Watching this video and listening to your quiet calm explanation (and wittyness) seriously upped my mood... (And don't worry about the US... it'll be ok..... Promise) Thank you...
mrpete222 I'm doing the process right now, although outside it's around 32 F out... working but I bet it's slow.. I am listening to your explanation again, upping my mood here... You are from the Midwest, I presume? (I am from NJ...)
I love this guy! He’s as American as apple pie. Sounds a little like The actor George Bailey from the movie “ Its a wonderful life “. Reminds me of my uncle and grandfather’s era . Post world War ll. Talk about the industrial revolution! For America. These guys are rare and to be cherished. Family values, hard working, responsible, honorable. I learned a lot from my late uncle and Grandfather, glad to Have Good George here to keep me grounded ( Pun Intended) and sharing his wisdom. IT IS a Wonderful Life! Thanks for sharing. I know i’m subscribing.
I wouldn't have thought the back plate would turn out so well, to be honest. When you showed it going into the bath, your hanger wire wasn't snug around the piece, and there was so also much rust on it, that I figured there was no way it would make good electrical contact and come out so nicely. Very impressive, just how well that process works. One thing though--it's the electron travel that moves from negative (cathode) to positive (anode). The conventional current theory has "current" moving from positive to negative--but the flow of electrons is from negative to positive, as the positive anode attracts negatively charged ions ("anions"). A subtle point, but one important to clarify. In addition to what others have posted in these comments, the sodium carbonate is of course needed to ionize the water so that electrons can travel from the work piece (cathode) to the sacrificial anode that is the positive electrical terminal. Since it is free or valence electrons that actually "conduct electricity" (ie; become current), you need some ions in the water in order to facilitate electron flow. Pure water has covalent bonding between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms (H-O-H), and the electrons involved in forming covalent bonds are not electrons that can be involved in current flow--those bonds are too strong. Also, water molecules are held to adjacent water molecules via dipole moments, so there aren't free or weakly-held electrons involved there either. Therefore the bottom line is that there really aren't any suitable electrons available in pure water, so there aren't any electrons available to migrate from the cathode to the anode. So you have to add something to ionize in the water and get current flow, and that something (in this case) is sodium carbonate or "washing soda." Basically...no ions, no current flow. Finally, if you go watch shopdogsam's electrolysis videos, you can see the difference that the washing soda makes. He adds a little, and gets a little current flowing. However then he adds more, and gets more current to flow. So to a point, more is better. I think he states that about 1/2 cup per 5 gallons of water is what he has found will optimize the process. It's been a while since I watched his electrolysis videos however, so someone please correct me if I am wrong on the amount.
Just purchased my first lathe from an auction (logan 955). That is how I found your channel. Subscribed after the second video. Now I am still watching because I agree with you, and I am reminded of my grampa, who had the same passion and love for what he would teach me.
you Sir , got your self another subscriber . I like people like you , straight like an arrow . and simple effective methods of teaching the public good things .
Love these comments! 4:49 & 15:58. I certainly love the "Good old boys" and miss the the old farmer that raised me . So glad to have had the opportunity to have good programming as a kid, unlike todays generations, with strong work ethics and proper outlook on things. Thanks "mrpete222". I hope you're still around and sharing your skills and perspectives.
Sounds like you were raised correctly, as was I. A Christian mother and father that actually cared, worked every day, Taught thriftthrift and hard work. My daughter works in a hospital in the baby ward. Almost all of the babies are born out of wedlock and on the public dole
You are such a good insperation for me and all other machinists world wide. I have watched you videos since the beginning of you channel and realy like your way of teaching. I have worked with a couple of retired machinists that put Sweden amongs the top manufactueers of tools and machines. That era is long gone and the knowledge may soon fade out...I started my own shop in 2009 and I hope that I can preserve a tiny peace of this proud heritage! Thank you Mr. Pete!
Great video. I love the standard old man comments about how the world "ain't like it used to be back in simpler times before the gubment started dumbin' everthang down and regulatin' people fer pourin' out baking soda water!" Good on ya for keeping those old machines running and looking great.
Thank you Mr Pete great Video. Just remember all you folk who use linseed oil. If you discard the rags be aware that they can self ignite and burn down your workshop worse... your house. Take great care with linseed oil rags. TRK
great video! you are an amazingly talented teacher. your tone, the rhythm of your presentation, just the right amount and kind of anecdotes, honesty, good humor, very thorough and well organized.
I didn't read all the comments to prevent 'duplication' . . .BUT : Sodium BIcarbonate is 'Baking soda' . . . . . .which can be 'baked' at 350 degrees for an hour , & will give up one of it's carbon molecules, making it Sodium Carbonate , or 'Washing soda' . . . . Cheaper than the washing soda ! I shudder to think of all the great old machines that have turned to scrap from neglect & abuse ! ! ! ( < when just a bit of labor would render them 'PRICELESS ANTIQUES ! ! ! ) Good show, Mr. Pete !
Sodium bicarbonate = baking soda, NaHCO3 Sodium carbonate, aka carbonate of soda, aka soda ash: Na2CO3 Baking the bicarb at a *low* temperature can drive of the hydrogen atom. Go to a higher temperature, and you drive of the CO2 molecule - the process is called calcination from the Latin word for burning. The CO2 forms gas bubbles in bread, and leaves behind Na2O, aka soda. This form of leavening is the basis for soda bread, biscuits, and some cookies. For the electrolytic cleaning process, it really doesn't matter whether you make your solution from bicarbonate or carbonate - the iron will for an acid in the water, and the carb / bicarb will reach an equilibrium, forming a buffered solution. Buy the cheap stuff, and make your soup, and with a little care for safety, you shall have good results...
