Delonghi Dedica Maestro Plus vs Sage (Breville) Bambino Plus
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, we compare the newcomer, the Delonghi Dedica Maestro Plus (EC950), to the original Breville Bambino Plus. It feels like Delonghi is playing catch-up with Breville. Let's see if Delonghi can beat Breville in this case or not. I'll say this much up front, it's pretty much neck and neck. You'll have to look at all the characteristics of each, because there's no clear winner. The Dedica is better at some things, the Bambino is better at others. See the links below.
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Beans used: Martermuehle Santos, M-Espresso
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:39 Similarities and Differences
3:40 Pre-infusion (choo-choo!)
4:54 Design and Build
6:16 Espresso demo (med-dark)
10:51 Espresso demo (light-med)
15:18 Temperature test
16:40 Automatic milk frothing test
20:06 Manual milk frothing test
22:21 Final Verdict
24:01 51mm vs 54mm vs 58mm
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Long awaiting review!❤
this is the review that everyone was waiting for
thanks Tom!!! helped me make my decision. going with the Bambino.
Two good machines and one good review, thanks, Tom!
Thanks a lot Tom, you guide me very well to decide what espresso machine I need to buy!
Interesting that the coarser grind necessary, due to the narrower portafilter, gives the better result presumably due to better temperature management.
Great video @TomscoffeeCorner . What should be the water/espresso temp coming out from Dedica, I feel it's colder than Bambino one.
Great detailed comparison! And as I expected, and hoped for also, the Dedica does better job with light roasts because it hits higher temps with the PID. The only problem for the Bambino in general as machine is the sour shots with light roasts and that is deal breaker for many people that are into light roasts but doesn't want to spend 500-600+ euros on a machine. Aside from the Legato from DF, this Dedica looks like a legit option. Cheers
I'm just coming here to watch this now getting ready for bed after work and I just want to say thank you very much for this comparison. People ask me for advice since I've got my Bambino Plus and I do try not to default to just my machine since the market is growing.
Good comparison! As for looks I prefer the Bambino Plus however I would choose the Dedica Maestro Plus because of the better temperature control.
How much difference does the optional basket you list for the ECP 3420 make assuming you get the optional bottom less porta filter also? I know the porta filter comes with a basket..I am taking about the optional one you list for about 30$?
Amazing in-depth comparison as usual, I love those type of videos the most.
Wish that in Asian market we had more machine brands easily available like in US/EU.
Question regarding that Kingrinder K4 you had there, from your experience how many espresso viable settings (clicks) does it have?
I'm using Timemore C3 Pro Max and its a lovely all around grinder, but I'm stuck at 7 and 8 clicks and looking for some more espresso range to dial in my extractions.
Cheers!
Thanks for watching! I normally use the kingrinder anywhere from 55-65 clicks, depending on the freshness of the beans I'm using. So, it does have some range. Cheers!
Thanks, Tom, for this very informative video. Will the equipment I purchased for my older Dedica (i.e., bottomless portafilter, non-pressurized basket and funnel) fit and work well on the new Dedica? 0:02
Everything will work except the bottomless portafilter, which has slightly different tabs. Cheers!
I know the video is about the espresso machines, but my grinder envy is real. I have a Cuisinart Supreme Grind, and it's louder than, and takes longer to do a worse job than either grinder you just used. Can't wait to upgrade. Kingrinder is on my list.
Hello Tom! Does the H26 IMS basket fit the Barista Express' original portafilter?
The one I have does. I think it's the 16-18 gram basket. Cheers!
Thanks Tom. I was curious about both of these. 👍
#BambinoPlus
Hallo Tom.
I wanted to buy the df54 grinder in germany. Do u recommand a site where i can buy it ?
I have a link in the description of my review video. It goes to their website. Cheers!
I own a Bambino Plus and I can confirm that the milk texture turns out better on "manual" every time. I've also used a Dedica Maestro Plus for 2 full weeks (borrowed from my brother just to see any plus it might have over my Bambino) but you know what? I couldn't be happier to start using my own 3-year-old Bambino Plus again, as opposed to my brother's brand-new Dedica. Bambino is way more premium construction and yields more consistent results. Dedica, hm....it feels "cheap and plasticky", sounds like something "rattles inside" all of the time no matter what, and is somewhat clunky as in....not enough refined design on it. Is just.....cheap! in my opinion. Is the best way I can describe it
Dedica Maestro Plus is more stable though, it didn't require me to use 2 hands to close the portafilter.
