After the 9mm I was hoping you'd advance to a phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range...and after that, perhaps testing the armor's protective abilites against a tactical nuclear strike
I love these videos, because they’re a great example of how armor is effective against missile weapons, and yet it is still worth shooting hundreds of arrows at an enemy formation.
but scale armor wasnt. like mentioned in the end, this scale armor was especially thick and out of steel. scale armor you mostly saw in the ancient times like in ancient egypt or syria. it was out of bronze and of course also a good protection but never as good as this one. and i think a good shot composite bow was also able back in the time to penetrate a bronze scale armor.
But if we are talking about rly rly early firearms, their accuracy was so bad that you may have preferred a crossbow. Crossbows and firearms were being used in conjunction for quite some time, that's most likely because they were somewhat competitive until the more accurate firearms were developed which would then totally outperform any crossbow or bow.
@@kooroshrostami27 from his range he was shooting, he would also hit with a firearm. and btw. even the first rifles, the Arquebuses were allready taking away the swords. after a short time, there were only arquebuses, pikes and cavalry on the battlefield and no more soldiers just with a sword. the arquebuses and later musketeers had their Rapiers for the melee and that was enough.
When you slow down the footage of the arrow, it moves nice and slow. When you slow down the footage of the bullet, you can't even get one frame of it. It really puts into perspective the amazing speed of a bullet.
You know, this is fun and all, but really this is applied archaeology. This is genuinely educational. Most teachers, or even university professors, don't have Skall's toys. I'd love to see a tie-in with a medieval/ancient history academic and Skallagrim.
Its interesting how scale armour works with an actual demonstration against things. I'm using scales for my final fashion piece using faux leather. So looking at this gives me an idea on how to layer my leather to add features and details.
Reminds me of this scene in the movie "Support Your Local Sheriff" when James Garner's character is getting the badge from the town and it has a bullet dent in it. "Must have saved someone's life." "It would have if it weren't for the other bullets coming at him."
you should give another layer of padded armor or leather armor below the scale armor. otherwise, the damage given to the body won't be realistic enough
So with crossbow bolts, wider seems to be a better plan as it lets it slide a bit to slip in between instead of a straight on pierce with a sharp narrow point.
i don't think that would be the case with well made scale armour, even if one managed to slip between two scales, on a properly made one if you had three rows of scales the bottom row would actually start so far up that the top layer covers it, so if anything sliped between the middle scales, the bottom row would stop it.
Justin Pal-Freeman Was just a observation. Could be that. But the wider bolts definetly skidded instead a straight on pierce. Watched the slow motion a couple of times cause it was surprising to watch
One of the things to consider in his testing here is, that he is shooting the armour from an angle one would not normally face when someone would be wearing it. Since the armour and the 'torso' are on the ground, a lot of the scales are angled in favour for him here. In normal use, they would all point down, nowhere near the enemy and not give projectiles an easier time slipping through. A wider head like the one shown here might still be able to slip through but the chance for that happening would probably be far lower.
but adding spin would reduce the power of the hit. I just would have liked to see a few more shots to see how it would do on a more than one shot basis.
I enjoyed the video but I think I would rather see weapons used on scale that might have been used against it historically and even the crossbow is rather late period for scale.
Yeah, it's kind of unfair. Crossbows were designed to deal with types of armour that were actually tougher and more advanced than scale. It would be interest to see it tested against regular bows or javelins.
Previous video he talks all about how bladed weapons (swords, axes, etc.) interact with scale armor, then in this video doesn't test it with any at all. It takes very specific armor to handle bullets, that's why plate armor disappeared after guns became common place.
A spear (and hence probably a javelin) could overcome this easily but it would be interesting to see it against a period sword (i.e. not very pointy). It is almost impossible to penetrate mail with such a sword, but this seems to be more vulnerable, particularly its basic variant (the Russian and Roman versions which stop the scales from moving might fare better). So that would be an interesting test.
what? crossbows were in existence with scale armor. This test also proved the armor to successful. The one thing that Skall didn't mention was his distance to the armor. Considering the time he released the bolt and the thud, he shot within or less than 40 feet. It was super fast. So it was short distance. And that's all the damage it did. The armor did it's job. The archers would get 1 or 2 volleys within effective armor piercing range so it proves to show how tough it is to pierce armor. The only way for archers to effectively kill armored soldiers is 1. They're behind walls or wooden stakes or 2. soldiers protecting them in front of them. This also means that a direct cavalry charge would destroy them even if they manage to shoot 2 volleys at them.
