I loved that Plouffe had a mic on himself even though he was out of frame. Or that they did a voice over after on top to simulate that. It came really professional
Its practically a meme for small scale (aka youtube) video productions. Off side Banter, Producer comments, and/or "fake bloopers" were popularized by youtube, and would be considered either incompetent or unprofessional in any other setting. Its part of the "Manufactured Authenticity" content creators with live recordings like to leverage to give that "garage band" feel, despite the fact there are dozens of people who work on it. If anyone remembers iCarly, thats basically the projection they're trying to give. I was never fond of it to begin with..... but once I found out why it was everywhere, it now irritates me even more. Because it means society is again falling for the same trick the music industry has been pulling for decades.
For the features that he was looking that's very likely the lowest price point they had on hand. Not very many 4k full HDR compliant displays below that price point even less likely for them to have them on hand.
Audio engineers use a thing nicknamed a "dirt-box", where they listen to their mix through a set of crappy speakers to make sure it still sounds okay to the average consumer. Perhaps graphic designers should try something equivalent.
@@iAmTheSquidThing And what are those engineers or designers supposed to do if they come to a conclusion that their mix or image performs badly on trash hardware? Tone down the quality of their work?
This is why you master your output towards the demographic that will consume your content. This is why pop music sounds bad for modern/vintage hifi gear. Meanwhile audiophile music sound bad on cheap consumer gear. Pop music sounds better with an M30X and M40X while pianos and strings sound better with M50x/M70x. Likewise for graphics, you adjust your content if your work is meant for online viewing (srgb, high brightness), for photo sharing (profiled, medium-high brightness), for print (fogra39, 60-90cd). You can adjust for all of them to a certain point, with compromises for each so they can all sound or look great regardless how the consumer sees or hears it. This is where _reference_ gear comes to play. It allows you to be at standard or at reference to have a baseline to be as neutral and consistent as possible, then let the consumer's speaker or printer "color" the sounds/photo. From reference, there are many tools at the engineer's/designer's disposal to adapt the reference work towards the output device so that the consumer impact is as intended by the original artist. For print and graphics, we have black point compensation (preserve detail, lose vibrance) and a variety of rendering intents (relative, perceptual, etc) not to mention multiple profiles you can simulate into and the manual curves and LUTs. The reference should also be the widest available shot or crop so you can downcrop it properly (A4, 16:9, 3:4, Cinema). For audio, there are similar tools such as filters, to say, bring a very low important bass to higher frequencies that can be represented by consumer gear such as cars at the expense of less stereoscopic effect and a tighter soundstage. But at least you can feel the bass, yeah? Same banana for other non-sensual fields such as academics. You dont lower the standards just because most people cant understand classical/quantum physics, but editors are open to "downmix" the content so that the impact and understanding is correctly imparted to the intended student at their level that they can appreciate. As the student gains better capability to understand (and perhaps a more developed brain, akin to acquiring better lcds or speaker hardware), you have content ready and made for such demographic.
I know what you mean - I discovered this when switching to an OLED phone. Those blacks, and that absurd contrast, just can't be beat Never used an OLED monitor before, but I would absolutely love to 💯
@I suck at being bad Thanks for that comprehensive reply 😄 Yeah, the coating that goes on a monitor makes a surprisingly large difference. I'm rocking an unremarkable Dell 2K with 99%rgb (U2719D I think it is), but the anti-glare coating is damn-near perfect I doubt my next monitor will rock OLED - my money's better spent prioritising Adobe RGB coverage, but once they become more widespread, I'm definitely jumping on the wave 💯 With your Ultrawide, how well supported are games, websites and apps? One thing that's always stopped me from going 21:9 is that with 16:9, any and all content will view correctly - even Console Emulators. With an Ultrawide, I'm half-expecting black bars to be a regular thing 💭
@@batt3ryac1d Or how in the UK "hoover" was made a generic term because it was frequently used as a term for any vacuum. And a frankly surprising amount of other instances: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks
I appreciate the mention of the Pro Display. It also has the crazy high brightness going for it and the absolutely-no-chance-of-burn-in from being mini LED instead of OLED.
@@MJ-uk6lu So you definitely are a PC user and have no idea about colour or graphics! If you have a cheap monitor, that's all you will see, maybe not even that, but everything else it is missing most of the colour.
@@tarkitarker0815 One thing is that our monitors are also sRGB (I'm guessing) so the HDR "better" image is tonemapped by our display, if that makes any sense. That might be messing with the colors and making the cheaper monitors show other colors.
@@pranavbadrinathan6693 i dont think so, iirc all those youtube vids are made in the same color space, you cant have dynamic colorspace vids with 10% of it srgb and 5% of it dcip-3 without needing days to tinker with it. both of these monitors should look messed up when your theory would be correct. and yeah my monitor didnt get the hdr certification back then because only monitors with 600 nits+ got it, thats how old it is. still rocks tho.
@@tarkitarker0815 Hmm yeah, makes sense. Maybe it is a bit more obvious because of our monitors and because we are not there in person? Idk, or Linus might just be colorblind lol.
The "people generally like the oversaturation: part is interesting, because the same is true for audio. Most people if they were to listen to music on flat response monitors would probably hate the sound of them, but "hifi" speakers and headphones have emphasis in several different frequencies that are found to be generally "more pleasing". In short: Humans are weird
Great comparison. It’s exactly the same as far as ‘creating’ vs ‘consuming’ content as well. Neutral headphones/monitors are usually more for creating music rather than listening to already mastered music but aye, use what sounds good to you. lol
I love oversaturated games for one reason, life is depressing enough, I want fantasy colored rainbow puke instead of depressing brown and dark green, thanks.
I would honestly want that monitor for my gaming rig if it weren't OLED. I'm running a lower end professional artist IPS display with great color space and 5 years later it's still a game changer compared to my cheap TN panels I use as side monitors. It really helps make games feel more real compared to just oversaturating anything. Alas I ain't paying 4k for a monitor, even just the 500 I shelled out for mine is on the upper end of what I can justify to myself.
@@RAHelllord also cheap ips panels are now a thing. Shit color accuracy but good viewing angles. I have on in my laptop and there are somethings I can see are a different color on my phone but shit on my laptop. The laptop I'm using right now retailed for like $700 new (probably), paid $500 for it and has 66% sRGB coverage. Its not good.
The thing is for sRGB content you don't need reaaallly expensive monitor. Generally decent IPS panel with good calibrating possibilities will be good after calibrating (although factory calibration will suck hard). I have Dell S2721DGF and yes at base monitor calibration sucked, but after calibration reviewers give it very close rating. Thing is you either need expensive monitor or... monitor and expensive calibrator for own use.
@@joesterling4299 Or just... more... why always jump to the extreme? Saying "everybody who is willing to / can spend 2k on a monitor must be a millionaire" is as unrealistic as saying "everybody watching this video is so poor they're watching it on a 40$ display".
3:35 SDR can Display more then sRGB, AdobeRGB and DCI P3 itself are NO HDR Color Spaces. Also the ICC Profiles LG said they have created in the Colour Management PDF so not exist. Thats great Customer Support for a Product thats Nearly a year old.
Printers are usually CMYK - I don't know many (if any) RGB printers out there. Professional printing (at least back when I was in publishing) was CMYK only.
Gigabytes new M32Q and M27Q are god sends when it comes to quality IPS 1440p high refresh rate panels at a great price. It's nice to see IPS monitors finally coming down in price. Wish I waited last year before I bought a VA panel😔
Surprised to see a OLED used for a color accurate display with the degradation and all. But not complaining that there's finally a OLED monitor outside a laptop or tv sized display.
This Oled is very accurate and with all the countermeasurements degradation will not be a problem. For professional use you have to calibrate your monitor regularly anyways.
@@geiers6013 Exactly, ALL monitors degrade over time, its just OLED if you're unlucky is much more obvious. I've seen a lot of old LCD TVs where the backlights have dulled or become horribly discoloured, its just somewhat easier to ignore than pixel burn in.
