Why they made it so the KS23 doesn't dismember people seemingly at all, at least in your footage, is beyond me. It doesn't even need to be good, just have incredible visual feedback for me to likey, although a bunch of utility ammo/options based on all the fun stuff they make for it irl was something I was expecting and hoping for too.
@@K3end0 True, forgot that was an option. Thought he tore someone's arm off with the barret but I might've been seeing things with hoe distorted the bodies end up while flying back after getting hit with the 50 lol
As with anything NWI puts out, I have mixed feelings. The modeling, animations and sounds on this gun are stellar, on par with Tarkov, but on the other hand, they failed to put anything in this gun which really makes it special. There's an entire rogue's gallery of cool ass shells this gun uses that could be used by players to tactically control the battlefield, but they decided to use none of them and simply use the already existing shells that 12 gauge weapons use. The slug doesn't even act like the Barikada and kill an engine in one hit. Since shotguns are pretty much already a OHK at virtually any range, the KS-23 is just a regular shotty with half the mag size and worse recoil. I really, really hope they revamp this gun as it's one of my favorite irl guns and I can count the games that have it on one hand, and most misrepresent it even worse than Sandstorm
what I'm hearing is that you want an F2000 in the game (for the terrorists btw) and a new map before addressing the lighting and texture issues on Glasshouse?
@@SickSnipes How about a railgun for security also? I think it very much fits the setting and time period quite well and would be the next balanced feature (also give the railgun to rifleman since they need more weapons!)
@@RawDoggin_78 Yep, and that way they could add a semi-auto shotty and have a little less worry about it not being balanced (despite the multitude of weapons in the game already that do that job but better and across more ranges)
A lot of Insurgency would be fixed IN GENERAL if they put in some extra spice to mechanics and loadouts. I yearn to be able to choose ammo types for rifles again let alone shotguns. More GL types and ammo capacity so there's a point to them over rockets, being able to collapse stocks on guns with collapsing stocks, being able to have more than one addon on both sides of the rails, having something as simple as a sling or a side grip on machineguns, etc. Nobody cares that much about balance when there's already some really downright criminal shit in the game.
Some more GL options would be nice. A lower yield explosive shell that has a wider splash but only really kills if it lands on top of you would be a nice way to introduce a shell that you can have more of if they're worried about GL spam. Gas shells for both GLs and the KS-23 would be sick too. Make it slightly less damaging than the chemical mortars and incapable of actually killing or something like that. Snipes mentioned it in the preliminary review of the update but making the KSG be able to load two different shell types between the tubes would've been sick. Just have two ammo selections in the mod menu and you only reload the tube you have selected, and you have two reserve ammo pools. From a mechanical control perspective it wouldn't be any harder to manage or control then the current tube switching and reload system for the KSG.
I like to comfort myself with the lack of special shells by thinking it was easier for the insurgency to get ahold of the shotgun, but much harder to find the specialty ammunition.
not really. any ammunition whatsoever for this gun is generally as rare as the actual piece. if anything the rounds such as rubber, plastic, and exploding/flash slugs are more commonplace as that's what the gun's designed to use.
Eh you do have a point, but specially ammunition would be hard to balance, or just something New World doesn’t want to deal with. Rubber rounds wouldn’t really do any good, as they aren’t used in situations where lethal force is imminent, explosive rounds would be OP as fuck. The flash rounds could be implemented, however,
Our gunner brothers need some love. Give them the M60 and the RPD. Then give the rifleman for bouth or marksmen the AR10, preferebly the portugese variant
@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger Mostly because of a feature I just like. The bolt is telescopic, meaning when you charge the bolt, it doesn't actually stick out. But that is a bit nitpicking. The Senegalese one doesn't have that, but It would make more sense for insurgents to have it and security the Portuguese. I really want an AR10 and AR18 in the game.
@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger He probably wants the Portuguese AR-10 because a video on it has been in many peoples recommended videos for the last few weeks, and Jekabs has likely been recommended the video as well lol Id prefer whichever AR-10 would be most 'accurate' to end up in the hands of middle-eastern security forces, i'll let Nwi figure that bit out
no the suppressor is more so you can double the length of the gun and use it as a sniper rifle as everybody is aware of the fact that making the barrel longer makes the gun into a sniper weapon.
This video along with the fact that NWI refuses to add M1014 shows that they are really afraid to do anything that is truly innovative to the game. Maybe they are afraid to piss Insurgency 2 fans like me but we Insurgency 2 fans are actually open to new weapons (see workshop). I hope it is the coding issue that stops them from adding those cool stuffs because that is actually a good excuse.
I'm pretty sure the reason we don't see semi-auto shotguns in the game is because they would 100% dominate any close range engagement if implemented even halfway-decently and have everyone crying about balance, and if they implement them balanced around gameplay they'd have a bunch of people crying that it's unrealistic and a semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun should slap in CQC engagements.
