@@Mikelp73 You can still get them it's just Speer is keeping it all in house now and not supplying other manufacturers like Underwood anymore with their projectiles.
as someone that casts his own black powder ammo, it's all about composition. the closer to pure lead you get, the easier it expands, the further you get, the harder and less expansion. I've said more than once, you can make slow rounds perform if you get the formula right.
You know your stuff. We forget how deadly black powder rounds were in the civil war. The velocities were nowhere near what smokeless powder rounds are today, but the soft lead projectiles were devastating.
Ye sir. Speer used to make a 38 caliber reloader bullet. A 146 grain half jacket, lead hollow point with the meplat that had the crimp groove. It was spectacular in 357 magnum.
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented I remember it, and the crimp groove made it a decent for black powder, that crimp groove held just enough lube to make it workable. hit like a freight train with both smokeless and bp load outs. My blackhawk loved them.
Beautiful, @@donakahorse . Had a Blackhawk in the seventies. Took it apart and black arkansased the trigger parts. Ooo it was nice after. Sold it to my brother. What does he do,,, sends it back to Ruger for the transfer bar conversion.! 🤢
Pleasantly surprising results. My 1911 has a 4" barrel, I almost never run 230gr through it. 200 gr target stuff and typically 185gr hp. for carry. It really likes those weights. These Gold Dots will be added if I can find them up here in the Peoples Republic of Wash. St...
It’s gold dot. Have no idea why you were so 100% certain it wasn’t going to work. Literally one of the top 3 best self defense ammo manufacturers along with federal HST and Barnes. Their stuff works.
Nice! Good ole Gold Dot. Actually I was worried they weren’t gonna open up from the short barrel. Glad I was wrong too. That was fantastic performance all the way around. I definitely would carry these if I’m in a 45 frame of mind. Awesome stuff as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
The rule of thumb made up by people a lot smarter and more experienced than I am, is to use lighter bullets in short barrels, and heavier bullets in long barrels. I am not a gunsmith or even a reloader but from what I and others have seen, this rule of thumb works. Thanks for another informative video. I have not idea why you don't have over 100k subscribers yet but you certainly deserve them and a lot more.
I've used Gold Dots in my 45acp since the '90s, then I started using the HST since the 2000's. Now I use whichever is in stock, and the best price. I've never used the short barrel version.
You hurt my feelings with that weather report at the beginning as it's 97 with a heat index of 110 here in south Florida.... for us the deadliest part of that test would be wearing the denim fleece and 2 cotton t-shirts we would be dead long before ever being hit with either round ..lol. always enjoy your videos in my opinion you and the turkey opinion are the best ammo testers on here
Would like to see a video of you going over top performing ammo brands in each of the popular calibers, 9mm 40sw 45acp etc. Love the content ! Keep up the good work
Well thank you for that test, my wifey and I both have the G-30, and we use the Gold Dot...regular ones, and never thought that it possibly "wouldn't work", but now I see that they will!
Good test, Brian! I got some of the short barrel Gold Dots and found that the SB bullets would at least partially expand down to 750 fps! Penetration was in the 14" range. By the time I got up to 850, the bullets were expanding fully while retaining the penetration depth. By the time I reached a max velocity of 950 (per the Speer reloading manual) the bullets were fully expanded with the petal folded back along the shank of the bullet and penetration had improved to about 18". Ok, to be fair I have never tested the 230 gr Gold Dot because I personally use the 185 gr Gold Dot, which has very similar results to the 230 SB bullet, including penetration. Truth is, I've never even bought any of the 230 GD's because I simply don't trust them to open, especially if the range is extended very much! I have tested 230 gr Hydrashoks and had several failures with a Colt Comnander and the Glock 21. So I've shied away from the heavy 230's and relied on the 185's for self defense purposes. Gold Dots have a reputation of opening well at most 'normal' velocities but I sure have a lot more confidence that the SB version will definitely work with the 230 gr bullets! So while most of my back up ammo is the 185, I do have a couple hundred of the 230 gr SB rounds loaded up. First pick is still the Lehigh Xtreme Defender but my back up stuff is pretty good, too! Cheers, jc
Ah so by making the walls of the crater in the short barrel projectiles thinner it is able to expand with less energy. Even though the standard gold dot expanded too i think they intended the short barrel stuff to be used in an even shorter barrel than that glock.
