I can't believe it a job HubNut started and finished on the same day without having to wait for some parts he didn't know were needed until he started the job, are things starting to go right !.
I remember being a passenger in the back of a 2CV when I was very young and being told to put my feet on either side of the hole in the floor. Good times..
I can remember my dad's first car with seat belts fitted. That was a Triumph Herald in 1959. That was novelty enough, but nobody gave a thought to the poor so and so's in the back. In fact I remember buying rear belts to fit to the wife's Montego 1.6 in 1988. It took a long time for them to be compulsory didn't it. My Dyane never had any rear seat belts of course ! Good job done Mr HN !
Safety is paramount with children and the best safety feature in any car is the hub nut behind the wheel.I can tell from your videos you are a safe and courteous driver.
I removed the back seat from my 2CV to move into my first apartment and used it as a sofa for quite a while after the car was wrecked in an accident. Kind of wish I still had it, 32 years later. The car too, actually.
Completely dumbfounded by the rear door removal! (I work as a mechanic at a Mercedes dealer where nothing is simple) Glad to see you seeming chirpier again and spoiling us with many videos, all the best and thank you! Also a t-shirt with “make this so” and a picture of U.S.S. Elly would confuse Star Trek fans :-P
I think you've got the balance just about right with the safety. Fitting the rear lap belts is a sensible and reasonable precaution, but as you say if you worry too much about safety, you'd never go anywhere in an old car, and that would not be good.
Nice to see a job started and finished in one vid. no real problems well done. I think This is a good compramise to the safety concerns. The kisds will be safe and they can enjoy the adventure with Elly.
Just watched this, as my 2CV purchased on Wednesday needs rear belts. Now I know how! I was amazed by to see how easy to is to remove rear doors (I know bonnet and boot are similar). Amazing! I expect there are quite a few more 2CV tricks and tips out there to discover. Such a brilliant little car love mine already
I covered many miles as a passenger in a a Ford 10cwt van sitting on a wooden box, also learnt drive in it and the examiner, on my driving test, sat on the same wooden box that was 1958. Construction and use was unheard of, happy days !
I agree with you Ian, take precautions but life is for living and having fun. When I was a kid mum and dad took my two sisters and I miles in the back of his 7cwt van sitting on cushions, we even went on holiday in it and we all made it to good years.
Cracking tinkering video as always, I remember when cars were simple things and easy enough to take apart and put together... Seat belts look good and work well the colour scheme of Elly.
Those red lap belts are the same ones I put in my Watsonian Sidecar, a decade ago! Held the kids in just fine. Note, kids and sidecars were used together in the line above...also used to take a kid to pre-school in an old studebaker, tied the kid seat in, car never had seatbelts...she survived... Didn't have a sidecar back then...
Mr HubNut , the Welsh answer to Scotty Kilmer . Like the way you just slide up and away with the rear door . What a very easy car to maintain . I’m seriously thinking of acquiring one , must be my impending old age .
"One for the ladies with exceedingly bad taste and poor eyesight" I can see that backfiring on you when Miss HubNut sees this. Glad the threads cleaned up OK, not many people have a selection of UNF taps at their disposal.
Are those bolts UNF? I'd have expected some odd metric thread in a 2CV! I do seem to remember that the seat mounting bolts in my parents' Mitsubishi L300 are some bonkers JIS fine thread and nearly impossible to find in Europe. The previous owner had the two rear bench seats out most of the time and only tacked them in place with a handfull of bolts when he sold the car. It took us a while to realise the others were missing and a lot longer to find them behind the flap that holds the jack and toolkit.
My father in law used to have a Austin Cambridge back in the 70,s and had 2 adults and 5 kids in it plus 2 dogs all unrestrained and a full roof rack, ahhh Health and safety gone out the window...😀😀
I have 6 children and all six used to be crammed in the back seat of a Granada if we didn't want to use two cars to go anywhere as a family, that caused mayhem as to who went with whom, they would argue and fight for who wanted to go in the Granada or the wife's Capri. Later upgraded or is that downgraded to a Land Rover 12 seat Station Wagon, that meant the In laws could join us to help with child control.
@@glennpowell3444 Rarely got to drive her Capri, except to service it or fill it with fuel and wash it. She often borrowed my Granada though, when her Capri had an empty tank, an hint for me to fill it. The Granny was only normally taken out of the garage for days out and holidays. The Taxi was used as a runabout when not working.
The only time I was in a car that full it was a lovely green MK2 Escort, something like five kids in the rear, the smallest stretched out on the parcel shelf. It was only a three-minute trip on a farm though, no public roads involved and little more than pedestrian speeds. Not quite sure when that was but I'd say late 90s. The Escort was scrapped around the year 2000 because no one wanted to buy it, even though it was still in good nick.