Fascinating. Always loved the look of scale. I must buy or make some one day. You can see why lamellar came about if projectiles can slip between scales-which I wasn't expecting, though it may be the modern scale design you were using. Even a little horizontal overlap may possiblyreduce that vulnerability, I wonder. In melee the majority of blows are downward, but you only need one to kill or injure & the job is done.
WarlandWriter It would depend on the arrowhead. It would likely stop the crescent shaped arrowhead but I believe the sharp tipped bodkin would likely be more affective due to it having a more stable surface to penetrate.
The ultimate problem with scale, I think, is that it is really ineffective as a glancing surface. With larger plates, the force can deflect off. This just deflects into the area between the scales. All that force has to go somewhere, and it's probably going into you.
In general probably yes, at least the better lamellar suits are going to disperse energy more effectively and resist letting thing slip through the cracks.
@@roguishpaladin so what I'm getting from this is that with scale armor, softer metals are actually desirable, as a scale would be more likely to catch a point rather than deflect, but this makes the scale itself easier to penetrate. Guess that's why they switched to plate armor.
I'd honestly rather be wearing scale armour than mail if I was getting shot by arrows. And from what I've seen those metal plates look pretty thin and their strength could be partially compromised by the rust. I think if you increased the metal thickness by 1.5-2x and overlapped the scales more it'd be far more formidable.
This is very true. I had a few square feet of 1.2 mm thick scales and was testing their strength, .22 did nothing tho the scales, 9 millimeter dented the scales, and .223 punctured almost all of the times we fired it. There was one time that a scale caught the .223 though.
This is just costume armour. Real scale armour usually had lacing halfway down each scale, hidden by the next row above, to give much better resistance to being pushed apart. A gambeson would also usually be worn beneath. Mild steel is very soft & untempered too. Nothing except the thickest plate breastplates will stop a bullet! I've always love the look of scale armour.
Matteus Silvestre I always thought the black arrow in the hobbit was just a lucky arrow; not really actually important or powerful beyond being well-made but personally important for bard as a family heirloom.
I haven't read the book in years, but from the movie I definitely got the impression that these were somehow special dragon killing arrows. Which would make it all the more stupid that they fell out of use.
@@hazzmati I know I'm a year late to this, but "fire" is an acceptable term for most projectile weapons in the modern era. You can fire someone without litterally setting them on fire, you can fire off questions without fire, neurons in your brain can fire (it would be interesting if you had millions of fires started every second in your head). Although the term "fire" wasn't originally used for crossbows until firearms came into being, language is ever evolving and there are thousands apon thousands of terms that weren't used in certain cases a few centuries ago. Many terms for crossbows only exist in the english language with the word "fire". The term "dry fire" is used almost elusively for releasing without a bolt, or "rapid fire" for shooting quickly. If you are being shot at by a group of crossbowmen, it would be proper to shield yourself from enemy "fire". "Shoot" is by far the most commonly used term for the act of shooting a crossbow, but "fire" remains an acceptable term to the vast majority. If you read the translation of many old texts "fire" is also commonly used. "The Zhuge Nu is a handy little weapon that even the Confucian scholar or palace women can use in self-defence... It fires weakly so you have to tip the darts with poison." "Directed into the enemy's heavily obscured formation, their repeating crossbows (powered by linkage with the wheels) fired repeatedly in random directions, inflicting heavy casualties." Now you could say that the people who write books or translate books don't have a grasp of the english language, but is it not sensible that because something is a commonly accepted term, it is a proper usage in the english language? The only way "fire" would not be correct is if you are writing a period piece where you attempt to speak more in a historical context, and even then it's up to the author whether to use modern terms or not.
The broad crescent tip bolt shows the inherent problem with scale armor, especially in this configuration where the scales are only fastened at the top. It looks like scales, but when an incoming blow hits the scale, it naturally glances off.....right into the crack between the scale and the one next to it. Force is essentially redirected exactly where you don't want it to go. The pointier tips impacted hard enough to bite into the scale itself, which was in some ways counterproductive. A spear or sword thrust would behave more like the broad blade tip.
Crossbows would historically have been used from a much longer range than this, right? And therefore have a lower velocity and impact when it actually hits the armor.
I'm not sure about crossbows but longbows were actually used at a fairly close range, or more precisely mostly used at a rather short range. At least that seems to be what Mike Loades believes (and supports with some tests and arguments based on better penetration as well as pretty much all illuminations showing archers shooting forward rather than at an angle). Also almost everyone would wear a helmet, many people would not wear quality armour, so you are more likely to do more damage shooting them from the front rather than from above. But given that crossbows take much longer to reload, they might have been used a bit differently.