Sorry i'm asking it here, i was looking for the answer among the videos but couldn't find it: do you have a video where you compare the IMS vs Chinese basket?
I don’t, sorry!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner It's fine. Thanks for your answer. Keep up the good work, I really love that you're showing stuff that's actually accessible for a lot of people. 😊
Tom, what is the idea behind the plastic lining in the portafilrers on these machines?
Temperature retention for the coffee since the portafilter isn't preheated in the group head on these machines.
As Ben says, it should bypass the metal, which sucks the heat out of the extraction...
I've got the Delonghi and every time I run the pre-infusion the sound reminds me of the introductory beat to Major Tom (I'm coming home) by Peter Schilling. Good machine and very happy with it.
If i want upgrade from delonghi dedica to a really awesome espresso machine regardless of the price, what do you recommend?
Contact me at my website if you would like to schedule an appointment to philosophize about it. It's an endless discussion, lol.
Interresting to see the temperature comparison. I have the regular bambino, which extracts the first shot(medium roast) well, however any consecutive shot becomes more and more astringent. I thought actually, that it becomes too hot, and the PID cannot properly compensate, when everything is hot already. But now I don't know. Maybe it's actually not hot enought, but the initial steam during preinfusion, which gets more and more prominent with every shot messes up the shot more and more, and it's not because of getting too hot overall, so more complex than it seems.
The regular Bambino doesn't have a 3-way valve to purge water through the thermal block to cool it down so there's probably some kind of thermal lag at play as the PID can't heat as aggressively compared to a machine that can cool the block down. So the next shot has the thermal block detected as being hot and the PID doesn't heat up the block initially and by the time the heating kicks in and reaches the water, you're already midway through the shot.
If you had to choose between Dedica Maestro Plus or the La Specialista Arte..which one would you choose? (given they're both the same price in my market)
I'd go for the DMP and a grinder. Cheers!
Tom, this is to pay for the shots at the border in the 'short' from a couple days ago. The bill was $4.88, keep the 12 cents change :):) Based on that I am ordering some beans from "Cerini", a company out of NYC that deals in Italian beans.
Thanks so much for your support! I do appreciate it. :)
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Awesome, but seeing as I paid for your espresso :):), which type of bean did the espresso shot use? Was it Ristretto?.. sort of looked like it could be.
@@SunriseLAWIt was a single shot. They often use a lot of robusta, so I’m guessing it was 8-10 grams of a 50/50 mix, but I don’t know for sure.
Great comparison Tom. I have to disagree with the Bambino steaming though. My auto results are very silky at around 48 seconds. Even better with oat milk.
Your mileage may vary. It's wildly inconsistent for me, with the autofrothing.
What size milk jug do you recommend?
I use 400ml generally.
Hi can you please review the Mokona Bialetti
With a bottomless porterfiler and mb an ims filter
Oh wow, I never knew this existed. Maybe someday...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you for taking it in consideration 🙏🏻
#DedicaMaestroPlus Thanks for the video Tom. I'm thinking it would be the better machine for me.
Like the “excellent” tamping moments.
thank you so much.. for all the explanations.. and the so stupid easy trick: dunking the portafilter into a cup of hot water;-))) sometimes we don't think about the easiest solutions.. it saves me a ,to of still mineral water, which not only costs, but also has to be carried hone... what I don't understand: why does the new dedicated must habe such a broad base?? I like the smaller silhouette of the 995 much more, both from pragmatical and asthetical reasons
The DMP needs to be wider to accommodate the milk pitcher for auto steaming.
Can we get the same style review but with ec680 vs Maestro plus? See if it's worth the upgrade?
