STOP! Car Braking System & Tech Essentials Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
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00:00 Intro
01:02 Braking System Components Explained
17:09 Do's & Don'ts - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
This has been so interesting guys, this kind of content is raw sauce for a n00b like me. Appreciate the clear and honest info
Just to be clear, "wet boiling point" refers to the lower boiling point you get when the fluid has absorbed water from the environment over time . " Dry" boiling point is the boilnig point of the fluid when it is new and has not absorbed any water - brake fluid absorbs water easily and that's why it's important to change brake fluid regularly .
It’s supposed to be done on every car every 2 years, it’s also good to avoid opening the brake fluid tank, it’s not just that it absorbs water easily it’s that it will remove water from the air by absorbing it.
@@MrTchou 2 years is for the common DOT3 fluid. If you're using DOT4 you should change the fluid even more often - every year is recommended.
@@trackntrail2869 i’m talking about carmaker’s recommendation for a normal everyday car, not a track car, in which it should be changed more frequently.
@@MrTchou I run DOT4 in my daily driver, which is also my Autocross and HPDE track day car.
@@MrTchou I was referring to the need to change brake fluid more regularly than every 2 yeras for track/competition use . yes of course the moisture is coming from the air , but it's getting in through all the possible routes in the system, the small period of time when the brake fluid cap is taken off to top up reservoir is not an issue.
Misha looks like he's been in the sun compared to George who looks like he's been indoors all winter! But thanks for another great tech vlog gentleman and I'm looking forward to the next one!
As a British man I can confirm that we are ghostly white throughout the winter season 😂 🇬🇧
@@mell_gif 😅 roll on the summer!
@@FullgasNoTraction 💯
Misha had been to dominican republic this winter so yes he was in the sun somehow ;-)
Superb , love these technical video's, many thanks to both of you.
Can't wait for the next video! Very informative as always!
I'm loving the technical videos. Keep them coming.
Good job! One of the best and most educating track tech video out there
More of those! Really enjoy the technical talks
Love these types of videos Misha - keep them coming. It’s great to hear about your experiences and insight from motorsport and driving a variety of different cars. George’s no-nonsense attitude and dry humour is a hit too!
love these videos - been reading abt and driving cars so long i rarely learn anything but theyre just lovely (and sometimes i do learn smthn !)
thx 4 sharing !
thank you misha and team for this video series, very informative
Great info. I’m loving this series of videos on the m4.
I really enjoyed this video, I hope you keep making more videos of how stuff work on a track car 🙌
Precision about the ABS, what it does is release the brake on the wheel that was locked and reapply the brake until it locks again (depending on the grip, related to the pressure of the brake pedal) if you’re still over the limit it will « vibrate » the pads by locking unlocking the wheel at quite high frequency, but if the reason why it locked was a temporary loss of grip like a wet patch or a small ice patch it won’t vibrate at all ; it will release and if the grip is sufficient it will keep braking without locking again.
Wow i learned alot. Thanks guys.
Great content Misha! Keep it up
Love this series!
Love these types of videos. More please!!
Hi Misha, I really enjoyed this video. Are used to work for Lanzante and I am a qualified teacher. You hit everything on the head spot-on. Well done to you and George. Look forward to the next one really enjoying it.
Great explanation!! 💪
Loving these types of videos.. helps us newbs enjoy track days so much more with less mechanical drama. For example a simple thing like Dodson thermostats which Oleg recommended in a much older video that you did helped me so much with reducing cooling temps on the track.
One question... can you tell me the model number for the Endless pads please?
Thanks.. keep these types of videos coming 👍
This video is extremely useful. Thanks !
I have an issue with my FWD car, on the ring the ECS/ESP is always pinching the rear rotors in corners, like to help stability. But it is doing this all the time above 110kmh, with my barely loading up the tyres, which is a big problem, I'm afraid of the generated heat with a lap around the track.
Great video, learned a lot in between waiting for my classes lol
Thanks Misha and George, love these tech vids. Please do an update at Philip
Love your detailed explaining videos ❣️
I learned KFZ Mechaniker from 1990-94 by VAG in Berlin and loved cars since I was 12 years old 😅
And secondary it's good to learn English for me.
Fühl Dich freundschaftlich umarmt von mir Micha 🤗
Gruß aus Berlin,
Ramsi
... this was a fantastic video for the average person, to learn a great deal about what makes braking and it's modifications important.
and a nice quick review for a trained person.
Love these videos. Very surprised to hear you use drill rotors! Do you think the heat built up is fairly low since the car is typically used for 8 minutes of track time instead of 20-25 minutes?