Yes, though the difference in penetration is not as siginificant as one might expect, Tod has tested this. Either way, the armor clearly worked not great but still decently, a lot of these shots would have done absolutely nothing and keep in mind that this is a pretty high end crossbow for the medieval times. A lighter one would do even less and would probably have to slide in between the scales to cause any damage at all. The fact that bolts can slide in between is quite a weak point of the armor though since they would most definetly cause fatality.
When I made my own scale armor, I made the scales long enough so there is no gaps like in this armor you tested. Also convexed them only enough to follow human shape. Too convexed scales, like those in that armor you tested, would only serve to guide piercing hits to between scales.
no non-fantasy armour is good against everything. Bullets destroy most metal armour and are stopped at least mostly by modern armour. BUT modern armour tends to be vulnerable to thrust and slash attacks from bladed weapons and offers very little protection from bludgeoning. I guess that it is just a matter of having the right armour for the weapons you are facing.
Armoury-Terrain Iirc there was a period where metal armour was more likely to be able to stop a gun shot. Oda Nobunaga was supposedly knock on his ass by two shots from an assassin with an arquebus. He got up and, being Oda Nobunaga, had the would-be assassin painfully executed. It was probably Nobunaga being able to afford a good quality set of armour and the fact that the arquebus had a smooth bore, making accurate shots difficult.
or the fact that the black powder did not fire a ball as quickly as gunpowder does. If a bullet or ball was on an angle it could also glance off. It is possible to have steel armour which is bullet proof but it becomes too heavy to wear against later firearms.
bullets penetrate with raw force, while blades/arrows/bolts use sharpness to rip through, so bullets are more effective vs solid armor while blades/arrows/bolts are more effective vs soft armor
seedFan85 Not Skall, but probably a coat of plates. This video clearly demonstrated the dangers interest in wearing scale armor where the scales aren't fixed to each other.
seedFan85 coat of plates caues the plates are riveted to the inside of lether/cloth and they ovelap in a way that makes it impossible for a blade or a bolt to slip between the plates
So, if the slipping between the plates/ scales is the problem, would the type 3, 4 or 5 scales (mentioned in the previous video) still be significantly worse than the coat of plates?
A full double over overlap (like you find on a classic shingle or tiled roof) would also help keep pointy thins from going through the cracks, as the entire crack is then cover by either the row of scales above or below a given row. I would be interested it how it would have done spear or sword thrusts.
Skall, I just love the sound of your percussion pistol. I don't know why, but that satisfying PEOWMN makes my kokoro doki-doki. It also makes me speak weeaboo.
Looks like the broadhead bolt actually cut through the edge of one of the scales, and I think the bolts were able to readily slip between the scales because of the slight rearward tilt of the armor, allowing them to skate off of one scale and up under the one above, going right into backing leather.
I've seen illustrations of an arrangement of scales in which the scales in a row overlapped each other and were attached to the backing along the top and one side. The neighboring scales protected the side attachments, and the overlap from the upper row protected the top attachments. That arrangement would minimize the chances of a bolt or arrow getting between the scales. It also wouldn't be as flexible.
Surprisingly good results. Makes me think that with a better design (100% overlap to prevent pass-through), and 1mm thick modern shock resistant steel (600 hbw, at least 4 times as strong as what is shown here), it would be possible to stop even modern .22lr cci velocitor out of a 24" bolt action.
A cinematographic advice: If you have a spare camera capable of slo motion, you should fire your shooting angle(correction: shoot your firing angle, messed that up...) . It is always fun to see the bullet/bolt fly out of the weapon
Wow the crossbow tests were awesome with some unexpected results. Especially the broad-head one really surprised me. But no hammer/mace tests... I mean come on, some mace smashes would have produced very entertaining results imo.
Fairly new to the channel...and I'm pleasantly surprised to see the various modern firearms Skall and Cara have. Kriss vektor in 9mm, .223 bolt gun, and of course a pump action 12 ga. I know its not their thing or what the channel is about, but I'd love to see a range day video...
I imagine the reason the crescent-shaped bolt did so well at 3:00 was due to scales being somewhat curved. Watching closely, it is rotating (expected) and as it hit the scales - it sort of slid on them into the gap in-between. I bet adjusted design of the scales would prevent such glaring problem. I wonder if that was one of the issues the prevented scale armour from being as widespread later on. Even if tie every scale ala lamellar armor - the gaps between the scales would still be an issue. While the cost of production is not that cheap either.
