I think you’re focusing too much on pull rates and rarity; While it’s still a factor in pricing, the true factor will always be demand for the card. The Umbreon SAR in English will be a tough pull since there’s no guaranteed pulls in English and from what I’m observing, a TON of people want that Prismatic Umbreon EX. It’s a beautiful card. Im curious to see how the demand for the Masterball Umbreon plays out…incredibly rare but the art on the EX is substantially better in my opinion, which will drive up demand.
@evanc1275 I know pull rates are not everything, but first of all, all 3 cards are umbreon which in itself already gives it at least some demand. And yes whilst in English there will probably not be a guaranteed sir pull in a product but neither was there with Crown Zenith, though the pull rates were still similar to VStar Universe. You could have gotten more lucky or unlucky with Crown Zenith compared to vstar universe but that doesn't change the overall pull rates, correct? And the pull rates on Crown Zenith were very generous. I'm thinking the same way for prismatic compared to terastal. Now, let's just say the demand for the umbreon sir is on par or even a bit higher than the moonbreon. There is no way it's demand will be 5-8 times higher than the moonbreon, which would have to be somewhere around that to make up for the easier pull rates. Again, that's if the pull rates are similar to terestal, which I think they will be. And I'm not even talking about the posibility of god packs, which did come in 151 english too, although not as extreme as japanese. I don't say the master ball umbreon will be more valuable than moonbreon, but I am saying, if there is 1 card in this set that would be able to do it, it would be the master ball umbreon. If you're familiar with the master balls from 151, you know there is demand for those, as the pikachu master ball has pretty much always been the most expensive card in the set, over the charizard sir, whilst everyone would agree every SAR from 151 looked better art wise, right? The specific master ball in terastal being even more rare than those from 151 (supposed 1 in every 20 packs of 10 cards each, compared to 1 in every 20 packs of 7 cards each, there being more cards in terastal festival to get them compared to 151), leads me to believe my theory. Sorry for the extremely long message. I like talking about this😛 thx for your comment!🙏
@ only time will tell! I love all of the Umbreon cards and snagged a couple each of the Masterball Holo and SAR to have in the collection. I’m expecting a big dip in pricing over the next few months but I’m okay with that. Just a huge fan of the cards in general. I think prismatic will be a different beast even if the pull rates are generous. The demand is unquenchable. I’m seeing websites sell out in seconds after they release product. Seconds. It’s a crazy market.
I bought 4 packs with my bride at the pokemon center in Shibuya, and in the first pack i oppend i got the umbreon masterball We openned more 12 boxes and got another masterball umbreon, and a masterball Sylveon too. 2x eevee SAR 1x Sylveon SAR 1x Glaceon SAR 1x Vaporeon SAR Not even one god pack :/ But we are still very happy We are thinking in graduating the masterball reverse mirrors.
@DanielSantos-o7v goddamn, you got luck on your side for sure! You better don't feel bad not getting a god pack. I opened 23 booster boxes and didn't get either the master ball umbreon, umbreon sar or a god pack🤪
But pulling the umbreon master ball is even 8 times harder than that, so that becomes pretty hard to pull right away. It's already the most expensive card, imo unsurprisingly 😛
In my box i first drew the Pecharunt ex SAR and i was very sad, but pulled later the umbreon masterball in great condition in the same box, happiest person in town :)
I think you’re focusing too much on pull rates and rarity; While it’s still a factor in pricing, the true factor will always be demand for the card. The Umbreon SAR in English will be a tough pull since there’s no guaranteed pulls in English and from what I’m observing, a TON of people want that Prismatic Umbreon EX. It’s a beautiful card. Im curious to see how the demand for the Masterball Umbreon plays out…incredibly rare but the art on the EX is substantially better in my opinion, which will drive up demand.
@evanc1275 I know pull rates are not everything, but first of all, all 3 cards are umbreon which in itself already gives it at least some demand. And yes whilst in English there will probably not be a guaranteed sir pull in a product but neither was there with Crown Zenith, though the pull rates were still similar to VStar Universe. You could have gotten more lucky or unlucky with Crown Zenith compared to vstar universe but that doesn't change the overall pull rates, correct? And the pull rates on Crown Zenith were very generous. I'm thinking the same way for prismatic compared to terastal. Now, let's just say the demand for the umbreon sir is on par or even a bit higher than the moonbreon. There is no way it's demand will be 5-8 times higher than the moonbreon, which would have to be somewhere around that to make up for the easier pull rates. Again, that's if the pull rates are similar to terestal, which I think they will be. And I'm not even talking about the posibility of god packs, which did come in 151 english too, although not as extreme as japanese.
I don't say the master ball umbreon will be more valuable than moonbreon, but I am saying, if there is 1 card in this set that would be able to do it, it would be the master ball umbreon. If you're familiar with the master balls from 151, you know there is demand for those, as the pikachu master ball has pretty much always been the most expensive card in the set, over the charizard sir, whilst everyone would agree every SAR from 151 looked better art wise, right? The specific master ball in terastal being even more rare than those from 151 (supposed 1 in every 20 packs of 10 cards each, compared to 1 in every 20 packs of 7 cards each, there being more cards in terastal festival to get them compared to 151), leads me to believe my theory.
Sorry for the extremely long message. I like talking about this😛 thx for your comment!🙏
@ only time will tell! I love all of the Umbreon cards and snagged a couple each of the Masterball Holo and SAR to have in the collection. I’m expecting a big dip in pricing over the next few months but I’m okay with that. Just a huge fan of the cards in general.
I think prismatic will be a different beast even if the pull rates are generous. The demand is unquenchable. I’m seeing websites sell out in seconds after they release product. Seconds. It’s a crazy market.
@evanc1275 it's going to be insane indeed. But that's of course just how I see it. Like you said, time will tell! Can't wait to get my boxes soon!
I bought 4 packs with my bride at the pokemon center in Shibuya, and in the first pack i oppend i got the umbreon masterball
We openned more 12 boxes and got another masterball umbreon, and a masterball Sylveon too.
2x eevee SAR
1x Sylveon SAR
1x Glaceon SAR
1x Vaporeon SAR
Not even one god pack :/
But we are still very happy
We are thinking in graduating the masterball reverse mirrors.
By the way, the umbreon was in the release date, december 6.
@DanielSantos-o7v goddamn, you got luck on your side for sure! You better don't feel bad not getting a god pack. I opened 23 booster boxes and didn't get either the master ball umbreon, umbreon sar or a god pack🤪
they shouldve switched the rarities of ex and the master ball :(
i already saw 4 evelotions masterball pulls ^^ from people opening packs so its in there just rare
Well, every master ball holo you pull from this set has pretty much a 1/17 to be an eeveelution so that's not too bad😛
But pulling the umbreon master ball is even 8 times harder than that, so that becomes pretty hard to pull right away. It's already the most expensive card, imo unsurprisingly 😛
Opened 2 boxes and got the Umbreon Masterball!
@Matt-vy7rf the chances of you getting that was basically 1/144 so consider yourself extremely lucky 😌
Great pull. I bought 1 booster box got the espeon sar en the espeon master ball🔥
That’s awesome!
In my box i first drew the Pecharunt ex SAR and i was very sad, but pulled later the umbreon masterball in great condition in the same box, happiest person in town :)
Omg that is insane! What a Rollercoaster of emotions 😛👌