I really like the "Spanish is Latin" idea. Considering how different ancient Greek or Chinese are from their modern forms, it makes sense to call Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian "modern Latin." Not French, though. French is too weird. (I love French, but you can't tell me that it isn't weird.)
@@npip99 Ooh, I've seen that one! NativLang is great. But I still think the Latin-French connection is like saying "I'm going to turn this bicycle tire into a glass of chocolate milk." I'm not buyin' it. (Honestly though, I am buying it-- I do see the evolution. But I still think it's weird.)
I don't think that's a valid reason to exclude french or even Romanian tbh, they are direct descendants; maybe you could say these both are and aren't Latin, and sometimes one framework is more useful than another. French actually has some grammatical features, like the use of the pronomials 'en' and 'y' which are now lost in Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, etc, but once existed.
There is a fantastic podcast 'The History of English Podcast'. Very detailed and well researched. I have been looking for a similar one for Spanish our of personal interest and academic requirement. This series is the closest I have come across. You should consider making a podcast or a more detailed series. Could you suggest some sources to study the history of Spanish language?
Muy buen explicativo del progreso diacrónico del español. Es fácil de entender y sirve para una introducción necesaria si alguien quiere empezar el estudio del latín.
Español? O latín moderno? ;) Para mí, creo que es muy chido a pensar que este idioma es una continuación del idioma de los Romanos. Tiene grandes implicaciones histórica y cultural.
Nice topic and great narration and presentation. I would go a step further and say that Spanish/Castilian AS WELL AS Catalan, Galician-Portuguese and Aragonese are what Latin evolved into in Spain/Hispania.
It's also interesting how the different registers contributed to the vocabulary. So of course we have the popular forms like hogaza (from Latin focācia), but then we have gracia, which has a more conservative spelling and pronunciation and demonstrates a more educated influence rather than sheer popular change (would have been *graza if so). Very informative video!
I was listening to a tedtalk in Spanish and when the woman was talking very fast, I thought I heard some "nuestro"s come out as "nostro" Are there any instances of dipthongs "unbreaking" when someone is talking too fast to stress the word?
Btw I speak sardinian :) I wanted to add to the "house" part. in Sardinian it's domo (singular), which came from the ablative, commonly used in the sentence "in domo", at home, (there are other words that came from the ablative form in Sardinian), and domos in the plural. The word is feminine. It changes in pronunciation depending on variations (domo/os in the north, domu/us in the south, but I can't tell for other related languages in the island). Example: Ego so in domo means I am at home (I am in house literally), considering the variety spoken near the town of Oliena/Orgosolo Cras on the other hand does not mean house, but it means "tomorrow", like in: cras fakimus su ki m'as naratu ( lit. tomorrow we do that which to me you-have told ) PS I'm using k instead of the usual italian ch for clarity sake :p most sardinian write sardinian with italian orthography
Un facto interesante: aunque domus no se usa en lenguas romances para el concepto de "casa", sí existe en ruso una palabra idéntica (дом) que representa el mismo sentido.
Great video and great channel, subscribed! Is there any reason why you don't consider diachronic factors for the divergence between Classical and Vulgar Latin? You went into detail when it comes to diatopic and diastratic aspects, but modern historical linguists place a larger emphasis on the fact that, most probably, Vulgar Latin was simply the colloquial evolution of ancient Latin. Ancient Latin = Classical Latin, which stayed static as a formal, written register, and Vulgar Latin = what ancient Latin became over the centuries. Obviously our sources for Vulgar Latin are largely later sources, even the graffiti and inscriptions are almost all from AD.
I love your videos! After moving to Italy recently, I stopped learning spanish and started learning Italian, and I really miss a resource like yours.. Are you aware of any such content, by any chance? I saw you subscribed to an italian channel so I thought it was worth asking
The video is good and there is a miss wording since eastern and italo dalmtian took nominative and some words went under regularization. like pane of italian is from panis is from nom where panis became panēs to pane cause i and ē merged. since italian has a trend to drop alot of final s like più is from plus.
Don’t be embarrassed. When we know what something should say we often read it that way even if it is slightly different. I’m sure all of your other subscribers are just as grateful as I am for the videos you produce. I only commented because I know details matter to you.