@@Rajoovi1 they could take a page out of cods book...like ummm the M1014 only had 4 shells (even though irl for military it holds 7=1 I beleive) in Modern Warfare and MW2, and it got brought up to 6 when you selected extended mags in MW2. But who knows.
What a missed opportunity. Flashbang rounds. Tear gas rounds. Engine block killers. I want to see a six gauge dragon's breath round. Turn that sucker into a flamethrower.
I NEVER use shotguns, but decided to with this new update. Absolutely loving the KS 23. Been having some nasty games of Domination with it. I slap a compensator and 1.5 PKS on there and it feels like I'm one-tapping people from AR mid-range, kinda nuts.
if they don’t want to add the special ammo types, they could at least make it so the gun works on vehicles and somewhat-“explodes” enemies when you hit them because it’s cool
Honestly since I’ve started using it I’ve had way more fun in insurgency it’s just very satisfying but I do agree with you on the ragdoll point they should also put in more gore when you hit certain areas
@@SickSnipes RIGHT!! That alone made me angry but playing the playlist on the new map and being mvp almost every game only using the ks-23 was so satisfying. Hope I see you in a match sometime love your gun guides btw
NWI is training us for later in life by disappointing us early which sets our standards for enjoyment low so we will almost always be pleasantly surprised
I know you're joking but I honestly noticed that little things that these games do from time to time impress me when it's a feature discovered years ago
Their "winning formula" of one map, two guns and hillarious skins once in a 6 months seems like not workin anymore. Previous updates had like 10k players online after update dropps, now its much smaller
This gun, from what I can tell (don't own sandstorm), would be massively improved if 1: It got the specialty shells. 2: You had the option of fitting the full-length stock and barrel to increase its deadliness at further distances. And 3: It generally doesn't care what part of you it hits and whether its got armor or not, you're still kinda screwed.
Fun fact! There are a few KS-23s in the US, but there's not many. Also, the KS-23's buckshot is similar to that of 3" magnum 00 12ga. Final fun fact, it was made with out of spec 23mm cannon barrels originally meant for the MiG fighter jets.
The barrels were quality control rejects, they are perfectly safe for use with 23mm shotgun shells but woukdnt be safe to use on a ZSU with actual autocannon rounds, in a way it's recycling :) also it dosnt shoot flashbangs, it produces the flash and sound from a massive specialty made blank round
I wonder if devs are scared to give us auto shotguns. I understand that the KS23 fits really well with the whole jail themed expansion, but you can't deny that it's a struggle to find a niche for this gun, and the KSG probably is similarly not some Earth shattering upgrade over the R870; but no doubt a SPAS 12 and an M1014 both would have been much easier to balance as a higher quality upgrade to the pump guns.
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It's always fun bringing the .50 out in coop on free weekends just to see the newbies react to the ragdoll shenanigans it pulls. That said, the KS-23 does get one 'advantage' over other shotguns in that it's ads speed seems to be rather quick. It's not enough to make up for the lacking capacity and iffy promise of 'moar damage' than an extant one-shot.
no mention of the ridiculously fast ads speed? i think that alone makes it a very competetively viable option especially in cqb and is a very strong competitor to the other shotguns.
I have noticed that there is no "reload timer" per shell unlike the old shotguns: the ammo counter goes up only once the loading animation restarts instead of when the shell is visually in like the old ones. the KSG suffers the same bug but its more crippling with the ks23
ks 23 with "multishot / buckshot equivalent" Cartriges would have a worse range then a standard 12 gauge smoothbore due to rifling. that is because spinning a single projectile gives itmore accuracy but spinning buckshot spreads it out due to centrifugal force ( or was it centripetal, i cant remmember which is which)
As cool as it is overall seems like a downgrade on your typical pump action. Oughta just give us the flashbang shells by default, maybe with some other specialty ammo type like frag rounds as an alt option with a 1 or 2 point cost. Buck and slugs always being the majority of your ammo type with something like 4-8 shells being either the flash or frags, loaded one at a time via the fire select key (Neotokyo had a shotgun functioning like this). Regular buck/slugs should also blast apart doors. Proper stock and longer barrel would be nice attachment options, 1 or 2 points each.
What people expected when voting shotgun: automatic shotguns, semi-auto shotguns, special shells What we actually got: Literally the same type of fucking pump action gun already in the game.
They should add the Barikada round. It was supposed to lodge in car engine blocks and stop them, so it would be an interesting addition if they added it and made it do that. By the way, a small correction, you cant find this anywhere outside of russia. There is a single civilian KS-23 in the USA, but thats it.
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It's fun to use though admittedly the extra power is kind of dubious when the normal 12s kill so quickly. That being said what really struck me is why is there not more Gore involved in a game that has forward full dismemberment when you're shooting somebody with a 23 mm shot gun?
