Van Saar vs Cawdor | Necromunda Battle Report S4E11
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2023
- House Van Saar is on the scene of Acropolis and they will immediately be tested by the Faithful!
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Bloody awesome battle report mate. I do have to say that you and son do the best battle report for Necromunda keep up the great work.
Thank you 🙂
Great battle report as always. I think you need some new dice, the number of 1s rolled by the Van Saar was incredible!!
I know! I can’t seem to get them to just roll average. They are either smoking hot or ice cold.
Great match! The buildings you have it gives a lot of flavor to the table and some nice places to dip into for cover!
The terrain/scenery is amazing!
Cheers!
Excellent videos by the way 😄
This is an absolutely fantastic table! Always love your set-ups with our models :)
Cheers, guys! Thanks for checking it out. It’s always changing and growing!
This was a fun match to watch. Love the table.
What an episode! Awesome table and love the dice rolls!
Thank you :) This one took some time but always worth it.
Love the channel. Keep the battle reports coming, please!
Thanks! Working on the next one today.
Awesome report and i love the special effects for the shots! Suprised the cawdor player didn't use tactics to overwhelm the opponant etc. Interested in picking his brain. Im new to cawdor and actually have my very first game piloting them today.
Thanks! It's easy to do certain things with Cawdor that make them extremely hard to beat. We try to avoid a lot of that. 🙂 Thank you for watching!
Great battle report!!! Love your work as always! Lol now i need to get Vansaar lol! They look like a lot of fun!
Very good shooters, slow though. Only 4” movement.
@@MiniatureGameMontage Thank you for the reply mate! Cheers
Van Saar debut! Wooo!
that was awesome those were some crazy rolls going there
So glad I got the time to watch this.
It was so close, I thought VS was going to take victory.
Could have went either way for sure! Thanks for watching!
The dice look amazing. Super crisp! And a nice size.
Thanks! I need to get some with a matte finish to it doesn't shine so bad.
Let's go!
Another great BR! One thing though, chainaxe gives +1 to hit unless I'm mistaken so Priest Gabriel should be hitting on 3+ with it
we missed that for sure! Great to know!
Hot damn, that was a good back-and-forth! I think that Von Marx kicking it first match sucks on the one part, but also makes for a really interesting narrative shift as Van Saar enter the campaign.
Just imagine the Augmek realizing he has to flee not just because of the next game, but because 'he might be the boss now.' Looking forward to see how they pick up in the next game!
Right! Narratively it's pretty awesome. And that's what I love about this game.
Cheers man
Hail all
Hail!
Hail!
One of the best matches, could have gone either way.
The Faith prevails though! ❤
good game and the scenery of flatline city is spectacular
Thanks! Yeah they make some good stuff!
Man what a wild ride! I'm sad to see the Van Saar have such a sad start. They'll be on the back foot for sure, maybe even for the rest of the campaign. Best of luck to them in the next one!
Thanks, friend! They will be back soon to catch up on games!
Oh Baby, necromunda is back! Jimmy I know I say this every time but your 'munda battle reports are absolutely brilliant, I love every episode, you rock!
Just a couple of things - I don't want to throw a ton of Van Saar stuff at you but I feel it's worth mentioning a couple of the more basic tenets . Hystrar Energyshields are not really worth their cost some say, but I like seeing it used, flak armor is always better skipped in favor of mesh especially for van saar.
I like that you took an Archeotek with a radbeamer! some people will tell you this guy will be worthless. I say keep him as is and buy some rad grenades for your Teks/Sub teks so you have some layers of rad phage synergy! Otherwise good luck I look forward to your thoughts as you explore and learn the gang!
Thanks, friend! We really put them behind in this one but there's a learning curve to every gang. I really thought it would be super simple. It's not, lol! Thank you for the info I'll definitely look at all of it!
@@MiniatureGameMontage Absolutely! It was a fitting introduction for the gang, as brutal as the underhive intended. If you are ever looking for a second opinion on an item or a strategy - You can always find me in *YOUR* comments section lol!
@@philosophyofcarry love it!
@@MiniatureGameMontage I hope this isn't too overwhelming, butI made two example gangs, 1 narrative, 1 more tactical and high damage, maybe they will help inspire your van saar gangs in the future!
