DMT Entities, Carl Jung's Mysticism, and Ancient Wisdom | Alexander Beiner
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- Author, consciousness explorer and co-founder of @RebelWisdom , Alexander Beiner returns to the mind meld!
Alex is the author of The Bigger Picture, executive director of Breaking Convention and co-founder of one of my favorite youtube channels, Rebel Wisdom.
Alex also participated in a groundbreaking study at Imperial College London, in which, participants were given extended-state, high-dose, intravenous DMT. His experiences, as you’ll hear, were profound, alien and life-changing. In this one, we also riff on the importance of balancing intellectual , non-propositional (experience-based) knowing, wielding numerous philosophical lenses Carl Jung's mysticism, ancient wisdom, consciousness, and much more.
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Great conversation guys. I’ve had a fascinating life, agnostic Psychedelic experiences 15-19 (80 trips) turned radical Christ follower at 19, full blown believer/preacher for years, drifted from “the Way”, kind of unraveled my life, double downed in 30s to the Bible, deep study into ancient texts (Hebrew/Koine Greek, some of the top unknown minds in Christ followership…) then last 5 years again, somewhat drifted from that way, yet still a strong believer… and have done almost every altered state experience over the past 5 years. I feel these experiences brought me closer to God, to love, to sign posts pointing me back to the Way. I’ve expected to have darker experiences, but it’s been very enlightening and mostly very loving and full of gratitude and healing.
I believe psychedelics are bringing us into a 4th dimension of the spiritual realm. Anyway, no real point was just inspired to share my experience, as I don’t think many people have gone to the depths of Christianity that I have, really, and also the depths of mind altered states. I’m not sure they can co-exist together, or are needed to find truth/love/hope etc.. but personally, they have helped me work through some treacherous losses in my life and make sense of my place in this world. Cheers.
Thank god I’m not the only one who’s went down this path.
Ex Pentecostal here xD
Gods used psychedelics to completely reveal “ the kingdom” in which he speaks of in the scriptures a lot of the people in the church walls have never actually seen the kingdom in its geometric beauty but yet here we are.
He gives us the leaves for the healing of the nations. I think he’s using plant medicine to reveal the true spiritual world to us.
I took mushrooms and used smoke and mirrors with candles and once I entered into a meditative state a voice appeared and was talking to me and a lot of things happened but I was shown what seemed to be Christ through the eyes of someone else back in time and I’ll never forget just how beautiful he was like I can’t put into words and my brain can’t even keep that memory because it was too much I try not to think about it too much I’m more of a it’s not what happened it’s who it happened to guy and I’m all about being present and living in the moment and not bringing the past back but man oh man just once I want people to see
I can't put it into words either but I understand the sentiment. Not even the dramatic landscapes in nature I've seen in my life compare to the moment everything clicked in my head and I beheld his divine beauty with renewed eyes.
Beauty is such a clumsy and insufficient word to describe the experience of beholding him.
good for you
Thanks for sharing
The Transcendental Object at the End of Time pulls us inexorably to collectively tickle the algorithm 👁🙏👁
I adore this 🫶
What a stupendous statement. THANKYOU for this experience of utter delight.
That’s fire my friend!!!! ❤
You mean that the universe is consciousness experiencing itself subjectively?
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I've only done dmt a handful of times, and I made and administered Aya by myself once.
Under the Aya, I learned that I have to love myself before I can meet and accept the love of the universe. And I was given flashbacks to my childhood to start me on the path of self-love.
Most of those memories explained why I felt so unlovable, and one very special memory showed me a moment when I felt very loved by my grandmother. The gift of that one moment is that it triggers a long list of moments when she made me feel loved.
that’s so wonderful
@cathithomas2888 Thanks! I 💯 did it to have a breakthrough, but afterward I was genuinely not upset that there was no breakthrough. I just know the day will come, but I'm learning more how to enjoy the moment and not keep worrying for some future that either will never come or just won't feel as good as I thought it would.
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@@zengrenouille As someone who microdose psilocybin mushrooms I would suggest starting out with an experienced guide. I microdose on my own - but it was only after I learned to sit with it and dose them from my local provider.Everybody responds differently and dosages have dramatically different outcomes.
