I just drove 12.3.4 today and it literally went door to door- from driveway to driveway both locations new to me and 30 miles away then to home - with zero interventions. Truly amazing experience. The rate of improvement is exponential.
Many other 12.3.4 videos on TH-cam tell a different story: Still many mistakes and goofs, requiring human intervention. Do you know what exponential means? improvement of v12 is certainly not that.
@@wildlifeonwheels4236 If I see *twenty* high-res videos on TH-cam that show 12.3.x making all sorts of mistakes, that is very credible evidence. FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant, nothing more. Full autonomy is a long ways off.
@@DerekDavis213having driven FSD since version 11 I can confidently say that it's made strides in improvement. Yes it makes mistakes, but those mistakes are becoming something that even other humans make, not simply just robotic mistakes. be aware that TH-camrs who drive around just to record the mistakes it makes are having to drive a heck of a lot longer to find enough mistakes to compile into a video. V11 had a lot of little mistakes it would make that would really annoy me, about 10 or 15 things it would consistently mess up. V12 has only two. One is the hard braking at yellow lights, it's consistently done that for me if it turns yellow at the right time, and two is when the speed limit goes down for some reason the car just doesn't want to slow down. Other than that, it drives exponentially better as Chris said, and any Tesla driver who's experienced fsd before the v12 release can attest to that.
@@variablenine You have obviously not watched the *many* videos on TH-cam that are testing FSD 12.3.3 and 12.3.4. On any mildly challenging drive more than 15 minutes, there will be human interventions. FSD is nowhere even close to full autonomy. FSD is nowhere even close to a human driver. Especially in strange or unfamiliar conditions on the road.
Biggest change for me in 12.3.4 is that it’s the first version 12 that works on my legacy 2017 MS and my wife’s legacy 2018 MX. Works great, but we also notice the very hard stops for yellow lights.
I really like how you compare the drive to previous drives. Could be really cool to see a splitscreen comparison driving the exact same drive you had in an old video and see how different it is with the new version.
I've been using FSD Supervised for 3 days now just got my 2024 Model 3 (first Tesla) last saturday, but have been following your videos since the beginning of Beta. I genuinely feel so comfortable with it driving me around, so much so that I set it to assertive after the first day! Don't worry though I am still being safe and making sure it doesn't do anything it shouldn't, like drive me into a deep pothole while trying to drive around a car blocking my lane. I have had no other interventions with it other than me wanting to take a specific route.
21:40 is a move I totally would have done. I like to get into the front of the turn lane when I can so other people behind me can get there as well and we can get as many people to go through on the green arrow as possible. I had no problem with that.
23:53 You totally blew through a great interaction without noticing. White car coming out of parking garage on right _too fast, not seeing you._ FSD sees them and slows as that car sees you at last moment and does a hard stop. FSD speeds back up again.
Yesterday was my first 12.3.4 drive and it definitely is not afraid to make hard stops at yellows. It is noticeably more apt to make a hard stop at a yellow than 12.3.3 which would have gone under in many cases. 12.3.4 also stopped IN an intersection once: making a left on a yellow and the car in front was going too slow so it decided to stop with maybe 3/4 of the car in front of the stop line. Had to push it through. Technically it could have probably stayed there and (as long as no one is riding your tail) the hard stops at yellows are OK too. So I'm nit picking. Kinda have to with 12.3.x because it's so good!
Try 12.3.4 in a busy big city, during morning or afternoon rush hour. There will be many human interventions. FSD cannot be trusted to drive the car without 100 percent human supervision.
My issue with the hard stops is that there is absolutely no reaction time for you as a driver. The moment that light turns yellow it slams the brakes before you have any time to react and you just gotta pray that the person behind you is aware that you just went from 35 mph to 0 in 2 seconds
@@DerekDavis213 I absolutely agree, it's kinda weird for me because the first two stop lights I've gone to with v12 it stopped really hard, and I don't know if it's because I updated to 12.3.4 but it just doesn't seem to do that anymore so maybe I just got really unlucky. From a legal standpoint the person behind you should have enough space to stop in front of them in case the person in front of them slams on the brakes for a stoplight or obstacle or otherwise. It's not fun getting rear ended but ultimately you wouldn't be at fault if it happened in this scenario
I always like it when you pass the State Theater in Ann Arbor. I traveled to Ann Arbor when "Revenge of the Electric Car" came out, just to see its debut. The director, Chris Payne, was there, and he stayed after the movie to answer questions from the audience.
Hey DT, could you PLEASE put together a 10 minute or so compilation showing the highlights of each major version of FSD since back from version 9 with the colored dots representing road lines and stuff? I think a video like that would go viral and would help show people the insanely amazing progress made in only 3 years. i received FSD In october 2021, and i am blown away by the progress made in V12 and by V14, i would bet any amount of money that it will be able to outperform humans in any driving task
Maybe even better is if you could show the mistakes that the old versions would make, compared to how V12 performs now. Tesla is changing the world and will be integral to saving hundreds of thousands of lives on the road with this technology, but the average person only reads the anti-Tesla negative headlines about Elon and FSD, and they don't understand the incredible progress made so far!! Thanks Mr. Dirty!
My one intriguing V12.3.4 experience: one day a school bus ahead of me in my residential street going slowly and making left turn. My MY trying to getting pass the bus. It seems to think it’s ok to pass a slow bus. But it’s not ok. The bus was just moving through residential street accordingly. I took over the drive.
It's legally correct but also uncommon, such that there's a decent chance of being rear-ended. Such are the unfortunate circumstances that FSD must operate in, due to the problem of humans on the road.
23:57 For those of us without FSD, it’s things like this that maybe FSD drivers overlook, but intrigue me the most. FSD ‘thought’ that maybe the white suv was going to pull in front of you without stopping, but quickly, almost instantly, noticed it was going to stop and ‘decided’ to proceed. Indecision is the absolute worst. Glad to see it progressing so fast
well I think it's better to slow down if you are not sure the car will not stop. I would probably do exactly the same. I would not call it indecisiveness in this case, it actually was careful and once the car stopped, it continued accelerating
@@lukasdolezal8245 that’s exactly my point. It was not indecisive. It was precautious but then almost instantly made the decision to proceed once it saw the suv had stopped. Previous iterations, once it had chosen to be cautious, took way to long to decide it was safe to proceed
This is even a bit more extreme than real world imo. Yes they're actual streets and traffic, but no one's going to do circles in a downtown for testing lol. A to B drives are mostly going to be no issue
@@DirtyTeslaFor real world driving where I live barely have to do anything. The traffic is manageable rarely people walking in the road and all the unprotected lefts have great visibility. Haven't been "forced" to disengage in about two weeks but car is sometimes going too slow or not pulling out fast enough. Heavily prefer the car be safe of course. Once tesla gets more comfortable with how good the car is I'm sure they will lessen the certainty required to make maneuvers
@@DirtyTesla this path may have been a challenge to FSD, but it is not anything out of the ordinary and no human that regularly drives in a big city (or even a city the size of this one) would think twice about having to drive this route. The car still made two inexcusable (for a computer) mistakes. Running a red light and not properly yielding the right of way at a 4 way stop to a car that was there first. You can see it do its full stop in the corner window before your car stopped. Those two failures highlight a different issue with FSD which is that having public testers is just not good, no matter how well intentioned they are. Don't get me wrong, you are among the better FSD TH-camrs when it comes to this, but you weren't paying close enough attention and didn't intervene when you should have. You weren't too sure about the light and didn't realise the car at the 4 way stop had the right of way. Babysitting an automated driving system is hard work, I would say harder than actually driving yourself and would best be left to trained engineers that work hand in hand with the company to resolve issues instead of random customers reporting issues into the void. But alas, that ship has sailed a long time ago with Tesla.