Such a breath of fresh air! I'm only 51 but this is the mentality I learned from, the mentality that built our country after WWII. The mentality that gave us the hot rods, then the muscle car era. The best generation.
Hello, I don't know if it's my eyesight, 76 years old, but while watching your video while you were attaching the red clamp to the flat bar, I swear I saw some electrical activity just as you were making contact with the bar. It was at min 15:03 or so. I waited to see if the charger was plugged in, and it was not. What would cause that to spark like that, if it's not powered on ? I have seen my share of explosions when people were careless around batteries while they were charging. I am a retired public safety officer, and in my dual role as police and fire, I have seen the aftermath of some idiot checking to see if there was water in the battery, while it was charging and using a lighter as a light source. It blew the battery completely out of the vehicle and put him in the hospital. I love your videos. Thanks ...Ken
Mr Pete...Another great video...I noticed around frame 15:00 you got a spark when you connected your anode... Even with the charger OFF some residual voltage can be present in the filtering capacitors inside the charger. They can hold a charge for a very long time even overnight. So if you disconnect the clamps when power is still on the cap will be left in a charged state. IF you turn power off when the unit is still drawing current (attached to parts) it will dissipate but needs a few seconds. So to make sure you do not get this spark before you power on the charger, wile hooking up things, if you touch the clamps together (ground /negative and positive the cap will be discharged...This can make a spark as well and should be done away from the bucket of the (YES its called electrolyte) with the added washing soda.. Safety always... I have over 25 years as an electronics technician and design engineer... but i am learning so much from your fantastic descriptions...
Thanks for watching. I have wondered for a long time why it was that it sparked. And you explained it. I have a condenser check, and I would charge a cap. & then discharge it with a loud snap to show the kids the danger of a large capacitor.
mrpete222 HA what fun..im sure the kids all jumped.. When i was working in an electronics shop we would take a cap and charge it..(Small one) and throw it to a buddy and say here catch...Such rotten Brats we had been..it was sort of like those shock buzzers we had as kids..Old days....Sigh. Caps have also an electrolyte in them they are in a sens small fast charge and discharge batteries. they are used in timing applications and filtering for the ability to hold a set charge for a set amount of time..smaller faster, larger more time and voltage (for the most part) high UF means high storage potential and capacity..thus the term "capacitor" i imagine.
,,,, pencil me in,, present and accounted for,, in my regular seat on the front row,, great lesson today,, this process works very good (the best way I have found) and I do have the 5 gallon tank that has been in use (24 hours a day) for 1 year, 3 months, and some days,,,, using the same water and washing soda (oh, I have added a lot of water due to evaporation, but have not added any extra washing soda),,, great video, and Happy Holidays to you and your family,, from over here on the east coast of Arkansas,, shopdogsam
I really enjoyed your video. It was informative, and I loved your extra comments that gave warmth to the presentation. I can tell that you are a master at your trade.
Great vintage horror movie reference Tubalcain! Also, thank you for your wonderful videos! I really enjoy your presentation and the incredible quantity of information available.
wipe the anode periodically as the buildup slows down the electrolysis also try to use anodes with a large surface area, such as steel plate or flat bar, its easier to clean and the larger surface makes the process faster.
Computer PSU work great as power supplies aswell. PSU's easily spit out 10A at 12V. Just remember to connect the PS_ON wire (usually green) to ground to turn it on.
I am not sure if this has been answered, but the green handle on the ground plug is common in wiring and is commonly known as earthing in European standards. A couple tips to help the process is to add some form of load to the circuit. I have been using a car turn signal bulb to draw the maximum current. Electrolysis can be performed with any compounds that produce an electrolytic solution. I have been using salt water quite effectively as well as vinegar. I am still looking to try different solutions and hope to try this process soon.
I would be careful using the salt and vinegar solutions for long periods because these solutions are quite aggressive naturally and if left sitting will cause the parts to rust. I use this process to clean parts quickly and it has proven effective when the parts are rinsed and oiled relatively quickly.
Great video, can't wait to try it on some old tools I found at the swap meet. Always get good deals on real rusty stuff. I've been doing things the hard way.
Thanks, Mr. Pete. Learned something new (as always, when watching your videos.) I appreciate all the effort you take in filming, editing and uploading all these videos for us viewers. Thank you! :) - Arye S.
Thanks for another great video. I knew of this process, but I'd never tried it. Thanks for demonstrating just how much rust could be removed. I recently acquired a Logan model 820 and I'm looking forward to using it in my shop.
Great job! Thanks for the nostalgic trip to the past! After about a minute into this I couldn't care as much about the procedure as the waiting for the next comment!! :)
I've done this by chemical means previously and i've since found out about a process that uses simply molasses and water, if you can believe it. Apparently it's an old trick that they used to restore car bodies. It requires no sacrificial piece and no electricity. Just mix molasses and water and dump your piece in. It can take 2 or 3 weeks though. So I think this is a quicker process. Not sure of the ratio of molasses to water. But apparently it works great. I had previously spent some decent money on a rust removal solution which works in the same manner.