@@G6PBS My 'bucket list' includes getting a list of all Land Rover accessories. I'm aware the list includes: Doors (one or 2-part), roof, heater, welder, capstan, windscreen wipers.... So if you can help me out on that, I'd appreciate it :)
Good one Ian my dad was a hgv driver for 40 years and i used to go with him when I was in my early teens and at the time he had a K reg ERF with no seat belts
Your comment about whether an old car is right for you was great... there are too many folks willing to make our lives a "cotton wool" environment... thank you for your sense
Create your own tap by running a disc cutter groove down the length of a suitable spare bolt then run it through the nut/hole.A bit of lube as well works every time.
Sounds like there needs to be a Hubnut 2022 calendar with Ian in various poses that is just for the ladies............... If you are ever feeling like a bit of a pick-me-up there is a wonderful video on TH-cam of some excellent rear wiper action featuring a Mk1 Chevette Estate
i remember going with Dad to the citroen dealer in 1987 to buy a BX estate, the showroom always had a 2cv, Visa, BX and spaceship CX Gti, i was hooked and astonished that the same company that made the 2cv could produce the CX, but liked them all
Well done, Ian. Glad to see safety being addressed. I'm rather surprised that Ellie does not have upper belt mountings built in. In my 1969 Acadian, rear belts were an option, and the dealer sold shoulder belts. The mounting points were part of the design engineering.
The 2CV was never engineered for three-point rear belts. As far as I'm aware, nor were the vans. In fact some of the 2CV vans weren't even engineered for three-point front belts. (point of order, Acadiane was introduced in 1978).
Wow! Somebody had their Weetabix ! Very Chirpy and Philosophical indeed, and even some background music ! Not sure Miss Hub Nut would approve of the "one for the Ladies" call though ???
2CV's were indeed good for filming. The older Sister of a friend of mine had a Dolly, by virtue of the fact her Husband got one for use as a camera dolly for filming from the back of. He commented at the time how they had taken off the roof and doors to mount a film camera in the back. The film in question is "Cresta Run" (1990) and the running scenes on Blackpool sea front were filmed from the rear of a 2CV. I'm in it as an extra for a split second.
I once came close to owning a 2cv, but ended up with another car instead. Your videos show me what I would have missed...... I am sure it would have been a great deal of fun.
Certainly an emotive issue but you are right where is the fun. The kids will love the difference of travelling in the 2CV and probably see far more than they will in modern high belted for side impact cars.
Used to go in the back of my uncles , roof open in winter to look at the Diwhali lights on Leicesters Belgrave Road , can't remember if it had rear belts or not .
Wonderfully simple car to work on, imagine if cars were still this straight forward... if only 😄 , I think modern cars can be very dangerous because so many are lulled into a very false sense of security and when they crash them I think it’s often more horrific due to the lack of preparation for the unexpected, In an older car as you mention you’re more aware of what’s going on around you, and most likely to not end up in a situation in the first place.
The way 2cv's are built it would be safer to open the door and dive out before the crash, Having said that Roger Moore put it through its paces and lived to tell the tale, Keep up the great work !
My parents had for a while ,and Austin princess limo (sort of a town mayor cheap rolls Royce) with a glass division in it. So my brother and myself are playing about in the back,not listening to mum and dad asking us to sit still😎. My dad stood on the brakes and sent my brother and myself headlong into the division😲 We soon sat back on The seat,rubbed our heads and didn't fidget about, all the drive home.
What a great instructional video on seatbelt fitting for Ellie and other 2 CV's. I don't think that there is a problem with carrying children in a great classic car at all. Keep up with the good videos & content.
Funny, here in the US rear 3 point seatbelts were not required until 1987-88, not sure. Lap belts were required here in the late 60's, we always had them, and wore them as children, since my mother and her family were in a terrible accident in the 50's which almost killed her mother. Statistics state most accidents happen less than one mile from home, so one has to be careful. And when I was younger, when not sitting in a proper seat, we road in the back of our station wagon (estate for you in the UK 🇬🇧) in the cargo area, no seat belts, because five children in a six passenger wagon meant the back area to one's self! Same goes for riding in the back of a pickup, still do it today when I need a ride, like riding in a convertible, except not as safe. Still here however, and I do buckle up properly! Job well done!
@@dizzy2020 wrap up in bubble wrap, live in a nuclear bunker, walking down the garden might be considered a risk , I think Ian is making very sensible decisions.
If you don't have the write size tap find a bolt that fits and grind in a gruve down the its length and use that. Its very cheap and works just as well.