In poor weather and when FSD said FSD may be degraded, the car will miss freeway entrances and exit. I just finished a 3000 miles cross country run in V12.3.3 and V12.3.4. I may say the current version is just delightful 👍
Yes, hard stops for yellow are a problem. I ended up 5 ft into the intersection once on 12.3.3. I won’t let that happen again, I’ll just push through if safe.
Hey just got my new Model Y perf and tried this fsd version out it’s beyond its beyond awesome here in Canada 🇨🇦 like I’m blown away beyond great!!!! FSD IS REALITY ITS THE TRUTH!! No 🧢 ps my first time trying fsd
I agree, but irl I did not see the red until I was half way through the intersection, so I didn't know if we were already in the intersection or not when it turned red. I actually looked through the roof to see it as we went under lol
Hard stop at yellow: the stop-line was too far back. A softer stop is more important that stopping at the line. If it went through that may have been a bit too late (turned red before getting through), so a more gentle stop that goes passed the stop-line but not into the intersection would probably have been best.
11:50 There was a lot going on there. Both cars were waiting for you to to go but there was also a pedestrian approaching the intersection. The pedestrian noticed you were congesting traffic and did a very intentional slow down very early to indicate his yeilding to you. FSD immediately took the indication and made the turn.
Mine has forgotten a speed limit sign... It's only been in that same place for more than 10 years... It's right where the old highway code kicks back in though; might be the problem
We had one of those "brown's cows" pedestrian crossings right in the middle in a locsl suburb. You could go nuts waiting minutes for a small break! Thankfully, now they've installed a set of lights...
Bro, the fsd handle that stop at the stop sign with the blue car perfectly. Before that stop, there was a cop parked on your right that was about to pull out. Also the blue car was driving fast and you should wait until the next car stop before you go. Well done @tesla🙏🏽fsd 12.3.4🔥
Version .4 is again a big improvement. Since Tesla is no longer "compute limited", I guess they can go faster with tests and implementations and we're seeing the results. Exciting.
21:17 well the systems are indeed disconnected. The alarm doesn't go towards FSD, only the emergency manovre makes it disengage. The systems were never actually communicating, and the emergency breaking system is still build with the V11 stack, which also runs the visualizations. V12 only gets a copy of the camera feeds and a rudimentary map view and outputs the control it wants to make.
I think Ann Arbor needs to invest in some stop lights, since a few intersection seem they could use it. Regarding the intersections with "no turn right on red" I had one yesterday in Denver getting onto I-225 with a sign and it turned onto it when it was red. I am still on 12.3.3, so hopefully see the 12.3.4 soon on my Model Y.
Hey Chris. I also had sudden stop on yellow yesterday. Didn't expect it, stuff was flying in the trunk. Very abrupt. V11 and first V12 didn't do that. I think 12.3.4 clearly has some issues with yellow lights at least on secondary roads. Did go through some yellow stuff on a faster roads just as before. Speed control is what annoys me, even on non-automatic settings it tends to go under speed limit unless I give it a boost then it kind of follow the limit. Cornering is also an issue, getting too close to curb on V12 constantly. Had to disengage few times to prevent going over the curb. No reaction to dips still, in our area we have ton of them, thus constant disengagements. Hope something will improve between V16 and V21. Perhaps, they will mark it "beta" again?
That pedestrian traffic would drive me insane 😑 I still have no trouble finding problems for FSD here, unfortunately, and 12.3.4 changed absolutely nothing for me, but the performance in your area is incredible. Still blows my mind how good it is at negotiating with other traffic. I would have expected that to be one of the last problems to be solved.
I think it's ready for robotaxi in some places, but other places it still has a lot of work to do. Will be interesting to see how Tesla handles the rollout.
I’m in Texas and when I went to IFT three and the Austin area for the eclipse from Houston on the freeway, there are medians with U-turn lanes and the dot 11 tried six times each way to enter the U-turn lane going 70 mph. Had I let it do that there is, a abrupt median directly in front of the U-turn lane. It would have caused a huge accident V12.3.3 Was corrected and did this very dangerous move three times. I reported the bug each time and hopefully Tesla fixes this before someone gets in a major accident
The most noticeable thing is it just looks like driving. (That white car making the right onto N. University 17:15 flat out ran the red light. ChrisV12 didn't flinch! v11 would've got the flutters.) Yesterday, Tesla kept bugging me to install an update -- while away from home. Yeah okay. Later walked out of my friends' house. V12! I just drove back to my house. My Y did start driving from where I was parked, took the first 110 degree turn with more finesse. It did want to stop far behind stop signs... As part of the FSD testing group I'm stoked. Now let's see if it stops entering the freeway on the shoulder. Level 2 or 3...? I can't wait for Level Nap. Be great if you could take a route you took a couple of years ago split screen with the same route in V12. Just pause one side or the other so they can stay matched. What also might be cool is to just drive that route no FSD. I expect that V12 is not going to look very different from normal driving. My only gripe? I wish it had installed before last week when I drove 2600 miles to Texas and back to see the eclipse.
_I wish it had installed before last week when I drove 2600 miles to Texas and back to see the eclipse._ It wouldn't have made much difference. Highway driving is still on the earlier, hand-coded software.
Have also noticed FSD stops way too hard for yellow lights. V11 was actually better at knowing when to continue thru the yellow. Number 1 complaint is how timid FSD is at Stop signs especially when it has to creep far enough for the B-pillar camera to see. Often 10-20 seconds for me. If a car is behind I use the accelerator pedal.
The main issue we found with v12 is Lane bouncing like it turns on the signal to Lane change like it should and it starts moving into the next lane but then it likes to come back into the lane and go for a 2nd attempt or stay in the middle of both lanes even with no traffic.