6:00 Looking at the video on an LG OLED TV, either the camera's catching details Linus is missing, missing details Linus is catching, or I have no idea why he's not screaming "OLED GAMING ROCKS" to the skies. The OLED monitor is obviously far superior to the LCD/IPS, even from the camera distance. 7:15 "The difference is really not as much as you might want, though". Is the man blind? Or...does he just prefer oversaturated, over-bright images with bleed?
Is that actually the name of the game that they are playing at 3:20? Considering I played it on PlayStation one/original. it's the thing that caught my eye the most in this video and I am desperately searching for the title. It's just too nice to look like tomb raider I need to have some Verification please. I might actually want to take up gaming. That is of course if I can get a graphics card?
So usually a lot of color professionals dont need WIDER ranges, they need EXACT ON POINT ranges. As a colorist I want rec709 100% at 100nit brightness that is easy to calibrate and that keeps calibration as long as possible as calibration is kinda not cheap. So its not a race about bigger and better, its about being accurate to the standart. DCI P3 on a monitor is kinda a gimmick before you go into big budgets grades for theaters and still you would work with a projector aswell at least for 2-4 work days to keep it in check, as projector is still different As for hdr current state is that there is a lot of different hdr standarts so people tend to use a lot of displays to monitor
exactly, i work the same way. I just need coverage of the sRGB and 709 for most of my work. Going beyond that is fancy but not needed and some applications look funky when doing so. The 2 times a year i am going to print something and i don´t get 100% coverage of all the colors, i can make do with "these dark greens may come out a tad more saturated" for these small print thingis.
Exactly. I ended up with a Viewsonic VP 2768 1440p 60 Hz panel precisely because of this. It's 100% SRGB and REC 709. It was also only $400, which is within my budget range. I couldn't quite stretch the extra cash to get the 4k version. It has modes that you can turn on to enable faster pixel refresh for gaming, so it's been a good compromise for me as someone who both needs color accuracy for actual work and likes to game.
Just working with China doesn't mean a company is endorsing genocide. If that were true nearly every even semi-large and bigger western company would be guilty lmao And who are you quoting?
Jesus! You finally and totally answered a question I have had for a long time. I have been having a challenge and couldn't figure it out. Now I know what part of it might be. I have been upgrading all the wrong things!
Honestly, I'm so used to everyone else's audio being shouted and picked up elsewhere compared to Linus' that I found the clarity jarring. Like I'm still not 100% sure he was actually having a conversation with Linus at the time but with a proper mike or if it was post voice-over narration.
Honestly Linus through the camera in the test between the LG and the Acer the Acer had this kinda green tinge to it and the LG looked a LOT more natural but I can't judge as I haven't seen them in person
Which is odd, as you shouldn't be able to see any difference on a screen that doesn't support 100% AdobeRGB/DCIP3 (and is an OLED) to begin with. Something tells me the monitor on the right just wasn't calibrated well (or at all).
Yeah MASSIVE difference indeed. I "saw" it "instantly" on my 7 year old 100 bucks TN panel monitor at 720p. I am so hyped. I already placed an order for 12 of those monitors. One for each room of my house. Really love how that Oled looks on 720p with almost no colour accuracy, not to take into account YT's video compression algorithms. I'm sure it's much better than seeing them side by side in person. Yuge, yuge difference.
I feel like an idiot intently starting at the video looking for differences and then realizing I'm watching a youtube video about a display that has a wider color range & accuracy than is even possible on my monitor. Even if it was I'd also be relying on youtube, the rendering software and the camera not to let me down in the between stages.
does not even fucking matter 100% srgb and 72% dcip-3 will get the job done to notice differences, the camera is atleast red camera level, and linus clearly fucked up the comparison, the 2k monitor was highly yellow and the cheaper 400 usd monitor quite green. the expensive one clear, but idk how clear since my monitor only has like 75% dcip-3 anyway.
Plouffe on mic was a perfect decision. Really appreciated having the clear understandable voice over that he appeared to provide. Smooth and pleasing too 👌🏼
From 7:00 which monitor is the expensive one? By the way the comparison of the two screens, I prefer the left one because the right one has the most colors have a green tint. Lara's Shirt is blue. On the right monitor, you see Lara's Shirt to be greenish. The left monitor is LG. So I prefer the left monitor.
5:00 .*Linus staring at her ass close up talking about dark areas behind her* "This is very nice!" Yep, I agree not only as gamer but also as man 5:45 "Nipple navigation" - Oh boy, it's getting better!
I do this on the regular, for people who have nice gear and want to take it from hobby to pro, so color matching monitors to printers and so on. Even with the highest quality pro and field specific monitors, I have never been able to get 100% what I see on the screen to what the printer outputs. I use spectrophotometers in calibrated scenarios etc like the kind of gear that institutions buy. I can get close -real close- and technically perfect (matching known values etc), but there is still a difference that goes beyond making matches numerically or offsetting for ambience etc.. So yeah, while not wanting to call myself an expert (primarily because I dont want the liability of that), I do have 30 years experience doing it.
What's weird is looking at it on this video, maybe it's my monitor, maybe it's the angle Brandon shot at, but Acer just looked green, where the LG looks correct so hard to say on the "may not look different" side
ips has been used for color accuracy for many years, glad to see oled is geeting as good as ips in color accuracy since oled is already better than ips in many other ways.
OLED has always been better in regards to color accuracy and viewing angles. Image retention used to be an issue (and still can be). They also didn't get as bright as some IPS monitors, but those were mostly TVs anyway.
I could be wrong but I think for tone-mapping to work you need a functioning CMS-system in software and hardware. Games under Windows on a monitor that supports a color volume greater than sRGB will simply look over-saturated. Not be correctly tone-mapped. If they where correctly tone-mapped a game graded for sRGB should look the same even if the display covers the entries Rec 2020 color space or just sRGB. More color might look better for some people but in general games in SDR should always follow the sRGB color space. HDR is a different ballgame but as mentioned I don’t think this is a solid HDR option.
A few wrong things in this video: DO NOT turn the hdr brightness to maximum in games especially not on Oleds. Also hdtv tested this monitor for professional (hdr) mastering and it is much better and more accurate. The price is actually very cheap for what it does.
Eric is correct. HDR uses the full range of brightness to display content. Meaning the brightest elements on screen will top out at the max nits of the monitor. Because of this, brighness cannot, and should not be user adjustable. This is also why some people find cinema HDR difficult to watch during the day. (And why quite a few manufacturers have a out-of-spec HDR setting that boosts the darker elements within an image to counter that problem by compressing the dynamic range.
Ugh. I came here to comment on LTT somehow conflating HDR and color space (and maybe they could do a TechQuickie... or TechSlowie as it's a LOT to cover correctly), but now I'm sidetracked by this. Users should *absolutely* be able to adjust brightness in HDR. It's too bright? Dim it. It's too dark? Go ahead, and make it brighter. There's absolutely nothing about HDR content that should somehow disallow this, certainly not technical limitations, and anyone saying otherwise should join film directors who insist that their movies should be viewed only in the most top of the line cinemas and never ever on a phone screen. Gag. The industry already did a primo job screwing up with the concept of non-linear brightness and making every content creator have to be 'gamma'-aware, when this should have been solely a display-side calibration thing. Please do not allow that same industry to continue to royally screw up concepts surrounding HDR content when it is absolutely the easiest thing to get right without complicating a thing like this.
@@ericdfdsfsdfsdf4788 Yes, but in games you have to set the brightnes and often the gamma yourself. Otherwise the colors are to compressed or washed out. The game engine does not know which monitor you are using and the gamma and maximum brightness could be all over the place wothout the possibility to adjust. There is hgig to do what you said, but most games do not have a good hdr implementation.
