F1 Phoenix Street Circuit (1991 Layout) | Was this the best F1 Street Circuit in the US?

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  • @russianbubbawallace8681
    @russianbubbawallace8681 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    This track layout has indycar and imsa written all over it

    • @OumuamuaOumuamua
      @OumuamuaOumuamua ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Lowkey would love for indycar and imsa to have raced here

    • @eholanda01
      @eholanda01 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You're 110% right 👍

    • @onesevenninewest
      @onesevenninewest ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indycar did end up racing at Phoenix Raceway, but I’d love to see it come back either to the track or to the streets

    • @russianbubbawallace8681
      @russianbubbawallace8681 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@onesevenninewest me too, indycar never raced the reconfiguration of Phoenix Raceway and I'd love to see it

  • @Sagitariosun1776
    @Sagitariosun1776 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    The battle between Senna and Alesi was epic. What a race. Pierluigi Martin in front row alongside Berger.
    The track was really bumpy.
    I remember this one was called "Desert town" on the F1 Sensation video game.

  • @formulanova12
    @formulanova12 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That was some insane rotation into the first corner

  • @zoomosis
    @zoomosis ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I remember this was a lot of fun to drive around in Microprose F1 Grand Prix. I doubt it would suit modern F1 cars though.
    The 1970s Long Beach layout was better, at least for the cars of the era. More flowing.
    It's a shame the Port Imperial circuit in New Jersey never went ahead. It would've been an interesting track to drive.

    • @sonnymastrangioli
      @sonnymastrangioli 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This was also in GT64. Driving all the Japanese touring cars like the R33's, Supras, and such was fun. They had the full layout then the shorter one which was simply the blocked roads that made the turns for the full course opened up and swapped around.

  • @karolgyore7082
    @karolgyore7082 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The last corner would have Wall of Champions vibes...

  • @flazone4486
    @flazone4486 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Famous track where Ayrton Senna and Jean Alesi had their legendary battle in 1990, and it was as well the last American track to host a Grand Prix in F1 before Indianapolis in 2000, and the last American Street track before now Miami and Las Vegas.

  • @eholanda01
    @eholanda01 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This track would no longer serve the current F1. But I agree with the colleague in the previous comment: it would be perfect for today's Indycar. Great lap 👍

  • @WoddCar
    @WoddCar ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The track would be nice if it wasn’t so goddam bumpy

  • @djvycious
    @djvycious ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of my all time favourite tracks! I actually took a trip into downtown Phoenix just to walk the original layout. Fun fact, it is impossible to run the original two layouts, but somewhat make a hybrid of both in the first sector, and extend the final corner another block. The area of the first sector is quite built up now, with the Footprint Center and Chase field along E Jackson, and more skyscrapers along Washington.

    • @onesevenninewest
      @onesevenninewest ปีที่แล้ว

      A potential new layout for the street circuit could have hairpin turns bridging 1st and Central Aves. and 3rd and 4th streets, with the main straight on Roosevelt and the pits on Washington. Convention center parking could be used as a makeshift hospitality plaza, maybe.

    • @djvycious
      @djvycious ปีที่แล้ว

      @@onesevenninewest Your idea is probably great, but I think I'd need a diagram to visualize it. Washington is still pretty wide, but there's an LRT rail running on it now, so it's not as wide as in the early 90s

  • @Oranje_24
    @Oranje_24 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Literally a Formula E Track

  • @leslieloud17
    @leslieloud17 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    If this was on the f1 calendar, Perez might win because it's a street circuit

    • @markdemars7648
      @markdemars7648 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And it's not too far from the border of Mexico so this makes it a track tailor made for his skills

    • @T-Wavebeatbox
      @T-Wavebeatbox 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@markdemars7648 nah he would crash in the first corner just like in Mexico

  • @markdemars7648
    @markdemars7648 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I recognize this layout of the course😮

    • @markdemars7648
      @markdemars7648 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mitsos I recognize this course layout from Super Monaco GP and Super Monaco GP 2

  • @kd6558
    @kd6558 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used to enjoy racing this back in the old microprose F1 Grand Prix days

  • @raymondo43
    @raymondo43 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hide it before Stefano Domenicali sees it!

