Is E6 for all “*chrome” positive slide films? I would appreciate your video if you made it…and I might con my mom into giving it a like,sub, and ring the BELL! I am ramping up to start home developing on the cheap and am still struggling to understand all of the developers and what films they were made for. I’m the kind that would learn better if I learn the history of film, and development of these films, in the order they were invented, and all the improvements that were made along the way. Know of any good books like that? I LOVE LOVE LOVE your channel as a fellow ADHD!
@michaeldimmitt2188 well I'm undiagnosed. But I think many people agree I may have some disorder. Idk about books as youtube has taught me everything. And ya e6 is for all modern positive films. It's kinda more finicky than c41 or bw dev processes. So idk if I'd start there. But maybe it's better to start with the toughest. Then it's all downhill from there
That DIY reversal is so cool! I cant imagine how nerve wrecking that much be to pull it out, expose it to light, roll it back up and continue to develop. Super neat!
You don't actually need to unspool the film for the "second exposure" step. With a stainless steel tank or a plastic tank with clear sides, you just hold each side of the reel under or in front of a photoflood for about 30 seconds - this was the published procedure for developing Anscochrome in 1970. (not OVER the bulb - water drips can cause an explosion!)
It really actually isn’t that bad. If you really want then practice on some old c41 film before doing slide. But if you are already comfortable with developing at home then you really shouldn’t worry about it, it’s quite easy.
@@nicklopro lol, I JUST published my first video "attacking" a company and it's making me very nervous (being negative is not our vibe). But it gets the clicks! 🙃 *grabs pitchfork*
@JustinandJess just the fact that I thought to myself "aw crap I gotta know the dirt" "who's he bad mouthing!?". Proved to me that we're all a bunch of tea sipping apes.
As someone whose shot a lot of expired slide in 120, i can tell you that often the overexposed shots look better (probably because it overpowers fog thats been introduced over time). Either way, its always worth bracketing a role if possible, as your video shows. Azrael Knight also made an interesting video on expired slide where he found that increasing developer temp tended to produce better colours (in e6 anyway). worth trying i think. Anyway, Thanks for the video!
The armchair experts on reddit could NEVER imagine taking the time to actually try all these methods. Super valuable information and entertaining as always. This is gonna do numbers on r/analog
I was shocked it worked so well. You're supposed to be able to see a BW neg on the film when you pull it out of the tank to expose it, but it looked blank as heck. SO I thought I messed it all up.
man this is good stuff and its so funny! Great job putting it together. its a whole lot of work but you did it. Seriously awesome work. The chaps in the future will look back at this video and pay their respects.
@AleksandrVerbetsky I'm gonna put a copy of it in a time capsule to be opened in the year 42069. So all those cyborg monstrosities 40 thousand years from now can see how us analog cavemen behaved
Best photography channel hands down. This channel will be the most subbed film photography channel soon. For the love of god please don't stop making videos it'll be a total fuckin waste.
@cgibson7736 that's pretty much what it was. I love it and no complaints, but... content making can feel like a job too. Mama don't let your babies grow up to be tubers
Yeah, I shot a ton of E-Chrome back in the early 80s through the early 00s, along with Fujichrome Provia and Velvia. I typically let the lab guys handle my processing, I just did not have the desire to pursue developing transparencies. Rockin’ your channel, but my film days are for the most part behind me. That said, I still have an Canon F1 with a drive, left over from my wire service days and every so often just to see if I still have “my skills” , I load it up with a roll of Velvia and hit the streets for the nostalgia.
@ I had an A1 in College and it along with the AE-1s had an annoying squeak in the mirror box, still it kept on shooting up until I replaced it with the T-90 in ‘87’. With 40+ year-old cameras, especially any rig with that has been stuffed with electronics, I guess anything made newer than 1985, you really need to have them checked out from top to bottom as parts and repairs are vanishing. Anything mechanical (or mostly mechanical like my F1AE) tend to be tanks, the curtains are the biggest concern
Excellent video and so informative! Definitely blows the “shoot slide film at box speed” out of the water, especially when the expiration date is over 40 years old. Thanks for the ISO tests. Great results when the image is edited! I’m gonna try the tests you did on some of my expired slide film, especially the reversal positive method! Mind blown! Gonna follow Matt Clark for sure! Also shout out to @nolaroid for his pull idea. Thanks for providing so many processing options and testing in your video. So helpful! Thanks Nick!! 🎉❤👍🏻👍🏻. PS: Love the big sigh at the end. It really was a lot of effort to make your video. Nice work buddy! 🇺🇸
Thank you Tony! It was definitely eye opening for me as this was the first time I've ever gone off script with developing film. But now I'm finding out the rabbit hole goes even deeper. Someone , @bikesnotbush, left a comment on here with some intriguing ideas to get even better images. I'd really love to get a more fundamental understanding of how all these chemicals work so I can make more informed decisions when I throw the film in the soup. BTW, love that you noticed the little post credits scene. Its fun to leave an extra easter egg in there at the end of these things.