@@PanoWorks Here's the thing though: HDR is already using max brightness, always. So the dynamic range is the highest it can be, enabling the kind of pop of highlights HDR is known for. So manually adjusting brightness would just be useful to turn it down, make it less bright. And that would make the image unwatchable, as the darker elements would just all disappear into complete darkness. Which means you just can't see half of what is being displayed. This is why some TV and monitor manufacturers have an elevated HDR preset, that uses an algorithm to boost the darker scenes of an HDR image without screwing with the dynamic range too much. Of course I'm talking about real HDR here, dolby vision and HDR10+ displayed on HDR monitors with local dimming or OLEDs, not the normal kind of HDR400 or below spec TVs or monitors, where HDR is mostly just a gimmick that is similar to cranking the brightness all the way up.
I'd absolutely love for OLED displays to become more common for gaming at some point. IPS, TN and VA all have different drawbacks that are insufferable to choose between, especially when the panels themselves can vary in quality. I know OLED isn't perfect either, and that burn-in is a big concern. But there's clearly very creative solutions to that problem. Dealing with IPS glow, TN gamma/color shift and VA smearing sucks.
I've gotten into arguments about HDR content, about how the color depth doesnt make that much of a difference, especially for gaming. Contrast, sure, but you don't need HDR for an OLED or a top notch VA to be noticeably better there. An IPS could use it, but unless you game in the dark its just about tradeoff, and honestly refresh rate/pixel response and G2G response is by far and wide the most noticeable when gaming even in RPGs and 2D indie games, my go to stuff other than FPS.
Bro, I’ve had my HP25X for ages and I’m completely satisfied with it, don’t see the point going wet in ur pants when u see OLED with HDR. After all, it’s my opinion and I respect yours.
Agree. I've tried to get HDR games to work on my LG C9 OLED TV, but enabling HDR made my non-HDR games look like dogsh!t, being either too dark to see or all-washed out and grey, meanwhile the few HDR games didn't look that much better in HDR. SDR already looks stunning on my OLED. To me HDR is still finicky, experimental early adopter technology and it's just not worth the hassle. I disabled HDR for the Input that my PC is connected to on my TV. HDR may be "The Future", but in my experience "future tech" always means it's not ready for a good user experience yet. I'll wait til it finally made it into the present, being stable and well supported, including legacy!
Color depth, that is if you're talking about higher bit depth helps avoid the banding that would be caused by stretching an 8bit image across a large color space such as rec. 2020 and the large stretches of luminance that HDR requires to do right (some films being graded to 2000 nits in some scenes
Majushri, HDR setting in the games helps with SRGB as well (contract, as you mentioned) because it allows more correct lighting calculations in the GPU (uses bigger number types, possibly different tonemapper and what not else). I didn't even know there was a hardware HDR setting until now.
Just a tip one of the biggest reasons you find glossier displays look superior is for the simple fact that glossy displays allow more of the light coming through the screen to be done so unfiltered where as matte diffuses the light and degrades color, contrast and sharpness. I am surprised we do not have any real glossy monitor options today except for Apple products and I also equally as shocked that Linus doesn't even know these simple things.
Waiting for the displays (and the majority of internet content) to be able to utilise the REC.2020 gamut coverage. But considering that the majority is sRGB, it is probably quite a way off
I would *hope* that something at this price would have hardware 3D LUTs, but you guys didn't mention it anywhere in the video. And isn't that pertinent to colorists and people doing final masters of content?
to be fair like if you know how to work in color you probably already have photoshop or like a 3D lut software so you could just make your own lut if you wanted to lol
I got a question techies. Is it possible to store a game/program on a HDD and when I'm ready to use it, the SSD is what runs it. To be more clear, I wanna know if my faster SSD can run the game I want but my slower HDD just stores it.
You know what would bebinteresting to know is why we have so less oleds on the monitor market compared to the smartphone market. I heard the tech is different but what is sobspecial about it and which tech (lcd vs oled) is more enviromentally friendly ?
OLED I believe draws less power than LCD, but OLED tech is also a lot more expensive. That's why OLED tv's are rarely less than £1000. As for phones, I imagine it's a lot cheaper to manufacturer a 7 inch OLED compared to a 55 inch one, so that's perhaps why it's more widespread. And the lack of OLED monitors? I have absolutely no idea why - I'd love to see more in the mid-range market.
Hey Linus! I guess you guys saw my comment. For me, this makes it even more complicated, I mean - different profile colors as well can be a huge benefit for a preset, as somebody might do a calibration of the same screen. (Ofc, this is not the way you should do it, but this creates a problem as displays still vary out of the box.) I think that cameras today are more future advanced, which makes that issue of consumer monitors not being up to date or even true HDR. What is even auto HDR on windows?
CRT monitors are actually one of the most accurate displays color-wise. They also are the fastest in terms of input lag. Enjoy it because those old beauties are insane! Even though the low resolution kind of sucks.
@@Vazio3 crt monitors are pretty okay at upscaling resolution past their "rated" as long as you don't go way out of its refresh range, crts sre very flexible and scalable. Used to run a Samtron 75v well past 1280x 1024. Vga and dvi cables can both support over 1920x1080p.
@@Vazio3 Only if it was a high-end CRT. I've owned plenty of consumer models and they ALL sucked for black levels, causing black crush if I tried to drop the brightness low enough to get true blacks. OLED absolutely blows away any CRT I ever owned for black levels and contrast in general. I suspect even a half decent IPS would look better. More importantly for me, I'm very sensitive to flickering so CRT even at high refresh rate bothered me, and also why I can't use black frame insertion on modern screens.
I wish I still had my Trinitron. It crapped out and it turns out that repairing a CRT is just about the hardest thing to accomplish these days, you might as well as throw it in a landfill if anything goes wrong with one.
Yeah the cheap one definitely looked super green in comparison, maybe they looked different in person but the color on the left one is way better over youtube at least.
You could always mess with your gpu color settings to try and make it look better than default color settings. Most monitor screens are not calibrated or could be calibrated more than factory settings.
@@tonyeng2663 You don't actually want to do that though, unless colour banding is a non-issue to you. It heavily impacts colour gradients on every monitor I tried that with.
I just got an Asus proart 27 inch monitor (the cheap 1440p one, not 4k) for photo editing and I'm editing my first batch of pictures as this video came on in my playlist. I am blown away compared to the laptop screen i was using before and relative to the price i paid.
Question I have is how does an editor sitting in an office know what is an accurate color and what isn't in what they are editing that they never saw being made with their own eyes? Is that red they are toning down already accurate and they are making it inaccurate because they think it looks better? Does the camera they use make everything 10% cooler and they are fixing just that? Or is it all "I think it looks better!" ? How do you correct a color you never saw with your own eyes and make it accurate? You can't unless it a known camera making a known change.
This is almost the monitor I've been waiting for. The part that isn't is the higher refresh rate and VRR support, along with DP 2.0 to enable that higher rate. I'm glad you mentioned those features are coming!
Linus: "Monitors for content creation should be perfectly calibrated" Also Linus: randomly adjusts the brightness on the monitor so that it "looks better"
I have a profile for every brightness setting I use in DisplayCal - depending on the amount of ambient light is in my room I can switch on the fly. But truth be told I barely notice a difference between most of them. And honestly, only when doing color grading does it really matter, when there should not be any ambient light.
I have flew in Ardenweald, suddenly out of nowhere there is a rainbow. I remember the time, when I've seen biggest improvement in particle physics - explosions and smoke, DLSS has something to do with it. Consider it, want it new or just get back to something old, like rename folder to replace it with another folder.
Pretty sure he was talking about the Asus monitor to which he’d compared the LG. But I guess Linus showing you the Amazon page of the monitor WITH the monitor’s picture on it wasn’t clear enough. Furthermore, he explains that it’s only the 31.5” monitor that’s $4000, and there is a smaller version that is a whole 1000 bucks cheaper, but oh well.
Oddly enough for once I could tell a difference and the better monitor definitely looked better, like, a lot better. Normally I can't see differences in these things.