I had an experience with them and this was possible because my local provider
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It's been 3 years since I tripped on DMT, can't find a plug anywhere in my area. Back then, We used one of those vaporizers with the big bags. The first time I didn't do enough and I just seen shapes and colours. But the second time I managed to get another hit in before I got the light headed. I remember floating above the country side flying and then all of a sudden I zoomed down into a deer and went right inside of it and I was the veins and the blood and flowing through this deers body. It was very strange lol
The hallucinations you get from DMT looks as real as what you perceive to be real, it's so beautiful and almost unbelievable because I didn't know it was humanly possible to experience something like that.
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The experience I had is unexplainable it's out of the world, it got my mind of anxiety and healing prosperities of DMTand other psychedelic products are underrated, you don't have to be skeptical about the use of psychedelic products like magic mushroom and more, you'll get clarity and an open mind
Wanna try, but keep being told I can't do it alone for the first time but I'd literally be so much more comfortable alone
You talked about the cosmos being a living being. Ever since I was little, which was a long time ago, I imagined us on earth being part of a cell in some huge being. I would bring this up to people and they would look at me like "what are you smokin'?" Come on now, it may have been the 1970's, but I was 7.
I like it
Children have abilities that are shut down, you have a gift. Open it back up and look at it💫
Same!!! We're a cell in some larger being's brain....or something like that.
Nah you’re right tho. We are in and of the universe. Not separate from it. In the same way our blood cells are in and of us. How could consciousness arise at all if it’s not an inherent part of the universe already?
The universe is probably conscious as a whole. And everything in the universe is probably conscious to a degree
Same!
The way these two gents discuss their thoughts on the psychedelic experience is a breath of fresh air. Extremely relatable experiences and share similar point of views.
I've recently smoked 5meodmt. Prior to that I've done psilocybin a few times. After that profound experience, all the spiritual work that ive done in the past finally has context... I now know what we are... ill be attending a vippassana retreat soon... to do real inner scientific work... my heart is opening, God Bless you guys
Bro that stuff is demonic and you probably invited demons into your life don’t let the enemy fool you do some research what your doing is so wrong
I love Alex Grey's artwork, because expressed exactly what I saw with my psychedelic experiences. I believe people are having very similar experiences, and is very exciting to hear that there may be tests made to prove this.
That orb flying by was actually kinda nuts
There was another one going up at 1:07:48 when he was talking about deamons and youtube comment dudes and their certainty
The orb was so awesome, thanks for slowing it down and showing it again, wow you got some eagle eyes on you Michael! Superb
Dust exists...
Fascinating convo.. thank you for sharing! Vervaeke’s most recent interview with Vivian Dittmar connects beautifully with this.
Finally, an intelligent dialog of neuroscience based mysticism. Best wishes
Thank you 🙏
thanks y'all, thanks, Michael, for all of your consistent goodies.
"like a chattering cat looking at the window of eternity"
Great guest, great conversation, one of the best I have heard about this fascinating subject. And got a whole book list to read now
Really liked this episode- thx guys!
Thanks for touching on psychedelics and Christianity. It was hard for me to work through those cognitive biases, and I still struggled with it every time I take a psychedelic plunge. I used to associate my anxiety with the devil/demons tormenting me. I used Christianity as a tool to ease the anxiety. I became very OCD with religious rituals.
You used Christianity as a tool ?? Brother you are so lost for even saying that you think God is something you can use at your convenience if that’s the case I suggest you do something else cuz that’s pretty evil thinking what’s wrong with you man?
This was so rich and wonderful. I smiled and laughed through much of it, and at times my heart was singing. Thank you both very much.🙏❤
Love to hear that and thank you!
excellent stuff. thank you
Some where I heard a quote from Jung saying”Thank goodness I am Jung and not a Jungian”
Jung was a deep student of Eastern " psychological philosophy ". This saying of Jung, as well as many others, was attributed to the Buddhas saying, as follows : " if you meet the Buddha on the road-kill him! " Much of Jung's work was based on Eastern Thought, although many would be scholars were not aware of this. A prime example of this is his work, on what he refers to as the " collective consciousness " , which in the Vedas is called " A!ayavajnaya " which may also be translated to " stored consciousness ". Jung ,Baynes and Wilhelm were, and are still unmatched in their work of bringing understanding of Eastern philosophical psychology to the western mind. Go in peace grasshoppers !