I think the visualizations and onscreen warnings are disconnected from this driving stack. Mine will say degraded due to poor weather and no longer drives like it’s blind. It will also beep at itself for crossing the fog line sometimes
10:26 I noticed the traffic signal display on screen showed it yellow till you left the intersection unlike the red it actually was. I wonder if the off axis view of the signal led to a false reading.
One time in my experience FSD did try to make a right turn on red where there was a no right turn on red sign, but it was at the end of a freeway and a confusing junction. Still needs to be fixed though.
I was having flawless drives on 12.3.3 but got 12.3.4 yesterday and experienced weird regressions. Making a controlled left turn it went so wide as to go into the bike lane and nearly struck the curb, requiring disengagement. Later in the same drive, it began hugging the right side of my lane almost putting right wheels onto the painted bike lane and at one point just merged into the bike lane, again causing disengagement. I didn’t notice any specific improvement.
The hard stops for yellows lights I’ve experienced multiple times and it’s not fun. It should pass those multiple times with not enough time to stop but instead it just brakes as hard as possible.
I noticed that FSD has gotten better at downtown driving, but suburban driving has slightly worsened. On this high-speed road with only a few intersections, the speed limit is 50, the car is supposed to go 54 but it only goes 49. Hitting the accelerator fixes the issue. Although a 6-lane road (3 on each side) had been repaved and didn't have road markings yet, and FSD handled it better than the human drivers around me.
My biggest problem with 12.3.4 is it still wants to take left hand off ramps from the HOV lane when the route clearly shows staying in the HOV lane. There are three of those on a regular commute I take and every time it takes at least two of the off ramps before I grab the steering wheel.
So far 12.3.4 seems way more confident starting from stop signs, and starting trips. 99% of my drives are near perfect with a few throttle presses on unprotected left’s. Only issues otherwise are all highway related with merging too late (riding the line) or just going into the passing lane when it’s
I have a lot of no turn on reds around me. Most of them have a clear sign like the one you saw. But at the same right turns it obeys and at the others it ignores them. I’m wondering if it is actually a map data issue
Mostly really good stuff. At 3:00, FSD clearly stopped too abruptly. I watched the car stopping at 1/4 speed and could see that at the time your car was fully stopped, the light was still yellow for a brief amount of time. These types of situations are sometimes a problem for human drivers - they sail through a yellow as it's turning red, or they fly thru the intersection when it is red, or they do an early hard stop like your car did. All scenarios have risks. In your case, you're lucky you didn't have someone behind you that was hoping to follow you thru a yellow light. I've been driving my 2023 MY LR (Austin-built) with FSD (Dallas, TX area) since March 30 and have been mostly amazed by it. My car just updated to 12.3.4 an hour ago and I'm looking forward to it taking me for a spin later today. I enjoy your FSD posts. Keep up the good work.
6:19 They flashed lights because A. Most humans would pull into the intersection before waiting for pedestrians. B. They were already clear of the lane you are legally (in some states) supposed to enter.
Whats going on man. I had mine out in Cambridge today and yesterday. Im amazed. Yes I had to take over plenty of times, but the fsd really amazed me. Prevented me making several wrong turns. Later.
Oh today in mattapan it stopped for pedestrian I didn’t see, and mbta bus totally just kept driving. The fellow who I stopped for was thankful an waved. +1 for fsd there.
Could you try and have it go through more pedestrian crossings (official and unofficial if possible) where pedestrians never stop crossing so we can see how it handles that kind of situation? I’m wondering if it will inch forward bit by bit until it can get through or will it wait indefinitely. Ideally there would be no cars around that could help it by making a gap for it in the flow of pedestrians.
My FSD 12 loves to hug the side of the road... too much so. It keeps going into the gravel unless there's a clear marking. So I have to disengage just to keep it from running the tires in the dirt.
@@danabe3220 _If you are caught in the intersection on a red you get a ticket.mailed to you._ Different states have different laws. In my state, as long as you enter on the yellow, it doesn't matter if it turns red while you're in the intersection.
It looks like I'm a few weeks behind you. I received 12.3.4 Saturday. I think the cameras had to calibrate or something? The car would not go the set speed limit no matter what. It false braked so many times I couldn't trust it when someone was behind me. I reported each event in the first 1 hour drive and even performed a double scroll wheel reset. It never improved. I had to stop using it for that drive. Then, after my meeting an hour later, it drove home with no disengagements and no false brakes doing the set speed. IDK?
Have you just let it drive worth no map destination? I'm always curious why it chooses left or right. I also noticed that putting the signal to let's say do a right-hand turn. It will turn it off and ignore it
7:40 funny, I have the opposite problem w/ slightly different scenario, left turns onto one way streets. We’re allowed to turn left on red onto one ways and the car won’t do it. Minor annoyance
i think the version 12 not being able to move out of parking lots or garages is because the neural net has training data that shows people staying in their parking lots or garages. think about it, the time you spent in a parking lot is always greater than time you spent moving out of a parking lot
Hey, great videos! Just an idea since you have been a beta tester since the start, a video that compares the the biggest mistakes from each version and and compare that to how V12 does. Even simple things like calculating proper distance to other cars, staying behind cars in a que, etc. Also your new thoughts on feasibility of robotaxi now with V12
So that hard stop at the yellow light begs the question: If someone WAS behind you, would it have run the yellow? Maybe it figures that a hard stop at a yellow with no one behind you is safer than plowing through the yellow (because of other vehicles that may decide to do something they shouldn't do at that moment). I've hard-stopped at a yellow if no one was behind me for that reason.
The take offs are much better in 12.3.4 I am having a lot of lane ping ponging and staying super close on the right hand side when entering highways but other then that its really good. I'm glad now when i come to a 4 way stop sign and nobody else is there it doesn't sit there anymore just thinking about it lol.
I have something I would like for you to test. I was driving my Model Y with the FSD trial on a very twisty mountain road this week. It would over-shoot the center line on some tight turns and would just give up and cut off in other places. Have you tried driving in those kinds of conditions? Since you have been using FSD for a while now, I would love to hear your opinion of how it performs on that type of road. Other than super heavy rainstorms, that was the only time FSD has let me down.
I know the camera angle isnt true to life how a driver would see but at 10:20 I feel like it turned red as the car was slowing down before it enterend the intersection and the car just blew through. I also didnt see opposing traffic get the green so like you said it may have still been yellow it just looked so close. Also in the beggining I believe the car shouldnt have stopped so hard for a yellow as a car beu arent going to stop and with wet roads hard braking should be avoided by the car when possible but maybe it decided not to go because a pedestrian was waiting to cross on the other side. Interesting to try to figure out how it "thinks".
Yup, i've had the same hard stop on the yellow yesterday. I'm getting the feeling that this is Neuralnet content from "average drivers" more than car logic. I've never experienced hard braking like that on a "late yellow", typically the car decides much earlier its gonna stop or continue.