One small issue I think about this testing is the angle at which the armor is sitting. Perhaps it’s negligible, but I would think the reclined angle at which the armor is sitting would help with penetration as noted in the last video. Maybe I’m just crazy though.
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After the 9mm I was hoping you'd advance to a phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range...and after that, perhaps testing the armor's protective abilites against a tactical nuclear strike
sorry pal, just what you see
I love your singing.
@@bigroxxor420 -- I'm going home early! :-)
I understood that reference, have a like!
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I see why Cara refused to wear the armour this time.
Peter Guhl hahahah speaking of her, what beautiful fingers she has 😗
Maybe he already take the shot.....but he missed...... the armour........
lol
Yea, that rust would turn most people off. Wouldn’t want to stain a nice garment.
Yeah, couldn’t think of a suitable comment to follow the last video..
5:49 is the most Gentlemanly shooting form I've seen in a while.
Try issf shooting. A whole Bunch of gentlemen
Pirate form right there.
“I don’t have power over the weather quite yet, I’m working on it.” Well it’s been 2 years, how much progress have you made?
Well, I heard he already can make it rain _extremly_ localized after having a few pints...
We've made thunder atleast
One word: "arrow storm"
Jsut gotta shoot a pommel tipped bolt into the sky
I liked that too 🤣
2:25 "I don't have high hopes... for this kind of bolt"
3:10 Easily the most lethal shot yet
the ones before hit the scale, it went inbetween.
I love these videos, because they’re a great example of how armor is effective against missile weapons, and yet it is still worth shooting hundreds of arrows at an enemy formation.
but scale armor wasnt. like mentioned in the end, this scale armor was especially thick and out of steel. scale armor you mostly saw in the ancient times like in ancient egypt or syria. it was out of bronze and of course also a good protection but never as good as this one. and i think a good shot composite bow was also able back in the time to penetrate a bronze scale armor.
This could be re-titled "Why the worst guns supplanted the best crossbows (despite blowing up in people's faces occasionally)"
He didn't use a zip .22 though.
But if we are talking about rly rly early firearms, their accuracy was so bad that you may have preferred a crossbow. Crossbows and firearms were being used in conjunction for quite some time, that's most likely because they were somewhat competitive until the more accurate firearms were developed which would then totally outperform any crossbow or bow.
@@kooroshrostami27 from his range he was shooting, he would also hit with a firearm. and btw. even the first rifles, the Arquebuses were allready taking away the swords. after a short time, there were only arquebuses, pikes and cavalry on the battlefield and no more soldiers just with a sword. the arquebuses and later musketeers had their Rapiers for the melee and that was enough.
6:36 sid miers civilization when someone is behind in tech
When you slow down the footage of the arrow, it moves nice and slow. When you slow down the footage of the bullet, you can't even get one frame of it. It really puts into perspective the amazing speed of a bullet.
The velocity is why bullets penetrate way better than arrows and bolts
Roughly the speed of sound, I reckon
0:36 portrait of Karl Marx :)
Fafner888 holy shit bruh i see it on the scale he’s holding
Daammmnn
WOKE
R.I.P. Karl's Scale 7:00
Omg hahahah
Knights of the world, UNITE!
hah, take that Jesus!
I would love to see more armor tests! I hope more companies (Like Armstreet or Steel Mastery) come up to you to test their products
Dont worry skall you’ll have power over the wind
If you watch the last airbender 120 times in a row
ToxicSkull0 or cancer
Kassiopius 😂
You might be on to something, lol
The real qeastion is you talking about the movie or the show cause that makes a big difference
Daniel Powers the shit movie lmao
AR-500 scale armour would be quite a sight. And probably kind of heavy. I guess that why Kevlar got invented.
Peter Guhl Kevlar scale armor?
Peter Guhl I wanna see something that though.
Avy P That would be boring. Would be working far too well :D
Look up dragonscale bodyarmour (the modern variant). It's pretty much the same principle
AR 550 could be thinner with the same stopping power.
That slow-mo cam action is beautiful
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That crossbow is *THICC*
my proudest fap
i happend upon the youtube video of the guy who made that bow, and its awsome.
Your mother is.
@Turkish Shrek Wazowski Name checks out.
8:15 Oh, I think that ship has already sailed Skall. TH-cam hates weapons remember?