I've used it to great success on a few old motorcycle gas tanks. The tub and the workpiece are one and the same. A piece of rebar wedged into the filler hole with rubber for the sacrificial.
Tubal - I think you videos are just great - and the amount of time and detail you go though to teach us how to do things. It is like having a mentor standing right by me! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with everyone - happy holidays - ps Shopdog is also fun to watch and learn things from! The best to both of you!
I have used this method to de-rust an old stanley # 4 plane, and after removing it from the tank, scrubbed off the black oxide that is normally produced with a kitchen scrubber, and I liked the surface that resulted. It still left somewhat of a antique look, or patina, as they like to say, And was cleaned up and de rusted with out looking like it had just been sanded down.
Sodium carbonate (also known as washing soda, soda ash and soda crystals), Na2CO3. Electolysis works with kitchen salt (NaCl) as well. Another (but slower) method of corrosion removal is to submerge corroded iron part into molasses solution for several days.
I have some rusty collets I will try this next week! I will go get the (Arm and Hammer) "Super Washing Soda" today. Thank you very much for all the great lessons sir.
If you don't have any disposable wrenches then the graphite from a carpenters pencil works really well, it still get gummed up but it doesn't stick so you can take it off and wipe it down with a paper towel and it is ready to go again. For cleaning afterwards i dump the parts into the sink and give them a good scrubbing with a soft wire brush, quick dry off then a soaking in WD40, always come up really nice and no post rusting issues either.
Great video. I used to do electrolysis until I discovered Evaporust. I restore tools and this process removes everything but the Evaporust leaves the paint. Amazing stuff and no hazards. More costly but it can be reused for a while.
Hi Pete, If you get a moment check out the videos that I did for rust removal using CLR....just dip/soak and clean, no wires or vapors! Happy Holidays Chuck
CLR will release some obnoxious fumes, so always work in a well ventilated area = have a fan blowing past you and across the work, then out a window or vent stack...
I've used CLR for years to bust loose seized engines. It beats the crap out of all the penetrating oils. And it's faster to. Works great on small engine carborators that have sat outside and corroded up. Be quick when you use it on aluminum and potmetal. But for big ole rusty iron and steel objects I haven't had that much luck. Anyway God bless you and have a merry Christmas.
We use this, although with a bit of tighter tolerances and chemicals at work to electropolish things. You would not believe how smooth we can get some of the metals at work. It is amazing stuff.
You can also use this method cut parts that are VERY thin sheet steel as in the butter fly valve for a pulse jet just use table salt to "etch your parts" you can put your name on things as well Awesome as always keep up the good work
I like your video persona. Your voice is very pleasant. Some points to make are: l use vinegar to remove the remaining black oxide and then oil the item, The paper you are using may be 220 grit but it is definitely not wet or dry (the white finish is zinc stearate which prevents clogging of the sanding grit on the paper). I use hot water to dissolve the washing soda and set everything up while the water is still hot. In my experience after turning on the current the solution will remain hot and the action is very pronounced. It only takes a matter of a couple of hours to get the job done.
Great video! I am restoring an old JD tractor and I use a muriatic acid solution in a Tidy cat litter bucket with lid. Works well but one needs to be careful as the acid is nasty stuff. BTW "water displacement formula 40" - WD40 - I never knew that's what it was called! - Thanks again.
I truly enjoyed the video commentator sounds like the late actor "Jimmy Stewart" Have a wonderful day my new friend! I joined and Subscribed for multiple reasons content is fantastic stories are wonderful and the peacefulness of Mrpete222's voice "Jimmy Stewart"
I like to use damaged threaded rod or worm-shaft for anodes, because the greater surface area per mass of metal seems more effective. When the crud builds up, I clean them up on a wire wheel for re-use. Rectangular boxes like those sold for storing rolls of gift wrapping paper work great for long items, especially if you line the bottom with plastic grid from a florescent light diffuser to keep parts out of the silt.
I did the same thing in an hour or so with heated vinegar. Just put the rusty bits in a glass or plastic container, fill with hot vinegar, agitate periodically. I did this on some hex bits and they all cleaned up nice.
outstanding!!!! thank you again for taking the time you do in your videos. for the inexperienced like me this is critical to keeping me out of trouble haha!!! Thanks again for an awesome lesson
hello sir , the black stuff your getting can be avoided by using sodium hydroxide instead of baking soda. most drain cleaners are pure sodium hydroxide crystals . also if you use stainless steal for your anodes they will not corrode as bad or in some cases not at all, this will insure the current draw of the system stays high instead of fading off
I've seen where stainless steel creates hexavalent chromium toxins; another U.K. contributor says not to worry. Can the sodium hydroxide be in liquid form as in bottled drain cleaners?
Great video, This process works by line of sight so adding another anode will clean both sides. Using graphite will eliminate the crud build up when using steel for an anode. Be sure to clean off the anode for best results.
mr eye you are the bomb love all you'r work and especially you'r hot air engine builds, you sure do a fantastic job and very nice . Your number one sub.