I'm honestly not surprised that it performed. I seen someone testing both regular Federal HST and the plus P version of the HST through a Smith & Wesson Shield 45 which has a 3.3 inch barrel, and those were averaging between 780 - 820 FPS and they performed well. I have however seen Federal punch being tested through The Shield 45 and only getting 750 FPS and it would not open up and perform at all in synthetic gel.
Great video Tools. Been working my ass off this summer so i need to do some catching up on your videos. Hopefully you've done some 44 mag stuff. Thanks Tools!
Whoa! Looks like Speer actually does some R&D and good testing with the design of their projectiles. Like you, I wasn’t expecting that kind of performance with the weight and speed of the projectiles.
@@WayStedYou Right?! What’s up with that Uppercut junk? I love their Stingers. Even the Mini Mag’s. But they struck out on the Upoercut. I think they tried to compete with the Federal Punch, but failed.
Those are some beautiful looking lead flowers! Also I was wondering what you do with all of the expanded bullets that you’ve tested? Do you have them display? If you do, that would be cool to see
The 45 ACP doesn't really need high velocities as long as the projectile is engineered for standard velocities. Gold Dots are generally money in terms of matching performance to designed velocities in their products. The biggest flaw in this loading is that it is absolutely a standard pressure load and the energy is notably lower than more fiesty +P offerings.
I'm with you I wasn't expecting good performance. Especially anything that's not pushing close to a 1000 fps. Good job Speer! Great test!! Appreciate you!!
It seems like if the mfg bothers to tailor the bullet to the speed it can be great if they don't say bullets designed for 9mm in 380 loads it can seriously underperform.
I got some of both of these. If you really want to see interesting expansion shoot the short barrel version through a full size gun with a long barrel. Boy, do they open wide. The 357 magnum short barrel version is great too. The 230 grain 45 acp regular loads do qell, but they really excel out of a carbine rifle though. Get that heavy bullet moving faster.
Nice, great test and results. Once again good to see both barrel lengths performing really well. Speer Gold Dot is usually a good buy for the performance. Nice penetration and expansion. Good to see the consistency. Good .45acp results. Price would be the difference agreed. 👍 Thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸👊🇺🇸🇺🇸
I am really glad you did this test, it's something I had wondered about, short vs. standard. Both of my EDC's are 3.3 inch, one in 45 and one in 9mm. Thanks for the info Bro, HAGW 👍👊👊
Glad to see both performed extremely well from a short bbl !! Thank you so much for your efforts and to be honest I was rooting against your initial thoughts on these big 230gr projectiles. I am sure glad they did way better than you expected. I found some of these things on sale last year and bought 6 boxes which was all I could afford at the time.. I would love to see them run through a full size 1911, if you can possibly do it unless you have already done one and its one of the very few videos of yours, that I missed somehow! My home defense pistols that stay in my night stand are a Kimber Custom ll Stainless steel government model with a set of Crimson Trace laser grips grips, and I love it. Also have a Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 10mm with a 4.6" bbl with a Holson green dot sight mounted on it, which I love also..
By the way I did mount a Olight Baldr Pro R 1350 lumens with green laser sight in the unit on my Smith and wesson m&p 2.0 10mm and it's been holding zero just fine after 50 + rds of practice ammo, I was afraid it might not hold zero under the full power load ammo but I have used the quick release to remove it and reinstall it and so far no shift in zero. Also bought a Olight Javelot pro after watching your video and it is a great long throw light!! Thanks so much, Brother!!
I fell for the marketing and carry the short barrel version in my Springfield XDs. That said, I'm satisfied with my choice. Thank you for another excellent and informative video.
Great test! Funny timing for me, I bought a G30 gen 4 yesterday from soss, police trade that other buyers say are like new for $369, it's actually my first Glock. I watched your videos on the HST before deciding to go for it to make sure there was a defensive option that actually performs in the short barrel. Looks like gold dots make the grade also! Thanks and you take care!
