The sensors indicated nothing there, but the transporter was able to ascertain the location of the bridge, lock on to it and beam them directly there. Fascinating.
Yes, don't you love the lack of logic? Yet they can see it. Last i had physics light is a form of radiation. As you know the dimensions you could get range by parallax... but still wouldn't explain the comment about sensors.
@@francisdavis1271 It's not a lack of logic. The Defiant was caught between two universes, and the sensors didn't know what to make of it, whereas the transporter may have been receiving different readings. The ship was in a state of flux between the two universes, so this really isn't that hard to figure out in terms of the writing and what was going on in the episode.
Well they could see it and we're familar with the ship. They could have locked into a spot in space that they would know would be the bridge. The bigger question is how is something solid that their sensors can't see.
The acting in this is top notch. The way Koenig looks at Shatner when he says 'the Defiant'. That timing was imbecable. Top notch acting. Must remember, its just a TV show!
The look! Color TV was a new thing back when this aired and I'm sure it had an impact. The sound! The aural landscape is absolutely iconic and it totally sets the mood perfectly! The feel! The general sense of optimism for the future. Ground breaking stuff!
Yes. This clip is from the original version of the episode "The Tholian Web", not the remastered HD version. If you pay attention to the original version, any time another ship of the Enterprise's type is seen, with only one exception, it's seen from far away or from an angle where the registry number and name can't be seen. This is because NBC refused to provide the show with a proper effects budget, and they only had one ship model (the Enterprise) and they crew didn't want to risk damaging the model by repainting it every time we see another ship. So the Defiant and others never actually have their name and reg. number shown on screen, are only mentioned by name, and Trekkies had a great number of guesses and theories as which ships might have which registry numbers. Later in the 70's, a fan wrote an unofficial book on Star Trek, which they gave the Defiant the randomly made up number NCC-1764. The only exception to the no name/number rule originally is the USS Constellation, NCC-1017, from the episode The Doomsday Machine. The plot required close-up shots of the damaged ship, but again NBC said no. The effects crew worked around this by going to a local hobby store and purchasing the officially licensed plastic USS Enterprise NCC-1701 model kit, putting it together and painting it, and writing "USS Constellation" by hand on the hull, with the decal NCC-1701 re-arranged to become NCC-1017, since only the Enterprise name and number came in the kit (the number really should have been NCC-1710 to be closer to the Enterprise's number, but I think they wanted to better distinguish the two ships visually by number.) When Star Trek Enterprise came around and they did the Defiant in the alternate universe in 2005, the CGI effects allowed us to see officially see the Defiant's registry number for the first time. Which, taking from the unofficial book, the producers decided to keep as NCC-1764, since it had become somewhat unofficial canon by that point. A couple years later, CBS remastered TOS to HD, but the original special effects footage camera wise was determined to be of too poor quality to re-use. CBS decided it would be better to manually re-create every visual shot in the entire 3 seasons from scratch, rather than abandon the project. In this remastered version, the ships have had all of their names and numbers made visible when they are seen, and all are taken from the 70's book.
I once watched this episode with my nephew. When Captain Kirk was saved from the interphase he thought that Kirk missed his chair 😂. Judging by even from the fifth movie where he said “I miss my old chair”, I’d say that was true about the episode.
Spoiler alert: This USS Defiant eventually got transported 100 years into the past, emerging in the Mirror Universe (see Enterprise: "In a Mirror, Darkly")! Guess who they're fighting? THE THOLIANS!!!
For the most part, the TV executives thought Lost in Space was enough sci fi and weren't going to run Star Trek at all. I will say the first episode of Lost in Space was actually good, that scene were the spaceship was ready to crash land held up pretty good for it's time. But then, there was 2001.......
+ flyingscience Yes, Star Trek was as low-budget as they came in the 1960s. They probably spend more for a 45-second commercial for pizza today than they did on an episode of the original series. What Gene and company accomplished with that budget, however, is nothing short of astonishing.
The budget was pretty much on par with most other shows of the time, and the FX were among the best; if you want to see cheesey, check out 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea!
jpowell180 I think you might be referring to VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. Yes, I've seen it, and the movie it was based on. And LOST IN SPACE. And many others. Science fiction in those days was widely regarded as 'kids stuff' and as a result sci fi shows were given fairly meager budgets. The budgets may have been on par with the westerns and cop shows that were the staples of television drama back then, but sci-fi has a lot more costly special effects. So, in effect, one could say that the budgets of sci-fi shows were not what they should have been. Which makes the achievements of STAR TREK all the more impressive to me.
Star Trek was actually one of the most expensive shows in production at the time. That's a big part of why it was cancelled. If you think about it, the vast majority of other shows had no special effects at all. Star Trek was always needing special effects, new sets, expensive makeup, tons of extras. A very expensive show.
They would not necessarily need a lock, I can throw a ball into an invisible pot by aiming at the space the pot occupies rather than at the pot itself. I hope that explains what I am thinking.