Hi Chris, thanks for the latest video! Much appreciated. I believe at the end you called it a zero disengagement drive... It doesnt matter how many time you actually disengaged vs how many times you should have... At 10:35 you let the car run a red light. At 11:47 you were confused about why the car to the left was advancing. Well if you rewatch the video, they had the right of way. You can see them do their full stop through the little side window as your car was still slowing down. You should have disengaged at both these instances.
I haven't driven in about 4 years and I am very confident that FSD actually drives a lot better in most situations than I would. That said it's kinda absurd that I would even be allowed to drive at this point lol
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Great job by FSD for sure. That said, it's insane that these crosswalks don't have dedicated WALK times and DO NOT WALK times. It's an unfair burden to place upon a driver of a car who will always be held responsible for striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk... The balance between waiting which is legally required and sticking the front end to make room so as to not hold up the line of cars indefinitely is not reasonable. Where I live in the burbs of Atlanta, they've timers at every crosswalk, even at intersections that may only see a few pedestrians in an hour. They even have special overhead flashing yellow -> flashing red -> solid red to queue up pedestrians and then allow all to cross at once while stopping traffic. I would avoid downtown Ann Arbor completely, lol.
I have had some hard stops for stop signs and traffic lights on 12.3.3. Not comfortable at all. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but V11 had smoother braking for stop signs and traffic lights, imho.
For years I have been trolling that I'll get FSD when it is pretty good and a $2k upgrade from EAP. So here I am seeing what the car will do when they upgrade my computer tomorrow!
The hard stop for yellow at the beginning I believe was due to the pedestrian crossing, tho moving in your same direction, was not going to complete crossing the intersection before the light turned red. Allowing extra pedestrian safety took precedence over making the light. Curious what decision the system would have made if a vehicle was closely following you.
8:47 maybe its being timid because of the cop right behind you on the right Side? Also 23:54 did you see how your car reacted to the oncoming White suv? I thought they were gonna Cut you and so did fsd so it slowed down
Tesla test drivers is the Tesla community. For free. Paid by TH-cam views. Kinda genius. No other car manufacturer can pull this off. For views, need to present challenging situations. Makes FSD better.
90 degree no-stop curve in the road it still crosses the yellow line. Since v12 it wants to use exit lanes to pass cars. The wipers are horrible and activate even on sunny days constantly. It now freaks out on parked cars. Constantly warns that it's bad weather on beautiful days. All sorts of weirdness. I hope they get it fixed.
12.3.4 also still has the HOV lane bug from V11, but the vehicle behaves worse than V11. On a freeway with a left lane HOV lane, the vehicle will not leave the HOV lane to make a planned right-side exit. It won’t cross the HOV lane white line boundary. New behavior is that the vehicle slows way down as the exit approaches as if it’s in a conflict between rules. Gets dangerous on fast-moving freeway traffic.
Yesterday on 12.3.4 I brought friends to the airport. The car successfully negotiated all the madness at the departure terminal. Without any intervention, it aggressively took an opening on the left lane and about 100 yards further saw that there was a spot where I could double park and just went for it. My passengers were in disbelief and so was I.
I wish I got better result. Mine made a left hand turn without signalling, then crossed over the center line for no reason, then soed 9 miles over the speed limit, then on a neighborhood street only went 12 mhp in a 25 mph area, for no apparent reason. SMoother yes, but still making a lot of goofs.
1. The hard stop at the beginning is an issue for me personally. In my opinion it should have continued. If it ever wants to go autonomous I would have wanted it to continue. 2. I found that with the construction in my area, FSD 12.3.4 does wonderful when it has a lead car to follow but still makes mistakes when it's by itself.
" If it ever wants to go autonomous I would have wanted it to continue. " - Why? Seems quite reasonable and given there were no cars behind, it is following the law without increasing the risk. If it pulled this move with cars right behind, then I would agree with you.
"A yellow light, also known as an amber light, indicates that vehicles should slow down and prepare to stop when the signal is changing from green to red. If you are caught in the amber signal in the middle of a large road crossing, you should: Continue with care Do not press your accelerator in panic **If you can clear the intersection at your same speed, then you should continue** FSD 12.3.4 on my vehicle has pulled this same stunt and when you're a passenger not expecting it it is EXTEEMELY disconcerting. It throws everything from the seats or on your lap across the car, and makes you feel as if you were about to get into an accident....and then you realize it was just a yellow light that absolutely could have been driven through smoothly and you would have passed through the intersection before the light turned red. The last version of v11 previously handled yellow lights in my area perfectly. I suspect this will improve over time as V12 matures.
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17:23 it had turned red and completed left turn!
Finally wooooo
I just drove 12.3.4 today and it literally went door to door- from driveway to driveway both locations new to me and 30 miles away then to home - with zero interventions. Truly amazing experience. The rate of improvement is exponential.
Many other 12.3.4 videos on TH-cam tell a different story: Still many mistakes and goofs, requiring human intervention.
Do you know what exponential means? improvement of v12 is certainly not that.
@@DerekDavis213 What a way to say you don't own a Tesla lol. Just because you see it on TH-cam doesn't mean its bad in all situations
@@wildlifeonwheels4236 If I see *twenty* high-res videos on TH-cam that show 12.3.x making all sorts of mistakes, that is very credible evidence.
FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant, nothing more. Full autonomy is a long ways off.
@@DerekDavis213having driven FSD since version 11 I can confidently say that it's made strides in improvement. Yes it makes mistakes, but those mistakes are becoming something that even other humans make, not simply just robotic mistakes. be aware that TH-camrs who drive around just to record the mistakes it makes are having to drive a heck of a lot longer to find enough mistakes to compile into a video.
V11 had a lot of little mistakes it would make that would really annoy me, about 10 or 15 things it would consistently mess up.
V12 has only two. One is the hard braking at yellow lights, it's consistently done that for me if it turns yellow at the right time, and two is when the speed limit goes down for some reason the car just doesn't want to slow down.
Other than that, it drives exponentially better as Chris said, and any Tesla driver who's experienced fsd before the v12 release can attest to that.
@@variablenine You have obviously not watched the *many* videos on TH-cam that are testing FSD 12.3.3 and 12.3.4. On any mildly challenging drive more than 15 minutes, there will be human interventions.
FSD is nowhere even close to full autonomy.
FSD is nowhere even close to a human driver. Especially in strange or unfamiliar conditions on the road.
Biggest change for me in 12.3.4 is that it’s the first version 12 that works on my legacy 2017 MS and my wife’s legacy 2018 MX. Works great, but we also notice the very hard stops for yellow lights.