Too bad they've never put back the old M1014 like in the first Insurgency game back in 2007. Maybe if they're concerned with semi-auto shotguns as being OP, they could nerf it a bit. They could turn the M1014 and maybe add the semi-auto shotgun like the MP-155 for insurgents into something like this: - Maybe the semi-auto shotguns costs 5 supply points. The most expensive shotgun for the breacher class. - Buckshot/flechette = 2 usually shots on CQB and at longer ranges = 3 shots. As long as these are not hitting the head which is always 1 shot or 2 if it's just one stray pellet hitting the helmet and not the skin/face areas. IDK. maybe. - 4-round tube like the civilian version as default for balancing purposes despite the extended capacity tube would be the most obvious for military use. They could just use the 7-round tube as part of an extended ammo accessory while maybe the 6-round tube for the MP-155. Maybe costing 2 or 3 supply points? - Slower reloading compared to the pump action shotgun for balancing. - Put some kind of delay per shot/pulling the trigger? So you can't fire it as fast as you can click your mouse similar to how you would do on semi-auto firing modes of other guns or pistols. Probably a bad idea. IDK. Just a thought. - Increase recoil a bit more. both horizontal and vertical. Now players are more inclined to use grips especially the recoil grip aside from the extended ammo accessory. Which then turns the gun even more expensive to use. - Slightly heavier than other shotguns. Probably on the unrealistic side again. But just another thing to consider for balancing purposes. - Since the semi-auto shotguns are super expensive, that will also add to the balancing by having less points to use on other auxiliary items or gears such as gas masks, throwables, armor, extra ammo capacity, or secondary weapons. Just a few ideas on how they could balance out semi-auto shotguns. If they ever plan on adding them.
Yeah, i was really expecting to see the M1014 and TOZ-87, also all of these are bad ideas One solution would be to make armor useful again Like if you see videos of buckshot vs armor you can see how effective armor is against buckshot
I literally couldn't tell the diference when you showed the toz in the video. I was like hold on why does it cycle faster now? it looks the same, it sounds the same is there a grased bolt attachment? oh wait he is using a compleatly different gun! srsly. tho the ks is the exact same gun as the toz exept for the name and less shells. why did owi even bother?
they really need to up the gimmick mechanic for the KS easily add it like a GL ammor limit options for the casing where it loads it after ejecting a pump in exchange on ejecting regular ammo shells
I'm not sure why, but I've been doing really well with it. Maybe its placebo but I feel like its more consistent at killing than the other shotguns, I don't seem to have to aim as precisely with it which saves precious moments in gun fights.
The KS-23 was developed after world War 2 because the Soviet Union had a surplus of 23mm barrels for the IL-2 attack aircraft so they turned them into a shotgun
Personally, I think NWI should stop pussyfooting around and just give us ammo conversion kits. KS-23 and all its cool but frankly terrifying shell selection. Turning the Scar into a 5.56 rifle. Turning the MK-18 to take 9mm mags (kinda gimicky then the others). At first I didn't like how the 5.45 plum mag was on the alpha ak when it also had the regular 7.62 drum, but it would be cool to convert it to either one since they added a PSO-1 to all ak variants.
To be honest, I have a problem with this gun: When I use other shotguns after this one, it's actually harder for me to hit targets. I guess it's because KS 23' has more fragments to hit with, so it easier to hit someone, even if the target is close to me.
Even though you might be tempted to use slug dont. Use flechette. Its basically a shell full of metal shards which act like tiny little slugs. I can hit anything i point at.
While I know it doesn't exclusively pertain to the KS 23, I was a little disappointed that you didn't make some mention of NWI removing the fast pumping with the double mouse click. What's your take on the matter? I personally liked it and wished they wouldn't have removed such a unique mechanic as I believe it detracts from the shotgun experience and removes something that brough the guns more in line with the rest of the guns in the game. They could have even included is an attachment for supply points like the greased bolt for bolt action rifles. (Before anyone says it made shotguns OP, refer to this games faster fire rate auto snipers one shotting with even better bullet trajectory and a better ammo count).
Was this even fucking mentioned by New World anywhere? I only noticed it in-game after this update, and it's a real kick in the dick considering the fact that this update was shotgun-oriented.
I believe at one point bolt action rifles could do something like this as well and there used to even be a tip screen about it. really dumb they removed it right there with you.
@@SickSnipes This worked with shotguns, bolt-actions, and the Welrod, I think. It was super noticeable if you were using an M24 with the Greased Bolt upgrade; you could fire WAY faster via manually cycling the bolt.