Here is an idea: cross process, but first dev in a fog reducing hc110 stand development... then fix... then bleach... then redevelop in c41 and let it go for as long as you want..... since you already fixed you can overdevelop anymore than your controlled first dev and you can pull max color frim second color developer... you can even bleach and dev a second time to pull even more color out... and then a final bleach and second fix... you could even use some farmers reducer after first fix and you can-carefully-get more contrast out of that first silver neg
Would Blix work? Or should I get some separate bleach? HMU on insta dude, I'd love to talk shop with ya in DM's. This sounds interesting. I'd love to pull max color and tone info out of this stuff.
I'm happy to tell you, I've craked the Dynamic chrome recipe. For Dynamic Chrome, mix the first developed 2:3 [Dev - 400ml : Water - 600ml] and developed for 13:30 at 104°F. For the reversal and blix steps, just do what the instructions say. I swear to god it works wonderfully. No blue cast, perfect density, neutral white balance, great scanability. It's not some janky 'best option' it's straight up perfectly toned and developed slides.
Was worried there for a sec that you'd go CUCKOO over this! I hope the next video is "can you develop film by slapping it repeaedly" like that chicken thing
@rf8221 I mean... now? Or in general? Idk. When will it be enough? How much internet Stranger validation does one need to feel real joy? Sure I have my health and my sanity. My Sarah and my puppy. But what every man needs to be happy is... mOaR subscribers! 😆 but in all seriousness. Thanks for tuning in.
had one roll of ektachrome 64 which expired in 1984 (ish) once, with regular E6 processing at EI 64 it barely revealed images. not something I would recommend trying. what you did here was certainly more successful but the results are still borderline useless (no offense!) I'd say that all E6 stored under unknown conditions for at least 15 years is most likely shot. fujichrome (incl. velvia, provia, astia) seems to hold up the best still, only shifting to purple but staying mostly useful when scanning and retaining original film speed more or less, but especially the kodak and agfa E6 film of such age is beyond any legitimate use. but that's just my experience! thanks for the interesting video!
I'd say getting wacky unpredictable pictures is a legitimate use. Totally not useless. Only useless film is one that makes no pics. Thanks for tuning in
I’ve got a couple rolls of expired ektachrome lumier from who know when. I think I’ll probably bracket it similar to what you did despite the online wisdom of shoot box speed.
I shot a roll of Ektachrome 64 expired in 1983, that I self-developed in E-6 back in 2019, this was way before the reddit drama, and this video. It's been a long time coming, but I'd recommend using the FPP E-6 kit, instead of Cinestill E-6 kit. That's my opinion anyways.
@@nicklopro It's up to you! There's plenty of TH-cam vids out there that prove that all kits are better than the Cinestill E-6 kit based on the tests and recommendations I've seen.
I've developed a lot of E-6 in my time I will say hc-110 is a better first developer than whatever garbo they supply in the kits. if you make one shot first dev's you easily extend the life of the kit for a maximum of 6 months.
@@nicklopro that's pretty much my work flow. re-exposure didn't seem to affect much so sticking to the color developer is best. I have heard ecn-2 developer has slightly less color shifts but I haven't tested it myself. Tungsten balanced slide film will age the best from my experience. Cross processing ektachrome 64t made it completely lose its blue hue which I found interesting. the absolute worst is probably elitechrome and agfachrome. I've had great luck with fujichromes always
Let me know if you want an in depth vid on e6 development and chemistry.
That would be sick bro i have no clue how e6 process works and all i’ve heard is that it’s stupid complex
Is E6 for all “*chrome” positive slide films? I would appreciate your video if you made it…and I might con my mom into giving it a like,sub, and ring the BELL! I am ramping up to start home developing on the cheap and am still struggling to understand all of the developers and what films they were made for. I’m the kind that would learn better if I learn the history of film, and development of these films, in the order they were invented, and all the improvements that were made along the way. Know of any good books like that? I LOVE LOVE LOVE your channel as a fellow ADHD!