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Love your channel and online presence(memes over at IG). Keep up the fantastic work helping to expand our collective consciousness! Thank you!
Appreciate you thank you!
❤😍 thanks!! So cool info!
Great convo!
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Gratz on the 50k!
Love the perspectives ❤
Really great episode. I loved Alexander’s book, and his discussions on DMTx. This is a great addition. If I make it to Imperial, I hope to meet him someday! Thanks for the great content as usual.
Hearing about the shadow work reminds me of a quote.
“If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” - aleksandr solzhenitsyn
And that line he’s talking about can shift within us many time over the course of our life.
The shadow side has its purpose. Sometimes it’s there for a season, sometimes it’s there for survival, sometimes it’s there for a lesson, and many other reasons and uses. But it’s in all of us. And that’s terrifying to a lot of people because deep down we know the one thing we can’t escape is ourselves.
I make my art evil so I don’t have to be.
When you don't love yourself for any plethora of reasons, it is mindlessly easy to commit 'evil' deeds
Thank you for helping me engage in and probably catalyzing my active lens shopping brother ⚡
Your videos are so amazing thank you!!!❤❤❤
super interesting video. Thanks so much for all your hard work and gifted insight you bring to the world!
Great show and guest. I think you will thoroughly enjoy having a conversation with Jason Reza Jorjani.
This is my favorite channel and has inspired me to upload myself
Absolutely love to hear that
My name is Jentry, You are so correct about the deep and speaking to spirits and the healing leading to evolution. It's also about understanding things from other perspectives. I've been in the deep knowingly since 2018.
Synchronicity is an ever present reality for those who have eyes to see ~said that little orb flawlessly flying in at the perfect time. Great talk as usual !
Haha that was pretty wild
Synchronicity have been in my life since 2010. It’s nice i
you got my sub ! Whatta cool naut Alex is - big love to a great fearless mind !
Thank you and welcome friend!
Excellent content, as ever.
Big love my friend. Thanks for always leaving that positivity!
@@THIRDEYEDROPS You are *More* than welcome. Credit where it's due. Simply put : your podcast is top calibre for the topics you focus on. I think you're right to push forward on T-shirt merch by the way. But I also think that the humourous tees should be centred around the humour, slang, terminology etc that you've created around your podcast/channel. Definitely don't bother with any Trump adjacent merch. You were right about that. Your work is original, my friend, let any further merch reflect that. Just my opinion ultimately, though.
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Keep it going dude awesome show is mint keep probing
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I love how this conversation goes so into the explanation of having to frame to look through or it's pure chaos when you peeled the veil! I see things through a spiritual lense which was very crazy for me because I wasn't spiritual at all I started experiencing these psychedelic experience before I did ayahuasca. I didn't realize I was mystic at my core makes sense why I love Carl jung But I've been challenging my beliefs lately and wanting to know more research I do believe tho this was a synchronicity. I do shadow work regularly and I am a medium 💕💕 thank you for this amazing conversation.
I've been doing Ayahuasca for over two years monthly, and prior to that, I was doing heroic dosages of mushrooms. After piercing the Veil and at the pinnacle of self-realization, we will discover there's nothing in this Universe except you. The experience is so profound! From that point on, you've literally crossed the river of change. Having those repetitive experiences allows us to integrate it into our everyday lives. Enjoy the ride.♾️
Jesus
Je is us
Hebrew writes it Yeus
Ye means we
We is us mind blowing the great I am
This comment reminded me of Alan Watts. The Universe is you! It's us. We are all one.
AMAZING!!!! Pile 2 & 3. I felt an urge for 1 but skipped it but I did get the message of the “mother” thank youuuuu❤❤❤❤❤ YOU SPIRITUAL BADDIE😍
54:45 - “a chattering cat looking at the window of eternity” is my favorite description of glossolalia I’ve ever heard 😂😂😂
Glossolalia is an interesting experience.
Haha. It’s like the equivalent of vocalized soul shivering or something.
Babies do it all the time. They understand more with less.
Can't wait
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I tried dmt few years ago,few times, the thing is longer the time goes what i experienced there becomes more real as a memory of something very special.