Excellent results! The short barrel GD round is what my friend carries in his Rock Island 3.50 1911 he says he put 5K rounds through it & no problems except a bit of rust but easily remedied. It's one of those all metal guns that like to run wet with lot's of gun oil like the Beretta92FS.
I bought some 45/230 Gold Dot bullets to handload for my Commander-length 1911. Speer had the option of standard or short barrel projectiles. I always suspected that was the singular difference between the loads, and this test confirms it. (Despite what some folks want to believe, there is no magical fairy dust wunderpowder that makes bullets go faster from short barrels.)
Lucky Gunner tested both of these cartridges with a 3.3" barrel. All 10 shots expanded well. The difference was the short barrel bullet over expanded a tad. It was 0.1" narrower in OD. It penetrated one inch deeper than the standard round.
Enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing! I'd love if you ever decide > to see you do a gel test comparison of 380 Xtreme Defender vs other popular 9mm self defense ammo
Can say from my own experience. God Dolt 230gr JHP and Federal HST 230gr are both very solid performers. That said I did also like Speer’s 200gr JHP +P…. Lot of energy for a .45 in that load… 518ft/lb is advertised, duno what it actually is as I didn’t have a chronograph back then.
Nice test brother. Nice to see Gold Dot perform as expected. I would run either but go with what's cheaper of the two. I have a 4.75 inch 45 so either will do nicely.
One thing Paul Harrell did/does was test against bone, it would be nice to see some testing against bone, would like to see how a 45acp FMJ and HP fair against some serious bone, go all the way, skull bone maybe ?
@@Gator69420 mrgunsngear did a text of the 9mm 124 grn. years ago and they did well. But I would like to see more tests, Especially like the 357 mag stuff like that
@@corybrown8422 for sure man! It’s priced pretty well but I know how a lot of that cheap stuff is. I try and stick with HST, Gold dots and underwood 🤷🏼♂️
I remember when Gold Dot came out, was pretty much the first bonded that made it bigtime. I was hoping it would do well. When it came out the only other real 'premium' stuff I remember was Hydrashock and these were vasty better in all the tests I saw. I had to look it up, it's even older than I thought. Debuted in 1991, so was out for a long time when I got into all this.
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This man is singlehandedly bringing the truth to people through testing and I'm here for it. A crucial channel for any firearm owner to follow!
Appreciate that, my friend!😎👊
I totally agree
@@ToolsandTargetsappreciate you my friend, been here from the beginning and your channel is #1!!
Preach it brother! T&Ts needs to be at the 100K Sub tier.
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Someone in the Speer’s marketing department is looking for a bonus.
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I thought they didn’t exist anymore?
@@Mikelp73 You can still get them it's just Speer is keeping it all in house now and not supplying other manufacturers like Underwood anymore with their projectiles.
@@LuckyDog350X unless its federal
@@WayStedYou Aren't Federal, Speer and CCI all the same company or at least all owned by the same company? So still 'in house'?
I've said it before and I'll keep saying it! Tools is a ammo testin prophet!, no body on the planet is better! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Appreciate ya, brother!😎👊
@@Ilovemyrevolvers777 I'll 2nd that, with no hesitation whatsoever Heck, yeah!!!
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Truer words have never been spoken sir. 🇺🇸
as someone that casts his own black powder ammo, it's all about composition. the closer to pure lead you get, the easier it expands, the further you get, the harder and less expansion. I've said more than once, you can make slow rounds perform if you get the formula right.
They got these right.😎👊
You know your stuff. We forget how deadly black powder rounds were in the civil war. The velocities were nowhere near what smokeless powder rounds are today, but the soft lead projectiles were devastating.
Ye sir. Speer used to make a 38 caliber reloader bullet. A 146 grain half jacket, lead hollow point with the meplat that had the crimp groove. It was spectacular in 357 magnum.
@@LogisticallyMisrepresented I remember it, and the crimp groove made it a decent for black powder, that crimp groove held just enough lube to make it workable. hit like a freight train with both smokeless and bp load outs. My blackhawk loved them.