Nice one lads!
you could also cover ways of improving the heat management in the brakes and air cooling ducts
I know all this information already, but as a petrol head everyday is a learning day and good to hear it all again sometimes. Also videos like this can stop someone taking their car on track with stock fluid or pads and going into the back of me 😆
Cool video 👍🏻
Would love to hear more about your thoughts about cars as system.
good video from knowledgable people. Could you explain what a floating calliper is?
Good one buddy
I’ve experienced this vibration you guys mention while on track after my brakes have warmed up. While driving on the road I don’t feel this vibration, but I am obviously not braking as hard. Is there any way to get rid of the pad deposits or do you need to replace disks?
@Misha, I would have a question to you. Thinking of changing brake pads on my '14 B7 passat 4motion that I use in town, highway and country roads (also in winter Austria Alps for skiing) for having more friction, stopping power and less fade than OEM. I thought of Endless and EBC Blue / Yellowstuff. Although, I do not have endless distributor in Hungary, but only in Germany, so my question would be: which do you suggest (Endless / EBC) and where do you get endless from in Germany? Thank you very much! :)
Good video
Are you guys going to build a M5 ring taxi? Would be a classic
More like this!!
Please break down the Audi quadro system, like for an example an RS5, just how at certain cornering speeds it be a limiting factor for a very fast lap.
as long as your brakes dont break your good 💪🏻
Oh I really hope you guys have a solution for the E46 master! I did the f80 calipers front and rear on my e46 M3 and would love to have my original pedal travel back.
Misha. Which pads are better? You used Pagid RSL29 before Endless MA35B on taxi M4?
Awesome Video!🤩
Can you recommend a brake pad and disc combination for my M2 F78 N55, with TÜV?
That’s a very good question, for which purpose are you looking ?
Pure street, pure track of mixed use?
@@vollcare4076 Thanks for your answer!
Some Road, 100 laps at the Nürburgring Nordschleife and some Trackdays
@@slaier57 well, one pad can’t be really really good in both road and (GP-)track at the same time:
- MX72 perfekt for road, good for NOS, but will fail on GP
- ME22 ok for road (maybe some weakness when really cold / initial bite), very good for NOS and good for GP
- BMW MPerformance:
Very good for NOS, good for GP, 100% road legal but they produce noise
Спасибо. Я поумнел👍🏽
the F80 front calipers yeah... BMW really got their shit together, especially after the E46 M3 CSL that had single piston floating front calipers, which is almost unbelievable. I have the front brakes from a M135i Competition, those are pretty robust as well, but they have only one downside: you can't pull pads out of the backside, you need to unmount the whole caliper for a pad change.
What is a „M135i Competition“ ?
Excessively large disks are just as bad as undersized disks. Large rotation mass can be a detrimental effect. In situations when more power cannot be found to overcome it. And exceed the limits of available traction.
"As large as needed without being too much is a good recipe for many things."
Probably
😂 The subtle roast on pop & bang fiestas
What’s George’s background? He seems awfully young for someone with so much knowledge on high end performance cars. Where did he cut his teeth?
Hey guys! What's a decent cost effective system for track day civic w about 205hp? Looking for good stopping and longevity. Suggestions?
✌️☺️👌 nice Weekend
Man....on the Thumbnail you somehow looked like an imperial officer, explaining the Deathstar!🤣😂🤣
The sign on your left breastpocket looked a lot like an imperial rank insignia, and the lighting made it look a bit grey.
All you were missing was the hat!😉
And the brake well it's round, and if you're not 100% awake after a long night......😉
Very interesting gentlemen …..
If you're an excellent driver, you'll stop faster without ABS. If you're an average driver, and most of us are, you'll stop faster with ABS.
I remember the obligatory session I had at a skid pan while training to get my driver's licence. And the difference between ABS and no ABS was mindblowing.
It’s not really about being an excellent driver or not, ABS can regulate all wheels at the same time, you’d need 4 brake pedals and feet to be able to do the same. It doesn’t makes you stop faster but it will keep the directional control of the car (up to physics limits of course). It has been shown multiple times that ABS can significantly extend stopping distance on snow and ice for example,
I beg to differ. I've had the pleasure of driving on a skid pan before getting my licence, and experiencing the difference between ABS and no ABS (the instructor could turn the ABS in his car on and off at the flick of a switch). For someone average like me, who didn't have that excellent feel for when the wheels were about to lock up, ABS was a huge life saver and game changer.