More TV Land stuff ....Enterprise's sensors indicate no vessel but Kirk tells Sulu to get within transporter range....Sulu should have asked, "Based on what reading, Captain?"
you'd lock it on where you could triangulate the visual on screen from, working entirely from optics Possibly also why they were wearing space suits: as an added safety measure
@@eva2602 That just won't cut it. There would be a good chance that they'd teleport for instance between 2 floors or into a wall or something. If you cannot detect the inner structure with great details chances are you'll get fucked. (Yes, you can say they had the floor plans and all, but I doubt it could've been enough)
@@Szten At transporter range, it appeared that they did get targeting information of sufficient accuracy to make the attempt. The transporter officer does report they had a lock on the Defiant's bridge before beaming the boarding party across.
" interesting, sensors detecting nothing, and instruments say the same." " Well, Mr. Chekov, bones, come with me, we're beaming over." Kirk's a hard believer.
Also, notice the lighting on the Defiant bridge -- it's more bluish than the lighting on the Enterprise bridge. They got that detail right on the "Enterprise" recreation of the Defiant also.
Excellent episode, and this is the original aired 60's version of the episode, which in my opinion, no option far surpasses that enhanced stuff they came out with. You will note, that when the Tholian ship came into the area and the view screen showed the Tholian, Commander Loskein, the voice over was of Loskein was actress Barbra Babcock, who was on many times in the Original Star Treck series, The Squire Of Gothos as Trelains Mother, in A Taste Of Armageddon as Miea 3, the computer voice in Assignment Earth as Gary Sevrin's computer, in this episode, The Tholian Web and as Philiena in Plato's Stepchildren. She went on to be in Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.
Dan Basta Actually, the "In a Mirror, Darkly" CGI complements the storyline well. I haven't seen the remastered version of this TOS episode, but they may have improved it.
Spock bobbing up and down like a Weeble. He's stood up at 00:15 "We see it ..." and you can see him clearly sit down 00:17 as you can see his shadow on the bulkhead at the back of the shot. 6 seconds later 00:23 and he's stood up again and then 7 seconds later 00:31 he gets up from his position.
Okay, seriously, Spock made a big deal that the sensors got no readings. So how could they know they are in transporter range, much less lock transporters onto the bridge?
Because the transporters on the Enterprise are powered by Handwavium, an extremely rare element that allows Federation personnel to blast straight through glaring plot holes!
I just love how Uhura knows that the Captain will want communications and tries before being ordered to. And this is hardly the only episode she does this.
Good officers are trained to anticipate...if they had to wait for orders every time in order to do their jobs, they'd always be reacting which is slower than anticipating.
@@toAdmiller You also run the risk of those same good officers doing things that the Captain didn't want done. Now, communications surely has standard orders and procedures so there is that. At least it isn't the weapons officer thinking that surely the Captain wanted to open fire.
@@tomb7942 My point is, the best officers anticipate their future orders and do the necessary preparations so that WHEN their superior officer actually gives the order, they already have everything ALREADY PREPARED and don't cause a delay in enacting them. I'm NOT advocating officers making ASSUMPTIONS and doing what they THINK that their superior wants them to do without direct orders.
@@tomb7942 YES! She accumulates as much COMMUNICATION data CONSTANTLY without being ordered to do so in order that she and the data will always be accessible to the captain INSTANTLY, like Kirk hitting a light switch and the light instantly coming on as desired...instead of Kirk having to hit the button, and speak at it, "I would like a light, please..." and 3-4 seconds later, a light goes on. That's what the light switch is FOR, to do the anticipated, desired thing instantly when called upon. Uhura is the Communications Officer...that is her wheelhouse, she is EXPECTED to ALWAYS have all of the communications information that might be required at any given moment anticipated and at the Captain's beck and call. It's not like she's going to alter the ship's course or fire phasers when Kirk doesn't want them done... Sulu and Chekov (and others) responded "Course already plotted and laid in, sir!" in other episodes when Kirk asked for a course correction...They had the anticipated information ready, but DID NOT ACT ON IT until commanded.
Interesting, sensors detected nothing but the transporter was able to lock onto the bridge of the Defiant. I remember when the sensors said nothing is there but defectors said there is.
Watch this entire episode, then the Enterprise episode that is its sequel. There's also an Enterprise episode that is the sequel to the Star Trek First Contact film. I have a poster ( magazine ) on this episode ( The Tholian Web ).
When Scotty takes over, you know you have a no-nonsense Commander. He will ask only one question and then he will let you have photon torpedoes. Spock will give you the benefit of the doubt, but when he engages it will be very efficient.
Two things I could never figure out about Star Trek. 1. Why would you keep taking the Senior Medical Officer on exploraty missions? 2. Why would you take McCoy anywhere? Well, maybe that only one thing.
...nor the Constellation (The Doomsday Machine), the Intrepid (The Immunity Syndrome), nor the Exeter (The Omega Glory). Some things are simply left to the viewer's imagination...
“Mr Sulu close to transporter range” Sulu > “ (cough) .. awkward pause I uh, erm. I don’t read anything there sir how can I establish range on something that isn’t on our sensors?”