Great video. I'm actually a Graphic Designer myself and I've been looking into upgrading my single, 1440p, 100% SRGB monitor for a 4K Adobe RGB one, and a Gaming Monitor with higher-than-normal Saturation. This way, my 4K display can showcase my design in all its glory with all available colours, and the Gaming Monitor can display something truer to what my fans'll see on Social Media. It also means that any bold colours can be adjusted to avoid oversaturation on phone screens and monitors with a really vivid colour setting. I've been thinking hard about what the perfect monitor setup for myself would be, and I think this would do it, thanks to this video's analysis. Oh, and in terms of gaming, I'll always be able to play at Native Res; with the gaming monitor (1080p or 1440p) running at high refresh, and the fancy 4K showing temperatures and resource usage. I reckon a 2060 could handle that 👍
Maybe i'm getting old but i really don't get this HDR thing. I've had a wide gamut monitor but with normal daily content the colors where way over-saturated, skintones where wrong. I'm back to sRGB untill conten tproviders all move over to HDR.
I just remember LG phones from my childhood dying within a year after they were new. Every. Single. One. Last I remember a friend had die way too quick was the G4 I think, nobody I know had an LG phone after that.
I started editing photos only on my iPad Air 4 or my iPhone 12 Pro Max because my monitor is nowhere near covering the basic color ranges. Plus with the better screen technologies on the iPad and iPhone, the colors are more accurate than a backlit monitor.
The title at the time of upload is "Do NOT Buy This For Gaming!" Lets see what the new clickbait title is in a few days (They normally change it to something a little less egregious w/in 24hrs)
1:00 printers use CMYK, not RGB. Monitors adligste to paint a picture so they use RGB, printers subtract light to make it look colorful, so they use CMYK.
why no mention or comparison against the cx 48" from lg, $1800 and supports 120hz vrr hdmi 2.1. I mean same panel maker, imagine the colors would be just as accurate no or capable to be just as accurate w/ callibration? Seems for a smaller panel w/ "pro" added on with less tech for more. Should do a follow up video comparing the two or is the cost increase due to the shrinking of the panel which somehow causes production cost to be more?
I loved that Plouffe had a mic on himself even though he was out of frame. Or that they did a voice over after on top to simulate that. It came really professional
It sounds like a commentary track.
It really just does sound better even if it sounds like post. They should do this with everyone off camera, they have the mics for it.
I kinda like when they shout from across the room. Feels more endearing
@@tannerhartl5175 trueee, it always managed to grab my attention when someone do that
Its practically a meme for small scale (aka youtube) video productions. Off side Banter, Producer comments, and/or "fake bloopers" were popularized by youtube, and would be considered either incompetent or unprofessional in any other setting. Its part of the "Manufactured Authenticity" content creators with live recordings like to leverage to give that "garage band" feel, despite the fact there are dozens of people who work on it. If anyone remembers iCarly, thats basically the projection they're trying to give.
I was never fond of it to begin with..... but once I found out why it was everywhere, it now irritates me even more. Because it means society is again falling for the same trick the music industry has been pulling for decades.
"let's go consumer"
*Grabs a 800$ monitor*
*$2000*
For the features that he was looking that's very likely the lowest price point they had on hand. Not very many 4k full HDR compliant displays below that price point even less likely for them to have them on hand.
@Savetion lmao what the heck is wrong with you that’s sad bro what the heck😒👎
@@Jay-Dee I have the Asus Predator, I only paid 750$ CAD for it.
@@fuijika still not a plebs monitor.
Plouffe enunciates so well. His speech is always so crystal clear. I'd love to see him host some LTT videos.
Agreed
He makes their microphone sound so god damn clear. It sounds like he is next to me
The problem when you do Photoshop work in a very good monitor is that 70% of your viewers are actually using old or dirty phones to look at your work.
Audio engineers use a thing nicknamed a "dirt-box", where they listen to their mix through a set of crappy speakers to make sure it still sounds okay to the average consumer. Perhaps graphic designers should try something equivalent.
@@iAmTheSquidThing And what are those engineers or designers supposed to do if they come to a conclusion that their mix or image performs badly on trash hardware? Tone down the quality of their work?
This is why you master your output towards the demographic that will consume your content.
This is why pop music sounds bad for modern/vintage hifi gear. Meanwhile audiophile music sound bad on cheap consumer gear. Pop music sounds better with an M30X and M40X while pianos and strings sound better with M50x/M70x.
Likewise for graphics, you adjust your content if your work is meant for online viewing (srgb, high brightness), for photo sharing (profiled, medium-high brightness), for print (fogra39, 60-90cd).
You can adjust for all of them to a certain point, with compromises for each so they can all sound or look great regardless how the consumer sees or hears it. This is where _reference_ gear comes to play. It allows you to be at standard or at reference to have a baseline to be as neutral and consistent as possible, then let the consumer's speaker or printer "color" the sounds/photo.
From reference, there are many tools at the engineer's/designer's disposal to adapt the reference work towards the output device so that the consumer impact is as intended by the original artist. For print and graphics, we have black point compensation (preserve detail, lose vibrance) and a variety of rendering intents (relative, perceptual, etc) not to mention multiple profiles you can simulate into and the manual curves and LUTs. The reference should also be the widest available shot or crop so you can downcrop it properly (A4, 16:9, 3:4, Cinema). For audio, there are similar tools such as filters, to say, bring a very low important bass to higher frequencies that can be represented by consumer gear such as cars at the expense of less stereoscopic effect and a tighter soundstage. But at least you can feel the bass, yeah?
Same banana for other non-sensual fields such as academics. You dont lower the standards just because most people cant understand classical/quantum physics, but editors are open to "downmix" the content so that the impact and understanding is correctly imparted to the intended student at their level that they can appreciate. As the student gains better capability to understand (and perhaps a more developed brain, akin to acquiring better lcds or speaker hardware), you have content ready and made for such demographic.
I mean most likely the high end consumers will also make the company the most money
@@vivacious7276 maybe? Supposedly some music is mastered for Apple EarPod style headphones now. What a disappointment
You can see the real advantage of OLEDs in dark lit room, the contrast is so good that once you get used to it, you can't go back to anything else
I know what you mean - I discovered this when switching to an OLED phone. Those blacks, and that absurd contrast, just can't be beat
Never used an OLED monitor before, but I would absolutely love to 💯
@I suck at being bad Thanks for that comprehensive reply 😄 Yeah, the coating that goes on a monitor makes a surprisingly large difference. I'm rocking an unremarkable Dell 2K with 99%rgb (U2719D I think it is), but the anti-glare coating is damn-near perfect
I doubt my next monitor will rock OLED - my money's better spent prioritising Adobe RGB coverage, but once they become more widespread, I'm definitely jumping on the wave 💯
With your Ultrawide, how well supported are games, websites and apps? One thing that's always stopped me from going 21:9 is that with 16:9, any and all content will view correctly - even Console Emulators. With an Ultrawide, I'm half-expecting black bars to be a regular thing 💭
Does Photoshop even need a sponsor? They're literally Google levels of ubiquitous.
They're like 2 years off of being generic like how Americans just call a tissue a kleenex
@@batt3ryac1d Or how in the UK "hoover" was made a generic term because it was frequently used as a term for any vacuum.
And a frankly surprising amount of other instances: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks
@@kichi_____________6813 only fans not what it used to be?
@@soggycatgirl German here, somen of our versions of terms like Hoover are Tempo, Zewa, Flex, Pampers and almost Lego.
@@batt3ryac1d you mean like how we call all bandages band aids even though that's just a brand name? lol
He said “don’t buy this” I’m just like I can’t afford it anyway🤣
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To the person reading this comment you are awesome & hope you having a great day
My dream is to hit 25K I hope you can help me accomplish my dreams..
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I uploaded my Face Reveal....
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Linus: "Don't buy this for gaming!"
Me: "Mate i don't even know the price yet but i'm sure i can't afford any Display you show on this channel."
Aw that’s not true man, they did a while back on a rather good $100 display
@@ryanwallace983 you're assuming op can afford the $100 monitor
They never said they couldn't but maybe they have that limitided of a budget
it's 4k
@@ryanwallace983 If you are from the US. In most other places your 100$ monitors costs us like 200 at minimum
@Savetion Lmao again, you ok mate? It seems you need attention imo.