Neither my Mini nor either of my Triumphs (the 2500S and Stag) have rear belts and my kids - now in their mid-late teens - think they're brilliant. Their friends aren't so happy about it when they travel back there, though. One recent trip to see my Mother, I drove the 2500S over the winding bits with a little more effervescence than usual and my then 18-year-old daughter was laughing at my 15-year-old daughter sliding from one side of the rear seat to the other....and SHE was laughing while trying to figure out a way to stay on one side through the corners as the "Oh Jesus!" handles weren't helping her much in her efforts to stay put either. I've also had to do a panic stop in that car when a campervan did an unexpected U-turn right in front of me and although her hands hit the back of my seat, my youngest didn't hurt herself or cause me any issues trying to get out of his way. I've been more concerned about the Stag's lack of belts because of where someone might end up in a roll-over scenario, but again, one does not deliberately go out to try these things. I too think it is better to drive the old cars defensively than attempt to retrofit them with gizmos that deal with every conceivable prang, but a couple of seat belts aren't a biggie, but would be about as far as I went. Great video though, Ian. I'm loving the 2CV more and more as I see all the little quirks she has and the ease of doing things with the car.....and just caught myself beginning to think of how I could get hold of one! Strange how a car grows on you, isn't it?
Back in the day, the top mount was easy. You drilled through the B or C pillar , then a tubular nut went from the outside with the top mount bolted from the inside. From the outside it looked like a lug nut cover. Whether such a thing would survive an accident I don’t know.
One possible solution to the lap belt issue: if the child is young enough to fit into a car seat which needs to be strapped in to the seat, and then the child is strapped to the car seat separately, the argument of lap belt vs 3 point belt is a lot easier! Unfortunately that only works for really small kids
I had quite a lot of friends who were taken to and from school in 2CVs in the eighties and early nineties, when other cars were also a lot less safe, no abs, traction control or other modern safety features. The roads in general are safer now than when the 2CV was a current model and 'just' a cheap car. So is it a massive problem nowadays when you recognise the limitations of an older car, probably not but if you look after it and keep good tyres on, it's probably fine like it always was.
Cable ties, standard issue in any HubNut car. 😂 My dad's 2CV4 was the first car I was in back in the early 1970s (well maybe also in my grandmother's DAF 55, can't tell), we've probably never had any seat belts in them as it was a 1970 car and seat belts weren't mandatory at the time. Later he drove a 1974 Datsun 140J, which only had lap belts in front, though I can remember there was a sign "FASTEN SEAT BELTS" (just a sign, no warning light like a Volvo). But no seat belts in the rear, can't remember I have been in a car which had them when I wasn't old enough to take the wheel myself.
As the Rover is going, perhaps a Citroen C4 Picasso? Poverty spec models are very cheap and they're brilliantly comfortable and practical. You could even get one with the semi-auto EGS gearbox...
You need the rear belts for all the stunt work and horsepower. After all Elly is a ‘Bond’ car and not many of us can make the claim we drive one these days.😀
Hi Ian that was a nice and easy job and a job well done,and so easy to work on, I think that now you have fitted lap belts you can get a kit to convert them in to a full 4 harness that goes over both shoulder's and the lap belt threads through it, I think they was called a h harness, don't know if that's any help to you.but at least what you have done is better than nothing,best wishes to you all.
Instructions taken out of box and derisively thrown back in. Love it! Very “Y” chromosome. Elly is a flat pack car. Are doors a legal requirement on the roads? You can always cut a wee notch in a correct sized bolt to make a thread chaser. You knew that didn’t you?! I’ll get my coat. 😉
@@robinwells8879 I was also taught to use liquid soap as a lubricant. Laser cutting introduces a lot of additional stress into the perspex and increases the tendency to crack. Using alcohol-based cleaners aggravates that even more. Cutting narrow strips of thicker perspex (especially 8 mm and up) is pretty bad, my 8 mm wide test strips turned into bananas.
Well done, we survived childhood with just lap belts, not crashing is always the goal. I was just wondering with the open slats in the unit, to cut down wind chill factor, would it be a good idea to hang up some clear plastic "Bistro Blinds"? Cheers Colin
I own a VW Thing, and the door removal is very similar and sometimes I drive around with the doors off. However though, the front and rear doors are the same, the alignment of the door catches is not the same so it's easy to fit the door in the wrong place Good comparison about using motorcycle wits when driving, like Elly, the Thing has no safety features, but it's simplicity is its charm
Ian you're such a legend making sure the kids can ride and explore in Elly, a real gent. What's the music in the time-lapse section ? it reminds me of Jack Hargreaves 'old country'
Top tip. If you fit the seatbelts with the buckle on the inner wing, if the kids jump out and don’t notice the belt fall out the door, you wont get it round your rear wheel and rip the inner wing out. (Can credit Daras for that tip).