It came to my life when i was most confused about world, when i needed answers , it showed me what its all about and than left my life like never existed before, and its just a memory wich more and more im identifyng as regular reality, what i mean by this is what we experiemcing here in this reality, anxiety, fear, love, loneliness, happiness, sadness everything comes from same place and same energy, only thing is its translated from there into bodys, into emotions, into words and nature. We create this just for us, just to experience everything. We pretend to forget we are one because its how its supposed to be. From that stillnes we wanted to experience movement. But we always go back to ourselves
I am a CMO of a marketing agency but I am seriously contemplating starting my own channel. I have some experiences that would qualify me for being on one of these kind of shows. Especially what happened to me a month ago. I couldn't make what happened to me up in my wildest dreams "It did 'involve' dreams." The thing is I'm sitting on this all with this nagging feeling that I need to find a way to share it. More will be revealed ...
Not a big deal
Well I have to triple comment because thhs one is really important. He mentioned "white noise static but also colorful" about what the DMT space is without his overlay. He's describing exactly what I see all the time. I see what sorta looks like "snow" on an old CRT tv without a signal, but it's colorful in a way but it's also not colorful at the same time. I see it with my eyes opetor closed. It's like I have an "overlay" as well but it's transparent. I can still see everything else but I also see the "static" noise too. When i close my eyes I can often see patterns come out of the "snow" that look remarkably like the geometrical patterns you see in DMT art. Sometime I se faces as well. A face will pop out and will morph into other faces.
I'm of the opinion that the DMT space is very real and I also think it's possible to go there without DMT. Hope it doesn't sound like I'm tooting my own horn but I think I have some "switch" that's somehow flipped within me that is letting me see this place and just a tiny bit of the DMT space at thw same time. Seriously I've been telling people about the "tv snow" for years now and this guy described what I see.
I would like to say that the peyote experience is so powerful and beautiful!! I totally recommend it. St Louis Potosi the desert in Mexico is the magic place..
Will be watching this a second time today, thank you!
Ahhh. You're familiar with the "Tricksters"? Fascinating...
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I danced with hundreds of insectheaded 10 feet tall humanoids👍łn a gigantic spacestation disco , true story, the music was a strange very trance techno beautiful LOUD , just so fun , the oneliners those dude flaunted made cramp up in laughter , and 5 minuts later , i was send back into my apartment .... I effing love that spice 😂❤
Experimenting with a 5meo/salvianorin blend, is a very complementary mix
Hi, i just found your video, so please forgive my newbie question. My daughter is struggling. She is an alcoholic and has ptsd along with other mental undiagnosed challenges. She has dealt with these challenges far too long and won't seek help because she has to go to the VA. I've been thinking about her going to a therapy with psychedelics but i don't know where to begin and cant afford a fancy retreat center. Where can i go to get her help like this?
See if there is a ketamine clinic in your area. It really helped my son with his depression, anger and anxiety. It's not cheap, but he had pretty major breakthroughs after only a few sessions.
If she's messed up in this realm ..I suggest not opening the dmt realm ...psilocybin micro dose for sure will help .
Look into IFS - Internal Family Systems. It's a psychotherapeutic modality that's often used in psychedelic therapy.
Hello, I’m a DMT virgin, this whole thing is intriguing. I’ve had plenty of shrooms, acid and mdma experiences but I need to experience this at least once.
I’m an atheist, but the fact that half of the atheists who have had a dmt experience have changed their view.
Does anyone know if a blind person has shared their DMT experience? That would be very interesting.
I looked into that after 2 breakthroughzzzz if blind from birth no visuals....
If blinded later in life.... visuals
That's what I'd read after some searching ✌️
1:06:10 - you’ll have to tell me more about this CSF chamber thing. I just wrote a bunch about CSF and DMT experiences, but didn’t come across what you’re discussing.
This thing is, to investigate it this way is not to discount the experience, or to make it boring. It’s just for science to find a mechanism and then continue the search. The CSF bit may literally be part of the experience. If it can be seen, played with, investigated, utilized, etc., why not find out? If your frame is that it’s boring, then sure, it’ll be boring, or it’ll be sci-fi, or it will be prophetic. Your call. It can be framed as a truth claim too, but that’s conjecture placed on others often. People are more often proposing a hypothesis, or theory, with fervor.
