@@somnia3423 TH-cam is recommending me dumb police road arrests all the time. Their excuse is always harmless stuff like a burnt light. Being arrested for a GPU that takes too much energy is about the same as being arrested for a burnt light to me.
@@gravitationalpull1941 Yeah, except stupid climate activists don't recognize it. Their big names don't have as much invested in it as they do in solar and wind. Nuclear is both clean and efficient.
@@Phatnaru0002 as long as you don't expose the reactor core *AND,* and, you remember the lesson from shit like the Chernobyl disaster so you don't fuk up the reactor meltdown And also know how the fuk do you dispose of depleted fuel
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Chernobyl is such an over-exaggerated incident by rival energy industries. It was due to several screw ups AND new/faulty safety protocols. That will never happen again. Just look at the reactors in Japan after getting hit with EARTHQUAKES and TSUNAMIS. Our tech and protocol now makes that a non-issue.
I'm working at a dell demo depot unit, we are not dell but we deal with basically every dell product there is in this world. When we have to deal with their support we are considered as normal consumers even though we are working for them (it's a bit dumb yeah). I can tell you, dell support is really amazing
My Corsair gs800 is bronze, and it JUST survived having water splashed into it while running. And then I tried turning it on for like a minute after that before realizing what happened 😂
Seems like the main effect of this regulation is phasing out 80 Plus Bronze and Silver PSUs in pre-builts. Which sounds good to most PC users since the PSU generally gets the shortest end of the stick in prebuilts.
@@Dhaydon75 yes, but in general Gold standard power supplies are better quality than silver/bronze, they're basically raising the bar a bit so it can meet the energy efficiency. I am going to be very interested how Gigabyte is going to handle the fall-out as I am definitely not buying any of their products for the next few years after that response (their response was basically attack Steve and some absolute BS in terms of how the product operates).
@@Masterrunescapeer phasing out the low end of a market through excessive government regulation is NOT a good thing for consumers, on this or any other planet.
@@acloserlook5823 Depends. If that low end product has such massive negative externalities that it puts this planet at risk? Then yeah it’s definitely a good thing for consumers. Can’t consume anything in a climate change driven apocalypse.
I imagine that's probably what's going to start happening. Or, they'll just start making fewer and fewer of those. I also didn't understand why they called it 80+ Titanium. Why didn't you just make that 90+?
Eventually the prices for gold and above will drop if this happens worldwide, and the extra upfront cost is meaningless as you will recoup it back fast.
Also important to mention that this largely affects passive power consumption of offices, with anywhere from dozens to hundreds of PCs idling overnight per building.
@@DemeDemetre IT runs updates/software installs and patches over night, they kick them out of idle/sleep, update, then put them back in idle/sleep, via wake on lan
@@DemeDemetre so I can wait for an hour as4 different antivirus programs to rescan everything? Nope. Can't even type emails on a quad core with ssd when the corporate bloat ware is doing it's thing.
Especially if there's air conditioning which might have to consume over 2x the power per watt to remove the heat. So for every 100W of PC you run you might have an additional 200W of power drawn. Conversely, when HEATERS are being used in colder weather it might not make much difference to the total electrical bill.
A 30 minute sleep state would kill me. I had a 10 hour upload that got killed when the PC decided it didn't need to be awake for it, so I had to restart it and turn sleep off.
@@Wizzy959 "Use" caffeine? If that isn't an app, I'll just say "I use caffeine to ease my headaches so I can fall asleep." If it is an app, it's a waste of space.
hmm had to double check their calculations... was confused by your comment apparently calcs i saw were for 2020 and before while the new are 2021 you know... what i find funny is the fact that every single way out of the regulation is basically selling a desktop/workstation without and OS will put you in compliance because it makes it completely exempt of the regulation it is literally the easiest exemption for following the law lol
@@wnxdafriz This is the second video I've seen which mentions the exemption for 600 GB/s memory bandwidth. Which seems arbitrary until you notice the 2080 Ti, 3070 Ti, 3080, 3080 Ti and 3090 all exceed that, and no current AMD card does due to the implementation of Infinity Cache. It doesn't seem like a coincidence to me. Most people who buy a prebuilt will want an OS.
It’s because it’s a moot point to the overall conversation around title 20. Most of the nvidia cards with high enough bandwidth were too new in development to be included in legislation but you can bet they eventually will be. Plus anything that falls outside of that range is such a small percent of the actual market share anyway. Based on even just steam, total Nvidia 2000 and 3000 use percentage is around something like only 5%? And to AMDs credit, isn’t NAVI technically currently sporting the more efficient architecture?
Because according to manufacturers someone, somewhere, i next 10 years or so, maybe, will have that sick idea of assembling $20k custom PC and using 12 sata HDDs because M.2 are "too expensive". Yea, let's go with that.
I stopped buying prebuilt PCs because they don't include many SATA ports. They don't tell you in available documentation before purchase either. So you get it home, open it up later and find there's SATA ports for the internal hard drive and DVD drive, that's it, no expandabilty.
some of those guidelines are basically doing the opposite and encouraging manufactures to use all those "cheats" to make systems pass... i get they are targeting things like offices that hold tons of PCs in cubicles but they should of had a performance demand VS power saving schema. (1000 low power PCs 100 watts each VS a film or game studio needing normal or high power 700 to 1500 watts PCs.)
Captain Killjoy here! They're building that baller PC to make a point that the mandate is for a specific class of PC that gets used for like 40 hours a week, then sits idle for another 128 hours doing nothing. It's basically showing that a bunch of panties are being bunched up for no real reason.
The question is more like, do we need this regulated, does it make sense, can we be protected in changes in parameter in future? Look at car euro norms, they are built in a really stupid way to kill internal combustion in a weird way, where a small city car doesn't pass it but a huge tank does, and only makes for more expensive cars (price increases in past 10, or even 5 years are really stupid). Environment? Who cares, keep buying and throwing out as much junk you can, as long as you use an expensive new SUV.
The problem is it's become a fashion/feel good thing - while also encouraging gentrification. Lets penalize someone with an old car that meets the emissions standards but has a damaged part, but a billionaire flying a private A380 / 747 jet can fly in just fine. Multi-millionaire's in yachts are also exempt. Paper often has a higher environmental impact than plastic. Cutting down trees with gasoline powered chainsaws, hauling them on diesel trucks, shredding them with electric tools, dissolving them with electrically pumped water, burning tree waste to generate that electricity, having a heavier/bulkier product to transport, and then finally releasing methane as it decomposes in a landfill has a high environmental impact. Plastic is a byproduct of existing gasoline/diesel production. Of course consumers see paper vs plastic and think "nature", but consumers don't see the big corporations releasing far more toxins that go minimally regulated.
It's not about the environment, it's about control. People become more used to micromanagement over everything in their lives, and living poorer lives as a result, so they don't notice the negative aspects of these policies.
@@aminy23 well, who else can lobby politicians if not people who has lots and lots of money, lots of rules just means more corruption and collusion, they never learn..
@@aminy23 That is so fucking true. More and more cities ban plastic bags in favor of more "eco-friendly" bags yet paper bags are 3 times worst than regular plastic bags are completely fine. Plant based bags are also worst than plastic bags because they require big farms and shit ton of water. The only better bag is your reusable, stronger plastic bag.
Regulations don't serve to help citizens, they help big business kill small business from competing. They change the language to make it sound like it's helping a problem but in reality the problem is probably created by that government anyways. Governments rarely fix problems for anyone. It's impossible for a middleman to be more efficient than a buyer and a seller agreeing on a product and a price. Cannot be done.
*EDIT: THE DISCUSSION HAS ENDED. THERE ARE OVER 40 REPLIES. PLEASE READ **_ALL_** REPLIES BEFORE RESPONDING TO **_ANY_** COMMENT.* Technically everyone's PC runs games at seconds per frame. It is simply a different unit of measurement. What you are meaning to say is "more than 1 second per frame". It's similar to people saying "positive k/d ratio" when in reality it's always positive (except when you have 0 deaths, in which case it's undefined). What they mean to say is "k/d ratio greater than 1".
yep this is all to force consumers into spending more money its silicon valley and government working against everyone else hiding under the guise of climate control
@@stucclikechucc Force consumers to spend more money… lol. Prebuilts have been shit on for years because of shitty power supplies and now that a govt is trying to solve that, people are complaining it’ll be more expensive. Yeah, it’s not very expensive to pay for the $20 power supply that comes included with your PC that may blow up down the line. Lmao.