Definitely felt that as well, breaking way too hard when it doesn’t need to
@@MizaProductions1 and that just started happening in the newest build from what i've seen. idk what they changed
@@a-don13 probably ran a few reds and people got tickets, mighta cranked it up for the new version
@@Nairraider I think they're still redoing parts of the code from v11
What's your aggression setting at? Tbat might be causing it.
This drive is better than some human could
I really like how you compare the drive to previous drives. Could be really cool to see a splitscreen comparison driving the exact same drive you had in an old video and see how different it is with the new version.
Or a compilation of the same intersections with the different versions
I was going to suggest the same thing.
go do it yourself
ann arbor is one of the toughest places to drive in
I've been using FSD Supervised for 3 days now just got my 2024 Model 3 (first Tesla) last saturday, but have been following your videos since the beginning of Beta. I genuinely feel so comfortable with it driving me around, so much so that I set it to assertive after the first day! Don't worry though I am still being safe and making sure it doesn't do anything it shouldn't, like drive me into a deep pothole while trying to drive around a car blocking my lane. I have had no other interventions with it other than me wanting to take a specific route.
I need level 3 FSD so I can watch these videos while I'm in the driver seat
I was once driving while having this playing in the phone holder. almost crashed
21:40 is a move I totally would have done. I like to get into the front of the turn lane when I can so other people behind me can get there as well and we can get as many people to go through on the green arrow as possible. I had no problem with that.
23:53 You totally blew through a great interaction without noticing. White car coming out of parking garage on right _too fast, not seeing you._ FSD sees them and slows as that car sees you at last moment and does a hard stop. FSD speeds back up again.
Yesterday was my first 12.3.4 drive and it definitely is not afraid to make hard stops at yellows. It is noticeably more apt to make a hard stop at a yellow than 12.3.3 which would have gone under in many cases. 12.3.4 also stopped IN an intersection once: making a left on a yellow and the car in front was going too slow so it decided to stop with maybe 3/4 of the car in front of the stop line. Had to push it through. Technically it could have probably stayed there and (as long as no one is riding your tail) the hard stops at yellows are OK too. So I'm nit picking. Kinda have to with 12.3.x because it's so good!
Try 12.3.4 in a busy big city, during morning or afternoon rush hour. There will be many human interventions.
FSD cannot be trusted to drive the car without 100 percent human supervision.
My issue with the hard stops is that there is absolutely no reaction time for you as a driver. The moment that light turns yellow it slams the brakes before you have any time to react and you just gotta pray that the person behind you is aware that you just went from 35 mph to 0 in 2 seconds
@@variablenine Hard stops put you at risk for a rear end collision.
A human would not drive like that!
@@DerekDavis213 I absolutely agree, it's kinda weird for me because the first two stop lights I've gone to with v12 it stopped really hard, and I don't know if it's because I updated to 12.3.4 but it just doesn't seem to do that anymore so maybe I just got really unlucky.
From a legal standpoint the person behind you should have enough space to stop in front of them in case the person in front of them slams on the brakes for a stoplight or obstacle or otherwise. It's not fun getting rear ended but ultimately you wouldn't be at fault if it happened in this scenario
I always like it when you pass the State Theater in Ann Arbor. I traveled to Ann Arbor when "Revenge of the Electric Car" came out, just to see its debut. The director, Chris Payne, was there, and he stayed after the movie to answer questions from the audience.
Hey DT, could you PLEASE put together a 10 minute or so compilation showing the highlights of each major version of FSD since back from version 9 with the colored dots representing road lines and stuff? I think a video like that would go viral and would help show people the insanely amazing progress made in only 3 years. i received FSD In october 2021, and i am blown away by the progress made in V12 and by V14, i would bet any amount of money that it will be able to outperform humans in any driving task
Maybe even better is if you could show the mistakes that the old versions would make, compared to how V12 performs now. Tesla is changing the world and will be integral to saving hundreds of thousands of lives on the road with this technology, but the average person only reads the anti-Tesla negative headlines about Elon and FSD, and they don't understand the incredible progress made so far!! Thanks Mr. Dirty!
My one intriguing V12.3.4 experience: one day a school bus ahead of me in my residential street going slowly and making left turn. My MY trying to getting pass the bus. It seems to think it’s ok to pass a slow bus. But it’s not ok. The bus was just moving through residential street accordingly. I took over the drive.
The stop at the yellow light makes perfect sense as you are required to stop if you can. I once got a hefty ticket for running a yellow light.
It's legally correct but also uncommon, such that there's a decent chance of being rear-ended. Such are the unfortunate circumstances that FSD must operate in, due to the problem of humans on the road.
23:57
For those of us without FSD, it’s things like this that maybe FSD drivers overlook, but intrigue me the most. FSD ‘thought’ that maybe the white suv was going to pull in front of you without stopping, but quickly, almost instantly, noticed it was going to stop and ‘decided’ to proceed. Indecision is the absolute worst. Glad to see it progressing so fast
well I think it's better to slow down if you are not sure the car will not stop. I would probably do exactly the same. I would not call it indecisiveness in this case, it actually was careful and once the car stopped, it continued accelerating
@@lukasdolezal8245 that’s exactly my point. It was not indecisive. It was precautious but then almost instantly made the decision to proceed once it saw the suv had stopped. Previous iterations, once it had chosen to be cautious, took way to long to decide it was safe to proceed
11:57 Good job by recognizing the person stopping in front of the crosswalk to give way to the Tesla
Another excellent real world challenging example. Very helpful.
This is even a bit more extreme than real world imo. Yes they're actual streets and traffic, but no one's going to do circles in a downtown for testing lol. A to B drives are mostly going to be no issue
@@DirtyTeslaFor real world driving where I live barely have to do anything. The traffic is manageable rarely people walking in the road and all the unprotected lefts have great visibility. Haven't been "forced" to disengage in about two weeks but car is sometimes going too slow or not pulling out fast enough. Heavily prefer the car be safe of course. Once tesla gets more comfortable with how good the car is I'm sure they will lessen the certainty required to make maneuvers
@@DirtyTesla this path may have been a challenge to FSD, but it is not anything out of the ordinary and no human that regularly drives in a big city (or even a city the size of this one) would think twice about having to drive this route. The car still made two inexcusable (for a computer) mistakes. Running a red light and not properly yielding the right of way at a 4 way stop to a car that was there first. You can see it do its full stop in the corner window before your car stopped.
Those two failures highlight a different issue with FSD which is that having public testers is just not good, no matter how well intentioned they are. Don't get me wrong, you are among the better FSD TH-camrs when it comes to this, but you weren't paying close enough attention and didn't intervene when you should have. You weren't too sure about the light and didn't realise the car at the 4 way stop had the right of way. Babysitting an automated driving system is hard work, I would say harder than actually driving yourself and would best be left to trained engineers that work hand in hand with the company to resolve issues instead of random customers reporting issues into the void. But alas, that ship has sailed a long time ago with Tesla.