I stumbled into shadow work as well, but didn't know about what that is until after the fact. For me it happened when I stopped taking depression and anxiety medication. It seemed soul killing, and turned me into a zombie. I threw it all away and quit cold turkey. My brain freaked out and my mind went threw a very unpleasant "shattering". I got threw it by, metaphoricly, picking up and examining all of the pieces. That's when I started to examine my thought processes, and inner voice. I learned that I have a lot of protective love that I've never received from others. Since I had childhood truama it manifested in a rather toxic way, but when analyzed I came to understand it came from a place of self tough love. It was actually pushing me to improve and scolding me when I do self destructive things. It's like having a toxic uncle that isn't very nice but would 100% go to prison for you. Lol
The reason why people think they’re dying on DMT is because they are accessing fifth and sixth level density consciousness fifth density is non-physical, which is spirit level consciousness so people think they are dying because they are entering a frequency of spirit
It takes some time to develop a sight or sense of those levels. Like a baby using their eyes and building that mind model.
“Make the Demiurge Good Again” 😅
I’d wear that.
P sure they found it being made there but also other places, if i remember where i saw it, I'll post
This is brilliant. I’m a new fan boy!
I hypothesise that the spine stem and spinal fluid is heavily involved with the production on DMT (I believe it’s been proved to be found there)
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Speculate that this is why the sensation of kundalini energy comes here, starting at the base and moving up. Eventually terminating at... the pineal gland.
Not necessarily the producer, but the final destination. Where DMT then off boards and interacts with your brain
Just a thought 😊
Welcome my friend. Who knows, certainly not I!
Me neither mate haha
I also realise you mentioned basically the same thing moments after I commented haha
Well if you think about everything physical being a reflection of more subtle layers of manifestation, then thats where you have the terms of the sushumna, Ida & Pingala channels of energy flow. The spinal column being the main energy channel just like the sushumna, albeit in physical terms and effects rather than etheric/subtle energy.
Love it brother!!! Thaaaank you!!!
I appreciate the question Michael suggested to Alexander about asking the DMT entity about its astral appearance.
Is there a singular place where the community can learn more about the experiences of the participants and offer our own insights and suggestions for future trips?
It not, perhaps there should be one. If there needed to be a paywall, maybe a portion could be donated to decriminalizing this medicine.
There is a website called erowid that logs users' experiences with not only DMT but all substances and provides many educational resources.
I've done copious amounts of d m t. I just got done doing some. It doesn't matter how much i take anymore. I don't trip. I remain extremely focused and I vibrate...my dogs go crazy i have to lock them up. I use a geek vape set to 17 watts on an e-mesh. Perfect hit every time. Anyone else that hits it once instantly blasts off. I also have done harmaline with pharmauyasca or dmt fumerate. Also vaped a lot while on oral dmt and it just gives me an energy surge.
OMG...during an extra profound awakening (unassisted by chemical enhancements), I had a large geometric orb visit that touched my energy field, and I've always wondered if anyone else has ever experienced one!
Little orb seems like the most reasonable hypothesis at this point😂
I've never heard of any account of truly novel information or insight given by these entities. Aside from some vague or at least very human personal insights clearly related to the individual's experience. This makes me skeptical about the possibility of them being mind independent.
That being said, still very interesting and still much left to be discovered.
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47:00 - I experience these as well, and did in dreams as a child. I had one LSD trip in particular which was only a body trip for the first four hours, but then I had DMT and there were these objects innumerable. I believe I have since figured out what they are.
So, are you saying that the results of these experiments are synonymous with the concept of Qualia?
You talk about the differences between DMT and NDE's. Just wondering if homogeneous DMT in Humans or Mammals is also NN-DMT or a different kind? Just thinking because as you mention 5MEO has different effects.
1:23:45 - This is where I’m coming from in all my crazy comments, btw. I am a long-form writer and playwright in the end. Well said that you become a better storyteller and mythologist. I was raised under the lense of one of those peak individuals.
It is interesting to note that children have no sense of "I" before the age of 18 to 24 months. This fact somehow fits in well with your interesting discussion. Thank you.
All this mental illness labels or psychological reminds me of the Brice Willis movie, Unbreakable. Very good movie about this topic hermano, i recommend it.
The way he describes not understanding or relating to people growing up is exactly how I've always felt, and still do.