@@RayFaye the funny part about that is the government has no right being a middle man to transactions if you dont like the product dont buy it. its funny how dumb consumers are anymore. never actually standing up for what they talk about and just keep buying shit products all the while complaining how these companies put out shit products. you know why they do it because you all BUY it! now the smart consumer gets forced into what he is ALLOWED to spend his money on and you all dont see a problem with this? you dont see how this is unconstitutional? oh how the masses have completely gone blind.
Putting the amount of energy saved right next to the slide about how much power is used by computers gives the impression that PCs are the sole source of that power savings. They're not. There are HUNDREDS of other devices that are regulated by T20, including a slew of kitchen appliances that are known for being so bad at idle power usage that they're constantly WARM.
@@danilolattaro , eventually yes. Just like cars the PC market for pre-builts have a specific retention and turnover rate. Point is to regulate now for gradual improvements in the future, up to the maximum realization of the regulation.
This is amazing simply for the fact that prebuilts will no longer be shipped with POS power supplies that will kill your system long before you even think to upgrade, but shortly after your warranty expires.
6:00 When I had to decide on a power supply for my home server I sat down and did the calculations. In the end, I concluded the step up to Platinum, from the Gold PSU that I originally wanted to get would be worth it. Granted, only after six years, but it is a model with 15 years warranty and plenty of headroom for much more power-hungry components.
@@DesertCookie Seasonic is an OEM for many(including Corsair), but often specific models only. Enermax is also an OEM, though they often use CWT designs, as well as having CWT manufacture Enermax designs. They've had a few from Yue-Lin, Fortech, and Sirtech. You'd have to lookup your specific model to see if it's Enermax or CWT. Platimax and MaxPro are Enermax, while the Platimax DF are actually CWT. Quite frankly, I don't think there's a quality difference between Enermax and Seasonic, at that level it's just the universe being random if your PSU sucks. Neither company likes shit designs, nor cutting corners on 100+ USD PSUs.
@@DesertCookie the warranty is really all you need to look at to tell its a quality unit, 15 years is fantastic so I wouldn't be stressing about who makes it
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@@Metabrotropic You are taking choice away from the consumer and the manufacturer. What happens if they don't follow the regulation? You fine them, shut them down, throw them in prison or shoot them if they refuse all the other options. You are a bad person.
The fact that Luke's old tower needed a stack post-it notes to have it sit level on the desk is a great easter egg for a long time LTT fans :-) At time stamp 7:21
2:22 I would have loved if he began "I have selected this 64GB of RAM" "I have selected this 32GB of RAM..." that's not what happened, but would have been hilarious.
Something I'm still wondering about, can you plug something like a 1000W PSU into a standard US 110/120VAC household electrical outlet (with or without running through a comparable UPS) , or would you need something similar to the type of outlet you'd plug your washer/dryer/conventional electric stove-oven into?🤔
1000W continuous loads are allowed on standard 15A circuits and outlets in the US. Note that you're unlikely to use that max amount that much, and you can look at the efficiency curve of a power supply to know which will be the most efficient for your average load.
Yes, it will totally work, you can even run a 1500 watt power supply on a standard wall plug, but if you want to run that much power on a gaming rig it might be wise to power your monitor and other devices on a different circuit if possible. Also if you need to use an extension cord to pull it off use the shortest and beefiest one you can find, the rule of thumb being that it should be al least as heavy as the 14 gauge wire in the wall.
Yes, you can pull up to 15A, which at 115V is 1725W. This is why space heaters top out at 1500W or so no matter what space they're intended to serve. Even a commonplace hair dryer on the high setting can pull well over 1000W. Microwave ovens run above 1000W too. That's no guarantee the outlets in your wall are up to the task though, particularly if you live in an older building where the spring contacts are worn out. It also means you have to start thinking about where all the other large loads are in the house, and keep them on different circuits.
Even though DIY builds are exempt, I would like to see what do I need to do should I want to comply with "budget" ( 500$, 750$, 1000$ ) builds. maybe if for the next build videos you could mention if the PC comply to the requirements?
I've seen other review channels do this exactly. I totally get why'd u want that, as I usually want an idea of the ballpark for budget and the performance at a price, even if I don't buy it helps me compare and search.
Nah, but Gigabyte said they only really fail when you test them in unintended use cases, despite the actual tests being representative real-world use. Source: Just trust us bro, it's not like we don't care about you (They didn't care about you)
@@mryellow6918 a computer doesn't need to shut off if the power draw goes low enough. how many plugs do you have?; that have a switch controlling them? That's not a thing in North America unless done by the homeowner for personal preference.
@@mryellow6918 Not true, most of the outlets in my house don’t have switches. I have over a dozen, and like two of them at most have a switch. I live in the US, and I can confirm that switches on outlets are rare, at least in my area.
Are you kidding me? All the popular tech channels residing in California leaped at the chance to defend their ridiculous state government. Keep in mind this is all while the idiot governor who is about to be recalled shuts down a nuclear power plant that is vital to California's energy interests. Have to appease those radical environmentalists who do far more harm than good.
I wonder if custom builders could get around this by "We sell you all these individual items, and before shipping connect them all together for convenience."
@@bokunorainbow58 Theres going to be noone to ship to in cali if everyone is homeless and electronics are expensive for no realistic reason. Hell in California you can just go to a store, take what you can carry and run away without any consequences.. security guys can only make photos of you, cant stop you.
@@MisoElEven even in texas mall security can't physically stop you for shoplifting, unless it's hired law enforcement also not here to talk about cali gov
@@bokunorainbow58 True.. kinda sad tho. Texas is going to change a lot in the coming years too. Anyway, have a good day or whats left of it (depending on where you live, you know what I mean xD)
the regulations hurt small fourm factor builds more then they do bigger builds as you get extra power for more sata headers more power for pcie slots ect so a tiny itx mobo with the same gpu and cpu gets alot less power that it can draw at idle
@@vampirecount3880 not smaller company's smaller fourm factor builds like itx motherboards. The regulations are actully nicer to smaller companies here as it doesn't concern them if they are just a si and put together parts you pick like cyberpower etc
I thought this was going to be a video about how software developers were becoming lazy and not optimising their code because computers were powerful enough to handle it. Enjoyed it anyway.
As a software developer, I completely agree. I don't exactly want to bring out old reliable wxWidgets, but Electron (which is what a lot of desktop applications use these days) is so bloated. It runs an entire Chrome browser just to display Discord.
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LTT should do a vid on tec for blind people. I'm genuinly curious on the kind of solutions Engineers have come up with to deal with the specific needs, there's got to be some really interesting content there
These new laws/regulations from the CEC are fairly complicated and nuanced. It's about eliminating waste it seems. Thanks for breaking this stuff down, I can't say I fully comprehended it before. If it helps move the industry in a more green direction it's a good thing.
California has always been a leader in keeping, no THE leader (in the US), for regulating the hell out of everything. Yet after all these years it still manages to retain the WORLD’S 5TH LARGEST ECONOMY. Now, the regulations they want to enact hit the good old cool-headed “gamers” community like a sack-ton of bricks, when the sack itself was filled with more like really heavy fake down and started a pillow fight. BUT THE GAMERS who can’t get a GPU or a 5950x without paying extra for exploding PSUs and scalper taxes FREAKED OUT and all the tech-drama channels fed them the fear. Bottom line: our climate is screwed, icecaps and glaciers are melting, sea levels are rising, and we’re still arguing about a factual truth. So, I think exercising a little caution in how to spend our money on resources to appease our digital pleasures isn’t not warranted.
@@LividCreature Bottom line: Our climate is simply getting back to the norms that it would have been at if not for a little thing called "The Little Ice Age" long before this. Remember: Humans have control of the ABSOLUTE LEAST POWERFUL of the warming inputs. That make up a grand total of .0001% of the warming inputs on the planet. Sorry boys: We are not the cause of climate change, the only way we can affect it? Shooting off nukes or something similar.