Beautiful, @@donakahorse . Had a Blackhawk in the seventies. Took it apart and black arkansased the trigger parts. Ooo it was nice after. Sold it to my brother. What does he do,,, sends it back to Ruger for the transfer bar conversion.! 🤢
And so the GD joined the HST low speed expansion club. F…ing impressive.
Still, I think the 200 grain GD would mop the floor with both of them
Mhmm 😎👊
I love the 200 grainer, they even performed great from my GAP
Pleasantly surprising results. My 1911 has a 4" barrel, I almost never run 230gr through it. 200 gr target stuff and typically 185gr hp. for carry. It really likes those weights. These Gold Dots will be added if I can find them up here in the Peoples Republic of Wash. St...
Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊
Good performance at such a slow speed! Thanks Tools!
Yessir 😎👊
It’s gold dot. Have no idea why you were so 100% certain it wasn’t going to work. Literally one of the top 3 best self defense ammo manufacturers along with federal HST and Barnes. Their stuff works.
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I put certain Underwoods on par or even better than HST.
Nice! Good ole Gold Dot. Actually I was worried they weren’t gonna open up from the short barrel. Glad I was wrong too. That was fantastic performance all the way around. I definitely would carry these if I’m in a 45 frame of mind. Awesome stuff as always 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Yeah, I figured that was too slow for these chunky boys.
The rule of thumb made up by people a lot smarter and more experienced than I am, is to use lighter bullets in short barrels, and heavier bullets in long barrels. I am not a gunsmith or even a reloader but from what I and others have seen, this rule of thumb works. Thanks for another informative video. I have not idea why you don't have over 100k subscribers yet but you certainly deserve them and a lot more.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊
I've used Gold Dots in my 45acp since the '90s, then I started using the HST since the 2000's. Now I use whichever is in stock, and the best price. I've never used the short barrel version.
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Now you have a good excuse to go out and pick up something with a short barrel.
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Too late. I bought my Springfield XD-E .45 a couple years ago.
I see Bond arms with a 2.5" barrel... what out there is shorter than that?
You hurt my feelings with that weather report at the beginning as it's 97 with a heat index of 110 here in south Florida.... for us the deadliest part of that test would be wearing the denim fleece and 2 cotton t-shirts we would be dead long before ever being hit with either round ..lol. always enjoy your videos in my opinion you and the turkey opinion are the best ammo testers on here
😂😂😂 Don't feel too bad. This was the last test from earlier last week. Yesterday's batch for this weekend was low 90's.🔥🥵🔥
Been looking forward to this test. Happy to see 230’s work well. Would love to see you test them in a 5 inch. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
Appreciate ya!😎👊
Would like to see a video of you going over top performing ammo brands in each of the popular calibers, 9mm 40sw 45acp etc. Love the content ! Keep up the good work
Well thank you for that test, my wifey and I both have the G-30, and we use the Gold Dot...regular ones, and never thought that it possibly "wouldn't work", but now I see that they will!
Definitely some good ones.😎👊
Good test, Brian! I got some of the short barrel Gold Dots and found that the SB bullets would at least partially expand down to 750 fps! Penetration was in the 14" range. By the time I got up to 850, the bullets were expanding fully while retaining the penetration depth. By the time I reached a max velocity of 950 (per the Speer reloading manual) the bullets were fully expanded with the petal folded back along the shank of the bullet and penetration had improved to about 18".
Ok, to be fair I have never tested the 230 gr Gold Dot because I personally use the 185 gr Gold Dot, which has very similar results to the 230 SB bullet, including penetration. Truth is, I've never even bought any of the 230 GD's because I simply don't trust them to open, especially if the range is extended very much! I have tested 230 gr Hydrashoks and had several failures with a Colt Comnander and the Glock 21. So I've shied away from the heavy 230's and relied on the 185's for self defense purposes.
Gold Dots have a reputation of opening well at most 'normal' velocities but I sure have a lot more confidence that the SB version will definitely work with the 230 gr bullets! So while most of my back up ammo is the 185, I do have a couple hundred of the 230 gr SB rounds loaded up. First pick is still the Lehigh Xtreme Defender but my back up stuff is pretty good, too!