I like the cloud of rust some of the shots made. Very nice.
When you here that electric guitar kicking in, oh boy do you know this armor is in for treat XD
Wow, Kara looks badass with that rifle.
You know, this is fun and all, but really this is applied archaeology. This is genuinely educational. Most teachers, or even university professors, don't have Skall's toys. I'd love to see a tie-in with a medieval/ancient history academic and Skallagrim.
Reviews in previous episode, shoots it in the next,
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Skall is secretly an American
Well, he lives in Canada, so he is American.
Nooot United-States-ofAmerica-n, tho
ToxicSkull0 🤣
migueeeelet ooh so that’s how it works
ToxicSkull0 ohhhhhhhhh yes that's how it works uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ulfric Stormcloak lmao
I loved watching the high-speed footage of the scales bounce and shift after being shot. Satisfying.
A whole episode of foreplay before the penetration started- Skallagrim is a real gentleman.
My dudes gotta vector
I've followed you for years and didn't know you had a modern firearm
Love it
3:24 I'm surprised he didn't even mention the fact that the bolt sliced through one of the scale.
A video with crossbow action is always a win in my book.
I watched the whole advertisemen (Wich happens to be 4minutes long), you better get money or I'm gonna riot the shit out of my town
watching or skipping the ad makes no difference. It doesn't record how much time viewers spent on ads, it records how many ads were seen
Steven Glikin
Well, fuck
Thanks skall, these shooting videos, especially with historical weapons are always entertaining.
Oh how I love these *range weapon* tests on stuff :)
Its interesting how scale armour works with an actual demonstration against things. I'm using scales for my final fashion piece using faux leather. So looking at this gives me an idea on how to layer my leather to add features and details.
that kriss vector 'smg' proves skallagrim has an excellent taste in guns
Your observation about how the uneven ground made loading more difficult, was some fine field archeology work
I'd like to see what a rondelle dagger would do on it....
edi yes, I too want to see that.
im guessing melee weapons would be a lot less effective
the crossbow fires much faster than you can stab
Not as effective as a spaghetti sword.
Seconded! Me too.
Reminds me of this scene in the movie "Support Your Local Sheriff" when James Garner's character is getting the badge from the town and it has a bullet dent in it. "Must have saved someone's life." "It would have if it weren't for the other bullets coming at him."
you should give another layer of padded armor or leather armor below the scale armor. otherwise, the damage given to the body won't be realistic enough
Love the noise with the Kriss, firing and when it hit
This episode reminds me of the anime GATE...
Also +1 for Dirty Hole 🤣
The sound of black powder guns firing is so much more satisfying than modern firearms.
So with crossbow bolts, wider seems to be a better plan as it lets it slide a bit to slip in between instead of a straight on pierce with a sharp narrow point.
i don't think that would be the case with well made scale armour, even if one managed to slip between two scales, on a properly made one if you had three rows of scales the bottom row would actually start so far up that the top layer covers it, so if anything sliped between the middle scales, the bottom row would stop it.
Justin Pal-Freeman Was just a observation. Could be that. But the wider bolts definetly skidded instead a straight on pierce. Watched the slow motion a couple of times cause it was surprising to watch
One of the things to consider in his testing here is, that he is shooting the armour from an angle one would not normally face when someone would be wearing it. Since the armour and the 'torso' are on the ground, a lot of the scales are angled in favour for him here. In normal use, they would all point down, nowhere near the enemy and not give projectiles an easier time slipping through.
A wider head like the one shown here might still be able to slip through but the chance for that happening would probably be far lower.
And don't forget about the gambeson under the scale-armour.
And/or mail armor.
The sound of the gunshot at 5:48 ... SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD!
I'm a simple man. I see armor vs projectiles, I like.
that "THUD" is so satisfying after every shot with the crossbow love it.
I would have loved to see more shots from the Crescent bolt from the crossbow just in case the shot you showed was a fluke.
Yes, that seemed far more effective that it should have been. It even partially split a scale.
actually I think it wasn't that much of a fluke. if you think about it the bolt will spin when hitting the scales until it can slide through the gaps
but adding spin would reduce the power of the hit. I just would have liked to see a few more shots to see how it would do on a more than one shot basis.
on the smaller bodkin tip try: as there would most likely be additional padding, the penetration would be close to null
Dirty hole
actually if u r pewdiepie, your vid will get copyright strike :v
've been looking for this comment, thank you x)
You could see the rust coming off in little bits, pretty cool.