@michaeldimmitt2188 well I'm undiagnosed. But I think many people agree I may have some disorder. Idk about books as youtube has taught me everything. And ya e6 is for all modern positive films. It's kinda more finicky than c41 or bw dev processes. So idk if I'd start there. But maybe it's better to start with the toughest. Then it's all downhill from there
@@raidriar01 doesn't seem too difficult, just more tedious. Kinda wish I had a jobo dev system for more consistent timings and temps
@@nicklopro I have a sous vide in preparation for C-41, and I imagine it will help with other developers to have good temp control.
That DIY reversal is so cool! I cant imagine how nerve wrecking that much be to pull it out, expose it to light, roll it back up and continue to develop. Super neat!
@@Sareidolia I was convinced I messed it all up
Sarah that sounds like a step by step instruction on streaking at a baseball game 😂
You don't actually need to unspool the film for the "second exposure" step. With a stainless steel tank or a plastic tank with clear sides, you just hold each side of the reel under or in front of a photoflood for about 30 seconds - this was the published procedure for developing Anscochrome in 1970. (not OVER the bulb - water drips can cause an explosion!)
It really actually isn’t that bad. If you really want then practice on some old c41 film before doing slide. But if you are already comfortable with developing at home then you really shouldn’t worry about it, it’s quite easy.
Great video. Really cool experimentation! That thumbnail is 10/10.
Thanks Justin! I did a thumbnail test. Of course people liked the dramatic one 😆 🤣 guess I have to attack someone in every video now
@@nicklopro lol, I JUST published my first video "attacking" a company and it's making me very nervous (being negative is not our vibe). But it gets the clicks! 🙃 *grabs pitchfork*
@JustinandJess just the fact that I thought to myself "aw crap I gotta know the dirt" "who's he bad mouthing!?". Proved to me that we're all a bunch of tea sipping apes.
@@nicklopro SPILL 👏 IT 👏
As someone whose shot a lot of expired slide in 120, i can tell you that often the overexposed shots look better (probably because it overpowers fog thats been introduced over time). Either way, its always worth bracketing a role if possible, as your video shows. Azrael Knight also made an interesting video on expired slide where he found that increasing developer temp tended to produce better colours (in e6 anyway). worth trying i think. Anyway, Thanks for the video!
Thanks dude. Sorry I weren't too scientific like Mr knight.
Holy moly!!! I was really curious about the cross processing!! You are the best Nick
Thank you! Next I'd love to xprocess some fresh neg film in positive chems and vice versa!
dude i love these videos. you're such a breath of fresh air in the film photography youtube space
Idk the air smells funny from over here. But thanks dude. Wait... I think I left the oven on. Time for a 🚬
The armchair experts on reddit could NEVER imagine taking the time to actually try all these methods. Super valuable information and entertaining as always. This is gonna do numbers on r/analog
@@lightleakss feel free to rip and repost for the updoots 😆 🤣
That last option using black and white developer blew my mind! Going to have to try this.
I was shocked it worked so well. You're supposed to be able to see a BW neg on the film when you pull it out of the tank to expose it, but it looked blank as heck. SO I thought I messed it all up.
One of the best film youtubers out there, this was so entreteining keep going!!
@manuelriosbridouxn.6296 thanks man! I can't stop. But still... i have all this footage and no plan. Chained to my desk til Thursday. See you then
man this is good stuff and its so funny!
Great job putting it together. its a whole lot of work but you did it. Seriously awesome work. The chaps in the future will look back at this video and pay their respects.
@AleksandrVerbetsky I'm gonna put a copy of it in a time capsule to be opened in the year 42069. So all those cyborg monstrosities 40 thousand years from now can see how us analog cavemen behaved
Man these shots are why I love film. Unpredictably beautiful. I love the portraits where they’re very sharp but grainy at the same time.
Thanks Shawn! I was pleasantly surprised by the cross processed portrait colors.
Absolutely awesome video, I definitely enjoyed this episode and learned quite a few tips!
@vincentgraffeo9030 thanks dude. It kind of hurt my brain being so educational. I'd rather make brain rot 😆 🤣
tons of love for my Italian/American brother
@@albert.rw2 grazie Mille!
The information I never knew I needed! entertaining as always
Thanks Max!
You guys releasing bangers back to back.
@@shawnlennon1947 dynamic duo!
Best photography channel hands down. This channel will be the most subbed film photography channel soon. For the love of god please don't stop making videos it'll be a total fuckin waste.
@@eatenbyopium thanks dude! I plan on going whole hog. All my eggs are in this basket. But I need a better workflow. This one wrecked me
I've been waiting for this! You had some great results! Loved the experimentation on this episode!