Sensors are active technology. Visual is passive. Is like not being able to get a radar lock is all but sure you can SEE a freaking thing. So many comments like sensors are not active probes. Radar helps I'm hoping to understand perspective of writing. Is solid.
For the same reason people make a comment when the same comment made much earlier (years maybe) seem to disappear and they think they are the first person to make the observation? If you really are George's son then you deserve the same thing your father gave to that soldier!
Spock said the sensors weren't detecting it. That's because the ship was in a state of flux between two universes. The transporter is then able to lock on to its bridge, but once there, McCoy soon realizes that the ship is "dissolving" because it's phasing out of this universe. From a writing standpoint it does all make sense.
The transport technology aims to turn humans into radio waves to transfer them to another location. This is what transport technology is. I thought in the past it was the super speed of moving the human from the spaceship to land. This is what science research must be looking into finding a way of creating this form of transform travel.
Locked in on the defiant captain......... How could they have done that when the sensors or anything couldn't pick up the ship they could only just see it... 🤔
some artist used a lot of glitter making those suits ! Funny they used screens instead of glass helmets . Gene must have been strapped for cash back then.
So many unknown's here, why was the Enterprise dispatched or how to the Defiant ?, what kind of ship & her crew was she ? could this had been a special ops ship involving Section 31 type missions ?. Kirk seemed eager to know before even ascertaining it was the defiant... I hope this ship comes back somehow back to either the new discovery series (highly unlikely) or maybe in a trek film in JJ's Kelvin Timeline... The Defiant definitely has a unique background, like sisko said "Desperate times, brings desperate measures Major" it's no accident Starfleet in the 24th Cent names their 1st warship "Defiant" (Class) !
Ed So Star Trek Discovery? A Star Trek series based off the USS Discovery while they ain’t really exploring but going to war? Like seriously, who the fuck calls it “Discovery” while they’re in war? You know what. The only ship that make sense is the USS Shenzou.
Why/how was Enterprise following Defiant? Presumably, Starfleet Command lost contact with Defiant and sent Enterprise to search starting with her last confirmed location and knowing what her expected destinations were after that. What kind of ship? Same class as Enterprise. Crew? The few bodies we saw seemed to be human or close (I doubt they were spending any extras on alien makeup etc... with all the money for Tholian ship model and special effects in this episode. If by "what kind" you mean normal exploration or warship testbed or black ops...? I don't know. I wasn't much of an 'Enterprise' series fan, so I don't remember if that mirror episode gave any clues. I like the story from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers series of books (yeah, I know - not canon unless they use it later for something else) that had 24th century Tholians rediscover it still drifting in interphase, make an offer to the Federation, Captain Gold and the SCE team on the DaVinci get assigned to recover the ship. The DaVinci crew discover that Defiant had answered a distress call from a Klingon colony (near Tholian space) under attack, arrives to find all dead and unidentified attacker gone, finds some tech left over from the attack, realize it's Tholian, try to quietly & inconspicuously get out of border territory and back to the Federation, to give the find to Command so it can eventually be given to the Klingons. Trying to avoid detection in/near Tholian space, they try to stay off the beaten path, which leads to them stumbling into the interphase rift and getting trapped. When Captain Gold tells the 24th century Tholians about the find (without realizing the full significance of it), the Tholian commander decides it would be better to attack, let the Defiant disappear back into the rift, and eliminate witnesses - rather than rile up the Klingon Empire by exposing the Tholians' responsibility for the death of that long-ago colony. Fortunately, the DaVinci crew survives the attack and escapes the trap (yay! everything is better with engineers!). The Federation sends for Ambassador Worf to get both parties to the negotiating table before the revelation leads to a war.
Yea. At its start Star Trek was a failure. They had completed all of the 1-4 seasons and when it started to even fade what little attention it had, they started showing in on the TV channels earlier in the nights. Which cought the attention of the young people. BOOMing in popularity after that.
3 seasons. Enterprise had 4. TOS started getting popular in syndication - they even had a cartoon in the early 70s; in the late 70s, Roddenberry was going to revive the live-action series, but Paramount started to get cold feet, so they told him to make a movie instead. Star Trek: The Motion Picture had great FX, a great director (Robert Wise), but the story was boring. Paramount noticed that, while not a blockbuster hit, the film still made a modest profit, so they allowed a second film (albeit with a much smaller budget); Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was a huge hit with audiences, and was more action-oriented (like the original series); this opened the door for a huge franchise that didn't stop until 2004. JJ Abrams made his reboot five years later, and now a new (prequel) series is in the works, Star Trek: Discovery - which takes place in the original (Prime) Star Trek universe, a couple of decades or so before the Original Star Trek series (NOT in the JJ-Verse).
@@jpowell180 very well said. We have to thank not only Gene Rodenberry but Lucille Ball/Desilu for taking the chance on giving us this gem we call Star Trek.
How could Kirk know that was the _Defiant_ ? It's facing head-on, so no registry numbers or name is visible....maybe there was a "Jack in the Box" antenna ball on it somewhere?