Let's be honest here, those PCs idle at a really high wattage. My modern gaming PC idles at 145W. My M1 Mac mini idles at around 5W and max out around 30W. (Yet still lightning fast for daily tasks) I'm not saying PCs should max out at 30W but at least be more energy efficient to idle below 30W when not running games.
Modern PCs idle much lower, problem is most enthusiasts disable power savings for overclocking. My PC is the same but I'm sure I can cut it down by half if I cared. Honestly if your computer is idling more then a few minutes then shut the thing off or hibernate it. Up to 30 seconds of waiting (from a cold boot) isn't going to ruin anyone's day.
The M1 Mac is more of a laptop system in a desktop NUC formfactor. That it sips power is welcome, but not surprising. On my gaming rig, meanwhile, I cannot activate ErP 6 power modes because if I do my memory overclock instant crashes, lol.
@@f__kyoudegenerates Will it be the governments problem in 2030 when because of pc inefficiency due to no company being held to standards, there's not being enough power to power homes and businesses? Because that's the thing, it's not the consumer's problem, you can do what you like, it's regulations for companies and the reason for that regulation is PC consumption is increasing faster than energy production.
@@f__kyoudegenerates Regulating the market is a big part of what I want my government to do. For example, it seems to me like CAFE standards has helped everybody.
@@pcis8000 It's a totally BS clickbait point. PC power usage cannot exceed the amount of power your wall outlet can safely provide. A top of the line build might use a 1000 watt or 1500 watt PSU today. While a PSU could theoretically go up to 1,800 watts - it would trip the breaker when you turn your monitor on, or flip a light switch. A Threadripper PC maxed out with 3090s will already saturate a 1500W PSU. You can try to argue that top of the line PC parts aren't relevant to the average computer - BUT the average part will always use less power than the top of the line. In the future if a top of the line desktop CPU is 100 cores. A mainstream 25-50 core CPU will use a fraction of the power. Also the more power consumption, the more heat production. The more heat - the more expensive the cooling solution. As a result companies are financially incentivized to have parts that require less cooling in mainstream PCs. While the population may grow - desktops are also becoming less popular as people use tablets, smartphones, and tablets instead which take far less power. The population growth will also be somewhat offset with the trend towards more portable devices.
Thanks for explaining things well about these new regulations. They still sound ridiculous to me but it's good to know as long as I build my own PCs for my work, I won't have to worry about these regulations.
Exactly. I don't know when giant cooling systems and 250/400W CPU/GPUs became necessary for a "powerful" gaming PC. They should focus on reducing power consumption instead of increasing it with every generation.
@Mike Edwards Yep, and that highlights the problem. Unless efficiency goes up we are stuck with ever increasing gaming PC and cooler sizes, which in turn generates more heat into your room. It all becomes more and more impractical. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see how this development bodes well for PC gaming in long term. The even bigger issue I guess is the pricing of these new components as it seems making any further improvements makes the manufacturing process increasingly complex and expensive.
@@C3lloman I was referring mostly to idle power draw and things like that, or low efficiency power supplies (the move to a 12v only PSU should help a lot there)
I recently built a sff box. 35 watt mobile i7 on a special Jetway board with a 1050ti. Probably pulls ~130 watts but is still great at 1080p/medium. Overkill for the 500W Gold psu, but I did it because.. Why not?
I feel like people are shitting on this regulation when they dont get it. The point isnt to cut out the high performance market, the point is trying to trim fat from budget to top of the range
California has nuclear reactors, all of them decommissioned because they're scary. People are so terrified of another Chernobyl happening, in spite of the fact that the only reason it happened was due to the Soviet government's mismanagement, because they don't actually look into the why, they only see the what. We would have a fully green energy grid if we replaced every coal plant with nuclear, and we'd have a much higher power output capability too.
@Marco Cubides Domínguez it's been 25 years since anyone even attempted to debloat their software. Too much money in pooping out sloppy, resource hungry code.
Sleep has never worked on my computer and within the last 3 years the system hangs on the shutdown screen and never powersdown. So I have been switching it off from the back of the pc using the switch on the power supply and leaving it off until it gets used again the next day. So my PC is never left in a low power state, I am waiting for something bad to happen because switching it off from the power supply while its running can't be good. As for fixing the hang issue on safe power down I've given up trying.
@@Tio-Nino luckily the ctr is on flex fuel and we have a tesla track car so we're okay when it comes to gas. its just when I need to smog I'm on a "modified ecu" and struggle to understand how returning it back to stock still fails. is this really about emissions?
Power usage was one of the main factors when I decided to move from PC to consoles 5-6 years ago. My gamer PC at the time consumed around 100W at idle, 200-250W gaming. PS3, PS4 consumes 80-100W while gaming, that's not a small difference. Also the PC could heat my whole room...
that's a totally valid reason, if you just want to do some casual gaming in your free time, consoles are absolutely the way to go, most people with energy draining rigs use it as their main hobby so the electricity cost isn't a concern to them, if you've got other stuff to burn money on such as cars, golf, cycling or children you're gonna have to compromise whats more important.
can't wait for the next gen gpus ! rumored to be 400-500 watts p.s. great to see finally someone recommending the correct PSU for a 2021 enthusiast PC...1000+watts, anything else is a mistake
I am not sure I understand, can someone explain it to me. How can the same people claim that there is a need to regulate consumer PCs (which are usually not running at max peak energy consumption) and in the same time push developers to choose electric options for heating, push consumers to use electric options for kitchen appliances or law mowing and push car manufacturers to focus on electric vehicles. So on the one hand they want everything to be fueled by electricity and in the same time they pass the laws and tell us how we need to preserve energy. If we are not ready for high power Alienware Pc then how can we be ready to move from petrol and gas for heating and transportation?
You're kinda missing the forests for the trees here. The point of electrifying things is to decrease environmental damage, ie. carbon emissions, since electricity is usually more efficient. (Heating homes with electric isn't being pushed that much, or at all I think) But if you want more electric things, they'll also need to be more efficient, which is necessary due to greater demands on the grid, and also more achievable. It's also possible to power electric appliances with less carbon intensive renewables whose only input is electricity.
Okay, The overall goal is to Increase efficiency and decrease waste and emissions. You can do this by: 1) Reducing Waste through Efficiency Standards. 2) Centralizing Energy Delivery and decreasing supply chain complexity. To use an analogy, you want to get fast food for lunch as food is energy, if you get for your fries from Burger King , a burger from Mc, Donald's, a drink from Dairy Queen, you are going to be spending quite a bit of gas driving around to all these places and it would be much easier and cheaper from just one place, by centralizing energy delivery we can make energy both cheaper and more efficiently. Secondly, if when you go order your burger the Mc Donald's makes 2 burgers for every burger you buy, charges you for two and just throws one of those burgers in the trash there will be a lot of wasted burgers. These regulations basically stop these companies from effectively charging you for 2 burgers and throwing one away. These regulations save YOU money. Supply will to keep pace with demand, but these regulations save the consumer money by reducing waste.
I really hope that this will the push needed to adapt 12VO standard ATX. I just don't want to hassle with 5v and 3v rail in PC. Not to mention it is also safer and user-friendly.
Be prepared for motherboard price hike. Todays hardware still need a lot of 5v rail and something will take care of that, most probable are motherboard.
@@KarrasBastomi yes, it is to be expected. But at least for me, this 12VO switch is worth it in the long run, even if there is price hike in the process.
@@KarrasBastomi The motherboard has been capable of that for years - have you looked at the voltage of your CPU and RAM lately? Not to mention all the other silicon, almost none of which actually runs at 12v.
@@phillee2814 yes for main components have their own VRM, but its different. 24 pin supplies 3.3V and 5V. All USB device need 5v. M.2 ssd also need 5v. And dont forget the sweet programmable rgb need 5v too. All of that is from 24 pin not onboard step down VRM.