I enjoyed the video but I think I would rather see weapons used on scale that might have been used against it historically and even the crossbow is rather late period for scale.
Yeah, it's kind of unfair. Crossbows were designed to deal with types of armour that were actually tougher and more advanced than scale. It would be interest to see it tested against regular bows or javelins.
Previous video he talks all about how bladed weapons (swords, axes, etc.) interact with scale armor, then in this video doesn't test it with any at all. It takes very specific armor to handle bullets, that's why plate armor disappeared after guns became common place.
A spear (and hence probably a javelin) could overcome this easily but it would be interesting to see it against a period sword (i.e. not very pointy). It is almost impossible to penetrate mail with such a sword, but this seems to be more vulnerable, particularly its basic variant (the Russian and Roman versions which stop the scales from moving might fare better). So that would be an interesting test.
how old is scale armor? thought it was used during medieval period (when crossbows were used). What about the Chinese that used crossbows earlier?
what? crossbows were in existence with scale armor. This test also proved the armor to successful. The one thing that Skall didn't mention was his distance to the armor. Considering the time he released the bolt and the thud, he shot within or less than 40 feet. It was super fast. So it was short distance. And that's all the damage it did. The armor did it's job. The archers would get 1 or 2 volleys within effective armor piercing range so it proves to show how tough it is to pierce armor. The only way for archers to effectively kill armored soldiers is 1. They're behind walls or wooden stakes or 2. soldiers protecting them in front of them.
This also means that a direct cavalry charge would destroy them even if they manage to shoot 2 volleys at them.
6:51 That sounds amazing! The second impact especially.
Man, that scale armor was doing so well at first... I feel bad for it by the end of the video XD
Fascinating. Always loved the look of scale. I must buy or make some one day. You can see why lamellar came about if projectiles can slip between scales-which I wasn't expecting, though it may be the modern scale design you were using. Even a little horizontal overlap may possiblyreduce that vulnerability, I wonder. In melee the majority of blows are downward, but you only need one to kill or injure & the job is done.
So this is type 2 scale armour, right? Would 3, 4 or 5 fare better against a crossbow as the scales don't part as easily?
WarlandWriter It would depend on the arrowhead. It would likely stop the crescent shaped arrowhead but I believe the sharp tipped bodkin would likely be more affective due to it having a more stable surface to penetrate.
The ultimate problem with scale, I think, is that it is really ineffective as a glancing surface. With larger plates, the force can deflect off. This just deflects into the area between the scales. All that force has to go somewhere, and it's probably going into you.
In general probably yes, at least the better lamellar suits are going to disperse energy more effectively and resist letting thing slip through the cracks.
@@roguishpaladin so what I'm getting from this is that with scale armor, softer metals are actually desirable, as a scale would be more likely to catch a point rather than deflect, but this makes the scale itself easier to penetrate.
Guess that's why they switched to plate armor.
Didn't think you used guns
But shooting old armour with a vector looks so satisfying ❤️
I'd honestly rather be wearing scale armour than mail if I was getting shot by arrows. And from what I've seen those metal plates look pretty thin and their strength could be partially compromised by the rust. I think if you increased the metal thickness by 1.5-2x and overlapped the scales more it'd be far more formidable.
This is very true. I had a few square feet of 1.2 mm thick scales and was testing their strength, .22 did nothing tho the scales, 9 millimeter dented the scales, and .223 punctured almost all of the times we fired it. There was one time that a scale caught the .223 though.
This is just costume armour. Real scale armour usually had lacing halfway down each scale, hidden by the next row above, to give much better resistance to being pushed apart. A gambeson would also usually be worn beneath. Mild steel is very soft & untempered too. Nothing except the thickest plate breastplates will stop a bullet! I've always love the look of scale armour.
You kids go out and have fun...
I like how it turned into a gun showcase near the end.
What about black arrows?
Matteus Silvestre I always thought the black arrow in the hobbit was just a lucky arrow; not really actually important or powerful beyond being well-made but personally important for bard as a family heirloom.
Smaug is triggered.
rattregoondoof that's exactly what it was.
I haven't read the book in years, but from the movie I definitely got the impression that these were somehow special dragon killing arrows.
Which would make it all the more stupid that they fell out of use.
that's because the movie took a lot of liberties with the book's story
Actual person, actually firing at actual armor and actually loading the weapon. Best sort of test in my opinion. Uneven ground and all.
Who else wants to fire that crossbow?
you don't fire a crossbow, you shoot it.
you only "fire" weapons that actually use gun powder.