Thanks NWD! And thanks for voting on that reel way back when. I was pissed that everyone picked ektachrome, but it turned out to be a fun lil journey.
This video was awesome. 👍
@@elmoonfire thank you!
Amazing work mate. No body packs as much into a video like a LoPresti video 🎉
Thanks slaps! My secret is film way too much then cut it all. Painful editing 101
your editing style is so good lmao
@@DesertPunks thank you! I may dress like an idiot, but at least I have editing styles
That deep breath at the end reminds me of getting in my car after work
@cgibson7736 that's pretty much what it was. I love it and no complaints, but... content making can feel like a job too. Mama don't let your babies grow up to be tubers
The price of expired ektachrome just exploded
@DesertPunks sorry I spilled the beans. No cheap film allowed!
So glad I watched this. Great video!
Thanks Mark!
The Lion photos were my favorite. I always have the lab cross process all my slide film especially very expired rolls.
I'm excited to do more cross processing going forward. Pretty nifty
Yeah, I shot a ton of E-Chrome back in the early 80s through the early 00s, along with Fujichrome Provia and Velvia. I typically let the lab guys handle my processing, I just did not have the desire to pursue developing transparencies.
Rockin’ your channel, but my film days are for the most part behind me. That said, I still have an Canon F1 with a drive, left over from my wire service days and every so often just to see if I still have “my skills” , I load it up with a roll of Velvia and hit the streets for the nostalgia.
Awesome dude, I'd love to snag an F1 someday. The main thing that keeps me from shooting my A1 is the shutter sounds so... whimpy.
@ I had an A1 in College and it along with the AE-1s had an annoying squeak in the mirror box, still it kept on shooting up until I replaced it with the T-90 in ‘87’. With 40+ year-old cameras, especially any rig with that has been stuffed with electronics, I guess anything made newer than 1985, you really need to have them checked out from top to bottom as parts and repairs are vanishing. Anything mechanical (or mostly mechanical like my F1AE) tend to be tanks, the curtains are the biggest concern
Excellent video and so informative! Definitely blows the “shoot slide film at box speed” out of the water, especially when the expiration date is over 40 years old. Thanks for the ISO tests. Great results when the image is edited! I’m gonna try the tests you did on some of my expired slide film, especially the reversal positive method! Mind blown! Gonna follow Matt Clark for sure! Also shout out to @nolaroid for his pull idea. Thanks for providing so many processing options and testing in your video. So helpful! Thanks Nick!! 🎉❤👍🏻👍🏻. PS: Love the big sigh at the end. It really was a lot of effort to make your video. Nice work buddy! 🇺🇸
Thank you Tony! It was definitely eye opening for me as this was the first time I've ever gone off script with developing film. But now I'm finding out the rabbit hole goes even deeper. Someone , @bikesnotbush, left a comment on here with some intriguing ideas to get even better images. I'd really love to get a more fundamental understanding of how all these chemicals work so I can make more informed decisions when I throw the film in the soup. BTW, love that you noticed the little post credits scene. Its fun to leave an extra easter egg in there at the end of these things.
Another great video Nick. Still haven't done regular e6- after this video not sure I will haha! I'll stick with diy reversals and cross processing.
@@KolanisCreations I was shocked it worked so well. Thanks again for the info man
Here is an idea: cross process, but first dev in a fog reducing hc110 stand development... then fix... then bleach... then redevelop in c41 and let it go for as long as you want..... since you already fixed you can overdevelop anymore than your controlled first dev and you can pull max color frim second color developer... you can even bleach and dev a second time to pull even more color out... and then a final bleach and second fix... you could even use some farmers reducer after first fix and you can-carefully-get more contrast out of that first silver neg
Would Blix work? Or should I get some separate bleach? HMU on insta dude, I'd love to talk shop with ya in DM's. This sounds interesting. I'd love to pull max color and tone info out of this stuff.
I'm happy to tell you, I've craked the Dynamic chrome recipe. For Dynamic Chrome, mix the first developed 2:3 [Dev - 400ml : Water - 600ml] and developed for 13:30 at 104°F. For the reversal and blix steps, just do what the instructions say.
I swear to god it works wonderfully. No blue cast, perfect density, neutral white balance, great scanability. It's not some janky 'best option' it's straight up perfectly toned and developed slides.
Well I may have to give it another chance. Thanks for the Intel. I'm gonna screenshot this
You're a film mad scientist!
@@fustigate314159 I'm mad alright. Exposure tests pushed me to the brink
Your stuff is absolutely amazing.
Thanks dude!
This channel is great
Thank you! Trying my best! Scouts honor!