In practical, real life ABS is the best thing that happened to the average driver since four wheel brakes were introduced. A truly skilled driver will still be able to outperform the ABS system, but such drivers are few and far between.
@@hadtopicausername no driver can outbrake a properly working abs system. On a track you only use it in predictable ways (no obstacles; braking zones; you know the road surface etc). On the street you might take a turn on a winter day and have sunny/shady spots (sunlight between the trees). If you need to brake hard, the abs system will allow each individual tire to maximize the available grip while still letting you take the turn as much as possible. There is no way anyone could do this in a non-abs car.
I drive a car with no abs too but i like to think i am aware of it's limits. If it is not completely dry outside i am a lot more cautious because of potentially hazardous situations (animals, idiots etc)
I've seen tests where non ABS outbraked ABS, but it's only under very specific conditions. Most of the time, ABS wins hands down.
Having driven an old swing axle Beetle a lot, I generally consider braking while in a corner to be a big no-no. I still carry that habit with me - slow down before the corner, not in it. I'll only brake mid corner if absolutely forced to.
Ye this is George’s area this misha sorry to say he needs to be the one explaining all of this.
George should be explaining all of this.
Do you sell merchandise for the comrades? We need shirts ?
in mishas m4 crash abs meant anti braking system xD
And theres the absorption point
I only know of one weird flex. That`s associated with that utterly crap rallye Lego Ferrari (Held der Steine). Looking forward to learning about braking techniques on the Nordschleife. Guess I`m doing a lot wrong. Still a learner on the track.
Micha, you said it again "Anti Blocking System". ABS is short for Anti-lock Brake System. Just saying :) Love the contents though. Peace!
8:51 Misha _"You never drive on the limit on the street"_
Me: _Drives like Sebastien Loeb going to the supermarkets_ 😂 😎
Air is compressible water isn’t, boiling fluid will compress and shorten the ‘rod’ of fluid resulting in a heart attack and brown lumpy fluid in your race suit when you press the brakes and nothing happens
I drive a car where the brakes are still operated with cables, never suffer from vapor lock due to too hot brake fluid.😉
Why can only Porsche make cars you can take from the showroom and straight to the hardest-on-brakes tracks?
You still have to upgrade the brakes if you want to track your Porsche, i recall of a class friend whose father had a 911 CS and went to Magny-cours F1 track, his brakes lasted 1.5 laps, next time he went with upgraded pads and fluid.
@@MrTchou 911 CS, which Modell is this?
1987 G-Modell ?
@@vollcare4076 the one from 1989 yes the Carrera ClubSport which was a limited serie if i recall correctly.
It was supposed to be « track ready », suspension was tuned, it was lighter than the normal one, they stripped it from a lot of equipment etc…
no word about ceramic brakes? =(
I see what you did there misha
😂
🙂
where is the m5? :(
"Wenn jemand nicht Autofahren kann, lässt er sich die ganze Zeit vom ESP den Arsch retten und zahlt dann am Ersatzteiltresen die Rechnung ❗"
Tim Schrick 2020 😂 👍🏼
a breaking video
Poor George, he clearly doesn't like TH-cam videos...but damn is he good! That actually makes it worse!
Old story, when I was a child I was tortured with country music on repeat for years, the same 8 songs...well that is what it seemed like anyways. Family supper at Chinese restaurant, goes on for hours and then they bring out the Karaoke...I go out to the car for over and 1.5hrs and they are still in there. I go back inside and it's like time has stopped, and I'm it's tortured prisoner. Next I try to join them, cuz they were winning! The mic comes to me and they peer pressure me into singing...and I think to myself this is my chance! I am already a horrific singer but I was about to take it to the next level and and this party...so I thought. They didn't have much of a selection of songs but I found a stupid country song I was all too familiar with. I go for it...and FAIL so bad they were cheering me on to sing another one. As you might guess I was so mad I left back to the car with the bitter disappointment and possibly Karma for being good at singing the music I hate the most of all... We were there 6hrs...I was in the car for most of it. LOL
I guess thems the brakes eh?
Experiencing judder from my GR’s front brakes and Toyota keep refusing to test the run out on them with a dial indicator to prove that they’re not warped. Handbrake keeps sticking the rear brakes make horrible scraping noises for the first couple of miles and then a constant high squeal at motorway speeds when hot…. Not a happy Toyota customer at this point. 5 year warranty against manufacturing and mechanical defects… Bullsh!t.
They’re claiming ‘pad material build up’ to be the cause of both issues.
