sure you can, they just ask that you fire some 556 or something spicier out after to blast the .22 filth out after.
@@ascalon132same, I probably shoot more .22 lr out of mine than anything else
@@wbryan03 counterpoint: Is the Mystic X rated for 338 Lapua or just up to 300 win mag? 36m can do both.
Also the Mystic looks pretty long, 36m has the ability to go long or K configuration (which i mostly use on K for my preferences but like the option of going long ~20% of the time)
flow thru for if im using a semi auto or automatic gun, but if im using bolt action or single shot guns i prefer baffled
Good stuff guys!
You can make a HBP can sound really good, and your gun run *RIGHT*, you just have to do more to regulate the gas drive of your gun. Piston guns actually reach a point where they seize up at the piston.... while simply adding lube to the carrier of a std AR literally remedies this issue across thousands of suppressed rounds.
Wish you Guys could have had the Yankee Hill Machine YHM Fat Cat R9 , T3 on stage in this comparison , it's a short fat new design on the market. I think the Huxwrx gas forward flow through design is the best thing on the market today.
What's your take on adjustable bolt carrier groups like the Bootleg brand that can be adjusted with 4 settings?
So if the sound at the mussel on a flow through is the same on as unsupressed then would a flow through be louder in an indoor home defense situation than a traditional can?
Don't forget blast forwarders and so called linear compensators. I've had a lot of relief with larger gas gun rounds like 6mm arc, 6.5g etc using larger linear comps like the magnum KVP and badlands integrated muzzle break. . The large KVP acts like the first chamber of a silencer and the badlands has structures like a quasi flow through. Surely doesn't do as much as full on silencers but man, what a relief for me and fellow shooters vs many other muzzle devices such as flash hiders, muzzle breaks. Granted I'm not typically using an SBR but for 16" it is a huge help. Haven't asked the bucks down range what they thought of the noise but may some day.
How much of the first set of pros and cons apply to a bolt action instead of a gas gun?
All of the still have a flash signature, shoot them in the dark and you’ll see the flash. Some cans do better than others. But still have a flash signature
There is no way to completely eliminate flash as powder builds up in the can or at the end of the barrel but most flash hiders and suppressors are capable of functionally eliminating it
@@noway6633yea he said you won’t see any flash with any can lol
@@FullSendRebuildsYeah, from the shooter's perspective that's usually true. If your suppressor doesn't eliminate flash, it's not a very good suppressor.
I would love to see the huxworks 556k compared with the silencerco velos lbp can.
Velos has a better tone and is quieter and less flash, also has a better lifespan and warranty, the 556k is just shorter and more complex. They cost the same and both full auto rated have no barrel restrictions. VELOS has better mounting compatibility. Velos is longer and heavier though, long story short they are about the same lol
Would a huxwrx flow 762 ti be a good fit for my LWRC m6ic di?
How about recoil difference between them ?
i wonder how the hux wrx suppressors would hold up and work in a ultra sonic cleaner with the correct solvent as its a 1 piece can and ultra sonic are know to clean quicker and easier
You will have to tune subsonic loads to your set up or
Which flow through suppressors would you recommend for 9mm handgun?
Thanks!
Thanks for the support!
Love the new intro
@ClassicFirearms what is the tall suppressor that Matt was wiping when the video started
Pistol caliber or boltgun baffles. Selfloading rifle flowthrough
Didn't know you guys had someone with LE experience working for you. Usually its Military people who honestly aren't that well versed in using weapons CONUS. If I ever go to the middle east I want to hear from Vets. Here state side I want to hear from a variety of LE (different locals, and feds).
just bought the HUXWRX Flow 762 Ti yesterday. its gonna be a long wait
Yeah sorry. It took 10 months for mine. Got the can in two days but ATF jail for the 10 months.
Man I truly appreciate Matt's knowledge. This man must be protected at all costs.
Matt and to a certain extent, Clint, are the reasons I watch now. The knowledge from Matt and Clint’s real world thoughts are presented in such a perfect way. I really miss Alek’s banter and different take on things though! Kaya, I am not a fan of… at all. And he reminds me of someone else I despise with every fiber of my body, so that doesn’t help.
I like kaya. I don't know him personally but he seems pretty cool
@@thevictorianconservative1093 I didn't care for Kaya at first. I think it was because he looked uncomfortable and wasn't smooth on camera. He is fitting in and I see him doing more and more.
@@thevictorianconservative1093 I had to turn to vid off when Kaya went on a rant about ice on an airplane wing being analogus to buildup inside the baffle chamber. He sounded like that stoner friend mid shower-thought on a couch.
Question of what task the suppressor has to accomplish. In not civilian circles the operator wants a low signature, aka less sound transported to the threat. That way the target has more problems to identify the location of the shooter. Not ideal for the operator since pressure, gas and sound are more uncomfortable. Civilians want it exactly the other way around.