Hello Tubalcain Montresor says in the 1962 movie adaptation of The Cask of Amontillado called "The Black Cat" "The vaults are insufferably damp. They are encrusted with NITRE . Let us go, nevertheless".......Nirtre, or potassium nitrate, is a mineral deposit sometimes left on damp walls underground, as in cellars, caves, or basements. As Montresor > (Peter Lorre ) leads Fortunato > (Vincent Price) deeper and deeper into the wine cellar/crypt, he calls his attention to it. in the Movie based on Edgar Allan Poe's short story The Cask of Amontillado for all those who were curious as to Tubalcains reference to "NITRE" at @2:56
You sure simplified this ! I just built one out of a 5 gallon bucket with 6 pieces of #5 rebar drilled and bolted around the perimeter of the bucket, all tied together with copper wire. It’s nice but I’m now thinking overkill !!
you know ,,,,i love this guy ,,,he reminds me of my grandfather ,and all the other interesting guys ive met through my life ,,,he talks sense and not safety gone mad ,,,by all those new guys ,who cant do anything anyway ,,,rgds ,,,
Did I catch that you were called " Pete", forgive me if I'm wrong .......Love your very informative videos and your very lucky wife to have married a gentleman with great humour and engineering interesting skills!. I hope you are keeping well and you are still putting out videos. The way things used to be was great in the old days without all the fuss and regulations as you said. I am currently restoring, cleaning with electrolysis and citric acid my front suspension strut on my Fiat with" Dang" Koni expensive suspension in the Competizione 595/ 2013 and will be fitting new strut tops with bearings. The cost of a new strut and spring is very expensive and restoring with the citric acid and electric battery charger bath will save a lot of money with the cost of these Ferrari overpriced parts for this little pocket rocket. All the best from a fan in Northern Ireland United Kingdom........Go easy with the hydrogen in the basement, as you said "The Hindenburg airship"......or hopefully just a tickle of a cough with the fumes, and some sneezing! Great show...we think it's very natural when your on-air and only getting a few minutes to enjoy your hobby now, and with respect, your wife is looking for you, and by her tone, she has had enough of all this" TH-cam thingy stuff" as there is more important stuff she needs to be done immediately! All the best from Jonathan and keep well both of you.
this is good to know...i did a similar job with coins i found buried in the ground..not so good tried vineagar also still no good...but it was fun finding money and neat to build the rust remover thank you mrpete222
Great video. Probably going to have to make use of this in the near feature to see if I can restore some of those things which the other rust remover solvents haven't been able to do as well as I'd hoped. Merry Christmas.
Watching this video and listening to your quiet calm explanation (and wittyness) seriously upped my mood...
(And don't worry about the US... it'll be ok..... Promise)
Thank you...
Thanks for watching
mrpete222
I'm doing the process right now,
although outside it's around 32 F out...
working but I bet it's slow..
I am listening to your explanation again, upping my mood here...
You are from the Midwest, I presume? (I am from NJ...)
I love this guy! He’s as American as apple pie. Sounds a little like The actor George Bailey from the movie “ Its a wonderful life “. Reminds me of my uncle and grandfather’s era . Post world War ll. Talk about the industrial revolution! For America. These guys are rare and to be cherished. Family values, hard working, responsible, honorable. I learned a lot from my late uncle and Grandfather, glad to Have Good George here to keep me grounded ( Pun Intended) and sharing his wisdom. IT IS a Wonderful Life! Thanks for sharing.
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I wouldn't have thought the back plate would turn out so well, to be honest. When you showed it going into the bath, your hanger wire wasn't snug around the piece, and there was so also much rust on it, that I figured there was no way it would make good electrical contact and come out so nicely. Very impressive, just how well that process works. One thing though--it's the electron travel that moves from negative (cathode) to positive (anode). The conventional current theory has "current" moving from positive to negative--but the flow of electrons is from negative to positive, as the positive anode attracts negatively charged ions ("anions"). A subtle point, but one important to clarify.
In addition to what others have posted in these comments, the sodium carbonate is of course needed to ionize the water so that electrons can travel from the work piece (cathode) to the sacrificial anode that is the positive electrical terminal. Since it is free or valence electrons that actually "conduct electricity" (ie; become current), you need some ions in the water in order to facilitate electron flow. Pure water has covalent bonding between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms (H-O-H), and the electrons involved in forming covalent bonds are not electrons that can be involved in current flow--those bonds are too strong. Also, water molecules are held to adjacent water molecules via dipole moments, so there aren't free or weakly-held electrons involved there either. Therefore the bottom line is that there really aren't any suitable electrons available in pure water, so there aren't any electrons available to migrate from the cathode to the anode. So you have to add something to ionize in the water and get current flow, and that something (in this case) is sodium carbonate or "washing soda." Basically...no ions, no current flow.
Finally, if you go watch shopdogsam's electrolysis videos, you can see the difference that the washing soda makes. He adds a little, and gets a little current flowing. However then he adds more, and gets more current to flow. So to a point, more is better. I think he states that about 1/2 cup per 5 gallons of water is what he has found will optimize the process. It's been a while since I watched his electrolysis videos however, so someone please correct me if I am wrong on the amount.
Just purchased my first lathe from an auction (logan 955). That is how I found your channel. Subscribed after the second video. Now I am still watching because I agree with you, and I am reminded of my grampa, who had the same passion and love for what he would teach me.
Thank you for watching
Love the old school mentality. Reminds me of how my grandpa would teach. Awesome video.
you Sir , got your self another subscriber . I like people like you , straight like an arrow . and simple effective methods of teaching the public good things .
This guy is a GREAT demonstrator, and has a great sense of humor. Thank you for shareing.