@@DirtyTesla Agreed!
In poor weather and when FSD said FSD may be degraded, the car will miss freeway entrances and exit. I just finished a 3000 miles cross country run in V12.3.3 and V12.3.4. I may say the current version is just delightful 👍
12.3.4 just came out, and you drove 3000 miles already? 👃s like 🐴💩
@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 just part of the trip on V12.3.4
@@yourlogicalnightmare1014bro can't read
Humans don't miss freeway entrances in light rain. FSD is so primitive. omg
@@DerekDavis213um...err...I missed one yesterday
Yes, hard stops for yellow are a problem. I ended up 5 ft into the intersection once on 12.3.3. I won’t let that happen again, I’ll just push through if safe.
Hey just got my new Model Y perf and tried this fsd version out it’s beyond its beyond awesome here in Canada 🇨🇦 like I’m blown away beyond great!!!! FSD IS REALITY ITS THE TRUTH!! No 🧢 ps my first time trying fsd
10:35 that looked to me like a ticketable red light run…
It was
I agree, but irl I did not see the red until I was half way through the intersection, so I didn't know if we were already in the intersection or not when it turned red. I actually looked through the roof to see it as we went under lol
100% a ticket. Red before car entered intersection
Hard stop at yellow: the stop-line was too far back. A softer stop is more important that stopping at the line. If it went through that may have been a bit too late (turned red before getting through), so a more gentle stop that goes passed the stop-line but not into the intersection would probably have been best.
11:50
There was a lot going on there. Both cars were waiting for you to to go but there was also a pedestrian approaching the intersection. The pedestrian noticed you were congesting traffic and did a very intentional slow down very early to indicate his yeilding to you. FSD immediately took the indication and made the turn.
20:43 Do this intersection 10 more times please.
Mine has forgotten a speed limit sign... It's only been in that same place for more than 10 years... It's right where the old highway code kicks back in though; might be the problem
We had one of those "brown's cows" pedestrian crossings right in the middle in a locsl suburb. You could go nuts waiting minutes for a small break!
Thankfully, now they've installed a set of lights...
Bro, the fsd handle that stop at the stop sign with the blue car perfectly. Before that stop, there was a cop parked on your right that was about to pull out. Also the blue car was driving fast and you should wait until the next car stop before you go. Well done @tesla🙏🏽fsd 12.3.4🔥
Such a good video, probably the best scenario presented and FSD rocked ! 🙏
Thank you mate! Great video & graphics display.
You cannot control the weather. unsubscribe 🙃
And Tesla still can't control the wipers. 😂😢
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Doin' a great job now!@@thanhn2001
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Goodbye, I've replaced you 😏
Version .4 is again a big improvement. Since Tesla is no longer "compute limited", I guess they can go faster with tests and implementations and we're seeing the results. Exciting.
21:17 well the systems are indeed disconnected. The alarm doesn't go towards FSD, only the emergency manovre makes it disengage.
The systems were never actually communicating, and the emergency breaking system is still build with the V11 stack, which also runs the visualizations. V12 only gets a copy of the camera feeds and a rudimentary map view and outputs the control it wants to make.
I think Ann Arbor needs to invest in some stop lights, since a few intersection seem they could use it. Regarding the intersections with "no turn right on red" I had one yesterday in Denver getting onto I-225 with a sign and it turned onto it when it was red. I am still on 12.3.3, so hopefully see the 12.3.4 soon on my Model Y.
Hey Chris. I also had sudden stop on yellow yesterday. Didn't expect it, stuff was flying in the trunk. Very abrupt. V11 and first V12 didn't do that. I think 12.3.4 clearly has some issues with yellow lights at least on secondary roads. Did go through some yellow stuff on a faster roads just as before. Speed control is what annoys me, even on non-automatic settings it tends to go under speed limit unless I give it a boost then it kind of follow the limit. Cornering is also an issue, getting too close to curb on V12 constantly. Had to disengage few times to prevent going over the curb. No reaction to dips still, in our area we have ton of them, thus constant disengagements. Hope something will improve between V16 and V21. Perhaps, they will mark it "beta" again?
That pedestrian traffic would drive me insane 😑
I still have no trouble finding problems for FSD here, unfortunately, and 12.3.4 changed absolutely nothing for me, but the performance in your area is incredible. Still blows my mind how good it is at negotiating with other traffic. I would have expected that to be one of the last problems to be solved.
Watching your videos for at least 2 years …. This drive makes me so confident that FSD is almost there!
I think it's ready for robotaxi in some places, but other places it still has a lot of work to do. Will be interesting to see how Tesla handles the rollout.
Timid is cautious, which is good. Wanting human is wanting the millions of accidents humans create. Great video
I’m in Texas and when I went to IFT three and the Austin area for the eclipse from Houston on the freeway, there are medians with U-turn lanes and the dot 11 tried six times each way to enter the U-turn lane going 70 mph. Had I let it do that there is, a abrupt median directly in front of the U-turn lane. It would have caused a huge accident
V12.3.3 Was corrected and did this very dangerous move three times.
I reported the bug each time and hopefully Tesla fixes this before someone gets in a major accident
The most noticeable thing is it just looks like driving. (That white car making the right onto N. University 17:15 flat out ran the red light. ChrisV12 didn't flinch! v11 would've got the flutters.)
Yesterday, Tesla kept bugging me to install an update -- while away from home. Yeah okay. Later walked out of my friends' house. V12!
I just drove back to my house. My Y did start driving from where I was parked, took the first 110 degree turn with more finesse. It did want to stop far behind stop signs... As part of the FSD testing group I'm stoked. Now let's see if it stops entering the freeway on the shoulder. Level 2 or 3...? I can't wait for Level Nap.
Be great if you could take a route you took a couple of years ago split screen with the same route in V12. Just pause one side or the other so they can stay matched. What also might be cool is to just drive that route no FSD. I expect that V12 is not going to look very different from normal driving.
My only gripe? I wish it had installed before last week when I drove 2600 miles to Texas and back to see the eclipse.
_I wish it had installed before last week when I drove 2600 miles to Texas and back to see the eclipse._
It wouldn't have made much difference. Highway driving is still on the earlier, hand-coded software.
Have also noticed FSD stops way too hard for yellow lights. V11 was actually better at knowing when to continue thru the yellow. Number 1 complaint is how timid FSD is at Stop signs especially when it has to creep far enough for the B-pillar camera to see. Often 10-20 seconds for me. If a car is behind I use the accelerator pedal.
At 21:06 it looks like the blue line slightly ‘touched’ the pedestrian. Lovely stuff there, mate!
The main issue we found with v12 is Lane bouncing like it turns on the signal to Lane change like it should and it starts moving into the next lane but then it likes to come back into the lane and go for a 2nd attempt or stay in the middle of both lanes even with no traffic.