@@KarrasBastomi The more significant point is that all those voltages ad more can be provided from the motherboard VRM, which would have the huge advantage of having a singe voltage PDU which could operate an internal UPS feeding the motherboard and all components for at least long enough to shut down cleanly, and potentially far more just by daisy-chaining additional batteries in parallel. Good luck getting sufficient of the lower voltages from 5 or 3.3v
Alex: *DROPS RAM*
Linus (wiping tear from eye, pride-filled smile on his face): "They grow up so fast..."
Hahaha
#LinusDropTips
That's exactly what I thought when I saw that he almost dropped the blue basket at the start lol
Always two there are, no more no less. A master & an apprentice
There goes another comment i was going to put!
Alex: "How did Dell manage to bonk it?"
The stack of warranties was too high for the bar.
Wow haha
Can we interest you in a lifetime joke warranty for this comment? Laughter guaranteed, chuckles sold seperately.
Well, you can't blame them. They're a financing company.
Top comment.
Don't worry, they have financing for that
Imagine getting raided by the police and one of them says "Ayo Check their gpu"
@@Mollygan is jok
@@Mollygan you sound fun
Isn't that how they already do it in America for road arrests?
@@foufoufun wdym?
@@somnia3423 TH-cam is recommending me dumb police road arrests all the time. Their excuse is always harmless stuff like a burnt light. Being arrested for a GPU that takes too much energy is about the same as being arrested for a burnt light to me.
"so youre buying a pc"
"yes, and a nuclear reactor for it"
damn look at that ES score xD
cleanest energy there is, nuclear.
@@gravitationalpull1941 Yeah, except stupid climate activists don't recognize it.
Their big names don't have as much invested in it as they do in solar and wind.
Nuclear is both clean and efficient.
@@Phatnaru0002 as long as you don't expose the reactor core *AND,* and, you remember the lesson from shit like the Chernobyl disaster so you don't fuk up the reactor meltdown
And also know how the fuk do you dispose of depleted fuel
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Chernobyl is such an over-exaggerated incident by rival energy industries. It was due to several screw ups AND new/faulty safety protocols. That will never happen again. Just look at the reactors in Japan after getting hit with EARTHQUAKES and TSUNAMIS. Our tech and protocol now makes that a non-issue.
Linus has taught Alex too well in the ways of dropping things, lol.
Uhhh, what?
The pupil now becomes the teacher
Dropped it on purpose for content
It's more like a disease
@@joshsmyth130 that’s what they want you to think
"This is Luke's old pc"
*Crams sticky notes under corner with broken foot*
Yeah, that checks out.
Surprised there weren't rocks somewhere
The Dell pc isnt too power hungry, california just took into account the processing power needed to comprehend their warranties
Still not enough processing power to figure out the CEC guidelines tbh
so on a global power scale we broke even lol
Ha!
I'm working at a dell demo depot unit, we are not dell but we deal with basically every dell product there is in this world. When we have to deal with their support we are considered as normal consumers even though we are working for them (it's a bit dumb yeah). I can tell you, dell support is really amazing
DO YOU WANT FINANCING WITH THAT WE OFFER FINANCING PLEASE SAY YES
(If you say no we’ll add it anyways tho and charge you too)
Me: Linus isn't here, so nothing will be dropped.
Alex:
It almost feels like he is doing it just for lulz
Linus: th-cam.com/video/aU_jWooBxzI/w-d-xo.html
The box: Fine, I'll do it myself!
"How did Dell manage to bonk it?" It's Dell. When it comes to gaming PCs, they're about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.
yes
"Don't you mean a screen door on a battleship?" - Biff Tannen
LMFAO did you make this one? that’s actually pretty creative hahah
@@paradox9265 No
cheapest PSU period, Thats how. Nothing to do with too powerful
I love how everyone just kind of pretends 80+ Silver doesn't even exist, manufacturers included.
Me crying with a 80+ bronze 😅
@@souvikkarmakar4059 why crying? Im still using a 12 year old antec eathwatts 500w bronze, in my main pc, ryzen 1600 overclocked and a rx 5600xt
it's kinda in the middle imo.
you either go budget with 80+ bronze
or pick high end with 80+ gold
its because PSU ratings is skewed theyre based on countries with 240v outputs ,usa CRAPPY pathetic useless 110Volt is less efficient
My Corsair gs800 is bronze, and it JUST survived having water splashed into it while running. And then I tried turning it on for like a minute after that before realizing what happened 😂
Seems like the main effect of this regulation is phasing out 80 Plus Bronze and Silver PSUs in pre-builts. Which sounds good to most PC users since the PSU generally gets the shortest end of the stick in prebuilts.
The problem is a 80+ Gold can still be a very bad product. Just look at the problem with 2 gigabyte PSUs
@@Dhaydon75 yes, but in general Gold standard power supplies are better quality than silver/bronze, they're basically raising the bar a bit so it can meet the energy efficiency.
I am going to be very interested how Gigabyte is going to handle the fall-out as I am definitely not buying any of their products for the next few years after that response (their response was basically attack Steve and some absolute BS in terms of how the product operates).
@@Masterrunescapeer phasing out the low end of a market through excessive government regulation is NOT a good thing for consumers, on this or any other planet.
@@acloserlook5823 Depends. If that low end product has such massive negative externalities that it puts this planet at risk? Then yeah it’s definitely a good thing for consumers. Can’t consume anything in a climate change driven apocalypse.
I literally *just* bought an 80+ bronze like a couple days ago... luckily I don't live in the states that passed it but jeez.
"80+ Gold is now the essentially the minimum"
Well then, just don't make Blank, Bronze and Silver.
I imagine that's probably what's going to start happening. Or, they'll just start making fewer and fewer of those.
I also didn't understand why they called it 80+ Titanium. Why didn't you just make that 90+?
@@imightbebiased9311 ;
80+ is a company that gives certifications. So it's probably naming conventions over logic.
Me: *cries in bronze rating*
Eventually the prices for gold and above will drop if this happens worldwide, and the extra upfront cost is meaningless as you will recoup it back fast.
Yeah mine is 80+ white and I’ve had it 5 years
“I have chosen 64 gigabytes of… OH SH!T”
I honestly expected him to say “I have chosen 32 gigabytes…” after he dropped them
lol
Also important to mention that this largely affects passive power consumption of offices, with anywhere from dozens to hundreds of PCs idling overnight per building.
@@DemeDemetre IT runs updates/software installs and patches over night, they kick them out of idle/sleep, update, then put them back in idle/sleep, via wake on lan
@@DemeDemetre so I can wait for an hour as4 different antivirus programs to rescan everything? Nope. Can't even type emails on a quad core with ssd when the corporate bloat ware is doing it's thing.
Especially if there's air conditioning which might have to consume over 2x the power per watt to remove the heat. So for every 100W of PC you run you might have an additional 200W of power drawn. Conversely, when HEATERS are being used in colder weather it might not make much difference to the total electrical bill.
@@DemeDemetre You would think it's easy to get people to do it, but ..
SOOO many people just leave their computers on 24/7 at their homes too
As Jeremy clarkson would say: POWERRRRRRRR! (For 150%msrp)
Edit: Holy crap this blew up lol
Edit 2: linus car tips anyone?
To be fair LTT is our version of top gear. Shit we can never afford and treated like it's a run around
@sazanlip Lol this made me laugh
SPEEDDDD AND POWERRRRR
easy fix.
1st step: get a hammer...
“The beauty of this nerd’s basement, was shattered by the bellow of a wild animal.”
“C L A R K S O N !”.
A 30 minute sleep state would kill me.
I had a 10 hour upload that got killed when the PC decided it didn't need to be awake for it, so I had to restart it and turn sleep off.
than use caffiene
@@Wizzy959 "Use" caffeine?
If that isn't an app, I'll just say "I use caffeine to ease my headaches so I can fall asleep."
If it is an app, it's a waste of space.
Nobody ever mentions that conveniently for Nvidia, no current generation Radeon card has enough memory bandwidth to be exempted from the regulation.
Maybe AMD need to step up their game :D
hmm had to double check their calculations... was confused by your comment
apparently calcs i saw were for 2020 and before while the new are 2021
you know... what i find funny is the fact that every single way out of the regulation is basically selling a desktop/workstation without and OS will put you in compliance because it makes it completely exempt of the regulation
it is literally the easiest exemption for following the law lol
@@godnessy Their political lobbying game?