A 12 Guage slug will 100% stop a technical vehicle i.e "truck" with a properly placed shot. Especially if it's a high velocity rifled slug which is for smooth bore barrels or a "sabot" slug for rifled barrels
Heres hoping gunners get some love soon, hell id take an update that just gives them a class specific side arm like a PDW like a g18 and tec 9 or something,
Went 33-5 with this thing yesterday. It’s a fucking monster! Weird that you don’t mention the ridiculous ADS time, put an aiming grip on there and you’ll be aiming faster out of sprint than the fool with the ak standing still who’s day you’re about to ruin.
the flash bang rounds would be awesome for this gun it really falls short with on 4 rounds but it slaps ive one shotted players with the flechette from crazy far
I think the secerirty should have got the A12 shotgun and insurgents the Saiga 12. Fair if you ask me both can have full auto and both have drum mag options room for sights and lazers and all that stuff.
How do you feel about the new "spawn protection" in domination? I think it's the dumbest thing ever and needs to be removed or at least tweaked alot, been robbed of so many kills from it while they can kill me whenever.
If it worked it’d be fine. I see a message saying it will be disabled once they move but then they take 3 shells to the back while sprinting away from me then turn around and pop me. It’s pretty broken.
I had hoped they would've given us the proper KS-23 instead of a stockless KS-23M, they didn't even bother give it the option to add the skeleton stock I feel bad for my habibi's wrists
Honestly they could’ve added way better guns, it’s not like we don’t already have pump shotguns! 😂😂😂 I understand the CQB theme of prison but damn give us more guns!
Insurgents should've gotten a striker12 or a siaga 12. Securtity should've got a the AA12 or the Benelli m4. There are so many other shotguns to pick from
Each time I can play as a sniper I chose the .50 cal and use it as a shotgun because it is so fun seeing people fly each time I pull the trigger so is beyond me why they didn't do the same for this gun
Yeah. This gun is somehow a curse to me because whenever I use it, I didn't even get a chance to nail someone once and the fact it can only hold 4 rounds is just bad (tbh what do I expect with a shotgun like this). Regardless, I do try to find some fun value in the KS23
Still waiting for NWI to give love to the consoles Also falsely featured the ability to suicide bomb with a teammate to detonate an explosive on the games trailer page but wasn’t in the game
Why they made it so the KS23 doesn't dismember people seemingly at all, at least in your footage, is beyond me. It doesn't even need to be good, just have incredible visual feedback for me to likey, although a bunch of utility ammo/options based on all the fun stuff they make for it irl was something I was expecting and hoping for too.
He might have just turned dismemberment off
@@K3end0 True, forgot that was an option. Thought he tore someone's arm off with the barret but I might've been seeing things with hoe distorted the bodies end up while flying back after getting hit with the 50 lol
He probably just has dismemberment turned off lol, I’ve turned people to mist with this.
I made people explode with it at close range the other day
no its power is underwhelming
As with anything NWI puts out, I have mixed feelings. The modeling, animations and sounds on this gun are stellar, on par with Tarkov, but on the other hand, they failed to put anything in this gun which really makes it special.
There's an entire rogue's gallery of cool ass shells this gun uses that could be used by players to tactically control the battlefield, but they decided to use none of them and simply use the already existing shells that 12 gauge weapons use. The slug doesn't even act like the Barikada and kill an engine in one hit. Since shotguns are pretty much already a OHK at virtually any range, the KS-23 is just a regular shotty with half the mag size and worse recoil. I really, really hope they revamp this gun as it's one of my favorite irl guns and I can count the games that have it on one hand, and most misrepresent it even worse than Sandstorm
I think that adding a full stock with a unique historically accurate scope would really expand this gun’s potential
what I'm hearing is that you want an F2000 in the game (for the terrorists btw) and a new map before addressing the lighting and texture issues on Glasshouse?
@@SickSnipes How about a railgun for security also? I think it very much fits the setting and time period quite well and would be the next balanced feature (also give the railgun to rifleman since they need more weapons!)
they need to rebalance shotguns in general to do that and make buckshot to heavy armor plates not one shot to make ks23 worth something
@@RawDoggin_78 Yep, and that way they could add a semi-auto shotty and have a little less worry about it not being balanced (despite the multitude of weapons in the game already that do that job but better and across more ranges)
A lot of Insurgency would be fixed IN GENERAL if they put in some extra spice to mechanics and loadouts. I yearn to be able to choose ammo types for rifles again let alone shotguns. More GL types and ammo capacity so there's a point to them over rockets, being able to collapse stocks on guns with collapsing stocks, being able to have more than one addon on both sides of the rails, having something as simple as a sling or a side grip on machineguns, etc. Nobody cares that much about balance when there's already some really downright criminal shit in the game.
Some more GL options would be nice. A lower yield explosive shell that has a wider splash but only really kills if it lands on top of you would be a nice way to introduce a shell that you can have more of if they're worried about GL spam. Gas shells for both GLs and the KS-23 would be sick too. Make it slightly less damaging than the chemical mortars and incapable of actually killing or something like that. Snipes mentioned it in the preliminary review of the update but making the KSG be able to load two different shell types between the tubes would've been sick. Just have two ammo selections in the mod menu and you only reload the tube you have selected, and you have two reserve ammo pools. From a mechanical control perspective it wouldn't be any harder to manage or control then the current tube switching and reload system for the KSG.