Cheers,
jc
Thank you sir. Interesting stuff.😎👊
I prefer the 185 +P, but either of these are fine.
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Another Awesome vid.
Thank you sir.😎👊
I would like to see what happens to the short barrel version if you fire it out of a 5 or 6 inch barrel
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Best ammo testing channel on TH-cam. Great works man love the channel.
200grn+P vs 230grn standard would be a great video.
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Ah so by making the walls of the crater in the short barrel projectiles thinner it is able to expand with less energy. Even though the standard gold dot expanded too i think they intended the short barrel stuff to be used in an even shorter barrel than that glock.
Looks that way.😎👊
Tools - That was definitely an interesting one. I'm honestly impressed w/ those. Thanks for putting in the work, Sir!!
Agreed. Good stuff.😎👊
I'm honestly not surprised that it performed. I seen someone testing both regular Federal HST and the plus P version of the HST through a Smith & Wesson Shield 45 which has a 3.3 inch barrel, and those were averaging between 780 - 820 FPS and they performed well. I have however seen Federal punch being tested through The Shield 45 and only getting 750 FPS and it would not open up and perform at all in synthetic gel.
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I'm glad to see a video on the speer gold dot short barrel 👍🏽
Great video Sir! I've often wondered if the short-barrel ammo made any difference. Thank you so much!
Great video Tools. Been working my ass off this summer so i need to do some catching up on your videos. Hopefully you've done some 44 mag stuff. Thanks Tools!
Wow, Speer does it again ! Nice test my friend. Thanks again for all the hard work.
Whoa! Looks like Speer actually does some R&D and good testing with the design of their projectiles. Like you, I wasn’t expecting that kind of performance with the weight and speed of the projectiles.
Looks like it.😎👊
They should send their engineers over to the CCI department for that uppercut considering they are under the same umbrella
@@WayStedYou Right?! What’s up with that Uppercut junk? I love their Stingers. Even the Mini Mag’s. But they struck out on the Upoercut. I think they tried to compete with the Federal Punch, but failed.
would be interesting to see if any performance differentance out of a longer barrel
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Impressive looking results, thanks for your ongoing deep dives into bullet performance Brian
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Great Job! Way to keep the ammo makers honest and innovating!
Those are some beautiful looking lead flowers! Also I was wondering what you do with all of the expanded bullets that you’ve tested? Do you have them display? If you do, that would be cool to see
I actually have em in a plastic tub right now. I had thought about trying to use em for some type of epoxy tabletop but haven't decided.
@@ToolsandTargets that is exactly what I was thinking! If you do make something I definitely want to see it!
Do you ever get tired of being so good ha ha ha
Never!😜
Both of these kick ass for sure. Good defensive rounds!
Yessir 😎👊
I think that’s the most consistent I’ve seen
Didn’t expect that performance
Me either.😎👊
Speer Gold Dot is undefeated!
The 45 ACP doesn't really need high velocities as long as the projectile is engineered for standard velocities. Gold Dots are generally money in terms of matching performance to designed velocities in their products. The biggest flaw in this loading is that it is absolutely a standard pressure load and the energy is notably lower than more fiesty +P offerings.
Yep. I was thinking the same thing about the energy.
Speer Gold Dots have a stellar reputation for a reason. They perform 👍👍
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I'm with you I wasn't expecting good performance. Especially anything that's not pushing close to a 1000 fps. Good job Speer! Great test!! Appreciate you!!
Heavyweights gettin it done this time.😎👊
It seems like if the mfg bothers to tailor the bullet to the speed it can be great if they don't say bullets designed for 9mm in 380 loads it can seriously underperform.
1:37 Only T&T would find this oddity. I know this is going to be an excellent video. One of the best channels! 🎉
Thank you sir!😎👊
Just the test I wanted to see. I have a Baby Eagle with a short barrel. Good to know either one will expand in a short barrel.
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The only difference is probably price. I only use a 5 inch barrel for 45acp. Great video as always thanks? Your the man!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Every video you put out is a must watcher
Appreciate that!😎👊
I got some of both of these. If you really want to see interesting expansion shoot the short barrel version through a full size gun with a long barrel. Boy, do they open wide. The 357 magnum short barrel version is great too.