@@wnxdafriz This is the second video I've seen which mentions the exemption for 600 GB/s memory bandwidth. Which seems arbitrary until you notice the 2080 Ti, 3070 Ti, 3080, 3080 Ti and 3090 all exceed that, and no current AMD card does due to the implementation of Infinity Cache. It doesn't seem like a coincidence to me.
Most people who buy a prebuilt will want an OS.
It’s because it’s a moot point to the overall conversation around title 20. Most of the nvidia cards with high enough bandwidth were too new in development to be included in legislation but you can bet they eventually will be. Plus anything that falls outside of that range is such a small percent of the actual market share anyway. Based on even just steam, total Nvidia 2000 and 3000 use percentage is around something like only 5%? And to AMDs credit, isn’t NAVI technically currently sporting the more efficient architecture?
7:50
Alex: **tries to open case cover**
Cover: O O I won't let you go !
Alex: Understandable, have a great day
He is still just jedi master linus' padawan afterall
"I have chosen 64GB of -OH SHIT!"
-beep-
"I have chosen 48GB of wasteful RGB lights"
"Why does the motherboard have 12 SATA ports that will never get used?"
-"because a bureaucrat said we should"
12 SATA ports yes please
Because according to manufacturers someone, somewhere, i next 10 years or so, maybe, will have that sick idea of assembling $20k custom PC and using 12 sata HDDs because M.2 are "too expensive". Yea, let's go with that.
I stopped buying prebuilt PCs because they don't include many SATA ports. They don't tell you in available documentation before purchase either. So you get it home, open it up later and find there's SATA ports for the internal hard drive and DVD drive, that's it, no expandabilty.
I have 8 and I use 8, 12 could have been used as well.
Thats why I refuse to buy parts made in california. Lib PCs
0:55
“More like Can’t-ada”
Good one
some of those guidelines are basically doing the opposite and encouraging manufactures to use all those "cheats" to make systems pass... i get they are targeting things like offices that hold tons of PCs in cubicles but they should of had a performance demand VS power saving schema. (1000 low power PCs 100 watts each VS a film or game studio needing normal or high power 700 to 1500 watts PCs.)
Alex: "Believe it or not these rgb lights dont add performance"
Me: Blasphemy!
That's like stickers adding horsepower for cars!
hi res audio stickers on headphones and Dap's...
Next he will be telling us that downloading RAM doesn’t work either. No credibility 😡
@@NerdlySquared xD
@@xxitz_pr0gxx631 haha I was literally gonna say that and you beat me to it. It’s the red brake calipers of computers
“RGB doesn’t make things go faster”
You failed me Alex. You failed me:
He lying to stop us from getting rgb so he can get the good FPS all for himself while we all have 2 fps and he gets 2000 fps
@@loading2431 agreed
It's true. Everyone knows only red paint does that.
Alex: "How did Dell managed to bonk it"
Me: " Well you see..you need to look at what computer brand are you talking about "
yeah, one laptop and 2 in one i have dont have anti overheat
LTT: "Its a PROBLEM"
*Proceeds to build a completely overkill system*
ok...
its a Problem for LMG
@@ok-sl4we ok tu casse les couilles, on est d accord avec tes flood ? :-)))
@@wince333 croissant
Captain Killjoy here! They're building that baller PC to make a point that the mandate is for a specific class of PC that gets used for like 40 hours a week, then sits idle for another 128 hours doing nothing. It's basically showing that a bunch of panties are being bunched up for no real reason.
2:23
Finally Linus gave his dropping power to Alex
The question is more like, do we need this regulated, does it make sense, can we be protected in changes in parameter in future? Look at car euro norms, they are built in a really stupid way to kill internal combustion in a weird way, where a small city car doesn't pass it but a huge tank does, and only makes for more expensive cars (price increases in past 10, or even 5 years are really stupid). Environment? Who cares, keep buying and throwing out as much junk you can, as long as you use an expensive new SUV.
The problem is it's become a fashion/feel good thing - while also encouraging gentrification.
Lets penalize someone with an old car that meets the emissions standards but has a damaged part, but a billionaire flying a private A380 / 747 jet can fly in just fine. Multi-millionaire's in yachts are also exempt.
Paper often has a higher environmental impact than plastic. Cutting down trees with gasoline powered chainsaws, hauling them on diesel trucks, shredding them with electric tools, dissolving them with electrically pumped water, burning tree waste to generate that electricity, having a heavier/bulkier product to transport, and then finally releasing methane as it decomposes in a landfill has a high environmental impact.
Plastic is a byproduct of existing gasoline/diesel production. Of course consumers see paper vs plastic and think "nature", but consumers don't see the big corporations releasing far more toxins that go minimally regulated.
It's not about the environment, it's about control. People become more used to micromanagement over everything in their lives, and living poorer lives as a result, so they don't notice the negative aspects of these policies.
@@aminy23 well, who else can lobby politicians if not people who has lots and lots of money, lots of rules just means more corruption and collusion, they never learn..
@@aminy23 That is so fucking true. More and more cities ban plastic bags in favor of more "eco-friendly" bags yet paper bags are 3 times worst than regular plastic bags are completely fine. Plant based bags are also worst than plastic bags because they require big farms and shit ton of water. The only better bag is your reusable, stronger plastic bag.
Regulations don't serve to help citizens, they help big business kill small business from competing. They change the language to make it sound like it's helping a problem but in reality the problem is probably created by that government anyways. Governments rarely fix problems for anyone. It's impossible for a middleman to be more efficient than a buyer and a seller agreeing on a product and a price. Cannot be done.
He who’s got a PC that runs Minecraft at seconds per frame:
“Well well well, look how the turntables”
Meirl
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Technically everyone's PC runs games at seconds per frame. It is simply a different unit of measurement. What you are meaning to say is "more than 1 second per frame". It's similar to people saying "positive k/d ratio" when in reality it's always positive (except when you have 0 deaths, in which case it's undefined). What they mean to say is "k/d ratio greater than 1".
Minecraft on powerpoint office
@@PeterNjeim bro learn to read a room
The turns haves tabled
They can’t take away my gaming PC if I don’t have one.
Ha nice one
oh yeah its big brain time
Lost mine in a boating accident. Tragic.
And they can't take away my gaming PC if I live in Florida.
@@RandomTechVideos Same living in Texas.
From what I understood is that they have to use higher better parts before selling a prebuilt, basically making it even cheaper to just build your own
yep this is all to force consumers into spending more money its silicon valley and government working against everyone else hiding under the guise of climate control
And it's been scientifically proven to be more fun
@@stucclikechucc Force consumers to spend more money… lol. Prebuilts have been shit on for years because of shitty power supplies and now that a govt is trying to solve that, people are complaining it’ll be more expensive. Yeah, it’s not very expensive to pay for the $20 power supply that comes included with your PC that may blow up down the line. Lmao.
@@RayFaye Yeah like, did people collectively forget about pre-builts skimping out on PSUs? lol
@@RayFaye the funny part about that is the government has no right being a middle man to transactions if you dont like the product dont buy it. its funny how dumb consumers are anymore. never actually standing up for what they talk about and just keep buying shit products all the while complaining how these companies put out shit products. you know why they do it because you all BUY it! now the smart consumer gets forced into what he is ALLOWED to spend his money on and you all dont see a problem with this? you dont see how this is unconstitutional? oh how the masses have completely gone blind.
Putting the amount of energy saved right next to the slide about how much power is used by computers gives the impression that PCs are the sole source of that power savings. They're not. There are HUNDREDS of other devices that are regulated by T20, including a slew of kitchen appliances that are known for being so bad at idle power usage that they're constantly WARM.
I was gonna comment something of the sorts. "Are they considering that EVERYBODY will change their computers on this energy saved calculation?"
@@danilolattaro , eventually yes. Just like cars the PC market for pre-builts have a specific retention and turnover rate. Point is to regulate now for gradual improvements in the future, up to the maximum realization of the regulation.
Living in California for over 16 years I can say this:
If they could/regulate or tax the air that we breathe they would do it in a heartbeat.
I can't imagine anyone except a large business having this enforced on them.