At last Ian, someone taking the time to show how to remove doors , panels etc off a 2CV. Most videos start with the panels already removed. Being new to 2cv ownership I would love to see a film of you removing all the panels , bonnet ,wings doors etc because I keep thinking there must be a catch, it surely can't be that easy. I dare not ask the question on the 2cv forums for fear of abuse and ridicule because the members all seem to have left the womb knowing everything there is to know about 2CV's and god help you if you ask a 'nooby ' question. Come on Ian , make that film with Mrs Hubnut to teach/ show us how easy it should be and how brilliant the 2cv is
I just watched a video of a man showing how easy it is to get into his car so he could restrain occupants of the back seat and just happens to have some random cable ties at the ready there already. Not saying anything. But, if a pair of handcuffs were to be found next I'd not be surprised. ;)
Aww there was something very warming about Ian saying "I'd never fitted them because I never needed to carry passengers before" and knowing that now he does. Certainly the Hublets seem genuinely interested which is lovely. Are you implying though that Miss Hubnut has bad taste and poor vision?
Another great video. There is no doubt a never ending arguement for and against safety of classics for passengers...... which I think you've done your very best to address...... Loved the brief music...... can I ask what it was?? Or will that get you a copyright hit? :o :(
6 years old in the front seat of a Vauxhall Vicount, no seat belt and plastic steering wheel that stuck on the dashboard. The only no no ....was playing with the electric Windows . And the smell of the leather made me car sick. Different times.
Hi Ian if you’d have put the buckle on the outside then it would make it easier to get in and out and no chances of seatbelt catching in the door? Just a thought thanks markUK
Note for future: A natural bristle toothbrush (or small wire bottle-brush) and some cellulose thinners (often used as nail varnish remover) will quickly deal with paint filled threads, assuming the paint is an old cellulose based one. Otherwise a product such as Nitromors paint stripper can be used (remember to wear goggles).
your right about safety,, once you ensure the kids dont fall out and you drive carefully , ,the rest of safety is out of your hands, get the kids in the car and hit the moderate so slow roads :)
It was funny when you simply lifted that rear door. In fact, a 2CV is very not Citroen in terms of reachability and how to tackle all sorts of problems. Is that the reason why that was compensated with all the other Citroens from the classic line-up? Who knows. Really enjoyed it.
I can't believe it a job HubNut started and finished on the same day without having to wait for some parts he didn't know were needed until he started the job, are things starting to go right !.
You sound SO much chirpier working on Elly!
Four kids in the back of an Austin A30 van over the Horseshoe Pass. Now thats danger but we thought it was great!!!
'One for the ladies', nearly choked on my lunch!
😂😂
Harsh, it didn't look that bad!
The 2CV is a delightfully simple car, the removal of parts reminded me of your hill climb antics.
I remember being a passenger in the back of a 2CV when I was very young and being told to put my feet on either side of the hole in the floor. Good times..
Was Fred Flintstone driving ?
I can remember my dad's first car with seat belts fitted. That was a Triumph Herald in 1959. That was novelty enough, but nobody gave a thought to the poor so and so's in the back. In fact I remember buying rear belts to fit to the wife's Montego 1.6 in 1988. It took a long time for them to be compulsory didn't it. My Dyane never had any rear seat belts of course ! Good job done Mr HN !
Safety is paramount with children and the best safety feature in any car is the hub nut behind the wheel.I can tell from your videos you are a safe and courteous driver.
love the simplicity of the 2cv I bet ellie was laughing at you working on the rover thinking look at the simplicity he is missing
I removed the back seat from my 2CV to move into my first apartment and used it as a sofa for quite a while after the car was wrecked in an accident. Kind of wish I still had it, 32 years later. The car too, actually.
Completely dumbfounded by the rear door removal! (I work as a mechanic at a Mercedes dealer where nothing is simple) Glad to see you seeming chirpier again and spoiling us with many videos, all the best and thank you! Also a t-shirt with “make this so” and a picture of U.S.S. Elly would confuse Star Trek fans :-P
I think you've got the balance just about right with the safety. Fitting the rear lap belts is a sensible and reasonable precaution, but as you say if you worry too much about safety, you'd never go anywhere in an old car, and that would not be good.
Apparently just breathing is dangerous nowadays, try not doing that for long for safety and see how you feel !!!
‘One for the ladies’......You owe me a cup of coffee mate. I’ve just spat this one out!
Yup, made me chuckle too.
That comment cost me a mouthful of single malt!
What! All done in a jiffy! No dropped nuts or bolts? No cursing? Have you got a jab?
Love the 2CV!
Nice to see a job started and finished in one vid. no real problems well done. I think This is a good compramise to the safety concerns. The kisds will be safe and they can enjoy the adventure with Elly.