The 230 grain 45 acp regular loads do qell, but they really excel out of a carbine rifle though. Get that heavy bullet moving faster.
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I remember checking tests on short barrel HST and it did the same or worse as regular in a short barrel.
Doesn't surprise me a bit.😎👊
May have missed it hat man , but did you ever review that .41 Mag you bought ? As always a great review today.
Nice test! Looks like you found my new round for my RIA 3.10 ! Still waiting on that 45/70 test 😅 Good on ya 😉
As always, a great demonstration!
Great video as always
Another fine round of Jelly Time testing with a very nice round, thanks.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Excellent test and results ! Thanks Tools !
Thank you sir.😎👊
Nice, great test and results. Once again good to see both barrel lengths performing really well. Speer Gold Dot is usually a good buy for the performance. Nice penetration and expansion. Good to see the consistency. Good .45acp results. Price would be the difference agreed. 👍 Thanks for sharing and be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸👊🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you sir. 😎👊
The HST of the past. Gold Dot still works.
Yep
I am really glad you did this test, it's something I had wondered about, short vs. standard. Both of my EDC's are 3.3 inch, one in 45 and one in 9mm. Thanks for the info Bro, HAGW 👍👊👊
I wouldn’t be afraid to carry either one of those
Same
That's a pleasant surprise for those heavy bullets.
Mhmm
Would you please think about measuring the bullet weight before the shot?
As usual, an outstanding job. Never miss your test. Get-R-Done!
Semper Fi ✝️🇺🇸
Glad to see both performed extremely well from a short bbl !! Thank you so much for your efforts and to be honest I was rooting against your initial thoughts on these big 230gr projectiles. I am sure glad they did way better than you expected. I found some of these things on sale last year and bought 6 boxes which was all I could afford at the time.. I would love to see them run through a full size 1911, if you can possibly do it unless you have already done one and its one of the very few videos of yours, that I missed somehow! My home defense pistols that stay in my night stand are a Kimber Custom ll Stainless steel government model with a set of Crimson Trace laser grips grips, and I love it. Also have a Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 10mm with a 4.6" bbl with a Holson green dot sight mounted on it, which I love also..
You have the standard or short barrel ones?
@@ToolsandTargets Standard Government Model 5"bbl, 10mm Standard 4.6" bbl same as G-20...
By the way I did mount a Olight Baldr Pro R 1350 lumens with green laser sight in the unit on my Smith and wesson m&p 2.0 10mm and it's been holding zero just fine after 50 + rds of practice ammo, I was afraid it might not hold zero under the full power load ammo but I have used the quick release to remove it and reinstall it and so far no shift in zero. Also bought a Olight Javelot pro after watching your video and it is a great long throw light!! Thanks so much, Brother!!
@@rogerjohnson6733 I mean which Gold Dot was it you bought?
Standard load, sorry my brain fails to engage in drive part of the time, lol!!
Glad to see Speer is still producing quality ammo.🎯 Worried after Vista sale is completed same for Federal HST😮 Keep up good work T&T 👍🔫🇺🇸
Yeah, no telling what we'll see.
Good stuff those GD Gold Dots.
Nice review!
Thank you sir.😎👊
The 200gr +p gold dot is my go to for 45acp!
This is the single most underrated channel on TH-cam.
Excellent video!
Surprsing results for sure. They got the design right.
Great video! Thank you!
I fell for the marketing and carry the short barrel version in my Springfield XDs. That said, I'm satisfied with my choice. Thank you for another excellent and informative video.
Great test! Funny timing for me, I bought a G30 gen 4 yesterday from soss, police trade that other buyers say are like new for $369, it's actually my first Glock. I watched your videos on the HST before deciding to go for it to make sure there was a defensive option that actually performs in the short barrel. Looks like gold dots make the grade also! Thanks and you take care!
Thank you sir. I think LEO trade Glocks are the best deal to be had on handguns, period! 😎👊
That’s very impressive. Thanks for the video.
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Excellent results! The short barrel GD round is what my friend carries in his Rock Island 3.50 1911 he says he put 5K rounds through it & no problems except a bit of rust but easily remedied. It's one of those all metal guns that like to run wet with lot's of gun oil like the Beretta92FS.