I’m not criticizing your use of the comparison with Greek, because no comparison will be perfectly analogous, but Ancient Greek is far more comprehensible to modern Greeks without any or much study in a way that Latin is not to Romance speakers. Greek is an extremely conservative language. So maybe Chinese was the better example
I wonder. Because I spent 15,000 hours creating a lexicon between Spanish of Spain and American English, basically as a learning tool for myself but, it evolved. I used AI to ¨restore¨, learn, not sure what the condition is but, as my believe system held, Konian Greek had 5 levels of intensity and in most cases 3 levels of formality, at least as I was told in Bible university in 1982. Latin, a step down, has 4 and 2. I discovered that Spanish, being Latin, has them but, they are unknown and wasted on us in English. Again, English is the evil and corruptor in the world. My native tongue is English and I hate it.
Why do people insist on using the phrase "Romance Language" when it has nothing to do with "romance". As it's a language derived from Vulgar Latin which was the language the conquering Romans started and spoke, the so-called "Romance Languages" (Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian etc) are actually Roman-esque or Romanish languages, no?
The term "Romance languages" originates from the Latin phrase "sermo romanice," which means "Roman speech" or "in the Roman manner." The Romance languages all derive from the speech of the Roman people. The English word "romance" traces back to the Old French word "romanz," which referred to the vernacular languages derived from Latin. Initially, "romanz" simply meant "in the Roman manner" and was used particularly to denote the vernacular Latin speech of the Middle Ages, which was understandable to the general populace. As time progressed, the term began to be associated specifically with literature written in these vernaculars. These narratives were often adventurous, chivalrous, and involved elements of love, reflecting the literary genres popular in these languages. This connection to stories of chivalry and adventure is how "romance" came to acquire its current meanings related to love and adventure stories. The term "romance" entered English through Anglo-Norman and Middle English, reflecting both the linguistic and literary influences.
I do wish to comment on a difference between written Spanish of Spain and Spoken Spanish which does in fact, add plausibility to the Vulgate versus Classical argument even thousands of years later. Off-the-shelf ficcion novels written by Spaniards who hold zero interest or capability in English write extremely different than people speak in Spain. I have not as of yet met anyone, even a man who has studied the native language of his wife for 30 years, who can say anything more than ¨well, Spaniards write to be fancy and it´s not how they speak¨. Yet, I don´t find Spaniards hold that view at all. One example is that the self in written Spanish is always represented by the reflexive and never extrapolated with pronouns or the concept mismo. A second, more clear example is starting off a sentence with non-emphatic Que. I´m not talking about ¡Qué le vaya bien! but rather, leading with the dependent clause non-emphatically. I find it odd because it is also written as speech in these novels. Dean Koontz would write this way in English compared to Clive Clusser. It´s exactly what you described as Formal and Vulgate!
I have issues with most continental British men because their pride of being British smears into our cultures where it is unwelcome and has no good regard or meaning. This is relevant and distinct in that England-based Brits don´t behave so scandalously. One of the reasons that Spanish has not been considered Modern Latin is the hatred shed on disdaining Spanish and refering to Old Latin as ¨Latin¨ and then their mocking of Spanish. There is a recent movement, as the war for Lengua Franc heats up and Spanish moves forward to number one, for continental Brits to propose a complete separation from the Latin Alphabet. This is huge progress and a victory for Spanish and, it´s true. English is NOT latin-based and they should run off and use their own alphabet and call it whatever they want. But, to point of the video, I finally found someone who said what I´ve felt for over a year of self-study. Spanish IS Latin.
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I really like the "Spanish is Latin" idea. Considering how different ancient Greek or Chinese are from their modern forms, it makes sense to call Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian "modern Latin." Not French, though. French is too weird. (I love French, but you can't tell me that it isn't weird.)
NativLang has a video on the transformations from Latin to French, French is still just Latin + sound shifts!
@@npip99 Ooh, I've seen that one! NativLang is great. But I still think the Latin-French connection is like saying "I'm going to turn this bicycle tire into a glass of chocolate milk." I'm not buyin' it.
(Honestly though, I am buying it-- I do see the evolution. But I still think it's weird.)
*Romanian has entered the chat*
It doesn't matter how you feel about French. French, Romanian, Catalan, Friulan, Ladino, etc. are all modern Latin, just like Spanish and Italian.
