Fantasy's TvZ was initially considered weakpoint of his matchups, with it being lower than his other matchup winrates. His bio SK Terran was considered weak by many, with it seemingly being a stumbling block to his tournament runs. Also, during this time was where TvZ was dominated by aggressive SK Terran play focusing around denying 4th gas, with mech being increasingly niche. He approached to fix this through various odd strategies such as valk-bio, goliath-bio, valk-goliath and likes. Then it eventually shifted with the introduction of mech switch, with him going on to go from 50% TvZ winrate in 2009 to skyrocketing past 60% winrate in later years. Fantasy went on to overcome his weakness in SK Terran to become a top SK Terran player in his later years. --- Mech switch went on to establish itself as major cornerstone of TvZ meta, with it being extremely popular to play from 2009-2020 to point people claimed TvZ was "solved". But from 2020, major meta shift to 2h openers occured, and with advancement Queen-based mech switch counters making it difficult to execute, mech switch nearly disappeared in progames. It had brief revival earlier this year with +1 valkyrie build, but post-mech switch TvZ have mostly moved in with BC-based SK terran plays that could hold up itself against 4 gas+ Zergs. In the video, Fantasy disagrees and feels that mech switch holds up even against the advancement of Queen-based counters, but we haven't seen/heard details on it yet. overview summary from: namu.wiki/w/%EC%A0%95%EB%AA%85%ED%9B%88(%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EA%B2%8C%EC%9D%B4%EB%A8%B8)#s-2.2.1
Thanks for clearing this up, I thought it was oov behind it for years as well. The subbed game is such a treat too thanks, every taste of the forbidden fruit is so precious. Arty is great, but the Korean caster insight is always on another level!
remember when he got shitter shattered in OSL by jaedong after robbing him in proleague 'ace match' with a bunker rush after carrying hwaseung oz all year? i do. he cried and fled backstage with boxer for 10 minutes and got fucked up after
So when Artosis and Tastless came back to cast starcraft remastered they said they never seen this... Hypetrain, they forgot or they are straight liars ... lmao
Probably what they meant by never seeing is the various optimizations involved that came on later on to reach the [same] end game goal but in different ways. Big picture remains same, but method getting there have changed as well as how it's utilized (ex: mech switch became much more aggressive than defensive-style with multi-pronged attacks with small groups of mech army as soon as transition occurred instead of defending mid-map until mass tanks) 5rax +1 into mech switch optimizations were brought on by FlaSh as well and for while was completely dominating TvZ. Or 1/1/1 meta is pretty different from proleague days. But now you don't see either of builds much anymore. Generally nowadays, meta changes exponentially faster than when you compare to progaming days as people are lot more exposed to each other and play each other much more frequently, whereas they only used to keep their strategies secret and play openly vs others few times a week at most. You see meta shifts and optimization changes every few weeks if you keep up with the streamed daily proleague
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Fantasy's TvZ was initially considered weakpoint of his matchups, with it being lower than his other matchup winrates. His bio SK Terran was considered weak by many, with it seemingly being a stumbling block to his tournament runs.
Also, during this time was where TvZ was dominated by aggressive SK Terran play focusing around denying 4th gas, with mech being increasingly niche.
He approached to fix this through various odd strategies such as valk-bio, goliath-bio, valk-goliath and likes. Then it eventually shifted with the introduction of mech switch, with him going on to go from 50% TvZ winrate in 2009 to skyrocketing past 60% winrate in later years. Fantasy went on to overcome his weakness in SK Terran to become a top SK Terran player in his later years.
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Mech switch went on to establish itself as major cornerstone of TvZ meta, with it being extremely popular to play from 2009-2020 to point people claimed TvZ was "solved".
But from 2020, major meta shift to 2h openers occured, and with advancement Queen-based mech switch counters making it difficult to execute, mech switch nearly disappeared in progames. It had brief revival earlier this year with +1 valkyrie build, but post-mech switch TvZ have mostly moved in with BC-based SK terran plays that could hold up itself against 4 gas+ Zergs.
In the video, Fantasy disagrees and feels that mech switch holds up even against the advancement of Queen-based counters, but we haven't seen/heard details on it yet.
overview summary from: namu.wiki/w/%EC%A0%95%EB%AA%85%ED%9B%88(%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EA%B2%8C%EC%9D%B4%EB%A8%B8)#s-2.2.1
Thanks so much for these translations Jinjin, I love watching pivotal moments in Broodwar history like this.
I figured viewers would appreciate live reaction and some confusion from commentators themselves
@@jinjinBW you're god damn right!
I just rewatched Ggaemo vs Hwasin from 2009 Ever OSL. When was the mech switch invented again? Hwasin was using both his factories and barracks.
Very cool to see the game in question with translations for the casting after the interview! Thanks jinjin!
Subbed kespa games are awesome, always happy to watch those
thank you! damn, the good old days of proleague!
Thank you for these priceless pieces of eSport history 🙏
A ray of hope for terrans 🥲
if anyone knows how to add these chapters in, would be appreciated.
It's just not appearing
Weird, it usually just adds it automatically when you put timestamps in the description...
Thanks for clearing this up, I thought it was oov behind it for years as well. The subbed game is such a treat too thanks, every taste of the forbidden fruit is so precious. Arty is great, but the Korean caster insight is always on another level!
This was amazing
amazing video thanks
Awesome!
Damn, Korean commentaries are in another level...
Thanks jinjin
Where can I find Lights translated guides on youtube ? (Tastosis mentioned they are on youtube)
remember when he got shitter shattered in OSL by jaedong after robbing him in proleague 'ace match' with a bunker rush after carrying hwaseung oz all year? i do. he cried and fled backstage with boxer for 10 minutes and got fucked up after
Amazing translation Jinjin, much love you fucking nerd
So when Artosis and Tastless came back to cast starcraft remastered they said they never seen this...
Hypetrain, they forgot or they are straight liars ... lmao
Probably what they meant by never seeing is the various optimizations involved that came on later on to reach the [same] end game goal but in different ways. Big picture remains same, but method getting there have changed as well as how it's utilized
(ex: mech switch became much more aggressive than defensive-style with multi-pronged attacks with small groups of mech army as soon as transition occurred instead of defending mid-map until mass tanks)
5rax +1 into mech switch optimizations were brought on by FlaSh as well and for while was completely dominating TvZ. Or 1/1/1 meta is pretty different from proleague days.
But now you don't see either of builds much anymore. Generally nowadays, meta changes exponentially faster than when you compare to progaming days as people are lot more exposed to each other and play each other much more frequently, whereas they only used to keep their strategies secret and play openly vs others few times a week at most.
You see meta shifts and optimization changes every few weeks if you keep up with the streamed daily proleague
starcraft make many korea progamer. and LOL make korea progamer 'FAKER'