@@spoopy9689 the G3 is a 2 or 3 shot AR, who tf cares about balance
I like to comfort myself with the lack of special shells by thinking it was easier for the insurgency to get ahold of the shotgun, but much harder to find the specialty ammunition.
not really. any ammunition whatsoever for this gun is generally as rare as the actual piece. if anything the rounds such as rubber, plastic, and exploding/flash slugs are more commonplace as that's what the gun's designed to use.
Eh you do have a point, but specially ammunition would be hard to balance, or just something New World doesn’t want to deal with. Rubber rounds wouldn’t really do any good, as they aren’t used in situations where lethal force is imminent, explosive rounds would be OP as fuck. The flash rounds could be implemented, however,
Our gunner brothers need some love. Give them the M60 and the RPD.
Then give the rifleman for bouth or marksmen the AR10, preferebly the portugese variant
Why the Portuguese?
@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger Mostly because of a feature I just like. The bolt is telescopic, meaning when you charge the bolt, it doesn't actually stick out. But that is a bit nitpicking. The Senegalese one doesn't have that, but It would make more sense for insurgents to have it and security the Portuguese. I really want an AR10 and AR18 in the game.
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 sure wanting a different AR is fine but it feels kinda asinine for a specific variant of a minor(ish) country
@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger He probably wants the Portuguese AR-10 because a video on it has been in many peoples recommended videos for the last few weeks, and Jekabs has likely been recommended the video as well lol
Id prefer whichever AR-10 would be most 'accurate' to end up in the hands of middle-eastern security forces, i'll let Nwi figure that bit out
honestly i'd like marksman to get a M16 like INS 2 has. M16, bipod, Supp. with 7x rifle scope.
“STEP ONE, OBTAIN THE KEYS”
Hey, at least there wasn't the "attach a suppressor, and it'll become a great flanking weapon" line.
no the suppressor is more so you can double the length of the gun and use it as a sniper rifle as everybody is aware of the fact that making the barrel longer makes the gun into a sniper weapon.
@@SickSnipes Hey, if it works with the M4 vs the M16...
@@SickSnipes SKS noises
This video along with the fact that NWI refuses to add M1014 shows that they are really afraid to do anything that is truly innovative to the game. Maybe they are afraid to piss Insurgency 2 fans like me but we Insurgency 2 fans are actually open to new weapons (see workshop). I hope it is the coding issue that stops them from adding those cool stuffs because that is actually a good excuse.
I'm pretty sure the reason we don't see semi-auto shotguns in the game is because they would 100% dominate any close range engagement if implemented even halfway-decently and have everyone crying about balance, and if they implement them balanced around gameplay they'd have a bunch of people crying that it's unrealistic and a semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun should slap in CQC engagements.
@@Rajoovi1 Like the Dragunov is still allowed to be a zero-recoil room clearer since the game launched?
@@varyagace I have never seen the SVD be used as a room clearer, wtf kind of marksmen are on your team?
the SVD with irons, is a laser that you can spam at any range. yeah marksman rifles are kind of op
@@Rajoovi1 they could take a page out of cods book...like ummm the M1014 only had 4 shells (even though irl for military it holds 7=1 I beleive) in Modern Warfare and MW2, and it got brought up to 6 when you selected extended mags in MW2. But who knows.
I was hoping for a flashbang round too, still fun as hell to use tho. First time I thought the loading grip is actually the best grip for a gun.
What a missed opportunity. Flashbang rounds. Tear gas rounds. Engine block killers.
I want to see a six gauge dragon's breath round. Turn that sucker into a flamethrower.
Yeah man, what a missed opportunity
It doesn't even has the stock, extended barrels and the scope neither!
I NEVER use shotguns, but decided to with this new update. Absolutely loving the KS 23. Been having some nasty games of Domination with it. I slap a compensator and 1.5 PKS on there and it feels like I'm one-tapping people from AR mid-range, kinda nuts.
After 700hrs in this game im not even use scopes, irons sights only on almost all weapons. Tend to do more headshots tho. You defnly should try it too
if they don’t want to add the special ammo types, they could at least make it so the gun works on vehicles and somewhat-“explodes” enemies when you hit them because it’s cool
Honestly since I’ve started using it I’ve had way more fun in insurgency it’s just very satisfying but I do agree with you on the ragdoll point they should also put in more gore when you hit certain areas
I never blew one person's head off once. 0/10 would not shotgun again
@@SickSnipes RIGHT!! That alone made me angry but playing the playlist on the new map and being mvp almost every game only using the ks-23 was so satisfying. Hope I see you in a match sometime love your gun guides btw
Is it a shotgun? Carbine? Handheld artillery piece?