The early buy path for either example gang is mesh armor for all (possibly skipping the juves) and then more rad grenades for rad stacking with the narrative gang.
For the damage gang path is Mesh armor first then frag grenades for blast marker options on the las weapon carriers. Also would be good to get any plasma weapon carrier a laspistol as a emergency last resort since all plasma's are scarce and with bad luck run out at the worst times.
The rad stacking narrative gang would be amazing to see in your campaign as luckily none of the other gangs wear hazard suits, which hard counter rad!
Both of these gangs are 1,000 creds on the spot.
Narrative List
Rad Phage 1 - Prime: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Rad Cannon, Skills: Iron Will
Rad Phage 2 - Archeotek: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Rad Beamer*, Ocular Alpha, Skills: Weaponsmith
Rad Phage 3 - Augmek: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Rad Gun, Skills: Hip Shooting
Las 1 - Tek Specialist: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Suppression Laser,
Las 2 - Tek: Wargear: Lasgun, Armored Bodyglove,
Las 3 - Tek: Wargear: Lasgun, Armored Bodyglove,
Las 4 - Subtek: Wargear: Laspistol, Armored Bodyglove,
Las 5 - Subtek: Wargear: Laspistol, Armored Bodyglove,
Injury Dice List
Overseer User Prime: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Skills: Overseer
Injury Dice 1 Augmek: Wargear: Plasma Cannon*, Armored Bodyglove, Skills: Munitioneer
Injury Dice 2 Augmek: Wargear: Plasma Pistol x2, Armored Bodyglove, Skills: Gunfighter
Injury Dice 3 Tek Specialist: Wargear: Plasma Gun, Armored Bodyglove,
Light Fire Support 1 - Tek: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Las Carbine,
Light Fire Support 2 - Tek: Wargear: Armored Bodyglove, Las Carbine,
Light Support 3 - Subtek: Wargear: Lasgun, Armored Bodyglove,
Light Support 4 - Subtek: Wargear: Laspistol, Armored Bodyglove,
@@philosophyofcarry Cheers! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I'll definitely incorporate some changes moving forward!
Man, those faith "force break test" rolls are really good.
Really good! 9” and los bubble on those. Pretty devastating.
Yup, House Cawdor are very good. Kinda feel like they are the best gang, especially as the articles of faith are free. Most other gangs have to pay to access their special rules!
Perfect welcome to the Underhive for the nerds!
That said, I think Teks (the gangers) are a credit trap. Sure you have BS3 and slightly better stats over all, but a lasgun-armed Subtek (the juves) is just shy of half the price, as good a shot as the gangers of other gangs at BS4, plus you get a t-shirt save for free!
That makes good sense to me! The gang definitely felt heavy at the start. Only 6 bodies. That’s just not enough.
Amazing time to get a cold beer and watch this
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Great bat rep I wish that happened when I played van Saar 😂
Good match
Gorgeous terrain and a fun game, despite a few rules errors already mentioned!
When I saw the lists, I was wondering what kind of madman equips his Prime for melee and not shooting... I guess it's the kind of madman whose Prime gets KIA in the first match. If you decide to reset him, or otherwise get another Prime, give him a 24" (or better) weapon.
Thanks! Definitely makes for a good story.
That cawdor paint are gorgeus
Thank you! ☺️
Gorgeous table, and I always enjoy your batreps. If you don't mind, where did you get the STLs for the buildings and shops?
Thanks! This set came from saucermen studios. It’s their flat line city range.
Incredibly close game. That bad deadth for the Prime is worriesome, but I was expecting Van Saar to lose really badly with only six models.
Yeah I agree. They didn’t have a lot of firepower but held their own with the high ground.
I have to often fill my roster whit cheap Subtecks (juves) whit las guns to ad guns to the line.
It will cheapen the leaders gear that they can take but it off set the amount of laking bodies in the fight.
But ye seem bad rolls is Vansaars curse
@@FrostWolfPack
Yeah, numbers are super important in Necromunda. Often I build my Escher Gang queen with a lasgun and give her support skills from the Leadership table just to save credits, but also because it keeps my gang leader away from the front line and out of danger to some extent. Champions are where I put my firepower and more expensive builds.