There are millions
1:02:39 I was met by my fathers presence after taking DMT and feeling as though I had a NDE ...obviously from the DMT ....when I landed I was balling like a baby and reaching up to the sky as though I was trying to hold on ...and all I felt was I had to let go but didn't want to 😢
34:58 i wish hed see this cuz i have a question: did you entities not get upset with you for the music(basically trying to help inducing it) i tried that one night and i swear i opened my eyes to something hivering over me looking me up down side to side and push the feeling of like" what are you doing, your dping this all wrong, just tale my hand" at that point i was carried up through different realms ...thats another story 😅
Andrew Gallimore would fund thus conversation of value. Thanks for the insights.
These are two quotes that I typed out from after reading Catafalque that might kinda relate to the DMT experience:
"There are some situations, though, where no amount of explaining is going to make any difference-will ever be enough."
"Ambiguity has been well and truly excluded, drowned out by the voice of rationality-by what Jung liked to describe as the 'petty reasoning mind, which cannot endure any paradoxes". Or at least this is what rationalists choose to think. But what they forget is that originally ambiguity and paradox were an integral, essential feature of real logic: of the sacred logic, which always stands untouched although savaged by their reasoning."
In this temporary reality...
I wish Alex talked more about his DMTx experiences
There’s a whole other pod we did where he talks about it more. His book is also definitely worth a look.
39:22 interesting he says he was pulled up after i left my first comment stating how i was pulled up....when i reached what felt like the end of where i was going i was looked down on what i can recall was 3 or 4 beings.i think 3 ..looking me over in a state of emergency like feeling like something was wrong and i felt as though they where saying like theyre fixing what wrong or they gotta fix whats wrong ...then i started feeling as though i was falling from space crahing back down through what ever i originally broke through going upward ..at one point infelt like i grab a hold of and edge of something ..at that point i was met by the origional entity again and it felt like it was trying to grab me but could stop me from slipping into free fall again...then finally i felt like i crashed into my body amd i felt broken like i crashed down to earth and couldnt move and then slowelt moment by moment I could slowly move my arm then my hand ..then the gasping breath of being back hit me ....i have another experience where i was met by my father and felt like i was with family
"You can go your own way"
I think I had 1.5yr of low level PTSD after 1 5meo experience. Proceed with great caution. Its a collasal and profound.... eh... um.. I don't know what it is! 🤯 (You wll need to get to work after it) 🙂
Nndmt always feels like my body wants to go into cardiac arrest .. the whole experience gets taken over by that.
Wait Jung met his soul??
I did too. On DMT. What I can only describe as my soul. The animating force. I also met it in another person. Very familiar but couldn’t understand it. And also tons of wild synchronicities around that time and still having them and they seem to have that “non causal connection” to the twin flame journey. I recognized her by how she moves and how she moves WITH me. Idk if that makes sense. It came with a complex feeling of Deja vu
The word “twin flames” is a topic most people don’t want to entertain or learn about. From the outside looking in, it appears to be a toxic bubble of delusion but there’s much more in it. It’s complicated
All this shadow work and revealing unconscious and all this inner work comes as a byproduct of the twin flame journey. Then pairing that with psychedelics and understanding Jung completely transforms the psychedelic experience.
There's a game plan to this complicated existence, it's just way behind our knowledge level to even come close to decipher!
How does one even get to the point of doing things like extended state DMT in a study?
crew trime lol 6:32
I heard somehere opposed to the pineal gland theory that if the brainwaves in both hemisphers synchronise, that's when we have changed states of consciousness, so possibly a brain DMT release from that? Before i did psychedelics i learnd to astral project at night and i feel like that has something to do with brainwaves. The vibration that preceeds the projection starts in my feet and goes through my body to my brain. After one good mushroom trip i had astral projection that night and the vibrations went extremly quickly from my feet into my brain and it made like a "DING!" sound in my brain. Like it was charged, synchronised and prepared to operate. So there might me something to the idea, if brain DMT has something to do with astral projection that is.... i don't know. Astral world isn't like the DMT world at all (from what i heard i didn't do DMT yet) but maybe it depends on the dose the brain makes and other chemical mix in there. A good mushroom trip does help the brain to have astral projection more often though so that is somehow connected.
1:02:00 - The reason DMT and NDEs are found to be dissimilar in this manner is because DMT isn’t a moment of dying, so it skips that step in the process. We breakthrough and get what comes after; though just as he said when the veil is lifted with no framework, we get chaos. We are still alive, so the DMT experience beyond the veil is littered with all the chaotic options on offer, in lieu of one framed by a life which has just ended a very unique phase with its own unique framework. There are many frames. Bubbles in bubbles shining variations on the theme of light and shadow.