Well there were only around 12 Constitution class ships at the time and the Defiant was probably the only one within x light years of where they were. They were searching specifically for it in the area it went missing so odds are that any connie that pops up will be the Defiant.
Why did you indicate the presence of "Bees" therefore the wearing of our bee suits? I sayd Ser, there be a desterbence in they Force, Cyptin!!!!!!!!!!!!🤓😎🖖🏻🐶
0:59 I'd love to know how Kirk opens a line to Dr. McCoy with the push of a button. I'm guessing some AI records his message and figures out who to send it to, so McCoy gets it on a slight delay. You'll see Kirk walk up to a wall, press a button, and address the Bridge or someone else. Again, it must an AI figuring out the connection in real time because all he's doing is pressing a button.
This "inconsistency" is no different from that of the combadges of more recent series. In my opinion, the computer records the message, understands who the recipient is and transmits it with a delay.
Wait wait wait, there was a Defiant ship in Kirks era? How? Why? In Deep Space Nine they made it sound like there was no other ship that existed until the Defiant was made. But it was kept in storage. So did the creaters of the show forget about it? Did the characters forget? And why did the ship have such a massive change?
It's a common military ship name in real life too. As is Enterprise. There were two at the Battle of Trafalgar, a British one and a French one and I think there was also a Defiant.
It is never stated that the Defiant-class Defiant was the first ship to bear that name. But it is true that unlike the Enterprise, the registry number was not reused. I see two explanations for this. Perhaps reusing a registration is a rare honor. But it is also possible that since the new Defiant is a prototype, and therefore must have an NX prefix, it was decided that it would have a new number.
What do u expect? back in the day the TOS producers were doing the best they could given the budget they had to work with since they didint have time to come up with no other concept for such other sci fi 23rd century TOS star trek space suits.
The sensors indicated nothing there, but the transporter was able to ascertain the location of the bridge, lock on to it and beam them directly there. Fascinating.
Yes, don't you love the lack of logic? Yet they can see it. Last i had physics light is a form of radiation. As you know the dimensions you could get range by parallax... but still wouldn't explain the comment about sensors.
@@francisdavis1271 It's not a lack of logic. The Defiant was caught between two universes, and the sensors didn't know what to make of it, whereas the transporter may have been receiving different readings. The ship was in a state of flux between the two universes, so this really isn't that hard to figure out in terms of the writing and what was going on in the episode.
They just need coordinates in space to plop something somewhere with a transporter.
You never want to analyze science fiction shows too closely.
Well they could see it and we're familar with the ship. They could have locked into a spot in space that they would know would be the bridge. The bigger question is how is something solid that their sensors can't see.
The acting in this is top notch.
The way Koenig looks at Shatner when he says 'the Defiant'.
That timing was imbecable.
Top notch acting.
Must remember, its just a TV show!
The look! Color TV was a new thing back when this aired and I'm sure it had an impact. The sound! The aural landscape is absolutely iconic and it totally sets the mood perfectly! The feel! The general sense of optimism for the future. Ground breaking stuff!
The same USS Defiant seen in the Star Trek Enterprise episodes "In a mirror, darkly?"
Yep
Only here in the Prime federation universe it appeares in Interphasic Ghost form as an Interpased Spector or ghost ship.
FLAME4564 that’s because the USS Defiant is shifting between Prime Future and Mirror Past.
If any Trek fans are interested in a Star Trek themed RPG, just say the word. We welcome new members.
Yes. This clip is from the original version of the episode "The Tholian Web", not the remastered HD version.
If you pay attention to the original version, any time another ship of the Enterprise's type is seen, with only one exception, it's seen from far away or from an angle where the registry number and name can't be seen. This is because NBC refused to provide the show with a proper effects budget, and they only had one ship model (the Enterprise) and they crew didn't want to risk damaging the model by repainting it every time we see another ship. So the Defiant and others never actually have their name and reg. number shown on screen, are only mentioned by name, and Trekkies had a great number of guesses and theories as which ships might have which registry numbers. Later in the 70's, a fan wrote an unofficial book on Star Trek, which they gave the Defiant the randomly made up number NCC-1764.
The only exception to the no name/number rule originally is the USS Constellation, NCC-1017, from the episode The Doomsday Machine. The plot required close-up shots of the damaged ship, but again NBC said no. The effects crew worked around this by going to a local hobby store and purchasing the officially licensed plastic USS Enterprise NCC-1701 model kit, putting it together and painting it, and writing "USS Constellation" by hand on the hull, with the decal NCC-1701 re-arranged to become NCC-1017, since only the Enterprise name and number came in the kit (the number really should have been NCC-1710 to be closer to the Enterprise's number, but I think they wanted to better distinguish the two ships visually by number.)
When Star Trek Enterprise came around and they did the Defiant in the alternate universe in 2005, the CGI effects allowed us to see officially see the Defiant's registry number for the first time. Which, taking from the unofficial book, the producers decided to keep as NCC-1764, since it had become somewhat unofficial canon by that point. A couple years later, CBS remastered TOS to HD, but the original special effects footage camera wise was determined to be of too poor quality to re-use. CBS decided it would be better to manually re-create every visual shot in the entire 3 seasons from scratch, rather than abandon the project. In this remastered version, the ships have had all of their names and numbers made visible when they are seen, and all are taken from the 70's book.