Love these comments! 4:49 & 15:58. I certainly love the "Good old boys" and miss the the old farmer that raised me . So glad to have had the opportunity to have good programming as a kid, unlike todays generations, with strong work ethics and proper outlook on things. Thanks "mrpete222". I hope you're still around and sharing your skills and perspectives.
Sounds like you were raised correctly, as was I. A Christian mother and father that actually cared, worked every day, Taught thriftthrift and hard work. My daughter works in a hospital in the baby ward. Almost all of the babies are born out of wedlock and on the public dole
You are such a good insperation for me and all other machinists world wide. I have watched you videos since the beginning of you channel and realy like your way of teaching. I have worked with a couple of retired machinists that put Sweden amongs the top manufactueers of tools and machines. That era is long gone and the knowledge may soon fade out...I started my own shop in 2009 and I hope that I can preserve a tiny peace of this proud heritage! Thank you Mr. Pete!
Great video. I love the standard old man comments about how the world "ain't like it used to be back in simpler times before the gubment started dumbin' everthang down and regulatin' people fer pourin' out baking soda water!" Good on ya for keeping those old machines running and looking great.
You probably smile when you think about how black people was treated back in "the good ole days"
Thank you Mr Pete great Video. Just remember all you folk who use linseed oil. If you discard the rags be aware that they can self ignite and burn down your workshop worse... your house. Take great care with linseed oil rags. TRK
great video! you are an amazingly talented teacher. your tone, the rhythm of your presentation, just the right amount and kind of anecdotes, honesty, good humor, very thorough and well organized.
I didn't read all the comments to prevent 'duplication' . . .BUT :
Sodium BIcarbonate is 'Baking soda' . . .
. . .which can be 'baked' at 350 degrees for an hour , & will give up one of it's carbon molecules, making it Sodium Carbonate , or 'Washing soda' . . . . Cheaper than the washing soda ! I shudder to think of all the great old machines that have turned to scrap from neglect & abuse ! ! ! ( < when just a bit of labor would render them 'PRICELESS ANTIQUES ! ! ! ) Good show, Mr. Pete !
Sodium bicarbonate = baking soda, NaHCO3
Sodium carbonate, aka carbonate of soda, aka soda ash: Na2CO3
Baking the bicarb at a *low* temperature can drive of the hydrogen atom.
Go to a higher temperature, and you drive of the CO2 molecule - the process is called calcination from the Latin word for burning.
The CO2 forms gas bubbles in bread, and leaves behind Na2O, aka soda.
This form of leavening is the basis for soda bread, biscuits, and some cookies.
For the electrolytic cleaning process, it really doesn't matter whether you make your solution from bicarbonate or carbonate - the iron will for an acid in the water, and the carb / bicarb will reach an equilibrium, forming a buffered solution.
Buy the cheap stuff, and make your soup, and with a little care for safety, you shall have good results...
chemech
even regular salt does work.
Mitchell HürenKamp all I ever used so far was baking soda. Worked fine. Don't know if washing soda would work better or not?
Ya gotta love tubalcain/Mr Pete. He is the greatest. I would have loved having a shop teacher like this. I wish I had any shop teacher for that fact!
Thanks
Such a breath of fresh air! I'm only 51 but this is the mentality I learned from, the mentality that built our country after WWII. The mentality that gave us the hot rods, then the muscle car era. The best generation.
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"When America was simpler " man talk about simple words speaking the loudest , I agree 100 % .
We live near the Atlantic Ocean in Delaware and rust is always a problem here .Thank you for this most useful information!
Absolutely wonderful work Mister... My grandfather recently passed and I've learned everything from him... Very well explained indeed.
Thanks
I finally figured it out, you sound like Jimmy Stewart.
elebeu Yes--I've been told that often
+elebeu HE REALLY DOES LOL
Hello, I don't know if it's my eyesight, 76 years old, but while watching your video while you were attaching the red clamp to the flat bar, I swear I saw some electrical activity just as you were making contact with the bar. It was at min 15:03 or so. I waited to see if the charger was plugged in, and it was not. What would cause that to spark like that, if it's not powered on ? I have seen my share of explosions when people were careless around batteries while they were charging. I am a retired public safety officer, and in my dual role as police and fire, I have seen the aftermath of some idiot checking to see if there was water in the battery, while it was charging and using a lighter as a light source. It blew the battery completely out of the vehicle and put him in the hospital. I love your videos. Thanks ...Ken
Mr Pete...Another great video...I noticed around frame 15:00 you got a spark when you connected your anode... Even with the charger OFF some residual voltage can be present in the filtering capacitors inside the charger. They can hold a charge for a very long time even overnight. So if you disconnect the clamps when power is still on the cap will be left in a charged state. IF you turn power off when the unit is still drawing current (attached to parts) it will dissipate but needs a few seconds. So to make sure you do not get this spark before you power on the charger, wile hooking up things, if you touch the clamps together (ground /negative and positive the cap will be discharged...This can make a spark as well and should be done away from the bucket of the (YES its called electrolyte) with the added washing soda.. Safety always...
I have over 25 years as an electronics technician and design engineer... but i am learning so much from your fantastic descriptions...