Yer a crazy son of a gimbal; ain’t cha, AIN’T cha? (Love it)
Thanks Lambo. Definitely felt crazy after all those exposure test dev cycles
@@nicklopro looked amazing. I have some ancient disposables that… who knows… who knows…
@@lambo_drives only 1 way to know. Gotta give it a go!
you're a fucking legend Nick. A god damned fucking LEGEND.
@@eatenbyopium wow! Does that mean I don't exist? Legend=myth?
YEAH SHOW EM WHOS BOSS NICK 🗣
Yo thanks Rolf! Them redditors are gonna be out for my blood after this.
@@nicklopro I'll have your back, we'll take them on ⚔️ haha
@@rolfenstein_exe reddit v rolf. A battle for the ages!
Was worried there for a sec that you'd go CUCKOO over this!
I hope the next video is "can you develop film by slapping it repeaedly" like that chicken thing
Sounds like a solid premise. Sanity is overrated.
I cant trust everything on the internet but I trust you for bad ideas involving chemicals and photography.
Ps.
Bring on the merch!
Merch soon. Files sent for sample run. Now I gotta figure out where I'm gonna sell em
Wait til you try the Ektachrome eDupe stuff!
Had to look this stuff up. Looks interesting. Have you shot it?
Well... you got a subscriber. I hope you're happy.
@rf8221 I mean... now? Or in general? Idk. When will it be enough? How much internet Stranger validation does one need to feel real joy? Sure I have my health and my sanity. My Sarah and my puppy. But what every man needs to be happy is... mOaR subscribers! 😆 but in all seriousness. Thanks for tuning in.
That last 5 seconds was a little too real for me 😂
Sorry Levi. Gotta show warts n all! 😆 🤣
Hi, Nick.
@@pondcurtis9725 hi Curtis 👋
Hi
@@acecreates high
had one roll of ektachrome 64 which expired in 1984 (ish) once, with regular E6 processing at EI 64 it barely revealed images. not something I would recommend trying. what you did here was certainly more successful but the results are still borderline useless (no offense!)
I'd say that all E6 stored under unknown conditions for at least 15 years is most likely shot. fujichrome (incl. velvia, provia, astia) seems to hold up the best still, only shifting to purple but staying mostly useful when scanning and retaining original film speed more or less, but especially the kodak and agfa E6 film of such age is beyond any legitimate use. but that's just my experience! thanks for the interesting video!
I'd say getting wacky unpredictable pictures is a legitimate use. Totally not useless. Only useless film is one that makes no pics. Thanks for tuning in
@@nicklopro if that's what you're after (or what you are willing to accept), then yes! me, I'm not ;)
@@imxg well I ain't got the mental capacity to strive for perfection. So I shoot film and make funny vids to cope
I’ve got a couple rolls of expired ektachrome lumier from who know when. I think I’ll probably bracket it similar to what you did despite the online wisdom of shoot box speed.
Worked like a charm. Only way I could think of to find the correct exposure without wasting a whole roll
I shot a roll of Ektachrome 64 expired in 1983, that I self-developed in E-6 back in 2019, this was way before the reddit drama, and this video. It's been a long time coming, but I'd recommend using the FPP E-6 kit, instead of Cinestill E-6 kit. That's my opinion anyways.
I was thinking of trying a full 6 bath kit, but I'll give the FPP a go. Maybe I should compare all the kits. Or is that too niche for youtube? lol
@@nicklopro It's up to you! There's plenty of TH-cam vids out there that prove that all kits are better than the Cinestill E-6 kit based on the tests and recommendations I've seen.
I've developed a lot of E-6 in my time I will say hc-110 is a better first developer than whatever garbo they supply in the kits. if you make one shot first dev's you easily extend the life of the kit for a maximum of 6 months.
So I could do hc 110 then the color reversal bath and then blix? Just skipping the re exposure & c41 thing?
@@nicklopro that's pretty much my work flow. re-exposure didn't seem to affect much so sticking to the color developer is best. I have heard ecn-2 developer has slightly less color shifts but I haven't tested it myself.
Tungsten balanced slide film will age the best from my experience. Cross processing ektachrome 64t made it completely lose its blue hue which I found interesting. the absolute worst is probably elitechrome and agfachrome. I've had great luck with fujichromes always
Where’s that awesome ektachrome shirt from
@@theowlfromduolingo7982 probably etsy or ebay. Sarah bought it for me
free tibet
That's not my call but thanks toast
wtf is this? long form ticktok?
@Roman_4x5 this is youtube. No soy boys allowed. Thanks for tuning in, fellow based chad!