Coming back to this after watching Mirror Darkly.
One of the few BEST episodes of TOS season 3.
You can't help but think that Kirk does ask for trouble sometimes!
No-no-no-no, Kirk is a romantic at heart...he COURTS trouble.
😏
Chekov is like "WTF...we are going to a ghost ship.....gimme a break"
Another Purple Heart for Chekov.
@1:10 just a terrific SPFX, and a feel for a romantic lost ship. As a kid this inspired dreams of dead starships orbiting lost worlds.
Reminded me of the Flying Dutchman or some ghost ship of the damned
This was the original U.S.S. Defiant starship that came before the one from Deep Space Nine.
You don't say...
LOL!
And it went into the mirror universe and cemented the Terran empire rule until goatee spock fucked it up
@@nunyabizness3866 It also went back into the past of said mirror universe.
No kidding, I would never have guessed.
The Defiant was a great woodstove made by Vermont Castings in the 1970s
I once watched this episode with my nephew. When Captain Kirk was saved from the interphase he thought that Kirk missed his chair 😂. Judging by even from the fifth movie where he said “I miss my old chair”, I’d say that was true about the episode.
Spoiler alert: This USS Defiant eventually got transported 100 years into the past, emerging in the Mirror Universe (see Enterprise: "In a Mirror, Darkly")! Guess who they're fighting? THE THOLIANS!!!
Archer had fun with the ship.
NOT THE THOLIANS!!!!
For the most part, the TV executives thought Lost in Space was enough sci fi and weren't going to run Star Trek at all. I will say the first episode of Lost in Space was actually good, that scene were the spaceship was ready to crash land held up pretty good for it's time. But then, there was 2001.......
The suits look cool to me! It's Star Trek!
Love it! This looks and sounds even better than when I watched it as a kid on UHF TV reruns, super-edired for commercials! Great memories.
+ flyingscience
Yes, Star Trek was as low-budget as they came in the 1960s. They probably spend more for a 45-second commercial for pizza today than they did on an episode of the original series. What Gene and company accomplished with that budget, however, is nothing short of astonishing.
The budget was pretty much on par with most other shows of the time, and the FX were among the best; if you want to see cheesey, check out 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea!
jpowell180
I think you might be referring to VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. Yes, I've seen it, and the movie it was based on. And LOST IN SPACE. And many others. Science fiction in those days was widely regarded as 'kids stuff' and as a result sci fi shows were given fairly meager budgets.
The budgets may have been on par with the westerns and cop shows that were the staples of television drama back then, but sci-fi has a lot more costly special effects. So, in effect, one could say that the budgets of sci-fi shows were not what they should have been.
Which makes the achievements of STAR TREK all the more impressive to me.
Some episodes came in at $250,000. Hardly low budget for the time.
Star Trek was actually one of the most expensive shows in production at the time. That's a big part of why it was cancelled. If you think about it, the vast majority of other shows had no special effects at all. Star Trek was always needing special effects, new sets, expensive makeup, tons of extras. A very expensive show.
Agreed. Why good writing is key and king with low budget. This is a creepy episode.
The bridge of the Defiant looks like just another day in halls of Congress Washington, DC.
Ok boys, lets suit up and beam over to a mirage. what could possibly go wrong?
It's why they wore suits.
Ship's sensors can not detect the Defiant but the transporters can lock on to the Definat's bridge? OK, it's TV land...
👌👌🤣🤣🤣
BAHAHAHA!!!!
They would not necessarily need a lock, I can throw a ball into an invisible pot by aiming at the space the pot occupies rather than at the pot itself. I hope that explains what I am thinking.
More TV Land stuff ....Enterprise's sensors indicate no vessel but Kirk tells Sulu to get within transporter range....Sulu should have asked, "Based on what reading, Captain?"
So the transporter was able to lock onto the bridge of the Defiant when the ship's sensors said there was nothing there. Hmmm.
oh hush.
And they can see the Defiant, even though cameras count as sensors.
you can say it was literally made before its time...which was when people started to become curious about space again
" Jim, we're beaming over to a ghost ship?, what if there 's nothing there?."
But... if Enterprise's sensors couldn't see the Defiant at all, how could they lock the transporter beam?
you'd lock it on where you could triangulate the visual on screen from, working entirely from optics
Possibly also why they were wearing space suits: as an added safety measure
@@eva2602 That just won't cut it. There would be a good chance that they'd teleport for instance between 2 floors or into a wall or something. If you cannot detect the inner structure with great details chances are you'll get fucked. (Yes, you can say they had the floor plans and all, but I doubt it could've been enough)
@@Szten At transporter range, it appeared that they did get targeting information of sufficient accuracy to make the attempt. The transporter officer does report they had a lock on the Defiant's bridge before beaming the boarding party across.