Windhelm Guard this is a definition I got from Google
verb
1.
discharge a gun or other weapon in order to explosively propel (a bullet or projectile).
Well as long as people understand what I'm talking about thrn I think its fine
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I know I'm a year late to this, but "fire" is an acceptable term for most projectile weapons in the modern era. You can fire someone without litterally setting them on fire, you can fire off questions without fire, neurons in your brain can fire (it would be interesting if you had millions of fires started every second in your head). Although the term "fire" wasn't originally used for crossbows until firearms came into being, language is ever evolving and there are thousands apon thousands of terms that weren't used in certain cases a few centuries ago. Many terms for crossbows only exist in the english language with the word "fire". The term "dry fire" is used almost elusively for releasing without a bolt, or "rapid fire" for shooting quickly. If you are being shot at by a group of crossbowmen, it would be proper to shield yourself from enemy "fire".
"Shoot" is by far the most commonly used term for the act of shooting a crossbow, but "fire" remains an acceptable term to the vast majority. If you read the translation of many old texts "fire" is also commonly used. "The Zhuge Nu is a handy little weapon that even the Confucian scholar or palace women can use in self-defence... It fires weakly so you have to tip the darts with poison." "Directed into the enemy's heavily obscured formation, their repeating crossbows (powered by linkage with the wheels) fired repeatedly in random directions, inflicting heavy casualties." Now you could say that the people who write books or translate books don't have a grasp of the english language, but is it not sensible that because something is a commonly accepted term, it is a proper usage in the english language?
The only way "fire" would not be correct is if you are writing a period piece where you attempt to speak more in a historical context, and even then it's up to the author whether to use modern terms or not.
The broad crescent tip bolt shows the inherent problem with scale armor, especially in this configuration where the scales are only fastened at the top. It looks like scales, but when an incoming blow hits the scale, it naturally glances off.....right into the crack between the scale and the one next to it. Force is essentially redirected exactly where you don't want it to go. The pointier tips impacted hard enough to bite into the scale itself, which was in some ways counterproductive. A spear or sword thrust would behave more like the broad blade tip.
3:45 DID YOU SEE THE ANT!?
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Crossbows would historically have been used from a much longer range than this, right? And therefore have a lower velocity and impact when it actually hits the armor.
I'm not sure about crossbows but longbows were actually used at a fairly close range, or more precisely mostly used at a rather short range. At least that seems to be what Mike Loades believes (and supports with some tests and arguments based on better penetration as well as pretty much all illuminations showing archers shooting forward rather than at an angle). Also almost everyone would wear a helmet, many people would not wear quality armour, so you are more likely to do more damage shooting them from the front rather than from above. But given that crossbows take much longer to reload, they might have been used a bit differently.
Yes, though the difference in penetration is not as siginificant as one might expect, Tod has tested this. Either way, the armor clearly worked not great but still decently, a lot of these shots would have done absolutely nothing and keep in mind that this is a pretty high end crossbow for the medieval times. A lighter one would do even less and would probably have to slide in between the scales to cause any damage at all. The fact that bolts can slide in between is quite a weak point of the armor though since they would most definetly cause fatality.
When I made my own scale armor, I made the scales long enough so there is no gaps like in this armor you tested. Also convexed them only enough to follow human shape. Too convexed scales, like those in that armor you tested, would only serve to guide piercing hits to between scales.
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This video is iterestingly what peeked arrow made at all , thanks !
no non-fantasy armour is good against everything. Bullets destroy most metal armour and are stopped at least mostly by modern armour. BUT modern armour tends to be vulnerable to thrust and slash attacks from bladed weapons and offers very little protection from bludgeoning. I guess that it is just a matter of having the right armour for the weapons you are facing.
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Iirc there was a period where metal armour was more likely to be able to stop a gun shot.
Oda Nobunaga was supposedly knock on his ass by two shots from an assassin with an arquebus. He got up and, being Oda Nobunaga, had the would-be assassin painfully executed.
It was probably Nobunaga being able to afford a good quality set of armour and the fact that the arquebus had a smooth bore, making accurate shots difficult.
or the fact that the black powder did not fire a ball as quickly as gunpowder does. If a bullet or ball was on an angle it could also glance off. It is possible to have steel armour which is bullet proof but it becomes too heavy to wear against later firearms.
bullets penetrate with raw force, while blades/arrows/bolts use sharpness to rip through, so bullets are more effective vs solid armor while blades/arrows/bolts are more effective vs soft armor
Damn not only are you a medieval badass. You have a good collection of firearms especially that vector.