I "only" did Ayahuasca and was surrounded by 3 humanoid creatures, who behaved and felt curious/ ver interesting, like they where probing me.those on my left and right where observing only, the one in front of me was communicating, he was formed by partially transparant balls, each ball had things in them going on, some had views of a galaxy, some looked like a movie with people talking to each other, others where like a view of people walking on a trainstation, some where nature, microcosm, etc. When I looked into them it was as if I was being pulled into it, so I tried to because I thought "woah, these are portals". But the being constantly directed my attention to other balls he wanted to show me, and so he did, these balls where about my life and how I was behaving destructively and how I judged people living "normal" lives while letting me feel into their lives wich where much more living then I did at the time, I was in a period of disassociated non participant, I was living by choice like a spectator, because I felt every action could be contributing to this vast prison system of ego suffering, this fear aggregate wich I feel like fuels something potentially non benevolent, the being taughted me that non participating is also participating and showed me in these balls one by one what kind of good things I Could have done and my non participating was just a mind construction to obfuscate the FEAR of making the wrong choices, and that I did not even was practicing non participation but hedonism.
That was a pretty bad trip, but the confrontation was life changing in a good way because it put me on a path of following Yeshuah's teaching and try to shed as much self illusionary ego as I can without becoming totally disfunctional.
You guys are talking about you want an objective model for a subjective world, reality is mental, there is no usefull objective world, you also fall into dogma, science is also imbued with dogma. You need to use a subjective model to navigate in a subjective world.
Mindfullness and keeping the shadow on a leash, dont feeding it but being capable of absolute brutality when its needed. Like we need to use the shadow only for self defence,😊😊
By the way, I'm considered a heretic by Christians,
Good insight bro, I also think that the dissolving of your ego has tremendous Affect on how your trip unfolds you can really look at yourself almost from some other persons, viewpoint and see it clearly! because ego is a bad bad thing, at least my experience
I took 3g of golden teacher mushrooms for the first time recently. No experience with psychedelics before that. I went into the experience with saying I’m willing to see whatever I need to see. As it turned out the experience could only be described as very weird. Kind of emotionless and impersonal or reptilian is another way I thought of it. I continued to say “I trust you” to the medicine or myself but felt as though I had nothing to take away from the experience. Is this also common with psychedelic experiences?
Weird in what way?
@@Peter7966 thanks Peter. It was very abstract and non-emotional. It was similar to when a drank a whole bottle of cough syrup when I was a teenager. I decided to wear a blind fold through most of it. My sense of hearing was extremely heightened which was interesting. Overall it was a very impersonal experience. A lot of sweating and needing to move my body around. I also found it comfortable to make ‘Ohm’ humming sound with my vocals. I guess I felt a little bit disappointed because I imagined it would be some sort of intelligent interaction with my higher self or the medicine but maybe that’s my ego having that expectation.
@@jamespound5518 Psychedelic experiences can run the gamut. I've had ho-hum non-experiences and wild high-dose psychedelic-types, seeing a fractal world with my eyes wide open. Each time can be very different. You might consider upping the dose to 4-5 grams. If you do go higher, make sure you have someone around who can be with you if things get dicey. Probably the biggest challenge I always encounter is surrendering to the experience, whatever it is, even if it's boring, or worse, dark.
@@jamespound5518 have more experiences. Development of that sense takes time.
Crue trime?
If you’re serious about the questions you ask reach out.
I had a NDE that took me to the darkness.
I was not fearful of anything. Actually, I said how "cool" this trip was.
This happened after I realized I was dead of course.
But before I came back.
There was this weird, hard to explain, plasma energy like liquid flowing in from......somewhere.
I have not heard of anyone else with the exact same experience.
Darkness, yes, but....not the crazy plasma energy liquid.
Anyone out there experience the same ???
Interesting!
@@THIRDEYEDROPS
To say the least.....
It was an experience of a life time.
No punt intended.
With that experience. It led me to study and research consciousness and this "reality"....
When one realizes who, and what, one truly is.
Then their true reality will begin...
I had only peaceful darkness. It was very beatiful.