I don't think that's a valid reason to exclude french or even Romanian tbh, they are direct descendants; maybe you could say these both are and aren't Latin, and sometimes one framework is more useful than another. French actually has some grammatical features, like the use of the pronomials 'en' and 'y' which are now lost in Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, etc, but once existed.
There is a fantastic podcast 'The History of English Podcast'. Very detailed and well researched. I have been looking for a similar one for Spanish our of personal interest and academic requirement. This series is the closest I have come across. You should consider making a podcast or a more detailed series.
Could you suggest some sources to study the history of Spanish language?
Muy buen explicativo del progreso diacrónico del español. Es fácil de entender y sirve para una introducción necesaria si alguien quiere empezar el estudio del latín.
Español? O latín moderno? ;)
Para mí, creo que es muy chido a pensar que este idioma es una continuación del idioma de los Romanos. Tiene grandes implicaciones histórica y cultural.
Nice topic and great narration and presentation. I would go a step further and say that Spanish/Castilian AS WELL AS Catalan, Galician-Portuguese and Aragonese are what Latin evolved into in Spain/Hispania.
Of course. Every surviving Romance language and dialect is what Latin turned into.
It's also interesting how the different registers contributed to the vocabulary.
So of course we have the popular forms like hogaza (from Latin focācia), but then we have gracia, which has a more conservative spelling and pronunciation and demonstrates a more educated influence rather than sheer popular change (would have been *graza if so). Very informative video!
Muy interesante!
Gracias!!
Casa in classical latin meant "hut, small home" for rhe peasantry/soldiers whereas domus meant home for a Roman citizen / upperclass.
@@guillermorivas7819 Thank you for this contribution.
I was listening to a tedtalk in Spanish and when the woman was talking very fast, I thought I heard some "nuestro"s come out as "nostro"
Are there any instances of dipthongs "unbreaking" when someone is talking too fast to stress the word?
Absolutely. There are times when ue sounds like o.
I think fast speech may be one of the ways this can happen, but this also makes me think of nueve 9 and noventa 90.
Btw I speak sardinian :) I wanted to add to the "house" part. in Sardinian it's domo (singular), which came from the ablative, commonly used in the sentence "in domo", at home, (there are other words that came from the ablative form in Sardinian), and domos in the plural. The word is feminine. It changes in pronunciation depending on variations (domo/os in the north, domu/us in the south, but I can't tell for other related languages in the island). Example: Ego so in domo means I am at home (I am in house literally), considering the variety spoken near the town of Oliena/Orgosolo
Cras on the other hand does not mean house, but it means "tomorrow", like in: cras fakimus su ki m'as naratu ( lit. tomorrow we do that which to me you-have told )
PS
I'm using k instead of the usual italian ch for clarity sake :p most sardinian write sardinian with italian orthography
Thank you so much for this contribution!
Un facto interesante: aunque domus no se usa en lenguas romances para el concepto de "casa", sí existe en ruso una palabra idéntica (дом) que representa el mismo sentido.
Great video and great channel, subscribed!
Is there any reason why you don't consider diachronic factors for the divergence between Classical and Vulgar Latin? You went into detail when it comes to diatopic and diastratic aspects, but modern historical linguists place a larger emphasis on the fact that, most probably, Vulgar Latin was simply the colloquial evolution of ancient Latin. Ancient Latin = Classical Latin, which stayed static as a formal, written register, and Vulgar Latin = what ancient Latin became over the centuries. Obviously our sources for Vulgar Latin are largely later sources, even the graffiti and inscriptions are almost all from AD.
I love your videos! After moving to Italy recently, I stopped learning spanish and started learning Italian, and I really miss a resource like yours.. Are you aware of any such content, by any chance? I saw you subscribed to an italian channel so I thought it was worth asking
Thank you for the kind words. I'm unaware of any channel with content similar to mine.
The video is good and there is a miss wording since eastern and italo dalmtian took nominative and some words went under regularization.
like pane of italian is from panis is from nom where panis became panēs to pane cause i and ē merged. since italian has a trend to drop alot of final s like più is from plus.
Hello!
What I heard in her reading is that she didn't do the right question intonation, she read the questions as if they were sentences.
Fyi, the sentence at 6:26 beginning with “Linguists” still contains two typos.