The simple truth is if you're not rocking up to a fight with ten models, you're probably doing it wrong. If you're playing a long campaign you can always buy a bigger gun later anyway.
Wow, losing their leader in the first game.... Rough... Might want to give the gang a resurrection package for that one..
Right...at this time I've promoted Helix to leader. Got some time to think on it. It makes for a good story at least. 😂
@@MiniatureGameMontage Indeed, but having a leader make two "kills" in the first fight only to have him actually die, is so incredibly rough. 😂
Great game! What a barn burner. Van Saar are an interesting one, it sounds great to go narrative and lean into the rad stuff but I think it doesn't really pay off, especially considering the cost. If rad test was made against the targets toughness I think it would be at a 50% chance all the time we all know how that goes... Also I think the new champion is a trap too, they're just worse than the regular ones and more expensive. For his cost he really ought to be inflicting a serious injury every round but with rad weapons... I think regular champions are just better, don't get me started on Van Saar and melee. Its a real shame but imho Van Saar really seem to be just plasma centric to enjoy any chance of success.
Cheers, friend! Great feedback as always!
@@MiniatureGameMontage On closer inspection the spider rig seems like an interesting melee choice for van saar!
@@rikokrates6298 Definitely going to give it whirl!
Not sure how i missed this post.
Just a heads up! At 6:44 (unless I am mistaken somehow) it looks like you made a rad phage roll after the champion armed with a plasma gun hit but failed to wound the cawdor priest! Only Rad weapons and Rad grenades have Rad-Phage weapon trait! so if this was the Champion with the Plasma Gun as I am interpreting the vid there would not have been a rad page roll.
Also! at 10:08 - the van saar leader could fight back using both his plasma pistol and the hystrar shield - he didn't have to fight unarmed!
You are correct. I believe I recall that mistake. Good call!
@@MiniatureGameMontage yeah you picked up on them as fast as I could type it out, killer report! - I hope someday to see a crazy outlanders campaign with badzone areas and effects from you, that would be amazing!
Thanks for all your work on these!
Finally in first 😂
🤣 Nice!
Where are those little buildings from? they look awesome
Saucermen Studios. Flat Line City range.
Amazing video, i appreciate your work so much !!!
i don't understand the cost of Archeotek (i play it like you): should cost 210 because the first alpha you don't pay it and not increase the fighter’s credits value (rule Master of Cyberteknika).
Thanks! I’ll take a look at that!
so many 1's rolled by van'saar when they have 2+ shooting. Ouch. Great battle still.
Van Saar debut with the most Van Saar rolling… needs 2’s to hit…. Rolls a 1 😂
I know the pain 🥲
lol so true!
That is normal to Van saar as I play them missing and whit plasmas or when hit you do not cause eny wounds it seems to be bane of every Van Saar players
@@FrostWolfPack literally just played a game with my gang (a practice campaign session)… two plasma pistol Prime with Gunslinger. Without fail, at least one ‘one’ was rolled each time I fired 🥲
@@kyronwolf7418 Ok this is starting to sound like its on fully that the hole shooting gang is cursed of bad rolls
Oh wow, Cawdor prayers definitely paid off given the van Saar rolls 😂 think van Marx shouldn’t have gone forwards, exposed himself vs a team, think he should have held back as a counter punch plus would’ve been able to group activate/provide cool check support
I think the archeotek is not a good choice at starting, both the rad Beamer and spider rig are over costed for what they do and doesn’t match up to a second augmek instead. Archeo can do some crazy things though, give them two las subcarbines and gadgeteer for two rapid fire 2 weapons or get a heavy bolter from trading post and weapon smith to give it plentiful
Thanks for the info!!
I had this matchup, except it was min maxed by the van Saar player
Yeah we don’t play that way. Van Saar has gotten a bad rep over the years 😂 Similar to Corpse Grinders
Where did you get the terrain bud? Looks 🔥🔥🔥
Terrain in this one is from Saucermen Studios. Cheers!
@Miniature Game Montage did you print it with resin or filament?
@@lordnazara7320 Everything I've done so far is filament. I do not have a resin printer.
@@MiniatureGameMontage thank you
A summary: 2s to hit...rolls a 1! 😭😭😭😭
Over and over again 😂
Great game! I’ve read that most of the radweapons for Van Saar aren’t worth the creds. Thoughts?