I appreciate the mention of the Pro Display. It also has the crazy high brightness going for it and the absolutely-no-chance-of-burn-in from being mini LED instead of OLED.
yea but not oled. oled is superior
@@soberanisfam1323 ...Except its brightness is usually lower, it has burn-in and tends to wear out more quickly...
"sRGB was not a forward looking standard"
That was an understatement even when they created it, but not obvious to PC users.
Why?
@@MJ-uk6lu It was the _lowest_ common denominator.
@@trashbeansoup2467 So what's wrong with it?
@@MJ-uk6lu So you definitely are a PC user and have no idea about colour or graphics!
If you have a cheap monitor, that's all you will see, maybe not even that, but everything else it is missing most of the colour.
It wasn't hard to see that the cheaper monitor had a green tint on the image.
and the 2k monitor had a yellowish tint. linus is literally colorblind.
Yeah I though the difference was night and day as well
@@tarkitarker0815 One thing is that our monitors are also sRGB (I'm guessing) so the HDR "better" image is tonemapped by our display, if that makes any sense. That might be messing with the colors and making the cheaper monitors show other colors.
@@pranavbadrinathan6693 i dont think so, iirc all those youtube vids are made in the same color space, you cant have dynamic colorspace vids with 10% of it srgb and 5% of it dcip-3 without needing days to tinker with it. both of these monitors should look messed up when your theory would be correct. and yeah my monitor didnt get the hdr certification back then because only monitors with 600 nits+ got it, thats how old it is. still rocks tho.
@@tarkitarker0815 Hmm yeah, makes sense. Maybe it is a bit more obvious because of our monitors and because we are not there in person? Idk, or Linus might just be colorblind lol.
Linus: I'm fed up of paying for Adobe services
Also Linus: "This video was sponsored by Adobe!"
I got that reference. Hello fellow pilot
Well here Adobe pays him, after all, not the other way.
@Savetion Lmao Did you get laughing gas
Linus getting some of that subscription fee back.
anything for money ...even being disingenuous/
Linus: Can we game on it?
Me: *Of course we can, we can game on everything*
even a smart fridge :D
Fucking hell, these bots are out of control.
Your no gamer...
8k 360hz hdr on my Toaster 😎
Even in LG Refrigerator.
Linus: let’s try an actual consumer monitor that’s 600$
Me: **watching this on an old tv I found in my basement that I use as a monitor**
You could use the main tv as your monitor
The "people generally like the oversaturation: part is interesting, because the same is true for audio. Most people if they were to listen to music on flat response monitors would probably hate the sound of them, but "hifi" speakers and headphones have emphasis in several different frequencies that are found to be generally "more pleasing".
In short: Humans are weird
Great comparison. It’s exactly the same as far as ‘creating’ vs ‘consuming’ content as well. Neutral headphones/monitors are usually more for creating music rather than listening to already mastered music but aye, use what sounds good to you. lol
"People like oversaturation." Tell me about it. Everytime I see people's LSD grade oversaturated ReShade screenshots, I start puking rainbows.
Then you are just adding to the problem.
The colors Duke the colors!
Here let me ReShade your puke, it's not oversaturated enough
I love oversaturated games for one reason, life is depressing enough, I want fantasy colored rainbow puke instead of depressing brown and dark green, thanks.
I can't tell minor variations in color so I set saturation to almost max with every game so its not just dull.
I feel like this monitor would be right up Andy’s alley, especially considering how laser-focused he is on color accuracy.
I would honestly want that monitor for my gaming rig if it weren't OLED. I'm running a lower end professional artist IPS display with great color space and 5 years later it's still a game changer compared to my cheap TN panels I use as side monitors. It really helps make games feel more real compared to just oversaturating anything.
Alas I ain't paying 4k for a monitor, even just the 500 I shelled out for mine is on the upper end of what I can justify to myself.
@@RAHelllord also cheap ips panels are now a thing. Shit color accuracy but good viewing angles. I have on in my laptop and there are somethings I can see are a different color on my phone but shit on my laptop. The laptop I'm using right now retailed for like $700 new (probably), paid $500 for it and has 66% sRGB coverage. Its not good.
Does it come with platic film wrap?
Linus: can we get a consumer grade IPS monitor?
Other guy: sure, here's a $2000 asus monitor...
Cuz we all have 2000 dollars to spare during a pandemic lol
You don't need to be a millionare to buy a 2k $ monitor...
The thing is for sRGB content you don't need reaaallly expensive monitor. Generally decent IPS panel with good calibrating possibilities will be good after calibrating (although factory calibration will suck hard). I have Dell S2721DGF and yes at base monitor calibration sucked, but after calibration reviewers give it very close rating. Thing is you either need expensive monitor or... monitor and expensive calibrator for own use.
@@johanneslinnemann6660 If you can blow $2K on a monitor without any pain, then there's a lot more where that came from.
@@joesterling4299 Or just... more... why always jump to the extreme? Saying "everybody who is willing to / can spend 2k on a monitor must be a millionaire" is as unrealistic as saying "everybody watching this video is so poor they're watching it on a 40$ display".
As a Portlander (Oregon) I totally geeked out at 2:10 when they showed them editing a picture of the MAX Red Line train on the monitor.
3:35 SDR can Display more then sRGB, AdobeRGB and DCI P3 itself are NO HDR Color Spaces.
Also the ICC Profiles LG said they have created in the Colour Management PDF so not exist. Thats great Customer Support for a Product thats Nearly a year old.
Printers are usually CMYK - I don't know many (if any) RGB printers out there. Professional printing (at least back when I was in publishing) was CMYK only.
It is literary impossible to print RGB. You need conversion in there. RGB color together is white light. CYMB color together is black paper.
You're not wrong. Calibrating for that also needs a decent printer 😆
RGB printing is possible, though it does use lasers and chemical process, and the media on which it prints is limited to photo paper and duratrans
“Let’s go consumer” grabs a a monitor worth more than my PC
I feel very poor now....
Relatable, cause my pc (aka laptop) costs $200
It was 500 when I bought it
well there's no point comparing it to a much cheaper monitor
Gigabytes new M32Q and M27Q are god sends when it comes to quality IPS 1440p high refresh rate panels at a great price. It's nice to see IPS monitors finally coming down in price. Wish I waited last year before I bought a VA panel😔
These bots are going crazy
Surprised to see a OLED used for a color accurate display with the degradation and all. But not complaining that there's finally a OLED monitor outside a laptop or tv sized display.
Lg 42 oled next year
@@Gerardhutt yep, that's the important thing I took away from this.
This Oled is very accurate and with all the countermeasurements degradation will not be a problem. For professional use you have to calibrate your monitor regularly anyways.
@@geiers6013 Exactly, ALL monitors degrade over time, its just OLED if you're unlucky is much more obvious. I've seen a lot of old LCD TVs where the backlights have dulled or become horribly discoloured, its just somewhat easier to ignore than pixel burn in.
LG’s oled tech is very advanced after so many iterations, especially on tv’s
"People like oversaturation."
Hah Fortnite
@Viztiz thanks google
@@theonly7084 lmao
And v-shaped sound
GTA 5 Redux
so true, more like brightnite
6:00 Looking at the video on an LG OLED TV, either the camera's catching details Linus is missing, missing details Linus is catching, or I have no idea why he's not screaming "OLED GAMING ROCKS" to the skies. The OLED monitor is obviously far superior to the LCD/IPS, even from the camera distance.
7:15 "The difference is really not as much as you might want, though". Is the man blind? Or...does he just prefer oversaturated, over-bright images with bleed?
Everytime LTT has Shadow of the Tomb Raider on it progress a little bit more, wonder how long until LTT finishes the game just by testing equipement.
Bashurverse is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 in hell lol lmfao rip bozo 🥳🥳🤣
Same with Doom Eternal
Is that actually the name of the game that they are playing at 3:20? Considering I played it on PlayStation one/original. it's the thing that caught my eye the most in this video and I am desperately searching for the title. It's just too nice to look like tomb raider I need to have some Verification please. I might actually want to take up gaming. That is of course if I can get a graphics card?
So usually a lot of color professionals dont need WIDER ranges, they need EXACT ON POINT ranges.