My ancient 680 just started failing so i'm looking at the same
It really depends on your market. In the USA, the price jump isn't so large, so I'd say it's worth it. In the EU, the EC950 costs 3x the EC685, so it's not worth it.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner the price difference in Australia between the 685 (current arte) and the ec900 is only 40%ish. Other than the auto steam wand I can't see any difference between 900 and 950 so I'm leaning there. Thoughts are most certainly appreciated if you can. Thanks
@@TomsCoffeeCorner upon review I didn't thank enough for this and the video. It was really comprehensive and helped a lot
@@ricardiumhues I would honestly go with the EC 900. That should have the same temperature probe I’m guessing, and a cheaper price due to the lack of auto steaming.
I think for espresso shot 2, I wouldn’t count the pre-infusion time for the Maestro.
Subtracting that, I think that was a fine 30 second shot :)
Does the Maestro model have a hot water feature?
Just the EC900, not the EC950.
With 4 holes tip, Bambino Plus steaming is strong enough and doesn't need to swirl for milk frothing in order for the air to come into the milk. I get thick milk foam every time with the thicker texture setting, so I am kinda surprised when you couldn't get the desired milk on the machine.
Mine seems really inconsistent. Sometimes it's fine, other times just milky.
I have used both the Bambino plus is better with plant based milk.
Still like my ECP3420. 😀
My current machine and I like as well. The bang for the buck is great.
I love my 3630, with an aftermarket basket
As someone who owns a Bambino Plus I must say that overall, I am content with it but there are things that I would change. The drip tray is a joke. It overflows, after being freshly emptied, every time I run the cleaning cycle just from it backflushing itself. Secondly, I can not delay the cleaning cycle (wish my model had the firmware that allowed it like some people seem to have) and that is annoying because it always happens in the middle of drink two or three when I am making lattes for family/friends. And yes, the steam wand collects burnt milk easily. You have to pay close attention to the backside of the wand!
None of those things are deal breakers but I sure would love to have a machine with these things upgraded one day. My sister has the regular dedica and it has its flaws when I use it but the ability to use it when it is ready for a cleaning (at least to finish your round of drinks) is a massive plus for me. Idk if the new Maestro is like that as I have to watch your video still but that alone might make me consider it. (Yes, it happens to me that often on the Bambino Plus, lol. Never with my warmup shot...) And that $100 price difference, I think, is a big deal in this price bracket! (Though I got my Plus at $400 anyway.)
Good video as always.
I got my Bambino Plus 299€ during black friday.
Sick deal!
$100 buys alot of fresh coffee. #dedicamaestroplus
With all due respect.... nothing in this review really supports your final conclusion. In your taste tests de DeLonghi seemed to come out on top....
One was a longer shot..
I don't know if you watched till the end, but I kind of teeter tottered between the two. But you're right, I should have been more concise.
Summary:
For milk steaming in manual mode, the Bambino Plus is the clear winner.
For espresso, the Dedica Maestro wins
For auto milk steaming, the Dedica is slightly better imho than the Bambino, but neither provide consistently good results.
So, for me it's neck and neck, based on what you want to do with the machine. I love milk based drinks and don't do much light-med roast, so the Bambino would suit me better more often. But I know a lot of people just do espresso, and for them, the Dedica Maestro Plus will be in my estimation the better machine. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner quick question. I have just bought the Dedica Maestro Plus and I wanted to upgrade to the bottomless portagilter. Bought the Normcore you suggested and it doesn’t fit. Can you please confirm it works on your machine? I called local Delonghi dealer and they said the EC950.M is not compatible with the previous model when it comes to portafilters. But they could not support their opinion with data.
I would never really trust Delonghi imo
Why not?
If you’re spending $500 on the bambino you might as well just get the express for $70 more. You get a grinder with it.
But from what I understood, the milk steaming pipe is worse on the Barista Express.
So the Dedica is not for espresso enthusiasts, as you can't 'dial in'. My Gaggia Classic isn't so bad after all.
Not sure what you mean with dial in? I'd say the Dedica is better than the Bambino actually, based on the temperature comparison, and light roast check. Cheers!
Were do you buy ims filters for dedica in europe? Tried to contact them but never responded 🥹
I get them from Amazon. Which country are you in?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Italy
@@andreacampi322 Oh gosh, IMS is FROM Italy. :) Here's a link for the H26 basket: amzn.to/43IHMIV (affiliate link to Amazon)