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i like the cloud of rust that pops up after ever hit
Skall, which do you think would be more protective, scale armour(e.g. Lorica) or coat of plate?
Coat of plates all the way, boi
seedFan85 Not Skall, but probably a coat of plates. This video clearly demonstrated the dangers interest in wearing scale armor where the scales aren't fixed to each other.
seedFan85 coat of plates caues the plates are riveted to the inside of lether/cloth and they ovelap in a way that makes it impossible for a blade or a bolt to slip between the plates
If were talking about Lorica plumata though, it's scales attached to a mail backing.
So, if the slipping between the plates/ scales is the problem, would the type 3, 4 or 5 scales (mentioned in the previous video) still be significantly worse than the coat of plates?
Definitely have to commend your marksmanship--great consistency in your aim!
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A full double over overlap (like you find on a classic shingle or tiled roof) would also help keep pointy thins from going through the cracks, as the entire crack is then cover by either the row of scales above or below a given row. I would be interested it how it would have done spear or sword thrusts.
Skall, I just love the sound of your percussion pistol. I don't know why, but that satisfying PEOWMN makes my kokoro doki-doki.
It also makes me speak weeaboo.
The wide point actually did slice through the bottom of one of the scales and made it between the two behind it.
Showing off the power of guns? I love it.
hi Skal wanted to mention at the 3:30 point the broad head bolt actually sliced a scale, not simply passed between by the looks of it
Looks like the broadhead bolt actually cut through the edge of one of the scales, and I think the bolts were able to readily slip between the scales because of the slight rearward tilt of the armor, allowing them to skate off of one scale and up under the one above, going right into backing leather.
Put that armour on a skeleton king and you'll have the perfect decoration for your Halloween GURPS session.
I like how they went fullf Demolition Ranch at the end
That broad tip actually cut the scale above the one it skipped off of. Pretty freaking scary.
I've seen illustrations of an arrangement of scales in which the scales in a row overlapped each other and were attached to the backing along the top and one side. The neighboring scales protected the side attachments, and the overlap from the upper row protected the top attachments.
That arrangement would minimize the chances of a bolt or arrow getting between the scales. It also wouldn't be as flexible.
5:47 love the sound it produces
After buying that exact style of scale armor and watching this video I can say that I should avoid crossbows in medieval reenactments.
I guess the wider tipped bolt’s ability to tend to separate the scales apart is why it was able to do so much damage, interesting
Surprisingly good results. Makes me think that with a better design (100% overlap to prevent pass-through), and 1mm thick modern shock resistant steel (600 hbw, at least 4 times as strong as what is shown here), it would be possible to stop even modern .22lr cci velocitor out of a 24" bolt action.
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A cinematographic advice:
If you have a spare camera capable of slo motion, you should fire your shooting angle(correction: shoot your firing angle, messed that up...) . It is always fun to see the bullet/bolt fly out of the weapon
Not exactly too sure whats different and maybe its just me but... iv been enjoying your content a lot more these past 2 weeks
Historically scale armours were sometimes worn over a mail. In such configuration, it probably offered almost as good protection as plate armour.
Some of these hits surprised me, what a fun video
You can modify cameras with exposed microphones by adding a layer of foam padding to block that wind hombre 👌
Wow the crossbow tests were awesome with some unexpected results. Especially the broad-head one really surprised me. But no hammer/mace tests... I mean come on, some mace smashes would have produced very entertaining results imo.
Fairly new to the channel...and I'm pleasantly surprised to see the various modern firearms Skall and Cara have. Kriss vektor in 9mm, .223 bolt gun, and of course a pump action 12 ga. I know its not their thing or what the channel is about, but I'd love to see a range day video...
Just having a wide open area to go out shooting like that...looks so fun. I envy you. xD
I imagine the reason the crescent-shaped bolt did so well at 3:00 was due to scales being somewhat curved. Watching closely, it is rotating (expected) and as it hit the scales - it sort of slid on them into the gap in-between. I bet adjusted design of the scales would prevent such glaring problem. I wonder if that was one of the issues the prevented scale armour from being as widespread later on. Even if tie every scale ala lamellar armor - the gaps between the scales would still be an issue. While the cost of production is not that cheap either.
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One small issue I think about this testing is the angle at which the armor is sitting. Perhaps it’s negligible, but I would think the reclined angle at which the armor is sitting would help with penetration as noted in the last video. Maybe I’m just crazy though.
Those older pistols make amazing sounds