LTT:- "PCs are getting too powerful."
meanwhile:- my laptop taking off into hyperspace with its fans as it struggles to load notepad.
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@@LordYamcha sadly yes
This is amazing simply for the fact that prebuilts will no longer be shipped with POS power supplies that will kill your system long before you even think to upgrade, but shortly after your warranty expires.
4:25 “By itself, alone” 😂 I’m actually dying
6:00 When I had to decide on a power supply for my home server I sat down and did the calculations. In the end, I concluded the step up to Platinum, from the Gold PSU that I originally wanted to get would be worth it. Granted, only after six years, but it is a model with 15 years warranty and plenty of headroom for much more power-hungry components.
Seasonic?
Enermax. It may be a Seasonic though. Who dies Seasonic manufacture for?
@@DesertCookie Seasonic is an OEM for many(including Corsair), but often specific models only.
Enermax is also an OEM, though they often use CWT designs, as well as having CWT manufacture Enermax designs. They've had a few from Yue-Lin, Fortech, and Sirtech. You'd have to lookup your specific model to see if it's Enermax or CWT. Platimax and MaxPro are Enermax, while the Platimax DF are actually CWT.
Quite frankly, I don't think there's a quality difference between Enermax and Seasonic, at that level it's just the universe being random if your PSU sucks. Neither company likes shit designs, nor cutting corners on 100+ USD PSUs.
@@DesertCookie the warranty is really all you need to look at to tell its a quality unit, 15 years is fantastic so I wouldn't be stressing about who makes it
More efficient = Less waste heat = Lower power consumption = Lower energy bills
Previous video: Intel Extreme Tech Upgrade sponsored by intel
This video: Bashing on intel's latest processor for its power disaster
Me: That's LMG at its finest
@Savetion MMXXI trash, would you mind shutting up
In extremely simple terms, the only thing this regulation does is to address highly inefficient crap computers still flooding those markets.
But but but but California bad? Socialism? /s
@@SimonBauer7 Amen to that!
@@Metabrotropic You are taking choice away from the consumer and the manufacturer. What happens if they don't follow the regulation? You fine them, shut them down, throw them in prison or shoot them if they refuse all the other options. You are a bad person.
@@alexisrivera200xable LMAO ok. Leaded gas never should have been banned because it took away CHOICE from the consumer and company.
0:58 if only Linus could make a save like that instead of dropping everything
The fact that Luke's old tower needed a stack post-it notes to have it sit level on the desk is a great easter egg for a long time LTT fans :-)
At time stamp 7:21
What is the backstory for that?
“Hi welcome to Dell Electronics!” “I’m looking for a PC.” “We only sell warranty’s. Sorry.”
The plural of warranty is warranties.
2:22 I would have loved if he began "I have selected this 64GB of RAM" "I have selected this 32GB of RAM..." that's not what happened, but would have been hilarious.
Something I'm still wondering about, can you plug something like a 1000W PSU into a standard US 110/120VAC household electrical outlet (with or without running through a comparable UPS) , or would you need something similar to the type of outlet you'd plug your washer/dryer/conventional electric stove-oven into?🤔
1000W continuous loads are allowed on standard 15A circuits and outlets in the US. Note that you're unlikely to use that max amount that much, and you can look at the efficiency curve of a power supply to know which will be the most efficient for your average load.
Yes, it will totally work, you can even run a 1500 watt power supply on a standard wall plug, but if you want to run that much power on a gaming rig it might be wise to power your monitor and other devices on a different circuit if possible. Also if you need to use an extension cord to pull it off use the shortest and beefiest one you can find, the rule of thumb being that it should be al least as heavy as the 14 gauge wire in the wall.
Yes, you can pull up to 15A, which at 115V is 1725W. This is why space heaters top out at 1500W or so no matter what space they're intended to serve. Even a commonplace hair dryer on the high setting can pull well over 1000W. Microwave ovens run above 1000W too.
That's no guarantee the outlets in your wall are up to the task though, particularly if you live in an older building where the spring contacts are worn out. It also means you have to start thinking about where all the other large loads are in the house, and keep them on different circuits.
I really liked the investigation that was put behind this! props to the team and writers.
Fun fact: they don't apply if you buy and build yourself.
Just make a PC with one of Gigabyte's shoddy PSU's. It can't be inefficient if it won't turn on!
Blows the rules back to their asses
It doesn't do any work for the energy consumed to produce it. Any iota of work done at any cost is infinitely more efficient.
Can't be inefficient if it burns to the ground either lol
its not one of the ones that have issues but still go corsair or evga ect i wouldnt trust my pc to a company with a that bad issues
Even though DIY builds are exempt, I would like to see what do I need to do should I want to comply with "budget" ( 500$, 750$, 1000$ ) builds.
maybe if for the next build videos you could mention if the PC comply to the requirements?
Moving forward, they most certainly will
Why?
I've seen other review channels do this exactly. I totally get why'd u want that, as I usually want an idea of the ballpark for budget and the performance at a price, even if I don't buy it helps me compare and search.
5:20 "wildfire hazard reasons"
Strange, it doesn't look like a Gigabyte PSU....
Gigabyte isn't the only one who can build nifty home defense landmines, although theirs are probably the most expensive ones.
Nah, but Gigabyte said they only really fail when you test them in unintended use cases, despite the actual tests being representative real-world use.
Source: Just trust us bro, it's not like we don't care about you
(They didn't care about you)
Samsung Galaxy Note 7 has entered the chat.
"Hey I see you guys are playing New World!"
Gigabyte just puts a few extra stickers on it
"How did Dell manage to bonk it?"
Well... they're Dell...
ok...
7:23 Casually slides sticky notes under the PC to stabilize it😂😂
Those marvel keycaps are absolutely hurrendous to the eye xD
9:35 "that's a whole different ball of worms." I love this combination of "can or worms" and "ball of wax"
Or a combination of can of worms and "whole different ballgame"
It seems that you are unfamiliar with the Zombie dance scene, as I have seen many Zombies attend the Ball of Worms.
...granted, I've only noticed slow dancing so far, but they're moving...
Sad that you didn't show the actual idle power consumption of the systems
sad how this is a thing because Americans cant press the off switch on a plug socket
@@mryellow6918 this isn't just an American problem, it's a global one.
@@mryellow6918 a computer doesn't need to shut off if the power draw goes low enough. how many plugs do you have?; that have a switch controlling them? That's not a thing in North America unless done by the homeowner for personal preference.
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 every socket has a switch
@@mryellow6918 Not true, most of the outlets in my house don’t have switches. I have over a dozen, and like two of them at most have a switch. I live in the US, and I can confirm that switches on outlets are rare, at least in my area.
"For this build, I've chosen 64 gigabytes of--"
LOUD CRASHES
"For this build, I've chosen 48 gigabytes.."
As he says "oh, they apply in B.C too" everyone in Alberta started feeling real smug.
Well BC is kinda like Canada's California and Alberta is like Texas.
Alberta gang represent!
nice to see a no BS breakdown of this topic
Are you kidding me? All the popular tech channels residing in California leaped at the chance to defend their ridiculous state government. Keep in mind this is all while the idiot governor who is about to be recalled shuts down a nuclear power plant that is vital to California's energy interests. Have to appease those radical environmentalists who do far more harm than good.
I wonder if custom builders could get around this by
"We sell you all these individual items, and before shipping connect them all together for convenience."
Or by just moving out of an overly authoritarian state like California..
@@MisoElEven they still have to ship to cali
@@bokunorainbow58 Theres going to be noone to ship to in cali if everyone is homeless and electronics are expensive for no realistic reason. Hell in California you can just go to a store, take what you can carry and run away without any consequences.. security guys can only make photos of you, cant stop you.
@@MisoElEven even in texas mall security can't physically stop you for shoplifting, unless it's hired law enforcement
also not here to talk about cali gov
@@bokunorainbow58 True.. kinda sad tho. Texas is going to change a lot in the coming years too. Anyway, have a good day or whats left of it (depending on where you live, you know what I mean xD)
the regulations hurt small fourm factor builds more then they do bigger builds as you get extra power for more sata headers more power for pcie slots ect so a tiny itx mobo with the same gpu and cpu gets alot less power that it can draw at idle
As always, regulations always hurt the smaller companys.