My GI Rock Island 1911 is the same way.
I bought some 45/230 Gold Dot bullets to handload for my Commander-length 1911. Speer had the option of standard or short barrel projectiles. I always suspected that was the singular difference between the loads, and this test confirms it. (Despite what some folks want to believe, there is no magical fairy dust wunderpowder that makes bullets go faster from short barrels.)
100% agree. Willing to bet the bullet design is the only difference here.
Another great video. We can all make better informed decisions on our ammo purchases because of your tests. Thank you Tools!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Lucky Gunner tested both of these cartridges with a 3.3" barrel. All 10 shots expanded well. The difference was the short barrel bullet over expanded a tad. It was 0.1" narrower in OD. It penetrated one inch deeper than the standard round.
Sounds about right.😎👊
Maybe the difference is lower flash with the short barrel ammo?
Always a great show. I enjoy your hard work especially knowing exactly how hot it is this summer out there.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Great test Brian
Would be awesome to do another test in the longest 45acp barrel you have to see if the short barrel load is softer.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Being completely thrown off by the jelly performance was hilarious!! Great video as usual
Enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing!
I'd love if you ever decide > to see you do a gel test comparison of 380 Xtreme Defender vs other popular 9mm self defense ammo
Definitely picking up some of these !!!
Good ones.😎👊
I'm wondering if standard "hardball" is just as good?
Well a good surprise for both of us Tools thanks for the test love the truth about ammo testing stay safe and God Bless.
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I've been carrying that short barrel stuff in my Glock 30 got it for 15 bucks a box so I got like 10 glad to see it was a good deal
A steal for that price.😎👊
Speer making expanding bowling balls! Nice stuff
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Can say from my own experience. God Dolt 230gr JHP and Federal HST 230gr are both very solid performers. That said I did also like Speer’s 200gr JHP +P…. Lot of energy for a .45 in that load… 518ft/lb is advertised, duno what it actually is as I didn’t have a chronograph back then.
'Booster seat...' LOL
Always look forward to how you're going to start the gel test. Somehow you always come up with something good.
Appreciate that!😎👊
Nice test, excellent results. I don't have either, but I do have some Gold Dot 230 gr .45 +P. Wonder how those would compare?
Thank you sir. More P, More better!😎👊
Nice test brother. Nice to see Gold Dot perform as expected. I would run either but go with what's cheaper of the two. I have a 4.75 inch 45 so either will do nicely.
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Speer is rocking’ it.
Always nice to see someone get the venerable 45acp 230g to perform.
I may pick some up just to have
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Please clone yourself so we can get even more of these videos.
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Good video thanks Tools!
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Wouldn't mind seeing the difference between the two from the 1.9" Derringer size bbl.
Does anyone even make one that small?🤷♂️
Love the Glock 30!
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One thing Paul Harrell did/does was test against bone, it would be nice to see some testing against bone, would like to see how a 45acp FMJ and HP fair against some serious bone, go all the way, skull bone maybe ?
Great ammo test. Thank you.
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Good text as always. Gold dots are just time tested and proven. Would love to see some of that freedom munitions X-Def stuff for us poor folks lol.
They did pretty good in the Ammo Inc loading if I remember correct.
@@ToolsandTargets I did see that one. They did do well.
I’d like to see the xdef from freedom munitions as well! Their 9 and 40 are very well priced but I’m very skeptical
@@Gator69420 mrgunsngear did a text of the 9mm 124 grn. years ago and they did well. But I would like to see more tests, Especially like the 357 mag stuff like that
@@corybrown8422 for sure man! It’s priced pretty well but I know how a lot of that cheap stuff is. I try and stick with HST, Gold dots and underwood 🤷🏼♂️
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I remember when Gold Dot came out, was pretty much the first bonded that made it bigtime. I was hoping it would do well. When it came out the only other real 'premium' stuff I remember was Hydrashock and these were vasty better in all the tests I saw. I had to look it up, it's even older than I thought. Debuted in 1991, so was out for a long time when I got into all this.
Golden Oldie!😎👊