As a colorist I want rec709 100% at 100nit brightness that is easy to calibrate and that keeps calibration as long as possible as calibration is kinda not cheap.
So its not a race about bigger and better, its about being accurate to the standart.
DCI P3 on a monitor is kinda a gimmick before you go into big budgets grades for theaters and still you would work with a projector aswell at least for 2-4 work days to keep it in check, as projector is still different
As for hdr current state is that there is a lot of different hdr standarts so people tend to use a lot of displays to monitor
exactly, i work the same way. I just need coverage of the sRGB and 709 for most of my work. Going beyond that is fancy but not needed and some applications look funky when doing so. The 2 times a year i am going to print something and i don´t get 100% coverage of all the colors, i can make do with "these dark greens may come out a tad more saturated" for these small print thingis.
100 nits? how do u see?
But this Oled is also meant for hdr mastering. And for what it does with this extreme precision it is dirt cheap.
Exactly. I ended up with a Viewsonic VP 2768 1440p 60 Hz panel precisely because of this. It's 100% SRGB and REC 709. It was also only $400, which is within my budget range. I couldn't quite stretch the extra cash to get the 4k version. It has modes that you can turn on to enable faster pixel refresh for gaming, so it's been a good compromise for me as someone who both needs color accuracy for actual work and likes to game.
@@stxnw dark room with dimm 6500k light
"Disney would sooner endorse genocide than any specific manufacturer's hardware." 😬
well, he aint wrong. walter was a big fan of 30´s europe.
"We'd like to thank the (PRC regional officials) for helping us make live-action Mulan..."
Not to mention communist china
Just working with China doesn't mean a company is endorsing genocide.
If that were true nearly every even semi-large and bigger western company would be guilty lmao
And who are you quoting?
Jesus! You finally and totally answered a question I have had for a long time. I have been having a challenge and couldn't figure it out. Now I know what part of it might be. I have been upgrading all the wrong things!
The difference seemed pretty huge to me
7:22 . Idk maybe it's something to do with TH-cam compression??
Can we talk about Plouffe's voice and what a great narrator's voice is.
Bashurverse is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 in hell lol lmfao rip bozo 🥳🥳🤣
Honestly, I'm so used to everyone else's audio being shouted and picked up elsewhere compared to Linus' that I found the clarity jarring. Like I'm still not 100% sure he was actually having a conversation with Linus at the time but with a proper mike or if it was post voice-over narration.
Honestly Linus through the camera in the test between the LG and the Acer the Acer had this kinda green tinge to it and the LG looked a LOT more natural but I can't judge as I haven't seen them in person
The acer looked like ass on this comparison. Not sure how they liked it better.
Yeah, to me they also looked nothing alike...
It must be really different in person, cause on camera, they weren't even close...
Pretty sure that Acer just oversaturates the heck out of green & has less wide coverage of both red & blue 😆
That looked horrible, I'll take bad
Not only that, the Acer looked washed out in comparison on blacks (which it will be), which is weird I could see that when watching on an IPS panel.
@@zs8055 It's the camera angle. When you see them up-close, when talking about moss, the colours are pretty much the same.
I saw a massive difference and that OLED screen was so beautiful
It looked a lot sharper than the Acer.
Which is odd, as you shouldn't be able to see any difference on a screen that doesn't support 100% AdobeRGB/DCIP3 (and is an OLED) to begin with. Something tells me the monitor on the right just wasn't calibrated well (or at all).
Yeah MASSIVE difference indeed. I "saw" it "instantly" on my 7 year old 100 bucks TN panel monitor at 720p. I am so hyped. I already placed an order for 12 of those monitors. One for each room of my house. Really love how that Oled looks on 720p with almost no colour accuracy, not to take into account YT's video compression algorithms. I'm sure it's much better than seeing them side by side in person. Yuge, yuge difference.
For me it was game changing. I sold my belongings to get 16 of these, and use them for 144p security camera footage
Perfect Use :)
“We aren’t supposed to game on it” “DONT buy this monitor for gaming”
"Do NOT Buy This For Gaming!"
lg : You werent supposed to in the first place!
Linus: This monitor color space is huge.
Me watching on my phone: Looks the same to me....
my oneplus phone have a sRGB mode, so it looks okay-ish
I feel like an idiot intently starting at the video looking for differences and then realizing I'm watching a youtube video about a display that has a wider color range & accuracy than is even possible on my monitor. Even if it was I'd also be relying on youtube, the rendering software and the camera not to let me down in the between stages.
don't worry I did too
does not even fucking matter 100% srgb and 72% dcip-3 will get the job done to notice differences, the camera is atleast red camera level, and linus clearly fucked up the comparison, the 2k monitor was highly yellow and the cheaper 400 usd monitor quite green. the expensive one clear, but idk how clear since my monitor only has like 75% dcip-3 anyway.
"Don't buy this"
*Looks at my wallet*
yeah no worries
*for gaming
Which game is he playing at 3:20 ?
@@adityakumarchoudhary4871 shadow of the tomb raider (i think)
Plouffe on mic was a perfect decision. Really appreciated having the clear understandable voice over that he appeared to provide.
Smooth and pleasing too 👌🏼
From 7:00 which monitor is the expensive one? By the way the comparison of the two screens, I prefer the left one because the right one has the most colors have a green tint. Lara's Shirt is blue. On the right monitor, you see Lara's Shirt to be greenish. The left monitor is LG. So I prefer the left monitor.
13:46
I love how you are still yoking at apple for the 999$ Dollar stand.
plz continue
thx
*Me, watching in a $40 dollar monitor*: Wow, this LG monitor is actually impressive. I've never seen such cheap yet so good monitor
Personal Preference, maybe?
@@ea8455 Thanks bro for letting me know :)
5:00 .*Linus staring at her ass close up talking about dark areas behind her* "This is very nice!"
Yep, I agree not only as gamer but also as man
5:45 "Nipple navigation" - Oh boy, it's getting better!
Dennis: “live, laugh, liao. You cannot afford this monitor. I have one and you don’t .“
I do this on the regular, for people who have nice gear and want to take it from hobby to pro, so color matching monitors to printers and so on. Even with the highest quality pro and field specific monitors, I have never been able to get 100% what I see on the screen to what the printer outputs. I use spectrophotometers in calibrated scenarios etc like the kind of gear that institutions buy. I can get close -real close- and technically perfect (matching known values etc), but there is still a difference that goes beyond making matches numerically or offsetting for ambience etc.. So yeah, while not wanting to call myself an expert (primarily because I dont want the liability of that), I do have 30 years experience doing it.
13:51 what ever they blurred out on the monitor is still reflected on the PC..
Probably blurred because Adobe wanted it blurred, not because they had important info on screen
What's weird is looking at it on this video, maybe it's my monitor, maybe it's the angle Brandon shot at, but Acer just looked green, where the LG looks correct so hard to say on the "may not look different" side
Some people are weirdly impartial to heavy oversaturation 🤷🏻♂️
ips has been used for color accuracy for many years, glad to see oled is geeting as good as ips in color accuracy since oled is already better than ips in many other ways.
OLED has always been better in regards to color accuracy and viewing angles. Image retention used to be an issue (and still can be). They also didn't get as bright as some IPS monitors, but those were mostly TVs anyway.
I think VA panels are better then ips in terms of color. They have darked blacks and higher contrast. But OLED is better in any way
12:28 they now certify DisplayHDR True Black 600 screens as well, since early September
I could be wrong but I think for tone-mapping to work you need a functioning CMS-system in software and hardware.
Games under Windows on a monitor that supports a color volume greater than sRGB will simply look over-saturated. Not be correctly tone-mapped. If they where correctly tone-mapped a game graded for sRGB should look the same even if the display covers the entries Rec 2020 color space or just sRGB.
More color might look better for some people but in general games in SDR should always follow the sRGB color space. HDR is a different ballgame but as mentioned I don’t think this is a solid HDR option.