I think the visualizations and onscreen warnings are disconnected from this driving stack. Mine will say degraded due to poor weather and no longer drives like it’s blind. It will also beep at itself for crossing the fog line sometimes
10:26 I noticed the traffic signal display on screen showed it yellow till you left the intersection unlike the red it actually was. I wonder if the off axis view of the signal led to a false reading.
One time in my experience FSD did try to make a right turn on red where there was a no right turn on red sign, but it was at the end of a freeway and a confusing junction. Still needs to be fixed though.
I was having flawless drives on 12.3.3 but got 12.3.4 yesterday and experienced weird regressions. Making a controlled left turn it went so wide as to go into the bike lane and nearly struck the curb, requiring disengagement. Later in the same drive, it began hugging the right side of my lane almost putting right wheels onto the painted bike lane and at one point just merged into the bike lane, again causing disengagement. I didn’t notice any specific improvement.
The hard stops for yellows lights I’ve experienced multiple times and it’s not fun. It should pass those multiple times with not enough time to stop but instead it just brakes as hard as possible.
21:10 it appears the beeping red pedestrian warning was for the mail drop being mistaken for someone standing at the curb.
I noticed that FSD has gotten better at downtown driving, but suburban driving has slightly worsened. On this high-speed road with only a few intersections, the speed limit is 50, the car is supposed to go 54 but it only goes 49. Hitting the accelerator fixes the issue. Although a 6-lane road (3 on each side) had been repaved and didn't have road markings yet, and FSD handled it better than the human drivers around me.
My biggest problem with 12.3.4 is it still wants to take left hand off ramps from the HOV lane when the route clearly shows staying in the HOV lane. There are three of those on a regular commute I take and every time it takes at least two of the off ramps before I grab the steering wheel.
So far 12.3.4 seems way more confident starting from stop signs, and starting trips. 99% of my drives are near perfect with a few throttle presses on unprotected left’s. Only issues otherwise are all highway related with merging too late (riding the line) or just going into the passing lane when it’s
I have a lot of no turn on reds around me. Most of them have a clear sign like the one you saw. But at the same right turns it obeys and at the others it ignores them. I’m wondering if it is actually a map data issue
Mostly really good stuff. At 3:00, FSD clearly stopped too abruptly. I watched the car stopping at 1/4 speed and could see that at the time your car was fully stopped, the light was still yellow for a brief amount of time. These types of situations are sometimes a problem for human drivers - they sail through a yellow as it's turning red, or they fly thru the intersection when it is red, or they do an early hard stop like your car did. All scenarios have risks. In your case, you're lucky you didn't have someone behind you that was hoping to follow you thru a yellow light. I've been driving my 2023 MY LR (Austin-built) with FSD (Dallas, TX area) since March 30 and have been mostly amazed by it. My car just updated to 12.3.4 an hour ago and I'm looking forward to it taking me for a spin later today. I enjoy your FSD posts. Keep up the good work.
Do you use a camera gimbal? The view is just so smooth, wow!
Light turned Red when you were 100’ before the intersection. Clear red run.
6:19 They flashed lights because
A. Most humans would pull into the intersection before waiting for pedestrians.
B. They were already clear of the lane you are legally (in some states) supposed to enter.
Whats going on man. I had mine out in Cambridge today and yesterday. Im amazed. Yes I had to take over plenty of times, but the fsd really amazed me. Prevented me making several wrong turns. Later.
Oh today in mattapan it stopped for pedestrian I didn’t see, and mbta bus totally just kept driving. The fellow who I stopped for was thankful an waved. +1 for fsd there.
Could you try and have it go through more pedestrian crossings (official and unofficial if possible) where pedestrians never stop crossing so we can see how it handles that kind of situation? I’m wondering if it will inch forward bit by bit until it can get through or will it wait indefinitely. Ideally there would be no cars around that could help it by making a gap for it in the flow of pedestrians.
11:10 it should have stopped for a slice
My FSD 12 loves to hug the side of the road... too much so. It keeps going into the gravel unless there's a clear marking. So I have to disengage just to keep it from running the tires in the dirt.
FYI, FSD v12 struggles at blinking red lights. This one it actually went possibly cause of the stop sign.
That's how I stop at hard yellows. I dont like taking the chance of running a red.
You ever been rear ended?
My concern also. Wonder if a vehicle behind would change the behavior, since my hard stops have been with no following vehicle.
@@dillonnoller All the intersections in my town have red light cameras. If you are caught in the intersection on a red you get a ticket.mailed to you.
@@danabe3220 _If you are caught in the intersection on a red you get a ticket.mailed to you._
Different states have different laws. In my state, as long as you enter on the yellow, it doesn't matter if it turns red while you're in the intersection.
It looks like I'm a few weeks behind you. I received 12.3.4 Saturday. I think the cameras had to calibrate or something? The car would not go the set speed limit no matter what. It false braked so many times I couldn't trust it when someone was behind me. I reported each event in the first 1 hour drive and even performed a double scroll wheel reset. It never improved. I had to stop using it for that drive. Then, after my meeting an hour later, it drove home with no disengagements and no false brakes doing the set speed. IDK?
wow, I'm really impressed!
Have you just let it drive worth no map destination? I'm always curious why it chooses left or right. I also noticed that putting the signal to let's say do a right-hand turn. It will turn it off and ignore it
7:40 funny, I have the opposite problem w/ slightly different scenario, left turns onto one way streets. We’re allowed to turn left on red onto one ways and the car won’t do it. Minor annoyance
i think the version 12 not being able to move out of parking lots or garages is because the neural net has training data that shows people staying in their parking lots or garages. think about it, the time you spent in a parking lot is always greater than time you spent moving out of a parking lot
Even I get confused by work cones so well done fsd 👏
Hey, great videos! Just an idea since you have been a beta tester since the start, a video that compares the the biggest mistakes from each version and and compare that to how V12 does. Even simple things like calculating proper distance to other cars, staying behind cars in a que, etc. Also your new thoughts on feasibility of robotaxi now with V12
6:50 cars collided on the visualisation behind the car 😂
an old version FSD (years ago) couldn't handle multi-storey parking garage. you might give version 12.3.4 a try.
So that hard stop at the yellow light begs the question: If someone WAS behind you, would it have run the yellow? Maybe it figures that a hard stop at a yellow with no one behind you is safer than plowing through the yellow (because of other vehicles that may decide to do something they shouldn't do at that moment). I've hard-stopped at a yellow if no one was behind me for that reason.
The take offs are much better in 12.3.4 I am having a lot of lane ping ponging and staying super close on the right hand side when entering highways but other then that its really good. I'm glad now when i come to a 4 way stop sign and nobody else is there it doesn't sit there anymore just thinking about it lol.