  • @syaddahkisatasound444
    @syaddahkisatasound444 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can you do a hotlap at Jeddah corniche circuit with Formula E Gen3? I can't even imagine how formula E race at this circuit. This track looks so fast and maybe you can do a hotlap here👌

  • @manuelgrothe608
    @manuelgrothe608 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wished IndyCar and IMSA would Race in Phoenix, Arizona alongside Formula One

  • @Jdawg1991
    @Jdawg1991 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Between this and long beach.. waiting to see the Chicago circuit for nascar and the new Las Vegas F1 street circuit

  • @ab8jeh
    @ab8jeh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reminds me of playing Crammond's GP1, especially the meter boards.

  • @ekosim-racing754
    @ekosim-racing754 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I for one find that it was not perfect but certainly THE challenge for all, not one lap could be reproduced in the same manner, differently from today’s standards. A true talent could aspire to be the winner and no other.

  • @onesevenninewest
    @onesevenninewest ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, finally! My home GP!

  • @StevenP727
    @StevenP727 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Ok Lewis there's a couple bumps on the track so get in there"

  • @JamieAtSLC
    @JamieAtSLC ปีที่แล้ว

    I think this circuit was torpedoed by the first race being held in June. Phoenix. In June.

  • @CandlestickSec7
    @CandlestickSec7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you ever done Long Beach 1976-1981? That’s a great track.

  • @FCB001
    @FCB001 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The race there had less crowd than a local ostrich festival lol

  • @alvarogaldames4259
    @alvarogaldames4259 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Race Of The Phoenix 1991 in The Years 90 Is for The Formula E.

  • @Erik_The_Viking
    @Erik_The_Viking ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Phoenix was trash. Long Beach is by far the best street circuit here in the US. I was always glued to the F1 US GP West (as it was called then, as typically there was the F1 US GP East in Detroit or Watkins Glen).

    • @plantfeeder6677
      @plantfeeder6677 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I miss both the Detroit street cuircut and Watkins Glen. They both have character.
      I'll never forget John Watson in that "obsolete" McLaren-Ford in 1982 in the wet drifting completely crossed up lap after lap. One of the great drives in F-1 history and criminally forgotten. He was brilliant that day.

    • @onesevenninewest
      @onesevenninewest ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re right but I violently hate you for saying this.

  • @Trucker_Tube
    @Trucker_Tube ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you do a hotlap at Autopolis International Racing Course in Japan?

  • @Kaipira_k.a.s_91
    @Kaipira_k.a.s_91 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A maioria dessas pistas antigas dos EUA, ajeitadas logicamente a F-E, teria umas 16 E-Prix no mínimo.

  • @GamersHolyArmy
    @GamersHolyArmy ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know it's clickbait, but Long Beach is right there.

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Long Beach was not an F1 street circuit

    • @eholanda01
      @eholanda01 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Mitsos1311 "From 1976 to 1983 the event was a Formula One race, commonly known as the United States Grand Prix West." Sorry my friend but, in the 70's and 80's, it was.

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eholanda01 I stand corrected

  • @detonator2112
    @detonator2112 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quite nice circuit and much faster than Detroit which is a lot like Monaco. Detroit is very slow, very few fast straights.

  • @hungrysurfer9471
    @hungrysurfer9471 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was much beter than other street tracks like Detroit or Vegas

  • @shvalovpavel9243
    @shvalovpavel9243 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1982: 3 F1 races in the USA
    1991: 1 F1 race in USA, less popular than local farmers exhibition
    2023: again 3 F1 races in USA
    2031:...

  • @CanalRAG
    @CanalRAG ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Mitsos. Please man one a question: How execute download track? Link in description not show download lin. I don't understand this.

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you need to reach out to the email on the website

  • @2much4you10
    @2much4you10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Car looks to be drifting into turn 1, rears just instantly stepped out

  • @RubensBarrichello.
    @RubensBarrichello. 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think Phoenix would host an awesome IndyCar race. If F1 were there it would be very much like Azerbaijan, which is kind of a snoozefest

  • @Xariama
    @Xariama ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Portland or Cleveland over this one, but not by a whole lot.