@@1hitwoon99
I know what you mean. Same here.
Brings me back to scripture....
"In the beginning....darkness" !!!
Not that I'm religious. I did want to be a pastor at one time years ago. Until I read the entire bible for myself. And half the library.
Definitely lies and illusions in this "reality". If that's the word to use ?
When one realizes just who and what they truly are....
Thank you for your comment.
Peace to you ...
Like a baby?
❤
Nothing beats the natural "DMT" that the pineal gland can create. Should do a study on that.
Did you shift?
Twice now I’ve had moments in your conversation that had me frustrated because you’re talking about the phenomenon of what death and integral life experiences are all about and it keeps striking me that you’re not talking with women or discussing the philosopher’s who are. It’s a glaring hole in the topic and it’s also exactly what you’re referring to when you’re trying to get a grip on intermediary relationships between the real world and the spiritual realms.
As a scholar of this subject I have so many thoughts and experiences that I know would advance this conversation and it is inherently hairpullingly difficult to be a passive listener and not bring this up. I don’t think it’s on purpose but it’s the sad norm of philosophical debate that still, to this day, keeps missing out on the absolute gold mine of female experience and embodied knowledge.
For example, for our species especially, it’s the female phenotype that is the original psychopomp. This is always being looked at from the end points (perhaps, probably not) of death or NDE’s and never once are women’s experiences of birth and dual personhood for a significant amount of time ever brought up.
The fact is that nothing else is so critical for everyone’s existence in this life we all get than being born and the journey of the mother is not just a physical process but a mental and spiritual journey to and then back from the cusp of life and death to bring one more soul into being. Talk about shamanic states, it seems incredibly similar to what occurs during transition and how the mother must decide at some point that she will die in some transcendental fashion in order to give birth and it is at this point the final stages of labor begin. I have been through this twice and each time there was a point where I had to choose to trust the process even if I didn’t make it back across that bridge and yet choose to take that walk anyway. Luckily I made it back successfully with both of my children, who were brand new beings from somewhere else.
This existential component of pregnancy and labor is not only physically necessary for all of our lives and continuation as a species, but in the western world especially, this extremely human interaction and embodiment of the spiritual has been utterly gutted, sanitized and completely subjugated by an extremely male, extremely patronizing medical tradition that sees women as other and is even more afraid of this part of our biological system.
You don’t need to look much further than what has happened with Roe to see the effects of this fear, but this projected terror is hammered into all women to mistrust their intuition and bodies and end up with a fear of the entire pregnancy and labor process. It is well documented.
My studies have shown a very different aspect of this process which is very shamanistic, very directly spiritual as we literally make all new people who must enter the world through our bodies, and also something akin to the psychedelic experiences that I’ve had in terms of how it immediately connects us after having a baby to all other people and creatures. It did for me anyway. I’ve always thought the reason men climb mountains or start wars is because they don’t completely understand the immense difficulty of bringing just one new person into being. Theoretically there may be understanding however the embodied experience of doing so is something that is lacking in cultural awareness, actively discouraged by medicine, and absolutely holds many missing dimensions of this question of “Who are we?”
So, just a little bit of my frustration and ugh has been relieved by expressing this, I hope you take it to heart. Not a criticism but the extension of one more corner of this square that’s been missing from traditional philosophical circles for way too long. ❤ Hera
What if consciousness resides in the magnetic or quantum field that’s generated by biological/electrical current rather than residing in the electrical current of the brain or body itself. To me, that makes the most sense.
@StephenHarrison-vl3wj I live close to Oakland where I can just walk in and buy it from a store
THE SHADOW
Exactly, i think it is in your head AND outside at the same time. Like something there and outside of us already but appears to us in a way we can comprehend.
Mathematically, the 4D would exist around and through the 3D. It feels kind of like you’re entering that space
Or like how we comprehend it is like a moving inkblot test
Curiosity is the only thing separating humans from their godhood.
Speaking of tree growth strategies... Seems like us modern humans have made the decision to do the fast growth plan, with our science and technology pushing our economies, societies and cultures to adapt or else. Psychedelics seem to be part of this in some way, at least in the west. It is hard to find "ground" right now. The compass is spinning. Hopefully our incredible growth spurt is wise. Me thinks a late spring hard frost might be on the way. We're due for one.