Very informative. Given everything that you guys said, the flow through suppressors are, by far, the better choice.
The main selling point for me, is the superior wellbeing of the shooter, and the firearm itself. Any other considerations are secondary.
I learned a lot.
So which design is quieter?
I am really new to suppressors. Thank you for a very informative video. However, I did notice that your display had different length suppressors. What affect does suppressor length have? Thank you again for an awesome video.
basically weight and sound profile. longer = heavier but quieter. shorter = lighter and louder
@@1414lildude Thank you for the info. I just learned also that it will take at least a year to get approval to have one. Wasn't aware of that either. Thank you again.
@@briandoody4954 well it could be a year could be less. Some people ive heard get theirs in 2 months. Kind of a gamble but with the current lawsuits it might be worth waiting for the atf tk be abolished and not having to file anything at all. Just a thought
@@1414lildude Thank you, I appreciate the feedback. Enjoy the holiday
In South Africa we have a lot of experience with suppressors on Bolt action Hunting rifles.
First Major concern is weight and the second is recoil reduction.
• We use silencers that go over the barrel (reflex) to bring the weight a bit closer to the pivot point.
• You did not discuss Recoil reduction, and that is almost more important to South African shooters that the noise reduction.
If recoil reduction and weight is more important than sound suppression why are you talking about suppressors…muzzle brakes exist, will reduce recoil ten fold and at less than half the weight.
That’s like sayings you’re shopping for a sports car and fuel efficiency and cargo space are the most important factors.
Nonsense.
Anyone know what form to fill out to purchase and which for to manufacture??
2questions
To clean can you soak and use a ultrasonic cleaner?
Can you use the 762 flowthrough for multiple calibers?
Ultrasonic cleaners work very well for the suppressors that are not able to disassemble.
You can always use a bigger suppressor for a smaller caliber, provided the threads match, but you can never go up. Using a suppressor meant for a 7.62 with a .22 cal will be less effective because so much gas can go around the bullet. Using a .22 cal suppressor on a 7.62 will result in a ruined suppressor, possible damage to the firearm and potentially severe injuries to the shooter and bystanders.
It was never brought up ... and I am at the beginning of my suppressor journey ...
What about baffle strikes? minimal impact with many suppressors as they have a "removable serial number" section.... Any knowledge to add OP's or Huxworks?
We can fix most issues now with 3d printing. So no need to worry!
HuxWrx suppressor’s are full auto rated!
Yes we are!
That's also why planes are also always clean, same with race cars.
WoW..! This is so simple, so easy to engineer but how hard are they to sale at 600.00 and up?
I absolutely couldn’t find any answers anywhere else for this question. So does the length of the suppressor add velocity to the barrel. For example: you have a mcx rattler 5.5 inches barrel in 556 chamber . If you put an 8 inches suppressor on, does the velocity output acts like you are shooting from a 13.5 = 8 + 5.5 inches barrel or it’s just the same as 5.5 inches barrel?
Adding a suppressor will indeed increase the velocity, but by a marginal, some say negligible amount. I've seen ~15-30 from some folks I trust, 50 at the highest end.
Why is there no comprehensive parametric filter for suppressors? Silencershop has the start of one but even it is far from comprehensive. Theirs has no option to filter flow or non-flow types as an example of one of the missing categories.
"How much are they?"
"Well.. you know, you pay for the technology"
... best answer.
You did not talk about mounting options.
9:10 Decibel to shooter's ear
Can y’all get Kaya a bigger shirt?
How y’all be getting those I won’t one
I have a X95 as my go to rifle....Its flow thru or nothing!😂😂😂
So when can we expect to see a few hybrid options 😅 best of both worlds as it may be 🤔😉
I'm a rookie when it comes to suppressors. I don't own any, yet. I'm taking in all the info to later decide what to buy. So keep it coming. all info is welcomed.
Surefire RC2 is the way for 5.56
Im looking for a 7.62 ×39 flowthough for my zastava pap92. I sold my 85 because i dont see the point in short 5.56 pistols. I also need one for 300 blk when i finish my build, but i dont know if a universal can is worth it instead of dedicated. I would save a lot of money, but i want a shorter can, and they are all long. Any ideas?
How much cost?
Flow through from experience.
Can I get the list of the flow through models in the caption?
I have a 204 single shot ruger, can you make a suppressor so I don't have to dumb the bullet down
None..why should I be the atf's sugar daddy 😂😂😂😂
I see no Griffin Armament M4SD II Suppressor, they came up with the flow threw in a way.
So is this an ad for a single company with a patent on it, while only offering it in 4-5 calibers?
I wish they would have touched on the need for a booster for pistols and do you need a booster for pistol caliber carbines? I don't care about the heating/cooling. I want efficiency in noise suppression.