Did you get a resolution or diagnosis for this?
@@dielaughing73 they blamed it on ‘pad material stuck to the discs. Then I finally made them do a run out check and they said they were ‘in spec’, despite the runout being over 3x higher than what f**king Hyundai would consider enough runout to warranty claim on.
Gave up, I couldn’t afford the silly high prices they were after for discs. Don’t have the GR anymore but I’ll definitely get another in future.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ that's crappy. If a company makes a "performance/track" product they need to stand behind it. It's literally a matter of life and death sometimes
Hahahah like them men liking pops and bangs on there fiesta💀
Gimme a brake..
Good brakes save your life.
RIMAC ON NURBURGRINGGGGGG
"...you never drive on the limit on the street..." yeah, umm, about that... 😅
11:05 Fiesta with pops n bangs. He's desperately trying to keep a straight face and look away, not insult fiesta owners...But we all know the pops n bangs maps are shit and he's laughing at them...
deja hablar un poco a George hombre
Incorrect information there at the end. Latest ABS systems always lets you stop faster than any human intervention!
Nope, on snow for example you stop faster by locking the wheels, it will aggregate snow just before the tyre, and this little bump that was built up acts as a stopping device on the wheel, ABS won’t allow for this to happen. ABS role isn’t to stop faster anyway, it’s to keep directional control of the car, allowing you to avoid something instead of sliding into it.
@@MrTchou I should have mentioned that I meant only high mue friction surface. On high mue, latest generation ABS is the way to stop the fastest. ABS not only lets you stop faster but also keep steerability. You are right about low mue. On low mue, with the snow accumulation method during sliding, you do gain a bit in deceleration but you completely lose steerability.
@@scenicswissdrives1264why would we be comparing abs in a situation that has plenty of traction? Are you trying to tell me I'll get the best braking on a dry racetrack by locking up my brakes and letting ABS take over? Because I seriously doubt that
Gg
Brake lines information is not quite correct, well not correct at all. 🤦🏼♂️
This comment would be helpful if you explained what’s not correct in the explanation.
@@MrTchou brakes are a rabbit hole, so it's not easy to just simply correct what they said because even the explanations and validation are off. You are essentially asking for 30 minute discussion on brake lines by themselves to be condensed into 3 minute read. To be quick and reducing wasting my time further. Factory lines don't bulge until they get old. Only on a test bench are braided lines stiffer. Braided lines need to be replaced every 2 years because they don't pass any requirements for a road going car and their coating fails and let's dirt into the braiding. The rubber coating is superior because it's more resilient on corrosive environments. This is why braided lines have a silicon covering over the braiding to stop dirt getting in and putting holes in the Teflon. In a lot cases, OEM rubber lines are more expensive to produce than braided lines by companies that self certify. Unless it's an actual racecar, not a streetcar or track car, it's better to replace rubber lines on the 5 year schedule which is when they might start to deteriorate from high track temps. All this information is backed by companies like StopTech and OEMs in public marketing or direct conversations with brake engineers.
I'm a brake nutcase, and it needs to be called out that what is shown in this video should not be taken as fact. Further research is needed before "upgrading" the car. Brake lines are 100% controversy topic, but it's only because of misinformation like in this video keeps getting repeated.
@@MattGreenlandaren’t braided lines just regular rubber brakes with the braided stainless steel over them so they can’t “expand”?
@@piovo5222 No. The reason why they need to be replaced on a shorter schedule is because debris gets in-between the braid and puts a hole in the Teflon, super common. "Good" braided lines have an additional Teflon layer to protect against this, but those breakdown quickly in the elements and need to be inspected frequently.
Foodshot 0/10
Funny how your using stock brakes when half the interweb says BMW brakes are made from cheese...maybe it was the previous M cars?!
The new M cars have amazing brakes, I track my F80 M3 on stock calipers with upgraded pads and rotors and its perfect!
Nurburgring is not THAT demanding on brakes to be honest. so for this use case, the stock blue caliper works fine (assuming you have high temp fluid and track pad). But on a more demanding track such as Laguna Seca, the stock brake just doesn't last.
@@jim1013yyf yes I agree, Laguna Seca is one track that will kill stock brakes.
Interwebs says a lot of sh@t also… about a lot of things.
@@MrTchou haha some of those are. but some others just have different use cases, hence different requirements
Is misha for real it's a car channel and he's explaining this like its for a bunch of 5 year old
Those are the basics.
I do like pops and bangs on my ST 🫣 although i love it that's the car i can afford anyway