  • @plantfeeder6677
    @plantfeeder6677 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hmmm. Not a great replacement for Detroit imo. Had a decent race there but nothing compared to John Watson's win at the 1982 Detroit Grand Prix. That is one of the greatest forgotten drives of F-1.

    • @nachoalvarez7171
      @nachoalvarez7171 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mean Long Beach right?

  • @mistashadow
    @mistashadow ปีที่แล้ว

    That road surface _probably_ doesn't make the most pleasant driving experience

  • @GaryWagers
    @GaryWagers ปีที่แล้ว

    Looked like a complete lack of grip there, especially into Turn One. Wow.

  • @hmdwgf
    @hmdwgf ปีที่แล้ว

    The best F1 street circuit was the original Long Beach (1976-1980); the 1982 version was good too.

  • @TROD..
    @TROD.. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this mod available, can’t find a download through the link in the description ?

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you need to reach out to the creator’s email and he will provide a way to get it

  • @adamplace1414
    @adamplace1414 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know, I always heard the Phoenix track was pretty bad, but I've seen worse... Like this week's GP track... Or last week's...

    • @eholanda01
      @eholanda01 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree. Baku and Miami have modern layouts and places where you can overtake properly. As for this one in Phoenix, definitely not. It was bad back then, imagine now. But I agree that those streets in Downtown Phoenix have the potential to do a lot better layout. If F1 were willing to race there again, which I don't think is the case.

    • @adamplace1414
      @adamplace1414 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eholanda01 my point is that "modern layouts" are the issue. They're challenging in qualifying, but during a race it's "wait for the built-in DRS zones and sail by in the inevitable heavy braking zone that follows." There's no incentive to be fast, or attempt a pass, on the rest of the track. Compare that to, say, Suzuka: you've got to get the off-camber Spoon just right to have a good exit, then hold your nerve through 130R, and make a dive into Casio - or be close enough to make the pass into the very fast and tricky turn 1. It tests cars and drivers on every inch of the track - which makes sense, because it was built as a test track, not as a show pony for TV and Netflix. If you want lots of passing just reverse the grid; if you want high-level racing, make it tough.

  • @brettjames5061
    @brettjames5061 ปีที่แล้ว

    why does it look like a off-brand baku?

  • @DeoVindice_61-65
    @DeoVindice_61-65 ปีที่แล้ว

    This track would probably destroy a current F1 car’s suspension in real life.

  • @danielwolfe4169
    @danielwolfe4169 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you share the track please

  • @propork
    @propork ปีที่แล้ว

    so weirdly bumpy, remove that, resurface a little, and its brilliant

  • @danielwolfe4169
    @danielwolfe4169 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the creator of this track just showcases his tracks as a tease and never includes a download

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  ปีที่แล้ว

      Here you go: www.patreon.com/ekosimracing

  • @albertlu7372
    @albertlu7372 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    #F1 #Phoenix #McLaren #LandoNorris4

  • @ped10969
    @ped10969 ปีที่แล้ว

    Port Imperial Street Circuit better, what could've been 😔

  • @MrMorseone23
    @MrMorseone23 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What game is this f12023???

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Assetto Corsa, with dozens of mods

    • @MrMorseone23
      @MrMorseone23 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice i have always wanted to race this is that game on pc or console?

  • @frenchfrey65
    @frenchfrey65 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Way too bumpy

  • @YeungMarcus
    @YeungMarcus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this track is too narrow, bad for sport currently

  • @Dogman36
    @Dogman36 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive had smoother rides in a rally car

  • @marijn17s
    @marijn17s ปีที่แล้ว

    belle isle >>>>

  • @federicotombolini_
    @federicotombolini_ ปีที่แล้ว

    It was an awful circuit, in a race not liked by anyone.
    Long Beach (until 1981) was the best one.

    • @Mitsos1311
      @Mitsos1311  ปีที่แล้ว

      I must say, I didn’t know that Long Beach hosted an F1 GP before I made this video. Pretty ignorant on my part haha, I wasn’t very familiar with USA based Formula 1 GP’s

    • @federicotombolini_
      @federicotombolini_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mitsos1311 😮