Yes
I'd also like to see it blow apart doors into tiny pieces. I think it was supposed to be a breaching tool as well as a riot tool
NWI is training us for later in life by disappointing us early which sets our standards for enjoyment low so we will almost always be pleasantly surprised
I know you're joking but I honestly noticed that little things that these games do from time to time impress me when it's a feature discovered years ago
Their "winning formula" of one map, two guns and hillarious skins once in a 6 months seems like not workin anymore. Previous updates had like 10k players online after update dropps, now its much smaller
Good work sick snipes. I think I've watch all the gun guides.
This gun, from what I can tell (don't own sandstorm), would be massively improved if 1: It got the specialty shells. 2: You had the option of fitting the full-length stock and barrel to increase its deadliness at further distances. And 3: It generally doesn't care what part of you it hits and whether its got armor or not, you're still kinda screwed.
What you're talking about is just using an SVD with heavy ammo carrier and 3 grenades.
Pretty much, I rarely see reason to use much else then that or a stock akm in the game rn
@@Arktosum_ Yeah I'm the same. I usually use a stock AKM or a stock M16 whenever I play.
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Fun fact! There are a few KS-23s in the US, but there's not many. Also, the KS-23's buckshot is similar to that of 3" magnum 00 12ga. Final fun fact, it was made with out of spec 23mm cannon barrels originally meant for the MiG fighter jets.
The barrels were quality control rejects, they are perfectly safe for use with 23mm shotgun shells but woukdnt be safe to use on a ZSU with actual autocannon rounds, in a way it's recycling :) also it dosnt shoot flashbangs, it produces the flash and sound from a massive specialty made blank round
Low key wanted to see a 23mm shell being fire out out 50cm long shotgun
I wonder if devs are scared to give us auto shotguns. I understand that the KS23 fits really well with the whole jail themed expansion, but you can't deny that it's a struggle to find a niche for this gun, and the KSG probably is similarly not some Earth shattering upgrade over the R870; but no doubt a SPAS 12 and an M1014 both would have been much easier to balance as a higher quality upgrade to the pump guns.
So we arent going to talk about the perfect intro. 2 words 2 shots. Chefs kiss
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The 4 gauge slug hits like a truck tho lol
It's always fun bringing the .50 out in coop on free weekends just to see the newbies react to the ragdoll shenanigans it pulls.
That said, the KS-23 does get one 'advantage' over other shotguns in that it's ads speed seems to be rather quick. It's not enough to make up for the lacking capacity and iffy promise of 'moar damage' than an extant one-shot.
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no mention of the ridiculously fast ads speed? i think that alone makes it a very competetively viable option especially in cqb and is a very strong competitor to the other shotguns.
Really? I haven’t felt the ads speed being any different from the TOZ
the ads is near instant even with a suppressor
Huh, true. I overlooked that feature, i defenetly experienced that, but do not remmeber(funny).
I have noticed that there is no "reload timer" per shell unlike the old shotguns: the ammo counter goes up only once the loading animation restarts instead of when the shell is visually in like the old ones.
the KSG suffers the same bug but its more crippling with the ks23
ks 23 with "multishot / buckshot equivalent" Cartriges would have a worse range then a standard 12 gauge smoothbore due to rifling. that is because spinning a single projectile gives itmore accuracy but spinning buckshot spreads it out due to centrifugal force ( or was it centripetal, i cant remmember which is which)
As cool as it is overall seems like a downgrade on your typical pump action. Oughta just give us the flashbang shells by default, maybe with some other specialty ammo type like frag rounds as an alt option with a 1 or 2 point cost. Buck and slugs always being the majority of your ammo type with something like 4-8 shells being either the flash or frags, loaded one at a time via the fire select key (Neotokyo had a shotgun functioning like this). Regular buck/slugs should also blast apart doors. Proper stock and longer barrel would be nice attachment options, 1 or 2 points each.
What people expected when voting shotgun: automatic shotguns, semi-auto shotguns, special shells
What we actually got: Literally the same type of fucking pump action gun already in the game.
They should add the Barikada round. It was supposed to lodge in car engine blocks and stop them, so it would be an interesting addition if they added it and made it do that. By the way, a small correction, you cant find this anywhere outside of russia. There is a single civilian KS-23 in the USA, but thats it.
Load out concept:
AKM or AK-74 with a extended or drum mag add a bipod and you have a LMG for when you just need another MG.
Also light carrier and light vest for speed and a pistol with the quick draw holster and gas mask. Very versatile useful for on the go and pushing or sitting back with a optic and defending.
Enjoy
Actualy footage of Fury - you got me.
It's fun to use though admittedly the extra power is kind of dubious when the normal 12s kill so quickly.
That being said what really struck me is why is there not more Gore involved in a game that has forward full dismemberment when you're shooting somebody with a 23 mm shot gun?
aaaaah the KS23, because when you want your opponent to get flashbanged and then tear their legs off with a Shrapnel 10 shell,accept no substitute.