Thanks for watching. I have wondered for a long time why it was that it sparked. And you explained it. I have a condenser check, and I would charge a cap. & then discharge it with a loud snap to show the kids the danger of a large capacitor.
mrpete222 HA what fun..im sure the kids all jumped.. When i was working in an electronics shop we would take a cap and charge it..(Small one) and throw it to a buddy and say here catch...Such rotten Brats we had been..it was sort of like those shock buzzers we had as kids..Old days....Sigh.
Caps have also an electrolyte in them they are in a sens small fast charge and discharge batteries. they are used in timing applications and filtering for the ability to hold a set charge for a set amount of time..smaller faster, larger more time and voltage (for the most part) high UF means high storage potential and capacity..thus the term "capacitor" i imagine.
Hey George thanks for that tip ! You saved me a trip into town.
,,,, pencil me in,, present and accounted for,, in my regular seat on the front row,, great lesson today,, this process works very good (the best way I have found) and I do have the 5 gallon tank that has been in use (24 hours a day) for 1 year, 3 months, and some days,,,, using the same water and washing soda (oh, I have added a lot of water due to evaporation, but have not added any extra washing soda),,, great video, and Happy Holidays to you and your family,, from over here on the east coast of Arkansas,, shopdogsam
I actually learned this process from your videos. Are you moving away from the East coast? Merry Christmas.
I use arm and hammer baking soda for electrolysis, works fine.
Nice work Tubalcain.... I enjoy your videos tremendously! Thanks!
+Danny Herrera Thanks for watching
I love your videos! I'm a beginner amateur hobbyist and have learned so much from you. THANK YOU!
Great show. Thank you for your time and your knowledge, Mr. Pete.
I really enjoyed your video. It was informative, and I loved your extra comments that gave warmth to the presentation. I can tell that you are a master at your trade.
skysentinel Thank you very much!
Great vintage horror movie reference Tubalcain! Also, thank you for your wonderful videos! I really enjoy your presentation and the incredible quantity of information available.
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Finally a good video that I can understand you explain everything so it's very easy to understand. Thanks
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wipe the anode periodically as the buildup slows down the electrolysis also try to use anodes with a large surface area, such as steel plate or flat bar, its easier to clean and the larger surface makes the process faster.
Computer PSU work great as power supplies aswell. PSU's easily spit out 10A at 12V. Just remember to connect the PS_ON wire (usually green) to ground to turn it on.
I am not sure if this has been answered, but the green handle on the ground plug is common in wiring and is commonly known as earthing in European standards. A couple tips to help the process is to add some form of load to the circuit. I have been using a car turn signal bulb to draw the maximum current. Electrolysis can be performed with any compounds that produce an electrolytic solution. I have been using salt water quite effectively as well as vinegar. I am still looking to try different solutions and hope to try this process soon.
I would be careful using the salt and vinegar solutions for long periods because these solutions are quite aggressive naturally and if left sitting will cause the parts to rust. I use this process to clean parts quickly and it has proven effective when the parts are rinsed and oiled relatively quickly.
There's something quite relaxing on this video. Thanks.
alienorbiter Thanks for watching.
A solid demonstration as ever Mr Pete!
Great video, can't wait to try it on some old tools I found at the swap meet. Always get good deals on real rusty stuff. I've been doing things the hard way.
I can imagine you are well pleased with that result. Excellent video - as usual I might add!
Thanks, Mr. Pete. Learned something new (as always, when watching your videos.) I appreciate all the effort you take in filming, editing and uploading all these videos for us viewers. Thank you! :)
- Arye S.
Shopogsam, he is the professor on this subject! Love you videos Tubalcain!
Thanks for another great video. I knew of this process, but I'd never tried it. Thanks for demonstrating just how much rust could be removed. I recently acquired a Logan model 820 and I'm looking forward to using it in my shop.
Thanks for your video. Really a great lesson in how to use electrolysis.
Great job! Thanks for the nostalgic trip to the past! After about a minute into this I couldn't care as much about the procedure as the waiting for the next comment!! :)
old people are awesome JUST SAYIN! props to you! Nice video!
Thanks
I've done this by chemical means previously and i've since found out about a process that uses simply molasses and water, if you can believe it. Apparently it's an old trick that they used to restore car bodies. It requires no sacrificial piece and no electricity. Just mix molasses and water and dump your piece in. It can take 2 or 3 weeks though. So I think this is a quicker process. Not sure of the ratio of molasses to water. But apparently it works great. I had previously spent some decent money on a rust removal solution which works in the same manner.
Sulfated Molasses ratio 9:1
Do not use on cast iron. It severely weakens Cast.
I've used it to great success on a few old motorcycle gas tanks. The tub and the workpiece are one and the same. A piece of rebar wedged into the filler hole with rubber for the sacrificial.
Tubal - I think you videos are just great - and the amount of time and detail you go though to teach us how to do things. It is like having a mentor standing right by me! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with everyone - happy holidays - ps Shopdog is also fun to watch and learn things from! The best to both of you!
Go to the post office, or bank. And the ham on rye. Lyle, the comments are THEE best. Long live the old/golden days ;)
Ham & Swiss cheese on rye with horseradish mustard & a dill pickle - I think that I'll go make me a sandwich!...
Thanks for watching
you are awesome. the comment about the ham and rye with a pickle was hilarious. actually it did sound good maybe ill go get one.