I have something I would like for you to test. I was driving my Model Y with the FSD trial on a very twisty mountain road this week. It would over-shoot the center line on some tight turns and would just give up and cut off in other places. Have you tried driving in those kinds of conditions? Since you have been using FSD for a while now, I would love to hear your opinion of how it performs on that type of road. Other than super heavy rainstorms, that was the only time FSD has let me down.
Have you tried the parking garage (I think) previous versions struggled with?
Ha been a while for that. I can go back
I know the camera angle isnt true to life how a driver would see but at 10:20 I feel like it turned red as the car was slowing down before it enterend the intersection and the car just blew through. I also didnt see opposing traffic get the green so like you said it may have still been yellow it just looked so close. Also in the beggining I believe the car shouldnt have stopped so hard for a yellow as a car beu arent going to stop and with wet roads hard braking should be avoided by the car when possible but maybe it decided not to go because a pedestrian was waiting to cross on the other side. Interesting to try to figure out how it "thinks".
Yup, i've had the same hard stop on the yellow yesterday. I'm getting the feeling that this is Neuralnet content from "average drivers" more than car logic. I've never experienced hard braking like that on a "late yellow", typically the car decides much earlier its gonna stop or continue.
This video is Ai OFF THE CHAIN!!
loving 12.3.4 so much - im curious how mars catalog doesn't get nags on his version. also do some cars not have the FSD snapshot button?
Can you make shorter versions of these almost half-an-hour videos? Interesting to follow, but don't have much time
I have a good feeling a waymo wouldn’t be able to correctly navigate a substantial portion of the moves you’ve had fsd do under your watch.
Hi Chris, thanks for the latest video! Much appreciated.
I believe at the end you called it a zero disengagement drive... It doesnt matter how many time you actually disengaged vs how many times you should have... At 10:35 you let the car run a red light. At 11:47 you were confused about why the car to the left was advancing. Well if you rewatch the video, they had the right of way. You can see them do their full stop through the little side window as your car was still slowing down. You should have disengaged at both these instances.
Add to the fact that at 11:47 the car is very timid, so the other driver thinks it's letting them through.
I haven't driven in about 4 years and I am very confident that FSD actually drives a lot better in most situations than I would. That said it's kinda absurd that I would even be allowed to drive at this point lol
Great job by FSD for sure. That said, it's insane that these crosswalks don't have dedicated WALK times and DO NOT WALK times. It's an unfair burden to place upon a driver of a car who will always be held responsible for striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk... The balance between waiting which is legally required and sticking the front end to make room so as to not hold up the line of cars indefinitely is not reasonable. Where I live in the burbs of Atlanta, they've timers at every crosswalk, even at intersections that may only see a few pedestrians in an hour. They even have special overhead flashing yellow -> flashing red -> solid red to queue up pedestrians and then allow all to cross at once while stopping traffic. I would avoid downtown Ann Arbor completely, lol.
Thank you
FSD is "perfect" when it does what you would have done
lol exactly
I have had some hard stops for stop signs and traffic lights on 12.3.3. Not comfortable at all. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but V11 had smoother braking for stop signs and traffic lights, imho.
For years I have been trolling that I'll get FSD when it is pretty good and a $2k upgrade from EAP. So here I am seeing what the car will do when they upgrade my computer tomorrow!
The hard stop for yellow at the beginning I believe was due to the pedestrian crossing, tho moving in your same direction, was not going to complete crossing the intersection before the light turned red.
Allowing extra pedestrian safety took precedence over making the light.
Curious what decision the system would have made if a vehicle was closely following you.
Chris Your Audio is a bit low in this video I had to Turn it up on my end to 100% to hear it comfortably
8:47 maybe its being timid because of the cop right behind you on the right Side? Also 23:54 did you see how your car reacted to the oncoming White suv? I thought they were gonna Cut you and so did fsd so it slowed down
Tesla fix my wipers, been broken for 4 years. FSD getting impressive, but please just fix my wipers. Lol😊
8 cameras, 2 processors, Neural Nets, and still the windshield wipers don't work properly. That's Tesla quality! NOT
Tesla test drivers is the Tesla community. For free. Paid by TH-cam views.
Kinda genius. No other car manufacturer can pull this off.
For views, need to present challenging situations.
Makes FSD better.
90 degree no-stop curve in the road it still crosses the yellow line.
Since v12 it wants to use exit lanes to pass cars.
The wipers are horrible and activate even on sunny days constantly.
It now freaks out on parked cars.
Constantly warns that it's bad weather on beautiful days.
All sorts of weirdness. I hope they get it fixed.
12.3.4 also still has the HOV lane bug from V11, but the vehicle behaves worse than V11. On a freeway with a left lane HOV lane, the vehicle will not leave the HOV lane to make a planned right-side exit. It won’t cross the HOV lane white line boundary. New behavior is that the vehicle slows way down as the exit approaches as if it’s in a conflict between rules. Gets dangerous on fast-moving freeway traffic.
Cheers Chris
Yesterday on 12.3.4 I brought friends to the airport. The car successfully negotiated all the madness at the departure terminal. Without any intervention, it aggressively took an opening on the left lane and about 100 yards further saw that there was a spot where I could double park and just went for it. My passengers were in disbelief and so was I.
I should say this was the Montreal international airport.
Did they bring back smart summon for HW 4 cars?
I wish I got better result. Mine made a left hand turn without signalling, then crossed over the center line for no reason, then soed 9 miles over the speed limit, then on a neighborhood street only went 12 mhp in a 25 mph area, for no apparent reason. SMoother yes, but still making a lot of goofs.
1. The hard stop at the beginning is an issue for me personally. In my opinion it should have continued. If it ever wants to go autonomous I would have wanted it to continue.
2. I found that with the construction in my area, FSD 12.3.4 does wonderful when it has a lead car to follow but still makes mistakes when it's by itself.
" If it ever wants to go autonomous I would have wanted it to continue. " - Why? Seems quite reasonable and given there were no cars behind, it is following the law without increasing the risk. If it pulled this move with cars right behind, then I would agree with you.
"A yellow light, also known as an amber light, indicates that vehicles should slow down and prepare to stop when the signal is changing from green to red. If you are caught in the amber signal in the middle of a large road crossing, you should:
Continue with care
Do not press your accelerator in panic
**If you can clear the intersection at your same speed, then you should continue**
FSD 12.3.4 on my vehicle has pulled this same stunt and when you're a passenger not expecting it it is EXTEEMELY disconcerting. It throws everything from the seats or on your lap across the car, and makes you feel as if you were about to get into an accident....and then you realize it was just a yellow light that absolutely could have been driven through smoothly and you would have passed through the intersection before the light turned red.
The last version of v11 previously handled yellow lights in my area perfectly. I suspect this will improve over time as V12 matures.