Just watched this, as my 2CV purchased on Wednesday needs rear belts. Now I know how!
I was amazed by to see how easy to is to remove rear doors (I know bonnet and boot are similar). Amazing! I expect there are quite a few more 2CV tricks and tips out there to discover. Such a brilliant little car love mine already
Ooh red seatbelts - just like a 1980s MG!
This small utilitarian French car never ceases to amaze me.
"So joyously simple" with a picture of you should be the next tee shirt
I covered many miles as a passenger in a a Ford 10cwt van sitting on a wooden box, also learnt drive in it and the examiner, on my driving test, sat on the same wooden box that was 1958. Construction and use was unheard of, happy days !
Wooden box ,luxury, metal milk crate for me!
I agree with you Ian, take precautions but life is for living and having fun. When I was a kid mum and dad took my two sisters and I miles in the back of his 7cwt van sitting on cushions, we even went on holiday in it and we all made it to good years.
This is perfect lockdown therapy to beat the January blues. Thanks Ian, Ed.
Cracking tinkering video as always, I remember when cars were simple things and easy enough to take apart and put together... Seat belts look good and work well the colour scheme of Elly.
Much much safer than when I was a youngster, like millions of others sat on mothers lap in the front !
Still here just 😯
Those red lap belts are the same ones I put in my Watsonian Sidecar, a decade ago! Held the kids in just fine.
Note, kids and sidecars were used together in the line above...also used to take a kid to pre-school in an old studebaker, tied the kid seat in, car never had seatbelts...she survived...
Didn't have a sidecar back then...
Mr HubNut , the Welsh answer to Scotty Kilmer . Like the way you just slide up and away with the rear door . What a very easy car to maintain . I’m seriously thinking of acquiring one , must be my impending old age .
"One for the ladies with exceedingly bad taste and poor eyesight" I can see that backfiring on you when Miss HubNut sees this.
Glad the threads cleaned up OK, not many people have a selection of UNF taps at their disposal.
Are those bolts UNF? I'd have expected some odd metric thread in a 2CV!
I do seem to remember that the seat mounting bolts in my parents' Mitsubishi L300 are some bonkers JIS fine thread and nearly impossible to find in Europe. The previous owner had the two rear bench seats out most of the time and only tacked them in place with a handfull of bolts when he sold the car. It took us a while to realise the others were missing and a lot longer to find them behind the flap that holds the jack and toolkit.
My father in law used to have a Austin Cambridge back in the 70,s and had 2 adults and 5 kids in it plus 2 dogs all unrestrained and a full roof rack, ahhh Health and safety gone out the window...😀😀
I remember a holiday where there were at least 12 of us in a Morris Oxford estate...
@@HubNut That made me laugh..ok how many people can you get in a Morris minor ?
I remember going on a school trip in a Rover SD1. 4 on the back seat and 2 crouched in the boot. Didn't think anything of it at the time...😁
Remember similar travelling to the swimming baths from a friends birthday party, one adult and 7 kids in a VW Scirocco! I got one of the boot 'seats'!
I have 6 children and all six used to be crammed in the back seat of a Granada if we didn't want to use two cars to go anywhere as a family, that caused mayhem as to who went with whom, they would argue and fight for who wanted to go in the Granada or the wife's Capri. Later upgraded or is that downgraded to a Land Rover 12 seat Station Wagon, that meant the In laws could join us to help with child control.
@@glennpowell3444 Rarely got to drive her Capri, except to service it or fill it with fuel and wash it. She often borrowed my Granada though, when her Capri had an empty tank, an hint for me to fill it. The Granny was only normally taken out of the garage for days out and holidays. The Taxi was used as a runabout when not working.
The only time I was in a car that full it was a lovely green MK2 Escort, something like five kids in the rear, the smallest stretched out on the parcel shelf. It was only a three-minute trip on a farm though, no public roads involved and little more than pedestrian speeds. Not quite sure when that was but I'd say late 90s. The Escort was scrapped around the year 2000 because no one wanted to buy it, even though it was still in good nick.
I never thought I'd enjoy watching a middle age man rodding Fred out in the back of his 2cv
my jaw physically dropped when you slid that door straight out in one smooth motion
The sign of a proper Land Rover - only the sliding action is less than 2 inches !
@@millomweb I'm a Series 2A owner, I concur :)
@@G6PBS My 'bucket list' includes getting a list of all Land Rover accessories. I'm aware the list includes: Doors (one or 2-part), roof, heater, welder, capstan, windscreen wipers....
So if you can help me out on that, I'd appreciate it :)
Good one Ian my dad was a hgv driver for 40 years and i used to go with him when I was in my early teens and at the time he had a K reg ERF with no seat belts
Your comment about whether an old car is right for you was great... there are too many folks willing to make our lives a "cotton wool" environment... thank you for your sense
Create your own tap by running a disc cutter groove down the length of a suitable spare bolt then run it through the nut/hole.A bit of lube as well works every time.