" interesting, sensors detecting nothing, and instruments say the same."
" Well, Mr. Chekov, bones, come with me, we're beaming over."
Kirk's a hard believer.
Interesting and fascinating
@tsetsoooo Yes, it's the same exact ship. The dead crewmen were in the same exact positions in the Enterprise episode. :)
That's what I find so amazing is that there's so much detail and so much care they put into making the connection between the two decades apart shows
Also, notice the lighting on the Defiant bridge -- it's more bluish than the lighting on the Enterprise bridge. They got that detail right on the "Enterprise" recreation of the Defiant also.
No sensor contact. No transporter lock. Thank you.
Yeah, and also: They see the ship on a view screen. So how come the cameras see it, but sensors don't? lol
That is why they wore space suits, incase they were transporting into space. They would be okay and alive.
"Everyone is dead Dave"
Excellent episode, and this is the original aired 60's version of the episode, which in my opinion, no option far surpasses that enhanced stuff they came out with. You will note, that when the Tholian ship came into the area and the view screen showed the Tholian, Commander Loskein, the voice over was of Loskein was actress Barbra Babcock, who was on many times in the Original Star Treck series, The Squire Of Gothos as Trelains Mother, in A Taste Of Armageddon as Miea 3, the computer voice in Assignment Earth as Gary Sevrin's computer, in this episode, The Tholian Web and as Philiena in Plato's Stepchildren. She went on to be in Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman.
Dan Basta Actually, the "In a Mirror, Darkly" CGI complements the storyline well. I haven't seen the remastered version of this TOS episode, but they may have improved it.
Spock bobbing up and down like a Weeble. He's stood up at 00:15 "We see it ..." and you can see him clearly sit down 00:17 as you can see his shadow on the bulkhead at the back of the shot. 6 seconds later 00:23 and he's stood up again and then 7 seconds later 00:31 he gets up from his position.
Okay, seriously, Spock made a big deal that the sensors got no readings. So how could they know they are in transporter range, much less lock transporters onto the bridge?
Because the transporters on the Enterprise are powered by Handwavium, an extremely rare element that allows Federation personnel to blast straight through glaring plot holes!
You weren't supposed to notice that, LOL
Great color great color love it
I just love how Uhura knows that the Captain will want communications and tries before being ordered to.
And this is hardly the only episode she does this.
Good officers are trained to anticipate...if they had to wait for orders every time in order to do their jobs, they'd always be reacting which is slower than anticipating.
@@toAdmiller You also run the risk of those same good officers doing things that the Captain didn't want done.
Now, communications surely has standard orders and procedures so there is that.
At least it isn't the weapons officer thinking that surely the Captain wanted to open fire.
@@tomb7942 My point is, the best officers anticipate their future orders and do the necessary preparations so that WHEN their superior officer actually gives the order, they already have everything ALREADY PREPARED and don't cause a delay in enacting them. I'm NOT advocating officers making ASSUMPTIONS and doing what they THINK that their superior wants them to do without direct orders.
@@toAdmiller And my point was that she actually did things without being ordered to do so.
@@tomb7942 YES! She accumulates as much COMMUNICATION data CONSTANTLY without being ordered to do so in order that she and the data will always be accessible to the captain INSTANTLY, like Kirk hitting a light switch and the light instantly coming on as desired...instead of Kirk having to hit the button, and speak at it, "I would like a light, please..." and 3-4 seconds later, a light goes on. That's what the light switch is FOR, to do the anticipated, desired thing instantly when called upon.
Uhura is the Communications Officer...that is her wheelhouse, she is EXPECTED to ALWAYS have all of the communications information that might be required at any given moment anticipated and at the Captain's beck and call.
It's not like she's going to alter the ship's course or fire phasers when Kirk doesn't want them done...
Sulu and Chekov (and others) responded "Course already plotted and laid in, sir!" in other episodes when Kirk asked for a course correction...They had the anticipated information ready, but DID NOT ACT ON IT until commanded.
Interesting, sensors detected nothing but the transporter was able to lock onto the bridge of the Defiant.
I remember when the sensors said nothing is there but defectors said there is.
I wonder if the Enterprise’s tractor beam would have had any effect on the Defiant.
Considered by most the best episode of Season Three.
Watch this entire episode, then the Enterprise episode that is its sequel. There's also an Enterprise episode that is the sequel to the Star Trek First Contact film. I have a poster ( magazine ) on this episode ( The Tholian Web ).
Them space suits took the entire episode's FX budget.
Funny how Spock is standing near the command chair at 0:23 and then we see him rising from his chair at 0:31
He could have sat back down to look at his instrument panel.
so sensors can't read it, but they can get within transporter range and lock in the bridge? hmm.
When Scotty takes over, you know you have a no-nonsense Commander. He will ask only one question and then he will let you have photon torpedoes.
Spock will give you the benefit of the doubt, but when he engages it will be very efficient.
Fascinating
If your sensors cannot detect a ship how are you going to transport on to it other than a shuttle
Two things I could never figure out about Star Trek.