@@vampirecount3880 not smaller company's smaller fourm factor builds like itx motherboards. The regulations are actully nicer to smaller companies here as it doesn't concern them if they are just a si and put together parts you pick like cyberpower etc
I knew that even Linus' employees became a drop expert
Meanwhile, We just hit a Fusion world record, producing 70% of the power that was put into it!
I just wish we could install more fission in the meantime
You can do much more, except it blows everything away in a huge radius :)
Colin hiding like a creeper with the megaphone cracked me up.
I thought this was going to be a video about how software developers were becoming lazy and not optimising their code because computers were powerful enough to handle it.
Enjoyed it anyway.
I thought it'd be more like:
Your 200 watt cpu is wasting lots of power watching a stupid video.
Where are the 35 watt apus?
Programmers doing no optimisation and letting the chips pick up the tab is the bane of our time, leading to overpowered PCs and 6MB websites.
As a software developer, I completely agree. I don't exactly want to bring out old reliable wxWidgets, but Electron (which is what a lot of desktop applications use these days) is so bloated. It runs an entire Chrome browser just to display Discord.
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work and dedication. Motivated by my interest in the computer field, together with my friends I created a project called Blind Center, our goal is to bring information and show how blind people use TH-cam and other digital platforms!
Hope you like it! As we speak the Portuguese language, you can use TH-cam subtitles to understand the content of the videos.
hold up, how do you read youtube subtitles if you are blind
LTT should do a vid on tec for blind people. I'm genuinly curious on the kind of solutions Engineers have come up with to deal with the specific needs, there's got to be some really interesting content there
These new laws/regulations from the CEC are fairly complicated and nuanced. It's about eliminating waste it seems. Thanks for breaking this stuff down, I can't say I fully comprehended it before. If it helps move the industry in a more green direction it's a good thing.
Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor probably doesn't like these new regulations " Needs more power, hoh hoh hoh". :)
Still will only be a drop in the water compared to the fact that 100 companies are responsible for more they 50% of the world's global emissions.
California has always been a leader in keeping, no THE leader (in the US), for regulating the hell out of everything. Yet after all these years it still manages to retain the WORLD’S 5TH LARGEST ECONOMY.
Now, the regulations they want to enact hit the good old cool-headed “gamers” community like a sack-ton of bricks, when the sack itself was filled with more like really heavy fake down and started a pillow fight. BUT THE GAMERS who can’t get a GPU or a 5950x without paying extra for exploding PSUs and scalper taxes FREAKED OUT and all the tech-drama channels fed them the fear.
Bottom line: our climate is screwed, icecaps and glaciers are melting, sea levels are rising, and we’re still arguing about a factual truth. So, I think exercising a little caution in how to spend our money on resources to appease our digital pleasures isn’t not warranted.
@@LividCreature Bottom line: Our climate is simply getting back to the norms that it would have been at if not for a little thing called "The Little Ice Age" long before this.
Remember: Humans have control of the ABSOLUTE LEAST POWERFUL of the warming inputs. That make up a grand total of .0001% of the warming inputs on the planet.
Sorry boys: We are not the cause of climate change, the only way we can affect it? Shooting off nukes or something similar.
@@tim3172 Yeah, just wild speculation. When you need to bring up "the ice age", your argument falls flat.
Let's be honest here, those PCs idle at a really high wattage.
My modern gaming PC idles at 145W.
My M1 Mac mini idles at around 5W and max out around 30W. (Yet still lightning fast for daily tasks)
I'm not saying PCs should max out at 30W but at least be more energy efficient to idle below 30W when not running games.
not being able to run libreoffice in mac makes it a hard pass for me
Modern PCs idle much lower, problem is most enthusiasts disable power savings for overclocking. My PC is the same but I'm sure I can cut it down by half if I cared.
Honestly if your computer is idling more then a few minutes then shut the thing off or hibernate it. Up to 30 seconds of waiting (from a cold boot) isn't going to ruin anyone's day.
@@ubuynow im able to do it just fine...?
The M1 Mac is more of a laptop system in a desktop NUC formfactor. That it sips power is welcome, but not surprising.
On my gaming rig, meanwhile, I cannot activate ErP 6 power modes because if I do my memory overclock instant crashes, lol.
This is what a lot of people aren't getting, it's not power draw that's breaking the compliance, its the usage efficiency.
It's none of the governments business that's the problem.
@@f__kyoudegenerates Will it be the governments problem in 2030 when because of pc inefficiency due to no company being held to standards, there's not being enough power to power homes and businesses?
Because that's the thing, it's not the consumer's problem, you can do what you like, it's regulations for companies and the reason for that regulation is PC consumption is increasing faster than energy production.
@@f__kyoudegenerates Regulating the market is a big part of what I want my government to do. For example, it seems to me like CAFE standards has helped everybody.
@@pcis8000 It's a totally BS clickbait point. PC power usage cannot exceed the amount of power your wall outlet can safely provide.
A top of the line build might use a 1000 watt or 1500 watt PSU today. While a PSU could theoretically go up to 1,800 watts - it would trip the breaker when you turn your monitor on, or flip a light switch.
A Threadripper PC maxed out with 3090s will already saturate a 1500W PSU.
You can try to argue that top of the line PC parts aren't relevant to the average computer - BUT the average part will always use less power than the top of the line.
In the future if a top of the line desktop CPU is 100 cores. A mainstream 25-50 core CPU will use a fraction of the power.
Also the more power consumption, the more heat production. The more heat - the more expensive the cooling solution. As a result companies are financially incentivized to have parts that require less cooling in mainstream PCs.
While the population may grow - desktops are also becoming less popular as people use tablets, smartphones, and tablets instead which take far less power. The population growth will also be somewhat offset with the trend towards more portable devices.
@@pcis8000 then drop the regulations on powerplants, California only has this problem because they heavily regulate the plants in their state.
me who has a laptop with only 2 cores:
"well well well, look how the turntables"
hehehe
"That's a whole different ball of worms"
That's...that's an odd image to have in my mind. Thanks?
ok...
@@ok-sl4we ok
Alex drops RAM.
Linus: I am so proud of you man.
Alex learned the technique of dropping things from his master.
I rather never play another game in my life than having a pre-built made by Dell.
I have a dell prebuilt, but its an optiplex so its good
I love how LTT can pump out an awesome video with almost anyone from the staff. Good job Alex 👊
Thanks for explaining things well about these new regulations. They still sound ridiculous to me but it's good to know as long as I build my own PCs for my work, I won't have to worry about these regulations.
They are not too powerful, they are just too inefficient !
Exactly. I don't know when giant cooling systems and 250/400W CPU/GPUs became necessary for a "powerful" gaming PC. They should focus on reducing power consumption instead of increasing it with every generation.
@Mike Edwards Yep, and that highlights the problem. Unless efficiency goes up we are stuck with ever increasing gaming PC and cooler sizes, which in turn generates more heat into your room. It all becomes more and more impractical. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see how this development bodes well for PC gaming in long term. The even bigger issue I guess is the pricing of these new components as it seems making any further improvements makes the manufacturing process increasingly complex and expensive.
@@C3lloman I was referring mostly to idle power draw and things like that, or low efficiency power supplies (the move to a 12v only PSU should help a lot there)
"PCs are too powerful"
Cyberpunk maxed with RT at 8K: Am I a joke to you?
Cyber punk??? I think Cyberpuke
@@t-rexffind4302 Play it on PC, peasant.
I'm kind of surprised that we still haven't seen a case with a built-in R134A system or something. I'll keep praying!
It may not be R134a, but it seems like this is what you're looking for: th-cam.com/video/4d0B0Dli-1g/w-d-xo.html
@@Viral-Mage ah, you're right. I forgot about that video. It's the LD Cooling PC-V10 Phase Change case. Only costs €450... Only...
0:57 "well, let's get down to business, and figure out who's today's sponsor. GLASSWIRE!" could have been so much better sponsor transition.
I just friggin' love how awkward are the outros of Alexander. I'm a fan.
What did he say at the end? It's horribly inefficient, its?????