Another entertaining and informative vid, but I’ve got to say the quick-release hinges on the rear doors was the highlight for me 😀
Sounds like there needs to be a Hubnut 2022 calendar with Ian in various poses that is just for the ladies............... If you are ever feeling like a bit of a pick-me-up there is a wonderful video on TH-cam of some excellent rear wiper action featuring a Mk1 Chevette Estate
4:37 "brush for 'rodding out the thread'" - that one appears to be for left hand threads.
i remember going with Dad to the citroen dealer in 1987 to buy a BX estate, the showroom always had a 2cv, Visa, BX and spaceship CX Gti, i was hooked and astonished that the same company that made the 2cv could produce the CX, but liked them all
Well done, Ian. Glad to see safety being addressed. I'm rather surprised that Ellie does not have upper belt mountings built in. In my 1969 Acadian, rear belts were an option, and the dealer sold shoulder belts. The mounting points were part of the design engineering.
The 2CV was never engineered for three-point rear belts. As far as I'm aware, nor were the vans. In fact some of the 2CV vans weren't even engineered for three-point front belts. (point of order, Acadiane was introduced in 1978).
Wow! Somebody had their Weetabix ! Very Chirpy and Philosophical indeed, and even some background music ! Not sure Miss Hub Nut would approve of the "one for the Ladies" call though ???
Elly looking sporty lol, now you need the front belts to match, enjoyed the addition of music.hopefully we will see Elly in AG when lockdown is over
2CV's were indeed good for filming. The older Sister of a friend of mine had a Dolly, by virtue of the fact her Husband got one for use as a camera dolly for filming from the back of. He commented at the time how they had taken off the roof and doors to mount a film camera in the back. The film in question is "Cresta Run" (1990) and the running scenes on Blackpool sea front were filmed from the rear of a 2CV. I'm in it as an extra for a split second.
"One for the ladies", Brilliant , Do we have a new T-Shirt Ian !!! :D
I once came close to owning a 2cv, but ended up with another car instead.
Your videos show me what I would have missed...... I am sure it would have been a great deal of fun.
Certainly an emotive issue but you are right where is the fun. The kids will love the difference of travelling in the 2CV and probably see far more than they will in modern high belted for side impact cars.
Used to go in the back of my uncles , roof open in winter to look at the Diwhali lights on Leicesters Belgrave Road , can't remember if it had rear belts or not .
Ah, yes; the famous 2CV picnic seats! More cars should have them. Thanks Ian. 🙂👍
Absaloutly brilliant video Ian at least with a 2cv it's easy fixing on any part of it over modern cars were you need a mechanic
Wonderfully simple car to work on, imagine if cars were still this straight forward... if only 😄 , I think modern cars can be very dangerous because so many are lulled into a very false sense of security and when they crash them I think it’s often more horrific due to the lack of preparation for the unexpected, In an older car as you mention you’re more aware of what’s going on around you, and most likely to not end up in a situation in the first place.
HubNut brings a bit of Uno Turbo/Cinquecento Sporting style bling to Elly.
I love a red seatbelt as much as you love that car Ian 👍
The way 2cv's are built it would be safer to open the door and dive out before the crash,
Having said that Roger Moore put it through its paces and lived to tell the tale,
Keep up the great work !
Totally agree Ian you've done the right thing 😊
My parents had for a while ,and Austin princess limo (sort of a town mayor cheap rolls Royce) with a glass division in it.
So my brother and myself are playing about in the back,not listening to mum and dad asking us to sit still😎.
My dad stood on the brakes and sent my brother and myself headlong into the division😲
We soon sat back on The seat,rubbed our heads and didn't fidget about, all the drive home.
What a great instructional video on seatbelt fitting for Ellie and other 2 CV's. I don't think that there is a problem with carrying children in a great classic car at all. Keep up with the good videos & content.
Funny, here in the US rear 3 point seatbelts were not required until 1987-88, not sure. Lap belts were required here in the late 60's, we always had them, and wore them as children, since my mother and her family were in a terrible accident in the 50's which almost killed her mother.
Statistics state most accidents happen less than one mile from home, so one has to be careful.
And when I was younger, when not sitting in a proper seat, we road in the back of our station wagon (estate for you in the UK 🇬🇧) in the cargo area, no seat belts, because five children in a six passenger wagon meant the back area to one's self! Same goes for riding in the back of a pickup, still do it today when I need a ride, like riding in a convertible, except not as safe. Still here however, and I do buckle up properly!
Job well done!
Totally agree with you on safety , children need to be aware that there is a risk to everything , it’s sensibly managing it .