Only played one game so far but I did like the Beamer! 4+ for a flesh wound to reduce toughness could make your las guns wound on 3s. I’ll have to play more games.
Could you like the maker of the STLs for the 3D print terrain you used?
@@JadeFalcon777 most everything I use is free files on thingiverse. Just search for zone mortalis. 🙂
I know it's been a year ago but I'd love to know how I can get some terrain like the one shown here?
@@FernandoGarcia-rr6nn a 3D printer is a great start. Most of these prints are from Saucermen Studios. It’s their Flat Line City range.
@@MiniatureGameMontage thank you so much
Ouf, Von Marx dead... thats got to hurt.
That's my first leader death I believe. Out of all these games. Back to thinking of character names!
@@MiniatureGameMontage hah Yea, we just scrapped our first campaign ever, made too many mistakes that my Goliaths were snowballing to Oblivion. A friend of mine was playing Enforcers and Riko was his leader, he was a legend who kept doing daredevil stuff and simply coudnt die. Till he stood defiant in front of a Stimmer. He rolled 66 and we were all in shocked. We were all lowkey rooting for Riko, but he 's no more. Behold Roboriko, as soon as GW makes the enforcer robot model available that is. and MGM, thank you for you Necromunda videos, they are my favorite.
Awesome I really appreciate you taking the time to watch :)
FOR VAN SAAR... I WOULD CHECK THOSE DICE... WAY TO MANY 1 ROLLS!!!
Only when they roll for Van Saar 🤣
For the algorithm
Soooo Cawdor won? A bit confused here but I never played the game i must admit :)
Yes, they did. If the other gang decides to run to save their fighters then other side wins.
@MiniatureGameMontage cool! Thx for answering. And they run because their leader was critically injured right? I really like how you edit the game btw with the effects and all :)
It inspires me
@@ramslak oh thanks! :) And yes, a gang can flee any turn to attempt to save their fighters for the next game. Sometimes the battle just isn't worth fighting!
Yes, finally Van Saar!!! but....they got wrecked. It is to be expected though as they are a really weak faction. They only have one thing, BS and they pay for it by limiting their toughness, having no close combat potential and poor stats that just make them the weakest faction. I believe they will finish the campaign in last place. Time will tell and I have seen through time many times and can tell you how horrible the faction will become. I like their aesthetics but they have the worst rules. I can't wait to see them fight Goliath or any other melee faction. The scenarios, rules, and terrain all favor melee so they are doomed. Not trying to be negative but realistic. They look nice but will get wrecked; it's by design.
Time will tell! I'm hoping we can do a better job with them.
I was done with Stuckman after his ridiculous Star Wars reviews.
I enjoy the games and the coverage but god DAMN some really trash-brain decisions get made sometimes. A firebrand with a heavy weapon with 30" range just running around turn after turn only to pop out point blank to get shot and run away and get dropped some more...... Moronic :/
What would you have done? There weren’t really any spots with los outside 24”.
@@MiniatureGameMontage park that sucker anywhere he can shoot and then shoot. Considering he ran for 3-4 turns only to stand in full view and get shot anyway.
@@marcusgege2094 I needed a distraction. The weapon is unwieldy so parking anywhere would be exchanging fire against BS2/3. I needed guys on the roof and the archeotek to look at something while I tried to deal with the leader and move up.
@@MiniatureGameMontage I'm not sure what the distraction part is about? I run the Chord of Whores myself (Cawdor, chord whore, get it? Started with the Horde of Doors, it truly was a hard-knock life) so I know the weapon.
In a situation like that without suspensors you're always going to be trading fire because yes, it's unwieldy, you have to move into someone's line of sight (as he eventually did) before firing so sit him in the hardest cover you can which looks at that tower from the start of the game, and shove a bonepicker in front of him to force cool checks then shoot for those 3-4 turns he spent running. He had a real chance to impact the game with even a single s4 5" template which would likely push enemies out of cover, at best wound, at worst pin, and potentially force ini checks with all those edges. Instead he went down in a doorway, ending his turn staring at another fighter with an activation marker after running for 4 turns.
@@marcusgege2094 I guess one day I’ll be able to play to everyone’s expectations. It’s all a learning experience.