@@fghfsderts Yeah, but the last bye! was when I chuckle ldfkjldf
I am today more interested in gaming PC with the lowest power consumption. You should do a video about it 👍
I recently built a sff box. 35 watt mobile i7 on a special Jetway board with a 1050ti. Probably pulls ~130 watts but is still great at 1080p/medium. Overkill for the 500W Gold psu, but I did it because.. Why not?
Alex videos have such a chilled out, happy vibe to them man.
Question: if you had bought a PC/Laptop before the regulation and move to the state, would you be fined or something?
No, you can own the products, the big manufacturers just aren't supposed to be making them anymore. You're good!
I feel like people are shitting on this regulation when they dont get it. The point isnt to cut out the high performance market, the point is trying to trim fat from budget to top of the range
Bro, if you need mommy to tell you what to do that's your business. The STATE has no authority to determine what "fat" should be "trimmed".
Wouldn’t have this issue if we just started using nuclear reactors tons of power low risk
California has nuclear reactors, all of them decommissioned because they're scary. People are so terrified of another Chernobyl happening, in spite of the fact that the only reason it happened was due to the Soviet government's mismanagement, because they don't actually look into the why, they only see the what. We would have a fully green energy grid if we replaced every coal plant with nuclear, and we'd have a much higher power output capability too.
@@edgarpeddy6736 We need to privatize energy completely.
@@f__kyoudegenerates Lol, do you want everywhere to be like Texas where the power grid casually crumbles when it gets a bit too hot or too cold
Be a lot cooler if more focus was put on software optimization to make existing hardware 10x better.
@RubiiX And he Steam Deck too!
Wait, why would you buy new hardware then? This is not how the world works.
@Marco Cubides Domínguez it's been 25 years since anyone even attempted to debloat their software. Too much money in pooping out sloppy, resource hungry code.
What if battery management solutions are built into the system? Would this mitigate the power usage/consumption?
New Linus, dropping RAM's like a pro.
Title: pc's are too powerful
My with 10 years old pc: really ?
same man :'(
What’s really ironic is that Dell is ON the advisory board that helped write the regulations. They just had their head up their ass… as usual.
Sleep has never worked on my computer and within the last 3 years the system hangs on the shutdown screen and never powersdown. So I have been switching it off from the back of the pc using the switch on the power supply and leaving it off until it gets used again the next day. So my PC is never left in a low power state, I am waiting for something bad to happen because switching it off from the power supply while its running can't be good. As for fixing the hang issue on safe power down I've given up trying.
This video in a nutshell: "no problem, not for you, not for your friends, not for anyone other than these big companies" and segways to sponsors.
If you live in said democrat shitholes then ditch the computer and arm up regardless of the shit tier draconian laws.
@@DudeSoWin nothing says good marketing for your political agenda like telling a bunch of tech nerds to ditch their computers.
@@stonium69 rifles now come with aim assist, can even run Linux.
If only the automobile regulations were as nice and thought through in California
not gonna happen, auto lobbyist will guarrantee it never happens
Good luck paying $9 dollars a gallon. Some people are just barely surviving on a budget.
@@Tio-Nino you miss the point, it's about government banning inefficient engines
@@Tio-Nino luckily the ctr is on flex fuel and we have a tesla track car so we're okay when it comes to gas. its just when I need to smog I'm on a "modified ecu" and struggle to understand how returning it back to stock still fails. is this really about emissions?
@@fltfathin they really want us to go EV haha
Been PC since 1994, and my recently purchased first Alienware laptop was the worst computing investment I have ever made.
Why would anyone buy a gaming laptop?
@@preussianblau5595 to game on the road...
@@jimdiroffii get a switch.
Power usage was one of the main factors when I decided to move from PC to consoles 5-6 years ago. My gamer PC at the time consumed around 100W at idle, 200-250W gaming. PS3, PS4 consumes 80-100W while gaming, that's not a small difference. Also the PC could heat my whole room...
that's a totally valid reason, if you just want to do some casual gaming in your free time, consoles are absolutely the way to go, most people with energy draining rigs use it as their main hobby so the electricity cost isn't a concern to them, if you've got other stuff to burn money on such as cars, golf, cycling or children you're gonna have to compromise whats more important.
can't wait for the next gen gpus ! rumored to be 400-500 watts p.s. great to see finally someone recommending the correct PSU for a 2021 enthusiast PC...1000+watts, anything else is a mistake
Nice 4g63 valve cover photo in your pic, breh
1000+ watts? You're running a 3090 OC and an 11900K overclocked to 5.3 GHz?
Anything below that and an 850W gold is totally fine.
Nothing like Linus and crew droppin' dem tips tho~
I am not sure I understand, can someone explain it to me.
How can the same people claim that there is a need to regulate consumer PCs (which are usually not running at max peak energy consumption) and in the same time push developers to choose electric options for heating, push consumers to use electric options for kitchen appliances or law mowing and push car manufacturers to focus on electric vehicles.
So on the one hand they want everything to be fueled by electricity and in the same time they pass the laws and tell us how we need to preserve energy.
If we are not ready for high power Alienware Pc then how can we be ready to move from petrol and gas for heating and transportation?
This law literally tries to deal with that by improving appliance efficiency and freeing up more electricity tho.
California is enforcing these power rules.
Older stuff usually consumers more idle power than modern stuff.
Where are most tech companies situated?..
You're kinda missing the forests for the trees here. The point of electrifying things is to decrease environmental damage, ie. carbon emissions, since electricity is usually more efficient. (Heating homes with electric isn't being pushed that much, or at all I think) But if you want more electric things, they'll also need to be more efficient, which is necessary due to greater demands on the grid, and also more achievable. It's also possible to power electric appliances with less carbon intensive renewables whose only input is electricity.
Okay,
The overall goal is to Increase efficiency and decrease waste and emissions.
You can do this by:
1) Reducing Waste through Efficiency Standards.
2) Centralizing Energy Delivery and decreasing supply chain complexity.
To use an analogy, you want to get fast food for lunch as food is energy, if you get for your fries from Burger King , a burger from Mc, Donald's, a drink from Dairy Queen, you are going to be spending quite a bit of gas driving around to all these places and it would be much easier and cheaper from just one place, by centralizing energy delivery we can make energy both cheaper and more efficiently. Secondly, if when you go order your burger the Mc Donald's makes 2 burgers for every burger you buy, charges you for two and just throws one of those burgers in the trash there will be a lot of wasted burgers. These regulations basically stop these companies from effectively charging you for 2 burgers and throwing one away. These regulations save YOU money.
Supply will to keep pace with demand, but these regulations save the consumer money by reducing waste.
@@challengergaming8774 well said!
Does this have any bearing when it comes to Class-A HiFi speakers amplifiers? By definition they draw 100% of their available output at idle
Dont worry, I'm sure the government thought of everything considering how competent and intelligent they are.
Thanks for explaining this to me! I was genuinely worried about these laws and this helped put my mind at ease.
I really hope that this will the push needed to adapt 12VO standard ATX. I just don't want to hassle with 5v and 3v rail in PC.
Not to mention it is also safer and user-friendly.
Be prepared for motherboard price hike. Todays hardware still need a lot of 5v rail and something will take care of that, most probable are motherboard.
@@KarrasBastomi yes, it is to be expected.
But at least for me, this 12VO switch is worth it in the long run, even if there is price hike in the process.
@@KarrasBastomi The motherboard has been capable of that for years - have you looked at the voltage of your CPU and RAM lately? Not to mention all the other silicon, almost none of which actually runs at 12v.
@@phillee2814 yes for main components have their own VRM, but its different. 24 pin supplies 3.3V and 5V. All USB device need 5v. M.2 ssd also need 5v. And dont forget the sweet programmable rgb need 5v too. All of that is from 24 pin not onboard step down VRM.
@@KarrasBastomi The more significant point is that all those voltages ad more can be provided from the motherboard VRM, which would have the huge advantage of having a singe voltage PDU which could operate an internal UPS feeding the motherboard and all components for at least long enough to shut down cleanly, and potentially far more just by daisy-chaining additional batteries in parallel. Good luck getting sufficient of the lower voltages from 5 or 3.3v