@@dizzy2020 wrap up in bubble wrap, live in a nuclear bunker, walking down the garden might be considered a risk , I think Ian is making very sensible decisions.
If you don't have the write size tap find a bolt that fits and grind in a gruve down the its length and use that. Its very cheap and works just as well.
Yes, was going to say the same thing.
Even in a minor accident you really want captive little hubnuts, the seat belts make sense.
Neither my Mini nor either of my Triumphs (the 2500S and Stag) have rear belts and my kids - now in their mid-late teens - think they're brilliant. Their friends aren't so happy about it when they travel back there, though. One recent trip to see my Mother, I drove the 2500S over the winding bits with a little more effervescence than usual and my then 18-year-old daughter was laughing at my 15-year-old daughter sliding from one side of the rear seat to the other....and SHE was laughing while trying to figure out a way to stay on one side through the corners as the "Oh Jesus!" handles weren't helping her much in her efforts to stay put either.
I've also had to do a panic stop in that car when a campervan did an unexpected U-turn right in front of me and although her hands hit the back of my seat, my youngest didn't hurt herself or cause me any issues trying to get out of his way. I've been more concerned about the Stag's lack of belts because of where someone might end up in a roll-over scenario, but again, one does not deliberately go out to try these things. I too think it is better to drive the old cars defensively than attempt to retrofit them with gizmos that deal with every conceivable prang, but a couple of seat belts aren't a biggie, but would be about as far as I went.
Great video though, Ian. I'm loving the 2CV more and more as I see all the little quirks she has and the ease of doing things with the car.....and just caught myself beginning to think of how I could get hold of one! Strange how a car grows on you, isn't it?
Back in the day, the top mount was easy. You drilled through the B or C pillar , then a tubular nut went from the outside with the top mount bolted from the inside. From the outside it looked like a lug nut cover. Whether such a thing would survive an accident I don’t know.
Felt decidedly seasick after all that camera waving at the start - almost as good as a ride in a 2 CV lol :) .
Liking the folky riff towards the end there
Good to see you working on the old thing again
A job that went smooth, makes a change for you pal, nice one. 👍👍🇬🇧🏴
One possible solution to the lap belt issue: if the child is young enough to fit into a car seat which needs to be strapped in to the seat, and then the child is strapped to the car seat separately, the argument of lap belt vs 3 point belt is a lot easier! Unfortunately that only works for really small kids
I had quite a lot of friends who were taken to and from school in 2CVs in the eighties and early nineties, when other cars were also a lot less safe, no abs, traction control or other modern safety features. The roads in general are safer now than when the 2CV was a current model and 'just' a cheap car. So is it a massive problem nowadays when you recognise the limitations of an older car, probably not but if you look after it and keep good tyres on, it's probably fine like it always was.
Very enjoyable watch, 2cv definitely on my bucket list to own. The red belts look great.
Quick blast of Dan Lebovitz. Hoorah!
Cable ties, standard issue in any HubNut car. 😂
My dad's 2CV4 was the first car I was in back in the early 1970s (well maybe also in my grandmother's DAF 55, can't tell), we've probably never had any seat belts in them as it was a 1970 car and seat belts weren't mandatory at the time. Later he drove a 1974 Datsun 140J, which only had lap belts in front, though I can remember there was a sign "FASTEN SEAT BELTS" (just a sign, no warning light like a Volvo). But no seat belts in the rear, can't remember I have been in a car which had them when I wasn't old enough to take the wheel myself.
As the Rover is going, perhaps a Citroen C4 Picasso? Poverty spec models are very cheap and they're brilliantly comfortable and practical. You could even get one with the semi-auto EGS gearbox...
You need the rear belts for all the stunt work and horsepower. After all Elly is a ‘Bond’ car and not many of us can make the claim we drive one these days.😀
Hi Ian that was a nice and easy job and a job well done,and so easy to work on, I think that now you have fitted lap belts you can get a kit to convert them in to a full 4 harness that goes over both shoulder's and the lap belt threads through it, I think they was called a h harness, don't know if that's any help to you.but at least what you have done is better than nothing,best wishes to you all.
Mrs Hubnut get him to tidy up that garage.
Simplicity is great when working on cars 🤓👍
Good work - if one is that concerned about safety then perhaps a 2CV is not the ideal vehicle but you certainly improved its rating
Instructions taken out of box and derisively thrown back in. Love it! Very “Y” chromosome.
Elly is a flat pack car. Are doors a legal requirement on the roads?
You can always cut a wee notch in a correct sized bolt to make a thread chaser. You knew that didn’t you?! I’ll get my coat. 😉
You can do the same to tap improvised threads into perspex, I learned yesterday.