1. Why would you keep taking the Senior Medical Officer on exploraty missions?
2. Why would you take McCoy anywhere?
Well, maybe that only one thing.
And how was Mr Sulu able to determine they were within transporter range if the sensors said it wasn't there?
400 crew members and it is always bridge officers plus the doctor that do the investigating.
It sucks how we never see the Defiant before this episode and the events as to what happens next
...nor the Constellation (The Doomsday Machine), the Intrepid (The Immunity Syndrome), nor the Exeter (The Omega Glory). Some things are simply left to the viewer's imagination...
In the first shot the red shirt's head is about a foot away from the yellow shirt's torso. But in in the closeup his head is much closer.
“Mr Sulu close to transporter range”
Sulu > “ (cough) .. awkward pause I uh, erm. I don’t read anything there sir how can I establish range on something that isn’t on our sensors?”
The unknown!
This show should have gotten the Oscar. They were robbed.
TV Shows don’t get Oscars.
It is.
This is the one from Enterprise in the last season. They closed the original story in the last season
Space Madness! From Ren &stimpy...
What's chicken chackin Checky doin' there?😮🤷🏼♂️🤓😎🖖🏻🐶
Is this the same ship, USS Defiant, from the Star Trek Enterprise where the Tholeans captured it???
Sensors are active technology. Visual is passive. Is like not being able to get a radar lock is all but sure you can SEE a freaking thing. So many comments like sensors are not active probes. Radar helps I'm hoping to understand perspective of writing. Is solid.
Watch out for the tholian assembly
How was the transporter able to lock on to a certain area when all sensors failed to read anything? 😬
For the same reason people make a comment when the same comment made much earlier (years maybe) seem to disappear and they think they are the first person to make the observation? If you really are George's son then you deserve the same thing your father gave to that soldier!
@@ExWEIMan Oh… You’re just SO clever!
Who REALLY deserves a slap here, idiot?!😆
General Patton WAS the Jr.
Interesting that Spock said the computers can find no trace of the ship that they see but yet the transporter seem to have locked onto the bridge
Spock said the sensors weren't detecting it. That's because the ship was in a state of flux between two universes. The transporter is then able to lock on to its bridge, but once there, McCoy soon realizes that the ship is "dissolving" because it's phasing out of this universe. From a writing standpoint it does all make sense.
50 years ago there was flat tv 😂😂😂
The transport technology aims to turn humans into radio waves to transfer them to another location. This is what transport technology is. I thought in the past it was the super speed of moving the human from the spaceship to land. This is what science research must be looking into finding a way of creating this form of transform travel.
@tsetsoooo
The same one
@CBS, why is this marked as inappropriate by YT's age appropriate algorithm?
People killed violently.
Close to transporting range
Locked in on the defiant captain......... How could they have done that when the sensors or anything couldn't pick up the ship they could only just see it... 🤔
some artist used a lot of glitter making those suits ! Funny they used screens instead of glass helmets . Gene must have been strapped for cash back then.
No, we knew they were screens then. Too caught up in the story to care, and kinda kid dumb!!
Easier to pick up the actors' voices through a wire screen helmet than a glass or plastic one. Also easier for the actors to breathe.
Without warp speed we would have turned in every week to see them sleeping in hibernation for the next 400 years
So many unknown's here, why was the Enterprise dispatched or how to the Defiant ?, what kind of ship & her crew was she ? could this had been a special ops ship involving Section 31 type missions ?. Kirk seemed eager to know before even ascertaining it was the defiant... I hope this ship comes back somehow back to either the new discovery series (highly unlikely) or maybe in a trek film in JJ's Kelvin Timeline... The Defiant definitely has a unique background, like sisko said "Desperate times, brings desperate measures Major" it's no accident Starfleet in the 24th Cent names their 1st warship "Defiant" (Class) !
Hey..you got your wish. The Defiant is now the main escape subplot from the mirror universe in Discovery!!.. lol
Ed So Star Trek Discovery? A Star Trek series based off the USS Discovery while they ain’t really exploring but going to war? Like seriously, who the fuck calls it “Discovery” while they’re in war? You know what. The only ship that make sense is the USS Shenzou.
Why/how was Enterprise following Defiant? Presumably, Starfleet Command lost contact with Defiant and sent Enterprise to search starting with her last confirmed location and knowing what her expected destinations were after that.
What kind of ship? Same class as Enterprise. Crew? The few bodies we saw seemed to be human or close (I doubt they were spending any extras on alien makeup etc... with all the money for Tholian ship model and special effects in this episode.
If by "what kind" you mean normal exploration or warship testbed or black ops...? I don't know. I wasn't much of an 'Enterprise' series fan, so I don't remember if that mirror episode gave any clues.