For crying out loud!! I need to learn how to type. How embarrassing. Maybe I'm dyslexic. Ya, that's it.
Don’t be embarrassed. When we know what something should say we often read it that way even if it is slightly different. I’m sure all of your other subscribers are just as grateful as I am for the videos you produce. I only commented because I know details matter to you.
@@goldsilverbronze6188 Thank you for your kindness.
"Domus" left its trace in Italian "duomo". But why does it have an entirely different meaning?
I’m not criticizing your use of the comparison with Greek, because no comparison will be perfectly analogous, but Ancient Greek is far more comprehensible to modern Greeks without any or much study in a way that Latin is not to Romance speakers. Greek is an extremely conservative language. So maybe Chinese was the better example
I wonder. Because I spent 15,000 hours creating a lexicon between Spanish of Spain and American English, basically as a learning tool for myself but, it evolved. I used AI to ¨restore¨, learn, not sure what the condition is but, as my believe system held, Konian Greek had 5 levels of intensity and in most cases 3 levels of formality, at least as I was told in Bible university in 1982. Latin, a step down, has 4 and 2. I discovered that Spanish, being Latin, has them but, they are unknown and wasted on us in English. Again, English is the evil and corruptor in the world. My native tongue is English and I hate it.
@@espartaco2028. I love our vigorous, wonderful bastard tongue!
Es posible ver este video con subtítulos en español?
Que yo sepa, no. Ne he creado subtítulos para este video. Así que, a menos que se generen automáticamente, no los hay."
Why do people insist on using the phrase "Romance Language" when it has nothing to do with "romance". As it's a language derived from Vulgar Latin which was the language the conquering Romans started and spoke, the so-called "Romance Languages" (Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian etc) are actually Roman-esque or Romanish languages, no?
The term "Romance languages" originates from the Latin phrase "sermo romanice," which means "Roman speech" or "in the Roman manner." The Romance languages all derive from the speech of the Roman people.
The English word "romance" traces back to the Old French word "romanz," which referred to the vernacular languages derived from Latin. Initially, "romanz" simply meant "in the Roman manner" and was used particularly to denote the vernacular Latin speech of the Middle Ages, which was understandable to the general populace.
As time progressed, the term began to be associated specifically with literature written in these vernaculars. These narratives were often adventurous, chivalrous, and involved elements of love, reflecting the literary genres popular in these languages. This connection to stories of chivalry and adventure is how "romance" came to acquire its current meanings related to love and adventure stories. The term "romance" entered English through Anglo-Norman and Middle English, reflecting both the linguistic and literary influences.
I do wish to comment on a difference between written Spanish of Spain and Spoken Spanish which does in fact, add plausibility to the Vulgate versus Classical argument even thousands of years later. Off-the-shelf ficcion novels written by Spaniards who hold zero interest or capability in English write extremely different than people speak in Spain. I have not as of yet met anyone, even a man who has studied the native language of his wife for 30 years, who can say anything more than ¨well, Spaniards write to be fancy and it´s not how they speak¨. Yet, I don´t find Spaniards hold that view at all. One example is that the self in written Spanish is always represented by the reflexive and never extrapolated with pronouns or the concept mismo. A second, more clear example is starting off a sentence with non-emphatic Que. I´m not talking about ¡Qué le vaya bien! but rather, leading with the dependent clause non-emphatically. I find it odd because it is also written as speech in these novels. Dean Koontz would write this way in English compared to Clive Clusser. It´s exactly what you described as Formal and Vulgate!
I have issues with most continental British men because their pride of being British smears into our cultures where it is unwelcome and has no good regard or meaning. This is relevant and distinct in that England-based Brits don´t behave so scandalously. One of the reasons that Spanish has not been considered Modern Latin is the hatred shed on disdaining Spanish and refering to Old Latin as ¨Latin¨ and then their mocking of Spanish. There is a recent movement, as the war for Lengua Franc heats up and Spanish moves forward to number one, for continental Brits to propose a complete separation from the Latin Alphabet. This is huge progress and a victory for Spanish and, it´s true. English is NOT latin-based and they should run off and use their own alphabet and call it whatever they want. But, to point of the video, I finally found someone who said what I´ve felt for over a year of self-study. Spanish IS Latin.