I have used this method to de-rust an old stanley # 4 plane, and after removing it from the tank, scrubbed off the black oxide that is normally produced with a kitchen scrubber, and I liked the surface that resulted. It still left somewhat of a antique look, or patina, as they like to say,
And was cleaned up and de rusted with out looking like it had just been sanded down.
You said a mouthful when you said that "they are dumbing us down". The battery charger comment. Thanks for your video. Zb
Sodium carbonate (also known as washing soda, soda ash and soda crystals), Na2CO3.
Electolysis works with kitchen salt (NaCl) as well.
Another (but slower) method of corrosion removal is to submerge corroded iron part into molasses solution for several days.
I have some rusty collets I will try this next week! I will go get the (Arm and Hammer) "Super Washing Soda" today. Thank you very much for all the great lessons sir.
Great informative video. I also want to point out some really good things mentioned in comments. I feel I have learned something new today.
Thanks for watching
Great video, those gears look great! Hard to believe how good the faceplate looks. Thanks a lot for sharing. Merry Christmas.
Mr. Pete. Thank you for the tip and demonstration.
Merry Christmas.
Very helpful idea. Also, good safety tips. Enjoyed your video.
If you don't have any disposable wrenches then the graphite from a carpenters pencil works really well, it still get gummed up but it doesn't stick so you can take it off and wipe it down with a paper towel and it is ready to go again.
For cleaning afterwards i dump the parts into the sink and give them a good scrubbing with a soft wire brush, quick dry off then a soaking in WD40, always come up really nice and no post rusting issues either.
The Gears look like new and the Faceplate Looks very nice. I am amazed how well it looks now Thank You for another Great video
Great video. I used to do electrolysis until I discovered Evaporust. I restore tools and this process removes everything but the Evaporust leaves the paint. Amazing stuff and no hazards. More costly but it can be reused for a while.
Hi Pete,
If you get a moment check out the videos that I did for rust removal using CLR....just dip/soak and clean, no wires or vapors!
Happy Holidays
Chuck
CLR will release some obnoxious fumes, so always work in a well ventilated area = have a fan blowing past you and across the work, then out a window or vent stack...
I've used CLR for years to bust loose seized engines. It beats the crap out of all the penetrating oils. And it's faster to. Works great on small engine carborators that have sat outside and corroded up. Be quick when you use it on aluminum and potmetal. But for big ole rusty iron and steel objects I haven't had that much luck. Anyway God bless you and have a merry Christmas.
We use this, although with a bit of tighter tolerances and chemicals at work to electropolish things. You would not believe how smooth we can get some of the metals at work. It is amazing stuff.
You can also use this method cut parts that are VERY thin sheet steel as in the butter fly valve for a pulse jet just use table salt to "etch your parts" you can put your name on things as well Awesome as always keep up the good work
Just came across your video.
Something tells me we are of like mind and spirit.
God Bless and Keep you Well, Brother.
Boaz.
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Wonderful video. I really enjoyed watching this. Thanks for all the great information, it's very much appreciated.
I like your video persona. Your voice is very pleasant. Some points to make are: l use vinegar to remove the remaining black oxide and then oil the item, The paper you are using may be 220 grit but it is definitely not wet or dry (the white finish is zinc stearate which prevents clogging of the sanding grit on the paper). I use hot water to dissolve the washing soda and set everything up while the water is still hot. In my experience after turning on the current the solution will remain hot and the action is very pronounced. It only takes a matter of a couple of hours to get the job done.
Merry Christmas from bonny Scotland all the very best to you and your family, and thank you for all your excellent videos.
Awesome. Got a wilton vice I wanna restore. Looks like this is the ticket. Easy enough. Thanks bud. Awesome vid
Yes
Great video! I am restoring an old JD tractor and I use a muriatic acid solution in a Tidy cat litter bucket with lid. Works well but one needs to be careful as the acid is nasty stuff. BTW "water displacement formula 40" - WD40 - I never knew that's what it was called! - Thanks again.
10:57...."That ham looks good...warm...on rye bread...with a pickle!" Tubalcain never disappoints. Ever.
"Im on the air" "oh" older couples are the best
So cute!
Now that's some funny shit right there!
Kombokiller123
So classic.....Reminded me of my mom calling Dad in from the back door for dinner
Very interesting video Mr. Pete ! Thank you for sharing !
Thankyou sir, you are a pleasure to watch. Most informative.
Thanks
You rock, thank you so much for explaining things in 'old person' understanding
Glad you like it
This is some pretty amazing stuff, count on Tubalcain to show you how its done!
MrJoeGarner Thanks for watching
Sir, that was an excellent video. Thankyou for sharing it. And that ham did look very good.
Keep well!
+MrImarcus Thanks for watching-
I truly enjoyed the video commentator sounds like the late actor "Jimmy Stewart" Have a wonderful day my new friend! I joined and Subscribed for multiple reasons content is fantastic stories are wonderful and the peacefulness of Mrpete222's voice "Jimmy Stewart"
Thank you, I'm glad you joined me and subscribe. Keep watching, old Jimmy has 900 videos
Excellent video my friend! Wow, amazing how you got all that rust off!!! I'm gonna try your method out!!
I like to use damaged threaded rod or worm-shaft for anodes, because the greater surface area per mass of metal seems more effective. When the crud builds up, I clean them up on a wire wheel for re-use. Rectangular boxes like those sold for storing rolls of gift wrapping paper work great for long items, especially if you line the bottom with plastic grid from a florescent light diffuser to keep parts out of the silt.