A few wrong things in this video: DO NOT turn the hdr brightness to maximum in games especially not on Oleds. Also hdtv tested this monitor for professional (hdr) mastering and it is much better and more accurate. The price is actually very cheap for what it does.
Eric is correct. HDR uses the full range of brightness to display content. Meaning the brightest elements on screen will top out at the max nits of the monitor. Because of this, brighness cannot, and should not be user adjustable. This is also why some people find cinema HDR difficult to watch during the day. (And why quite a few manufacturers have a out-of-spec HDR setting that boosts the darker elements within an image to counter that problem by compressing the dynamic range.
Yup
Ugh. I came here to comment on LTT somehow conflating HDR and color space (and maybe they could do a TechQuickie... or TechSlowie as it's a LOT to cover correctly), but now I'm sidetracked by this.
Users should *absolutely* be able to adjust brightness in HDR. It's too bright? Dim it. It's too dark? Go ahead, and make it brighter. There's absolutely nothing about HDR content that should somehow disallow this, certainly not technical limitations, and anyone saying otherwise should join film directors who insist that their movies should be viewed only in the most top of the line cinemas and never ever on a phone screen. Gag.
The industry already did a primo job screwing up with the concept of non-linear brightness and making every content creator have to be 'gamma'-aware, when this should have been solely a display-side calibration thing. Please do not allow that same industry to continue to royally screw up concepts surrounding HDR content when it is absolutely the easiest thing to get right without complicating a thing like this.
@@ericdfdsfsdfsdf4788 Yes, but in games you have to set the brightnes and often the gamma yourself. Otherwise the colors are to compressed or washed out. The game engine does not know which monitor you are using and the gamma and maximum brightness could be all over the place wothout the possibility to adjust. There is hgig to do what you said, but most games do not have a good hdr implementation.
@@PanoWorks Here's the thing though: HDR is already using max brightness, always. So the dynamic range is the highest it can be, enabling the kind of pop of highlights HDR is known for. So manually adjusting brightness would just be useful to turn it down, make it less bright. And that would make the image unwatchable, as the darker elements would just all disappear into complete darkness. Which means you just can't see half of what is being displayed. This is why some TV and monitor manufacturers have an elevated HDR preset, that uses an algorithm to boost the darker scenes of an HDR image without screwing with the dynamic range too much. Of course I'm talking about real HDR here, dolby vision and HDR10+ displayed on HDR monitors with local dimming or OLEDs, not the normal kind of HDR400 or below spec TVs or monitors, where HDR is mostly just a gimmick that is similar to cranking the brightness all the way up.
I'd absolutely love for OLED displays to become more common for gaming at some point. IPS, TN and VA all have different drawbacks that are insufferable to choose between, especially when the panels themselves can vary in quality.
I know OLED isn't perfect either, and that burn-in is a big concern. But there's clearly very creative solutions to that problem. Dealing with IPS glow, TN gamma/color shift and VA smearing sucks.
Yeah yeah tell me when you are erady
VA smearing is less of an issue nowadays if you buy Samsung QLED (either TV or Oddyssey G7/G9).
Micro led
Anthony's voice sounded so clear I thought it was a commentary instead of him speaking from the back in real time
same :D
same 2.0
Sound so Smooth and Soft....
You mean at 6:13 ?
That's Plouffe.
It's not Anthony.
I've gotten into arguments about HDR content, about how the color depth doesnt make that much of a difference, especially for gaming. Contrast, sure, but you don't need HDR for an OLED or a top notch VA to be noticeably better there. An IPS could use it, but unless you game in the dark its just about tradeoff, and honestly refresh rate/pixel response and G2G response is by far and wide the most noticeable when gaming even in RPGs and 2D indie games, my go to stuff other than FPS.
Bro, I’ve had my HP25X for ages and I’m completely satisfied with it, don’t see the point going wet in ur pants when u see OLED with HDR. After all, it’s my opinion and I respect yours.
Agree. I've tried to get HDR games to work on my LG C9 OLED TV, but enabling HDR made my non-HDR games look like dogsh!t, being either too dark to see or all-washed out and grey, meanwhile the few HDR games didn't look that much better in HDR. SDR already looks stunning on my OLED.
To me HDR is still finicky, experimental early adopter technology and it's just not worth the hassle.
I disabled HDR for the Input that my PC is connected to on my TV. HDR may be "The Future", but in my experience "future tech" always means it's not ready for a good user experience yet. I'll wait til it finally made it into the present, being stable and well supported, including legacy!
Color depth, that is if you're talking about higher bit depth helps avoid the banding that would be caused by stretching an 8bit image across a large color space such as rec. 2020 and the large stretches of luminance that HDR requires to do right (some films being graded to 2000 nits in some scenes
Majushri, HDR setting in the games helps with SRGB as well (contract, as you mentioned) because it allows more correct lighting calculations in the GPU (uses bigger number types, possibly different tonemapper and what not else). I didn't even know there was a hardware HDR setting until now.
This whole video I'm thinking, "What am I going to do with myself when Linus decides to go clean shaven? It's never going to be the same again."
Just a tip one of the biggest reasons you find glossier displays look superior is for the simple fact that glossy displays allow more of the light coming through the screen to be done so unfiltered where as matte diffuses the light and degrades color, contrast and sharpness. I am surprised we do not have any real glossy monitor options today except for Apple products and I also equally as shocked that Linus doesn't even know these simple things.
Waiting for the displays (and the majority of internet content) to be able to utilise the REC.2020 gamut coverage. But considering that the majority is sRGB, it is probably quite a way off
What are the pros of that color space?
@@ryhanzfx1641 It covers the most colours of the humanly visible spectrum thus far. So it's even more accurate.
I would *hope* that something at this price would have hardware 3D LUTs, but you guys didn't mention it anywhere in the video. And isn't that pertinent to colorists and people doing final masters of content?
to be fair like if you know how to work in color you probably already have photoshop or like a 3D lut software so you could just make your own lut if you wanted to lol
7:03 just noticed the left screen stretched the image, so its blurry and loses details.
I got a question techies. Is it possible to store a game/program on a HDD and when I'm ready to use it, the SSD is what runs it. To be more clear, I wanna know if my faster SSD can run the game I want but my slower HDD just stores it.
Nicholas has a very pleasant voice, would love to hear him more in videos!
I feel like we need a video on the best cheapest monitors, would be really helpful, or if you have done one, an up to date video.
The left monitor looked way better, now I'm also watching on a 1440p oled so that might be biased.
oled monitor destroyed both monitors except on brightness with the first monitor
You know what would bebinteresting to know is why we have so less oleds on the monitor market compared to the smartphone market. I heard the tech is different but what is sobspecial about it and which tech (lcd vs oled) is more enviromentally friendly ?
OLED I believe draws less power than LCD, but OLED tech is also a lot more expensive. That's why OLED tv's are rarely less than £1000.
As for phones, I imagine it's a lot cheaper to manufacturer a 7 inch OLED compared to a 55 inch one, so that's perhaps why it's more widespread.
And the lack of OLED monitors? I have absolutely no idea why - I'd love to see more in the mid-range market.
Hey Linus! I guess you guys saw my comment. For me, this makes it even more complicated, I mean - different profile colors as well can be a huge benefit for a preset, as somebody might do a calibration of the same screen. (Ofc, this is not the way you should do it, but this creates a problem as displays still vary out of the box.)
I think that cameras today are more future advanced, which makes that issue of consumer monitors not being up to date or even true HDR.
What is even auto HDR on windows?
Me watching this on a 480p CRT: "Yes, the monitor looks great"
CRT monitors are actually one of the most accurate displays color-wise. They also are the fastest in terms of input lag. Enjoy it because those old beauties are insane! Even though the low resolution kind of sucks.
@@Vazio3 ohhh, I just knew this... Thanks for the explanation!
@@Vazio3 crt monitors are pretty okay at upscaling resolution past their "rated" as long as you don't go way out of its refresh range, crts sre very flexible and scalable. Used to run a Samtron 75v well past 1280x 1024. Vga and dvi cables can both support over 1920x1080p.
@@Vazio3 Only if it was a high-end CRT.