Most of the modern suppressors are light enough that they don't require the use of a Neilsen device.
Neilsen devices (boosters) are only necessary for pistols with a Browning style lock-up system. Most PCCs are just blowback operated so they won't need one at all. Btw, PCCs suppress really well because of the low pressure, but some rounds that are subsonic from a pistol can be supersonic from a 16" barrel.
What would be helpful is if you showed your close-ups in an enlarged split screen so your viewers can see in better detail. Editting.
Heat/IR signature?
Flow-through suppressors for me
Slip 2000 in high school … lol good one
If you had a recommendation on what ar to get what would you suggest. Price isn’t much of an issue but I’m new to the ar scene and want a nice one. Was looking a Daniel defenses and the new sig spear but open to others
Sons of Liberty 13.7
PWS mk114 p&w or mk116
DD (except trade out the milspec trigger), BCM, Knights Armament, & SOL are all great options, but another one to consider if you’re looking for concealability that’s newer but still quite impressive IMHO is FoldAR. Similar price range to the DDM4 but with a very unique folding system where you can fold a full length 16” AR in half (or 3rds for some pistol models) to fit in a small backpack, and they come with the backpack too. Quite a few positive YT reviews on them, some cool modularity options (easily swap complete barrels with one pin), and even have bootleg BCGs for running suppressed. Worth the look at least, but hard to go wrong with any of the others.
Id love a hux 7.62
Same!
So based on this info do you recommend a flow through for a 300 blackout 10.5” barrel that will be subsonic only?
Flow through is better for supersonic
When getting a suppressor, weight is the #1 consideration you should keep in mind (sound suppression isn't a problem anymore). Go titanium whenever possible! ...As for a flow thru VS a traditional baffled suppressor, you should only get the flow thru if your rifle does NOT have an adjustable gas block; otherwise there is no downside to using a traditional baffled suppressor in a rifle that HAS an adjustable gas block.
Longevity is the #1 consideration, after sound suppression. Period. Titanium for most heavy use platforms is not the way to go due to it's issues with heat.
@@noway6633 I have a titanium suppressor, & am almost to the 1k mark on it. I've had it for 1yr & 10mos. Explain to me how anyone can get "heavy use" out of their suppressor that isn't an operator who does it for a job. Seriously, you're overthinking it.
@@ericbergfield6451that’s all?!? 😂
@@spankhill7722 I have multiple tools, I don't just bring 1 single tool to the range, over & over & over again.
@@ericbergfield6451taking classes/ training with a gun.
Which is better on special operation lpvo or red dot?
i love my "OSS"
and after see and shooting other i do not belive there is a better one.. you can try to tell me they aren't military tested like some. but the oss/huxwrx is the best IMO,
Guys, you need to look up Bernoulli's Principle. A suppressor isn't trapping gasses in chambers to slow the gasses down. The suppressor is forcing the gas through a constriction to decrease pressure. Sound volume is directly related to pressure. The gasses aren't slowing down. they are actually speeding up
Yes, suppressors trap gasses and slow the gasses down. When something is forced through a constriction, it INCREASES the pressure, but there are no constrictions in these suppressors, so that's a moot point. How do you consider going from .22" to 1.5" a constriction? It's an expansion. As the gasses expand and COOL they slow down and the pressure drops. If you look at sound level meter testing, you'll see suppressors have a much longer but lower peak sound level. That's because the gasses are cooler and moving slower, at a lower pressure than at the muzzle.
@joshrandall3632 anything that causes the gasses to change direction is a constriction. The baffles and chambers inside the suppressor are constrictions to the flow of the gasses, just like the curved top of an airplane wing is a condlstrictuon to the flow of air creating a low pressure area above the wing and thereby lift. Physics my guy. Increased velocity, lowered pressure. Sound level is pressure, lower sound level, lower pressure.
@@douglasfletcher718 The hot gas isn't sound. The sound is created when the hot gas slams into the cold dense air after the bullet exits. Suppressors don't work by speeding things up. They work by slowing down some of the gas so it doesn't all slam into the cold air at once. I think you also have a common misconception about airplane wing lift. Its the angle of attack that matters most, and how it creates a high pressure area under the wing. The curved top of the wing helps a little, but if that were the main source of lift then bi-wing stunt planes couldn't fly upside down.
@alexe589 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 not even worth the effort of replying. Thanks for the laugh, and have a great day, merry Christmas and happy New Year!
@@douglasfletcher718 Not worth the effort, but you still replied.🤡
He's right and apparently any science past 5th grade is beyond you.
I need one
I'm gonna put a muffler on my car, because it's more pleasant, but not any more dangerous. Don't you dare try that with your weapon(s) though
Bye?
Is there a suppressor that will work on 5.56 and on 308?
308 suppressors usually also work on 5.56 rifles.
I think Kai was in the bureau of the small bus about firearms. Lol jk