I did the same thing in an hour or so with heated vinegar. Just put the rusty bits in a glass or plastic container, fill with hot vinegar, agitate periodically. I did this on some hex bits and they all cleaned up nice.
My wife and I just watched your video. Now she wants a ham sandwich on rye bread with a pickle also.
Lol honestly, I feel the same way! Or even a nice Reuben!
I can't thank you enough.
Man, you're the best.
outstanding!!!! thank you again for taking the time you do in your videos. for the inexperienced like me this is critical to keeping me out of trouble haha!!! Thanks again for an awesome lesson
hello sir , the black stuff your getting can be avoided by using sodium hydroxide instead of baking soda. most drain cleaners are pure sodium hydroxide crystals . also if you use stainless steal for your anodes they will not corrode as bad or in some cases not at all, this will insure the current draw of the system stays high instead of fading off
***** no need to keep every thing simple or you will never accomplish complex task efficiently, baking soda ruins both anodes and cathodes very fast
I've seen where stainless steel creates hexavalent chromium toxins; another U.K. contributor says not to worry. Can the sodium hydroxide be in liquid form as in bottled drain cleaners?
Fred C Dobbs not sure and your are correct about the hexavalent chromium
He is using washing soda (sodium carbonate) and not baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)
Great video, This process works by line of sight so adding another anode will clean both sides. Using graphite will eliminate the crud build up when using steel for an anode. Be sure to clean off the anode for best results.
Thanks for airing the video I think we're going to do this as a science project for kids
+James High Thanks for watching
mr eye you are the bomb love all you'r work and especially you'r hot air engine builds, you sure do a fantastic job and very nice . Your number one sub.
+Juan Smit Thanks
Hello Tubalcain Montresor says in the 1962 movie adaptation of The Cask of Amontillado called "The Black Cat" "The vaults are insufferably damp. They are encrusted with NITRE . Let us go, nevertheless".......Nirtre, or potassium nitrate, is a mineral deposit sometimes left on damp walls underground, as in cellars, caves, or basements. As Montresor > (Peter Lorre ) leads Fortunato > (Vincent Price) deeper and deeper into the wine cellar/crypt, he calls his attention to it. in the Movie based on Edgar Allan Poe's short story The Cask of Amontillado for all those who were curious as to Tubalcains reference to "NITRE" at @2:56
Thank you! You saved me a Google search!
You sure simplified this ! I just built one out of a 5 gallon bucket with 6 pieces of #5 rebar drilled and bolted around the perimeter of the bucket, all tied together with copper wire. It’s nice but I’m now thinking overkill !!
You can use Zink anodes that you put on your boat instead of a steel plate.
Works great.
Your a great teacher, I enjoyed this very much, Thank You!!!
Thanks for watching.
you know ,,,,i love this guy ,,,he reminds me of my grandfather ,and all the other interesting guys ive met through my life ,,,he talks sense and not safety gone mad ,,,by all those new guys ,who cant do anything anyway ,,,rgds ,,,
Me too, I would like to work under him for a summer.
great video made even better with Vincent Price reference. Thank you.
Thanks for watching
amazing video sir. i admire your work so far.
Thank you very much
Very informative. Thank you from Australia.
Can't beat the electrolysis! I have some parts in the 48qt cooler that I made and works nicely!!!
Did I catch that you were called " Pete", forgive me if I'm wrong .......Love your very informative videos and your very lucky wife to have married a gentleman with great humour and engineering interesting skills!. I hope you are keeping well and you are still putting out videos. The way things used to be was great in the old days without all the fuss and regulations as you said. I am currently restoring, cleaning with electrolysis and citric acid my front suspension strut on my Fiat with" Dang" Koni expensive suspension in the Competizione 595/ 2013 and will be fitting new strut tops with bearings. The cost of a new strut and spring is very expensive and restoring with the citric acid and electric battery charger bath will save a lot of money with the cost of these Ferrari overpriced parts for this little pocket rocket.
All the best from a fan in Northern Ireland United Kingdom........Go easy with the hydrogen in the basement, as you said "The Hindenburg airship"......or hopefully just a tickle of a cough with the fumes, and some sneezing! Great show...we think it's very natural when your on-air and only getting a few minutes to enjoy your hobby now, and with respect, your wife is looking for you, and by her tone, she has had enough of all this" TH-cam thingy stuff" as there is more important stuff she needs to be done immediately!
All the best from Jonathan and keep well both of you.
Thank you very much for a great comment
niter is used to make gunpowder and glass
aka saltpeter or potassium nitrate,
efflorescence ( the white powdery growth on concrete)
this is good to know...i did a similar job with coins i found buried in the ground..not so good tried vineagar also still no good...but it was fun finding money and neat to build the rust remover thank you mrpete222
water displacement -40 Thanks Tool Kane your the man , pops!!
Yep
Thanks for sharing. Very instructive.
I'm having a try rite now it's been in about 53 mins so far I'm excited
Tyler w Thanks for watching--have fun
It worked better than I expected. Thank you I enjoy watching all of your videos
Great video. Probably going to have to make use of this in the near feature to see if I can restore some of those things which the other rust remover solvents haven't been able to do as well as I'd hoped.
Merry Christmas.
+ILGopher Thanks for watching
Hi,Great video and very good teaching. I will try the method you explained. Thank you !!!!