Worth knowing. Perspex is rather difficult to machine and drill with its tendency to crack and star.
@@robinwells8879 I was also taught to use liquid soap as a lubricant.
Laser cutting introduces a lot of additional stress into the perspex and increases the tendency to crack. Using alcohol-based cleaners aggravates that even more. Cutting narrow strips of thicker perspex (especially 8 mm and up) is pretty bad, my 8 mm wide test strips turned into bananas.
Well that was more enjoyable than watching you work on Rita... For everyone I think!! I was getting worried for you...
Take a bolt cut a slot vertically down the side the bolt at an angle using a hacksaw and you have a simple thread chasing tool.
Well done, we survived childhood with just lap belts, not crashing is always the goal. I was just wondering with the open slats in the unit, to cut down wind chill factor, would it be a good idea to hang up some clear plastic "Bistro Blinds"? Cheers Colin
I own a VW Thing, and the door removal is very similar and sometimes I drive around with the doors off. However though, the front and rear doors are the same, the alignment of the door catches is not the same so it's easy to fit the door in the wrong place
Good comparison about using motorcycle wits when driving, like Elly, the Thing has no safety features, but it's simplicity is its charm
Ian you're such a legend making sure the kids can ride and explore in Elly, a real gent. What's the music in the time-lapse section ? it reminds me of Jack Hargreaves 'old country'
Top tip. If you fit the seatbelts with the buckle on the inner wing, if the kids jump out and don’t notice the belt fall out the door, you wont get it round your rear wheel and rip the inner wing out. (Can credit Daras for that tip).
I actually laughed out loud ,in these trying times it's a bonus thanks
Very swift door lifting action there Ian.
I love it when Hubnut gets Shakespearean.
Those seat belts look amazing 👏 in red. Health and safety gone mad! 😆
Back in the day us kids would sit in the unseated back of a work Kombi, and also return from the tip sitting in the now-empty trailer!
At last Ian, someone taking the time to show how to remove doors , panels etc off a 2CV. Most videos start with the panels already removed. Being new to 2cv ownership I would love to see a film of you removing all the panels , bonnet ,wings doors etc because I keep thinking there must be a catch, it surely can't be that easy. I dare not ask the question on the 2cv forums for fear of abuse and ridicule because the members all seem to have left the womb knowing everything there is to know about 2CV's and god help you if you ask a 'nooby ' question. Come on Ian , make that film with Mrs Hubnut to teach/ show us how easy it should be and how brilliant the 2cv is
Yes, the 2CV world can be annoyingly sarcastic at times. I will make a 'dismantle' video.
@@HubNut That would be fantastic Ian, look forward to it. Thank you
That job went so well.
I remember my dad having a Morris minor van, no seats in the back just cushions on the floor for us kids.
I used to sit in the middle of a bench seat in my old man's motor !
I just watched a video of a man showing how easy it is to get into his car so he could restrain occupants of the back seat and just happens to have some random cable ties at the ready there already. Not saying anything. But, if a pair of handcuffs were to be found next I'd not be surprised. ;)
Aww there was something very warming about Ian saying "I'd never fitted them because I never needed to carry passengers before" and knowing that now he does. Certainly the Hublets seem genuinely interested which is lovely.
Are you implying though that Miss Hubnut has bad taste and poor vision?
Careful with the music volume - that was a bit loud!
Still safer than travelling behind the back seats of a MK 1 Ford Cortina Estate which me and my twin sister had to do when we were 10 years old ;-)
Another great video.
There is no doubt a never ending arguement for and against safety of classics for passengers...... which I think you've done your very best to address......
Loved the brief music...... can I ask what it was?? Or will that get you a copyright hit? :o :(
6 years old in the front seat of a Vauxhall Vicount, no seat belt and plastic steering wheel that stuck on the dashboard.
The only no no ....was playing with the electric Windows . And the smell of the leather made me car sick.
Different times.
Hi Ian if you’d have put the buckle on the outside then it would make it easier to get in and out and no chances of seatbelt catching in the door? Just a thought thanks markUK
Note for future: A natural bristle toothbrush (or small wire bottle-brush) and some cellulose thinners (often used as nail varnish remover) will quickly deal with paint filled threads, assuming the paint is an old cellulose based one. Otherwise a product such as Nitromors paint stripper can be used (remember to wear goggles).
your right about safety,, once you ensure the kids dont fall out and you drive carefully , ,the rest of safety is out of your hands, get the kids in the car and hit the moderate so slow roads :)
The 2cv is like a meccano car 👍
It was funny when you simply lifted that rear door. In fact, a 2CV is very not Citroen in terms of reachability and how to tackle all sorts of problems. Is that the reason why that was compensated with all the other Citroens from the classic line-up? Who knows.
Really enjoyed it.