Too bad they've never put back the old M1014 like in the first Insurgency game back in 2007. Maybe if they're concerned with semi-auto shotguns as being OP, they could nerf it a bit.
They could turn the M1014 and maybe add the semi-auto shotgun like the MP-155 for insurgents into something like this:
- Maybe the semi-auto shotguns costs 5 supply points. The most expensive shotgun for the breacher class.
- Buckshot/flechette = 2 usually shots on CQB and at longer ranges = 3 shots. As long as these are not hitting the head which is always 1 shot or 2 if it's just one stray pellet hitting the helmet and not the skin/face areas. IDK. maybe.
- 4-round tube like the civilian version as default for balancing purposes despite the extended capacity tube would be the most obvious for military use. They could just use the 7-round tube as part of an extended ammo accessory while maybe the 6-round tube for the MP-155. Maybe costing 2 or 3 supply points?
- Slower reloading compared to the pump action shotgun for balancing.
- Put some kind of delay per shot/pulling the trigger? So you can't fire it as fast as you can click your mouse similar to how you would do on semi-auto firing modes of other guns or pistols. Probably a bad idea. IDK. Just a thought.
- Increase recoil a bit more. both horizontal and vertical. Now players are more inclined to use grips especially the recoil grip aside from the extended ammo accessory. Which then turns the gun even more expensive to use.
- Slightly heavier than other shotguns. Probably on the unrealistic side again. But just another thing to consider for balancing purposes.
- Since the semi-auto shotguns are super expensive, that will also add to the balancing by having less points to use on other auxiliary items or gears such as gas masks, throwables, armor, extra ammo capacity, or secondary weapons.
Just a few ideas on how they could balance out semi-auto shotguns. If they ever plan on adding them.
Yeah, i was really expecting to see the M1014 and TOZ-87, also all of these are bad ideas
One solution would be to make armor useful again
Like if you see videos of buckshot vs armor you can see how effective armor is against buckshot
Today was the day when I finally got this
PUNGENT game
Tis fucking awesome
And your vids as well ya beautiful bastard
I literally couldn't tell the diference when you showed the toz in the video. I was like hold on why does it cycle faster now? it looks the same, it sounds the same is there a grased bolt attachment? oh wait he is using a compleatly different gun!
srsly. tho the ks is the exact same gun as the toz exept for the name and less shells. why did owi even bother?
I like how in 3:05 you can hear someone say something that goes with "idiot"
I would use “Absolute F*Ckin unit” to describe the damn ammo this shoots
Threw the 4x1 on it with slugs, probably the most fun I’ve had in a while in the game
Flashbang rounds would be so cool.
I'm the guy that took the baton to the face at the beginning of the video, hello.
Nice thompson sound nerf callout. Snipes is cultured
they really need to up the gimmick mechanic for the KS
easily add it like a GL ammor limit options for the casing where it loads it after ejecting a pump in exchange on ejecting regular ammo shells
"Okay, so in retrospect, I think it was a guy..."
Modern problems indeed.
The KS23 was made to answer the question “can we make on demand amputations shoulder fired?”
2:11 yo that's fucking great. never seen the meme put through tf2 source film lmfao
I'm not sure why, but I've been doing really well with it. Maybe its placebo but I feel like its more consistent at killing than the other shotguns, I don't seem to have to aim as precisely with it which saves precious moments in gun fights.
it has about 4 more pellets than the 12 gauges per shot but roughly the same spread.
*SKEWER THE WINGED BEAST!*
I knew there would be a COD BO1 Vorkuta reference :)
Finally. Some good fucking content
The KS-23 was developed after world War 2 because the Soviet Union had a surplus of 23mm barrels for the IL-2 attack aircraft so they turned them into a shotgun
Personally, I think NWI should stop pussyfooting around and just give us ammo conversion kits. KS-23 and all its cool but frankly terrifying shell selection. Turning the Scar into a 5.56 rifle. Turning the MK-18 to take 9mm mags (kinda gimicky then the others). At first I didn't like how the 5.45 plum mag was on the alpha ak when it also had the regular 7.62 drum, but it would be cool to convert it to either one since they added a PSO-1 to all ak variants.
A revolver paired with this should be a class A felony.
We are all on arma reforger now fam 👌🏻
this feels like inception or something
To be honest, I have a problem with this gun: When I use other shotguns after this one, it's actually harder for me to hit targets. I guess it's because KS 23' has more fragments to hit with, so it easier to hit someone, even if the target is close to me.
Gunners rlly do be the middle child of Sandstorm, breacher is pretty much the youngest child at this point
Even though you might be tempted to use slug dont. Use flechette. Its basically a shell full of metal shards which act like tiny little slugs. I can hit anything i point at.