I like the story from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers series of books (yeah, I know - not canon unless they use it later for something else) that had 24th century Tholians rediscover it still drifting in interphase, make an offer to the Federation, Captain Gold and the SCE team on the DaVinci get assigned to recover the ship. The DaVinci crew discover that Defiant had answered a distress call from a Klingon colony (near Tholian space) under attack, arrives to find all dead and unidentified attacker gone, finds some tech left over from the attack, realize it's Tholian, try to quietly & inconspicuously get out of border territory and back to the Federation, to give the find to Command so it can eventually be given to the Klingons. Trying to avoid detection in/near Tholian space, they try to stay off the beaten path, which leads to them stumbling into the interphase rift and getting trapped.
When Captain Gold tells the 24th century Tholians about the find (without realizing the full significance of it), the Tholian commander decides it would be better to attack, let the Defiant disappear back into the rift, and eliminate witnesses - rather than rile up the Klingon Empire by exposing the Tholians' responsibility for the death of that long-ago colony.
Fortunately, the DaVinci crew survives the attack and escapes the trap (yay! everything is better with engineers!). The Federation sends for Ambassador Worf to get both parties to the negotiating table before the revelation leads to a war.
Yea. At its start Star Trek was a failure. They had completed all of the 1-4 seasons and when it started to even fade what little attention it had, they started showing in on the TV channels earlier in the nights. Which cought the attention of the young people. BOOMing in popularity after that.
3 seasons.
Enterprise had 4.
TOS started getting popular in syndication - they even had a cartoon in the early 70s; in the late 70s, Roddenberry was going to revive the live-action series, but Paramount started to get cold feet, so they told him to make a movie instead.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture had great FX, a great director (Robert Wise), but the story was boring.
Paramount noticed that, while not a blockbuster hit, the film still made a modest profit, so they allowed a second film (albeit with a much smaller budget); Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was a huge hit with audiences, and was more action-oriented (like the original series); this opened the door for a huge franchise that didn't stop until 2004.
JJ Abrams made his reboot five years later, and now a new (prequel) series is in the works, Star Trek: Discovery - which takes place in the original (Prime) Star Trek universe, a couple of decades or so before the Original Star Trek series (NOT in the JJ-Verse).
@@jpowell180 very well said. We have to thank not only Gene Rodenberry but Lucille Ball/Desilu for taking the chance on giving us this gem we call Star Trek.
They're DEAD Jim!!!
How could Kirk know that was the _Defiant_ ? It's facing head-on, so no registry numbers or name is visible....maybe there was a "Jack in the Box" antenna ball on it somewhere?
They were looking for it.
Well there were only around 12 Constitution class ships at the time and the Defiant was probably the only one within x light years of where they were. They were searching specifically for it in the area it went missing so odds are that any connie that pops up will be the Defiant.
1:16 Dr. Fauci's Covid-19 suit!
Why did you indicate the presence of "Bees" therefore the wearing of our bee suits?
I sayd Ser, there be a desterbence in they Force, Cyptin!!!!!!!!!!!!🤓😎🖖🏻🐶
No code in TV show ds9 worf was in command of the defiant and in wolf 359 too boo boy who lived. Ha ha john jack.
What?
Spock would be right if the sight wouldn't exist, but since it exists he is wrong.
0:59 I'd love to know how Kirk opens a line to Dr. McCoy with the push of a button. I'm guessing some AI records his message and figures out who to send it to, so McCoy gets it on a slight delay. You'll see Kirk walk up to a wall, press a button, and address the Bridge or someone else. Again, it must an AI figuring out the connection in real time because all he's doing is pressing a button.
This "inconsistency" is no different from that of the combadges of more recent series. In my opinion, the computer records the message, understands who the recipient is and transmits it with a delay.
Scotty should get a breathalyzer test before taking command.
A drunk Scotty is better than 99% of the sober officers in the fleet.
Wait wait wait, there was a Defiant ship in Kirks era? How? Why? In Deep Space Nine they made it sound like there was no other ship that existed until the Defiant was made. But it was kept in storage. So did the creaters of the show forget about it? Did the characters forget? And why did the ship have such a massive change?
This is the Constitution-class USS Defiant NCC-1764, not to be confused with USS Defiant NX-74205.
It's a common military ship name in real life too. As is Enterprise. There were two at the Battle of Trafalgar, a British one and a French one and I think there was also a Defiant.
@julianaylor4351 Well I'm familiar with the Enterprise ships. But that is interesting to know.
It is never stated that the Defiant-class Defiant was the first ship to bear that name. But it is true that unlike the Enterprise, the registry number was not reused. I see two explanations for this. Perhaps reusing a registration is a rare honor. But it is also possible that since the new Defiant is a prototype, and therefore must have an NX prefix, it was decided that it would have a new number.
Those spacesuits look ridiculous!
Romulan2469 yes they are just as phony as NASA 's
OH BEHAVE!!!! They're swinging mod suits, bay bay!!
What do u expect? back in the day the TOS producers were doing the best they could given the budget they had to work with since they didint have time to come up with no other concept for such other sci fi 23rd century TOS star trek space suits.
…and a Man in my position can’t afford to be made to look RIDICULOUS! 😡😅😂🤣
De Kelly's (McCoy) suit was found in the Paramount costume room a few years back. As I recall it fetched over $100,000 at auction!!