I've owned plenty of consumer models and they ALL sucked for black levels, causing black crush if I tried to drop the brightness low enough to get true blacks. OLED absolutely blows away any CRT I ever owned for black levels and contrast in general. I suspect even a half decent IPS would look better.
More importantly for me, I'm very sensitive to flickering so CRT even at high refresh rate bothered me, and also why I can't use black frame insertion on modern screens.
I wish I still had my Trinitron. It crapped out and it turns out that repairing a CRT is just about the hardest thing to accomplish these days, you might as well as throw it in a landfill if anything goes wrong with one.
Is it just me who could see stark difference between them? Left one looked far superior and natural
Not just you, I was genuinely getting annoyed at him for not seeing it was better.
@@fastenedcarrot9570 so you see more than he does? You're watching a compressed TH-cam video while he's looking at it in real life... Just saying
@@astral2048 linus often showed that he aint that much of a pro.
Yeah the cheap one definitely looked super green in comparison, maybe they looked different in person but the color on the left one is way better over youtube at least.
@@astral2048 That's what I was wondering. If I can see the difference, then surely Linus should too???
Linus : Talks how current monitors support the full sRGB color space.
My Laptop : 40%. Take it or leave it.
Recently bought laptop with full sRBG and it looks soooo much better
it hurts to even look at the old one.
You could always mess with your gpu color settings to try and make it look better than default color settings. Most monitor screens are not calibrated or could be calibrated more than factory settings.
@@tonyeng2663 You don't actually want to do that though, unless colour banding is a non-issue to you. It heavily impacts colour gradients on every monitor I tried that with.
I just got an Asus proart 27 inch monitor (the cheap 1440p one, not 4k) for photo editing and I'm editing my first batch of pictures as this video came on in my playlist. I am blown away compared to the laptop screen i was using before and relative to the price i paid.
Question I have is how does an editor sitting in an office know what is an accurate color and what isn't in what they are editing that they never saw being made with their own eyes? Is that red they are toning down already accurate and they are making it inaccurate because they think it looks better? Does the camera they use make everything 10% cooler and they are fixing just that? Or is it all "I think it looks better!" ?
How do you correct a color you never saw with your own eyes and make it accurate? You can't unless it a known camera making a known change.
I feel like they are diluting the improvements through the years, to sell more monitors.
so fun to see new members of LTT feels like a anime season 2 with new characters lol
"there are 2 types of monitor, consuming and creating"
My Dell 24pol: Pufff what a snowflake.
This is almost the monitor I've been waiting for. The part that isn't is the higher refresh rate and VRR support, along with DP 2.0 to enable that higher rate. I'm glad you mentioned those features are coming!
0:10 can get IG handle of the mic holder? New LTT member?
Thanks, Linus; I'll make a point of avoiding this one, primarily due to its high price.
I need a monitor that literally feels like ink on paper without costing an arm and leg
Linus: "Monitors for content creation should be perfectly calibrated"
Also Linus: randomly adjusts the brightness on the monitor so that it "looks better"
That would be content consumption wouldn’t it?
I have a profile for every brightness setting I use in DisplayCal - depending on the amount of ambient light is in my room I can switch on the fly. But truth be told I barely notice a difference between most of them. And honestly, only when doing color grading does it really matter, when there should not be any ambient light.
linus has excelled in art of how to turn a 5 minutes video into 10 minutes video but he always has a point for new/all viewers
I have flew in Ardenweald, suddenly out of nowhere there is a rainbow. I remember the time, when I've seen biggest improvement in particle physics - explosions and smoke, DLSS has something to do with it. Consider it, want it new or just get back to something old, like rename folder to replace it with another folder.
Linus: "now to be clear, this is still a monitor that's $2000"
Me: Checks links in description. $3999.99
You were saying?
Pretty sure he was talking about the Asus monitor to which he’d compared the LG. But I guess Linus showing you the Amazon page of the monitor WITH the monitor’s picture on it wasn’t clear enough. Furthermore, he explains that it’s only the 31.5” monitor that’s $4000, and there is a smaller version that is a whole 1000 bucks cheaper, but oh well.
He was talking about the other monitor he used to compare
Oddly enough for once I could tell a difference and the better monitor definitely looked better, like, a lot better. Normally I can't see differences in these things.
I love your content, I still got a laptop thats from 2007 that runs with 2 fps on roblox.
Great video. I'm actually a Graphic Designer myself and I've been looking into upgrading my single, 1440p, 100% SRGB monitor for a 4K Adobe RGB one, and a Gaming Monitor with higher-than-normal Saturation.
This way, my 4K display can showcase my design in all its glory with all available colours, and the Gaming Monitor can display something truer to what my fans'll see on Social Media.
It also means that any bold colours can be adjusted to avoid oversaturation on phone screens and monitors with a really vivid colour setting.
I've been thinking hard about what the perfect monitor setup for myself would be, and I think this would do it, thanks to this video's analysis.
Oh, and in terms of gaming, I'll always be able to play at Native Res; with the gaming monitor (1080p or 1440p) running at high refresh, and the fancy 4K showing temperatures and resource usage. I reckon a 2060 could handle that 👍
Maybe i'm getting old but i really don't get this HDR thing.
I've had a wide gamut monitor but with normal daily content the colors where way over-saturated, skintones where wrong.
I'm back to sRGB untill conten tproviders all move over to HDR.
I wish Sony and LG made a phone together! *Features + God tier display = Masterpiece.*
We allready have god tier phone displays.
I am quite sure a lot of phone display is made by LG, including Sony phones… they just don’t specifically label it that way.
I just remember LG phones from my childhood dying within a year after they were new. Every. Single. One. Last I remember a friend had die way too quick was the G4 I think, nobody I know had an LG phone after that.
"do not buy this for gaming"
*reviews a content creation monitor for gaming
That's why the title's In airquotes
I would pick realistic colours over oversaturation every day. I can't understand why people like it.
soo, when are gpu prices dropping?
I started editing photos only on my iPad Air 4 or my iPhone 12 Pro Max because my monitor is nowhere near covering the basic color ranges. Plus with the better screen technologies on the iPad and iPhone, the colors are more accurate than a backlit monitor.
That dude that talked to Linus has such a smooth voice holy shit
That's Anthony.
@@Misanthrop39 I don't think that's him tho
It's actually Plouffe
The title at the time of upload is "Do NOT Buy This For Gaming!"
Lets see what the new clickbait title is in a few days (They normally change it to something a little less egregious w/in 24hrs)
as soon as he increased the brightness on the OLED display in SRGB, it looked a thousand times better than the oversaturated cheap panel
It already looked better.
@@fastenedcarrot9570 but not a thousand times better 😉
actually, it probably did already look a thousand times better, but only in a dark room
Yeah, except by adjusting the brightness he also completely screwed the calibration
@@isl1ngt0n impossible to say how big of a difference it made
1:00 printers use CMYK, not RGB.
Monitors adligste to paint a picture so they use RGB, printers subtract light to make it look colorful, so they use CMYK.
Isn’t the point of comparison mute when this video is uploaded to TH-cam? Doesn’t TH-cam compress the video bitrate and quality?
40k for a studio monitor? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
Random verified channel
@@Sy_h wat
Sheeeeeeeesh
@@chrikke agreed
@@chrikke go outside and touch grass
While i'm here stuck with a 900p display with the colour accuracy of a potato.
@Nero Landale not everyone is american, in some places you can spell it colour
@Nero LandaleBritish spelling :p
Linus: "Don't buy this."
Me: *looks at piggy bank* We're safe buddy, we're safe. Don't worry, the pennies are still safe with you.
1:18 this "sampling" was visualized pretty bad. If it isnt, please explain
why no mention or comparison against the cx 48" from lg, $1800 and supports 120hz vrr hdmi 2.1. I mean same panel maker, imagine the colors would be just as accurate no or capable to be just as accurate w/ callibration? Seems for a smaller panel w/ "pro" added on with less tech for more. Should do a follow up video comparing the two or is the cost increase due to the shrinking of the panel which somehow causes production cost to be more?