While I know it doesn't exclusively pertain to the KS 23, I was a little disappointed that you didn't make some mention of NWI removing the fast pumping with the double mouse click. What's your take on the matter? I personally liked it and wished they wouldn't have removed such a unique mechanic as I believe it detracts from the shotgun experience and removes something that brough the guns more in line with the rest of the guns in the game. They could have even included is an attachment for supply points like the greased bolt for bolt action rifles.
(Before anyone says it made shotguns OP, refer to this games faster fire rate auto snipers one shotting with even better bullet trajectory and a better ammo count).
Was this even fucking mentioned by New World anywhere? I only noticed it in-game after this update, and it's a real kick in the dick considering the fact that this update was shotgun-oriented.
I believe at one point bolt action rifles could do something like this as well and there used to even be a tip screen about it. really dumb they removed it right there with you.
@@SickSnipes This worked with shotguns, bolt-actions, and the Welrod, I think. It was super noticeable if you were using an M24 with the Greased Bolt upgrade; you could fire WAY faster via manually cycling the bolt.
Best implementation of this gun is in Tarkov for sure
I use it just because imagine that fucking slug hitting a man, that's scary LMAO
That ending song christ lol
USAS-12 would be fun to see
2:12
My favorite part
I pulled 107 kills in checkpoint yesterday, sweet gun
A 12 Guage slug will 100% stop a technical vehicle i.e "truck" with a properly placed shot. Especially if it's a high velocity rifled slug which is for smooth bore barrels or a "sabot" slug for rifled barrels
Heres hoping gunners get some love soon, hell id take an update that just gives them a class specific side arm like a PDW like a g18 and tec 9 or something,
At 0:09 he ran past Max Payne. Cool.
Chris Kyle 😂😂. Nice
Here's hoping we get M60e4 and DP-28 next update
*phantom forces flashbacks*
Me seeing the scoreboard or teammates talking:
HEY I KNOW THAT GUY
If any dom guys know Greyskull that's me lol
Hello Greyskull
hell yeah bang shots
or make it 1 point
Accidentally knocks a teammates block off, then promptly deletes a woman.
All I gotta say is, that's pretty based.
the KS 23 is just a portable gulag
Went 33-5 with this thing yesterday. It’s a fucking monster! Weird that you don’t mention the ridiculous ADS time, put an aiming grip on there and you’ll be aiming faster out of sprint than the fool with the ak standing still who’s day you’re about to ruin.
TY for the tip, will try right now!
It pissed me off when I learned I could not have the M1 Garand in Demo.
This is the best gun in insurgency im telling you
Wish you could put the solid and wire stock aswell as longer barrel on it, fyi this gun has a attachment too shoot a grappling hook in real life
the flash bang rounds would be awesome for this gun it really falls short with on 4 rounds but it slaps ive one shotted players with the flechette from crazy far
Literal boom stick
I think the secerirty should have got the A12 shotgun and insurgents the Saiga 12. Fair if you ask me both can have full auto and both have drum mag options room for sights and lazers and all that stuff.
Best gun in the game.
where sharpened toothbrush??
How do you feel about the new "spawn protection" in domination? I think it's the dumbest thing ever and needs to be removed or at least tweaked alot, been robbed of so many kills from it while they can kill me whenever.
If it worked it’d be fine. I see a message saying it will be disabled once they move but then they take 3 shells to the back while sprinting away from me then turn around and pop me. It’s pretty broken.
I had hoped they would've given us the proper KS-23 instead of a stockless KS-23M, they didn't even bother give it the option to add the skeleton stock
I feel bad for my habibi's wrists
Honestly they could’ve added way better guns, it’s not like we don’t already have pump shotguns! 😂😂😂 I understand the CQB theme of prison but damn give us more guns!
Been waiting for new gunner guns for years
Insurgents should've gotten a striker12 or a siaga 12. Securtity should've got a the AA12 or the Benelli m4. There are so many other shotguns to pick from
I never use slugs and I still magically nail headshots at rifle ranges somehow
Each time I can play as a sniper I chose the .50 cal and use it as a shotgun because it is so fun seeing people fly each time I pull the trigger so is beyond me why they didn't do the same for this gun
I use this shotgun like I’m in gears of war
God Bless Brother!
Yeah. This gun is somehow a curse to me because whenever I use it, I didn't even get a chance to nail someone once and the fact it can only hold 4 rounds is just bad (tbh what do I expect with a shotgun like this).
Regardless, I do try to find some fun value in the KS23
Still waiting for NWI to give love to the consoles
Also falsely featured the ability to suicide bomb with a teammate to detonate an explosive on the games trailer page but wasn’t in the game
I am all for turning it into a ragdoll launcher
I’m only two minutes into this video, and I want one, not just in game, but IRL.
Repurposed AA gun parts
That's what cannonicaly KS23 is.
Got crossmapped by this gun the other day...